UFC 135 Results: Jon Jones Forces Rampage Jackson to Tap Out
by Matthew Roth on Sep 24, 2011 11:31 PM EDT
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Jones started bear crawling around the cage. Jackson landed a jab and defended the shot. Jones clinched with a full body lock and both fighters battle for position trading knees. Jones landed a big elbow. He stepped away and Jackson took the center of the cage. Several kicks landed for Jones. Rampage landed a hook to the body. Jones found a home for his leg kicks. Rampage didn't check any of them. Jones clinched again and Rampage landed an uppercut. Jones with a spinning elbow. Spinning kick misses for Jones and Rampage wildly throws without landing anything.
Rampage quickly took the center of the cage but Jones kept him at a distance with kicks. Rampage pressed forward and they clinch against the fence. Jones missed a spinning elbow. Punch landed for Rampage and forced Jones to reset. In the clinch Rampage doesn't take advantage of the position. Rampage hasn't found an answer for Jon Jones' kicks. Jones jumped guard at the close of the round to look for a triangle finish. The horn sounded before he could lock it up.
Rampage opened the round with leg kicks. He found success but didn't remain consistent with them. Jones answered with his own and then ducked for a single and then a double leg, getting Rampage to the ground. Jones quickly transitioned to mount and landed several damaging strikes. Rampage hipped out and regained his feet. Jones cut Rampage with one of those elbows. The straight kick to the knee definitely started to do damage with Rampage walking slower around the cage. Rampage tried to finish the fight with a wild combination but just missed Jones. He did land several jabs in the process. The round ends with Jon Jones shooting a double and dumping Rampage after the horn sounded. Super disrespectful way to close.
Jones came out with a sense of urgency trying to end the fight quickly in the beginning of the 4th. He hurt Rampage with a punch but tried to finish with a spin kick. Jones got the trip and then secured the rear naked choke to finish the fight, forcing Rampage to tap.
Jon Jones becomes the first defending UFC light heavyweight champion since Rampage defended against Dan Henderson. He also is the first man in the UFC to finish Rampage in the promotion. He put on an absolute stand up clinic, mixing kickboxing with traditional martial arts techniques to batter Quinton Jackson. Jones is now 8-1 in the organization and has cemented himself as the future of the division. Quinton Jackson entered the fight in tremendous shape and still was unable to put together any significant offense. He found some success but was never able to follow up to put Jones in danger. Jackson is now 6-3 in the UFC and 32-9 overall. Jon Jones will next face Rashad Evans in the near future. Head over to MMANation to see what Kid Nate saw in this fight.
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I dont know
this fight he didn’t seem as dominant as everyone makes him out to be, I still see the same man that was only able to decision bonnar. He will always outpoint people with the ridiculous reach though, but seeing him not able to take rampage down was pretty interesting.
I’m starting to think evans would be the one to hand jones his first real loss, hes much faster than rampage and that could be the difference, rampage was out of reach and slow.
im starting to think
youre out of your mind
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Sep 25, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s true that Jones has had no significant attempts at being taken down. I personally don’t think that Rashad can keep him there, and Rashad has to cover a lot of distance in order to even come close to taking him down, but Rashad certainly can and should try and take him down. Who knows what’ll happen.
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He isn't remotely fast enough.
Jon vs. Cain, immediately. Jon didn’t break a sweat., and just did whatever he wanted.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 25, 2011 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I may have to re-watch h the fight, but I don’t remember seeing anything too spectacular. The excitement level of the fight started high then as we got to the fourth round it dropped dramatically. You could see it in rampages face he wanted the easy way out and I knew he would give jon that choke and thats what happened.
Joking about Cain,
but I really didn’t think Jon needed anything spectacular. I didn’t think he even looked his best, and just kinda let Rampage play out his game, without pushing the pace at all. When he decided to take him down in the third and fourth, he just went right ahead and did it, and while I’ve since heard Rampage’s explanation for turning away and giving up his neck, at the time, it really looked to me like Rampage just lay down like a caught gazelle in the grip of a lion. It just looked too easy for him to land at will and neutralize every aspect of Page’s game.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 25, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I didnt even hear the explanation, but watching the fight it looked like he was possibly hurt and wanted out of the fight and being submitted was his easiest way out. I really hope jones means it when he says he will go to the heavyweight division I think there are way more exciting fights for him there than at 205.
I'm okay with waiting a bit.
I’d like to see him fight Rashad and Lyoto, though I’m totally confident (despite my Lyoto fanboyism) he’ll take them out. Eventually, I do think he’ll go up unless we see some great new talent arrive at 205. Gustaffson and Davis are both good fighters, but we’ll have to see them develop a lot before I give either one a chance.
Rampage’s explanation was that he was trying to hide the cut over his eye from Jon’s elbows and just turned away without thinking.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 25, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You could see it in rampages face he wanted the easy way out and I knew he would give jon that choke and thats what happened.
I don’t think he “wanted the easy way out” at all, Jones just kept doing things with his right arm and hand trying to get Rampage defend with the left, and the moment he did, he got his left arm around his neck, at which point it was essentially over.
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by The American Ronin on Sep 25, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I still see the same man that was only able to decision bonnar.
This is a silly statement. His evolution has been as fast and complete as any fighter in the sport. His striking is legitimately excellent now. He can take you down and he can submit you when he gets there. He just finished two guys who are notoriously hard to finish in absolutely decisive fashion. You’re trying too hard to hate him if you aren’t impressed.
Also, he did take Rampage down, and it wasn’t like Rampage was stopping takedown after takedown early in the fight. Jones took what was available, and wasn’t that urgent about putting him on the ground since he was outclassing him everywhere else.
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by Dave Strummer on Sep 25, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
i wish i could articulate the way you did at this stage of my drunkness
you have no idea how long it took to type ‘articulate’ properly.
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by Sterling Archer on Sep 25, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, Jones does not have good striking still.
It’s really rudimentary. Everything else you said is true. The dude has evolved and grown between every fight to an extent where watching tape is nearly futile. He won’t be the same fighter you watched a few months ago. But his striking ain’t good yet. If it were, he’d have put Rampage out in the first two instead of getting most of his strikes blocked and checks since he used zero setups or angles standing.
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by pdl on Sep 25, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
so now it's not even "good"?
C’mon man.
Who is good then? Rampage is one of the best in the division at using angles and footwork, and Jones schooled him. He’s fast, he’s dynamic, he’s getting much better at using his length and he’s got an arsenal of truly nasty kicks that he uses to devastating effect. When you beat the shit out of Shogun Rua and Rampage Jackson standing your striking is better than “good.”
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by Dave Strummer on Sep 25, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Making people tentative because of takedowns and insane athleticism
does not make somebody a talented striker. He still makes fundamental footwork mistakes regularly and has zero setup to his strikes. Just kinda throws stuff and let Rampage check it.
As a fan of boxing and kickboxing, it’s impossible to call Jones a good striker based on his performances. Maybe someday. He has the size and body type to kick like Badr Hari or snap a jab and follow with power like Vitali, but so far he hasn’t done anything even comparable to that so far.
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He has the size and body type to kick like Badr Hari or snap a jab and follow with power like Vitali, but so far he hasn’t done anything even comparable to that so far.
…who the fuck has? He’s a guy with 15 MMA fights, expecting him to strike like highly skilled champions from boxing and kickboxing is a bit much wouldn’t you say?
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 25, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
There's a reason we don't compare MMA fighters to boxers and kickboxers
Paul Daley’s striking is “excellent” for MM but he’d get mauled by the Super Middleweights and Light Heavyweights he’d be in against. For MMA, Jones striking is excellent.
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by Dave Strummer on Sep 25, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Jones is a beast
I don’t see any of the upcoming challengers beating him unless he gets 1 shot by an H bomb.
maybe but Jones will beat hendo ass
Anderson would KO Fedor That is all.
I have a feeling Hendo would look similar to how Rampage did in this fight. And we’ve seen how Shogun did. I’m actually intrigued about how a match-up with Rashad would go.
the difference is Hendo would get put on his back and overwhelmed, in my opinion. I don’t think he’d be able to fend off the takedown attempts like Rampage did.
Hendo was an olympic wrestler.
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Hendo has a history of being on his back
Rampage and Shields have the blueprint of how to outwrestle him. Although Shields’ gameplan involved not getting KTFO’d.
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by SSreporters on Sep 24, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Comparing the Shields fight is not a fair comparison. Hendo sucked wind at 185 badly. He gassed out hard.
If Hendo fought Jones, you can bet he would train to stop the takedown.
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King Mo talked about this
if you don’t continue to constantly drill your wrestling your skills will deteriorate. I think at this point it’s safe to say that JBJ is a better wrestler than Hendo
"Well, whatever you do, however terrible, however hurtful, it all makes sense, doesn't it, in your head. You never meet anybody that thinks they're a bad person."
It doesnt but if Hendo places a high priority on drilling his wrestling, it comes back. he just hasn’t done it. He has been relying on the right hand
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
I still don’t think he’ll be able to stop him. Jones will have his massive reach and height advantage, and Hendo will be forced to charge in and swing his h-bomb.
He’ll end up off balance and Jones will take him down
I agree, Jones will beat Hendo fairly easily. I think no one at LHW has a prayer against Jones. Only at HW will he find any challenges.
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is if Anderson Silva decides to fight again at 205.
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by lonewolfz28 on Sep 24, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Forget Andy/GSP
Now that’s a fight I’d like to see right now.
Hendo was an olympic wrestler.
True enough, he was an Olympic GR guy, but 15+ years is forever ago…
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by The American Ronin on Sep 24, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Saying that Hendo was an Olympic Wrestler is as relevant these days as saying that Frankie Edgar was a plumber. (overexeggerations ftw).
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by dancingChicken on Sep 25, 2011 4:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
He largely neglected and/or ignored for years, once he fell in love with his stand-up.
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by The American Ronin on Sep 25, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The size difference does work against him, but I think the speed would compensate. He certainly wouldn’t be as immobile as Page was for most of the fight. I think one of the biggest advantages for JJ though is one I don’t hear too many people bring up would be the tactical advantage. I don’t believe for a second Greg Jackson wouldn’t have tips for him on how to nullify Rashad in a fight, and while Rashad probably does know JJ’s bad habits in the cage, JJ still has Jackson to quiz on Evans.
Rashad has to learn how to kick, otherwise he will get foot jabbed all night.
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by dancingChicken on Sep 25, 2011 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Machida
is the fight that interests me most vs Jones, just to see how it pans out stylistically
by Silvio Dante on Sep 25, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if he is going to return to BE or create a new account.
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by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 24, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
He always has Guillard.
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That was impressive to say the least.
But the Jones haters will nitpick at anything, I shall enjoy your delicious tears now.
by Maclovio Williams on Sep 24, 2011 11:34 PM EDT reply actions
There's a lot of them. My thirst is quenched.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 25, 2011 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice fight by Jones
Can’t say I wasn’t on the edge of my seat thinking what happens if one of Rampages bombs connects.
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by Bloodsport on Sep 24, 2011 11:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The hyperbole is going to get out of control as if it wasn’t out of control already. I don’t know what it is about Jones but I can not fucking stand him or the things he does to the media.
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by exsanguinator on Sep 24, 2011 11:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
right just because some one is good at doing it
Anderson would KO Fedor That is all.
actually it’s because they are incredibly dangerous. crippling even.
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by exsanguinator on Sep 24, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
MMA
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by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 24, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah let's ban Anderson Silva while we're at it
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by Joben on Sep 24, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
You'd have to then ban heel hooks and knee bars.
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by pud333 on Sep 25, 2011 12:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
flying knees too. Hell..just ban Bones so it can be fair to other fighters
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by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 24, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You are going to hell with it. Strikes that look to hyper extend a knee is nothing like a knee bar. The same type of hyper extension is where the comparison ends.
In a knee bad the fighter has a choice to end the fight by tapping, if he feels the need to gut through the pain and wait for his knee to be fucked that’s his mistake.
A front kick to the knee can cause instant injury without the fighter ever having the choice of tapping to it before the injury happens.
People go on about “why don’t we ban jabs too while we are at it” bullshit when the reality of it is right in front of t5heir face and either they are too stupid to see it or ignorant to see it. Seeing as most folks tend to be smart i go with the second option. Front kicks to the knee should be banned for the simple fact that they are not useful only in the act of crippling someone.
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by Riley_96 on Sep 25, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You are getting a rec from me, this is my line of thinking exactly. Heel hooks come on fast but if you recognize the position you have more than enough time to tap, the same as knee bars. You can defend against punches to the head and you can defend against flying knees. But a front kick to the knee cap is just plain dangerous.
That’s like saying, why are fish hooks illegal? Or hits to the back of the head? They are both legitimate fight ending techniques but they are both too dangerous to be allowed.
I like how thinking that a certain technique should be illegal automatically makes me a Jon Jones hater. I am, but that’s not my motivation here.
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by exsanguinator on Sep 25, 2011 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I tend to agree
Can’t blame him in the slightest for using them since they are legal, but I would have no objection to them being made illegal.
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by The American Ronin on Sep 25, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Not useful?
I don’t agree with making them illegal, but particularly saying they have no use other than to injure is just silly. Those kicks stop your opponent from moving toward you. If they’re trying to rush in under your guard, you stop them in their tracks. Not to mention simply knocking a guy off balance, leaving him vulnerable to punches. The reason they’re not often used is that not too many guys are skilled enough to pull it off. I do agree that they’re a bit dangerous, but uniquely so in comparison to a lot of other techniques, not to mention slams and throws, where the greatest possibility for paralysis exists.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 26, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we just need to ban everything Jon Jones does
That isn’t conventional MMA.
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by SSreporters on Sep 24, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Has nothing to do with Jones in particular. Anderson Silva does them too and I hate them all the same. If my favorite fighters did it, I’d be pissed as well. It’s not a bias towards or for anyone. It’s a bias against the move.
by FlyByKnight on Sep 24, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you propose that that kick be regulated?
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Side of the knee is fine. Front is not. Anything thrown directly to the front of the kneecap shouldn’t be allowed.
by FlyByKnight on Sep 24, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Side of the knee so they can blow out someone's ACL?
It’s been done before. But hey, lets ban all kicks to the knee…and the head…and the liver. Oh heck, let’s ban all kicks. They’re all too dangerous.
While we’re at it, we’d better ban all of those eye threatening punches and elbows too.
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by lonewolfz28 on Sep 24, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why?
It wouldn’t make sense to me that it’s legal to hyper-extend someone’s knee with a kneebar but not a kick. Front kicks to the knee wouldn’t make my top 20 most dangerous techniques in MMA.
My name isn't Todd.
Two completely different things. Knee bar a person can tap, some one trying to cripple you with a strike is another thing.
I’d rather just climb this fridge
Every one of his moves are fake so I agree
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He throws jabs with spikes in his fist
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by SSreporters on Sep 24, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah those were messed up
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by AwkwardBoner on Sep 24, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like them either tbh
But I think they’re only really dangerous if you twist the foot and ‘walk through’ the knee
by Cunny on Sep 25, 2011 12:13 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Ban being better than everyone else, Harrison Bergeron.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 25, 2011 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The odds makers had it right
and honestly this was completely expected.
The dude is a freak and does whatever the f’ he wants in the ring.
No one at LHW can stop him. I wanna see Lyoto fight but after that I’d like to see him at heavy weight
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Rashad and Shogun/Hendo stand no chance against Jones.
Damn it, I want him to lose, but seeing this performance only reaffirms my belief that he will be the Silva of light heavyweight. It will be interesting to see what the Jones haters will come up with next to discredit him.
Well...
Let’s remember this is the LHW division we’re talking about here. How many different supposed ‘eras’ has it gone through already?
Instead of leaving comments like this, why don’t you examine Jon Jones’ performance tonight and his overall career in the UFC and then look through the light heavyweight division and tell me, who has any sort of chance of stopping him?
lol, there’s nothing wrong with leaving comments like mine, and I’m a little surprised you seem to take offense to it. Not to mention it’s also true – the last LHW champion to truly define his title reign as an era was Chuck Liddell. The 205 title’s been dropped and changed hands in relatively quick succession from guys who were heralded as unbeatable for a variety of reasons, only to turn around and lose, and it’s way to soon IMO to start thinking Rashad and Hendo have NO chance against the guy. Unlikely, sure. But not impossible. Not yet. He should still have to rack up another win or two as champ.
Like I said, look at Jones’ skillset and performances and please tell me who in the entire division has more than a lucky flush punch KO chance of beating him instead of just saying ‘the titles changed hands a lot so he’ll lose soon’
Didn’t say he would lose soon, but it is too soon for some people to crown him as unstoppable yet. So get off your high horse.
As for his skill set, its a shame Rampage isn’t more versatile as a fighter. While mostly losing for the whole fight by being unable to control the pace of the fight or launch significant offense, it should be kept in mind that he’s also lasted longer than anybody else has against Jones thus far, and showed some interesting techniques when he initially nullified some of Jones signature offense like the back elbow. A faster, more disciplined fighter than Page can take some notes from that and expand on it.
Wow bro
Calmdown
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by Bloodsport on Sep 25, 2011 12:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Calm down?
Reply fail, or was there something specific you disagreed with?
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by The American Ronin on Sep 25, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not only beaten but also stopped two mainstay top 5 fighters in Rampage and Shogun. I think its pretty safe to now say that he’s as close to unstoppable as a fighter can get.
Wow so your point is, someone who fights differently than Rampage will have a better shot? Well no shit, but who exactly? The fighters I give the biggest chance are Machida and Gustafsson, once he matures and gets a little more in ring experience. Shogun will never be the fighter that he once was, and doesn’t stand a chance, Rashad’s only pathway to victory will be laying on Jones for the 5 rounds, which is pretty unlikely considering the massive size advantage Jones would have as well as with his takedown defense which is very good.
Also I should mention that I’m not one of his fanboys, in fact I want Jones to lose with every fiber of my being. I just know it ain’t happening any time soon
He’s not only beaten but also stopped two mainstay top 5 fighters in Rampage and Shogun. I think its pretty safe to now say that he’s as close to unstoppable as a fighter can get.
I think it’s safe to say that he’s a top 5 fighter in the division. Unstoppable? Not by a long shot.
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by exsanguinator on Sep 25, 2011 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Who could potentially beat Bones – Rashad’s being overlooked, IMO. Machida’s elusiveness would be VERY interesting to see against Bones. And with a little more time to develop, Phil Davis could possibly do a thing there. And if Anderson Silva moved up, who knows? I have a hard time seeing Jones steamrolling Silva, even if he does win that one. Too soon to say he’s unstoppable yet when there’s still some upper-tier LHWs with styles Jones hasn’t gone up against yet.
And my point still stands. He’s only just won his FIRST title defense. Let’s at least see him be the first 205lb champ since 2006 to defend his belt more than once before we prematurely crown him as the LHW version of GSP and Anderson.
Page didn't last longest
Bones has been to decision before
Bonnar > Page > Shogun
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by Cunny on Sep 25, 2011 12:27 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Try REGULARMath
4 is a higher number than 3. Rounds go in sequential order. Ergo, the 4th round comes after the 3rd round. A person who makes it to the fourth round had lasted a longer period of time than a person who only goes 3 full rounds.
by Trysdor on Sep 25, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rashad? Phil Davis? Alex Gustafsson?
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Rashad has a legitimate shot imo, and Gustafsson might in another 1.5 – 2 years if he can greatly improve his TDD.
While I am high on Davis in general, everything he does in MMA, Jones does better and faster.
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by The American Ronin on Sep 25, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Only one
and the failure of Machida to live up to the hype that Rogan heaped upon him has no bearing on Jones or his stature in the division. People cite this only-one-title-defense-since-Chuck thing like it is a valid statistic, when it doesn’t have any bearing on Jones. His skill set, athleticism and body type is going to make him virtually impossible for any current UFC LHW to beat.
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by Dave Strummer on Sep 25, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
76.
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by Zachary Kater on Sep 24, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
My Reaction:
"There is no matter as such—mind is the matrix of all matter."- Max Planck
by Sir Smoke-A-Lot on Sep 24, 2011 11:37 PM EDT reply actions
Wasn't Machida the last person to technically defend the LHW title?
I know it was hotly contested (Shogun should have won) and all, but he should get props
iirc yeah he was
"Don't be limited by fixed ideas nor by some trifling common sense...break the standards!"
by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 24, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The funny thing is that Sherdog said the same thing in it’s recap. I guess everyone thought of the second Machida-Shogun fight as erasing the first.
by paythefighters on Sep 25, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
The only thing that I found weird is how quickly Jones’ mood turned once Rashad came into the ring. I guess he genuinely wants to beat his ass. Also Rashad sounded like a scared man during the Rogan interview, after seeing that beatdown I guess he knows what’s coming
Rashad has always been a softspoken guy who always talks about his opponent’s strengths. Not sure where you saw he was ‘scared’.
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
Rashad isn't scared of Jones
Evans has seen Jones shine in the cage, but also remember he has seen him flounder in the gym.
I’d rather just climb this fridge
He didn’t sound scared at all, he just sounded like he wasn’t going to be drawn into a live pissing contest in the cage, immediately following Jones’ win.
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by The American Ronin on Sep 25, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Machida defended more recently than Rampage
Won his first defense against shogun even if we all know he really lost that fight…
efb
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Fucking Roth.
If you want beef then bring the ruckus.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 25, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
so my fellow brethren, was it a good fight? jones vs jackson
by higgledy-piggledy on Sep 24, 2011 11:39 PM EDT reply actions
I guess i can say it now welcome to the jon jones ERA!
Anderson would KO Fedor That is all.
Jon Jones is pacing himself a lot better than he used to
His striking and punches are still a little slow but his defense is great. I think he can do without leaving his chin up but he can dodge and move so well for such a big man.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
well he does have chicken legs
Anderson would KO Fedor That is all.
He dodges so well because he is three feet away at all times. Foot work has improved and his hand seem to be better. No one will see Jones get tested until a fighter finds a way to get close to him. Jones is just another puzzle, and like the rest before him he will be solved.
I’d rather just climb this fridge
Not sure if you’re serious but the title of the article is: UFC 135 Results: Jon Jones Forces Rampage Jackson to Tap Out
"Don't be limited by fixed ideas nor by some trifling common sense...break the standards!"
by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 24, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
RASHAD WAR WAGON
will be accepting sig bets from all comers
Rashad will fade JBJ (not sure if that is the correct usage of the word for I’ve only seen psychoblack use it haha)
"Well, whatever you do, however terrible, however hurtful, it all makes sense, doesn't it, in your head. You never meet anybody that thinks they're a bad person."
by JJB73 on Sep 24, 2011 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm in for a sig bet
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
done
now we just have to remember when they fight months from now haha
"Well, whatever you do, however terrible, however hurtful, it all makes sense, doesn't it, in your head. You never meet anybody that thinks they're a bad person."
Aight.
JJB73
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
Machida
Machida has a good chance against Jon Jones.
Link for Post-fight Press Conference: http://www.ufc.com/media/ufc-135-post-fight-pc
by riocorreeente on Sep 24, 2011 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, saved me some trouble
"Don't be limited by fixed ideas nor by some trifling common sense...break the standards!"
by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 24, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Man Rampage has to feel like a fool after all the trash he was talking
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
Yeah..and he submitted to the guy. Yikes
"Don't be limited by fixed ideas nor by some trifling common sense...break the standards!"
by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 24, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
…and to tap out, the worst way to lose, giving up, admitting defeat
by Fatty Fish Belly on Sep 25, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather tap out then wake up wondering what the fuck happened.
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by exsanguinator on Sep 25, 2011 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions
He looked a hell of a lot better than anyone else has.
Stuffed a bunch of takedowns, blocked most of Jones’ shots. He missed on some haymakers and never really got his own offense going but he didn’t look anywhere near as bad as Shogun. I thought he looked pretty good considering all the physical advantages he was giving up.
If you want beef then bring the ruckus.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 25, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t the dragon defend the lhw belt once. I know there was a bit of controversy there.
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Sep 24, 2011 11:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Is there any Question that Jackson will be in Jone's corner?
It was a question when Jon won the belt because Rashad was still a member of the team. I think that he went on his own now and there is no conflict left. That is a pretty big advantage for Jones – besides him being awesome at fighting.
"You're... you're crazy man. I like you, but you're crazy."
I believe he said he isn't cornering either fighter
Drink.
Pee.
Repeat.
by DonnMcslick on Sep 24, 2011 11:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he won't be cornering either fighter for GSP v Condit
which is BS because Condit has been there way longer, but he’ll definitely be cornering JBJ after Hashad went to Imperial Athletics
"Well, whatever you do, however terrible, however hurtful, it all makes sense, doesn't it, in your head. You never meet anybody that thinks they're a bad person."
Carlos left for a long time, and came back only in the last year.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 25, 2011 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, seeing as Rashad doesn't train with Jackson, I'd doubt he'd be in Evans' corner
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
Good observation
Guess it isn’’t an issue and I should just die.
"You're... you're crazy man. I like you, but you're crazy."
That would be wise.
Just messin around man, I guess I came off as a bit of a prick there, sorry.
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
I thought you were talking about Rampage
I was like “Why would he corner either fighter? He’d be terrible anyway”
by Cunny on Sep 25, 2011 12:22 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Roth how'd you do on your picks?
Wasn’t it Hughes and rampage you had on the main events?
Drink.
Pee.
Repeat.
by DonnMcslick on Sep 24, 2011 11:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ooo Jones/Jackson got fight of the night.
"Don't be limited by fixed ideas nor by some trifling common sense...break the standards!"
by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 24, 2011 11:55 PM EDT reply actions
"Super disrespectful way to close."
Those tears, they sustain me haha
by HaterSlayer on Sep 24, 2011 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Anyone else
think it was weird the way Jones dumped Hampage after round 3 I think?
"Well, whatever you do, however terrible, however hurtful, it all makes sense, doesn't it, in your head. You never meet anybody that thinks they're a bad person."
Was just laughing lol. Interesting display of strength, though.
"Don't be limited by fixed ideas nor by some trifling common sense...break the standards!"
by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 25, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I thought it was a bullshit and completely unnecessary move. Jones loves to talk about sportsmanship but he’s been on the other side many times now.
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
Really?
Go to a HS wrestling tournament and you’ll see that done a dozen times. Kids stop at the whistle of horn. Trust me, Rampage has most likely been on the giving and recieving end of that multiple times as an amateur wrestler.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
by duck on Sep 25, 2011 12:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just because a bunch of high schoolers do it in wrestling tournaments doesn’t make it any less unsportsmanlike. lol @ your argument.
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
Cry some more. He was just playing with his food.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 25, 2011 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions
If it were the other way around I know the reaction around here
“The cocky ass SOB got what he deserved…..”
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
by SSreporters on Sep 25, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I can barely hear a thing on the post fight
is it just me or is my sound fuxd?
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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 25, 2011 12:01 AM EDT reply actions
er
or is their sound fuxd
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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 25, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Mauro Ranallo's opinion is that Silva is the only threat to Jones
And was pretty confident that UFC will make it! I doubt it, but still
Seriously, Cormier would get mauled in there.
He’s not close to ready yet, if he ever will be.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 25, 2011 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions
LOOOOL @ his wikipedia!!!
God damn it CHECK IT! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cormier
by Darko Serbia on Sep 25, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
…Wow.
"Don't be limited by fixed ideas nor by some trifling common sense...break the standards!"
by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 25, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Possible HW…wowzers
"Don't be limited by fixed ideas nor by some trifling common sense...break the standards!"
by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 25, 2011 12:05 AM EDT reply actions
Dana hitting you MW haters with some REALITY
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
What he did was illegal
Picking up Rampage after the bell rang, that’s a physical attack. The kid is dirty, but gets away with it.
nah no harm was done
Anderson would KO Fedor That is all.
I wonder what would happen if Rampage hurt himself there. TKO victory to Jones?
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
I'd expect a NC
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
Oh, your tears are so yummy.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 25, 2011 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions
The question is can Hendo deal with him?
Or Rashad (I doubt that one) or Machida, or anyone. What is the key to beat Jones? To get in the distance and throw bombs… It obviously wasn’t that easy…
Hendo is a middleweight
The other problem is if you get inside(and Rampage did a few times) he’ll clinch and try to take you down.
by HaterSlayer on Sep 25, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
And people
stop saying Silva/Jones. Jones hasn’t even gone through half the LHW contenders yet. He’s defended his title once. You’re insulting the other 205 challengers with this nonsense. He deserves a Superfight after one title defense, really? Maybe he should prove that he can beat all the guys in his own weight class first.
Stop trying to find a cheap way out of protecting GSP from meeting Silva, which is the only ifght that makes sense at this point.
Rampage is here!
"Don't be limited by fixed ideas nor by some trifling common sense...break the standards!"
by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 25, 2011 12:12 AM EDT reply actions
War Rashad 2.0
Rampage had no answer to jones, as expected Jones rendered all his offense useless.
I am willing to test myself against the toughest fighters in the world, in front of hundreds of thousands or even millions of fans, over and over again. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose, but I always come to fight. I've been doing this for the past fourteen years, and I have at least a few more strong years left in me. What have you done in the past fourteen years other than act like a moron on this forum and hang on Anderson's nuts? - Dan Henderson.
Gold Experience Requiem
"Don't be limited by fixed ideas nor by some trifling common sense...break the standards!"
by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 25, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
who does Rampage fight now
He will never beat Jones, doesn’t have the tools to do it. He is probably THE high level gate keeper now at 205
does he fight the loser of hendo/shogun? Test Phil Davis? Fight Franklin? Forrest?
He seems to be losing his athleticism but he obviously still has his strength.. he was able to stop most of Jone’s takedowns and no one else has been able to. Rampage just isn’t as explosive as he used to be… dudes getting old.
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The Rampage that fought tonight
would be a favorite against anyone else at 205.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
by duck on Sep 25, 2011 12:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
agreed
he was in really great shape, his TDD is great too.
This was just a horrible match up for rampage, he will probably face Thiago Silva next which would be a great fight.
I am willing to test myself against the toughest fighters in the world, in front of hundreds of thousands or even millions of fans, over and over again. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose, but I always come to fight. I've been doing this for the past fourteen years, and I have at least a few more strong years left in me. What have you done in the past fourteen years other than act like a moron on this forum and hang on Anderson's nuts? - Dan Henderson.
I'd love to see Rampage/Forrest II.
It’d be a huge PPV seller too, as a co main to Brock/Overeem, or in Japan if that’s what Page wants.
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
So Rampage thinks Evans is the only person who has a chance to defeat Jones in the division. Thanks to time they(Evans and Bones) spent training together.
"Don't be limited by fixed ideas nor by some trifling common sense...break the standards!"
by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 25, 2011 12:24 AM EDT reply actions
Can someone summarize what Rampage said postfight?
I was in a loud bar but it looked like he was going on and on.
"I now will stop posting on BE as psychoblack."
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Sep 25, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
That's Kimbo.
Quit hatin fadin.
If you want beef then bring the ruckus.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 25, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
He was actually quite humble and gracious in defeat.
Said Jones was legit, he was in the shape of his life for the fight.
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 25, 2011 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that Jones is a great fighter and possibly better than Anderson Silva, but I still hate his personality and the ridiculous things he says.
i love his personality dont care what the haters say he say whatever
Anderson would KO Fedor That is all.
by TigerTD on Sep 25, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think what you, and everyone else, hate...
…is what you project as his personality. You create some fantasy about his “fake-ness” to suit your ridiculous hate.
Don’t worry, I won’t be surprised if you have a long time to refine your hate for Jon.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
My thoughts for the (hopefully) 3 people that care....
I don’t think it was as dominant as most people seem to…. Jones did a great job but it was a decent fight going into the fourth round. Rampage never landed anything decent; Jones never seemed to really hurt Rampage but was certainly landing more effectively.
I am still not a fan of Jon Jones the person. (I am more than willing to admit that I am not quite sure why)
I don’t see anyone beating Jones. Maybe Anderson Silva…..MAYBE. I think Jones would be too big though and, at best, Anderson might get lucky enough to make it to a lopsided decision loss. It pains me to say that, but I just don’t gosh darn know how to beat Jon Jones (says the manager of a law firm with minimal fighting ability). I don’t think Rampage should be counted out and if he was less tentative and put in a full camp knowing what Jones brings to the table, he might do better next time. Maybe Rampage fights the loser of Henderson v. Shogun and, if he wins that, maybe Rashad followed by another chance at Bones? (pride never die please)
Love,
Me.
I would disagree...
I thought that by the fourth, Rampage’s legs were obviously hurting. He was not able to close the distance at all. I also thought that the cut was pretty bad. I got to give it to Rampage, I was certain that with the full mount Jones had him defeated.
At no point did it indicate to me that Rampage was making any headway.
"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"
by UMBC Oriole fan on Sep 25, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh definitely, I don't think Rampage was making headway either, it just seemed to be because he wasn't doing the right things.
He seemed unnecessarily tentative for some reason. I think if they fought again tonight, the same thing would happen. I just feel like it was a good scrap and Rampage should be able to take a lot away from this. Rampage needs a new camp. He is young enough and experienced enough to make one last go with a proper camp. His team said between rounds “find your range!!!!, find your range!!!!!!”….really? That’s it? Find my range?
Like I said, I don’t think there’s anyone out there to beat bones right now. Disappointed in the performance of Rampage I guess :(
by Brandon Starr on Sep 25, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure though...
with his set of tools, how he could have gotten more success. I mean, I’m certain that if he had anything he could have done, he would have done it. I still respect the hell out of him and he put up a better fight than Shogun. I am still coming to terms with how bad Jones made him look.
Its just frightening to see Jones performing at this level so young. At this point, he himself is the only thing that can stop him.
"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"
by UMBC Oriole fan on Sep 25, 2011 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Rampage wouldn't beat Jones, but he did himself proud.
Came in in great shape, defended well, and held his ground until the difference in age/athleticism caught up with him.
If you want beef then bring the ruckus.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 25, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess I just feel like there is more he could have done.
I think he underestimated him and has more to offer. I’ve been wrong before though (once, a long time ago).
by Brandon Starr on Sep 25, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
More to offer?
He had the best camp he’s ever had. It wasn’t enough.
If you want beef then bring the ruckus.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 25, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
All of the training I saw (and you for that matter, unless you have some inside access that I dont)....
was conditioning. It was checking his body fat and jumping high. It was eating right and lifting up ropes and shit.
He has a shit camp. It’s shit. Argue as much as you want but I think Bisping gets a ton more out of training with Rampage than Rampage gets out of training with Bisping. He needs NEW gameplans. He needs to train harder for his opponent and not train to be better than his former self. Thats what I think could have been improved. He trains with Wolfslair who has had one fighter with a name (Bisping) and zero champions. He might be in good shape but the whole point is he’s not training technique. It is not too late to evolve but the door is closing.
by Brandon Starr on Sep 25, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
He's been fighting for ages. He's an older guy.
This was his shot. He’s not going to look any better in a rematch even if he trained with Greg Jackson who wrote up the perfect gameplan to defeat Jones based on top secret insider info. Time is a bitch.
If you want beef then bring the ruckus.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 25, 2011 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed...
a different camp is not going to make his legs stand up to kicks better (though it might get him to check them more). Its not going to improve his hand speed. Its not going to make him have better reach.
Honestly, what could have Rampage done differently?
"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"
by UMBC Oriole fan on Sep 25, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
"Jon Jones becomes the first defending UFC light heavyweight champion since Rampage defended against Dan Henderson."
Incorrect. Machida defended the belt against Shogun.
And if you don’t count that as a legitimate defense, Then Shogun won and Defended the belt against Machida in the 2nd fight.
Either way, you’re information is incorrect.
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