UFC's Return to Japan a Wasteful Vanity Act
After months of speculating whether the UFC was serious about heading back to the Land of the Rising Sun, UFC Asia marketing director Mark Fischer officially announced yesterday that the UFC will hold an event on Sunday, February 26th at Saitama Super Arena in Saitama, Japan. The event will take place at 10 AM local time on February 26 in order to accommodate a live pay-per-view on February 25 for fans stateside. According to Japanese combat sports magazine Gong Kakutogi, Yoshihiro Akiyama, Yushin Okami, Michihiro Omigawa, Takanori Gomi, Hatsu Hioki, Riki Fukuda, Takeya Mizugaki, and Norifumi Yamamoto are all being considered for the early 2012 card.
According to MMAFighting.com's Dan Herbertson, Fischer also pointed out that the UFC's plan "is to make a Japan show an annual event on top of other Asia-based shows". Fischer likened it to the recent success of UFC Rio, utilizing local fighters and the local media. Unfortunately, this isn't the first step to a complete revival of mixed martial arts in Japan. It's more like dipping a toe into the water to check the temperature in the dead of winter.
FightOpinion.com's Zach Arnold has plenty of opinions to chew on revolving around the event, but the notion that this is a "vanity card" has gained more and more validity as news has surfaced. The most telling sign is the 10 AM JST time slot. As if it wasn't going to be hard enough "making it" in Japan, the UFC won't even cater to the fanbase in the country. They'll cater to us here in the United States instead.
The rumored roster for the event isn't going to make waves either. To be perfectly honest, I'm not convinced any roster could draw in the current combat sports climate in Japan. Akiyama and Yamamoto are likely the two most interesting fighters on the docket for Japanese fans, but their stock has dropped considerably. Unless the UFC is willing to sacrifice some of their freak show talent, i.e. Alistair Overeem or Josh Barnett, it's difficult to see the intrigue at all.
Throw another log onto the fire when discussing the UFC's current stance in the Japanese television landscape. It might as well be non-existent. Deals with WOWOW, NTT Plala, and TV Bank have hardly any reach. Fans must seek out the UFC's content themselves to find it, which means new fans aren't finding the content, only fans who were already fans. Network television rules Japan. Most of the population is watching network television at all times, not flipping to Bravo to watch a horrible reality cooking show or Jersey Shore on MTV like we do here in North America. Without network, revenue will be hard to come by.
Why is the UFC heading to Japan? The yakuza is still very active in the entertainment industry. Combat sports is down right now in the country. If UFC Rio proved anything, it proved that lessened media from the UFC's largest market hurts the buyrate for pay-per-views. The UFC could pull in a decent crowd for one or two events annually, but live gate money subtracted from the money the UFC will need to spend to produce an event in Japan could put them in the red. Is it really worth it?
While I do believe there is a plan in place for the UFC to begin planting seeds in Japan for long-term success, now isn't the time to make those moves. I think the most overlooked problem for the UFC is that there isn't any sign that they want to change their product to cater to the Japanese fans. The UFC doesn't seem at all interested in attempting to bridge the cultural divide. Historically, that's been the most significant problem with American businesses heading to Japan.
The UFC wants to push their brand, their own style of what combat sports is to the Japanese. Unfortunately, the whole idea that the spectacle of American entertainment can draw in a crowd is only a novelty idea. History suggests otherwise. In fact, history suggests that Americanized versions of anything have failed miserably in Japan without some tweaking to fit into the culture. The vanity act will only falsely create an idea in the UFC's head that success can happen. It won't last.
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I agree
I think they should be focusing on places that they actually have been building a following in the Asian market like the Philippines or South Korea, maybe even China.
Going to Japan just seems like they are hoping to rekindle those Pride days of nearly 100,000 fans at Tokyo National. Those days are long gone.
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by Brian Hemminger on Sep 6, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I think they can pull in 10,000 plus at SSA with a decent card. But they are really fucking over the Japanese fans. Who the fuck will show up at 10 AM? Only the hardest of the hardcore. Dana White didn’t even show up for the damn presser. It just looks second rate across the board to me, like the UFC doesn’t give a shit at all.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that's a bit unfair.
The whole point of guys like Fischer, Zelaznik and Wright is because Dana can’t be everywhere at once as the UFC continues to grow. Really Dana could do with delegating more to these guys as he arguably does too much as it is diluting his focus.
The 10am start time is a problem, unless it happens to be a date for a UFC Fox or FX show, in which case UFC is at the mercy of their scheduling even more so then they were with Spike.
As for American brands finding success in Japan, it depends which generation and demographic you’re looking at in Japan. There are plenty of young Japanese people today who find the American brands and Hollywood imagery attractive and aspirational showing a cultural shift in the last 10 years. If anything, the typical Japanese culture we think of is losing the interest of this demographic.
The problem is doing any kind of business in Japan post Tsunami / Meltdown. They just seem so completely fucked right now and the UFC doing a show there makes a lot less sense unless they plan to turn it into a benefit for Japan, as a gift back to Japan because of what Japan has given the martial arts world.
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10 AM local start time?
Translation: Fuck you Japanese fans, we don’t give a shit about you and will schedule this to air prime time in the States.
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by keyboardwarrior on Sep 6, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doing it as a benefit would be a great idea if they can make the financial side work.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
I'd imagine making the financial side work
Is why they’re putting it on at 10am local time in Japan, so they can show it prime time in the USA.
Would that be 10am Saturday or Sunday in Japan though?
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That would 10am Sunday...
..I like the benefit for Japan idea though
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I don’t agree with your assessment of the brands finding success in Japan. Nearly every single brand that has moved to Japan in the last ten years has fallen due to the historical trend of failure because of the cultural differences. You’d think a younger generation would change that thinking, but it hasn’t at all. The so-called cultural shift isn’t massive enough to matter. I actually don’t believe there is much of one at all. Not enough to affect MMA, that’s for sure.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely Agree...Can't remember where i read but i read somewhere that shows in S. Korea were doing pretty well and China is just as big of a gamble as Japan right now so hey why not...
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ufc japan style
The article brings up interesting points. Japan’s market is just entirely different. 10am in japan? Thats not right … plus they need the old pride announcer and wanderlei shogun henderson overeem a nog bro gomi okami akiyama then lesnar cuz asians love big american freaks.
by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 11:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They’ll never waste Lesnar on a Japanese card. People overlook the fact that media plays a huge role in getting the UFC PPV buys. Most domestic media won’t make the trip to Japan.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
“Waste”? lesnar can be booked any month in any country and his ppv buys would be big. don’t do pretend marketing projections on my fantasy cards besides the top mma journalists make it to each event
by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wrong. UFC Rio proved that media has huge pull. Only a select few from the American media were able to go to Rio, and the content aggregated from that wasn’t enough to fuel the event to big pay-per-view buys. Sure, the event sold out, but PPV should have done a bit better considering the names. It goes to show that you NEED media to get an event going. Brock Lesnar is Japan doesn’t help that at all.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh and rampage they need ol rampage. Well i’m putting lesnar on my dream japan card for feb and i will remember your name and we will see who is the better guesser.
by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 11:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Japan is the world’s 3rd biggest economy.
Phillipines is one of the poorest country in S.E Asia. SK is rich but has a small population.
by Rody Diaz on Sep 6, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rody dont be debbie downer nobody likes economics/cultural modern history/population percentages in mma geek forums. Lets stay positive
by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And how should they go about creating this cultural bridge?
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With poorly paid, Asian laborers, of course.
I don't know, but the guy quotes himself in his own signature - CaptnAmerca
by CaptnAmerca on Sep 6, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
They need a Japanese star.
Somebody with charisma, fighting ability and at least basic english. A guy like Akiyama going 1-3 in the organization won’t cut it.
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they need cung li
Even though his akin to a california surfer japan would still love him … i love him
by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well…Cung Le’s ability to be a Japanese star might be hurt by the fact that he’s not Japanese. He’s Vietnamese (well…American really). UFC would do better with a Bob Sapp vs Satoshi Ishii freak show than with Le.
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Nope cung is on my japan dream card you can put sapp on yours
by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 11:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The man looks asian his name is asian and he fights like the karate kid they’d love him … speaking of karate kid machida is also on my dream card oh man this card is awesome!
by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 12:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The man looks asian his name is asian
LOL
The Japanese are some of the most racist SOB’s on the planet, and most of their racism is directed towards non-Japanese Asians. Looking Asian is not a point in his favor.
Racism will not determine my fantasy card it is mine and not at the majority bias of foreign peoples! Also regardless of “points” in his “favor”. Cung le vs … thaigo alves … or martin kampmann … oh and i suggest he fight at ww thats right
by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Your fantasy card
is a farcical fantasy of fantastic proportions.
And your wordsmithing is amaturish
by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 1:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
my fantasy card
You could have just said my fantasy card is … a f***** fantasy! You wind bag …
by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 1:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep.
Sexyama knows all about this.
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amen
I’ve prayed many nights for him to go to ww before its too late … the belcher fight was a clear taste of things to come. Samurai honor
by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he was talking about Sexyama knowing about Japanese racism
because he is half Korean. Pay attention.
How you got, “Sexyama knows about dropping to WW” is beyond me.
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by Brian Hemminger on Sep 6, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the WW stands for White Women?
I don't know, but the guy quotes himself in his own signature - CaptnAmerca
wow you’re really not understanding what i’m saying at all.
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Yea your vast overall generalized understandings of the various markets and cultures of the globe are far beyond my mma geek understanding. Forgive me if i wander before your keen insightful input when it comes to random demographics and your firm grasp of your own post comments. Perhaps i will aquire your clarity and wisdom if i but live forever
by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea your vast overall generalized understandings of the various markets and cultures of the globe are far beyond my mma geek understanding.
Hmm…
The man looks asian his name is asian and he fights like the karate kid they’d love him
You can’t generalize more that this. What about defending your point with facts instead of going on a rant? For everyone’s sake.
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He’s Vietnamese (well…American really).
He is legit Vietnamese. He was born in Vietnam and was evacuated prior to the fall of Saigon when he was three years old.
Tomato tomato cung is an awesome ass kicking asian who asked for a ufc fight and 5 months from now ufc japan would be a good showcase for his crazy cung kicks
by mr.mmaman on Sep 6, 2011 12:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They’d need to buy in with a local promoter, and that would be asking for trouble with how ingrained the yakuza are in the country. They need Japanese production values, they need a star, and they need interest. Japan has NONE of that.
It will be years before that happens.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m also not convinced Fischer completely understands Japan. Honestly, most Westerners, even living there for a decade, don’t understand how Japan works. They need to hire Japanese business-savvy people to help.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you know for certain he doesn’t have local advisors?
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According to MMAWeekly, he’s attempting to get local promoters to help him. Many companies have done this as well, but they still failed.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Throwing a half-assed card at Japan with no regard for the local fans and a roster of low-mid tiered Japanese fighters does nothing for the UFC. Just the UFC brass showing their old PRIDE fanboy-ism again.
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I agree with these two points
I think the most overlooked problem for the UFC is that there isn’t any sign that they want to change their product to cater to the Japanese fans.
The UFC wants to push their brand, their own style of what combat sports is to the Japanese.
It doesn’t make sense if they’re not going to make a more culturally significant product for Japan.
UFC 136 Edgar vs Maynard III is looking pretty good!
Zuffa wants to be the McDonalds of MMA. They want a completely portable product that they can drop into a market with minimal changes. If the market accepts it … great. If not … fuck ’em and try somewhere else.
The complaints about the early start time and lack of TV exposure are legit. Complaints about them not tailoring the product to Japanese tastes is bogus. The UFC product is what it is. They aren’t going to suddenly bust out a bunch of ramps, pyro, and dudes in diapers banging on drums just to please the puroresu crowd.
Well we will see if the UFC product works well in Japan. Time will tell.
UFC 136 Edgar vs Maynard III is looking pretty good!
by VeeisAnimated on Sep 6, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It probably won’t work, and they’ll move on to somewhere else.
TBH, I think they are wasting their time. The Japanese MMA market is in about the same place today that the American MMA market was in during the late 1990s. It is a discarded fad that only a select few hardcore fans give a shit about.
Zuffa would be better served concentrating their efforts damn near anywhere else in the Pacific Rim. They already have a strong market in Australia. They should be building outward from there rather than trying to jump into the money pit that is Japan.
by Steve4192 on Sep 6, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
pretty much this
ufc singapore and ufc phillipines seem like they would be far better ideas
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Overeem rampage big nog – shogun-wanderlei just to name a few those guys are big in japan and why not ?
And going to the phillipines those places is not the best time whit one fc on the rise and other mama comanpies
Akiyama vs. Wanderlei is a fight that I think would draw interest.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
thought Aki was dropping to WW?
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He is. But that is a fight that would still draw.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Have to start somewhere, Leland
Can’t really wait until it’s huge on its own accord and then do it – ya gotta build it up on your own sometimes.
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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 6, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions
JMMA falling down aside I'm pretty sure Japan isn't quiet back on there feet from all the other crap thats went on
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Agreed.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only one who looked at that pic
and immediately had the Sesame Street “One of these things is not like the others” song playing in their head?
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I do now
thank you
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by troyd on Sep 6, 2011 1:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why is the UFC heading to Japan? The yakuza is still very active in the entertainment industry. Combat sports is down right now in the country.
Exactly when, if ever, is that going to change? I agree that they’re going about it half-assed at best and completely wrong most likely, but this notion that “the timing has to be right” is just bullshit. That country’s peculiarities and business practice difficulties are never going to change within Lorenzo, Frank, and Dana’s lifetimes, so they may as well try when they damn well please. But they need to do it right, which doesn’t seem to be the case at this early stage.
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Well, the government is attempting a major crackdown right now on those ties. Media is exposing links, etc. So, there is some change happening.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Leland-
You seem to be the resident Japan expert here- have you ever lived there? Always been one of my dreams to spend a year or so there- just never worked out.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 6, 2011 12:22 PM EDT reply actions
Not in Japan. I have quite a few friends there. Half my family is native of South Korea. A lot of my knowledge comes from their first hand experiences. I’ve also read an insane amount of literature on business in Japan. I know some people would scoff at “all you did was read about it…” but it’s hard to ignore the fact that most literature suggests that same conclusions over and over again. Reading on the history of American businesses in Japan will give everyone a sense of what I’m talking about though.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't questioning your credentials
just curious if you lived there- your knowledge seems very extensive.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 6, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If hioki and Aldo win
That could set up a nice co main event. I would buy it, I’m sure they wouldn’t have enough drawing power to be the main event but it’s a good start
Drink.
Pee.
Repeat.
Hey, if the UFC wants to piss money away on this, then go right ahead.
I won’t be buying this if its a PPV, so as long as I get my updates from BloodyElbow, then its all fine by me.
I don't know, but the guy quotes himself in his own signature - CaptnAmerca
You won't buy a UFC PPV solely based on the country it's taking place in?
You don’t even know who’s on the card yet.
The country doesn't matter much to me, but it's most likely going to be filled with Japanese fighters like the ones pictured.
Not interested.
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So you're a casual fan then
Nothing wrong with that, but I’m a fight fan. Some of the greatest MMA fights I’ve seen have been from mid-tier or journeyman fighters. I guess you only checked the updates on BE for Lytle vs. Hardy, shame you couldn’t catch that one.
Put two professionally trained guys in a cage and I’ll watch the shit out of it. Different strokes I guess.
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by Genki Sudo's Choreographer on Sep 7, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
zach arnold writes horribly
He just writes for attention. All his articles try to do is get reactions out of people. Not even his views. Im glad his crappy website runkalib went down.
by icrow on Sep 6, 2011 1:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think this might be a bit harsh.
Everything I’ve heard is that the Japanese fan base is still there, they just don’t have a product to get behind. The early start time will be bad for the gate, but it’s understandable because tape delays kill PPV numbers.
The UFC has never packaged MMA as something less than a sport and the idea that this card needs freak show fights is simply saying that the Japanese need to be handled with kid gloves. This is an opportunity to start the SLOW process of bringing the Japanese audience into the reality of the sport rather than putting on a show with cartoonish sensibilities. I think it won’t be the most successful event, but I think it’s important to do this now rather than ignore the market all together and have nothing in 2-3 years.
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Settle down man
they have to start SOMEWHERE. choosing not to do a Japanese show at all is an option as well but if they do that they are self-selecting themselves out of any future opportunity. It will serve as an important learning experience and could spark the interest of a younger generation who never really got to experience Pride. Give it a chance.
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Stop making sense!
Look, a foray into the 3rd richest country in the world is a flyer worth taking. I don’t think Zuffa plans to make money on this, but it will give them the opportunity to take the temperature of the Japanese MMA market, as presented in the UFC style.
It would be worth it
If they were doing anything to indicate they are trying to really penetrate the market.
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We don't know yet
How extensive the penetration is going to be yet. This is really the opening salvo.
Give me a break. This sentiment is said way too often. Start somewhere? Yeah, let’s start with an engine that doesn’t start in the middle of a cold winter. Good idea.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really interested in the Japan show
This is a direct attempt to appease a dying market that they essentially have helped slowly killed off, as well as people who cannot let go of PRIDE.
Several of the fighters on this list have losing records in the UFC.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
Can't win...
If Zuffa forgets about Japan altogether, they’re stupid for abandonning Asia and letting One FC grow… if Zuffa does a show in Japan, it’s a “wasteful vanity act”. Either way, can’t win.
by Shnak on Sep 6, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
They have other markets they can actually succeed in.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, maybe, but what’s wrong with the UFC putting a show in Japan every year just to remind One FC that it won’t be easy for them to dominate Asia?
Nothing. It’s just a waste of money in my opinion.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 6, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
OH NOES!!
The ufc is going about their business the wrong way!
Seriously, they’re making a solid effort without overextending themselves on something with a possible upside and that a number of fans wanted (even if an impressive amount of disappointed fans feel the need to express that this show doesn’t meet their specific (and impossible) expectations on what it should have been).
I understand the UFC wanting to finally make a reappearance in Japan, it’s been a hot topic the last couple years…so for that, I completely understand! Over the past couple years we’ve seen these great Japanese MMA heroes laid to waste by far superior “Non-Japanese” fighters…So I ask why NOW does the UFC want this card to come to fruition? Okami…KTFO’d by a Brazilian! Akiyama…same fate! Yamamoto…nowhere near a title shot at 135 or 145. Ricky Fukuda is a bright young talent, but there’s not enough star power with these lower weigh class fighters to bolster a PPV…maybe a free show. This might as well be co-promoted with Dream and WVR and be on HDNet. Especially if they fill the undercard with “local” Japanese talent…wtf is that? The Japanese MMA scene is dead. If the UFC was going to branch out to the Philippines for a season of the Ultimate Fighter, they should have coincided it with a Fight Night from the Phillipines. Use the growing MMA markets for expansion not a contracted Japanese market. China, Phill., Korea…these are all viable markets to expand to…I just don’t think Japan is the leader in Asian/Far East MMA anymore.
i think your hypothesis might be wrong
you underestimate the popularity of fighters in japan. japanese fans aren’t as fickle as american fans. they don’t care whether or not the fighter has a good record, they just care about whether or not they can put on a good fight. fighters like Omigawa, KID, Okami, Gomi, Hioki and even Akiyama (although they might want to see him get beat) are sure to bring out fans to watch. Look at Akitoshi Tamura and Kenji Osawa and K-taro Nakamura. they were well recieved by the japanese fans when they returned to fight in Japan
i have a feeling that most of them will get cut after the event depending on how well the event does.
You will all be eating crow
When the gate sells out in a few hours just like UFC Rio.
People were saying the same shit about Brazil and then the evnt sold out immediately and was awesome. UFC has quickly sold out whenever they have an event in a country they haven’t been to (in the Zuffa era). Japan won’t be any different.
UFC has quickly sold out whenever they have an event in a country they haven’t been to
Germany says hi.
Got me there
That was kind of a freaky situation though with German media blitzing the airwaves calling UFC a no good bloodsport and actively trying to get the event cancelled. Not to mention Germany has no MMA culture (Denis Siver FTW). Despite that, they still brought in over a $1.3 million gate and have gone back once.
Still sold out England, Ireland, Brazil, Australia, UAB, and Canada. 6 for 7 ain’t bad.
by IWillPartyHard on Sep 6, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think one event is going to make or break Zuffa.
I really think some important inroads will be made. I think the Japanese will see the difference between the American and Japanese fighters. I understand this isn’t going to be an overnight thing. However, Japan is an important market and Zuffa need to do something.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?

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