BBC News and Sky News Irresponsibly Report 'Cage Fighting' Story
In the last 24 hours news outlets of the BBC and Sky - two of the most watched televised news sources in the United Kingdom - attempted to smear Mixed Martial Arts with a 'Cage Fighting' story about an 8 and 9 year old boy competing in a match at an event held in a labour club in Preston, Lancashire - the home county that formed Catch As Catch Can Wrestling - in front of an audience of 250 adults.
The trouble is it wasn't even a Mixed Martial Arts bout. The two boys competed in an exhibition Submission Grappling match. No strikes were thrown. No slams were landed. No padding or head gear was needed or necessary, much to the outraged contrary of The British Medical Association and a so called impartial press with the BBC video journalist claiming 'Every blow is broadcast on the Internet'. The only headgear used in grappling matches are the type that prevents cauliflower ears and wearing of them is optional not to mention the jury is still out on whether head gear in striking sports makes any difference to the threat of concussion and other brain trauma related ailments.
How is this exhibition match different to when children who take up Jiu Jitsu, Judo or Amateur Wrestling compete in front of hundreds of adults like we see at BJJ tournaments or American School district meets? Are children being exploited for the sole entertainment of adults? Of course not. It just happened to take part in a 'Cage'.
The BBC spoke to Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt who had the following to say:
The first thing is we do want to encourage young people to do more sport, and we've been talking about that, and I think Boxing for example has a terrificly important role in helping young people; it can help channel aggression - getting more young people to do sport is great. I do ask myself if it really has to be in a cage, it just feels to me ... it feels very barbaric and I know that there are concerns about children that young doing a sport like that. I think if adults choose to do it, that's one thing. But I know you're going to talk to someone later about that and get an expert view, but I suppose I do share some of the shock I expect many of your viewers will feel.
Hunt isn't your average politician. As Secretary of State he's in charge of Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport within the current political landscape. That means his opinion will carry with it weight, no matter how uninformed that opinion is unless it's allowed to be fairly challenged. Hunt believes Boxing plays an important role in helping young people and yet refers to what he saw a barbaric. I would like to point Mr Hunt to the 'Incidence of Injury in Professional Mixed Martial Arts Competitions' study by the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. I'd also like to point out In Submission Grappling intentionally trying to concuss your opponent is not allowed and in Mixed Martial Arts you can potentially finish a fight without a single punch, kick, knee or elbow landing on the head.
Hunt asks if it really has to be contested in a cage, not knowing of the safety element a fenced enclosure provides for its participants. With a sport that includes grappling the 'cage' primarily acts as a reinforced play pen to prevent the participants from falling out and injuring themselves as has been documented several times when MMA fights have taken place in a Boxing ring. Just a quick google image search for 'play pen' used for children produces many pictures of pint sized 'cages' in a variety of shapes, including octagons but nobody bats an eyelash.
The NSPCC - National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children - chimed in calling the match 'disturbing' and warned parents not to allow children to take part in the sport while they were developing. For an organisation as respected as the NSPCC who strive to protect children from cruelty at the hands of adults it is disappointing that they completely missed the mark by letting ignorance cloud their judgment and giving what was likely a knee-jerk response.
Sky News took a typically more sensationalist approach by leading off with this nugget:
Unlike the bare-knuckle boxing of the film Fight Club, cage fighting is legal and a fully regulated combat sport.
The Sky News piece continues to suffer, citing Alex Reid as the UK's most high profile figure and claiming the Children's version of the sport doesn't include striking - presumably this research done by the journalist by spending a whole 2 minutes watching the video clip that was available to him.
Sky News, whose Sky Sports channel had a regular weekly program called 'Cage Fighter' and has aired a season of The Ultimate Fighter as well as UFC events in the past. But then even with the UFC on Fox deal that shouldn't stop Fox News from continuing to spin the yarns they're known for.
Another instance of media sensationalism, another instance of politicians and government bodies not knowing what they're talking about but having a great platform to say something - anything - regardless while those with an actual ability to tell the other side of the story are drowned out or ignored. Unfortunately all this means is other news outlets and needless voices parroting the narrative until the next non-story comes along they can waste our time with.
I think I might go back to bed.
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As is true with many areas of politics
The less someone knows, the stronger and more unwavering their opinion.
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by crizzy on Sep 22, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Wow
And what do you know about the development of the human body, and what the joints of 9 year-olds should be subjected to?
by benhamil on Sep 22, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I wrestled for years, starting well before I was 9 years old.
The joints of a 9 year old can handle grappling just fine. whatever happens in the cage is either equal to or not much worse than the damage normal playing can cause.
by smcsoud8908 on Sep 22, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
You're a test case of one
Little guys aren’t built to be kimura’d and kneebar’d
Nobody is built to be kimura’d or kneebar’d. That’s why they’re, y’know, submissions.
by Pyrgz Krum on Sep 22, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Forget about their age.
There is no reason for beginners to be using those particular submissions in a tournament environment. They should be reserved for more advanced practitioners. Every grappling tournament I have ever been to bans them for the lower belt classes. They are usually only allowed in the brown/black belt divisions.
by Steve4192 on Sep 22, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Also, the fact that this particular competition was set up to allow multiple submissions was just plain irresponsible. Letting a kid get heel-hooked once is bad enough. Letting him get heel-hooked three or four times is borderline retarded.
by Steve4192 on Sep 22, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Dude!
I laughed out loud! Pure pwnage. Well played.
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Yeah, well played
If and when he has kids, I expect he’ll encourage them to fight like this. We’ll see how funny he thinks it is if they get seriously hurt. Kids this age should not be applying submissions.
Quick, wrap all the kids in bubble wrap.
And what do we know about collisions on a pee-wee football feild or, god forbid a baseball hitting a 9 year old in the body. Oh the horror. Grappling matches are no worse than any other sport that 9 year olds play.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
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by DayGeaux on Sep 22, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
Recitty fucking Rec Rec!
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by SentientAndroid on Sep 22, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No lie, I got beaned in the face when I was batting in my second year of Mustang (no idea what age that is). I got hit, bent slightly forward while using the bat I was still holding as a cane and told the home plate up repeatedly “I’m fine, I’m fine”. All the while blood was pouring from my face onto the plate. The pain hadn’t hit yet.
I ended up going back into the game after getting my face bandaged up because we couldn’t afford to have a girl get playing time. I never cried, which my younger self bragged about often, while the pitcher on the mound started crying. I faced the pitcher later in the season and got walked on four pitches. Moral of the story: kids get hurt during sports, its nothing they can’t handle. Kids aren’t going around having to retire from sports due to injury.
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by Brian Hemminger on Sep 23, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Try having a line drive knock out a fucking tooth. That sucked ass. Tripped goin to field it caught musket stood up to catch it and it hit me in the jaw and knocked out a molar. I was 7 or 8 the kid that hit the ball was 11when cause the league went by grade not age…. good news was I got moved to the front of the rotation and hit a triple.
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by Bobillarious on Sep 22, 2011 2:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Even if it wasn't MMA
Little kids shouldn’t be torking on each other’s knees like that. This was incredibly stupid.
by benhamil on Sep 22, 2011 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
This is just ridiculous!
I’m glad these so-called journalists have enough integrity to investigate and get all the facts in order before they air something!
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Shocking new footage of BABY CAGEFIGHTING OMG!!

by Dick Chaser on Sep 22, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 9 recs
hell, that’s barbaric!
by Carlos Estrada-Ibars Martínez on Sep 22, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
pfff amateurs
they havent even made it into the octagon
by tyldenK on Sep 22, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This was a fantastic fight!
I think this was one of Urijah Faber’s best performa- oh wait….who the hell is that?
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by nannerb on Sep 22, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The story (not my story) is being discussed on Talk Sport Radio right now
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OK, I might be on in about 20 minutes
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If anyone wants to listen
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I should be on next
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Well done sir.
Nice plug for be as well.
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by lanky6 on Sep 22, 2011 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks
First radio interview for anything, so I was bricking it a bit.
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How did you get on?
I’m at work, but I sometimes listen to Talksport (despite it being a radio equivalent of The Sun to me).
Is it Durham & Gough? They should give you a fair crack.
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The British press is terrible with sensationalism.
No offense KJ and other Brits out there, but my jaw is constantly dropping at the sensationalism that I read in the UK press. It really is detrimental to having an informed citizenry. And the American press is following suit now. It really is terrible.
Awful reporting
to be fair the written article isnt too bad http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15018247 but what a god awful interview ask “is this the kind of environment blah blah” to the mum the dad and the kid and then end interview, brilliant, award winning stuff.
my main issue other than that is the deliberate choice of words: “landing each blow” and “he’ll be fighting again”, when all they’re doing is grappling. The BBC doesnt even report on major UFC events so in that respect i’m surprised at how balanced the piece is.
P.s: Sabate- really? The UK are showing the US how to be sensationalist now? wow :)
while the western world bitches about a couple of 8 yr old British kids wrestling inside an octagon, let’s see what even younger kids in Thailand do, hoping to eventually escape from poverty.
by Gisele Federico Navarro Mendez on Sep 22, 2011 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
THIS IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY
so thank you for saying it for me.
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by the jewish conquistador on Sep 22, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
you know what pisses me off? the fact that they refer to MMA like “people beating each other in a cage”…like they’re choosing the words to cause more shock, “CAGE”, “cockfighting”…my response is usually something along the lines of: whatever dude, if you don’t love this sport you wouldn’t understand what these athletes are doing, so whatever.
by Gisele Federico Navarro Mendez on Sep 22, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I love that one of the related videos is a 12-year-old kid fighting a little person.
Watching that video made my morning.
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:O Dude that vid is just crazy!
That little boy in blue is tough as hell!
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by SentientAndroid on Sep 22, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF
So in other words, if you can find a worse example anywhere else in the world, you should allow it to slide? What kind of logic is that?
“Well, in Colombia when FARC kills people, it’s really gruesome. But we do it fast and clean, so it’s OK for us.”
I just read a story about this on one of Sweden’s biggest newspapers website.. headline was roughly “Children in cagefight causes public outcry”. Much to my surprise, it wasn’t a cage fight at all, just a submission grappling match.
I don’t personally see anything wrong with kids doing stuff like BJJ, wrestling, submission wrestling, etc. But to be honest it seems a little unnecessary to have two young kids do submission grappling in a cage at a regular MMA event in a bar, just because of the general imagery and potential for confusion. Maybe they could have that at regular grappling competitions instead. But obviously this story has gotten out of hand quickly, lots of sources that either don’t understand the difference, or have chosen to ignore it to make sensationalist headlines. Their asking for headprotection is just ridiculous, I don’t see anyone claiming that regular wrestling or judo should have it as well. Ah, stupidity.
by Horselover Fat on Sep 22, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions
The story is an oversensationalized piece of crap, but .....
The promoter of this event is a fookin’ moron.
1. Holding it in a cage, in a bar full of drunken idiots
2. Having ring girls prancing around driving aforementioned drunks into a frenzy
3. Giving the kids ‘fighter nicknames’ like ‘bonecrusher’
4. Allowing 8 year-old kids to apply techniques like knee-bars and heel-hooks.
5. Setting up rules whereby a kid can get subbed multiple times in the same match
I have no problem with kids grappling, but the guy that set this up is a clueless nincompoop who was just asking for a controversy
by Steve4192 on Sep 22, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 15 recs
Yeah - all of this
I’m as happy to jump all over media coverage of MMA as the next BElitst, but the morons behind this exhibition really made it easy.
At the youth level, martial arts and combat sport should have a heavy heavy focus on respect, discipline and sportsmanship, none of which is on display here.
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by Dave Strummer on Sep 22, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with this 100%. You can blame the sensationalistic media all you want, but this only became a story because an irresponsible promoter gave the right wing sharks in the media plenty of red meat to have a feeding frenzy on. If the promoter truly loved the sport like he said he does, then he wouldn’t allow children to grapple in a cage as part of a freak show side attraction as a prelude to the real MMA fights and broadcast it on the Internet for the world to see. That was just asking for trouble and a torrent of bad publicity. Have them grapple on mats in private or in a public amateur wrestling exhibition, not in a cage on a MMA show.
by Keith Harris on Sep 22, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
completely agree
had this been held in a normal gym with mats and the kids in gi’s, no one would have even taken notice. Doesn’t one of the Gracies have a school in London? Would be great if we did an interview to educate the masses over there.
by squaresphere on Sep 22, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you very much.
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by spectaa on Sep 22, 2011 3:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hunt asks if it really has to be contested in a cage, not knowing of the safety element a fenced enclosure provides for its participants
That is BS.
A cage is safer than elevated ring, but it is not safer than the standard grappling mat setup that is the norm for grappling/wrestling competitions. Holding this event in a cage was asinine.
Holding the grappling match
But he didn’t see it as a grappling match, but a cage fight
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The cage brings with it powerful imagery, which may be a positive for the UFC in promoting their fights to their fans, but it’s a negative when expanding into new markets where the mainstream press is used to fights and martial arts bouts being held on a mat or in a ring. We all know that the imagery of the cage is a double-edged sword, so why have such young children grapple in a cage?
by Keith Harris on Sep 22, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that's the biggest thing
Not what they were doing to each other, but that it was in a working men’s club as a filler exhibition between MMA fights.
With investment from the Sports Council into safer envrionments for kids to compete in, whether it be MMA or submission grappling there wouldn’t be a need to for kids to compete wherever they can because there’s no or relatively few other outlets.
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by KJ Gould on Sep 22, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, using this story to show why there needs to be more investment in safe places for children to train and compete in grappling, would be an excellent way to turn a negative into a positive and help people understand that MMA isn’t a blood sport, but a respectable combat discipline.
by Keith Harris on Sep 22, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I tried to say as much on the radio
For the little good it did.
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Don’t worry KJ, Adrian Durham is a complete wazzock. I knew the way the wind was blowing when he refused to use the term mixed martial arts and reveled in calling it ‘cagefighting’.
The usual tabloid bullshit in the UK from people who have zero interest in the sport unless theres a chance for a cheap, lazy story.
It's NOT a CAGE!
It’s a FENCED AREA!
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by some schmuck in texas on Sep 22, 2011 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
These people just don't understand how truly great MMA is for young children.
Self discipline, self confidence, self respect. Respect for others, staying in shape, learning valuable self defense techniques, all while making new friends.
All of those things go hand in hand with MMA when training with with large groups of other kids at a young age. If the end result of this is having (what I assume to be) the top students in your class going against the top students in another class in a submission grappling exhibition, any cons that do arise should not come even close to out-weighing the countless pros.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 22, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
As a citizen of the UK
I aplogise on behalf of BBC, Sky News and NSPCC for being clueless douches.
by TheMysticalNinja on Sep 22, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
This reminds me of the Vancouver politicians
After years of opposition to MMA, there was a serious push to legalize it. But before they voted, city council attended a local amateur match to learn more. One of them commented how impressed he was that it wasn’t bare knuckle, and that they were actually wearing gloves.
Christ, you are in an authoritative position and opposing something you clearly know NOTHING about. You couldn’t take 2 mins to watch a YouTube video and educate yourself the slightest?
Yeah, I linked that hit piece on my FB yesterday
It was on Drudge. Fucking assholes trying to smear this awesome sport yet again.
I've [REDACTED] more [REDACTED] than [REDACTED] [REDACTED].
Honestly, the promoters really screwed the pooch by holding it in a cage. But, I don’t mind the kids grappling at all. I live in a fucking world where mothers can berate their fucking children on TV and make them live their lives through beauty pageants and waste their childhood while still getting nominated for a fucking Emmy?! And some kids grapple, learning a self-defense art, and it gets blown to shit by some idiots who don’t understand the difference between MMA and submission grappling, or even amateur wrestling for that matter? You could’ve written it off as an amateur wrestling match if you were THAT uninformed.
Honestly, it is just sickening to me. We’re going to have “kickboxing” footage of kids at Taekwondo tournaments now and people will bitch about a kid learning weapons tactics. Fuck it. Toddlers and Tiaras almost won an Emmy, yet grappling is dangerous to physical and mental well-being. I don’t want to live in this world.
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by mountaineers101 on Sep 22, 2011 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I hope they didn’t ban heel hooks.
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by casey manrique on Sep 22, 2011 12:58 PM EDT reply actions
In fairness, this is a British newspiece
They don’t even know what grappling is.
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by SSreporters on Sep 22, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Well played.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Sep 22, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i blame bisping on this one
it was his responsibility to educate british people. that was the only reason why ufc fed him with cans
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But Steve made a lot of the same points. Yes, the media reaction is hysterical in every sense of the word, but there’s a reason Grapplers Quest doesn’t do stuff like this.
As an English person
This results from a slow news day. It is because of stories like this that I stopped reading newspapers about 3 years ago. Everything they print (not including papers like the Independant) is biased and sheer lies.
Printed media is selling less and less each year, so they have to continue to make up self-righteous stories to sell to the public.
Hopefully this should blow over like every story does and we can continue to get on with our lives.
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by Obviously5Believers on Sep 22, 2011 7:53 PM EDT reply actions
I was basing my opinion on the paper headlines. I still think what I said extends across other forms of media, whether radio, television or online.
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