Fighting Gender Inequality
When the UFC's Fox deal went through, you couldn't go five minutes of an MMA obsessed life without hearing about the male 18-34 demographic that Fox and the UFC share as their core market. It is probably not surprising that a sport in which women are continually overlooked, unless in the role of a pretty and clueless gap filler (Strikeforce's Heidi Androl) or ring girls, does not get many female followers. It should be noted that there are a few upstanding female citizens in the MMA world. Karen Bryant is a respected MMA journalist, but shouldn't have had to shake off being motorboated by Rampage Jackson. There are female fighters who attempt to market themselves as fighters rather than lookers, like Sarah Kaufman and, in a change of heart, Miesha Tate.
I love MMA and I feel like since women in MMA are not being taken seriously we are currently being robbed of what could develop into a strong division or set of divisions as female fans and therefore prospective female fighters are no doubt being put off by a sport that gives the impression of being a man's world.
My point then, is that there are plenty of good female fighters who I would really like to see fight more. The general atmosphere of chauvinism in MMA journalism, organisations and among some fans leads to an environment where female fans are discouraged, where female fighters are ignored, ridiculed or forced to market themselves as sexy rather than skilled. If female fighters and women in general are not treated equally in MMA, the sport will be robbed of half its audience and half its potentially great fighters and that is a shame.
After the jump I will focus on six main areas or incidents which highlight the chauvinism in MMA.
Kim Winslow
There is one high profile female referee in MMA, Kim Winslow. Last weekend she controversially took an age to rescue Lorenz Larkin from a pummelling at the hands of King Mo Lawal, when he was clearly finished. Now, King Mo was rightfully upset that she had not stopped the fight earlier as it meant he had to keep going longer than he would have liked, risking the health of a fellow fighter. However, there was a great Bloody Elbow fanpost which made a strong case for the fact that while criticism of Winslow was justified on this occasion, all top tier referee have made high profile errors and it is extremely rare that they incur sustained criticism from fans and journalists. Many people have said that they believe Kim Winslow has no place refereeing in MMA, but the implication of the criticism feels like there is no place for a woman in there with male fighters.
Cyborg
Christine "Cyborg" Santos is the most explosive and athletic fighter in women's MMA. Now, let's just put aside the fact that she was found to have taken weight reducing steroids and yet people still say "In told you she got those massive muscles unnaturally". Before we knew that, the main point people would make about Santos was that she looks and fights like a man. As far as I can tell, the reality is that she fights like a great, aggressive fighter and I do not exactly see what her gender has got to do with it.
Ronda Rousey, Miesha Tate
If you did not go and watch the telephone argument between Rousey and Tate on Ariel Helwani's MMA Hour, then I strongly suggest that you do. Ronda Rousey has made it pretty clear that, in spite of only having four career fights, albeit with four astonishing arm bar finishes, she should be given a title shot against Miesha Tate. Tate (and Sarah Kaufman who Rousey has pushed past in the queue) feel like Rousey has yet to pay her dues and does not deserve the shot that Strikeforce has now confirmed she will be given. Rousey's reasoning? She is a very beautiful marketable girl and so is Miesha Tate, while Sarah Kaufman is a little bit plain. The Tate vs Rousey fight is going to be a bigger draw.
Of course it is up to Ronda how she wants to market herself, but she has been pretty disrespectful towards her fellow female fighters. I feel like they deserve credit as athletes. I am pretty sure that no one was annoyed that GSP fought BJ Penn twice, even though Penn is short and bald and not going to be able to draw fans in base don his looks. She is also being pretty disrespectful towards her audience. Sure, as I am repeatedly pointing out, MMA is a pretty chauvinistic place, but it is not as bad as Rousey seems to think. The fact is that we fans are fans of fights. If you are interested in scantily clad attractive women, there are plenty of places to go to find it, but I think people who tune in to MMA fights are more interested in fighting. She should not assume that we will only be interested in fights if they feature attractive people, after all we watch ugly men fighting all the time.
Ring girls
I am not much of a boxing fan, but I can only assume that the use of ring girls follows in the tradition from boxing. I find it pretty strange when I see it on TV, but found it a bit creepy when I watched a live UFC event to see thousands of men whistling at a lady in her underwear. I feel like if we are going to have ring girls, because it's nice for fans to have someone to rest their eyes on between rounds, maybe we should have ring guys as well, I know quite a few female fans who would be quite chuffed if GSP was a guest Octagon guy.
I know ring girls are not a really big part of MMA, but they are a feature of every promotion and really, I find it a bit weird. This is probably the point I am most shaky on though, because I know that in the US, where the majority of MMA that I watch is held, you guys have cheerleaders and things before sports so maybe it just seems really normal over there. But for me, I don't exactly understand what they're doing there.
"WMMA lacks depth"
How exactly do we know that women's MMA lacks depth? Have the majority of fans and journalists been watching Jewel events in Japan, keeping an eye on the Bellator to watch the women's 115lb and 125lb divisions. In the MMA community people completely overlook any division apart from 145lb and 135lb, but back when the UFC started MMA itself was shallow. The way you find the fighters is by growing the sport.
My point here is that while for men's divisions like the newly added UFC 125lb division, depth isn't an issue because the UFC is willing to put in time to raise the profile of plenty of fighters and create an interest. There is absolutely no reason why the UFC or Strikeforce could not do the same with women's MMA, perhaps beginning with 135lb, where the most famous fighters are. I feel like the reason this is not done is because there is a general lack of consideration of the female fighters as fighters and this is because of the overall mood of chauvinism in MMA.
Male fighters disparaging/pseudo moral comments.
Here is Matt Hughes saying he does not like the idea of women hitting each other, although he is gracious enough to allow women in the army.
Here is Dana White laughing at the idea of women being allowed in the UFC
These are two videos which are quite shockingly dismissive of a whole gender's worth of athletes. If anyone was this disparaging about female fighters in the gym where I train, they would not be popular.
The point of these two videos is not really that these views are a bit out dated and silly, but rather that they are representative of opinions held by quite a few people within MMA and that they add to the feeling in MMA that women are not respected or welcome.
Finally, here's a video of Donald Cerrone, Uriah Faber, Frank Mir and (I think) Mike Brown chatting about women's MMA. Everyone who speaks makes some pretty good points, but the sensible thinking is pretty much ruined as they fall into giggling about getting female fighters to the ground. And this is a big part of problem, MMA tends to be a bit man's world and I do not think that women can feel all that comfortable within it.
About the future of women's MMA, as a fight fan I am desperate for the women's divisons to properly get off the ground and for the best fighters to be fighting regularly. About MMA in general, I think it is time for people within the sport, especially journalists and promoters who ought to be acting professionally, to welcome women in as fighters, referees and fans with respect and equality.
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It is simple fact
That women’s MMA is not, can not, and will not become popular. It is not any lack of journalism, nor lack of promotion, it is simply that most people have not a care in the world. I will even admit that I have no interest in the continuation of women’s MMA. I can’t even place why, but I can guarantee you that if I, a huge fan of MMA, don’t really care, the general public never will. I can respect the athletes, but I don’t really care much to watch.
Ruining Your Special Night with all caps and the like. Be prepared to be disappointed. But not by us. Because of us.... We're not disappointing, it's the things we say to you, and.... fuck it, everyone else sucks. Mmkay?
by halitosis on Jan 14, 2012 11:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
That is no necessarily true
Women’s fights have historically done some pretty good numbers on television.
by discoandherpes on Jan 17, 2012 4:17 AM EST up reply actions
No
Gina Carano fights have historically done some pretty good numbers on television.
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Wasn’t there a rating spike for one of Tate’s fights?
by discoandherpes on Jan 17, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that you’re even asking should probably illustrate that you were wrong about the TV numbers.
"Everyone has a plan until they’ve been hit."
~ Joe Lewis
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I'm asking
Because I could be wrong. That’s what I thought I read, but I’m not sure.
by discoandherpes on Jan 18, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent article
More and more i tend to not bother to read mma commentaries in general due to a growing ignorant and chavunistic culture of fans, but today i am thankful to have read your post. To remember that there are others aware of theses issues and that the curren path taken in general to this issue does not have to be set in stone but can be reversed with greater focus and attention.
by pRoXiMo on Jan 14, 2012 12:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Meisha Tate does market herself on her looks
Go on the internet and count how many pictures of her ass you can find.
by discoandherpes on Jan 14, 2012 12:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
WMMA does lack depth
On average, there are about 26 heavyweights on the UFC roster. That is considered a very thin division. Now, do you think you can name a weight class in WMMA that have 26 high level women?
Most of these criticisms about WMMA are perfectly valid. Let’s not pretend like someone’s physical appearance doesn’t effect how they are judged on the male side. People liked Brock Lesnar not because he was a great fighter, but because of his physical appearance. The dude was gigantic and freakish in his size and athleticism. Same thing can be said about Jones. GSP is very popular among the female fanbase for a reason. GSP even turned a guy on this website gay. Don’t blame Rousey for being the only one not being completely delusional about the sport.
I like good female fights, but lets not pretend that they are at the skill level of their male counterparts and it is a travesty they don’t fight in the UFC.
by discoandherpes on Jan 14, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
lmao
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Few mma fans cares about WMMA for the following reasons:
1 – Female fighters/BB players/boxers are inferior athletes compared to even the most lowest ranked males in their respective promotions/leagues. The males are capable of physical feats that the ladies can’t match. In WMMA, the women don’t even have great technical skills to compensate like their fellow athletes in pro women’s boxing, or basketball, which is why depth is an issue.
2 – The female fighters in general lack a personality that could attract people’s attention beyond their fighting skills or beauty. RR is the only one who has it right now, but she has only won 4 fights and is already being pushed too quickly to fight for a title. I’ll watch her fight, even though I’m not a WMMA fan, but most of my friends who are MMA fans don’t give damn about it.
3 – Personal issues with watching women getting beat up, regardless if another woman is doing the beating. You can say what you want about equality, but a lot of people won’t care, they get very uncomfortable seeing woman get into fights as rough as men do.
4 – Men don’t like to watch unattractive women do anything. I really think this is the reason why women’s tennis is the only female sport that gets respect compared to others. Many of the elite tennis players look attractive, few look manly, and all of them dress in skimpy clothes. It also helps that tennis visually looks the same regardless if elite men or elite women are playing, so it’s easier to get into if you’re a tennis fan.
by amendamatrix on Jan 14, 2012 1:04 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Agreed on all of them
It’s just a compilation of things. The best comparison I can think of is the NBA and WNBA. Where the WNBA is is about where WMMA can reach, but men’s MMA must come first.
Ruining Your Special Night with all caps and the like. Be prepared to be disappointed. But not by us. Because of us.... We're not disappointing, it's the things we say to you, and.... fuck it, everyone else sucks. Mmkay?
The biggest problem I have with these sentiments is that
its not like you require any more effort to put on a WMMA fight. You don’t need a WUFC or anything. Fighting is just 1 versus 1. If you can put two people in a cage, you can have a fight. if you have a couple of fighters, you have a division. Then you can just throw a fight or two on every card. This is why I don’t understand the aversion to the idea.
A fight is a fight, but people only pay to watch fights between highly skilled and athletic fighters.
A couple of fighters of mostly terrible quality is not a division that needs to be eating up card space on a ppv.
I don’t want to see bums fighting each other, I want to see fighters who are really good at multiple aspects of MMA in the octagon, and I don’t think I’m alone in that regard. There are way too many male fighters in all of the same weight classes as the ladies that are far superior in terms of natural physicality and skill that can produce better fights in the octagon. Would you rather see a future Jose aldo fighting on a ufc prelim/main card or a Gina Carano, or Miesha Tate? I know what I’d rather pay for.
by amendamatrix on Jan 14, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Why the aversion?
Because however good that fight between the two women may be, there is a thousand other Male Fighters who can take it to a higher level then they can, so why put them on and not the men?
Ultimately, we want to see the very best fights, and fighting, possible. And that is between two men, not women.
Men are not meant to have babies, such is nature. Just as Women, for the most part, are not meant to fight.
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by Shotokanman on Jan 14, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That's a ridiculous lie.
There are plenty of guys like Garcia and Brookins who aren’t very good and are goddamn annoying to watch. And it’s so hypocritical to say that nobody wants to see women fight, when everybody on this site gets excited about Cyborg fight, or about the prospect of a Tate vs Rousey fight.
You’re being a sexist hypocrite.
You’re being a sexist hypocrite.
Come on now play nice. You have so many other things you can make fun of Shotokanman.
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by Sugel Mendoza on Jan 15, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
And it’s so hypocritical to say that nobody wants to see women fight, when everybody on this site gets excited about Cyborg fight, or about the prospect of a Tate vs Rousey fight.
The only reason some people, myself included, are interested in Tate-Rousey, is because of RR’s unique personality among female fighters and to see how her Judo skills matches up against Tate’s wrestling. If it wasn’t for the interest drummed up by Rousey, I don’t think many people would care too much about this fight.
by amendamatrix on Jan 15, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
You want to see a fight based on the fighters personalities and how their skills match up.
So…. it’s like every other fight?
RR is the only one with legit skills(Judo), while Miesha Tate fairly overrated in comparison. Both fighters are extremely one-dimensional, but RR’s is the only female mma fighter that I care to follow.
After that fight, there isn’t anything left that I care about in any of the divisions, and I think it would be pointless to put any of those divisions in the UFC at the moment.
With the new men’s 125 lb division being added, that makes 8 weight divisions in the UFC. there doesn’t look like there is any room for 2-3 inferior female divisions which would only serve to dilute the cards with amatuer level fights.
by amendamatrix on Jan 15, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
And there would be a lot of fights between male fighters that would be a hell of a lot less entertaining
If I wanted to watch purely entertaining fights, I’d watch a hell of a lot more Bellator, MFC, KOTC, and Jungle Fight, but I don’t have time for that. I hope every UFC fight is entertaining, but I prefer my fights to have a little more technicality to them in general, which is much easier to find in equivalent men’s divisions. Too many women’s fights are sloppy IMO.
Note: I hate watching any fighter who uses his/her wrestling to Lay & Pray/Wall & Stall, or fighters who don’t try to very hard to finish the fights when they have the capacity to.
by amendamatrix on Jan 15, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
There are a lot of UCF fights that pretty sloppy and boring.
Some having the redeeming quality of being so bad it’s funny, or at least having BE commentary to make them funny.
That doesn't have any bearing on the fact that there is an even higher percentage of sloppy fights in the Women's 145, and 135 divisions
The overall quality of the fights in the Men’s 145, and 135 divisions are consistently better. If you don’t believe me, watch some WEC dvds and tell me they aren’t, Zuffa was able to produce the most exciting mma org of all time, IMO, with mostly 135, and 145 lb males. You won’t get the same results with an org made up of women’s 125, 135, and 145.
by amendamatrix on Jan 15, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
When you can put a quality WMMA fight an occasional card
It doesn’t matter that as a whole, the division is weaker than the male counterpart. I’d rather watch an entertaining fight between two skilled female fighters, than a fight between a wrestler and a guy who thinks TDD means pulling guard. Or a fight between to fat HWs who gas in the first round.
I don't like the HW division, but it's better than wmma 145 and 135
by amendamatrix on Jan 15, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't say it to troll, but I honestly believe that
Now that Strikerforce HWs are being added to the UFC will make it MUCH STRONGER than it was last year. Even you have to admit that.
by amendamatrix on Jan 15, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
The heavyweight division is deeper than any WMMA division
Which is kind of sad.
by discoandherpes on Jan 15, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't trying to say it wasn't
Which is why his comment annoyed me. I was pretty clearly saying that there are fair amount of HW fights where it looks like two piles of laundry dry humping each other into exhaustion. I’d rather watch two women fight than that, if only because the gals always put on a show.
Most female fights are entertaining (if the bout is competitive of course), I do agree with that. I think the problem is that Zuffa is in the business of promotion weight classes that are functional and kind of have a rhyme and rhythm to them, and not putting together fights with no long term goal. Strikeforce is a good example. Most of the high level female fighters fight very rarely.
by discoandherpes on Jan 16, 2012 7:18 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly, women’s 145 is so thin that Strikeforce didn’t even have a real stable of ladies in the division to sort out worthy challengers for Cyborg. Because of the lack of a division, Cyborg had to sit out for months to over year from competition while SF had to search far and wide outside of the promotion to find a “challenger”.
When Miesha Tate fights Ronda Rousey, it will be about 7 months since her last fight, why hasn’t she fought in so long? If the champion of a division can’t defend her title at least twice a year, barring injury, what gives? That’s why I don’t want to see the ladies hamfisted into the UFC, they are simply not ready.
by amendamatrix on Jan 16, 2012 7:50 AM EST up reply actions
And Rousey not withstanding
The only other fight really was Tate vs. Kaufman. Eventually we’re going to get to a point where the top three ladies are just going to keep fighting one another because of a lack of depth. The fact that Coenen isn’t there anymore really hurts the division as well.
by discoandherpes on Jan 17, 2012 4:16 AM EST up reply actions

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