Submission Of The Year 2011 Bloody Elbow Roundtable
by Matthew Roth on Jan 10, 2012 3:00 PM EST
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2011 may be one of the biggest years in MMA history. From the Strikeforce purchase to the UFC's deal with Fox, there were some incredible moments inside and outside of the cage. The Bloody Elbow Staff will be discussing the best moments of 2011 and posting the full conversations in the upcoming days. To kick things off, the staff discussed what was the best submission of 2011 and the overwhelming favorite was Frank Mir's kimura on Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira at UFC 140. It was just so unexpected that many of us got caught up in the significance. The other popular choice was Chan Sung Jung's twister over Leonard Garcia. Just the fact that it's a low probability submission made it a clear contender. The fact that we'll likely never see it again kept it in the conversation.
Tim Burke: Chan Sung Jung's twister submission of Leonard Garcia. Case closed.
Josh Nason: Love that one, but want to nominate Tito Ortiz' guillotine win over Ryan Bader and Michael Chandler's rnc sub of Eddie Alvarez, the former for sentimental reasons and the latter because it was a big upset to close a great fight.
KJ Gould: Jon Jones' front chancery choke / prayer choke left a lasting impression, with the way Machida dropped after John McCarthy stopped the fight. No one had ever submitted Machida before, and Shogun remains the only one to knock him out cold.
Brent Brookhouse: I'm going to go with Mir's armbreaker over Nogueira. Nogueira had him practically KO'ed, then went for the choke, Mir survives the submission by a heavyweight MMA submissionlegend and gets his own kimura on and breaks the arm in half? That's submission of the year stuff for me.
Fraser Coffeen: Hate to repeat, but Brent has this. Many, myself included, assumed Mir vs. Nog II would be another standing battle, but instead we got the quick ground war between two Heavyweight Jiu Jitsu greats that we had hoped for - and then Mir snapped Nog's arm like a twig. Nasty? You bet. But clearly the sub of the year.
Ben Thapa: I was a big fan of Joe Lauzon's trimura and Pat Curran's Peruvian Necktie. Oh and lets not forget Vinny getting the gogoplata from mount in M-1.
Dallas Winston: The Korean Zombie's Twister was a lock for this spot until Nog x Mir. One of our last discussions was how "significance" played into annual awards, and that's what launches this one out of the ballpark.
Mir and Nog are traditionally considered the most proven heavyweight submissionists of all time but they were isolated in different organizations for most of their careers. They're both old schoolers who are still pushing at the top level and the way this fight unfolded was downright historic.
David Castillo: All great choices, and while Nog/Mir should be the winner, I think Pablo Garza's flying triangle on Yves Jabouin is worth highlighting. Flying submissions of any kind are so rare, and so awesome. If we're talking submissions on the whole, however, my personal favorite was Vinny Magalhaes' banana split on Daniel Gracie at the Ultimate Absolute.
Matt Roth: I'm going with Mir/Nog as well. I think with everything you have to include significance and being the first man to submit nog really makes it the best of the year. Just watching the whole sequence and arm break. Jeez, I can't think of another submission that caused so many different emotions at once.
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I'll go with the Zombie
Jung’s win was one of the most joyous subs I’ve witnessed. Completely unknown, and only Rogan knew what was going on, yet he was able to convey it to us quickly enough and then we saw Jung get his revenge over the stupid judges and it was awesome and i kind of want to keep babbling about it.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 10, 2012 3:10 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Twister.
To introduce a new submission to the UFC, this late in the game, especially at 4:59, on a fight like that? Gotta.
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Twister.
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 10, 2012 3:10 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Twister
Now if Mir had gotten up and flipped off Nog while he lay on the ground in torment, I might have voted for Mir.
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by Ulf Murphy on Jan 10, 2012 3:14 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
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by Chris Hall on Jan 10, 2012 8:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
As awesome as the twister was… submitting a legend like Big Nog is a vastly more impressive feat to me than pretty much anything anyone could ever do to a low-to-mid-level brawler like Garcia.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
by Stanlee on Jan 10, 2012 3:19 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Good point.
Just like V. Magalhães who got a great gogoplata submission win last year but it was against a Russian guy no-one knows. That makes it less impressive to me.
I am a huge Nog fan and despise Mir, but that has to be sub of the year. Nog had never been submitted, Mir did it in come back fashion and snapped his arm. Case closed.
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by keyboardwarrior on Jan 10, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I think the fact that Nog didn't tap makes it even more impressive
You know there was a moment where Mir realized Nog wasn’t going to tap and that he was going to have to break it. That has to be a crazy realization to come to.
by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 10, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was thinking about that reading Chandler’s sub of Alvarez being mentioned in the discussion… by the time that submission rolled around Alvarez had pretty much given up and was looking for a reason to tap. Not to take anything away from Chandler’s performance, but the submission was really just Alvarez deciding he’d had enough.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
Really? I’ll be honest, I watched that reply 40-50 times and haven’t been able to pull my eyes away from the mangled mess that had been his right arm to see what his left hand was doing.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
My vote would go to the Korean Zombie
I remember hitting that move ONCE in a high school wrestling match, and my coach was ridiculously excited.
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by bcpjkell on Jan 10, 2012 3:23 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Most Technically Impressive: I’m a blue belt (aka I shouldn’t be the judge for that)
Most Gruesome: Tie – Jones/Machida and Ortiz/Nog
Most Emotional: Ortiz/Bader
Greatest Instantiation of Cosmic Justice: Jung/Garcia
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by Rundownloser on Jan 10, 2012 3:23 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Ugh, I meant Mir/Nog.
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by Rundownloser on Jan 10, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying it should be placed above Mir/Nog, since I’m honestly not sure which one deserves the top spot. But one thing that isn’t mentioned is that the KZ twister happened at 4:59 of the round. That definitely earns it some cool points, similar to Curran’s Peruvian necktie over, well, a Peruvian.
Nice to see a mention for Garza
That flying triangle was fucking wicked. So was the Twister. But yes, based on pure gravity, Mir’s probably gotta run away with this one. Had Jung done the same to, say, Chad Mendes— this would be his crown.
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I have two impressive subs from Bones
Ben Saunders Americana over Luis Santos (10/08/11) * flying triangle vs. Joubim (04/30/11)*
- Joe Lauzon RNC of Guillard (10/08/11) *
-Jon Jones RNC of Rampage (09/24/11) – ‘page’s first sub since Saku
-Nate Diaz – arm triangle of Gomi (09/24/11)*
-Shelemenko – standing guillotine vs. Galesic (09/17/11)*
-Josh Barnett – Side choke vs. Kharitonov (09/10/11)*
-Pat Healy – Rear naked choke vs. Maximo Blanco (9/10/11)
-Jung ("Koran Zombie") – Twister vs. Garcia (03/26/2011)*
-Hale – inverted triangle choke vs. Fekete (03/26/2011)**
-Garza
- Tito Ortiz – Guilotine of Bader (07/02/11)
- Tito Ortiz – Guilotine of Bader (07/02/11)*
- Meisha Tate – Arm-triangle of Coenen (07/02/11)*
- Chris Lylte – Guillotine choike of Hardy (08/15/11)*
- Urijah Faber – Guillotine choke of Brown (11/19/11)
- Frank Mir – Kimura over Big Nog – (12/8/11) **
- Diego Brandao – armbar over Dennis Bermudez *
- Jon Jones standing guillotine win over Machda (12/10/11)****
Garza’s flying triangle over Joubim is my favorite from a finesse standpoint.
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by Damnatio Memoriae on Jan 10, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
i think you forgot that one
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by gspmademegay on Jan 10, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
The twister, hands down and 100%.
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Hard to lock down just one as the best, IMO; for me, top to bottom...
Vinny’s mounted gogoplata
Mir’s kimura
Jung’s twister
Curran’s peruvian necktie
Jones’ prayer choke
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Jones choking Machida was incredible
Especially after Machida went out and he dropped. It was the total package as far as subs go.
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Hale vs Fekete deserves at least an honorable mention.
But who would’ve thought Big Nog could go out like that?
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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 10, 2012 3:40 PM EST reply actions
If Mir had fought exact same fight with literally anybody else, KZ would take this
But recovering from being rocked, surviving a submission from the man long heralded as the greatest submission artist in the HW division, reversing position, locking in your own submission, and then breaking the bone? It has to be Mir.
by Shaun32887 on Jan 10, 2012 3:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Richard Hale gets no love.
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I thought that was in 2010 for some reason, was that '11?
Because an inverted triangle choke at LHW is pretty damn awesome as well.
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same night as the Twister
It was almost foreshadowing of the Rua/Henderson and Chandler/Alvarez situation.
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by some schmuck in texas on Jan 10, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
The Twister was a "WOW, that was cool!" moment. But Mir's arm break of Nog was a "OMFG!" moment.
The OMFG moment wins the internet, any day of the week, including Sundays.
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I almost prolapsed when Mir subbed Nog. I honestly thought big he would retire with no submission loss on his record.
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Peruvian necktie on a Peruvian is just showing off
so I voted for the Mir/Nog kimura
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Three way tie.
Mir snaps Big Nog’s arm
Jones silences any critics when he slays The Dragon with a Marcelo-tine.
Vinny stylin’ on the Current combat sambo world champ.
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by the-gentle-way on Jan 10, 2012 5:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Who cares about a 3 way tie for 2nd
When twister is obviously the first place winner
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by sitnam90 on Jan 10, 2012 6:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
PAUL HARRIS????
and i do mean toquinho
by Tatsu Maki Sen Puu Kyaku on Jan 10, 2012 6:02 PM EST reply actions
kinda surprised that any number of Rousey 30 second armbars didnt get a mention
that said, these are all great.
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by Sean in Vancouver on Jan 10, 2012 6:09 PM EST reply actions
Funniest thing about this
was that even Tito was surprised he won.
I don’t know, I don’t even think it deserves to be up there. Pretty much the only thing it has going for it is the fact that Tito was such a huge underdog. Other than that, it was a standard submission over someone who isn’t really a submission specialist. And it came after Bader had been rocked, so it’s not like the submission itself got Tito the win.
It doesn’t hold a candle to either the KZ submission (super rare…only 2nd time I can personally remember it being used, feel good story of avenging the BS decision, tap at 4:59 of the round) or Mir’s (incredibly violent, happened after Mir had almost been finished due to strikes, against the fighter who has arguably had the most successful implementation of jiu-jitsu in the heavyweight division).
Don’t worry, Tito will get his moment in the sun when Upset of the Year rolls around.
by Jeffigatame on Jan 10, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not a Mir fan
but breaking the arm of a legend after almost being ko’d makes it an easy decision
Just voted
and it’s literally a tie between the Zombie and Mir. 863 votes each.
Thought
the Brandao arm bar might get a mention as well.
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