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UFC's Return to Japan a Wasteful Vanity Act

The UFC officially announced that it will head to Japan on February 26th, 2012 for an event at Saitama Super Arena.

After months of speculating whether the UFC was serious about heading back to the Land of the Rising Sun, UFC Asia marketing director Mark Fischer officially announced yesterday that the UFC will hold an event on Sunday, February 26th at Saitama Super Arena in Saitama, Japan. The event will take place at 10 AM local time on February 26 in order to accommodate a live pay-per-view on February 25 for fans stateside. According to Japanese combat sports magazine Gong Kakutogi, Yoshihiro Akiyama, Yushin Okami, Michihiro Omigawa, Takanori Gomi, Hatsu Hioki, Riki Fukuda, Takeya Mizugaki, and Norifumi Yamamoto are all being considered for the early 2012 card.

According to MMAFighting.com's Dan Herbertson, Fischer also pointed out that the UFC's plan "is to make a Japan show an annual event on top of other Asia-based shows". Fischer likened it to the recent success of UFC Rio, utilizing local fighters and the local media. Unfortunately, this isn't the first step to a complete revival of mixed martial arts in Japan. It's more like dipping a toe into the water to check the temperature in the dead of winter.

FightOpinion.com's Zach Arnold has plenty of opinions to chew on revolving around the event, but the notion that this is a "vanity card" has gained more and more validity as news has surfaced. The most telling sign is the 10 AM JST time slot. As if it wasn't going to be hard enough "making it" in Japan, the UFC won't even cater to the fanbase in the country. They'll cater to us here in the United States instead.

The rumored roster for the event isn't going to make waves either. To be perfectly honest, I'm not convinced any roster could draw in the current combat sports climate in Japan. Akiyama and Yamamoto are likely the two most interesting fighters on the docket for Japanese fans, but their stock has dropped considerably. Unless the UFC is willing to sacrifice some of their freak show talent, i.e. Alistair Overeem or Josh Barnett, it's difficult to see the intrigue at all.

Throw another log onto the fire when discussing the UFC's current stance in the Japanese television landscape. It might as well be non-existent. Deals with WOWOW, NTT Plala, and TV Bank have hardly any reach. Fans must seek out the UFC's content themselves to find it, which means new fans aren't finding the content, only fans who were already fans. Network television rules Japan. Most of the population is watching network television at all times, not flipping to Bravo to watch a horrible reality cooking show or Jersey Shore on MTV like we do here in North America. Without network, revenue will be hard to come by.

Why is the UFC heading to Japan? The yakuza is still very active in the entertainment industry. Combat sports is down right now in the country. If UFC Rio proved anything, it proved that lessened media from the UFC's largest market hurts the buyrate for pay-per-views. The UFC could pull in a decent crowd for one or two events annually, but live gate money subtracted from the money the UFC will need to spend to produce an event in Japan could put them in the red. Is it really worth it?

While I do believe there is a plan in place for the UFC to begin planting seeds in Japan for long-term success, now isn't the time to make those moves. I think the most overlooked problem for the UFC is that there isn't any sign that they want to change their product to cater to the Japanese fans. The UFC doesn't seem at all interested in attempting to bridge the cultural divide. Historically, that's been the most significant problem with American businesses heading to Japan.

The UFC wants to push their brand, their own style of what combat sports is to the Japanese. Unfortunately, the whole idea that the spectacle of American entertainment can draw in a crowd is only a novelty idea. History suggests otherwise. In fact, history suggests that Americanized versions of anything have failed miserably in Japan without some tweaking to fit into the culture. The vanity act will only falsely create an idea in the UFC's head that success can happen. It won't last. 

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I think they can pull in 10,000 plus at SSA with a decent card. But they are really fucking over the Japanese fans. Who the fuck will show up at 10 AM? Only the hardest of the hardcore. Dana White didn’t even show up for the damn presser. It just looks second rate across the board to me, like the UFC doesn’t give a shit at all.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's a bit unfair.

The whole point of guys like Fischer, Zelaznik and Wright is because Dana can’t be everywhere at once as the UFC continues to grow. Really Dana could do with delegating more to these guys as he arguably does too much as it is diluting his focus.

The 10am start time is a problem, unless it happens to be a date for a UFC Fox or FX show, in which case UFC is at the mercy of their scheduling even more so then they were with Spike.

As for American brands finding success in Japan, it depends which generation and demographic you’re looking at in Japan. There are plenty of young Japanese people today who find the American brands and Hollywood imagery attractive and aspirational showing a cultural shift in the last 10 years. If anything, the typical Japanese culture we think of is losing the interest of this demographic.

The problem is doing any kind of business in Japan post Tsunami / Meltdown. They just seem so completely fucked right now and the UFC doing a show there makes a lot less sense unless they plan to turn it into a benefit for Japan, as a gift back to Japan because of what Japan has given the martial arts world.

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by KJ Gould on Sep 6, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

10 AM local start time?

Translation: Fuck you Japanese fans, we don’t give a shit about you and will schedule this to air prime time in the States.

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by keyboardwarrior on Sep 6, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Doing it as a benefit would be a great idea if they can make the financial side work.

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by Rundownloser on Sep 6, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd imagine making the financial side work

Is why they’re putting it on at 10am local time in Japan, so they can show it prime time in the USA.

Would that be 10am Saturday or Sunday in Japan though?

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by KJ Gould on Sep 6, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would 10am Sunday...

..I like the benefit for Japan idea though

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by nannerb on Sep 6, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t agree with your assessment of the brands finding success in Japan. Nearly every single brand that has moved to Japan in the last ten years has fallen due to the historical trend of failure because of the cultural differences. You’d think a younger generation would change that thinking, but it hasn’t at all. The so-called cultural shift isn’t massive enough to matter. I actually don’t believe there is much of one at all. Not enough to affect MMA, that’s for sure.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

ufc japan style

 The article brings up interesting points. Japan’s market is just entirely different. 10am in japan? Thats not right … plus they need the old pride announcer and wanderlei shogun henderson overeem a nog bro gomi okami akiyama then lesnar cuz asians love big american freaks.

by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 11:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

They’ll never waste Lesnar on a Japanese card. People overlook the fact that media plays a huge role in getting the UFC PPV buys. Most domestic media won’t make the trip to Japan.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Waste”? lesnar can be booked any month in any country and his ppv buys would be big. don’t do pretend marketing projections on my fantasy cards besides the top mma journalists make it to each event

by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wrong. UFC Rio proved that media has huge pull. Only a select few from the American media were able to go to Rio, and the content aggregated from that wasn’t enough to fuel the event to big pay-per-view buys. Sure, the event sold out, but PPV should have done a bit better considering the names. It goes to show that you NEED media to get an event going. Brock Lesnar is Japan doesn’t help that at all.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and rampage they need ol rampage. Well i’m putting lesnar on my dream japan card for feb and i will remember your name and we will see who is the better guesser.

by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 11:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Japan is the world’s 3rd biggest economy.

Phillipines is one of the poorest country in S.E Asia. SK is rich but has a small population.

by Rody Diaz on Sep 6, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rody dont be debbie downer nobody likes economics/cultural modern history/population percentages in mma geek forums. Lets stay positive

by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And how should they go about creating this cultural bridge?

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by AfroSamurai on Sep 6, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

With poorly paid, Asian laborers, of course.

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by CaptnAmerca on Sep 6, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

They need a Japanese star.

Somebody with charisma, fighting ability and at least basic english. A guy like Akiyama going 1-3 in the organization won’t cut it.

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by POW on Sep 6, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

they need cung li

 Even though his akin to a california surfer japan would still love him … i love him

by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well…Cung Le’s ability to be a Japanese star might be hurt by the fact that he’s not Japanese. He’s Vietnamese (well…American really). UFC would do better with a Bob Sapp vs Satoshi Ishii freak show than with Le.

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by POW on Sep 6, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope cung is on my japan dream card you can put sapp on yours

by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 11:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The man looks asian his name is asian and he fights like the karate kid they’d love him … speaking of karate kid machida is also on my dream card oh man this card is awesome!

by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 12:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The man looks asian his name is asian

LOL

The Japanese are some of the most racist SOB’s on the planet, and most of their racism is directed towards non-Japanese Asians. Looking Asian is not a point in his favor.

by Steve4192 on Sep 6, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

 Racism will not determine my fantasy card it is mine and not at the majority bias of foreign peoples! Also regardless of “points” in his “favor”. Cung le vs … thaigo alves … or martin kampmann … oh and i suggest he fight at ww thats right

by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Your fantasy card

is a farcical fantasy of fantastic proportions.

by Machiel Van on Sep 6, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

And your wordsmithing is amaturish

by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 1:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

my fantasy card

You could have just said my fantasy card is … a f***** fantasy! You wind bag …

by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 1:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yep.

Sexyama knows all about this.

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by Tonley on Sep 6, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

amen

 I’ve prayed many nights for him to go to ww before its too late … the belcher fight was a clear taste of things to come. Samurai honor

by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

he was talking about Sexyama knowing about Japanese racism

because he is half Korean. Pay attention.

How you got, “Sexyama knows about dropping to WW” is beyond me.

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by Brian Hemminger on Sep 6, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe the WW stands for White Women?

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by CaptnAmerca on Sep 6, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow you’re really not understanding what i’m saying at all.

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by POW on Sep 6, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea your vast overall generalized understandings of the various markets and cultures of the globe are far beyond my mma geek understanding. Forgive me if i wander before your keen insightful input when it comes to random demographics and your firm grasp of your own post comments. Perhaps i will aquire your clarity and wisdom if i but live forever

by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yea your vast overall generalized understandings of the various markets and cultures of the globe are far beyond my mma geek understanding.

Hmm…

The man looks asian his name is asian and he fights like the karate kid they’d love him

You can’t generalize more that this. What about defending your point with facts instead of going on a rant? For everyone’s sake.

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by spectaa on Sep 6, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s Vietnamese (well…American really).

He is legit Vietnamese. He was born in Vietnam and was evacuated prior to the fall of Saigon when he was three years old.

by Steve4192 on Sep 6, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

 Tomato tomato cung is an awesome ass kicking asian who asked for a ufc fight and 5 months from now ufc japan would be a good showcase for his crazy cung kicks

by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 12:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

didn’t know that. thanks for the info.

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by POW on Sep 6, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’d need to buy in with a local promoter, and that would be asking for trouble with how ingrained the yakuza are in the country. They need Japanese production values, they need a star, and they need interest. Japan has NONE of that.

It will be years before that happens.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m also not convinced Fischer completely understands Japan. Honestly, most Westerners, even living there for a decade, don’t understand how Japan works. They need to hire Japanese business-savvy people to help.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you know for certain he doesn’t have local advisors?

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by KGNLuc on Sep 6, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to MMAWeekly, he’s attempting to get local promoters to help him. Many companies have done this as well, but they still failed.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Throwing a half-assed card at Japan with no regard for the local fans and a roster of low-mid tiered Japanese fighters does nothing for the UFC. Just the UFC brass showing their old PRIDE fanboy-ism again.

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by POW on Sep 6, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

it never dies

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by KGNLuc on Sep 6, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with these two points
I think the most overlooked problem for the UFC is that there isn’t any sign that they want to change their product to cater to the Japanese fans.
The UFC wants to push their brand, their own style of what combat sports is to the Japanese.

It doesn’t make sense if they’re not going to make a more culturally significant product for Japan.

UFC 136 Edgar vs Maynard III is looking pretty good!

by VeeisAnimated on Sep 6, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Zuffa wants to be the McDonalds of MMA. They want a completely portable product that they can drop into a market with minimal changes. If the market accepts it … great. If not … fuck ’em and try somewhere else.

The complaints about the early start time and lack of TV exposure are legit. Complaints about them not tailoring the product to Japanese tastes is bogus. The UFC product is what it is. They aren’t going to suddenly bust out a bunch of ramps, pyro, and dudes in diapers banging on drums just to please the puroresu crowd.

by Steve4192 on Sep 6, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well we will see if the UFC product works well in Japan. Time will tell.

UFC 136 Edgar vs Maynard III is looking pretty good!

by VeeisAnimated on Sep 6, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It probably won’t work, and they’ll move on to somewhere else.

TBH, I think they are wasting their time. The Japanese MMA market is in about the same place today that the American MMA market was in during the late 1990s. It is a discarded fad that only a select few hardcore fans give a shit about.

Zuffa would be better served concentrating their efforts damn near anywhere else in the Pacific Rim. They already have a strong market in Australia. They should be building outward from there rather than trying to jump into the money pit that is Japan.

by Steve4192 on Sep 6, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

pretty much this

ufc singapore and ufc phillipines seem like they would be far better ideas

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by milk72 on Sep 6, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Japan is the world’s 3rd biggest economy.

Phillipines is one of the poorest country in S.E Asia. SG has a tiny population.

by Rody Diaz on Sep 6, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Overeem rampage big nog – shogun-wanderlei just to name a few those guys are big in japan and why not ?
And going to the phillipines those places is not the best time whit one fc on the rise and other mama comanpies

by LoBoTrOn on Sep 6, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Akiyama vs. Wanderlei is a fight that I think would draw interest.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

thought Aki was dropping to WW?

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by POW on Sep 6, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is. But that is a fight that would still draw.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I mean is changing their model (start time) for a yearly show in Asia would lose them a lot of potential ppv dollars in America.

by kookla on Sep 6, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have to start somewhere, Leland

Can’t really wait until it’s huge on its own accord and then do it – ya gotta build it up on your own sometimes.

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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 6, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

All the more reason for the UFC to hold off on this thing. Unless they plan to donate the proceeds to some sort of recovery fund.

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by POW on Sep 6, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one who looked at that pic

and immediately had the Sesame Street “One of these things is not like the others” song playing in their head?

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by Avap on Sep 6, 2011 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I do now

thank you

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by Chris Hall on Sep 6, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you often have sesame street playing in your head? :)

by troyd on Sep 6, 2011 1:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why is the UFC heading to Japan? The yakuza is still very active in the entertainment industry. Combat sports is down right now in the country.

Exactly when, if ever, is that going to change? I agree that they’re going about it half-assed at best and completely wrong most likely, but this notion that “the timing has to be right” is just bullshit. That country’s peculiarities and business practice difficulties are never going to change within Lorenzo, Frank, and Dana’s lifetimes, so they may as well try when they damn well please. But they need to do it right, which doesn’t seem to be the case at this early stage.

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by sBruce24 on Sep 6, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, the government is attempting a major crackdown right now on those ties. Media is exposing links, etc. So, there is some change happening.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Leland-

You seem to be the resident Japan expert here- have you ever lived there? Always been one of my dreams to spend a year or so there- just never worked out.

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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 6, 2011 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Not in Japan. I have quite a few friends there. Half my family is native of South Korea. A lot of my knowledge comes from their first hand experiences. I’ve also read an insane amount of literature on business in Japan. I know some people would scoff at “all you did was read about it…” but it’s hard to ignore the fact that most literature suggests that same conclusions over and over again. Reading on the history of American businesses in Japan will give everyone a sense of what I’m talking about though.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't questioning your credentials

just curious if you lived there- your knowledge seems very extensive.

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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 6, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

If hioki and Aldo win

That could set up a nice co main event. I would buy it, I’m sure they wouldn’t have enough drawing power to be the main event but it’s a good start

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by DonnMcslick on Sep 6, 2011 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, if the UFC wants to piss money away on this, then go right ahead.

I won’t be buying this if its a PPV, so as long as I get my updates from BloodyElbow, then its all fine by me.

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by CaptnAmerca on Sep 6, 2011 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

So you're a casual fan then

Nothing wrong with that, but I’m a fight fan. Some of the greatest MMA fights I’ve seen have been from mid-tier or journeyman fighters. I guess you only checked the updates on BE for Lytle vs. Hardy, shame you couldn’t catch that one.

Put two professionally trained guys in a cage and I’ll watch the shit out of it. Different strokes I guess.

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by Genki Sudo's Choreographer on Sep 7, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

zach arnold writes horribly

He just writes for attention. All his articles try to do is get reactions out of people. Not even his views. Im glad his crappy website runkalib went down.

by icrow on Sep 6, 2011 1:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

You are confusing Zach Arnold (FightOpinion) with Zak Woods (WatchKalibRun).

by Steve4192 on Sep 6, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this might be a bit harsh.

Everything I’ve heard is that the Japanese fan base is still there, they just don’t have a product to get behind. The early start time will be bad for the gate, but it’s understandable because tape delays kill PPV numbers.

The UFC has never packaged MMA as something less than a sport and the idea that this card needs freak show fights is simply saying that the Japanese need to be handled with kid gloves. This is an opportunity to start the SLOW process of bringing the Japanese audience into the reality of the sport rather than putting on a show with cartoonish sensibilities. I think it won’t be the most successful event, but I think it’s important to do this now rather than ignore the market all together and have nothing in 2-3 years.

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by rask4p on Sep 6, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Everything I’ve heard is that the Japanese fan base is still there, they just don’t have a product to get behind.

Wishful thinking,

They are gone bro.

by Steve4192 on Sep 6, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Settle down man

they have to start SOMEWHERE. choosing not to do a Japanese show at all is an option as well but if they do that they are self-selecting themselves out of any future opportunity. It will serve as an important learning experience and could spark the interest of a younger generation who never really got to experience Pride. Give it a chance.

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by mjanecek on Sep 6, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Stop making sense!
Look, a foray into the 3rd richest country in the world is a flyer worth taking. I don’t think Zuffa plans to make money on this, but it will give them the opportunity to take the temperature of the Japanese MMA market, as presented in the UFC style.

by Dootch on Sep 6, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be worth it

If they were doing anything to indicate they are trying to really penetrate the market.

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by Chris Hall on Sep 6, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don't know yet

How extensive the penetration is going to be yet. This is really the opening salvo.

by Dootch on Sep 6, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give me a break. This sentiment is said way too often. Start somewhere? Yeah, let’s start with an engine that doesn’t start in the middle of a cold winter. Good idea.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really interested in the Japan show

This is a direct attempt to appease a dying market that they essentially have helped slowly killed off, as well as people who cannot let go of PRIDE.

Several of the fighters on this list have losing records in the UFC.

I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.

by SSreporters on Sep 6, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

HONG MAN CHOI VS BOB SAPP = Instant Sell out of SSA

by terzergoss on Sep 6, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Can't win...

If Zuffa forgets about Japan altogether, they’re stupid for abandonning Asia and letting One FC grow… if Zuffa does a show in Japan, it’s a “wasteful vanity act”. Either way, can’t win.

by Shnak on Sep 6, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

They have other markets they can actually succeed in.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, maybe, but what’s wrong with the UFC putting a show in Japan every year just to remind One FC that it won’t be easy for them to dominate Asia?

by Shnak on Sep 6, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing. It’s just a waste of money in my opinion.

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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

OH NOES!!

The ufc is going about their business the wrong way!

Seriously, they’re making a solid effort without overextending themselves on something with a possible upside and that a number of fans wanted (even if an impressive amount of disappointed fans feel the need to express that this show doesn’t meet their specific (and impossible) expectations on what it should have been).

by Balrog on Sep 6, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I understand the UFC wanting to finally make a reappearance in Japan, it’s been a hot topic the last couple years…so for that, I completely understand! Over the past couple years we’ve seen these great Japanese MMA heroes laid to waste by far superior “Non-Japanese” fighters…So I ask why NOW does the UFC want this card to come to fruition? Okami…KTFO’d by a Brazilian! Akiyama…same fate! Yamamoto…nowhere near a title shot at 135 or 145. Ricky Fukuda is a bright young talent, but there’s not enough star power with these lower weigh class fighters to bolster a PPV…maybe a free show. This might as well be co-promoted with Dream and WVR and be on HDNet. Especially if they fill the undercard with “local” Japanese talent…wtf is that? The Japanese MMA scene is dead. If the UFC was going to branch out to the Philippines for a season of the Ultimate Fighter, they should have coincided it with a Fight Night from the Phillipines. Use the growing MMA markets for expansion not a contracted Japanese market. China, Phill., Korea…these are all viable markets to expand to…I just don’t think Japan is the leader in Asian/Far East MMA anymore.

by BigPerm82 on Sep 6, 2011 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

i think your hypothesis might be wrong

you underestimate the popularity of fighters in japan. japanese fans aren’t as fickle as american fans. they don’t care whether or not the fighter has a good record, they just care about whether or not they can put on a good fight. fighters like Omigawa, KID, Okami, Gomi, Hioki and even Akiyama (although they might want to see him get beat) are sure to bring out fans to watch. Look at Akitoshi Tamura and Kenji Osawa and K-taro Nakamura. they were well recieved by the japanese fans when they returned to fight in Japan
i have a feeling that most of them will get cut after the event depending on how well the event does.

by Julien Thorne on Sep 6, 2011 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL

If the Japanese fans are so loyal, why aren’t they supporting the Japanese MMA promotions?

Japanese fans are fickle as hell. MMA was a fad and they have moved on.

by Steve4192 on Sep 6, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You will all be eating crow

When the gate sells out in a few hours just like UFC Rio.

People were saying the same shit about Brazil and then the evnt sold out immediately and was awesome. UFC has quickly sold out whenever they have an event in a country they haven’t been to (in the Zuffa era). Japan won’t be any different.

by IWillPartyHard on Sep 6, 2011 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

UFC has quickly sold out whenever they have an event in a country they haven’t been to

Germany says hi.

by Steve4192 on Sep 6, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got me there

That was kind of a freaky situation though with German media blitzing the airwaves calling UFC a no good bloodsport and actively trying to get the event cancelled. Not to mention Germany has no MMA culture (Denis Siver FTW). Despite that, they still brought in over a $1.3 million gate and have gone back once.

Still sold out England, Ireland, Brazil, Australia, UAB, and Canada. 6 for 7 ain’t bad.

by IWillPartyHard on Sep 6, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think one event is going to make or break Zuffa.

  I really think some important inroads will be made. I think the Japanese will see the difference between the American and Japanese fighters. I understand this isn’t going to be an overnight thing. However, Japan is an important market and Zuffa need to do something.

If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?

by whardiek on Sep 6, 2011 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

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