UFC 137: Nick Diaz vs. B.J. Penn Official
by Leland Roling on Sep 9, 2011 9:54 AM EDT
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One day after Dana White stripped former Strikeforce welterweight champion Nick Diaz of the opportunity to face Georges St. Pierre for the UFC welterweight title at UFC 137, White has now confirmed that Diaz is back on the card, but he'll now face B.J. Penn:
This is crazy but here we go again! You wanted it so you got it. Penn vs Diaz Oct 27th in Vegasless than a minute ago via Twitter for iPhone 
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Penn was originally scheduled to face Carlos Condit, but Diaz's absence from two consecutive press conferences put the UFC in a tough spot. Condit was bumped up to the main event to replace Diaz. Now, Diaz has found his way back onto the card after Dana White mentioned that he was thinking about cutting the fighter. There is no doubt that this is a move to save UFC 137 from monumental failure.
Immediate reactions have been mixed. Many fans are peeved at the notion that White would punish a fighter by removing him from a main event title slot, then turn around and place him on the same card. Others believe Penn vs. Diaz is a dream fight that is much more intriguing. While I understand the former, Nick Diaz vs. BJ Penn is an exciting alternative.
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I can't wait to see Penn licking Diaz's blood off of his gloves
by blutspender on Sep 8, 2011 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 13 recs
Penn TKO round 3?
Anyone down for a sig bet?
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I can see Penn winning by stoppage due to Diaz getting cut. Nick’s paper-thin skin might cost him a fight against BJ
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he did? I hadn’t heard that
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yup
had his brow shaved down
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I can also see Penn winning
Due to Diaz getting cut but it will have nothing to do with Diaz’s skin. And it won’t actually count as a win on Penn’s record.
by Joben on Sep 8, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, I’ll take diaz in this one. Besides I’m due for a sig change.
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by Hardy's in your face on Sep 8, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
you’re on hombre. what do ya think, 3 month duration?
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by Hardy's in your face on Sep 8, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn that's the going rate nowadays?
Alright, F it. I’m down.
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PENN > DIAZ UFC 137.
I'm actually surprised they are fighting...
Thought they were nearly teammates.
Same.
I remember Penn saying something about respecting Cesar Gracie a lot. Whatever though, eveyone’s just trying to get paid.
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If people start drawing the “almost teammates”-card, Dana White will start shooting people in the face. ;)
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by KGNLuc on Sep 9, 2011 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I really do think that the fans do win here in the end
Looking at it as a fan of just watching MMA fights and not caring about the other drama, Penn vs Nick Diaz is just a great scrap. I want to see this fight. Penn deserves to fight a name fighter, and this fight is a very good fight for both Penn and Diaz stylistically. I know that with all of the Nick Diaz drama that some MMA fans will be angry at this move, but I think that in the end, the fans do win here.
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I like this fight better than Condit/Penn
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 9, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
WAR PENN!!!
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 8, 2011 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
Great fight
Terrible decision.
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by Tim Burke on Sep 8, 2011 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 14 recs
This.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 8, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy Falwell
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by Dave Strummer on Sep 8, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I can't help but be excited,
but this is just weird in light of the past two days, and probably will continue to encourage Nick to be a selfish jackass henceforth. Anyway, WAR CONDIT!
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 8, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he got punished
he probably lost ~1.7 million with his little stunt and now has to watch Condit fight for the belt right in front of him- that’s not harsh enough?
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I think you're right where punishment is concerned.
Just can’t help feeling like Nick will never change as a result of this. That’s not the UFC’s job though, and as long as they’re not building PPV’s around him, why waste him?
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 8, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana said yesterday...
that if Nick wasn’t in the main event, his behavior wouldn’t be a big deal. There’s not nearly as many media responsibilities for a co-main or regular main card as there is for a GSP title fight/ main. And yeah- can’t take all of that attention garnered yesterday and not use it.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure,
it would be foolish to waste Nick, and I can’t complain about this because this card is back to full on awesome, so my interests are satisfied. I just think it doesn’t help get the message through to him at all. He probably feels like everything worked out great, what was all the fuss about? What if Nick beats Penn, can he be given another shot? I don’t see how you could, at least not until he’s had a couple fights and made peace with the UFC over these issues. Is Dana going to give into him and say he doesn’t have to do press, and give him another title shot? Anyway, that’s not our problem:)
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 8, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If he wins this he will get Fitch next
And that will take care of any title shot issues.
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by dedstrk316 on Sep 9, 2011 6:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
I think this is a great decision/punishment
Rather than getting an immediate title shot he now has to overcome one hell of a hurdle in a top 5 WW. If he can’t get through Penn he’ll become just another potential contender in the 170 pound sharktank. If he gets through Penn he justifies his title shot, and learns a valuable lesson not to mess around with DFW.
Plus this should be a god damn war!
by MS_Dos_Santos on Sep 8, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't say BJ is a top 5 welterweight
highest i have him is at number 6 after gsp fitch shields condit ellenberger besides i think a true test for Diaz would be a good wrestler i mean even Hughes would do as a good test for him to see whether or not he can actually handle a wrestler. Shoot give him Charlie Brenneman and make him work his way up
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Ellenberger top 5?
lol wut?
by Johnnynumber5 on Sep 8, 2011 10:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd have a hard time putting Ellenburger even top-10
Hell, he’s arguably not even top-15. Shields, Condit, Diaz and Penn are all #3 – #6, with an argument to be made for what order…
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by The American Ronin on Sep 9, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jake vs. Jake will improve Ellenberger's rank.
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yes!!! i agree with you! Only thing that could make it better would be madatory counciling with Danaher’s Hair.
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by Hardy's in your face on Sep 8, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
What I still don't get is
that Dana was talking about having a possible opponent for Penn at the press conference. Something crazy he didn’t want to tell the world about unless it was official. That serisously has something strange to it
that was this
“You guys are going to think I’m nuts.” Diaz was the first name that came to my head…
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but wouldn’t that mean he had already talked to Diaz about him having to fight Penn BEFORE the press conference?
no
It meant that’s what he was thinking, but didn’t know if it would be doable. Also why he told Cesar that he’d call him back at 3:30.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it just me
Or would you have loved to have heard the convo Nick and Dana had today?
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by HeadKickOfDoom on Sep 8, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh man
I’d PPV that shit.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I would too
But only if the co-main event was the conversation between Nick & Cesar
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by RearNakedChoker on Sep 8, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Yeah this is what I was expecting,
just didn’t think it was going to happen. I thought Nick might just completely shell up and just tell Dana to go fuck himself out of self-pity and bravado.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 8, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm good with it.
It’s both a punishment and a chance at redemption. If he flakes, he’s gone.
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by KingBrody on Sep 8, 2011 8:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Disagree
Diaz loses a title shot, likely a bunch of money, still give the people Diaz in a fight….and that fight is going to be FOTY.
I'M MADDER N HALE!!
No it isn’t.
It’s going to be Nick Diaz thinking he can box with a way faster puncher who isn’t an idiot. Diaz will get trounced badly in this match-up.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 8, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
All I see in Diaz v Penn is Epicness..Epic. Ness
I'M MADDER N HALE!!
by warren305 on Sep 8, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
really?
i think trounced is a little much. Diaz isn’t slow and hell have a reach advantage and tends to use it in an unorthodox manner. trounced? thats far fetched.
by XingYi on Sep 8, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Diaz has pretty mediocre wrestling
Did you see what BJ did to Jon Fitch in their fight? Even if you argue that BJ isn’t the superior all-around striker (he is, but that’s beside the point), he still has a variety of other tools to allow him to decisively control the fight.
The idea of Diaz submitting BJ is a bit laughable, and I don’t see him having the tools to win a decision even against an out-of-shape Penn. So really his only viable avenue of attack in this fight is to hope he can keep it standing and land big enough power shots to stop BJ.
Considering BJ’s granite chin and phenomenal grappling acumen, I just don’t see Diaz being realistically able to accomplish either of those things.
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Diaz has dropped or staggered a lot of guys with impressive chins. Those punches do add up and if BJ just eats them, he’ll fall too.
by Pantherhare on Sep 9, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
it'll be
just like Penn vs Sanchez =D absolute domination
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Those were pretty different stylistic match-ups
I don’t really see Nick hugging BJ’s legs for most of the fight before getting head kicked
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I'd say that..
Paul Daley probably hits harder than BJ – by how much I’m not sure but I think if Diaz was able to take those shots from Daley, he has a chance against BJ.
Either way, I’m just glad that this card, despite the debacle, is literally still as interesting as it originally was!
I'd further say that
Paul Daley probably hits harder than any top-25 WW and, while Diaz survived getting dropped twice, BJ has a killer instinct to rival that of anyone in MMA – if he drops Nick, he swarms and forces the finish before Nick can recover. And unlike Daley, BJ will have no fear of going to the ground with Nick, although perhaps he should – I don’t think his BJJ = his BJJ rep these days…
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by The American Ronin on Sep 9, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah after both times Daley dropped Diaz his follow-up on the ground was ineffectual. That may have cost him the fight. At the same time Nick does a great job avoiding damage after winding up on his back, which should help him.
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I think BJ's BJJ is just mis stated
He’s never been a huge threat from the bottom. But his guard is half impossible to pass and he’s one of the hardest guys in the UFC to get and hold down. On top of that, it’s his top game that’s really threatening and both times Diaz got knocked down he went straight to turtle. And I just don’t think giving up your back to Penn is a good idea
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Tough to say...
I think BJ has the faster and heavier hands, better wrestling, nearly invulnerable skin and at least an equal if not superior chin, but he is a world class front runner.
Diaz is slower and sloppier, but has a nearly equal chin, great recovery when rocked, vastly superior cardio and the ability to goad opponents into mistakes and (an unpopular opinion I’ll grant) superior BJJ for MMA.
Can’t see Diaz KOing or TKOing BJ in a 3 rounder, but I can see him decisioning him or submitting him late once BJ is tired. Of course, I can also see BJ decisioning Nick or KOing/TKOing him…
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by The American Ronin on Sep 9, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
What is your opinion (about their BJJ) based on?
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by dancingChicken on Sep 9, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Watching tape of their MMA fights. BJ has the well earned rep and is probably widely considered to have the better jits…and he might, but from what I have seen Nick integrates his much more seamlessly into his MMA game, and if it goes to the ground I would definitely favor him.
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by The American Ronin on Sep 9, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
He didn’t fought any good submission specialist lately though. He fought mainly strikers (and one wrestler in Sakurai).
Penn on the other hand fights mainly grapplers and he always looks good on the ground.
"... All reined up in old language and old assumptions, straining to jump clean-hoofed on to a whole new track of being I only suspect is there. I can't see it, because my educated, average head is being held at the wrong angle..."
by dancingChicken on Sep 9, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
True. Penn has good wrestling and great grappling overall, but he just doesn’t seem to attempt to use his BJJ offensively like Nick does.
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by The American Ronin on Sep 9, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully BJ gets this fight to the ground. Most likely it’ll be a stalemate, but I’m curious to see what happens.
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by dancingChicken on Sep 9, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Penn
Has the wrestling to get Diaz down. What he’ll be able to do there, I’m not sure. But Diaz has a very aggressive guard which could provide passing opportunities for an experienced grappler like Penn, if he can keep Nick from scrambling out.
:p - orcus
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Diaz's chin is good,
but what really sets him apart is his unreal recovery time.
The difference to me being a great chin = not getting rocked when hit with big shots (think Mark Hunt back in the day). Great recovery = looking totally fine after being on queer street just a few seconds earlier.
While I agree,
if BJ rocks him, I think he swarms and forces a stoppage before Nick has time to recover (or show the ref he has recovered).
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by The American Ronin on Sep 9, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I will eat my underwear if this is FOTY
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by RearNakedChoker on Sep 8, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It’ll be closer to beatdown of the year. If Daley can connect on Diaz as much as he did, it portends very poorly against a more technical and faster Penn.
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by Rundownloser on Sep 9, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s the exact same thing people said before the Daley fight. “If KJ/Marius/Cyborg can connect as much as they did, Daley is going to…” He came out, repeatedly tagged Nick, and then promptly got finished. Diaz will do fine.
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by Bolshevik on Sep 9, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Still interested in hearing your reasoning. If this is a terrible decision, i certainly can’t see how right now.
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by Dave Strummer on Sep 8, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Just when I think Dana White can't possibly get any dumber...
…he does something like this.
AND TOTALLY REDEEMS HIMSELF!!
Awesome fight. I don’t care if it makes sense. To me, BJ vs Condit was the main event. This is almost as good. Kinda better, but St. Pierre vs. Condit is kinda worse than before.So it evens out and all is awesome. <3
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sums it nicely
… It IS a good fight, but it’s a horrible decision if you’re trying to to make a statement about responsibility.
Awesome.
But he’ll still have to do media events and shit. I’m guessing Cesar is going to put a gun to his head and force him to go this time around.
He doesn’t really need to now. He’s not fighting for the title now. So his presence isn’t really as important as it was yesterday.
I bet Dana is thinking ‘well if he flakes now, no one will really notice and hell be beating on cans in Japan by monday’
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by Discman2 on Sep 8, 2011 8:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There are no guarantees in the UFC
Though there is obviously an implication that the winner of this fight gets the next crack at the WW title, if Nick doesn’t play the game there’s no way Dana gives him a title shot.
by MS_Dos_Santos on Sep 8, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
not nearly as much media...
as he would if he were in the main- which he showed he couldn’t handle.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Normally, no
But you don’t think he’s going to get tons of unwanted attention after this?
by zY on Sep 8, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
As opposed to the tons of positive press he was getting before?
No such thing as bad publicity- especially when selling violence.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm saying
due to the circumstances, it’s likely he gets as much or more attention as he was getting before. If his social anxiety is a large part of the issue, which I believe it is, how is this going to help? Is he going to be allowed to miss the next press conference, as well?
by zY on Sep 8, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The social anxiety thing is totally overblown and unsubstantiated.
He’s made many more pressers in his career than he’s missed.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I must not be explaining myself very well.
You initially stated Diaz couldn’t handle the attention of being a main event, and he’ll be getting less media in the co-main event, implying that this will be better for him.
Yet, how will he possibly get less media attention, while still being the comain event, after this complete fiasco? In short, how does this really change anything?
by zY on Sep 8, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't mean handle in terms of anxiety...
I meant it in terms of responsibility, and the fact is he has less responsibility by fighting BJ instead of GSP. He can turn down interviews now- can’t do that when your being counted on to have a role in the overall success of the card.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Its a great fight
but it makes 0 sense after what happened yesterday
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why?
He got punished commensurate with his crime. Missing the presser was no reason to cut him.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not saying he should be cut
but his punishment should be more than simply being demoted to “co—main event” status
24hrs ago Dana couldn’t find Diaz, now he’s co-main eventing? Something doesn’t pass the smell test
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by StillUnknown on Sep 8, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
he probably lost...
$1.7 million maybe more. That’s not a big deal?
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus sponsor money.
Still, I’d think twice before getting ino the Nick Diaz business again.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
look- he fucked up
but he didn’t “rip up the contract” fuck up. Yesterday generated a ton of attention- might as well take advantage of it while producing a great fucking fight!
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
It’s not like he no-showed the actual fight.
This should be a good match.
by Detective Squirts on Sep 8, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
this should calm down the whole...
“A great injustice was done to Nick Diaz” meme.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec.
i agree with you, but you must not know the majority of internet MMA fans, huh?
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by Victor Rodriguez on Sep 8, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
/sighs and casts eyes downwards
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't say rec
and not rec the man.
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by SentientAndroid on Sep 8, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
thought i had.
[sighs and casts eyes downwards]
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by Victor Rodriguez on Sep 8, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s all good, I’ll cosign that rec with one of my own.
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by SentientAndroid on Sep 9, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
The UFC fucked up big time by even considering that Nick Diaz was game to follow his obligations...
but to go on and cast it as an injustice against him would be nuts. Nick is not a reliable individual and, honestly, if it were up to me, I’d force the guy to either review his contract or get unceremoniously fired.
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hey-
you give a guy a chance. It’s like hiring an ex-con. I can’t fault the UFC for giving the guy a shot- now, let’s see if he learned by having someone actually call him out on his bullshit.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It makes perfect sense
It was pretty damn clear this was an option.
“Nick could be a co-main.” “Our co-main needs a guy…..”
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
Agree. It’s a great fight but I don’t see the logic. Take him out of the main event and have him co-main on the same card? If his offense was only bad enough to warrant a step down from main to co-main then why punish him in the first place? People still want to see GSP vs Diaz so this decision is really odd.
by Johnnynumber5 on Sep 8, 2011 10:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
To prove a point
and save them the head ache.
Not nearly as many media obligations for the co-main and he loses a shit load of money.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
Exactly
This seems so…obvious…how are people missing it?
Frankly it is a surprisingly evenhanded and proportionate response, all things considered…Dana must really have a soft spot for Nick…
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by The American Ronin on Sep 9, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
That loud cry you heard a couple minutes ago,don’t worry it was just Fitch.
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by KimboLeopoldo on Sep 8, 2011 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I bet this is one of the most inconvenient injuries that Fitch has had.
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by SentientAndroid on Sep 8, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get it
“I’ll never take him for his word”?
what happens if he doesn’t show up for press stuff now? And if he wins, does he get a title shot? Or maybe he’ll Fitch him?
I’ve been overwhelmed and I’ve been underwhelmed. Can I ever just be whelmed?
I feel like they just gave Diaz a second chance which I’m not a fan of. Either way
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Yes! Hoping Penn whoops his ass, then fights Carlos for the belt!
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 8, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm right there with ya
But I don’t think it’ll happen. I think GSP is gonna take him the frruck down. But although I am a mark for GSP, I’m all in for Carlos Condit right now. Fate……maybe it’s Fate…..
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I won't be betting any money on that perfecta, that's for sure.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 8, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Given lofty celestial status of your namesake,
you should already know how this plays out…or is this just classic misdirection to maximize your payout …?
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by The American Ronin on Sep 9, 2011 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
*Given the lofty
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Sep 9, 2011 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
The sad truth is that I just like the sound of that name, and thought it was appropriately grandiose as compared to some other names and opinions I saw when I first started lurking here years ago. I’ve never even read Dune.
…but no I’m just fucking with you. I know what’s gonna happen. Gotta make sure the lines are moving properly.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 9, 2011 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP will GSP condit. The safest fighter in the entire sport (GSP) just got another tailor made opponent.
by Johnnynumber5 on Sep 8, 2011 10:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Let basically repost a comment i made the other day
GSP doesn’t Fitch people. Even in the Hardy fight which was pretty fitchy, GSP was constantly pressuring for the finish.
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
I thought he meant he'd Fitch him
As in he’d beat him up like he did Fitch.
But your probably right, and also right on his lack of Fitching
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by sitnam90 on Sep 9, 2011 12:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
GSP passes guard far more than Fitch.
by discoandherpes on Sep 9, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Here’s hoping Penn beats Diaz and GSP gets KO’d by Condit, then in 6 months we get the original pairings.
by medium seen on Sep 8, 2011 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
punish title challenger
Give him BJ Penn as punishment
You can’t explain that!
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by Discman2 on Sep 8, 2011 8:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Diaz screwed the fans and Dana made them happy again – never a miscommunication.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Sep 8, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ by TKO
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by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 8, 2011 8:33 PM EDT reply actions
from your fingers to Ben Henderson's eyes...
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great fight...No idea who wins this....
both have great boxing and BJJ
A better fight
Penn vs Diaz is a better fight than GSP vs Diaz or Penn vs Condit. Great fight! On paper, Diaz is the same type of fighter BJ is minus the wrestling ability and takedown defense. If BJ fights smart, BJ Penn all the way.
These sound arguments and relevant prognostications are getting in the way of my trolling......
This is perfect
Diaz fucked up, and he lost out on a reported $2 million payday, but he still gets to ply his trade, watch Condit steal his opportunity from the front row, and give us an awesome fight. I think that the UFC handled this perfectly- pulling him off the main but keeping him on the card is a perfect punishment.
So can all of the UFC overreacted Chicken Littles calm down now?
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 16 recs
Let me be the first to say, “thank you Nick Diaz!” I still despise you, but your idiocy has benefited the fight fans.
"Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be men of courage; be strong." - 1 Corinthians 16:13
How on earth...
did he get from Strikeforce-salary to losing 2 million dollars (if he lost those, it means he would’ve earned 2 mil + whatever he gets for fighting BJ)? I find it hard to believe that his title-fight against GSP payed that big. Is this really likely to be true?
"A belt only covers two inches of your ****and the rest you need to back up on your own." Royce Gracie (allegedly...I just read it somewhere and thought it was cool for my sig!)
The report I read...
said he was to net $1m (which is probably 500 and 500) and get $2/ppv….so that’s $2.6m if the PPV were to get 800k buys.
So, he’s probably going to lose out on $1m to $2m. Then again I could use the logic some people were using yesterday regarding the presser debacle and just say “if you don’t have a copy of the contract in hand you can’t prove that figure is true”… :)
No sir, I don't like it.
Not to mention that Diaz really has to EARN a title shot now.
Unless he beats up on BJ, he isn’t going to be right back in the mix.
That won’t be a simple task, and if Dana is still mad afterwards, maybe we see Diaz vs Fitch.
I agree. Great fight, terrible decision.
There is zero chance of this being a boring fight. However, if they were worried Diaz would be a no show for the GSP fight, why wouldn’t he do the same against Penn? Horseshit.
Nevertheless, I see Penn winning this by TKO. Diaz’ terminator routine just won’t cut it against another WW with heavy hands. However, Diaz’ gas tank and durability will give Penn something to think about.
Hit straight, hit hard, lift heavy.
I feel being stripped of a title shot is punishment enough. Diaz is likely losing money both directly and indirectly because of this.
But i thought these guys trained together?
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
Penn trains in Cali every once in awhile
but a) it’s not a consistent day-in-day-out thing and b) I really don’t think Penn or Diaz are the type to care. Diaz wouldn’t fight a close friend like Jake, for instance, but a dude who passed through once or twice? Unlikely that it fazes him one bit.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 8, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
We’re not talking about a Jackson, Black House or AKA fighter here…
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by The American Ronin on Sep 9, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Penn is training in Cali for this fight,
he trains w/ the Cesar Gracie guys from time to time as well, but usually they just come by his camp and help out for a week or so.
Penn v. Condit was going to be so sick dude.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 8, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, but the problem with that fight was
I didn’t want Penn or Condit to lose.
Lol....
This has been one of the most memorable weeks in MMA ever…and there’s still a card on Saturday.
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by Tonley on Sep 8, 2011 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Battle of the Pot Heads
CarrotTop4: Who exactly said Tim Tebow couldn't win the Heisman??
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by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 8, 2011 8:36 PM EDT reply actions
This looks a bit like
DW actually wanted Condit originally and Nick just opened the door juuuuust a tiny bit to let DW do what he wanted.
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by halitosis on Sep 8, 2011 9:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
CarrotTop4: Who exactly said Tim Tebow couldn't win the Heisman??
AlabamaJammer: dunno. I don't care. He's in the pros now.
And we have crocodile tears to prove it.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Sep 8, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Me > Ben Henderson
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by Krimson on Sep 8, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Child please
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by KimboLeopoldo on Sep 8, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought he was saying ‘Japanese’.
'....and if you can't fuck with that, you must be celibate.'
by Victor Rodriguez on Sep 8, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oh my god
I have no idea who to root for now. Dana’s gonna cause me to do a Diaz and have a meltdown
I thought either this or get Fitch'd
This makes plenty of sense because dude is amidst a camp. The punishment is obviously no longer getting the title shot. This is an absolutely SICK fight, though. I can’t wait for this.
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
This is me reporting in.
Others believe Penn vs. Diaz is a dream fight that is much more intriguing.
Y'know what I think? Don't really matter what I think. Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics and all that shit just goes right out the window.
fuck this
ill still watch it but fuck this
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It's like telling a dog "bad boy! Bad boy!" And then proceed to give it a treat.
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That's my parenting technique
What else am I gonna do with a 3-year-old daughter making doe eyes at me and going, “Daddy”?
Y'know what I think? Don't really matter what I think. Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics and all that shit just goes right out the window.
I find this works well...not pretty, but effective...
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by The American Ronin on Sep 9, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
a fearless Hawaiian treat that has a notion to fuck people up in real time.
plus losing a main event slot that may have netted him PPV points = less money.
plus ill will of the fans [even his own].
yeah. a treat.
'....and if you can't fuck with that, you must be celibate.'
by Victor Rodriguez on Sep 8, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
It’s like telling a dog “bad boy!” then slapping him and giving him 1/5th of the entire treat that you were going to give him.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, losing around $1.5 - 2 million isn't much of a treat.
at least that’s what folks have been saying. how’d he end up getting that much for the GSP fight anyways?
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
how’d he end up getting that much for the GSP fight anyways?
Cesar Gracie’s masterstroke. The boxing contract was just elegant and inspired- he played it perfectly.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Too bad it didn't take...
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by Dave Strummer on Sep 8, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I have been glued to the computer/mobile for 72 hours. This is ridiculous.
Hit straight, hit hard, lift heavy.
by Doomrider on Sep 8, 2011 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
UFC, just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this...
And totally redeem yourself!!
by medium seen on Sep 8, 2011 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 33 recs
Perfect!
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by xFenixKnightx on Sep 8, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha. It was in my head as soon as I heard the announcment.
But 25 recs?! I’ve never known such glory. I bought pre-sale tix for this one, and felt duped, but now I’m elated again. Get ready Vegas, two GSP hatin’ Canadians are coming down. War Condit!
If they are going to be dog headed and continue to book Diaz, they should rework his contract.
For every presser he misses he should receive a financial penalty on his show purse.
It’s still stupid but it should make for a good fight.
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he just received a HUGE financial penalty
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
As of this particular fight, yes, but what if they continue to employ him and he, by some crazy voodoo mixed with some Forbidden Psychological Technology, ends up becoming the champ, then what? Are you gonna keep canceling bouts when he no-shows?
Nope. You fine the guy and get on with the hsow and that’s it.
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For the first time in Diaz's career...
a promoter didn’t just take his bullshit. Believe me- for him to get a title shot again, there are going to be very strict limits and assurances made- I wouldn’t be shocked if he had to win 2 to get one.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It's still a very risky proposition.
They should just take it from his show purse and call it a day. if they had done that, they’d still have the main event intact, and they would be a little less poor given Nick’s penchant to skip pressers.
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I don't think that they can legally take it from his purse.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
a pay cut is probably just a better idea anyway. don’t know where anyone gets the idea of fining him.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Sep 8, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Not unless he had a clause of that sort in his contract.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:39 PM EDT reply actions
I was about to mention how hard this fight would be to pick
On one side, you have BJ’s great striking that just beats Diaz’s, and his superior wrestling
On the other, you know Diaz will be there to fight (if he is there) and can go for a really long time even in a war.
I’ve got to give it to BJ, but it’s tight.
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I just have to go with the better fighter
which is BJ, but a case for Diaz would be pretty easy to make.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as he doesn't take needless shots like he did against Cyborg or Daley.
His relentless pace alone would be enough to complicate things for BJ, and Diaz doesn’t Fitch people.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
What's the point in regard to the title?
The point of bringing in Diaz was to have a fresh body for GSP to fight.
If Diaz beats BJ it would most likely be for the #1 Contender and were back where we started with Diaz in a main event title fight with GSP and the nonsense that comes with it.
If it’s just meant to be a fun fight then great, but I think this might eliminate one contender while producing one who already passed on the opportunity.
All said though this is an amazing fight and I really can’t fucking wait!
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Condit's a fresh body.
a dangerous one with a killer instinct and few gaps in his game that’s still evolving.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Sep 8, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
And for GSP it keeps him the fuck away from Anderson Silva for at least another year pretty much putting that to an end, as if it wasn’t already.
by memitim on Sep 8, 2011 9:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Anderson Silva is fucking people up, what makes you think an undersized middleweight would be any different?
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That’s the point. I don’t think Georges wants any part of Anderson, and it’s understandable. The more opponents he has in the WW division the longer it pushes off the Silva/GSP fight, and Silva is not getting any younger. I think this chain of events essentially ends any chance of GSP fighting Anderson, if there ever was one to begin with.
by memitim on Sep 8, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just don't see why GSP would want any part of Anderson more than he would want any part of, say, Shogun or Machida.
Unless Silva goes down I don’t care, really, and even if he did, at 36 years old, who knows how he would turn up.
The fight doesn’t interest me.
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Then you're insane.
The idea that the fight would be a blowout for Silva because he’s bigger is crazy to me. GSP has all the tools to win that fight. It would’ve been amazing.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 8, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's pure hype. We have zero reason to assume that fight could even be competitive.
Just b/c the two guys have straps does not mean that is a good fight to make. their body types are just too different at this point.
If Anderson can make 170, then fine, but if not, why force it?
Okami is stronger than GSP and more grappler minded and he could not take Anderson down, not with his judo and not with his wrestling. GSP is smaIler, weaker but with a better shot, but that’s it. he’s not a better striker and he’s got no better reflexes.
I don’t care about the fight. Period.
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GSP has a fair enough chance in that
And another thing I’ve noticed with him that I’d think Silva would have some trouble with is his timing is very hard to get down. He mixes range strikes with takedowns and occasional close-up strikes. Anderson does great against one dimensional opponents, and GSP offers a lot of threats Anderson’s last few opponents as of late have not. We know that Anderson relies on timing a lot and I just don’t think he could get GSP’s down before GSP starts his own offense.
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For GSP to be aggresive he would have to get *in* to throw his own strikes.
Either that or take the guy whom Okami, a big and strong middleweight who trains with the likes of Sonnen, couldn’t take down.
Now, assuming he takes him down; then what? Will he pound him out, sub him out? has GSP given us reason to assume he will do that? No, he hasn’t. What follows, then?
What follows is GSP getting trounced, or GSP Fitching Anderson for 5 rounds.
Yay… :(
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he hasn’t. What follows, then?
Yes he has. I swear to god, MMA fans have the memory and attention span of a gold fish.
Also, GSP is a tremendous striker. Not as gifted as Silva in that area of course, but still elite. If Sonnen can out strike Silva due to the looming threat of his wrestling, i don’t see why GSP couldn’t give him problems to a greater extent with the same wrestling threat but also with much faster, more varied, and much more skilled striking.
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I agree
And I would argue that GSP’s MMA Wrestling is significantly better than Sonnen’s in everything except arguably the clinch game. Sonnen, who was 207 in the cage iirc is bigger and more reckless than GSP, but that’s about it.
Can’t see GSP finishing Anderson though…
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by The American Ronin on Sep 9, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
What follows is GSP getting trounced, or GSP Fitching Anderson for 5 rounds.
This much at least is likely…
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by The American Ronin on Sep 9, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
"he’s not a better striker and he’s got no better reflexes"
Okami? Incorrect.
I meant Silva. He's a better triker with better reflexes than GSP.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
We also have zero reason to assume that it wouldn't be competitive either
If fighting was based on your bullshit conjectures then there’d be no reason for fighters to fight. Period.
We won’t know how he does until they do. And the natural progression of a in combat sports is to move up in weight once you’ve cleaned house at your own.
I’m glad you don’t care about the fight, but you can be sure others do and will.
hold up
GSP isn’t a better striker than Okami?
by Our Bovine Public on Sep 9, 2011 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions
You may be right about Silva v GSP
but Okami’s TDs do NOT = GSP’s TDs.
GSP is the superior wrestler and grappler. (GSP’s striking is also better than Okami’s, but I assume you meant his striking was worse than Anderson’s).
Are you serious?
With type of strength training GSP does I suspect his functional strength would be at least the equal of Okami’s, not that it matters. GSP is far quicker, faster, more athletic and with vastly better takedowns and far better striking overall.
He and Anderson would be about the same weight in the cage, although Anderson would of course have a significant height advantage.
GSP would take Anderson down pretty consistently, as would any elite MMA Wrestler, of which Okami is not close to being.
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by The American Ronin on Sep 9, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think GSP is worried with Silva as much as all the other guys in the division he would have to face and stands a good chance of losing to.
GSP matches up very well with Silva, but against guys like Sonnen, Maia, Munoz, and Okami, he would struggle badly and tarnish his career and be forced to move back down. Jumping around in wieght could forever change his ability as a fighter
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Not sure if serious...
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by The American Ronin on Sep 10, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
so did the UFC overreact?
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
They underreacted, inmho. In a lot of ways.
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Yes. This all works out fine and dandy and should be fun but I was sold on Diaz v GSP. I was looking forward to that match. I think this is a good way for them to show Georges respect but I still think pulling him from the title fight for missing a press conference was an overreaction.
alright- you're still wrong.
He got a punishment, and oen that to me was perfectly commensurate with the crime. I’m actually really impressed with the way the UFC handled this. They could have gotten bitter and pulled Diaz from the card, made him jump through some hoops to get another fight, but they just took him away from the opportunity that he wasn’t ready for and still gave him an opportunity to complete his camp and showcase his skills.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not wrong, neither are you, it’s an opinion. They could have gotten bitter, booted him all together and they would have wound up with a crap show that was supposed to be a big seller. Now they get to benefit from all of Diaz’s crazy that makes him sell, pay him less, and get their hot selling show. I will always stand by the fact that the UFC is consistently smart in what they do, whether it is right or wrong.
i'm so confused
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I think what happened was...
UFC has had a down year on PPV, outside of Brock, GSP is their golden boy and they freaked at the chance Nick was going to no show the medicals or spook some of the public into thinking the fight wasn’t going to happen. The second they had a reason to dump him out of the main event and put a guy like Condit in they jumped at the chance.
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Please beat Alistair Overeem. That is all.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 8, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
marry me.
'....and if you can't fuck with that, you must be celibate.'
by Victor Rodriguez on Sep 8, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I just want to say that I commissioned this picture,
that is all.
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 8, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
"Monumental failure"
Really? Do you even read what you type? How in any way, shape, or form could a card with GSP slotted at the top be a monumental failure? UFC 124 had a co-main event of Stefan Struve vs. Sean McCorkle and still did an impressive 785k buys. While I’m happy BJ vs. Diaz is on, this card would have done just fine with or without Nick Diaz. Ridiculous statement.
by Alpha & Omega on Sep 8, 2011 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
UFC was hoping for epic buys for this card. No Diaz hurts that number big time. It would have been a failure without something else at this point. Meltzer was even saying that they were panicking. Here’s their answer.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 8, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's overstating it a bit.
Plus, when Dana said “you guys would think I’m nuts” if he revealed who he was trying to get for Penn, I took it as he was referring to Diaz. I don’t think that this was a last minute panic move at all. And Meltzer’s been wrong tons of times.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If you really don’t think you’re exaggerating the situation, I don’t know what to tell you.
by Alpha & Omega on Sep 8, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Wacky but makes more sense then the title shot. He should have to at least beat a top contender in the UFC.
Really funny that I was just txting my friend saying I hope they give Diaz another shot and him and Penn fight. Then I saw this.
Good to see
Diaz will now get his ass handed to him on a silver platter by a much better, much smaller fighter.
WAR PENN
by rockyman500 on Sep 8, 2011 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It wouldn’t surprise me if GSP had a big hand in this flip flop. Not to duck Nick at all but he probably was in Dana’s ear the second Nick didn’t show up saying:
“Dis is bullsheet. Dis guy was not eeven in da UFC and he gets a title shot. I have to stop doing my gymnastiques and go on a press door and dis guy, who talks a lot bout mee for years doesn’t even show up? Dis not right, geeve da fight to Conduit, he deserves eet more. Let Neek fight BJ. Show me da reespect Dana!”
And Dana was probably going out of his mind listening to this on the UFC plane from Toronto to Vegas and said “Ok, fuck eet, I’ll do eet! Alright, Georges?”
by memitim on Sep 8, 2011 8:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 16 recs
Best shit memitim has ever written?
That was damn funny
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by hardlyworking on Sep 8, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Winner.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 9, 2011 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions
This has been
one of the best weeks of mma news EVAR.
by av1o3 on Sep 8, 2011 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
seriously
Dear Brock Lesnar,
Please beat Alistair Overeem. That is all.
Sincerely, Me
by Earl Montclair on Sep 8, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
haha YES!
1st Brock vs The REEM, then Nick goes Diaz, then a fight I’ve been wanting for years gets made!
Not to mention the announcement of Bendo/Guida! Anyone, anyone…ah fuck it, it’s just me then.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Sep 8, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No dude its not just you
Had the rest of this week not happened, I would have masturbated myself into a stupor over that fight
Dear Brock Lesnar,
Please beat Alistair Overeem. That is all.
Sincerely, Me
by Earl Montclair on Sep 9, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
um...
oh…ok?
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Sep 9, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
why
It’s a fun fight but why not just do what was originally planned?
My dad, who thinks everything n mma is fixed will laugh with glee at this
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Diaz vs. Penn now? This means WAR!
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by morganc on Sep 8, 2011 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 18 recs
This
Is just fucking fantastic.
Goldie: Michael Jordanesque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter
Rogan (with a sound of disgust in his voice): No, no, no he is not.
Goldie: He is not that good?
by HeadKickOfDoom on Sep 8, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
where in the fuck is this from?
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
actual video from Iraq.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Yyou mean the US has made an alliance with the Koopa Kingdom?
I though they didn’t deal with terrorists.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Bowser got some connects on the inside.
Soon as my flow starts, I compose art like the ghost of Mozart
Even though they all say that they're real, I know that most aren't
Boy you think you're clever don't you, girl you think you're so smart
Come with me to another side of the world... so cold and so dark
Not to mention some WMD's of his own.
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aren't they supporting
al qaeda in libya right now? /politics
by Armleglegarm Head on Sep 9, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
No, Bowser just realized defense contracting is where the money is
Boeing, Lockheed, Koopa
by Damnatio Memoriae on Sep 9, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
that's just straight up gangsta
Soon as my flow starts, I compose art like the ghost of Mozart
Even though they all say that they're real, I know that most aren't
Boy you think you're clever don't you, girl you think you're so smart
Come with me to another side of the world... so cold and so dark
FUCK YES!!
Where is this from, and why haven’t I seen it before?
:O
Nerdgasm! Who knew Bullet Bill packed so much power! All Mario does is jump on top of them to take them out.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Sep 8, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
God I love this one.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 9, 2011 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I knew the day would come where I would have to choose between these two.
They’re the two guys I’ve been following the most since I’ve been a fan of MMA.
This is like Chocolate vs. Peanut Butter for me. If only they could combine into some ultimate Reeses MMA Bad Ass.
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Dear Brock Lesnar,
Please beat Alistair Overeem. That is all.
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 8, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
same goes for Lesnar
it’s a heel haircut
Dear Brock Lesnar,
Please beat Alistair Overeem. That is all.
Sincerely, Me
by Earl Montclair on Sep 8, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
& possibly
a shirt with buttons that work
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
thanks Mr. Happy
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Won't happen due to injury? Wait..... What did you say again?
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by morganc on Sep 8, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
guilty
Y'know what I think? Don't really matter what I think. Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics and all that shit just goes right out the window.
who is the chick?
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
Technically, I'm not a stalker
She said hi to me once, in passing, after I broke into her apartment, to stare at her all night.
I dont know what this meme is but it seems badass
Me > Ben Henderson
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mmalogic + alcohol + a lot of money on Rogers vs. Fedor = greatness
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Rogers vs Overeem
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 8, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That has to be one of the worst bets in the history of betting.
by Horselover Fat on Sep 9, 2011 5:21 AM EDT up reply actions
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!! Dontcha know?
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by morganc on Sep 9, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Penn vs. Diaz?!
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by Noah'sArk on Sep 8, 2011 8:51 PM EDT reply actions 15 recs
That man is a....
Gracie black belt
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
yep
Dear Brock Lesnar,
Please beat Alistair Overeem. That is all.
Sincerely, Me
by Earl Montclair on Sep 8, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Very serious.
He’s been training for 17 years now under one of the best instructors.
That is funny
As in an episode of Modern Family (the show he is one now), he is teaching his grown son to fight, and says something like this “So I learned this move from the Gracie’s”.
Did not know he is a legit black belt.
Goldie: Michael Jordanesque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter
Rogan (with a sound of disgust in his voice): No, no, no he is not.
Goldie: He is not that good?
by HeadKickOfDoom on Sep 8, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
have you seen the video on youtube...
of the lead singer from Tool hip tossing a fan who ran on stage, taking his back, sinking his hooks in and setting the choke, all while singing a song? Pretty awesome…
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact that it's the lead singer from Tool
takes away some of the awesomeness.
I am totally indifferent towards Tool...
but the video rocks..
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
all you know about them is what they sold ya….
They did the best show I’ve seen.
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Sep 8, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tool is amazing
but their fans are douche bags that make them look bad.
As an MMA fan, I thought you’d be more sympathetic.
Maynard comes off as
a douche-bag in person as well.
Their music is ok, I guess? Kinda just a king crimson rip-off if you ask me.
I have not seen this
Didn’t know Maynard’s jits was so solid. Just watched the video, he literally didn’t miss a beat.
Goldie: Michael Jordanesque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter
Rogan (with a sound of disgust in his voice): No, no, no he is not.
Goldie: He is not that good?
by HeadKickOfDoom on Sep 8, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
right?
showed some good fucking form.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Literally man
He goes from the Judo throw, immediately taking dude’s back.
I laughed at the fact that while Maynard is putting him to sleep, dude just keeps pumping his fist to the music like an idiot.
Goldie: Michael Jordanesque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter
Rogan (with a sound of disgust in his voice): No, no, no he is not.
Goldie: He is not that good?
by HeadKickOfDoom on Sep 8, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
what else was he gonna do?
Spin into guard and start pounding?
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Cause he couldn't be anyMORE badass
Me > Ben Henderson
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by Krimson on Sep 8, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait 'till you find out about the Faceless Men from A Game of Thrones.
Straightup mean motherfuckers.
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Valar Morghulis
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I serve
Y'know what I think? Don't really matter what I think. Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics and all that shit just goes right out the window.
All men serve
All men die
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Valas Dohaeris motherfucker.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Valar Morghulis
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
I dont know what you guys are talking about but once I get my ass to finishing Firefly, it’s a battle to start either Doctor Who or Game of Thrones. Leaning towards Game of Thrones here
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GoT
even though nothing will ever be better than Firefly.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Sep 8, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
what's Firefly?
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Take my Love, Take my land
And that’s all I know
Fuck what you heard, I’m all about Kaylee right now
Me > Ben Henderson
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by Krimson on Sep 8, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Always been a River man myself
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Word.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Sep 9, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
The episode where she wore a dress for the party coming out losing her mind at all the festivities sealed the deal.
And Summer Glau is the Natalie Portman for nerds
Me > Ben Henderson
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And Summer Glau is the Natalie Portman for nerds
I am comfortable with this
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
I'll be in my bunk.
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by Tonley on Sep 8, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hahaha
Winner
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by hardlyworking on Sep 9, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention it is where we got to meet Christina Hendrickson for the first time.
by memitim on Sep 8, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't you ever talk to me again, man...
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You best be trollin' bro
"Anderson Silva is the best fighter in MMA today. If you don't enjoy watching him fight, you have no heart." - Fraser Coffeen
I have no idea what Firefly is.
I get it- I’m a big fucking loser. Can someone now please explain what the fuck it is??
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0303461/
it’s a sci-fi series created by Joss Whedon (the guy who did buffy)
it’s…
it’s okay. it’s not as great as a lot of people make it out to be.
by Pyrgz Krum on Sep 8, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ban
it’s okay. it’s not as great as a lot of people make it out to be.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Sep 8, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
not a book?
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
and a movie.
And many, many nerd tears.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Space opera + western + Joss Whedon.
14-episode run, cancelled way too early by Fox, got a follow-up (and final) movie 3 years after cancellation (“Serenity”).
It’s about a war veteran and his crew of mercenaries looking for work in a beat-up spaceship while transporting a preacher, space whore, and two intergalactic fugitives. Way better than it sounds.
You’re damn right.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 8, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Be wary of starting GoT....
it’s a great series, but the end is nowhere in sight and he comes out with a new book about every 5-7 years. So, if you start, you’ll love the first 3 books, but get ready for disappointment and lots and lots of waiting.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
A Dance with Dragons was fucking awesome.
The Prince that was promised bit was kind shuffled under the rug for a while but kinda returned big time near the end.
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disagree
loved the first 500 pages, but I thought that it lost it’s focus and started stalling for the last 400. How do you end the book with no resolution in Mereen? How do you have 5 chapters of Stannis being stuck in a blizzard? Why would Snow stay at the wall as a new recruit when his family was going to war, yet leave the Wall as Lord Commander after he created the most volatile environment possible? That’s just the tip of the iceberg of what I didn’t like about it- whereas he created an incredible environment in the beginning in which no one was safe, no everyone is safe! I’m so invested and in it for the long haul, but I think he really fucked it up. Let’s see where the next one goes…
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Odd.
I started loving it by the end ’cause all the pieces seemed to finally be aligning hardcore.
Daenerys seems poised to get a true earth stomping Khalasar, Davos sets sail to get the Luigi of the Stark Bros, Jon Snows seems poised to be the Prince that was Promised (read between the lines: you get smoke, salt, and a bloodied star in that scene), jaime sets off to meet Lady Cuntfucker, and Sam is in the Citadel poised to learn some big shit, Sansa is gonna start playing the Game of Thrones herself it seems, and Arya is doing her training montages somewhere in shittown, and Bran is finally learning how to kick some ass (remember when JRR got asked whether you could warg into a dragon and he just said “No comment”?), and Tyrion is gonna plot some nice shit.
All in all I’m fine with how the story is going.
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I avoided actually reading these two posts
Because I’m only a quarter of the way through Feast for Crows, but for as slowly as this one’s been going I’m enjoying the setup.
Just don't expect instant payback. By the time you have kids, though, and they are getting married, you'll be happy to know it was worth it.
It better fucking be…
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Feast was the toughest one to get through, by far.
But you need to get through it to get to greener pastures.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
holy shit wasn;t that ridiculous!?
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
continued...
a girl who has experienced more life and demonstrated more wisdom than any other 15 y.o. in the history of literature regreessed into an indecisive, lovesick pre-teen? That sucked!
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
They were showing you the sad fact that Daenerys was still a child and needed strong councel.
People fuck up all the time, and 15 year olds, no matter how wise, fuck up in even more. She only did it in function of her responsibilities. I mean, you have to be really thick headed to stick around a place where you are not wanted but she did so anyway while everyone around her kept telling her exactly what you are saying (Barristan even went so far as to say that she was still just a child).
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing has ever been worse than Stalingrad.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
she wasn't looking for strong council!
she was looking for a big dick on a bad boy.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
SO? Plenty of smart chicks fuck it up. let's all remember she's not a woman, she's a bundle of 16 y/o hormones packing dragons.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
dude-
I’m not telling you what to think about the book- cut that shit out with me. This isn’t an objective study, it’s a subjective experience and I experienced it differently than you. I’m not missing anything here sop stop trying to fill in gaps that aren’t there. Capiche?
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
No. I want you to think like I do. otherwise you'll keep being wrong and then die in infamy.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It is known
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Sep 9, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I like where it's going...
but the plot development is really glacial. Now GRRM is doubting that he can get it wrapped up in 7, I dunno- it certainly wasn’t a chore for me to get through (like Crows was at times), but it just doesn’t get anywhere quick enough. Too many pointless diversions and side adventures in which nothing happens, the exhastive descriptions of food and clothes- he’s writing as a celebrity, not as the hungry dude he started as, and I can tell the difference.
Take the way he handled Griff and Rhaegar- they got their army, hired ships and made it to Westeros in 3 chapters. Dany has been unable to do this in 4 books. He needs more movement like that, and less wandering in the woods.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, JRRM has single handedly developed what I like to call The Fantasy/Slice-of-Life genre.
When I told my brother that he just said “Fuck that. I’m waiting.”
The overall thing as I see it, is that Dany isn’t supposed to go to Westeros as a conqueror as she originally wanted to go, but as a liberator of sorts, which sets her up perfectly to fucking fail in the end—just look the kind of fate everyone’s gotten so far.
And in the end, I don’t think he is writing as a celebrity. He is writing as a geriatric dude who has a million things going on in his life other than writing.
Dude is fucking old and shuffling a million different projects.
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he's only 64
whatever- it’s cool- you and many others are perfectly content with the last few books and his process, I and many others are not. C’est la vie. I know one thing though- I’ll never again start another series that isn’t already complete.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear you there.
But since I like to rehas a bunch of the same stuff I read while I read other things I’m okay with it.
But I can see how people would get pissed at his taking a billion years to get shit done as he keeps slapping cliffhangers left and right.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i kind of wish he’d do a time skip, just jump forward a few years. boom!
he wouldn’t… but it’d be rad if he did.
if only to see what older Rickon is like! i’m calling it – he’s gonna be conan the barbarian, only moreso
DwD was supposed to start...
5 years later.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I'm with you there, but the old man said he found himself using a lot of flashbacks so he didn't.
That and he couldn’t justify the reason why the Other would wait to stage an invasion for 5 years. i was like “Dude, we don’t know anything about them. You can justify it later on.”
I’d have preferred the time skip, yes.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it's awesome.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 9, 2011 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
HO. LEE.
CRAP.
i’m not normally given to conspiracy theories but…my head is spinning right now.
ideas? got a head full/one-man penny dreadful
Yeah- huge conspiracy...
for the UFC to swap out hugely successful fights for moderately successful fights.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
are you
sure about that?
besides, the entire weight of drama is raising the profile of this entire event.
kind of fostering a ‘you don’t want to miss this’ kind of vibe.
ideas? got a head full/one-man penny dreadful
that Diaz-GSP is bigger than...
Condit-GSP and Penn-Diaz? Yes, quite sure. But yes- yesterdays pub certainly raised the profile, and you have to credit the UFC for taking advantage of it. This was no conspiracy though.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess what i'm saying
is that i don’t necessarily buy that this was all happenstance.
ok, now i sound crazy to myself.
ideas? got a head full/one-man penny dreadful
Conspiracy to
force prominent UFC fighters to take bouts against training partners!
by Armleglegarm Head on Sep 9, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m gonna go out on a limb and call that they will sort things out with Diaz and put him up against BJ.
by Sam Cupitt on Sep 8, 2011 4:33 AM PDT reply actions
That is all.
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by Sam Cupitt on Sep 8, 2011 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
there were lots of us...
who called this.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yes but I put it in a quotation box in this article. So all kudos go to me.
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by Sam Cupitt on Sep 8, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
I'll rec it cause I've shamelessly done this before.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 8, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Good
Diaz should’ve gotten one fight in the UFC to justify a shitle tot.
Then again, Condit is slightly above Dan Hardy as far as earning a legitimate title shot so…..
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
This means
Hendo won’t be getting the unification match he wants. Both Diaz and Overeem are fighting for a shot now.
by av1o3 on Sep 8, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ellenberger-MacDonald-Kim
are more than ONE step above Hardy. Way more.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a very good set of WWs
But he barely beat Ellenberger when he was near KTFO’d and was 7 seconds from losing to Rory.
Stun Gun is a legitimate feather in his cap which is why I’d rather he’d have faced Penn.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
So?
He still beat those dudes, which almost no one else has been able to do. Who do you think was more deserving?
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Jon Fitch.
But he’s not ready and he’d get stomped on again.
I’m a big Condit fan but this is not really a deserved title shot at all.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
Can't give a guy a shot..
off a draw.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Or worse...what if he wins??
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
nightmare
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm glad Diaz is back in
This just means that Condit will be the one who gets taken down repeatedly and not not finished for five rounds, and Diaz-Penn should be an action packed fight no matter where the fight goes. It will be interesting to see how Nick’s boxing and ground game stack up against B.J’s. And I’m glad to see two Jackson guys having to fight one another, hopefully it won’t be the last time.
It's called Fitching. And yes, Condit is very susceptible to it.
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If BI wins he should get a title shot
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by Victor Rodriguez on Sep 8, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
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If BIWhen BJ wins he should get a title shot
Fixed
by itsnotthatserious on Sep 8, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Only if Condit wins.
It will be hard to spin a 3rd match unless he does something drastic. Maybe start training with the Marinoviches again.
All bullshit aside, Nick Diaz vs. BJ Penn is a sick fight. Diaz might get beaten to the punch, and if there’s ever been a fight that I could predict to end via cut, it’s this one thanks to Diaz’s face meeting BJ’s jab, but Diaz will bring it. Should these two end up on the ground, it’ll be a treat to watch as well.
Now, on to the bullshit. I never thought that one day a main event would be scrapped with one fighter getting pulled for negative reasons, then have him back on the card replacing the guy who replaced him the next day. That’s ridiculous.
How does Dana White explain this? Diaz missed two press conferences and bullshitted him, and he’s stripped of a title fight? That’s it? That’s just as detrimental to the UFC as it is Diaz, they had already put effort into promoting the GSP/Diaz match up.
It’s all weird, but I’m glad Diaz is still fighting.
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I get what you mean
But why does Dana have to explain this to anyone outside the company? What % of potential PPV buyers give a shit exactly? I think it’s a small portion, basically people who either write for or frequent sites like BE.
by Anton Chigurh on Sep 8, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope Penn unleashes this on Diaz
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by Noah'sArk on Sep 8, 2011 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Diaz having a much, much better standup that Diego kinda makes me think it won't be the case.
But Nick’s weird custom of going right in and reciving punishment when in range may be of no help, either. We’ll see.
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Penn has very good boxing with lots of power and he does a better job at mixing up strikes than Diaz. As you pointed out, Diaz is alway willing to sacrifice defense to land his own shot, which could get him busted up bad against Penn. Both men have iron chins, but Diaz’ paper thin skin could get the fight stopped.
"Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be men of courage; be strong." - 1 Corinthians 16:13
Diaz's chin isn't exactly indestructible
it’s more that he’s really good at recovering. Diaz get’s dropped in most of his fights but he recovers well.
That’s a good point. Let’s not forget either that Penn’s killer instinct when he has someone hurt is among the best in the sport. Diaz might not get a chance to recover.
"Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be men of courage; be strong." - 1 Corinthians 16:13
Yup
thats how I think it’s going to go down. Diaz likes to keep going forward too and BJ normally takes out people who try to do that to him.
let's also not forget...
that Diaz has a HUGE cardio advantage.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It's going to be like the Fitch fight
if BJ is going to lose, it’s going to be in the third round.
Do you think he was really motivated to train cardio for the Fitch fight?
This fight seems like one he can get his heart into, and come in as LW beast BJ
Anderson Silva is, and forever will be the greatest of all time.
Where can I buy my Cerrone cowboy hat?
yeah but BJ’s cardio won’t be as much of a problem against a guy who he doesn’t have to worry about grappling with or trying to put their weight on him and tire him out.
BJ has only had trouble against bigger stronger wrestlers. Diaz won’t have that advantage. If this fight stays standing up, which it most likely will, then BJ should be fine.
"Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be men of courage; be strong." - 1 Corinthians 16:13
true
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
Boxing at a way faster pace than you’re used to is extremely exhausting.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
But BJ has never gassed in a fight that wasn’t grapple-heavy.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
He's never had a stand up fight
at nearly the pace Nick will bring.
For the most part, he dictates the pace. Frankie didn’t let him. neither did Georges.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
I’m inclined to agree that Diaz has a good shot at winning by dictating the pace of the striking and gradually wearing Penn down. However BJ still looked pretty fresh for the first three rounds of either Frankie fight, so Nick will have to really bring it (but we know he will).
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
I don’t feel that will be a factor. BJ will beat Nick to the punch and pick him apart. That’ll slow Nick down enough.
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
That's not how either guy fights
BJ is comfortable standing in the pocket and the much taller, longer Diaz walks you down constantly.
Not only that, if Diaz throws 10 times more punches(which is entirely possible) BJ has to react and fight at his pace.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
10 times more punches...
is a gross exaggeration.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 9, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Only when your name isn't Scott Smith.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 9, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
True
4 or 5 times is more realistic.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
3 sounds more like it.
We may end up having a tired BJ in our hands if the shit hits the fan.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 9, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I was being a smart ass :p
Everyone knows the old saying:
“Nobody likes a tired BJ.”
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
What’s the reach difference between the two?
I think the cardio difference will be the telling factor. This is a 5 rounder isn’t it as a co-main event?
It's 3 rounds
only main events get 5 rounders. So the cardio advantage won’t be as significant.
What that gif doesn't show
is that Diego was hurt pretty bad before that gif starts.
Oh I remember
Diego was badly hurt in the first minute of that fight and never recovered.
Still, even when dropped by a Paul Daley hook, Diaz doesn’t move away.
He was hurt in the first
and he got hurt again right before the cut happened. That’s why he was backing up like that.
Also...
that’s Marinovich, 155 B.J. in that gif- this BJ is a different incarnation.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugliest high kick ever,
and he splits Diego’s fucking brow open like a piñata.
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 8, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Diego is one of us, he is allowed to split open like a piñata.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The only gif in this thread that properly explains this news.
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Sep 8, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve seen this gif so many times, but it never ever fails to make me laugh out loud. Well played, sir.
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when was the last time we were suppposed to trust you?
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
When sandvilage said
that one time when he…….
when he said that guy was good cause he….
Fuck if I know.
by itsnotthatserious on Sep 8, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Penn is going to get his ass beat
CANT WAIT- Bart Scott voice
BJ in top control is a death sentence.
Nick Diaz is about to find out what actual GOOD Boxing and WORLD CLASS BJJ is all about via BJ Penn.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
This is funny
I like how BJ put Fitch to death with top control. Oh wait…
by mortarz on Sep 8, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
5 min rounds suck.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Penn's "World Class" BJJ is one of the most overrated things in MMA
Cant remember it ever doing him any good.
so true
he hasn’t used it for a loooong time.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean his head bouncing on the mat is not BJJ?
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Sure he has
but I don’t understand him liking to strike primarily makes people think he somehow forgot the skills that made him one of the best black belts on earth.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
tell me the fight...
that shows that his world class BJJ skills (which cannot be denied) have translated to world class MMA BJJ.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Pulver
Hughes #1, parts of GSP#1 Fitch
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Pulver and Hughes 1- yes. GSP #1, no, Fitch- no. You gotta go back years to get those examples.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh... "no"
guess that settles it then.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Sep 8, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just don’t agree that those displays were world class. GSP was able to pass and hold him down, and the Fitch fight (while very impressive) was more a function of his offensive wrestling than his BJJ.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
are you dumb? he made kenny florian look like a bum off the streets and submitted him asap. People forget quickly.
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Sep 8, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
calm down with the name calling, kid
I’ve never talked to you like that— so talk like an adult or go back to the little kids table.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 9, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Bloody Elbow has a little kids table?!
I wanna sit there.
I’ll take the empty spot between subo and mmalogic.
"Anderson Silva is the best fighter in MMA today. If you don't enjoy watching him fight, you have no heart." - Fraser Coffeen
I think how quickly he rose to the rank of black belt and so efficiently learned the art. It just naturally came to him at a young age but I haven’t seen those skills in a long time and i don’t think today he can be considered one of the best BJJ black belts on earth.
He WAS
and what I am saying is that it seems unlikely that he has somehow gotten a lot worse just because he likes boxing more in a MMA fight.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
I agree, he was. Definitely. But, that is something you have to work on constantly and BJ’s training over these years began to mimic a certain Russian’s who used to have such a beautiful ground game.
The difference between BJ and Fedor is
BJ has preferred boxing ever since he started mma. Fedor on the other hand used his ground game more.
good analogy
they also both have mountains of natural talent, and it can be difficult to progress when you start out at such a high level.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
And when you insulate yourself with the same training camp as well, with little deviations, as both men typically do.
I want...
Marinovich BJ back!
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Marinovich worked BJ’s ass off and it had great results. I feel strongly that there are a couple of guys in MMA (Fedor, Brock, BJ) who would benefit so much by going to spend a cmap with one of the top teams. I can’t wait to see what Bigfoot Silva’s striking looks like Saturday night after a few weeks sparring with JDS. Those are the guys that are winning these days, because they are working on multiple disciplines with some of the best.
See, I just don't see it,
Fedor yes. Brock spends time with some of the best trainers and HW sparring partners available in the world. I don’t think a “camp” is the magic formula that will help him. After all, Greg Nelson, Comprido, Peter Welich Erik Paulson—to name just a few—are about as good as it gets.
And while BJ suffers from motivational problems, and could probably use the stability of a camp, he does sparsat least with a whole bunch of very good fighters, and mixes up who comes into his camp very well.
Fedor, on the other hand works, consistently hard, but hasn’t evolved or brought in new people/partners.
Fedor never had much natural talent the way BJ does. His own trainer said so.
It’s all just hard work, in a way. But sadly the times have caught up with him.
Either way, Fedor was awesome during his era when he was the man.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
c'mon dude
Fedor has tons of natural talent,but I agree in that he’s a harder worker than BJ.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, I'm just going by what his trainer said.
You’ve seen how his standup has eroded. Against Hendo he looked like a wild animal while against Nog-a better striker than Hendo-he looked collected and on point, and always sure to keep the distance where it suited him. His talent or reflexes didn’t fail him so much as his overall work ethic did.
I’d say that Fedor was built on monster hard work while BJ was built on mountains of raw talent.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree
Fedor’s problem= a combination of aging and not learning and evolving with the times.
BJ’s problem = an aversion to hard grind-it-out work.
BJ trains w/ plently of different elite BJJ black belts,
including Leonardo Santos, Tony DeSouza, Nick Diaz himself, and many others.
I don’t think his BJJ has suffered all that much. All his recent BJJ “failures” are due to him (a) gassing against bigger opponents and (b) the fact that his guard game never translated that well to begin with (this happens to lots of top BJJ guys).
Look to the Florian fight for an example of how well he used his BJJ.
BJ tapped out Kenny in seconds
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by Minotauro on Sep 8, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is the correct answer!
subbing kenny florian on your first TD like you’re late for a plane flight is pretty world class imo
by LBo on Sep 9, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
recced for "like you're late for a plane"
Y'know what I think? Don't really matter what I think. Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics and all that shit just goes right out the window.
What BJ did to Fitch is among the most impressive things he's ever done
No, there was no belt or vicious finish, but nobody except GSP does that to Fitch, and BJ is a LW. Granted, half of the feat was a mindfuck, but he still pulled it off.
by paythefighters on Sep 8, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it was impressive offensive wrestling
I just wasn’t very impressed with what he was able to do with those dominant positions.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
If that didn't impress you I don't know what to say
Nobody has ever been able to out grapple Fitch like that even when they ARE his size.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
It was very impressive...
to be able to attain those positions, but a true world class MMA BJJ player would have been able hold position or submit him. How many guys have outgrappled Sonnen? Not submit him from their back, but take him down and achieve dominant positions? Yet Maia, who has true world class MMA BJJ got him into a dominant position and closed the deal- that’s top level BJJ for MMA… I’m a Penn fanboy, but his BJJ skills in MMA are greatly overstated.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude...
you just compared Sonnens grappling to Fitchs… we’re done here.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Sep 8, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
and you used a loss and a draw as demonstrations of BJ’s death sentence BJJ.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
He did successfully for One Round, exactly. After that, it all went down hill for him.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You mean like it was aganist Fitch?
I’m a huge BJ fan- but his MMA BJJ has been greatly overrated (or maybe just underused) in the past 5 years.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say underused
Nobody has finished Fitch ever in the UFC. The only time Fitch has ever been finished was at 205 against Gouveia I think.
op referred to BJ's top control as a "death sentence"
that’s what I was referring to. And finishing or no- he couldn’t stay on Fitch’s back without getting reversed.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that had more to do with
BJ fighting at WW instead of LW. Fitch is(was?) a pretty large WW too so that helps powering out of the position.
I don't disagree with any of that
but a death sentence is a death sentence.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I know
death sentence is not the best way to explain it. Especially since most of the time BJ has gotten top position was because he dropped the other guy when they were standing.
I think that's more of a credit to Fitch
Has anyone else ever escaped BJ’s back mount?
by paythefighters on Sep 8, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you implying
that Nick doesn’t have good boxing or world class BJJ?
5 words:
Professional boxer, Gracie black belt.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
Professional boxer?
He has one fight against some nobody. Professional boxer is kind of a stretch.
In what sense?
He could get licensed and box next week.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
SO could I
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
I doubt it
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
So can BJ
just because he’s fought one boxing match against a can doesn’t mean he has better boxing than BJ.
I’ll trust Freddy Roach and even Mayweather Sr. when they say BJ has the best boxing in mma. I fucking hate the Mayweathers.
Who mentioned BJ?
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
I did
the guy you replied to….
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Cool
I was specifically addressing Nick, not comparing them.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
BUt... I was
Nick has fine boxing. BJ is better.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Fair enough
I thought you were saying Nick’s boxing wasn’t good.
I was like “Dude, he KO’d Paul Daley with a body shot!”.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
I can see
how it would read like that in hindsight.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Sep 9, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick
does NOT have World Class BJJ. At all. In no stretch of the imagination. He will get blown out grappling with BJ Penn.
BJ is also a better boxer.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
In your opinion
I never said he was a better grappler than Penn, but you and I have have to vastly different definitions of world class.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
Our opinions have to be vastly different
since I am right and you’re not ;)
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Sep 8, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Still can’t figure out why anyone would want Diaz “punished” more severely. Every time he steps in the cage you’re likely to see a memorable fight. Wanting him cut or suspended is only wanting to reduce your own enjoyment. I love watching him fight. I hope BJ brings it and it’s a war. Good for UFC for not going overboard. This card is going to be sweet.
.....
You guys are idiots
Look at all the headlines that have come from this. Diaz is an idiot and a genius. This card has so much attention now. People wanna see the dood lose and others wanna see him win. He’s the next Lesnar. WAR DIAZ!
by jabcity on Sep 8, 2011 9:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Maybe Diaz is an idiot savant?
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who didn't see that coming?
The winner is clearly the new #1 contender, too.
Too bad they don’t want either guy to fight Georges…. well, maybe Nick.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
I might be crazy
but I think Penn will finish him. Diaz has a great chin and striking, amazing BJJ but Penn will walk through his strikes, or slip in and catch him good and drop him. He’s been dropped multiple times in fights, I think Penn does the same except finishes it.
He won’t be ko’d completely, and he’ll probably complain to the ref after, but I think Penn drops him and swarms and the ref stops the fight.
Penn almost always finishes when he has somebody hurt
and Diaz get’s rocked at some point in almost all of his fights. Diaz won’t be getting any subs off his back either.
I highly doubt this fight takes place on the mat
Both guys love to swing it out for explicable reason.
That said, BJ let Diego off the hook in round 1.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
That's why I said almost always
I didn’t mind though. I would have been kind of annoyed if i paid 55 bucks for BJ to finish a fight in the first minute.
Fuck the haters. This is too good to pass up.
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by pud333 on Sep 8, 2011 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And..
The guy just promoted the fight more than anyone in the last 3 days than any media party could do. It had everyone watching and visiting every mma site out there. Hey BE, what has your site meter been like this week? Diaz wins in my book.
by jabcity on Sep 8, 2011 9:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree...
If there was a fighter named “Daiz” and he brought a baseball bat to the ring.
Please head on over to Sherdog and look at the last ten fights for both fighters. Who has Diaz beat? KJ Noons. Frank Shamrock. Mid-level guys. BJ Penn… wins and losses… but ALL to elite fighters. There is no comparison.
And, mind you, Penn was training for CONDUT, who is a better fighter than Diaz.
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Mohandas Gandhi
"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses - behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
Muhammad Ali
"If MMA is like dog fighting, those are some pretty fucking smart dogs."
"I don’t want to lick any butt."
GSP
BJ lost to Jens Pulver....
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
In a UFC Title Fight
Which was the fourth fight of his career…
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 9, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
years ago
Man, talk about ancient history!
How is that relavent?
Just sayin
BJ Penn… wins and losses… but ALL to elite fighters.
The way he beat Jens in the rematch showed exactly how far Pulver was from being elite.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
?
(a) the post you replied to was about the last 10 fights.
(b) Jens was elite when he beat BJ. Just cause he wasn’t elite for the 2nd fight doesn’t change what he was back in the day.
I’d agree, if there was a fighter named “Condut.”
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by Scabby Knuckle on Sep 8, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana is cranky:
@arielhelwani @jtc2112 I have no voice and I have been dealing with this bullshit for 4 days I’m in no mood. – Dana White in regards to Helwani being unable to get a hold of him.
Now watch the LA Times get this scoop.
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Does he mean he actually lost his voice?
or like he just doesn’t want to talk.
I’d say he literally lost his voice.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 8, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s exactly what Dana says to anyone complaining about not hearing WTF happened behind the scenes today. lol
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 8, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what my crystal ball of bullshit tells me.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Sep 8, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit...
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet when he found out Diaz wasn't going to the pressers
he probably went off on everyone. I can see him losing his voice because he was yelling at Diaz and his camp so much.
WAR DIAZ
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by xFenixKnightx on Sep 8, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That's cute.
We’ve got all four of ’em left.
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by Rundownloser on Sep 9, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
War Diaz.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
by Bolshevik on Sep 9, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
WAR DIAZ
wtf is everyone giving BJ a one sided edge? these guys have trained together before and it’s actually a great style match up. I see it fairly even, BJ will start stronger but I think Diaz will wear him down by the second round.
by Armleglegarm Head on Sep 9, 2011 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Word, BJ hits hard but we’re not talking about just any chin. Penn will come out trying to knock Nick’s block off, and if he can avoid taking too much damage early I see him outlasting and outworking Penn.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
This is assuming that they're only going to box.
The formula to beat Diaz is already there- get inside on him early and hit him with big shots, take him down, and work from the top until he inevitably creates a crazy scramble and gets up. Rinse/ lather/ repeat.
Nick has improved since his days in the UFC, but that has always been the formula to beat him. GSP would’ve done it better, but Penn can do it too. Sanchez was the best example of a guy fully implementing this gameplan on Diaz, but other fighters were able to replicate success in certain areas before and after him [Jackson knocked Diaz out early in his career with this game; Riggs, Noons (and Sherk to an extent) beat him by constantly landing thudding shots in the pocket; Zaromskis, Cyborg, and Daley all dropped Nick with HARD shots].
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 9, 2011 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I certainly can’t argue with that gameplan or Penn’s ability to implement it, but there’s still a very large chance that he just won’t. Judging by the Fitch fight, he’s had the option to take down a lot of his opponents, but he doesn’t always do it. The first Edgar fight is a prime example.
Though I think Diaz winning the stand-up battle does rely on his ability to take big shots and recover (never the safest strategy). He has to hang in there long enough to wear Penn down with body shots, and use his size and cardio to make up for any technical shortcomings. I think he can do it.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
I don't see
the stand up being one sided for Penn. While BJ might be quicker, Diaz has reach advantage and style advantage boxing.
I can’t see Penn implementing the big punches/take down control gameplan on Diaz. At least not successfully. It’s just not BJ’s style of fighting (grinding out a decision? when was the last time Penn did that?) as it requires a lot more cardio and a lot less killer instinct.
If Penn wins, it will be by KO early, but I still think Diaz will make this a great fight, and his accumulative style of damage plays horribly against Penn’s cardio and heart. I’m excited to see Nick mean mugging BJ at the outset of round 3.
by Armleglegarm Head on Sep 9, 2011 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it just isn’t BJ’s style I say regardless of if he could do it or not. He’ll want to be the only guy to KO Nick in this lifetime, and that’ll give him tunnel vision.
Diaz’s style of boxing is definitely more unusual and unorthodox which could help or hinder. BJ may have crisper punches and tighter defense, but Nick’s crazy pressure style throws people off (and questionable cardio doesn’t help).
But I totally disagree with saying Penn will only win by KO early. If Diaz makes a mistake at any point in that fight, he’ll be knocked out or submitted. We’re talking about BJ Penn here, man. I think he could also win a decision, but I trust Nick will be able to outhustle him in rounds 2 and 3.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
I think you're shortchanging Bj's fight IQ.
BJ likes to throw the hands, but that second loss to Edgar has made him into a smarter fighter. He showed real discipline in that fight with Fitch.
BJ has the perfect style to beat a swarmer/ inverted guard player like Diaz. He will step in with crisp power shots, wrassle Nick to the ground, and apply constant pressure on the ground, which will stifle Diaz’ ability to submit, sweep, and scramble.
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 9, 2011 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
But can he do it
without getting tired as hell in the process?
You gotta remember Nick be walking backwards or dancing around BJ. Its killed or be killed in the stand up.
I can’t imagine BJ walking away from that challenge. If he does, there’s a new #2 WW in town.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
He won 2 rounds from the most notorious grinder at 170.
Especially considering the wrestling edge BJ has here, I think he’ll make it just fine.
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 9, 2011 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I see Diaz beating Penn here. Penn is over the hill while Diaz is currently in his prime and bringing with him a lot of momentum. I know many will disagree, but this is how I see it. Diaz will win in dominating fashion.
by LeDuc on Sep 8, 2011 9:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Samesies
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by xFenixKnightx on Sep 8, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you see Diaz winning?
I just can’t see him edging out BJ on the ground or on the feet. His only advantage is his cardio.
I see Diaz getting dropped, just like in all his fights, except this time he won’t be able to recover in time.
If I was to make a prediction, I’d say it stays on the feet for the majority of the fight and stays pretty even until the last round. I see Diaz baiting a winded Penn and either knocking him out or beating him down for a convincing decision.
by LeDuc on Sep 8, 2011 9:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can see it staying on the feet
but I don’t see Diaz lasting 3 rounds. BJ has only gassed against fighters who tried to grind him out and Edgar.
Plus Diaz’s style of do nothing but move forward is very open to getting countered.
We will see
Admittedly I’m a little bias because I’m a huge Diaz fan, and not so much a Penn fan recently. I Just think Diaz’ hands are too good for Penn at this point in each of their careers.
by LeDuc on Sep 8, 2011 10:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Diaz body shots make guys gas quicker than usual.
by discoandherpes on Sep 9, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
“How do you see Diaz winning?”
lots of body shots to slow BJ down then possible finish in the 3rd.
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Sep 8, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget...
that BJ is a huge step up in competition from what Nick’s been doing for years- can’t ignore that fact.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Weird business decision
Short term it makes a ton of sense. But long term, wtf? I am presuming the winner will be the #1 contender. So if Diaz wins you are in the same situation as what led to this mess. If BJ wins you are going to give him another shot at GSP?! I mean Tito-Shamrock was a trilogy so ok I guess…
As far as the fight itself, I wouldn’t sleep on Diaz. All his recent fights in which he was “outclassed” on his feet (KJ Noons, Paul Daley) he’s gotten the better of the standup.
That being said I think BJ’s stand up style is the answer to Diaz. Diaz has a way of throwing long, slow, looping punches. He gets away with it due to his iron chin and sheer volume. But BJ has very strong technical boxing. He sets up combos with the jab, and his punches come quick, tight, and crisp. I think this is the perfect counter to Diaz’s style, so I see BJ picking him apart on the feet en route to a decision win.
I don't think the matchmaking working this way anymore
Contendership is only one factor. They also seem to want to make fights that “make sense.” Fitch doesn’t get GSP because he’s not viewed as an exciting fighter. Okami had to wait A LONG time to get Silva even though he was the #2 guy in the division for ages.
I just don’t know if there is an appetite for GSP/Penn THREE. There’s no rubber involved. The only angle that can be played is the GSP = cheater, and frankly, I don’t think anyone credible believes GSP cheated.
I think this match will pretty much show us who Diaz is. I suspect he’s hollow. His ten victories were against mid-tier guys (Shamrock was not in his prime and KJ Noons is hardly marquee).
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
Mohandas Gandhi
"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses - behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
Muhammad Ali
"If MMA is like dog fighting, those are some pretty fucking smart dogs."
"I don’t want to lick any butt."
GSP
I think Dana was worried
about Nick skipping out on his UFC Primetime obligations, so this move makes a bit more sense.
Is there a primetime show for this card?
That would have been cool.
I thought that Dana said yesterday...
that there wouldn’t be one.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 8, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Imagine Nick Diaz going “Get out of my house, you camera people. Like, why are you here? Do you not love your kids or what? i don’t have kids but if I did I wouldn’t be up in someone else’s house fucking around. I would mind my own damn business, and eat cheese. Cheese has undervalued properties to help you use nunchucks better homies, no joke.”
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Diaz probably won't do well on cable tv anyway
Like half of the shit he says will be bleeped. Then he’ll always keep disappearing and coming back high as hell.
Dude, have you *seen* cable tv?
Nick would have his own show there.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what we wanted Dana?
GSP vs Diaz and Penn vs Condit. But whatever, I’ll roll with it, don’t won’t to be insulted for free.
"Don't worry about a thang...I got this"
The amount of time I spent on BE this week is sad
but this week has been too awesome to not be on.
Agreed! Now just book me Hendo vs. Machida
"Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be men of courage; be strong." - 1 Corinthians 16:13
That would make me sooo happy
and I think it could happen since there isn’t going to be any SF/UFC title unification fights anymore.
Dana tweets he talked to Nick for over an hour last night:
http://twitter.com/#!/danawhite/status/111974957289967616
I would lose my voice too
if I had to explain shit to Nick Diaz.
This is a win win for the UFC
First, I believe the UFC brass have to be a little nervous that Diaz might win and become the champion. This would be a pr nightmare. No matter how boring GSP’s style might be, he is still one of their greatest draws, as well as a marketing machine.
They still get the best of both worlds. I don’t believe that this ppv suffers at all, and they still might get the possibility of promoting a Diaz/GSP fight.
The original match-ups seemed to have an air of respect for their opponents, so any trash-talk would seem contrived. Penn-Diaz will be full of prefight fireworks, as well as be one great striking matchup. And not to mention its been one of the “dreamfights” on my list.
by necessary_punishment on Sep 8, 2011 9:55 PM EDT reply actions
A gift to Penn
Penn’s chin is legendary. His BJJ is elite. He’s got great hands. Hell, he’s BJ PENN!
Condut was the harder fight, I think. There is a lot of good things to say about Diaz, but his 10 fight streak is fluffy.
I am really annoyed at Diaz and I want to see Penn be the avenger here. I want to see him walk away from Diaz’s limp body on the canvas and make the “your DONE” gesture like he did with Sanchez.
Then I want to see Diaz/Sanchez II!
Okay… too much raw meat for me!
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Mohandas Gandhi
"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses - behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
Muhammad Ali
"If MMA is like dog fighting, those are some pretty fucking smart dogs."
"I don’t want to lick any butt."
GSP
by jackbox on Sep 8, 2011 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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by Unabomberman on Sep 8, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummmm
Vince Lombardi tell em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocV5bGHdYag
Me > Ben Henderson
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I don’t know what’s more sad, this gif or the fact that someone made it.
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by Bolshevik on Sep 9, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was actually hard to watch. You could tell she was getting more emotional as the fight went on.
by discoandherpes on Sep 9, 2011 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it weird that I find her attractive with her hair down like that?
Sucks to get your ass beat in front of your wife.
Do Nothing Lightly.
So if BJ wins
Condit needs to win also, I’m not so sure they would do a 3rd fight with GSP and I am pretty sure I wouldn’t want to see that,
Which BJ will we be seeing in October?!
I’m hoping for Rabies Jay, with a mix of Tanooki BJ.
by av1o3 on Sep 8, 2011 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 11 recs
Rabies Jay is by far the baddest BJ
by LeDuc on Sep 8, 2011 10:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
dana white should have. . .
not told anyone bout the title fight switch except condit and gsp, then waited for diaz to walk out to the cage on fight night AND THEN storm out to the ring and fire diaz on ppv vince mcmahon style
Nick Diaz vs. BJ Penn...? Yes please.
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by Sir Smoke-A-Lot on Sep 8, 2011 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Does anybody think Diaz would've signed with ufc for a fight with Penn?
They played him like a fiddle. Sad to see fighters get taken advantage of.
by armbar1 on Sep 8, 2011 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
WAR PENN.
Instant erection at the thought of a vintage BJ Penn beat down. No homo
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by pridedaze09 on Sep 8, 2011 11:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
WAR PENN.
Instant erection at the thought of a vintage BJ Penn beat down. No homo
From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs - Karl Marx
by pridedaze09 on Sep 8, 2011 11:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Things have worked out even better than when they started. We still have 2 amazing fights and Condit has a much better chance at beating GSP than Diaz would have, in my opinion.
^that
Agree…Carlos has that crazy scrambling ability, which he’s going to need. Also he has a much more diverse stand-up attack, whereas Diaz is really only a boxer — a good one, but I think you need unpredictability to have a chance against GSP. Carlos is more unpredictable.
I like the fight, just not the circumstances
This is a great fight.
I’m not a fan of “demoting” a guy within the same card, but stranger things have happened. If Diaz wins against BJ then he legitimizes his title shot (but they can’t do a Champ vs. Champ marketing ploy). If he loses there are still a lot of top WWs they can put him in with. BJ gets what BJ wants — big name fight, big pay day, non-wrestler.
Actually, maybe this really is for the best…guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
IMO dana white had this planned from the start
and probably told Diaz to not show. Look how much buzz has been created.
Diaz via stoppage
Penn is outmatched.. Diaz is just too big and too good on the feet
I called this fight while reading updates of the presser.. thinking to myself any minute they are going to announce Penn/Diaz. i knew Dana had this in mind all along. I spammed @ufc and @danawhite asking them to stop beating around the bush and announce the fight. The media was totally oblivious and it’s embarassing that the thought of this fight happening didn’t even pop into their tiny brains. Even while watching the obviously scripted presser.
Diaz isn't a very big welterweight.
He was fighting at 160 not long ago.
BJ has a laser jab, and will be able to get in range easily. He also has a healthy wrestling advantage, and considering this is a 3 round fight, BJ shouldn’t have trouble making it to the bell.
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 8, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
If it stays on the feet
Diaz will push the pace and BJ will gas or knock him out, which ever comes first.
Diaz usually wears out in-shape strikers in 1 or 2 rounds with his pace and finishes them. I don’t see him stopping BJ, but I could see him out-pointing a tired Penn.
You know what its like to have someone come at you full speed. That shit is tiring as hell and gets overwhelming. If you’re not in shape for a long sprint it can be a short night.
That said, if BJ takes this to the ground; an awesome jiu jitsu match will ensue.
For some reason, people discredit Nick’s BJJ but he won the Pan Am as brown belt in 2005. He’s way better now than he was then.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
You answered yourself there.
BJ will box for a while and take Nick down when he sees fit. BJ is stronger and will be able to shut Nick down from the top.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Sep 9, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
BJ is active as hell on top and Nick is on the bottom.
Should be great to watch.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
We may even see BJ do some Fitching of his own.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 9, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, for sure.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 9, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, Nick's a pretty big guy. 6'2", easily 180 and really lean.
BJ is barely 165lb.
I think his top shelf guard and lanky but solid build may give BJ(who’s BJJ isn’t looking like a mundial champ’s at the moment) some problems.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
yes
The UFC planned all along to sacrifice a lucrative fight for a merely successful one. Airtight.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 9, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a bad feeling that B.J. will drop Diaz twice (winning a ten-eight round) in the first, then gas. Diaz picks him apart standing and we get another draw.
But, although Penn’s defensive wrestling is legendary, his offensive wrestling is very underrated. Penn could land some big take downs.
Never the less, this has fight of the night written all over it.
UFC 137 should just get renamed to UFC 137: Daze of Our Lives.
by FlyByKnight on Sep 9, 2011 12:08 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
That would be so funny.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 9, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh snap!
Strange switch, but BJ vs Diaz is an awesome match. I’d have to put my money on BJ finishing Diaz. I envision him dropping Diaz and picking up the change with a choke. Maybe this fight is Diaz’s true punishment.
"...Good People drink good beer." -Hunter S. Thompson
So Dana goes from “I’ll never trust Nick Diaz again” to putting Nick Diaz in a main event in 24hrs.
Dana’s full of shit. Half of what he says is a combination of BS and emotion.
Main event?
It’s co-main event on the same night he was going to fight. The biggest difference is that he won’t be fighting for the title and from what I hear, he definitely won’t be making the same amount of money.
I'm looking for the chicken and the rice. Please for you give me the chicken then you come with the rice or then you give me the rice and the chicken, I don't care.
by Thulsa Doom on Sep 9, 2011 1:16 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Maybe is some way this all will work out for Diaz.
Maybe he was gonna lose this fight with GSP but instead he will win against Penn and then go on to beat GSP or Cond…GSP?
Just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any dumber,
you go and do something like this… and totally redeem yourself!
FOTN candidate
I am betting BJ will take the bout in a split decison
Fuck yes
Its my bday today and this announcement made my day!
Love Diaz , Love Penn, this shit is about to go down, good luck to both!!
So it turns out Diaz being a douche was a blessing in disguise
Sure the build up for Diaz vs GSP would have been awesome. But in terms of the actual fighting I much prefer GSP vs Condit and Penn vs Diaz.
Nice recovery UFC!
by TheMysticalNinja on Sep 9, 2011 5:46 AM EDT reply actions
Here's hoping...
..Diaz puts down Penn then turns around flips Dana the bird
WAR DIAZ!
fuck yes!
Diaz is gonna show ol’ Dana a little ultra violence and social anxiety
by elmojo on Sep 9, 2011 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah Homie..
..Diaz is so tough he hides in Cesar’s laundry basket to avoid a press conference.
by UncleMax on Sep 9, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When I think of past Penn and Diaz battles they both often bring the Ultraviolence
Notions of chance and fate are the preoccupation of men engaged in rash undertakings.
by TheWorldForRansom on Sep 9, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I hate the way all you UFC nut-huggers lap this crap up.
We’re being deprived of GSP v. Diaz, we may never see Nick in another main event again, let alone title shot. How can anyone not be sad about that?
Clearly
When you have an employee who doesn’t live up to his part of the contract and also lies to you repeatedly, the correct course of action is either:
1. Ignore it and hope for the best. If he doesn’t show for the main event, oh well, I’m sure that won’t cause any problems.
2. Pay him even more while flogging yourself in public for placing any demands on him in the first place. “It was unreasonable of us to ask that the fighter show up to participate in any media events. We don’t really care if this fight makes money for us or not. We’re in business to pass the time, not turn a profit. We apologize to the fighter for not just paying him because he’s alive. In fact, he doesn’t even need to show up to the fight. We’re just happy to have him on the roster.”
Only a UFC nut-hugger could disagree.
Y'know what I think? Don't really matter what I think. Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics and all that shit just goes right out the window.
I don't think the term 'UFC nut-hugger' works anymore
saying as there is no competition left, I mean who else ya gonna shill for?
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 9, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if losing the title shot and being humiliated by the UFC will affect Nick's motivation
Or will he put on an even better show to make a point, regardless of who wins?
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
Damn, alot of you guys are really pinning Diaz down.
I am a huge Penn fanboy but I wont be surprised if Diaz wins this by TKO.
Looks like the oddsmakers have it just about a pick ’em fight.
.....
by Scabby Knuckle on Sep 9, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
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