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UFC 135 Judo Chop: Rampage Jackson and the Hook Punch

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One of Quinton Jackson's main talking points heading into UFC 135 and the big Rampage vs. Jon Jones Light Heavyweight title main event has been the idea of Jones having an untested chin. Rampage has made his plan for Saturday clear - test that chin. The weapon he's most likely to use on that mission? The hook.

The hook punch is one of the staples of boxing, and for Rampage, it's one of his best strikes. He's used it a number of times, most notably to win the UFC Light Heavyweight title from Chuck Liddell, and to gain a measure of revenge against his longtime rival Wanderlei Silva. In this Judo Chop, we'll break down both the basics of the hook punch, as well as Rampage's specific technique.

We'll start with a look at the punch itself. Here's a nice description of the hook punch, courtesy of Fight Night: The Thinking Fan's Guide to Mixed Martial Arts:

The hook punch, along with the rear cross and read overhand, is one of the core, bread-and-butter punches utilized in MMA. It's a boxing-based bent arm, horizontal, outside-in curved punch directed to the head (jaw) and body (ribs, liver, spleen). It is executed with either hand in the lead and rear positions. It is the most potent knockout punch in MMA or boxing because, when hitting the jaw, it torques the brainstem and rattles the brain. The hook punch can be thrown parallel to the ground or at a variation of angles, depending on the opponent's position.

The key to the hook is that idea of torque. Like the vast majority of punches, a well executed hook draws its power not from the upper body alone, but from the entire body working together, starting at the feet. In a right hook punch, the attacker pivots on the ball of his right foot, turning his foot in the direction of the punch. This pivot leads to a slight turn of the hips, to a turn of the body and shoulder until the entire body is twisting, adding momentum to the punch. This increases the force, and when it lands on target, rattles an opponent's brain hard enough to cause a knockout. 

It's also one of the tougher punches to properly execute, as it involves proper range, footwork, and defense. Rampage uses all of those aspects to deliver an excellent hook from either the right or left side. Let's take a look at the former champion's technique, starting with his right hook KO of Chuck Liddell at UFC 71.

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Here we see Rampage use the right hook to knock out Chuck Liddell and take his UFC Light Heavyweight title. One of the things that really impresses me about this particular punch is Rampage's ability to connect with it in less than ideal circumstances. Rampage has just ducked, his feet aren't firmly planted, and Chuck is moving away, but he connects perfectly anyway.

At the start of the exchange, Chuck throws a right-left combo. Rampage brings his arms up to block the two punches, and also lowers his head to avoid the left. Chuck gets sloppy after that left, leaving his hand down for a moment instead of bringing it back up to his head to defend. That doesn't mean Chuck isn't using any defense though - he's using movement to quickly get out of range. Because Liddell is backing up, Rampage has to both take a small step towards him, and extend the arm more than you normally would on a hook. In an ideal hook, you keep the elbow bent at close to a 90 degree angle. Here, Liddell's movement makes that impossible. Rampage finds the range anyway, and you can see the result with Chuck's head twisting to his right. This is the torque I mentioned above, and it's enough to scramble him and put him down.

One thing I like about Rampage's work here is his footwork. Since Chuck is moving away, Jackson doesn't get his feet planted, so does not pivot on his foot. He makes up for that by taking a hop step towards Liddell. As he takes that step, he maintains proper distance between his feet, while also moving in the direction of the punch to increase its effectiveness.

One of the nice things about the hook is that it can generate great strength from either side. Against Chuck, it was the right hook doing the damage, but in the 3rd Wanderlei Silva fight, Rampage's left hook took center stage.

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In contrast to the Liddell hook where Rampage had to make some adjustments, this one is an almost textbook example of proper hook technique. It starts with the defense. Wanderlei throws his own hooks which Jackson blocks perfectly by sliding his arms up and ducking his head - using his forearms to block the incoming shots. This is great defense as it keeps you in position to quickly return fire. 

With Wanderlei coming a bit wild with the hooks, Rampage takes advantage of the opening to land his own. Watch Jackson's left foot as he throws - he shifts onto the ball of the foot, and pivots his foot in the direction of the punch. This pivot moves up his body through the hip and shoulder and adds to the punch. At the same time he is pivoting, he takes a small step with his right foot to step through the punch and again add more power.

Another good point about Jackson's hook here is the placement of his elbow. With Wanderlei in close, he is able to get that 90 degree bend. He also brings the elbow up so that there is a straight line from his shoulder, through the elbow, and into his fist. When he connects with the punch, that straight line travels right through Wanderlei, earning the KO. Contrast that positioning with Wanderlei's elbows when he throws hooks. He keeps his elbows very low, and so his punches do not have the same power behind them.

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One final point - take a look at how cleanly Rampage lands the punch, which you can see better in the above angle. He hits Wanderlei square on the chin, increasing the rotation of Silva's head and applying more strain to Silva. Rampage also connects with the middle knuckles on his hand, which both increases power and lessens his risk of breaking his hand. That kind of accuracy is a huge factor in the cleanliness of this KO.

The hook is a highly dangerous punch, and few in MMA today throw it with the level of skill of Rampage Jackson. You know it's a punch that will be on the minds of both Rampage and Jon Jones Saturday night. If, during the fight, the two men are exchanging, and you see Rampage bring those arms up to block, then be ready for that chin to indeed be tested. How will Jones do if it connects? We can't know for sure - but if history is any indication, a clean Rampage hook could result in a new champion.

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It's going to be tough to get close enough, though

Jones, I imagine, will do one of two things – push kick to keep Rampage too far away to connect with the hook, or initiate a clinch to bring him too close to throw a hook. No way he stays at a distance where Rampage can actually land that hook with significant force.

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by duck on Sep 21, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that spinning elbow is an opening. If that can be telegraphed and timed right I think Rampage could duck under and catch him. Time for a Judo Chop on Jones’ spinning elbow.

by memitim on Sep 21, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rampage's only KO chance if you ask me

Is an uppercut in the clinch.

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by SSreporters on Sep 21, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know. Jones can be so unorthodox and wild, he leaves some holes open in his striking attacks. An uppercut in the clinch does seem like his best shot, it all depends on how patient Jones is. Jones will likely win this but an early first or second round KO for Rampage wouldn’t shock me.

by memitim on Sep 21, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

An uppercut in the clinch, or storming out at the opening bell and going berserker on the body are probably his 2 best chances.

With Jones’ quickness and defensive head movement, hooks to the body would probably prove more effective than hooks to the head…

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by The American Ronin on Sep 22, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

You assume Jones' chin is terrible

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by SSreporters on Sep 21, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you want Rampage to win, it's to be expected he hopes Rampage connects with one

People with non-terrible chins have been flattened with one of Rampage’s hooks. And we don’t know about Jones’ chin. We may never know, and we may not find out in this fight, but it’s certainly a choice for path to victory for Rampage, if one even exists.

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by duck on Sep 21, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jones has been hit. Multiple times.

Bader clocked him, Gusmao caught him several times (not that he’s a KO artist). Bonnar was catching him when Jones gassed in the 3rd.

Rampage isn’t the guy to answer that question unless Bones fights like an imbecile. He had 3 rounds to land something on Rashad and instead was wall-and-stalled almost the entire fight before Evans did his trademark “Get caught late” dance.

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by SSreporters on Sep 21, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

And when was the last time Rampage KO’d someone?

by Pantherhare on Sep 21, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, for all of his heavy-handed reputation,

in the last 7+ years he has managed to KO/TKO’d an accumulated way too much career damage Chuck & Wandi, and a 37-year old Marvin Eastman via those heavy hands (also Hirotaka Yokoi via stomps and Arona via headbutt+slam).

He also faced and was unable to KO/TKO other notably glass-jawed guys such as Jardine (3 KO/TKO losses before fighting Rampage and 2 more after) and Forrest (KO/TKO’d 2x before fighting Rampage and 3x since)

Not trying to discount his overall accomplishments – his record speaks for itself – but just pointing out the obvious – that rep not withstanding, he just is not some sort of KO-specialist…

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by The American Ronin on Sep 22, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

people are also forgetting

that up kick was pretty gnarly from Vera

by silent.bisonte33 on Sep 21, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t assume anything, Rampage hits hard enough to at least hurt most human beings pretty bad when he connects.

by Gisele Federico Navarro Mendez on Sep 21, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could say the same for Shogun

and Bader. Rampage wasn’t able to KO guys like Jardine and Forrest, who are not known for having granite chins.

by Pantherhare on Sep 21, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn’t connect the way he connected Wandy, and thus my comment:

hope he gets Jones with one of those

by Gisele Federico Navarro Mendez on Sep 22, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can have the greatest chin of all time, ever

And get knocked out

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by warren305 on Sep 21, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just ask Anderson Silva

right?

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by Chris Groves on Sep 21, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Ali

Or Liddell, or any of the infinite number of fighters who “had an iron chin” until they get knocked out.

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by warren305 on Sep 21, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ali got knocked out?

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by SSreporters on Sep 21, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're so wrong here

The Holmes fight was a referee stoppage and a clear sign his body was breaking down, but he was never dropped in that fight at all.

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by SSreporters on Sep 21, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ali was dropped by Sonny Banks and Henry Cooper

Long before he was even a champion. Cooper hurt him badly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgPiyMpeEQY

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by warren305 on Sep 21, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except Anderson has never been KO'd

and likely will never be…his chin seems to show no sign of fading at all.

Long before Chuck was exclusively losing by KO, there were still fights where there where moments where he got hit hard and visibly reacted, even if it was a sort of momentary buzzing.

I legitimately think that the moment in the Sonnen fight in the first round was Anderson knocked off balance…he almost seemed to make that point himself by standing and letting Sonnen land several more.

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by Chris Groves on Sep 21, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even Anderson

Dude, no one is incapable of being knocked out, unless they’re somehow inhuman. I dont care who you are, if Rampage Jackson hits anyone like he hit Wandy, they go out.

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by warren305 on Sep 21, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

As an Obama and Jones fan....

I remember being on the other end of this with Mir-Lesnar I. I am/was a huge Lesnar fanboy, and I remember the consensus was Lesnar had no chance. And my argument that he was bigger, stronger and would be able to impose his wrestling didn’t carry much weight with the Mir crowd.

I won’t begrudge the Rampage fans thinking their guy can win and devising ways it could happen. What I do have a problem with is the hatred for Jones for reasons that, to me, seem as shallow as the actions and words they criticize Jones for. Rampage, for some, is merely the last vessel of hope for them, just like Bader was. Rampage fans know their guy can win. The Jones haters just want someone beat him, and Rampage is their latest option.

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by duck on Sep 21, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

How could people think Lesnar had no chance? He dominated Mir up until the submission and Lesnar was green as hell in that fight. I wasnt on BE at the time (if it existed) but I was pretty confident Lesnar would win that one.

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by crizzy on Sep 21, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Consensus = Before Mir/Lesnar I happened

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by SSreporters on Sep 21, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I actually give Machida a better chance at beating Jones than Page, but yeah, if Rampage is in a fight I’m rooting for the guy.

by Gisele Federico Navarro Mendez on Sep 21, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Jones fans have no hope? Man, that sucks…

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 21, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a Jones fan too, but I don’t want Rampage to get ‘Shoguned’, if he’s gonna lose, at least make it a relatively competitive fight

by Gisele Federico Navarro Mendez on Sep 21, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

That guy won

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by warren305 on Sep 21, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Prediction

I predict that Rampage will win this fight with a submission in the first round. Omoplata or gogplata.

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by Michael Shulski on Sep 21, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was crushed at the time,

but it was a picture perfect shot, right out of his defensive posture and as clean a KO as there is.

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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 21, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wish he wouldn’t have followed it up though with that brutal assault while the ref was draped all over him.

by Tats16 on Sep 21, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's like saying you wish he had a clean driving record

It’s all part of the package you get with Rampage.

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by duck on Sep 21, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Jon Jones is an asshole

For being confident.

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by Chris Groves on Sep 21, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently

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by duck on Sep 21, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, I love me some Wand so that sucked,

but Rampage isn’t a cheap shot artist, so I gave him a pass on that one.

What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?

by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 21, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

He should have been fined or something, that was ridiculous

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by warren305 on Sep 21, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

FUCK

How could I forget that!!

and this one is good too:

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by KMcCaig on Sep 21, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

I’ve always enjoyed the way Wanderlei fell after getting head kicked by Cro Cop…he just sort of crumples.

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by Chris Groves on Sep 21, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty similar to how Mirko fell to Gonzaga's head kick.

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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 21, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed

Wands was just a tad slower, like a gradual king of slide…it almost always feels like its in slow motion to me.

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by Chris Groves on Sep 21, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, Stout has a beard.

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by Rundownloser on Sep 21, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think there's a winner,

but Rashad’s on Chuck was better than Rampage’s. Neither of these compare to the death kick to Mirko’s head. I literally thought he died.

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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 21, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

god damnit

How could I forget one of the greatest upsets ever!
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by KMcCaig on Sep 21, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

ack

the way his leg bends underneath him is grotesque

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by KMcCaig on Sep 21, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I offer you my condolences for looking like Napao.

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by Ben Thapa on Sep 22, 2011 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s one of my favourite KO clips. Igor hits like a truck and a half.

There’s also the terrifying Aleks vs. Morais KO, which has a very similar “flurry of punches on a guy who is for all intents and purposes knocked out on his feet” style. Definitely worth watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHW_fkXITXc

by Pyrgz Krum on Sep 22, 2011 5:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

The analysis of Rampage's defence just before he threw it was really good

I’m not sure I would have noticed on my own how Rampage keeps his face covered until the instant he throws that hook – He literally has his right hand still up in defensive position as he starts the punch.

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by duck on Sep 21, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone watch the countdown show

And see Rampage’s training camp? It’s like Rocky vs. Ivan Drago. Bones is in a basic looking gym as Rampage is in a gigantic MusclePharm facility with fantastic equipment.

None of this is going to matter. Rampage will not handle Bones’ reach and will not land the hook punch with conviction once.

….This still doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy the Wandy KO over and over again.

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by SSreporters on Sep 21, 2011 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Bones was FILMED in a basic looking gym

As to whether that’s where he trains every day, do we really know?

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by duck on Sep 21, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah he like to put on the facade that he trains at this basic gym. well, I don’t buy it. I think when the cameras aren’t around he trains at the Olympic training center. He’s such a phony.

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by DayGeaux on Sep 21, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hope West Virginia hammers LSU

And your ridiculous system where your QBs are sub-CFL level don’t get you yet another national championship.

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by SSreporters on Sep 21, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the CFL

It’s certainly entertaining.

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by SSreporters on Sep 21, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

I watch it all the time, but I can’t sit through a full NFL game unless its the superbowl. Just preference I guess.

Too bad my team is brutal right now though.

by Tats16 on Sep 21, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well you can hope in one hand and shit in the other, then you can tell me which one fills up first. Gah, sometimes you West Coast guys just don’t understand football. The sub-level Qb’s don’t win us shit. Our God-awesome defense does.

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by DayGeaux on Sep 21, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your defense bails out our ridiculously stupid offense

Can Les Miles master the art of timeouts yet?

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by SSreporters on Sep 21, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gah, LSU dominates the Huskies and now you hate um. It pisses off a lot of people that this guy can win a championships huh.

He even made ole Urban quit football.

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by DayGeaux on Sep 21, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

LSU 31 Washington 23

That was the last meeting.

And that’s off a winless season.

You didn’t dominate shit. You dominated Oregon….which I have no problem with.

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by SSreporters on Sep 21, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you remember the part where 10 of those points came with less than 5 min left on the clock. LSU had to rest thier players for the real teams.

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by DayGeaux on Sep 21, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was 24-16 with 2:08 left in the 4th

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by SSreporters on Sep 21, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was 24-13 with 5:23 seconds left.

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by DayGeaux on Sep 21, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watching that game hurt my spirit

It was like we wanted to lose.

That said, see you in Autzen. I’m betting our streak goes to 8 this year.

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by Avap on Sep 21, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Urban shat on Les

I’ll admit to being slightly biased against the man due to the shit I had to listen to every time I turned on the radio after Carr left U of M (“We need a new Carr with Les Miles!” over and over and over again will drive a man to murder), but Florida was pretty clearly the dominant team of the SEC for most of the past decade.

by Hummus5989 on Sep 21, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Florida was pretty clearly the dominant team of the SEC for most of the past decade.

It’s close, but I’d give it to Florida. I was reffering to the pissed off Urban after the “bounce pass” extra point try that beat UF last year.
“So Urban, what do you think about Les Miles and his luck in the forth…”
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by DayGeaux on Sep 21, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I just still haven’t forgiven the man for all the awful people who made the same exact shitty pun on his and Lloyd Carr’s names when Michigan was looking for a new coach.

by Hummus5989 on Sep 21, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a Big Ten man, myself, and the West Coast lack of football knowledge is probably the only thing likely to keep us competitive with the Pac-12 for any length of time. I can handle the SEC being consistently better, but the Pac-12 better not fucking do that, too.

by Hummus5989 on Sep 21, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the Big Ten minus De Ohio St.

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by DayGeaux on Sep 21, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same.

Big Ten is awful for basketball but love it for football.

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by SSreporters on Sep 21, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hate it for basketball

Because we actually play D, or because the refs decide to call every single thing a Big Ten team does against a non-Big Ten team every time, giving a bull shit dirty play reputation?
And, DayGeaux, nobody likes Ohio State. They’re kind of like a midwestern version of the Yankees.

by Hummus5989 on Sep 21, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always thought they were the mid-western version of Arkansas.

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VEGAS IS GIVING AWAY MONEY AGAIN THIS WEEK. If you don't take LSU at -6 over WV then you're a big dummy. -3 last week and now -6? I glad they have SEC haters in vegas.

by DayGeaux on Sep 21, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the state itself maybe

I’d say Indiana is more of our Arkansas, in that it’s poor, consistently votes Republican and has a ton of racists in the south. Plus it has the city of Gary, which is probably the only thing even remotely in competition with Arkansas for the prestigious “Asshole of The United States” award (seriously, the city has a noticeable stench 5 miles in either direction). Ohio is more, I don’t know… Boring, industrialized and full of awful cities like Cleveland. I think it’d be closer to compare it to maybe Alabama.

by Hummus5989 on Sep 21, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Alabama didn’t have beaches, then no one would even know it existed.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
VEGAS IS GIVING AWAY MONEY AGAIN THIS WEEK. If you don't take LSU at -6 over WV then you're a big dummy. -3 last week and now -6? I glad they have SEC haters in vegas.

by DayGeaux on Sep 21, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alabama has beaches?

I thought it only had like 20 miles of coast.

by Hummus5989 on Sep 21, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

and of those 20 miles they have beaches… and a lot of head shops

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
VEGAS IS GIVING AWAY MONEY AGAIN THIS WEEK. If you don't take LSU at -6 over WV then you're a big dummy. -3 last week and now -6? I glad they have SEC haters in vegas.

by DayGeaux on Sep 21, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey shush, we are arguing. There’s no time for agreeing on something.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
VEGAS IS GIVING AWAY MONEY AGAIN THIS WEEK. If you don't take LSU at -6 over WV then you're a big dummy. -3 last week and now -6? I glad they have SEC haters in vegas.

by DayGeaux on Sep 21, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a Ducks fan

I can attest to this. Barner and DAT did more for you than they did for us.

So long as you root for one team in the SEC and not the whole damn conference, I have no qualms with it.

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by Avap on Sep 21, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t even have faith there, my friend. WVU is skating by subpar opponents this year and taking years off my life by watching their games. LSU will trounce us, but fuck SEC football in general, especially LSU.

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by mountaineers101 on Sep 21, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t believe we trailed Norfolk State for one half of a game. And usually we thrash Maryland. We have zero running game, a good quarterback, and the vaunted questionable defense as always.

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by mountaineers101 on Sep 21, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I know

You keep getting all the Maryland kids that can’t get into UMd.

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by duck on Sep 21, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t worry. Edsall is a good coach, better than aim for mediocre Friedgen anyway. You’ll be better than us soon enough.

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by mountaineers101 on Sep 21, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha well atleast you’re a realist, but why do you hate LSU?

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
VEGAS IS GIVING AWAY MONEY AGAIN THIS WEEK. If you don't take LSU at -6 over WV then you're a big dummy. -3 last week and now -6? I glad they have SEC haters in vegas.

by DayGeaux on Sep 21, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just really, REALLY hate SEC football. The whole dumb tradition about “smashmouth southern football” really bores me to tears. I guess defensive football isn’t my thing. Don’t take it personal, I hate LSU as much as I hate Florida, Auburn, Ole Miss, or Vanderbilt. Fuck the whole conference.

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by mountaineers101 on Sep 21, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can understand that. I don’t hate WV, but I do think a 6 point spread is borderline insulting. I watched both of the WV games and I can’t see why the spread is 6 points. Morgantown I guess? One question. Why burn a perfectly good couch?

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
VEGAS IS GIVING AWAY MONEY AGAIN THIS WEEK. If you don't take LSU at -6 over WV then you're a big dummy. -3 last week and now -6? I glad they have SEC haters in vegas.

by DayGeaux on Sep 21, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you think the spread offense is insulting, trying being disappointed by a 3-3-5 defense almost every year. Hell, we might even beat LSU by some fluke, get up to #2 in the nation, then blow it against USF or Pittsburgh.

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by mountaineers101 on Sep 21, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, no. Point Spread not Spread offense. And the 3-3-5 gave LSU fits last year, but the struggled on offense all year.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
VEGAS IS GIVING AWAY MONEY AGAIN THIS WEEK. If you don't take LSU at -6 over WV then you're a big dummy. -3 last week and now -6? I glad they have SEC haters in vegas.

by DayGeaux on Sep 21, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, yeah, no way in hell we should be favored.

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by mountaineers101 on Sep 21, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re not favored. LSU is, but only by 6.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
VEGAS IS GIVING AWAY MONEY AGAIN THIS WEEK. If you don't take LSU at -6 over WV then you're a big dummy. -3 last week and now -6? I glad they have SEC haters in vegas.

by DayGeaux on Sep 21, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree. Should be more.

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by mountaineers101 on Sep 21, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate that the SEC has an entire conference

That produces good QBs once a decade.

90s it was P. Manning and the 2000s it looks to be Stafford. And that’s it.

I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.

by SSreporters on Sep 21, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but we produce 50% of the rest of the NFL.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
VEGAS IS GIVING AWAY MONEY AGAIN THIS WEEK. If you don't take LSU at -6 over WV then you're a big dummy. -3 last week and now -6? I glad they have SEC haters in vegas.

by DayGeaux on Sep 21, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Newton

If your not ready to fight shut your $@&%ING mouth! - BJ Penn

by warren305 on Sep 21, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, “Death to the BCS” soured my view on college football in general.

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by mountaineers101 on Sep 21, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You like the BCS?

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
VEGAS IS GIVING AWAY MONEY AGAIN THIS WEEK. If you don't take LSU at -6 over WV then you're a big dummy. -3 last week and now -6? I glad they have SEC haters in vegas.

by DayGeaux on Sep 21, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I mean the book made me realize exactly how money-grubbing the sport really is and made me frown upon the sport until the system is actually gone.

Signed, Pick'em Champs 2011-2012: Michael Jordanesque in our picking skills.

by mountaineers101 on Sep 21, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got cha. I’m going to have to check that book out.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
VEGAS IS GIVING AWAY MONEY AGAIN THIS WEEK. If you don't take LSU at -6 over WV then you're a big dummy. -3 last week and now -6? I glad they have SEC haters in vegas.

by DayGeaux on Sep 21, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope in one hand and shit in the other

LSU is gonna stompfuck WVU.

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by IKiIIed007 on Sep 21, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you for adding stompfuck to my vocabulary. It will be used many times by me.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
VEGAS IS GIVING AWAY MONEY AGAIN THIS WEEK. If you don't take LSU at -6 over WV then you're a big dummy. -3 last week and now -6? I glad they have SEC haters in vegas.

by DayGeaux on Sep 22, 2011 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot where you live — are you in BR or NO? You know I’m from Harahan, right?

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by IKiIIed007 on Sep 22, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m in BR. Do you still live in out there?

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
VEGAS IS GIVING AWAY MONEY AGAIN THIS WEEK. If you don't take LSU at -6 over WV then you're a big dummy. -3 last week and now -6? I glad they have SEC haters in vegas.

by DayGeaux on Sep 22, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in Sicily still

We were supposed to head back for a visit in August, but they changed the law here this year and our 3-year-old needs her own passport which is taking longer than anticipated. I miss Nawlins.

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by IKiIIed007 on Sep 22, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I thought you were in Sicily. I wouldn’t mind visting Sicily and seeing where my Great Grandfather lived. And Nawlins is easy to miss, it’s one of my favorite places.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
VEGAS IS GIVING AWAY MONEY AGAIN THIS WEEK. If you don't take LSU at -6 over WV then you're a big dummy. -3 last week and now -6? I glad they have SEC haters in vegas.

by DayGeaux on Sep 22, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you know his city of origin?

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by IKiIIed007 on Sep 22, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not off the top of my head. I’d have to ask my mom. I heard something interesting the otehr day. Someone told me that the Sicilians went through the Gulf to get to America and the other Italians went to the east coast. I don’t know how true that is, but most of the Italians in Louisiana that I talked to were Sicilian.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
VEGAS IS GIVING AWAY MONEY AGAIN THIS WEEK. If you don't take LSU at -6 over WV then you're a big dummy. -3 last week and now -6? I glad they have SEC haters in vegas.

by DayGeaux on Sep 22, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guy said they went to Louisiana to work in the sugar cane fields after the civil war.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
VEGAS IS GIVING AWAY MONEY AGAIN THIS WEEK. If you don't take LSU at -6 over WV then you're a big dummy. -3 last week and now -6? I glad they have SEC haters in vegas.

by DayGeaux on Sep 22, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, you'll be able to appreciate this...

So as you know, the muffuletta was invented by a Sicilian dude in New Orleans, right? Well surprisingly, there is no sandwich over here even remotely similar. So this is the best I can do: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.587218257945.2114146.20406041&l=a8d91bd26f&type=1

Comandare é meglio che fottere.

by IKiIIed007 on Sep 23, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s bad ass

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
VEGAS IS GIVING AWAY MONEY AGAIN THIS WEEK. If you don't take LSU at -6 over WV then you're a big dummy. -3 last week and now -6? I glad they have SEC haters in vegas.

by DayGeaux on Sep 23, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, are you on FB?

Comandare é meglio che fottere.

by IKiIIed007 on Sep 24, 2011 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Drago as well,

or that Quinton is preparing for his role as Black Hulk!!! Make it happen!

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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 21, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is executed with either hand in the lead and rear positions.

Call me old school, but there is not really such a thing as a “hook” with your rear hand.

I mean, you can “hook” off your power hand but it’s stupid and crazy easy to counter. It’s the slight modification that makes it an overhand right which most people confuse as a right hook (for orthodox fighters, vice versa for southpaws).

That’s why you’ll never hear a boxing trainer praising an orthodox fighter’s right hook or a southpaw’s left hook. Meanwhile you’ll hear plenty about an orthodox fighter’s lead (left) hook and vice versa for a southpaw. I.e. Manny Pacquiao (southpaw) has a great right hook.

Unfortunately, commentators are getting really stupid with this now too and it’s becoming like watching an NFL game where they call end arounds a “reverse” and a reverse a “double reverse”

But any reputable boxing trainer is going to tell you “there’s no such thing as a right hook” if you’re orthodox.

Nitpicky? Sure!

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 21, 2011 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Rear hook.. I prefer wide cross. Potato..

by chillnnsht on Sep 21, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree totally

As demonstrated by the Page/Lidell KO – by the time Chuck has moved to Rampage’s right, Page’s stance is basically southpaw at the point, therefore making the hook with his lead hand.

by vicesquad26 on Sep 21, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

reply fail *agree with BB’s comments

by vicesquad26 on Sep 21, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

These two KOs...

Very significant – Rampage has the greatest LHW’s souls in each hand.

by Worth on Sep 21, 2011 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

True, but Liddell’s fighting style played perfectly into Rampage’s. That fight was not surprising in the slightest. he beat Liddell just as badly before when they fought. Liddell was wide open for that right hook in both fights. Jackson was a bit one dimensional with it IMO but it worked against Liddell.

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by crizzy on Sep 21, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wanderlei still owns Rampages Soul

He stole it twice, but Page got one back.

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by Well Read Idiot on Sep 21, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, but he stole Chuck’s twice, along with giving Dana a costly loss in the process so he has a little of DFW’s soul as well, he’s all good.

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by memitim on Sep 21, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s where David Foster Wallace’s joy went? Damn, didn’t know he was a fight fan.

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by Ben Thapa on Sep 22, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

Nice point! Rampage has some of DFW’s soul :-)

Must be why Dana helped him out so much after his psychotic episode. He was compelled.

Right leg swelling, Left leg minor bruising

by Well Read Idiot on Sep 22, 2011 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rampage is going to look like a little kid fighting the bully for his lunch money back.

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by mountaineers101 on Sep 21, 2011 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Rampage is a beast, idk about anyone at any weight class ragdolling him

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by warren305 on Sep 21, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fact check

“It is the most potent knockout punch in MMA or boxing because, when hitting the jaw, it torques the brainstem and rattles the brain.”

Whoever wrote the so-called “Thinking Fan’s Guide to MMA” sure has some stones trying to pass off shit like this as fact. First, medical researchers still aren’t sure what exactly causes knockouts. Second, the most promising research suggests it’s damage to axons and not torquing the brainstem that causes knockouts. The reason damage to the axons is rapidly becoming a favored theory is that it would explain why repeated knockouts generally make it easier for one to be knocked out in the future.

Is the “Thinking Fan’s Guide to MMA” just a couple hundred pages of shit announcers say to sound knowledgeable?

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by Tomas Rios on Sep 21, 2011 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Also

The fuck is a rear hook? That’s not a punch. It’s what happens when someone forgets what hand they’re supposed to hook with.

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by Tomas Rios on Sep 21, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW

did you really just say you can only throw a hook with the lead hand? You have no idea what you’re talking about, how do you have the audacity to call out someone else?

by Pooki on Sep 21, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

That’s not what I said at all. I was rather glibly communicating my stance that with the rear hook, the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. In terms of body mechanics, it’s a difficult punch to throw “correctly” and, even when done so, requires one use the old-school head off center boxing stance to make it even remotely safe to throw. A poorly executed rear hook is the one punch that will get your head countered off in a heartbeat by any remotely competent boxer.

As for the head off center stance, precious few use that stance anymore as most favor using the lead shoulder or lead hand to deflect punches or the modern “squared up” stance that some boxers are popularizing and has been part and parcel of Muay Thai for ages. The classic head off center boxing stance is quite hard to learn to the point that it becomes second nature which is why you don’t see it used much anymore.

I know someone’s going to bring up the fact that Muay Thai bouts regularly feature the rear hook and to that I say, sure … it doesn’t change the fact that a good boxer will jam a fist in your face if you get cute with rear hooks. The only viable usage of a rear hook against a good boxer is to the body from inside the telephone booth. Anywhere else is asking for trouble.

So, sure you can throw a hook with your rear hand. Just like you can throw a lunging jab from your hip. Doesn’t mean you should.

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by Tomas Rios on Sep 21, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

man, you were faster than me, but i got the gif.
Idk what’s the orthodox way to call this punch, but for my understanding it should be a overhand left, for the way the punch goes above his head.

by Carlos Estrada-Ibars Martínez on Sep 21, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hook, Jab, Uppercut, Cross, Ho, Ha Ha, Guard, Turn, Parry, Dodge, Spin, Thrust...

Rampage doesn’t belong in the same cage with Bones.

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by IKiIIed007 on Sep 21, 2011 8:06 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm just retarded

at least until after each Jones fight when I turned out just to be lucky.

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by IKiIIed007 on Sep 21, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best part about Jones

is that after every one of his fights a good percentage of people are going to have to eat a ton of crow. Not many guys bring that as much as he does

by MemphisMike on Sep 21, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who has the better/more powerful hook in mma

Rampage or Daley?

Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!

by SentientAndroid on Sep 22, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

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