Dana White fires back at ESPN over the latest Josh Gross article. Luke Thomas has Dana's whole tweet stream at MMA Nation.
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Woah
It’ll be intense if Nick Diaz and Dana White decided to to a stare off for the hell of it
by spider webb on Jan 12, 2012 7:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
lmao yea DW go take on ESPN see how that goes than again DW only wants you to be hand fed the information he wants (like any sports head/businessmen wants)
Personally I think fighter pay is about right dose it suck to be a guy making 8/8 yes but what do you really bring to the UFC?
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Holy shit!
It’s Krillin!
Luke Thomas: If Pro Wrestling had a dick, you'd be the balls!
Kid Nate: ...
someone just has to put those 6 dots on his head
by Rob Young on Jan 12, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
That's the look you get
when you kill Tien, Yamcha and…that midget, clown thing. What the fuck was that thing anyways, a living doll or some shit? Old school mythology is weird as hell.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jan 13, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
choutzu
or however you spell it? That thing was creepy, and it’s most powerful attack was a suicide bomb hahaha. Creepy
by OneFitchTwoFitchRedFitchBlueFitch on Jan 13, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol! That was it’s most powerful attack, fucking terrorist doll!
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jan 13, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Josh Gross
I don’t doubt that he is a decent journalist. Having listened to some of his radio interviews and his general views on MMA he seems out of touch. Even his fight picks can be way off or peculiar. I think since Pride ended he’s simply been pulling a pay cheque which happens to be MMA related. The same applies to most of the old Sherdog staffers, though gross left there long ago I still lump him in with them.
White should stop treating twitter like a note passed around a third grader’s classroom.
judging by the autocorrects of "hell" and "shit"
it looks like Dana has finally ditched the blackberry for an iPhone
Dana Needs To Grow Up!
If Dana n co. want the Ufc to get n be accepted as a major league sport, the Fertitas need to reel in White n stop his petty little hissy fits. When its all said and done,the mma fighters n fans are keeping the sport thriving. Fans are paying to see the athletes perform not dana boy and his twittering tantrums. And paying the lower rung undercard fighters a more respectable pay would be the right thing!
by Hankverdee on Jan 12, 2012 8:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
UFC isn't used to not holding all the cards.
I think the landscape Dana and the UFC have entered recently is one that isn’t familiar to them. They are used to being able to pull press credentials and slander and bash anyone who is critical of them, and its been effective because most of the people covering MMA needed UFC credentials to survive and make a living since they didn’t cover other sports, but now with mainstream media covering UFC and sometimes being critical of it, Dana is in way over his head if he thinks he can bully them and release video blogs calling them inappropriate slurs to get them to back off and obey.
ESPN doesn’t need the UFC the way other MMA media outlets needed them.
The UFC has done just fine with out ESPN for years now and still will continue no matter how they choose to cover the sport or the UFC.White is like any human being who feels they have been wronged and there business shown in a unfair light he fires back. ESPN does nothing for MMA/UFC now so I doubt that crossed Dana’s mind when blasting back.
The ESPN article is quite good.
Who knows if the numbers on fighter pay and revenue sharing are accurate, but that’s half the point isn’t it? The arguments made are logical and fit together with the picture we see from the outside, even considering anonymous sources. Anyone who more than casually follows the UFC knows the price for not toeing the company line. This aspect of the sport has been totally forgotten by the MMA media since the Strikeforce buyout because we’ve been getting such awesome fights. Classic case of attention deficit…ooh, shiny!
PS Can I be unbanned from MMA Nation so I can put this type of comment there next time?
Share for share, share alike, you'll get struck each time I strike.
Why?
The sloppiness is so bad that it kills his point. The thinking displays a dismaying ignorance of basic econ/finance concepts (and I’m not talking about any sort of idealogical definitions of “value” either).
Dana being a petty potty-mouth who lashes out against perceived threats really has very little to do w/ the main issue of fighter pay, in my mind. On which issue, Gross is so inaccurate that I don’t think his argument holds at all.
What did you like about the piece? (I’m not trying to be rhetorical, I’d really like to know your opinion here. I could easily have missed something.)
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Luke Thomas has Dana’s whole tweet stream at MMA Nation.
That’s it Luke. Take the whole thing.
by smoogy2 on Jan 12, 2012 9:11 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
I actually like Gross as a reporter in my mind he is one of the best and knows his MMA but when it comes to Dana White he is any thing but unbias.Over the years sense his days at sherdog he does nothing but continue to point out anything he can find negative on white and the UFC and just keeps throwing fuel on the fire that is there realtionship or lack there of. So I was not to shocked at all that Gross wrote this article becasue it seems like he enjoys jumping at the chance to write or say anything he can negative about the UFC and White.
People like Gross are the main reason I have not went near Sherdog in years
I know he doesnt work for sherdog these days but his brand of negative journalism really does nothing for me.
The guys who get the lowest end of the money scale are people opening non PPV cards and this is really just giving these guys a platform to show the world what they can do and if they do well they get well rewarded for it. The UFC makes no one from the guys that low down in the card and lets face it they do better than no names do in boxing. I know alot of MMA fans like myself will watch every fight in every card giving these guys a real chance at making a name for themselves.
The UFC are not a charity. The UFC and Dana While do more for MMA and these so called hard done by figthers in a single day than Josh Gross will do in his entire life!
You're right.
The UFC are not a charity, they’re a business. This includes that they’re paying the majority of their fighters less than they could to generate more profit.
Journalist should be able to talk about it if they feel it needs to be adressed without being shunned.
Go big red!
you can talk about it, but do it the right way. A writer with a gruge against zuffa interviewing people with grudges against zuffa and using fuzzy math is not the right way to do it, and in fact, it could hurt the cause more than it helps it.
A well researched piece into fighter pay would be interesting, and if it came to the conclusion that the fighters are getting screwed Zuffa would either ignore it, or give the same answers they’ve been giving for years, “we pay more than everyone else, we’ve created x millionaires, etc, etc.” By doing a bad job, and pissing off Dana, their going to create a response, the response is probably going to use fuzzy math also, and is going to push people into thinking that they pay is ok.
Well, even if it isn't written as fair and ballanced as Zuffa would like it, I still think it's important to touch on the subject.
Obviously, in the US, a lot has to happen before the state interferes with the free market to prevent a monopoly-like position for a competitor in a certain branch. I’m from Germany, and I can say with some confidence that Zuffa wouldn’t have been allowed to purchase so many of their competitors, had the whole affair been taking place over here. Please note that I’m not passing any judgement whether they shouldn’t have been allowed to do so or not, that’s not where I’m heading. I’m only saying this because it’ll allow me to conclude, that if the state isn’t neccesarily keeping a close eye on Zuffas dealings, it’s so much more important that the media does. I don’t even mind whether they’re going over-the-top with it, in that case, Zuffa can still do what White’s planning on doing currently: present their side and call ESPN out on their alleged one-sidedness.
That’s what the media’s originally for, in my opinion.
Go big red!
I don’t know much about monopoly law here or there, but it would suck for Strikeforce’s owners if the government said they couldn’t accept the highest offer.
that’s the part that I don’t understand about all the complaints about zuffa. Everyone that pays more for fighters than them dies, and no one can afford to outbid them for the carcasses. If these other orgs were doing so great, I would think one of them would survive or someone would outbid zuffa for them.
Haha I love his face in this pic! It looks like he’s thinking “Now I KNOW this muthafucka didn’t just ask me…”
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jan 13, 2012 9:57 AM EST reply actions
Regardless of the "It's a business!" bullshit...
…the UFC needs to up the pay on their lower fighters. It would not hurt their bottom line at all to have a minimum purse of, say, 15K for showing. They make millions. Raising fighter pay will allow fighters to get better training and make for better fighters. Can only help the UFC in the long run.
It's like saying you dislike Don Frye's mustache, which itself is the equivalent of spitting on the Constitution. - Anthony Pace
If the UFC raises minimum pay, doesn’t that effectively add a barrier of entry to the MMA business, and thus, move the UFC into a monopoly situation?
Yes and no,
b/c the regional feeder shows aren’t affected very much at all.
But Bellator would feel the squeeze, for sure.
I smoke on the mic like Smokin' Joe Frazier
So badly reported!
Just awful.
Gross got the median annual income off by half, just based on reported bonuses and show/win purses!
Gross said the median salary is b/w $17,000 and $23,000. He bases this off Masay’s “many conversations with current fighters.”
Just going on 2011 reported purses (and FOTN, SOTN, KOOTN bonuses), the median salary was $36,000. (169 Waylon Lowe* $36,000. Source.)
That sort of sloppiness prevades the article. If ESPN had any real standards Gross ought to be suspended for that kinda garbage—or better yet, they shouldn’t run the story until they have legit info!
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