UFC 142 Results: Wallid Ismail Reacts To Erick Silva DQ
by Matthew Roth on Jan 15, 2012 3:00 PM EST
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Following the incredibly odd disqualification loss portaldovtTV caught up with Erick Silva's manager and MMA legend Wallid Ismail to get his thoughts on Mario Yamasaki's stoppage. Initially it was believed that Yamasaki stopped the fight awarding the win to Silva by TKO. When the official ruling was read by Bruce Buffer it was outrageous that Yamasaki would disqualify a fighter after a single shot to the back of the head without ever issuing a warning. While fans were able to see Rogan's reaction, they weren't privy to Ismail's.
Orcus provides the translation:
This referee Mario Yamasaki, he's a clown. He never was somebody and never will be somebody. You have to understand that you are a nobody, Mario Yamasaki, you don't exist.
Silva is considered one of the best young fighters at welterweight and a DQ loss won't kill his potential. Word out of Rio is that the UFC gave Erick Silva his win bonus as a sign of "we thought you won too" which is a nice consolation. Hopefully this fight will be addressed more in the upcoming days.
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Yeah Mario fucked up, but he always seemed like a decent ref to me.
And Ismail sounds like an asshole
I agree
I focused my column this morning on how I hated that ruling, so I’m certainly not going to say Yamasaki did a great job, but the personal attacks on him need to stop. The “back of the head” rule is ill-defined, and referees are put in a terrible position when a fight ends the way that fight ended. The proper response to Silva’s DQ is to have a rational discussion about how rules and refereeing can be improved, not to unleash a bunch of vitriol at Yamasaki personally.
by MichaelDavidSmith on Jan 15, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just think he is very passionate about his fighter. I respect people who don’t hold any punches. Maybe it’s just because I’m a dick
Give me someone being blunt over someone tripping over their words trying to be nice any day of the week.
It's like saying you dislike Don Frye's mustache, which itself is the equivalent of spitting on the Constitution. - Anthony Pace
Mario IS a terrible referee, who always stands fights up to quickly.
Wallid is way over the line here though.
I would cut him some slack
His fighter just got a victory, one he trained months for, stolen from him by an shitty call. If it wasn’t for the fact that the UFC execs were reasonable in these situations, Silva would have lost out on half his pay over this situation.
Mario should have asked to look at a replay of footage like Mazagatti did when Jon Jones fought Hamill before calling it a DQ. Mistakes like these can be very bad for a manger’s clients, since lots of money could be potentially lost over them.
by amendamatrix on Jan 15, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Mario should have asked to look at a replay of footage like Mazagatti did when Jon Jones fought Hamill before calling it a DQ.
Are you sure that happened?
From the way I remember it, Maz asked Hamill if he could continue, to which Hamill replied No…but Maz assumed it was due to the illegal blows and not the broken shoulder from the Jones through earlier in the fight…which, if memory serves was the real reason that Hamill couldn’t continue.
Jones should have had a point deducted, but then awarded the win because the other fighter couldn’t continue. Maz kind of fucked it up, even if he did check the tape.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
I'm pretty sure Mazzagatti used IR to make sure Jones used illegal elbows that prompted him to stop the fight.
According to mmajunkie
At The Ultimate Fighter 10 Finale on Dec. 5, Jones controlled Hamill, dislocated his shoulder on a takedown, battered him with ground and pound, but suffered the first-round DQ loss when instant replay showed Jones had connected on illegal downward elbow strikes.
by amendamatrix on Jan 15, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
As MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) first reported on fight night, the Nevada State Athletic Commission and referee Steve Mazzagatti used instant replay for the first time and determined the illegal elbow strikes – which came after a prolonged ground-and-pound assault – contributed to Hamill’s inability to continue. By rule, the fight was ruled a disqualification because the blows weren’t considered inadvertent.
by amendamatrix on Jan 15, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Man, Wallid is awesome.
He is just really intense. Also, he is extremely intense…
…Did I mention he is one intense dude?
Man, MMA would be alot more boring of a place without Wallid.
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Some people don´t like the saxophone, but if you can´t rock to the Jungleland solo, you are dead inside!
Also, Yamasaki is not a good ref. He have a history of strange calls (remember Trigg – Hughes 2 anyone?) and horrible stand ups.
"I´ve seen the future of the whole fucking thing and it´s Big Man Clarence Clemons!"
- Bruce Springsteen
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What a fool
You were already the victim. Now you just look like an asshole.
You don’t know Wallid well do you?
-AboveThisFire
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall
I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? -Areyouforreal
by Patrick Tenney on Jan 15, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Wallid does not give a fuck what you think of him
One of the charms of Wallid, if you ask me.
It's like saying you dislike Don Frye's mustache, which itself is the equivalent of spitting on the Constitution. - Anthony Pace
Which is just... classic him.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jan 15, 2012 3:09 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
You win, Archer falls into one of those instant rec categories, like Game of Thrones.
-AboveThisFire
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall
I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? -Areyouforreal
by Patrick Tenney on Jan 15, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Bit of an overreaction by Wallid
But then Im talking about Wallid….
by Ricardo Arguello on Jan 15, 2012 3:11 PM EST reply actions
Seriously
this is about as calm as Wallid could be about it.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jan 15, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Wallid Ismail being Wallid Ismail ...
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My issue is that the refereeing in MMA is horribly inconsistent
What is back of the head? Is it the mohawk or headphones theory? Could you stop the fight like an illegal knee, breaking the fighters and giving a warning or point deduction? Or do you stop the fight and give the other guy the victory? You just don’t know. Each Ref is has his own subjective opinion. I mean almost every fight you could argue that one guy got hit in the back of the head. This will definitely become a more severe issue now that guys are getting DQ’d for the same thing other fighters are praised for. (Pouncing on a guy and throwing flurries)
by Scribonius Curio on Jan 15, 2012 3:17 PM EST reply actions
I assume the rule is supposed to protect the top of the spine by the bottom of the neck. If that’s the case, I think the mohawk theory makes the most sense.
by discoandherpes on Jan 15, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
question
understandably there was only one solid shot that landed flush to the back of the head…but since that shot contributed significantly to the stoppage, i follow the logic of the DQ – not that i agree with the decision at all.
for example, the reason jon jones was DQ’d for illegal elbows to matt hamill was ridiculous…considering hamill told the ref he could not continue, and then later elaborated that the reason was due to a shoulder injury that occurred during the takedown…. So hamill’s ability to continue was due to something completely unrelated to jones’ foul. to me that’s ridiculous.
the illegal blow silva landed last night had a more significant role in the stoppage. so, ridiculous? more like unfortunate/frustrating
after those elbows from jones...
Hammil was in lala land. Regardless if his shoulder was insured or not, I still don’t believe Hammil would’ve continued.
Medium-rare, just how I like it.
by Sonnenmeister on Jan 15, 2012 5:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rogan's not the ref, Yamasaki is
The knee hurt the guy, and those Lesnar machine gun punches coming in packs of 8 per second makes it hard to do much, but go, “ok, wtf.” Its that flush punch to the COMPLETE back of the head that dirt-napped the guy and is the one Mario took a stand on
WAY TO GO MARIO! MADE THE RIGHT CALL! IM MAKING A LOVE SIGN AT YOU BRO
by MostDiabolicalCasanova on Jan 15, 2012 3:25 PM EST reply actions
Its that flush punch to the COMPLETE back of the head that dirt-napped the guy
No it’s not. On top of that Mario was running in to stop the fight before that punch landed.
The real culprit is the whole headphones/mohawk argument.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jan 15, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
That still doesn't make it ok to DQ Silva.
Those strikes were inadvertent since Prater turned his head into that position while Silva was in mid-swing. If you look at the replay of the stoppage, you can only count 1-2 accidentally strikes at best before Silva continued with more legal strikes.
by amendamatrix on Jan 15, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
He should have stopped it right there and taken a point. Don’t wait until after the fact to retroactively disqualify him.
Yamasaki is a joke. A FOOKIN JOKE!
by discoandherpes on Jan 15, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
More people know mario than wallid
wallid is the legend
but to non hardcores hes the nobody
poor dq
but mario admitted he was wrong so wallid should at least take that into account
but wallid gonna wallid
Wallids a legend because of his personality
…and what may or may not have happened on the beach with Ryan Gracie. Thats about it
by MostDiabolicalCasanova on Jan 15, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
So the whole “being an amazing jiu jitsu competitor” thing doesn’t factor in?
-AboveThisFire
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall
I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? -Areyouforreal
by Patrick Tenney on Jan 15, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Musta missed when he choked out Royce
by Matthew Roth on Jan 15, 2012 3:41 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
thats part of his personality
where he made royce pee pee himself
I am willing to test myself against the toughest fighters in the world, in front of hundreds of thousands or even millions of fans, over and over again. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose, but I always come to fight. I've been doing this for the past fourteen years, and I have at least a few more strong years left in me. What have you done in the past fourteen years other than act like a moron on this forum and hang on Anderson's nuts? - Dan Henderson.
I think Wallid is way more known tbh, he’s the owner of Jungle Fight, the biggest promotion in South America and has way more contacts inside the industry than Mario could ever dream of.
I call you, I talk to me - Anderson Silva
by Orcus on Jan 15, 2012 4:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Run Yamasaki... run and never look back.
-AboveThisFire
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall
I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? -Areyouforreal
by Patrick Tenney on Jan 15, 2012 3:26 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
I’m OK with Mario’s call: that wasn’t absolutely necessary, but it’s still better than the laziness we’ve witnessed lately about shots to the back of the head, especially when they result in TKOs.
(And I’m not sure what Yamasaki being a nobody has to do with anything.)
"Honour is like virginity, it can only be used once." - G. Clemenceau
I agree too
but I think it should be a no contest, and not a DQ. I feel the same about bones “loss” to hamill
Now I've switched signature to this one.
by the guy with the big nose on Jan 15, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Bones got screwed, in my opinion.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
How?
Jones intentionally threw illegal elbows. There was nothing accidental about it.
by discoandherpes on Jan 15, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
the fight should have been stopped way before the elbows even came into bones’s mind
Now I've switched signature to this one.
by the guy with the big nose on Jan 16, 2012 6:16 AM EST up reply actions
alright
bad call, it sucks to be a ref, you get shat on constantly.
I disagree with what Rogan was doing, questioning the stoppage like that, put the ref in a really bad position, hope the guy arrives home safely.
I am willing to test myself against the toughest fighters in the world, in front of hundreds of thousands or even millions of fans, over and over again. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose, but I always come to fight. I've been doing this for the past fourteen years, and I have at least a few more strong years left in me. What have you done in the past fourteen years other than act like a moron on this forum and hang on Anderson's nuts? - Dan Henderson.
love that rogan called him out on it
But where where you when someone needed to ask dan why he was standing up fights too quick.
Ive been a huge Joe Rogan fan forever. Ni one can do it better than him.
But I would be happy if he got a private spanking for his comments
All I know is
that call sure fucked up my Silva/Palhares/Vitor/Aldo parlay.
"My days they are the highway kind, they only come to leave."
Anyone got a GIF of the shots?
Live it looked like a ton of shots to the back of the head
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
See here.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
there was a way better angle on it, that angle makes it look like every shot landed to the back of his head. He definitely got the back of the head a couple times but nothing like the bombs Hendo landed on Fedor, or Vitor landed on Sexy, those were way more blatant and both those guys took home KO wins.
"My days they are the highway kind, they only come to leave."
OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony got away with murder.
I’m gonna go stab somebody right now and use that as my defense in court.
Also, neither of those fights were refereed by Mario, so it’s not a matter of his consistency. Those were Herb Dean and Yves Lavigne respectively. You can’t ask refs to make mistakes because other refs made the same mistakes too.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Guys are going to get hit in the back of the head
When they give up the back of their head to hit. Silva wasn’t intentionally trying to hit him there, he is trying to hammer fist him behind the ear.
by discoandherpes on Jan 15, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Prater was keeping his head close like a wrestler working for a single.
Silva should have hit him somewhere else and if he couldn’t hit him legally then he shouldn’t have hit him illegally. Nobody had any sympathy for Bisping TRYING to knee Rivera right when he was up but not timing it right. It wasn’t Ed Ratcliffe’s fault that Cerrone kept hitting him in the balls, it was Cerrone’s fault for not being able to land legal strikes against a moving and defending opponent. And it’s not like Prater was ‘playing the game’ and baiting for a foul, he was trying to get a single because that was his only chance of winning the fight.
If you think you’re going to hit a guy illegally, find a different way to hit him. The onus is on the guy fouling to not foul the other dude.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jan 15, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That would make sense if the shot to the back of the head is what won Silva the fight
But it wasn’t, it was the Knee to the collar bone that really did prater in, just like Matt Hamill’s dislocated shoulder was the reason for him not being able to continue after the that elbow barrage by Jon Jones.
There is no legit justification for this particular stoppage, or else the UFC wouldn’t treat it like he won.
by amendamatrix on Jan 15, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Plus
Your not allowed to target the back of the head, but when a guy is moving his head around, he is going to accidentally get hit there. A punch that is legal when it is thrown can sometimes be illegal by the time it gets to the other fighter because the other fighter is moving around.
by discoandherpes on Jan 15, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Those last two shots definitely landed on the back of the head
And probably forced the stoppage.
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
who is that guy?
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by Gomz on Jan 15, 2012 4:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wallid Ismail
So much cawk
@thebigbluegold
"WHY ARE THERE HOLES IN MY BELT!"
"Dad it's a belt. That's what you're supposed to do"
"NOT IN MY BELTS!"
by Lanceinmypants on Jan 15, 2012 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Careful
Don’t judge Mario Yamasaki based on Wllid’s words. I’ve been very vocal about Mario’s mistake’s in the past, but there is a big thing going in Brazil about creating their own MMA comission and Carlos Barreto has associated with Yamasaki to found the first athletic comission. Wallid Ismail, however, apparently can’t work with anyone unless he’s in charge, so Mario/Barreto and Ismail have cleaved a big gap between them.
Wallid Ismail, besides being Erick Silva’s manager, has much more motivation to burn Mario Yamasaki.
by juziel on Jan 15, 2012 5:29 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
very insightful
didnt know that
I am willing to test myself against the toughest fighters in the world, in front of hundreds of thousands or even millions of fans, over and over again. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose, but I always come to fight. I've been doing this for the past fourteen years, and I have at least a few more strong years left in me. What have you done in the past fourteen years other than act like a moron on this forum and hang on Anderson's nuts? - Dan Henderson.
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