LEAVE KIM ALONE!: Why Kim Winslow-Bashing Brings out the Worst in MMA Fans

It was the Villante vs. Smith fight. Villante dropped Smith, Smith works for a leglock while eating hammerfists….and Winslow stops it, while Smith is searching for a sub.

But should a woman officiate a mens combat event? I admit i feel fearful for hers and the fighters safety when they announce her name. I have to question if the shit were to hit the fan ala the SF brawl or even God forbid Gilbert Yvel, would she be able to handle herself ? I know its a worst case scenario and Im sure Kim is more than capable of doing her job, but maybe theres a reason why they dont have female refs in the NHL. Shit can get hairy

Herb Dean is the best ref ever.

Great point. Winslow’s refereeing was pretty shoddy on Saturday night, but the tone of the criticism has been awful and gone on for way too long.

She shouldn’t be on big shows until she demonstrates sufficient level of competence imo – some might say she shouldn’t be reffing at all.

Learn from him

Maybe I’m just an exception to this, but I remember every one of those situations you brought up with the other referees.

It’s still hard to believe Big Tan Dan did the Kimbo fight, because he’s normally a decent ref, and that was one of the most bizarre things ever. He also fucked up with the Carwin-Mir fight, he apparently hates Mir more than BE does. But he has enough matches where things go off without a hitch that I can somewhat rely on him.

Now Steve Mazzagati, he’s horribly inconsistent. He never improves. Some fights he’s great in, but there are too many where he’s subpar to trust him. Plus, he’s inconsistent as hell with the way he officiates in the first place, when speaking of things such as stand-ups and how long he’ll go before he’ll stop a fight. I think Brock tapped 7 fucking times before he made Mir let go of him in the first fight. So it’s hard to gauge what I’m going to get from him in a given fight.

If the Nover fight that Yves reffed was on the same night as I’m thinking of, that wasn’t his only severe mistake. He stopped that one too quick, then let another guy get brutalized in a later fight because the crowd got to him. Made him look incredibly incompetent. Thankfully, he’s seeming to get better.

Herb’s good but makes mistakes. Big John isn’t as good as people proclaim, he’s prone to mistakes as well. Josh Rosenthal is God. Yamasaki is hit-and-miss.

Now my first problem with Kim Winslow is sticking her in with LHW. I think the same thing when Steve or Yves (that rhymed) or Saki is in there. I thought she was appropriate size-wise to put on WEC events, and they should continue to use her for the lighter weights only in the UFC, but I’m not sure how the commission decides those things. My biggest problem with Ms. Winslow is her hesitance. I sometimes wonder if she is fully aware she’s made a lot of mistakes, and over-analyzes everything for fear of messing up again. She’s constantly too far away from the fighters, seems leery of getting in between them to stop a fight, etc… Granted, I’m nowhere near LHW size and wouldn’t dream of trying to stop King Mo from punching someone. Blah, this is too long.

TL;DR I pretty much hate all MMA refs, and the ones I don’t took a long time to earn that respect from me. Kim hasn’t reached that point yet due to inconsistency and no signs of improving. Using sexism to defend her just sounds like an attention-grabbing discussion-starter to me.

No other ref has the ability to make me fearful for a fighters safety like Winslow does

I get uneasy when I see that Kim is reffing a fight and I get kinda mad when mazagati is reffing one. I think they have the worst track record in the game of blatantly screwing up. I have been watching a long time and these two stand out as refs that make me cringe. I can’t go on and point out each instance that some above me in the comments have because I don’t care to look it all up. What I do know is they have done enough to get that branding from me.

I’ve been a referee for hockey since I was 14 and I have been yelled at, cussed at, threatened, ect ect ect so I know exactly how it feels to be in their shoes and yea, I’ve messed up as every ref does. What I want from a ref is consistency while making calls correctly much more often than screwing up.

I can keep going but this is a comment, not a FanPost…..

But I thinks its ridiculous to tell other people who they can be mad or complain about and why.

Calling everyone sexist was inaccurate and lazy(like Rob said). I don’t care what gender she is, she messed up very badly. I’ve always found her to be too timid to safely ref, especially at the higher weights.

Get used to it dude.

I’m going to go ahead an throw the gauntlet down right here: the reason we’re even still talking about Kim Winslow is because she’s a woman. Plain and simple

I thought it was because you wrote this post :)

Kim Winslow is remarkable for two reasons: she is a woman, and she looks like an objectivist. Her reffing is not remarkable. I haven’t seen the fight where she stops it before the tap, but I did see the fight where Rhonda Roussey got the stoppage despite her opponent tapping. I don’t know who the ref was there, probably because the ref was neither a woman nor someone who looked like an objectivist.

She’s a bad ref

Mazzagatti’s a bad ref

Chip Snyder’s a bad ref

Jon Schorle’s a bad ref

People get pissed when fighters take beatings that they should have done and Winslow lets that happen

She’s not without her positives

When she’s good she’s good

But when she’s bad she’s horrid

Meh.. not everything should be chalked down to racism or sexism. I respect your opinion but I disagree with your conclusions here.

I wish refs were more accountable for their actions. I can understand them making mistakes but it would be nice to hear them come out and either justify their actions or say ‘I made a mistake and I’m sorry’

It looked like he was knocked out by the 10th one and woke back up upon subsequent strikes.

He was certainly flailing differently during the 11th to the 17th blows.

Stoppage could be considered late. Whatever though, not a big deal.

The big deal actually came after, in the form of King Mo’s comments. You should point your pen at him because if anyone was acting in a sexist manner it’s him. Fighter’s never speak that way about referees in the post fight. He stirred up an issue, the media took it to Kizer and that becomes post fodder on a Tuesday afternoon, you shouldn’t be mad at us for discussing it.

Kim really seems unsure of what’s happening in there sometimes. I have no issue with female refs, but I think she’s need more training.

Keith Kizer coming out supporting the Larkin stoppage is not really helping matters. Referees need to be evaluated on their performances and have their mistakes pointed out and explained so that they can avoid making similar errors. Unfortunately, Kim does not appear to be learning from her mistakes.