Hagler vs. Leonard: Oral History and Fight Video of a Boxing Classic
Grantland, Bill Simmons' pet project, is a hit-or-miss venture. They struck gold last week with an oral history of the 1987 middleweight championship fight between "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler and "Sugar" Ray Leonard.
For those unfamiliar, here are the basics: Hagler and Leonard, along with Thomas Hearns and Roberto Duran ruled the welter- and middleweight divisions in boxing during the mid-80s. Hagler fought both Hearns and Duran. Leonard fought both Hearns and Duran. Hearns and Duran fought each other. The missing piece of the de facto round robin was Hagler and Leonard.
In 1982, doctors diagnosed Leonard with a detached retina. He scheduled a press conference in Baltimore, and flew Hagler and his camp, who figured Leonard would formally challenge Hagler, in to attend. Instead, Leonard told Hagler that the fight between them would never happen, and then subsequently announced his retirement.
Five years later, after a one-fight comeback in 1984, Leonard returned to boxing, and the fight with Hagler was on.
One particular plot line of the buildup is relevant to today's MMA fan. Leonard paid J.D. Brown, primary matchmaker for Leonard's Victory Promotion, to spy on Hagler's camp:
Brown: One night I got a call from Mike. He told me to come to Ray's room, and they told me they wanted me to go spy on Hagler for a couple days. I disguised myself - my hair was black, so I dyed it gray. I put these horn-rimmed glasses on. And I went and sat in the back and watched him train for three days. I picked up a few things. He wanted to be in the center of the ring for all the sparring sessions; when a round would start and the guy would come out of the other corner, he'd be standing in the middle, waiting for him. And he got mad at his sparring partners, the Weaver triplets, because they weren't fighting him. They were boxing him. They were hitting him, moving, and he's like, "Come on, stop moving. Fight me, you little bitch!"
Samuels: The Weaver triplets had a lot of energy. That's why they were brought in, to get Marvin ready to deal with Leonard. And they did pose some problems. That's what they were supposed to do.
Carlino: I remember when J.D. Brown showed up. He was roaming around and I recognized him, but the Petronellis didn't know who he was. I didn't say anything to anyone because I didn't think it mattered. I figured there wasn't anything he could learn from watching public workouts.
Leonard: I said to J.D., "You show me that you were there by taking a picture with him to document it."
Brown: At the end of his training sessions, Hagler would sign autographs and take pictures. So I took a little camera up there, I put my arm around him, somebody took the picture, and I left. I came back and reported what I saw to Ray, and he put it to good use.
The fight is one of the most controversial and talked about decisions in boxing history. After the jump, footage from the fight highlighted by commentary from the principals.
Leonard: The bell rang. I saw Hagler in an orthodox stance. I wanted to say, "Hold on. Stop this fight. You're not doing the right thing!" It was that blatant. I was like, What are you doing? Then I thought, Well, shit, this is great! I had all this nervous energy, but when he did that, it settled me down. It occurred to me that he was a little bit more in awe of the moment than I was, and he was just as concerned as I was. That showed me a vulnerability that Marvin shows no one. When Hagler walks into that ring, he's a beast. But against me, he was more like a little lamb.
Hagler: A lot of people think I made a mistake by fighting him right-handed. But you know, the strategy was that I know he fought another southpaw - I can't remember his name, but [Leonard] looked good that fight. I knew that he knew how to fight southpaws, so you don't want to give him that look.
Leonard: At the start of the fourth round, I rushed right to the center of the ring. I did that in a lot of rounds. J.D. had come back from Palm Springs and said, "Ray, one thing about Hagler, he feels that the first person to the center of the ring wins the fight." So that's why I would do it. It's just the little things that I did to play with his head. Anything to prevent him from doing what he wanted. This was a small thing, but it was big for him. And later in the fourth round I landed that bolo punch to the body. It didn't hurt him, but it hurt his pride.
Merchant: All of a sudden the perception of the fight was completely different. Ray Leonard, the underdog, was winning. He was winning the drama of the fight as well as the fight itself. That builds a certain kind of emotional force and momentum, and maybe it influences some judges in close rounds. It was clear that, as the fight went on, Hagler understood he had to dig himself out of a hole that he himself had dug.
Hagler: I still came on, fighting him on the inside, even trying to beat him with his own speed. Everybody was looking for me to knock him out, but you know what? I just wanted to beat him.
Leonard: He buckled me in the fifth round with an uppercut. That was the only blow that hurt me. But when I use the word "buckled," I mean I was knocked off balance, stunned, but I wasn't in trouble. It was nowhere near like how I felt after the Quincy Taylor shot.
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Leonard: He shoved me when the bell rang to end the fifth. He was getting frustrated. I don't know what prompted that push, specifically. Maybe I looked at him a certain way, but it bothered him.
Hagler: People say his movement gave me problems. Movement? You mean running? The way the public looks at it, they say that was his strategy. I don't think that was strategy. I think he was fighting to survive. He tried to steal the last part of every round - that's amateur. Professional, you got to win the whole round, not 30 seconds.
Dunlap: Ray won the fight, in my opinion, in the ninth round. Marvin had him on the ropes, and Ray backed him off. And at that point, I felt like people were watching Ray rather than watching the fight. He backed up the beast. To me, that's when the fight turned. Marvin was getting back into the fight. He was making it close on the scorecards, and all of a sudden Ray took it away from him.
Merchant: As Hagler tried to catch up coming down the championship rounds, it created a melodrama. Was Ray going to hang on? Who was actually winning? Was Hagler going to be able to get him?
Tompkins: At the final bell, I made the call, "How do you like it?!" As a broadcaster, you never know what you're going to say in those situations. You hope you can say something that encapsulates what you've just seen, and I guess that had two meanings. It was like, "That was really something!" But also, because it was a close fight and how you scored it might have depended on which style you liked, I guess you could take it literally, "How do you like it?" Somewhere in the bowels of my mind, I probably meant it both ways, but I never thought, "What am I going to say when this fight's over?"
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Hagler: I was bouncing around the ring, and I'm all happy and everything, because he knew it and I knew it - that I won the fight.
Leonard: He did things that were totally uncharacteristic of him. At the end of the fight, before the decision was announced, he was dancing! Hagler never does that crap. He knew ... he knew.
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Hagler: Real boxing people, they know I won. And I just wait for the day - one day, Leonard's gonna tell the truth. He's starting to tell a lot of truth about a lot of things,2 so if he wants to tell the truth about this, I'm open.
Leonard: The second Hearns fight, when we got a draw, Hearns should have gotten the decision. I admit that. So don't you think if I thought Marvin beat me, I'd admit that, too? Look, I won the fight - whether I got the decision or not. I came from a five-year hiatus with one fight under my belt, fought the toughest guy in the world, [and] went the distance. I was a winner anyway, no matter what the decision was.
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Fun fight. I had Hagler by two rounds, but it was a crazy close fight so you can’t argue too much with the decision. The second Hearns fight was definitely a robbery.
I like Leonard, but he was my least favourite of the “four kings”. Duran is my favourite fighter of all time, I’m a huge Hearn’s fan, and then I preferred Hagler’s craziness to Leonard’s marketability. All GREAT fighters, though, and they gave us some all time great fights, and all time great moments, too.
Fun read.
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by Jack.Barrington on Sep 28, 2011 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
Tommy The Hitman Hearns
All time great.
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 28, 2011 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You speak the truth.
Along with Carlos Zarate, one of my favorite fighters ever. Always came to fight, not just to win.
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by Scabby Knuckle on Sep 28, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny I had SRL winning by 2-3 rounds
Hagler got peppered and outboxed through out the fight.
Many people were so biased towards Hagler.
Many people didn’t like SRL so many people gave all the close rounds to Hagler.
Listen I am a huge Hagler fan but SRL won it clearly in my mind.
by Mohammedini Hussein on Sep 28, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there are legitimate arguments for either fighter winning.
It was a weird fight to score and the contrasting styles and strategies of the two made it even weirder. Hagler was more aggressive and looked to land the more damaging blows throughout, but Leonard had those moments of dominance at the end of every round; it just comes down to what people put more weight in, not some weird anti Leonard bias.
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by Jack.Barrington on Sep 28, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I read this last week on Grantland
It is super informative and really well done. Highly recommend it to everyone.
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by HeadKickOfDoom on Sep 28, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions
This is the first boxing fight I remember seeing
as a kid, watching a replay with my dad (this would have been back in the early 90s).
Course, I didn’t start following boxing more closely until the last few years.
But great write-up and a great fight!
1987
A young 8 year old LRaun watching this fight with his pappy on a descrambler. Also an era when champs didn’t duck anyone to keep that 0 in the loss column.
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by LRaunThaDamaja on Sep 28, 2011 12:14 PM EDT reply actions
not a grantland fan at all
but this was a nice piece
grantland has also failed to mention the ufc or mma at all in its short existence
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by The Burning Scheyer Jersey on Sep 28, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
godawful enough for you to cover the story and material... cmon your better then that above comment.
Simmons didn’t put that piece together, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.
Go check out Simmons articles on fixing the NBA lockout and the AL MVP race. They are absurd.
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by II SMASH II on Sep 28, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s really funny that Grantand has such a great piece about a classic fight but their actual coverage of current boxing (which has been limited) has honestly been shit.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 28, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Raskin’s Haye/Klitschko and Money May things were okay.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/4372/an-imperfect-path-to-pacquiao-mayweather
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6724895/why-care
I like Raskin and Detloff. Would be nice to see them land somewhere lucrative. Nigel too, of course.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Sep 28, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Raskin, but that Mayweather piece was total garbage as far as I’m concerned. Way below what I expect from him.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 28, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously he's writing it for the Grantland readership who only follows boxing during the major PPVs …
… rather than for us who follow it daily. I think it did an adequate job of recapping the situation and explaining while, outside of Pac, Victor was really the best opponent available.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Sep 28, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Just this quote alone is the most succinct and accurate assessment of why Floyd won't fight I've ever read:
And why make $50 million against a guy you’re kinda-sorta confident you’ll defeat when you can make $25 million to fight guys you’re absolutely certain you’ll defeat?
Now any time someone asks me why the fight never happens I can just send them to that.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Sep 28, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
He tried to steal the last part of every round – that’s amateur. Professional, you got to win the whole round, not 30 seconds.
I love this quote. I hate it when guys try to ‘steal’ rounds.
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by chrisbboy82 on Sep 28, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL that is an epic myth
Hagler missed a lot and SRL controlled him through out the rounds and put a “shoeshine” in the end of every round.
That he won the fight by that is pure bullshit
by Mohammedini Hussein on Sep 28, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really a boxing fan and I’ve never watched the fight but I do like that statement from Hagler. It irritates me to no end when a fighter is obviously losing the round for over 4 minutes and then gets a takedown, does nothing with it, and Rogan says that he may have stolen the round with his 3 seconds of offense.
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by exsanguinator on Sep 28, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I agree
but SRL made him look like an amateur at times in the way he made him miss and landed his flurries.
by Mohammedini Hussein on Sep 28, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It works though. it always has. Finishing the round strong does make an impact in the minds of judges. The human mind being what it is, you remember the most recent moments with more impact than the earlier moments unless something very telling happened early.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 28, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I have that problem sometimes too while watching the fights
usually when I’ve been drinking or just not really paying attention. I dunno, I’m just kind of a rules lawyer I guess.
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by exsanguinator on Sep 28, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not just remembering the recent moments
It’s also that the fighter who puts on the burst at the end is showing that no matter what the other guy looked like he accomplished in the round, it had no effect.
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by Scabby Knuckle on Sep 28, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
My favorite will always be Hagler vs. Hearns. As a young kid growing up just north of Detroit this broke my heart.
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by jrobb20 on Sep 28, 2011 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed!!
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by LRaunThaDamaja on Sep 28, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
same here.
And Duran.
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 28, 2011 12:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed the WAR will also be remembered as one of the greatest piece of boxing history ever.
This was a tough fight a fight that put two of the greatest against eachother. There was no ducking of fights, no trying to keep your record with 0 losses. You put the two top lions together and we get to watch who owns the pride. Hagler bested Hearns that night but it was a night for boxing fans and a night when big fights meant something.
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 28, 2011 12:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Boxing is so corrupt
I thought that Hagler definitely won that fight and he got totally screwed. Sugar Ray danced around and showboated for a win. Sugar Ray Leonard always got the breaks.
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If you like piddy pat bullshit then SRL won if not not Hagler landed the harder shots. Judging can sometimes be based on personal preference. That’s true not only in boxing but MMA as well. I liked Hearns more than either one of these two, that jab was amazing. Plus being six feet tall and 147 with power dude was awesome.
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by clarkkentpunch on Sep 28, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hit or Miss? Really?
I pretty much suck up anything at Grantland. Simmons, Klosterman, Gladwell, Barnwell. Good stuff. The oral histories – like this one – are often the best part. The piece about The National was fantastic.
True enough, there hasn’t been a single mention of MMA (especially galling given the ridiculous attention given to pro wrestling and CM Punk – though the piece about Rick Flair was awesome), but article-for-article, I consider it the most reliable place to go to for good, entertaining writing.
And I am miles away from being sick of the ridiculous amount of fantasy leagues they’ve put together; I think Grantland has single-handedly demonstrated that anything can be quantified in a fashion that can be used to compete with, and mock, your friends.
I agree Subbevil. There are certainly not many sports/pop culture websites that can boast such a strong lineup of writing talent as Grantland has assembled.
by Jonathan Cabot on Sep 29, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
CompuBox Stats
Leonard was more accurate, while Hagler was the aggressor and landed the harder punches.
by compustrike on Sep 28, 2011 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Scored it..
Just re-watched the fight w/o sound. VERY close fight. Here’s round by round w/comments:
RD 1: 10-9 SRL – Close round, SRL appeared to land more crisp punches
RD 2: 10-9 MH – MH definitely landed the more damaging blows
RD 3: 10-9 MH – Slight edge to MH for damage
RD 4: 10-9 SRL – SRL owned the round, and MH seemed to slow throughout
RD 5: 10-9 MH – Big power shots from MH, closed round strong
RD 6: 10-9 SRL – SRL very elusive, frustrated MH, closed round strong
RD 7: 10-9 MH – Close round, gave to MH for more effective and damaging blows
RD 8: 10-9 MH – MH pushed pace, very effective to the body
RD 9: 10-9 MH – Very close round, effective body work won this one as well
RD 10: 10-9 SRL – SRL finally pushed pace and backed MH up. Best round yet for SRL.
RD 11: 10-9 MH – Another very tight round, but MH appeared to land bigger shots
RD 12: 10-9 SRL – SRL very elusive and provided several great flurries
Final: 115-113 in Hagler’s favor. Just my opinion on what I saw, but terrific fight now matter what. Definitely one for the ages.

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