If Shogun Beats Hendo- (A Number of Questions)
by thirdparty on Sep 27, 2011 7:28 PM EDT
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PrintIf Shogun beats Hendo at UFC 139, following Hendo's victory over Fedor, what does that say (if anything) about The Last Emperor (and other light heavies outside of the UFC)?
Granted, this is a little bit of sketchy fight math, but it could be worth considering. Hendo knocked Fedor out and Jones beat Shogun (viciously); if Shogun beats Hendo, does this "officially" make Jones the best LHW in the world? (Yeah, I know he's dominating the competition, but since we're probably never going to see Fedor in the UFC, just go with the thought...) Does it give him any sort of claim to "best LHW ever" or is it still far too early to consider that?
Would it mean that most upper-tier LHWs are better than present Fedor?
Do you think this is idle speculation? Or is it a commentary on the level of talent inside versus outside of the UFC? Does the UFC have a monopoly on the talent? Or is the division ripe for new blood?
Hendo beat Fedor- is this because Fedor's glory days are past him? He's not training at the same level? He's too old? Or just because he was facing subpar competition (as Dana might say)?
If Shogun beats Hendo, will it be because Hendo is 41? Just a good stylistic match-up? Shogun just being a killer?
If Hendo beats Shogun, what will that mean for their future? Who will Hendo fight next? How long can he keep fighting at 41 years of age? What would Shogun do, after a devastating loss to Jones and an L to an old man?
So, I'm just trying to throw some questions out there and see what people think. Don't take any of this too seriously, but I would like to see some debate. Sound off, guys, tell me what you think.
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If Hendo wins, then he fights the Jones/Rashad winner.
If Shogun wins, then the Davis/Machida winner fights for the title next. Shogun fights Rampage.
If Hendo wins, do you think can beat Jones OR Rashad? I’d seen the case made that Hendo could threaten Jones with his wrestling power and one-hit TKO, but I kind of feel like Jones would just elude him. And Rashad vs Hendo doesn’t look too good for Hendo to me either, do you think otherwise?
You have a pick for Shogun v Rampage?
I think Rashad vs Hendo is a great match-up.
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I think that's actually not so far off (except Machida/Davis being cancelled for now)
I don’t think they would match Shogun up with Jones/Evans winner after only two fights he won since suffering the defeat.
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I think
it means what most of have suspected all along. Actually even if hendo wins it still is the same.
-Fedor is not a cyborg.
-Fedor probably should have been a lhw all along and not have been taking some of those crazy matches early on, as they didn’t mean much
-While still one of the all-time greats, he was probably overrated.
-every puzzle has a solution.
The last is probably the biggest in my mind. Make no mistake, the biggest shock to me was against Bigfoot. This showed me that Fedor is not invincible. That big guys today are not just biog guys, but rather big guys with skill. If you are a drastically undersized HW, move to lhw. fedor got caught against Hendo and refs in the US are stopping the fight no matter what your name is. Fedor did a stupid thing against Werdum and paid the price, and honestly, wasn’t that result far overdue? Bigfoot, however, exposed fedor completely and as a Fedor fan, it was hard to watch.
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Do you think Fedor has any future as a LHW? Or will he just roll around doing fights for the cash?
Honestly, i think either he got old real quick or people have finally started to figure him out, With what seems to be a lack of desire to keep fighting at the highest level, I doubt if he wants to reinvent himself as a LHW.
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I am the biggest Fedor mark there is and you know what? Fedor got his reward for years of not training. It is obvious from his physique, his punching technique, his lack of technical prowess in ground fighting, his lack of evolution with the sport that he has not been doing what it takes to stay with it. Many would argue that he is past his prime but as someone that has followed him as close as a fan can, I say that he let himself go. He criticized cro-cop, saying that his heart wasn’t in fighting anymore. In reality, Fedor was speaking of himself.
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Nice
Very observant. After the Arlovski fight theres an article where his own trainers are angry because “Fedor won on old baggage”. They claim he had stopped putting time in at the gym and I believe a combination of getting older, comfortable, maybe lazy, believing his own hyper, and just having the years of competition get to him. Also, Fedor talked about how from a young age he was “always average” , but Hard Work (putting more time in then his teammates) is what brought him to a new level. So yea, just extra info
Fedor came to prominence in 2003.
His peak was in 2004-2007. It is now 2011. People want to say he fucked up here or there but he’s an athlete who got old. tI happens to everyone. Nothing he could have ever done would prevent aging and degradation of natural skills.
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I don't know why people won't concede this point
Fedor is old. Old athletes slow. Isn’t it possible that the biggest difference between Henderson and Fedor is just TRT? Don’t say Hendo takes better care of his body because the guy drinks like he’s Chuck Liddell.
Read: Toblerone Jones
Fedor is old? Really. He is 35. I do not believe that his losing is due to his age exclusively. It is more a matter of his training habits. He has never been a gym rat (obviously) and has only gotten more and more slack. FIghters can skate by without training a lot in MMA only so long, no matter how talented. Fedor has gotten a tiny bit slower, lost a LOT of muscle and has regressed from pretty technical fighter into a sloppy brawler.
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If Shogun wins, it obviously exposes GSP.
by discoandherpes on Sep 28, 2011 12:51 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I thought you said u had questions...
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If Shogun wins then he’s still a top guy. But we know he won’t beat Jones…kinda like how Jon Fitch and GSP. You would have to give him one more fight to get a rematch with Jones…the first fight was a real thrashing.
If Henderson wins then He’s one of the best ever and gets the shot after Rashad.
My opinion on Fedor is… it’s a combination of him getting old and sub par competition. I honestly don’t know too much about the man so I can’t say much more about him. I know guys here like to think he’s a god…but really I’m of the opinion that only the best of the best fight in the UFC, and he hasn’t done that. During Pride yeah he was the man but now…ehh.
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by Nightmare_wears_prada on Sep 29, 2011 6:09 PM EDT reply actions
Did Fedor even weigh-in as a LHW against Hendo?
I thought he weighed around 215-220. Either way, he’s only fought as a LHW once at most in his career, he’s about to fight Monson at HW…. Why are we comparing Fedor to LHWs? This hurts my head.
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