Jon Jones and Rampage are both black
by ProfessorBLove on Sep 20, 2011 5:53 PM EDT
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One of the debates the black community has always had (and probably will continue to have for years to come) is the debate over how much of your blackness you have to give up to be accepted by mainstream America. Jon “Bones” Jones and Quentin “Rampage” Jackson represent both sides of that argument. To a lot of MMA fans, “Rampage” and Rashad Evans claims of Jones being a “fake”, “snobby”, or a phony just seem like ordinary trash talk. But amongst brothers, those insults cut much deeper. They arent just ordinary insults on your character or fighting ability, they’re insulting to your blackness. Calling Jones a “snob” suggests that he thinks he’s too good for the “rest of us”. It suggests that he wants to forget everything about his roots. Its basically calling him an Uncle Tom, and judging from an interview Jones did for Black Voices, the most defining and important examples of racism in his life came from other black people.
”Considering that wrestling and MMA are not considered sports that African Americans dominate, did you have to deal with racism while coming up?”
“Absolutely. The first issues of racism came from my own people. In high school, when I came to the lunch table all the black kids would say things like “Why are you wearing all that spandex? You go to wrestling practice grabbing another dude and sweating. You’re gay.” All I could do is swallow my pride and know that regardless of what they said, that was my niche. I had to be comfortable in my own skin to realize that it was okay to dare to be different.”
(African Americans have a long and storied history in wrestling, this question is, in my opinion irresponsible and shows the person doing the interview didnt do his/her research, but I’ll leave that for another blog entry)
The first part of Jones response wasnt about being the only black person in entire towns during wrestling tournaments or that feeling you get when you know people are staring at you judgmentally, it was about the black kids in his class that called him “gay” for wearing spandex and participating in a white mans sport. When you’re part of a community that only makes up about 12% of the population, feeling ostracized hurts, a lot. I cant be 100% sure, but I’d be willing to bet that the people calling Jones “gay” acted a lot more like Rampage than Jones. I think thats why Jones seems so flustered and annoyed in interviews lately. Rampage is a bully and those of you who have been bullied in school know, that feeling of helplessness never really goes away. 15 years later and I still get nervous when I come across someone that bullied me in middle school.
In most interviews before this fight Jones has been very clear and articulate, but lately he’s been stumbling over his words and sounding unsure of himself. He’s sounded more like a 10th grader defending himself against the cooler kids than a confident champion.
I dont think Jones personality is the only thing behind peoples sudden hatred of him, some of it is jealousy. Jones is a phenom, he makes even the most experienced veterans look like rookies, he appears to run through his opponents without effort. People hate that. Especially people like Rampage who’ve had to claw their way up to the top of their professions.
Rampage on the other hand is the cool kid in class that everyone loved and feared. Sometimes we laugh at his jokes because we’re scared he may kill us if we dont. He’s funny, talented and dangerous. Never passes up an opportunity to make people laugh. But he’s out of his fucking mind. He’s also paranoid, goofy and because of where he came from and how he grew up he’s had to work harder than most to achieve everything he has he probably feels like Jones is taking all the fame and credit he’s worked so hard for.
Having 2 black people fight for a major belt in MMA is a big deal. I know Jones and Rampage claim they arent thinking about it, but how can they not? Race matters, its always there. Ignoring it doesnt make it go away. Im not a huge fan of Jones, but I am happy that for the first time in MMA we arent shown in such a singular way. Im glad they’re different.
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Black MMA fighters I root for:
- Anderson Silva
- Rashad Evans
- Anthony Johnson
- Melvin Guillard
- Phil Davis
- Kimbo Slice
- Daniel Cormier
Black MMA fighters I’m not crazy about:
- Cheick Kongo
- Allistair Overeem
- Rampage Jackson
Black MMA fighters I’m starting to really dislike:
- Jon Jones
Why don’t I like Jones? Cleary it’s a race thing.
by Django Z on Sep 21, 2011 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
If it wasn't obvious:
I can make this exact same list for Asian, White or Latino fighters and it will break down about the same.
I appreciate the OP’s take on what Jones has experienced. But that does not explain or have much to do with why many of us are growing to dislike him more and more each day.
by Django Z on Sep 21, 2011 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well,
Jones does say some dumb shit every so often, and he seemed extremely guilty when confronted about the camp spy thing, but at least for me, that’s a very minimal concern when it comes to how much I like a fighter.
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 21, 2011 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
No no, I
dont think Jones personality is the only thing behind peoples sudden hatred of him, some of it is jealousy.
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Anderson Silva isn't black
He’s Brazilian. He just has dark skin.
And I really think you’re missing the point of this post.
And Cheick Kongo isn't black either, he's French
duh.
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by soxrule!35 on Sep 21, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
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by RolloTomasi on Sep 21, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice piece
As someone who is ignorant of most things wrestling, I hope you follow through on your piece about African Americans and wrestling.
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What do you mean by African-American?
Growing up I had a good friend that was an African-American. He was born in Africa and immigrated to the US with his family at a very young age…he was white. Saying someone is African-American just because they have more melanin in their skin(but with no immediate ties to Africa) always sounded a little strange to me.
by Meathole on Sep 20, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Totally with you and I’ve had this discussion many times before. My roommate is a black Haitian-American. Another one of my friends is a white South African.
Contrary to popular belief, black does not mean African American, and African American does not mean automatically mean black.
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A Haitian from Haiti is still an African-American (one could say African-Caribbean), and a white South African is a European-African (or Dutch-African or whatever).
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You usually hear them referred to as ‘Afro-Caribbean’.
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Thank you
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its not “popular belief.” its just a short-hand term any american with common sense would understand in an american context. yes, i’ve met “african americans” who are white but obviously this article isn’t talking about them nor are they an prominent part of american culture and history. no one is talking about them here, nor should they.
by Elron Hubburd on Sep 21, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I almost don’t hate Jones now.
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by bcpjkell on Sep 20, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
good shit again dude
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Nice post.
Jones seems to take everything anyone says to him, bottle it up, and unleash it in the cage. Look who’s laughing now. But that sucks that he had to deal with that growing up. What if he gave in to peer pressure and quit? Its a shame. Like you said, the stuff Rampage and Rashad say might be bringing back those memories. Hopefully he doesn’t let them get to his head.
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Like you mentioned . . .
I expect him to use it as motivation while training for this fight. While a lot of people are bothered by it, I think Jones’ self confidence is pretty unshakable and one of his greatest assets.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
I think Jones just needs to take some acting lessons or some courses in public relations so that he does not come off so unnatural.
It’s not at the crazy levels of Ali-Frazier shit talking yet, but if Rampage wins this fight I can see it getting ugly. Frazier was always looking like he didnt know what to say and Ali would dance circles around him with words, Jones gave off that Frazier-esque response where he didnt seem to know what to say.
Rampage is kind of like Ali where he will just keep saying shit to piss you off and doesn’t care what you think about it, because to him “it’s a joke.” But to Jones, you can tell he takes it seriously and to him it’s not a joke. I was almost hoping on Kimmel for Howard Cosell to come out of his grave in zombie form to tell Rampage this tale.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
I feel like Jones is just kind of an awkward dude.
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It's still has got to be annoying to have Rampage call you 'lame' an dhave no immeadiately ready made comeback.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 20, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
which you wouldn’t think would be a problem when the dude calling you “lame” went on a two day Red Bull binge and hit a pregnant chick with his monster truck after a bad loss.
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Nice Post.
This actually is starting to answer the question I had in my post. Unfortunately I didnt see this until after I posted because I spent the last 2 hours finding quotes in comment section around different MMA blogs. This could have saved me a little time.
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by El Pablo Diablo on Sep 20, 2011 7:31 PM EDT reply actions
You've summed up everything that's been in my head.
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An intriguing angle that I would never have thought of.
Being on the outside looking in, and so forth.
On the topic of black sexual identity and sportswear, though:
I’m old enough to remember the seventies, though, when black basketball stars wore shorts that would be UNTHINKABLY short and tight today. And to the best of my knowledge, nobody questioned their masculinity for it.
Times change.
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by some schmuck in texas on Sep 20, 2011 7:45 PM EDT reply actions
to wit
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by some schmuck in texas on Sep 20, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
actually, since I'm from texas...
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by some schmuck in texas on Sep 20, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The finger roll
but I like the Doc pic better…
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Agreed; this is a good post.
And thought-provoking.
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Kind of interesting that both of these fighters
Have been accused by other black fighters of pandering to white audiences.
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by ProfessorBLove on Sep 20, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Give it a shot.
I enjoyed this post.
However, some of us Jones-haters, are no big fans of Rampage either. He is obviously a dim bulb and a bully, which is a dangerous combination.
One of the reasons I became a big Rashad fan is I love the way he called out Rampage on his narcissistic, bullying ways on TUF. Although at times it was almost too easy.
It’s interesting that they do it in the complete opposite ways. Rampage acts like a stereotype of a black dude and Bones acts like a stereotype of a white dude. But I don’t know if any of that is for the cameras, I assume it is for Rampage and probably isn’t for Jones.
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By the same guy.
Hmm…
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 21, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Considering that wrestling and MMA are not considered sports that African Americans dominate, did you have to deal with racism while coming up?"
African Americans have a long and storied history in wrestling, this question is, in my opinion irresponsible and shows the person doing the interview didnt do his/her research, but I’ll leave that for another blog entry
Without reading the article I think the author got the question right. Wrestling, in my opinion, is not really dominated by African Americans, as much as, say, basketball. It’s not that there aren’t great black wrestlers or MMA fighters, it’s just that they are not overwhelming dominant.
Plenty of great black wrestlers at the olympic level.
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Yeah
At they’re definitely well-represented at the top of the heap.
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Yeah, no doubt. I’m not saying there isn’t or that a black wrestler couldn’t be dominant. I just think that on a whole the talent is spread more evenly than, say, the NBA or NHL where there is a definite majority of dominant players of one race. I think that is what the interviewer meant when he/she said it is not considered a sport dominated by African Americans.
The question was worded badly...
But from my experience in an urban high school with plenty of black folks, if one of them had joined the wrestling team they’d have definitely been treated similar to Bones, so his answer is accurate, at least in some environments. But, then again, my high school is famous for Jesse Jackson coming and starting a huge racial dispute after a fight at a football game…. so it wasn’t a typical school.
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by Zachary Kater on Sep 21, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only one that disagree here?
I understand the cultural context, but this piece is clearly aimed at U.S people.
I understand the character comparisons between Jones and Rampage and think they are generally spot on, but to tell me that “Race matters, its always there. Ignoring it doesnt make it go away.” is to, first) force a concept of race on me that I don’t have, and second) to force a cultural context on me that while I do understand it, I do not share.
Other than that it was well written. Kudos to you.
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Well, as a brazilian I can see your point
But this is a piece about two USA athletes, fighting for an USA organization, written on an USA website.
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by Henrique on Sep 20, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Even then
Many Americans will not support that “race matters” philosophy. It’s not a universal truth accepted by all Americans in any way, although I’d reckon most do.
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by Urijah Bieber on Sep 20, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 19 recs
Meh
I was stating that it’s not an issue with all Americans, which is true. But I’d agree that it is an issue.
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I think it's more of a cultural issue than a racial issue.
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 20, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
excellent comparison
here’s a link that I hope you find as depressingly hilarious as I do.
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by some schmuck in texas on Sep 20, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
holy crap
That text book has to be from like the 30’s…… right? You know you’re in trouble when you try to explain science with biblical verses.
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by Sean in Vancouver on Sep 21, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm a Christian.
But that’s friggin dumb. There’s scientific explanations for tons of things. Some people take things way too far. I promise we aren’t all dumb.
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religion explains things that science hasnt gotten around to explaining yet.
go back in time in 50 year intervals and look at religion compared to scientific understanding. its pretty interesting.
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by El Pablo Diablo on Sep 21, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I cant even read that shit about the moon, it makes me want to punch babies.
i think it actually made me more stupid for having read it. I went to college with a girl who didnt believe in evolution. she thought dinosaurs were fake like dragons and unicorns, and museums were like fun houses for entertainment. talk about ignorance.
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by El Pablo Diablo on Sep 21, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Your college must have been very prestigious.
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by Zachary Kater on Sep 21, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I went to architecture school.
luckily, she was not an arch major. She lived across the hall from me freshman year. I have no idea what she focused on but it sure wasnt reality.
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by El Pablo Diablo on Sep 22, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I never understood that.
How do you make it to a real college and “not believe” in evolution and think dinosaurs weren’t real? Did she approach biology and biological history like political science or philosophy? Like its just something open to interpretation?
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You are wrong. I'm from Mexico, what should my race be then? Mexican?
There is no Mexican race. There never has been and there never will be. What we have is a bunch of different cultures all mixed together and a bunch of people looking one way and another bunch of people looking another way and they may or may not have their own culture, but to go around passing a blanket judgment and say that “race” is just like gravity or evolution is misguided at best, especially considering the comparison stems from a misunderstanding about how we even come to define those things.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 20, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
race is a cultural construct
but that doesn’t mean it isn’t real. It’s as real as anything that exists in the minds of many, especially considering the importance attached to it.
FWIW, I’ve met quite a few light skinned mexicans of almost pure european/spanish descent who have a real problem with being identified with the darker, more mestizo majority. So yeah, race totally exists in mexico, at least in my experience. Not to say that all mexicans identify the same way, racially…
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by some schmuck in texas on Sep 20, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yes. Race is a cultural construct, but in acknowledging that we can overcome the need of using it as a strawman and merely focus on what is really important: cultural matters.
And yes, the light skinned Mexicans you speak of? those are real, but the dynamics are different, but yes, there is a parallel to racism there but in a different context.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 20, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Mexico is the result of humans developing formerly impossible means of travel causing formerly unheard of amounts of race mixing between very different races
What will eventually happen is Mestizos will become a race unto themselves, which they kind of already are. It is a gradient. Race is real. Culture is real. Culture is often an ethnic construct as much as ethnicity is a cultural construct. The modern age is very new.
I wholly deny scientific theories that state race doesn’t exist. That is feel good happy time bullshit. Race is very real.
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 20, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Race is a strawman. What we should be arguing about is culture for its own sake, not whether or not you happen to look certain way therefore you are shackled to belong to a specific ultural place wholy defined by your background.
if I go to Iceland, change my name, have family there, and completely cut all ties to my home culture and have kids, they will most likely be a variant of Icelandic and not Mexicans—at all. They will look like me, kind of, but so what? It doesn’t change the fact that they don’t have a Mexican culture to tie them to the overall larger Mexican culture.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 20, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
A “strawman” is when you take someone’s argument and misrepresent it as a weaker point in your own terms, then present an argument against your own version.
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But it is a misrepresentation of the cultural argument by replacing it with the similar ‘race’ term that is not equivalent with the ‘culture’ term. I’m not saying it is done on purpose perse, but that it is a way, as a cociety, to not directly discuss the matters at hand without divorcing oneself from from a preconceived context.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 20, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
No offense but I think you’re using that word wrong.
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And I think it is you who insists on using the wrong word. Either way, I think we won’t come to an agreement here. Nice discussion though.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
But you tried to explain how your usage worked with my definition? I assumed you realized I was right. Is it still possible for me to convince you? I am absolutely willing.
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Look...
I believe that using the term ‘race’ to describe cultural norms is outdated. When you wrote this: “If you’re "Mexican" your race is Mesitzo. If you’re a Mesitzo in American you will most certainly have more in common (culture, religion, cuisine, values, politics, philosophy) with other Mesitzos than you will with the blacks and the whites. Whether or not a geneticist would find differences under a microscope if of absolutely no consequence in this regard.” I pretty much intellectually dialed out of the discussion b/c you are, to me i might add, too far gone and too well set on your way.
You are actually talking about a Mestizo ‘race’ that has a Mestizo ‘culture’ and you use those terms interchangeably with one another but fail to comprehend that you are making a misrepresentation of our cultural background. I was thinking on explaining to you how ‘Mexican’ is not even necessarily a homogeneous cultural term, in fact, but I figured we would have a hard time as I’d come across as condescending towards you when I would be telling you “No, you don’t get it,” and shit would quickly turn annoying.
It’s safe to say that what we can agree on is that we do not define race the same way and we can leave it at that.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ultimately I’m only talking about race in America. If I ever spent time in Mexican society I know I would have completely different views on race in Mexico, and it may even radically change my views on Mestizos in America. But that hasn’t happened.
I am certainly not using “race” and “culture” interchangeably. As an example, Jews are a clearly different culture and in many countries it wouldn’t be right to call them “white people.”. But when I discuss race as a social construct in America, a Jew is a white person.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 21, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
W00t?
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
that was in reference to Bolshevik's screen name
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 21, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh. Ok.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
And the quotes around Bolshevik were to highlight the absurdity of a self identifying (I assume) Marxist arguing about the importance and validity of race.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 21, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
The Bolsheviks, originally also Bolshevists were a faction of the Marxist Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (RSDLP) which split apart from the Menshevik …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolshevik
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 21, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Keep your history out of my MMA!
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm taking a more global approach to this thing.
You say you do not use them interchangeably but have no real issue mixing the terms together, in the end creating a muddled context.
I have an understanding of the issue of ‘race’ in the states for no other reason than that I am forced to do so, given the world we live in; but I am also thankful b/c my cultural horizons have been broadened by it, but also understand that the way you use the term does not make much sense or have much value to someone of my cultural background.
Mexican society is a mixed bag of a variety of differing and yet still compatible cultures. It is more similar to yours than you may think, but we do not think along the same lines that you do even if ethnically you and I particularly are very similar (males of European descent). Hell, we do not even acknowledge it in our census.
Our bigotry is very much alive and happy, very much the same way as yours, but it isn’t racism perse. Hopefully thi smakes sense to you.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that racial classifications on a global level are totally baseless and I should have made that clear initially.
I think racial classifications in America, which are based on nothing scientific and solely the opinions of the American people, play an important role in how someone will perceive themselves, and how they’ll be perceived by society.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
Well, yeah. I have to agree with you there.
But you should in the end also agree that in this world tending towards the growing globalization of both cultures and ideas your definition is just dated. No less important, comestically speaking, but dated in the world’s stage at large.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
No, globalization has done absolutely nothing to my views because I’ve always felt race had no value as a classification system at the global level. In America race is still widely imbued in public perception of others. It will be as important as ever until the American people stop thinking in those terms.
Until then sociologists will continue to find that race is a determinant in the life of the average American.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
Obviously
The solution is to convince millions of people to stop thinking in a particular way instantaneously.
:p - orcus
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But how do you acknowledge for black jews, or arab jews, then? B/c those are, you know, real folk.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Judaism is a religion, an ethnicity and a sociocultural construct all at once
It blurs the boundaries between these concepts and this is how it has survived so long.
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 21, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Bravo. But see how race isn't enough to describe it?
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
My entire point was that “Jewish” isn’t a race based on the American social construct. Jewish people seem to be considered part of the white majority.
Would I say the same thing about Russia? Absolutely not.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
Jewish people seem to be considered part of the white majority.
40 years ago they weren’t.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
That’s why I say race in America is solely based on perceptions. But those perceptions can shape day to day life in a small way, which makes race a very real thing.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
No more real than Santa Claus
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
exactly
the value of money is based on perception. it seems to affect people some.
by Elron Hubburd on Sep 21, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Its not that race "doesn't exist"
its that it is a social construct that predates genetic theory by a couple of centuries.
There is no scientific basis for race. There used to be three races: white, black, and yellow. After the Europeans “discovered” the “New” World, they added Red to describe the indigenous people they encountered…. Surely you don’t think there is a red race, do you? The Iroquois are as genetically different from the Aztecs as Scandinavians are from Arabs. Brown is supposedly an amalgamation of white, black, and red. WTF is that?
General definitions were made, but as globalization continued, European travelers were confronted with the inadequacy of their definitions of race… They didn’t keep making new ones because it didn’t make sense. Indian people from the subcontinent were as dark as Africans, but every virtually every other feature of the Indians was previously considered white: straight hair, narrow noses, etc. There are islands in the Pacific with similarly dark skinned peoples, with “nappy” blond hair, which Blacks couldn’t have by (the European’s own) definition. What race are they?
I believe the word you are look for is “ethnicity”, and even if its an argument in semantics, this is actually one worth having.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 20, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Indeed, but then you are gonna get people who will tell you "It's the same thing."
Kinda sad if you ask me, but history does move at a snail’s pace.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 20, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude the validity of human race as a genetic concept has absolutely nothing to do with race as a social construct. Your attempt to question the former to deny the importance of latter is senseless.
If you’re “Mexican” your race is Mesitzo. If you’re a Mesitzo in American you will most certainly have more in common (culture, religion, cuisine, values, politics, philosophy) with other Mesitzos than you will with the blacks and the whites. Whether or not a geneticist would find differences under a microscope if of absolutely no consequence in this regard.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
Though if you’re, say, a black Cuban, you’ll have much more in common with the Mesitzos. Some people certainly don’t fall into my social sort of classifications, but that doesn’t mean they’re not useful and valid.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
Sigh. This is why the whole race thing is ignorant. Its too general to be useful.
Erik Morales is mestizo… ok, I guess so.
Vicente Fox is a mestizo? That would be news to both him and his countrymen, lol.
You are conflating race with ethnicity, and to a lesser extent, nationality. They are not the same thing, no matter how you try to rationalize it.
religion, cuisine, values, politics, philosophy
are all aspects of culture. Of course, it would be absurd to say that most “black” people share the same religion, cuisine, values, politics, philosophy… etc. All of that varies, sometimes tremendously, from region to region in Africa, let alone in the African diaspora. Do most white people share the same religion, cuisine, values, etc etc? Race is too vague to be useful, if you actually take the time to think about it.
Its like calling Lou Dobbs a racist. Xenophobe? Sure. Racist? Not really. Both are a form of bigotry though, and bigot (imo) is actually the word that would best describe him. Lots of people are quick to be labeled racists, when they are in fact bigots. Distinction without a difference? I don’t know. With how common it is for people to spew hate and stereotypes but claim they’re not racist… I think the words used to frame the arguments are important.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 21, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Exactly.
It’s still a rather new proposition but hopefully one that will catch ground as society develops.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
“Erik Morales is mestizo… ok, I guess so.”
In America he’d be considered “a Mexican” and a part of the “Mexican race.” That is my entire point.
“Of course, it would be absurd to say that most "black" people share the same religion, cuisine, values, politics, philosophy… etc. All of that varies, sometimes tremendously, from region to region in Africa, let alone in the African diaspora.”
When I talk about race as a social construct I am obviously talking about race in one society.
People online like to miss the point (and the argument) on purpose because it’s so much easier that way. Just talk about Lou Dobbs and repeat yourself instead of refuting any of my points.
Lou Dobbs, man!
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
Dude, calm down.
The argument on the other side is a broader, mor egeneral one, not constrained to the United States.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Mexican race?
Really? Is there a Canadian race?
You are conflating race with nationality, and sometimes with ethinicity and culture. All are different things.
Oh, and if you saw Vicente Fox on the street in a business suit, and he never opened his mouth, you’d think he was white.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 21, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
You are missing the point completely and it’s hilarious. Is there a “Mexican race” to me? No, I’d say Latino. Is there a “Mexican race” to many, many uneducated Americans? Absolutely.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
Legit question: what do you mean by “latino”?
by king of the dogs on Sep 21, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone that the average American classifies as “Latino” (or “Mexican” if they’re dumb) upon meeting them.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
So, it’s a confusion between ethnicity and language (for obvious reasons).
by king of the dogs on Sep 21, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Your backpedaling is hilarious. I quoted you directly, and you respond that what you said isn’t what you meant, buts its what ignorant people think.
Seriously, why are you framing your argument in what you think are ignorant terms?
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 21, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I said: In America he’d be considered "a Mexican" and a part of the "Mexican race."
I clearly never said that I’d think he was part of the “Mexican race.” I’m not even an American. I was referring to public perceptions and made that clear. Stop grasping at straws.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
Seriously, why are you framing your argument in what you think are ignorant terms?
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 21, 2011 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Because then
He doesn’t have to take ownership of what he says.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Are you having difficulty following this discussion? Be honest.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
Wow
English really is your second language.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
No, English is my first language, and then French. What about you dude?
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
You say ignorant things
then say that its what other people think.
Therefore, you are distancing yourself from the ignorance you spew. Which is smart.
Understand now?
Try to keep up.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
you are distancing yourself from the ignorance you spew. Which is
smartdisingenuous.
Bolshevik, I’ll ask again.
Seriously, why are you framing your argument in what you think are ignorant terms?
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 21, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I stated: In America he’d be considered “a Mexican” and a part of the “Mexican race.”
I obviously never implied I personally believe him to be a member of any "Mexican race." I’m actually from Canada. It’s impossible to deny that I meant others think that.
(Let’s try again!)
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
a member of the infamous Canadian race, eh?
On a completely serious note, your avatar is the fucking tits. Which ninja turtle is BJ supposed to be?
I’m guessing he’s a Michelangelo when he’s chillin and a Raphael when he’s licking people’s blood off of his gloves.
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 21, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s Raphael. I have actually heard someone seriously argue “BJ should be Mike, not Raph” but I wholeheartedly disagree.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
BJ is fucking crazy, so Raph it is.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
If you are not American
How on Earth can you even participate in this argument?
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
Sounds like he is bigoted towards Americans…
The North remembers...
Would you like Freys with that?
by iiowyn on Sep 21, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you ever heard the fucker open his mouth you'd quickly understand that idiocy is universal no mater what color you are.
No matter what place you hail from, you probably have one of him too.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, and actually
Some people certainly don’t fall into my social sort of classifications, but that doesn’t mean they’re not useful and valid.
That’s actually exactly what it means lol. Your system of classification isn’t valid, is short sighted, and often is used to justify ignorant stereotypes.
Check Miriam’s definition of valid…
Valid
1- having legal efficacy or force; especially : executed with the proper legal authority and formalities “a valid contract”
2A- well-grounded or justifiable : being at once relevant and meaningful “a valid theory”
2B- logically correct “a valid argument” “valid inference”
3- appropriate to the end in view : effective “every craft has its own valid methods”
4- of a taxon : conforming to accepted principles of sound biological classification
The fact that your classifications can’t be used to classify a humongous amount of the human population means its invalid by nature. Something can’t be based in psuedo science and valid at the same time.
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-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 21, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
So your basis for saying I misused the word is that you disagree with me? Everybody already knows you disagree with me. I said “valid” because I agree with me. Come on man.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
If something is true
how can it be valid?
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Isn’t true
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
“You’re wrong because I disagree with you” is a pretty poor argument.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
Not if you're factually incorrect
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Actually it’s an especially poor argument if I’m factually incorrect. If that were the case, you could explain how I was wrong instead of just reiterating that you disagree.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
He did
Jesus.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Its more like
You’re wrong because you don’t know the definitions of the words you are using to argue.
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-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 21, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Sir, this is such babble.
There is no scientific basis for race. There used to be three races: white, black, and yellow. After the Europeans "discovered" the "New" World, they added Red to describe the indigenous people they encountered…. Surely you don’t think there is a red race, do you? The Iroquois are as genetically different from the Aztecs as Scandinavians are from Arabs. Brown is supposedly an amalgamation of white, black, and red. WTF is that?
It almost isn’t even worth arguing with people who believe this new fangled feel good fucktardery. This is like arguing with a creationist talkin’ they aint no damn transitional fossils.
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 21, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually that’s history. And the fact that you don’t have a legitimate response is pretty telling. Don’t get mad at me for pointing out the stupidity in your long held beliefs.
Racisim is real, there is no denying that. There are plenty of stupid people to go around with hate in their hearts for people that don’t look like them. But race is a relic from the time of colonialism and was considered science when it came out. Much like phrenology.
Which is why I made the point that the idea of race is retarded, and isn’t actually based on biology.
Again, the word you are actually looking for is ethnicity… it actually means what you think race means.
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-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 21, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
You drink from a well of modern, contentious and heavily disputed, feel good science which just isn't true and throw some arbitrary semantics
A socially crippled society taking what should be a fringe belief making it into supposedly established science. Race is very real. There are a lot of silly things in what you said. “red” is that a new race?" No, native Americans are in the mongoloid racial category. The level of cultural and ethnic admixture the human race has undergone since the beginning of the industrial era is in no way enough to erode the genetic differences formerly isolated populations have. Race is very real. In fact, I agree with some black writers who argue the main reason the African diaspora encounters so many issues on macro levels is because these people are being forced to live under European systems of justice and government, and traditional African systems would work better with their inborn biology. They point to examples where the social structure is more “African” in nature having less social issues.
It has been a while since I really studied all this with a “give a fuck” attitude though, and really don’t care to rebuke whatever theory you learned last semester. I gave a fuck about this in college, I don’t anymore. It is a waste of my time.
If you want a more realistic opinion, simply dispute the classic colonial definitions of race, and try not to ignore legit science as much. You’re doing the exact same thing in your initial argument as Christians who refute something from something Darwin wrote hundreds of years ago as if it applies to science now. Don’t be that guy.
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 21, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess this is why BE should be a politics free zone.
You drink from a well of modern, contentious and heavily disputed, feel good science which just isn’t true
great argument brah. Still waiting to hear why.
A socially crippled society taking what should be a fringe belief making it into supposedly established science.
Nice sentance fragment. I have no idea what this means, or why you seem to be so mad about it.
Race has no basis in science. It is a social construct. You keep saying race is real in a scientific sense and don’t even attempt to define it.
The level of cultural and ethnic admixture the human race has undergone since the beginning of the industrial era is in no way enough to erode the genetic differences formerly isolated populations have.
Populations isolated by geography and time are called… wait for it… ethnicities. Not all ethnicities fit into the general definitions of race because, wait for it… the definitions of race were made before Europeans encountered these “isolated” populations.
In fact, I agree with some black writers who argue the main reason the African diaspora encounters so many issues on macro levels is because these people are being forced to live under European systems of justice and government, and traditional African systems would work better with their inborn biology.
Right, its the descendants of slaves don’t prosper in the nation that previously enslaved and terrorized their ancestors, not because they are the descendants of a slave caste, but because they can’t live under “European” systems. This is racism cloaked in intellectualism.. the worst kind. And this is the real danger in continuing to use “race” because racist shits like you use it to justify your hatred cloaked in condecension. Congrats on outing yourself.
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 21, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't care to discuss most of this as in the end we would just cite different links to each of our opinions
Anyway, the only bit I’d respond to is the last part. I for one believe in reperations for the decendents of former slaves who live in America. I argue mostly with whites these days who are blind to the fact that culturally African Americans have so many more obsticles to over come because their great great great grandparents were literally property who had their native cultures, religions, languages and social systems raped by colonials. However I also don’t believe that there could not be a biological component to it. I believe in evolution. I don’t see how all human groups could be nurologically identical when there are such obvious morphological differences and could easily see how in various different populations the most ideal social structure could be slightly different. There is a slippery slope here though with this kind of thinking and it can be easily morphed or misconstrued into scientific racism. I certainly understand why academia in the West buries this reality.
Race, like the rest of reality, is an ugly truth and most people are better off with happy faces.
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 21, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
As a socialist I really don’t believe in reparations. Does the reason a kid was born into a poor family really matter? Poor whites (let alone poor Latinos) face more obstacles than middle class blacks. Should a black millionaire receive reparations?
Anyway I think historically everyone who said different races have different brains seemed to follow it by saying that white brains were way better (except Nietzsche I guess). It will be a long time before those ideas aren’t loaded. There’s stuff like Noam Chomsky’s theories that basically says you’ll do better in the language of your ancestors, so I definitely don’t think it’s outlandish to suggest.
This is the last of your old posts I’ll reply to! I just find your views interesting and highly unconventional.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
Race isn't real
As a so-called ‘multiracial’ person, what race am I?
What race would my kids be?
Culture and ethnicity aren’t interdependent.
You actually believe that the modern age is the only time when people of different ‘races’ interbred?
There’s a whole lot of research that you should do before you say stuff like that.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
We're like the evil 'race police' on poor Bolshevik.
If it serves of any consolation, I don’t think he’s being a dick to anyone through this whole thing. Kudos to him.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I was responding to Bieber
But yeah, this conversation isn’t disrespectful. Just uniformed.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Kinda, yes, but he hasn't shat dick nipples on anyone yet, to his credit.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I love your sig
My thing is, people have interbred for thousands of years and there are so many ethnicity that defy the conventional ideas of race.
Like the fact that Somalians are Caucasian.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Yeah, the modern world has turned upside down many cpreviously held clasification terms.
It’s kinda how like many modern jews aren’t even semitic theselves.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
If someone is presenting poor arguments because they’re really competitive, there’s not really a good insult for that. I can’t call them “stupid” in good conscience, because it’s not really stupidity.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
What are you talking about?
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
He's ESL
Not American, and an expert on American “race” relations all at the same time.
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Sep 21, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Unabomberman said that it was to my credit that I didn’t insult anyone. I stated that I didn’t because I couldn’t find the right word for this particular annoying behavior. May I ask what you failed to comprehend?
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
I didn't see the context or relevance
But I understand what you’re saying now that you explained a bit.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
You can click “Up” and it shows the post I was replying to man.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
Yep
And it still wouldn’t have made a lick of sense.
But neither has anything else you’ve said.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
I would say the same thing about you, but you haven’t really expressed a single idea. You’re just repeatedly posting that you disagree with me, but you seem completely incapable of expressing your own viewpoint.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
You read right?
Race isn’t real
As a so-called ‘multiracial’ person, what race am I?
What race would my kids be?
Culture and ethnicity aren’t interdependent.
You actually believe that the modern age is the only time when people of different ‘races’ interbred?
There’s a whole lot of research that you should do before you say stuff like that.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Here's more of my thoughts
My thing is, people have interbred for thousands of years and there are so many ethnicity that defy the conventional ideas of race.
Like the fact that Somalians are Caucasian.
SHould I write it again in French for you?
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
If you want me to have any respect for you, or take your disagreements seriously, you have to explain how and why you disagree with me.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
I did
and I don’t care.
Later/
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
There has always been ethnic mixing. But never to this level.
Geographically it was impossible. We’re entering a brave new world where ethnicity, culture, and heritage are going to be increasingly devalued. A horrible stage of humanity if you ask me. The true beauty of diversity and culture in our species is being replaced by multiculturalist commercialism. As an Anglo-European who finds himself in an Anglo-European country that is doing everything it can to destroy and erode any sense of pride or loyalty to our Anglo-European roots, this used to enrage me. But I too have relented and succumbed to modernism. Now I don’t care.
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 21, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The vast majority of white Americans
have a significant amount of African DNA.
And vice versa.
So the point is that almost everyone in America is multiracial.
As an Anglo-European who finds himself in an Anglo-European country that is doing everything it can to destroy and erode any sense of pride or loyalty to our Anglo-European roots,
This type of thinking is the problem. America has never been an ‘Anglo-European’ country.
This is America. Different types of people have been here since day one. Just because some people didn’t consider them ‘people’ doesn’t mean this is or was a white country.
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Founded, built, created by and for Europeans.
Then we conceeded it. Never in history since the now nonexistent Roman people has a race willingly destroyed themselves and relinquished their own control. It isn’t so bad in America I guess, but the rest of the West is doing it too. In 300 years there won’t even be white people at the current rate. (however I think at some point this century a large portion of ethnic/culturally white/europeans will reject our self imposed destruction, leading to more war, genocide, suffering etc)
We would have to have a long discussion in private for you to understand my beliefs without knee jerk judgements.
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 21, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy fuck
This is so racist and ignorant.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
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by TheFilt on Sep 21, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No. It is none of those. The Europeans founded and built this country. The Europeans brought the slaves, the Europeans destroyed the natives here.
Like I said, you’re having knee jerk reactions to an opinion you really don’t know how to process. It isn’t your fault, it’s our societies. If you would like to discuss this in private so you can better understand my beliefs feel free to email me at ninjawolfmma@gmail.com.
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 21, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course I don't wanna discuss this with you
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by TheFilt on Sep 21, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I find it funny that people are arguing that race doesn’t really exist and is only a societal construct, then accuse Urijah of being racist. Good stuff, lol.
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Race isn't the word they want
I wish they were more clear, and called me an ethnicitist.
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 21, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
bigot fits plenty fine imo
no need to make a new word
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 21, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Name one thing I said that showed a bigotry or bias against any group in favor of any other
You’re an intolerant child.
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 21, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing you said was overtly bigotted till you spit this gem
In fact, I agree with some black writers who argue the main reason the African diaspora encounters so many issues on macro levels is because these people are being forced to live under European systems of justice and government, and traditional African systems would work better with their inborn biology.
European systems of government and justice… that means black people are biologically incompatible with democracy, liberty, and free enterprise right? Or better yet, why don’t you expound on that point and let us know exactly what “Anglo European” institutions African descendants are specifically unable to participate in successfully due to their inborn biology?
This sounds like an updated White Man’s Burden to me. Gotta get the blacks out from under the European systems. Its fair to them, and it will give us our country back. Their biology isn’t built for freedom. We’d all be better off the the “races never mixed”.
That’s just what it sounds like, to me, because I’ve heard people argue these ridiculous points before and this is ultimately where it leads. Of course, if I’m wrong, just expand on your points instead of using bigotry disguised in vagueness.
Of course then there are your opinions about racial purity, the fact that you think there is an impending race war, or the fact that you think that white people have willingly given up their hegemony to other races. But those speak for themselves.
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by The Lethal Haze on Sep 22, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no beliefs on racial purity other that “purity” isn’t even realistic in terms of race. I said in a now deleted post that I simply think that because we are an evolved species, that minute differences in neuromorphology might impact the way various groups develop social systems and culture on some level. In the same way Grey Wolves from one side of the Earth may be slightly different than Grey Wolves from the other socially.
All that “blacks can’t handle freedom liberty justice” stuff is assbabble. This isn’t what we in the West have first and foremost, we merely have a modern Western system that bandys around buzz words like that. I assure you that if Europeans did not transverse the globe and destroy urbody’s culture and replace it with Jesus the world would be a much better place. Your concept of "freedom liberty and justice" is just a Western view anyway. This is why the cultural imperialism of nation building that we’re engaging in currently in the middle east is such madness and so very wrong. Forcing other groups of people to bow to our views on democracy and freedom is no different than forcing them to bow to our king.
In actuality, Europeans are the worst group because Europe and nations in the European Diaspora have been at the center of most of the worst and least synergistic(with nature) activities and actions the human species has ever done. The more “advanced” the race, people or nation, the less ideal they probably are in the long run as the tools we make simply destroy our planet and species at an ever increasing rate.
I don’t think there is an impending “race war” in the way you’re thinking. Rahowa and all that stuff the white nationalists talk about. I just have a cynical/realistic view of humanity and there is a huge risk for people to revert to less civilized behavior in the event of another Great Depression level economic panic. Especially with specific minority communities which due to various factors are largely reliant on social programs. If the safety net of welfare was eliminated tomorrow, what do you think happens in the ghetto? What if welfare for able bodied individuals below retirement age is stopped before elderly social security? That invariably would lead to intense racial tensions between minorities who feel slighted by older whites who would be perceived as receiving aid at the expense of minority communities. The rise in crime that would happen would in turn fuel new waves of anger and stereotypes. They have to segregate jails now down Hispanic and black lines, but you just wait until people’s kids are starving yo. America has to come to an end at some point. The 50 states will not endure forever. I think the most likely end to our nation as we know it comes during a time of great poverty when people of similar appearance and culture begin to band together against other groups. The more desperate people become, the more they revert to cultural or ethnic nationalism. I think that is fundamentally the way we simply are. Call me a cynic or a misanthropist, and I’ll be fine with that.
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 22, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If the people at the top removed the social safety net there is a chance the poor would turn against the rich en masse instead of splitting along racial lines.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
Well, the poor minority communities still see "rich" and "white" as essentially the same
Desperate, under educated people with generations of anger aint suddenly going to have this imaginary realization “race isn’t real”. Pipe dreams buddy.
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 23, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
In the sort of situation you’re describing, I agree lower-class minorities would probably have a lot of irrational anger towards all whites. However these would still be people from a country with a rich history of representative democracy. The roused minority groups would likely rally behind leaders from their own race. What if those leaders were responsible? They may realize the immense benefits (to their own people) of allying with like-minded white leaders. It would only take one MLK Jr.
I don’t have much faith in the average person, but you’ve taken that mindset to an absolute extreme, man. I think people know right from wrong, but they often choose to ignore, deny, or just live with immoral behavior. You seem to think people are fundamentally “bad” to an insane degree. Correct me if I’m wrong.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
Their biology isn’t built for freedom.
Cultural relativism = whatever we think “freedom” means.
We’d all be better off the the "races never mixed".
Call me whatever stupid names you want, but I think the beauty of the human race would better be appreciated if everyone was able to keep their own cultures instead of blending them into a future where no matter what place on the planet you are, you’re ten minutes from a McDonalds. I’d rather my great great great great grandkids learn about different cultures first hand through travel and experiencing them as opposed from a book that talks about the way people used to be.
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 22, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
The term ‘anglo’ refers to England. Or a non-Hispanic white American.
So ‘Anglo-European’ doesn’t really make sense.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Honestly
This post seems like thinly veiled white supremacy to me.
I don’t care to continue this discussion.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
The fact that my opinion on my own race/people's validity is seen as such is what enraged me in the first place
White = not allowed to have a people. It’s horrible. But whatever, we had a good run.
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 21, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The true beauty of diversity and culture in our species is being replaced by multiculturalist commercialism.
This is straight out of the David Duke hand book. As a multiracial person, I take offense. Thankfully its so ignorant that its laughable.
The fact that my opinion on my own race/people’s validity is seen as such is what enraged me in the first place
White = not allowed to have a people. It’s horrible. But whatever, we had a good run.
What a paranoid, angry and ignorant way to look at the world.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Pretty much everyone is multiracial at this point. Does it only count when one of your genetic markers is of someone with more melanocytes?
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
Yeah
That was my point…
So the point is that almost everyone in America is multiracial.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Even if some DNA test says something
The majority of people in America still look and act like part of some race at the same time. Again, why are we pretending things that exist don’t?
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 21, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
None of this matters because the bully is going to get the beatdown. Jones is going to clown Rampage. Evans will have a much better shot of beating Jones and that will still be slim. I think Cormier will have the best chance. I think that fight is coming soon after the Evans fight (should Evans lose).
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
I strongly agree. I think the idea that Jones was really bullied in high school is preposterous, he and his brothers were star athletes in the most important American sport, football. Not to mention the size difference Jones and his brothers have over the average person they went to high school with.
I would’ve been interested to see a paragraph about Jones’ white fiance, and any significance that might have.
by knockout_ned on Sep 20, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
His brothers all say Jones sucked at football. Not to mention, they were preacher’s kids which doesn’t always translate to popularity, nah mean?
And being big doesn’t mean you’re going to be cool.
JDS, Jones, Florian, Frankie
by Crackity Bones on Sep 20, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless you meant that Jones wasn’t likely to be physically bullied, which is probably true. But I don’t doubt at all that he was heckled like crazy.
JDS, Jones, Florian, Frankie
by Crackity Bones on Sep 20, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This +1.
Also, remember Bones was a snitch in highschool. That has to carry some social weight.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I never/will ever understand the your not black enough thing
most likely because im a white middle class white guy. Jones just seems smug or something heck Rampage annoys me more because he sounds a bit like a buffoon and acts rather immature.
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15 years later and I still get nervous when I come across someone that bullied me in middle school.
Dude, let it go….or punch him in the face…either or….but don’t hold on to that stuff.
Learn JiuJitsu.
Jimmy McNulty wannabe.
Or… invite her a drink. jk ;)
by king of the dogs on Sep 21, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The bullied hardly have a chance to truly bury the hatched, really.
They just grow up, but never really do anything else with those internalized feelings from youth that they never got a chance to do anything with afetr they were done with that particular chapter in their life.
Seems fairly normal to me.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
*hatchet*
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by Unabomberman on Sep 21, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
awesome piece.
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 21, 2011 12:52 AM EDT reply actions
Everyone gets shit from their friends at first for wrestlings
regardless of race. kids in high school aren’t comfortable enough with themselves to accept a sport right away that requires that much contact between two dudes. might be slightly more if youre black but i can’t speak for my african american bretheren as a whiter than sliced bread kid from the suburbs.
good analogies, but i dont like jones because hes arrogant and immature. i think rampage is funny at times and idiotic at others, but i sure as hell respect him more as a person and fighter because of what hes had to go through to get to the top of mma as well as the things hes overcome in his own life to get there.
i could care less about race. i would chance a guess that a reason black people might not like jones is because he feels he has to take the “white mans path” and at the same time not integrate the same culture and personality that african americans grow up with. you can be intelligent, successful, and make it in a white mans world without trying to act white. i feel like jones might be trying to go down that road and while its not particularly a big deal to most white people some black people might see it for more than what it is and take it personally
Vey nice paper, ProfessorBLove
I’ll still hate Jon Jones though, I need someone to hate and Brock is gone (or is he ?).
I’m not a big fan of Rampage’s personality (the guetto fabulous show and bullying are extremely annoying) but I can’t really hate him because PRIDENEVERDIE!!! Plus the bastard can be pretty funny.
Well, anybody who knows me knows I'm no fan of dictionaries or reference books. They're elitist. Constantly telling us what is or isn't true. Or what did or didn't happen.
The only problem with race is that a small percentage of people view a person’s race as negative and some people make excuses because of the way a small percentage of people view their race. With this people fall into the negative stereotypes because they are lazy or think its "cool".
Celebrate race and culture positively and understand that everyone is an individual…
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nice write up
What I find interesting is at that top of the LHW division of you have different level of African-American culture Jones, Evans, and Jackson.
Evans always struck me as more Chicago, Jackson is obviously from the south, and Jones is from the NE.
You calling Jones a trixie?
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I don't even know what a "trixie" is...
Ok so wikipedia says it’s basically like a gold digger/bimbo. Uh no, what I meant is that Jones is from the NE in mannerisms.
by squaresphere on Sep 21, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, as long as Jones is hated or liked
and not ignored, all is good for him.
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by dgonz on Sep 21, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh, a SOA character
I’m still working on finishing The Shield before I start that.
And I couldn’t be that guy, the Wire is my fav show evah.
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 21, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec for "The Wire"
The Wire is the most intelligent thing produced … evah.
Kudos, sir. Also, good arguments and dialogue above. Well done.
haha, I knew this thread would feature some great shit.
This is nearly family guy level. Congrats!
"No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
Where has the idea that Jones has not had to work as hard as anyone else come from?
To my mind it is entirely made up. He had to leave higher education to enter the local MMA circuit in order to provide a living for his blossoming family. If anything that sounds harder than a lot of other fighters, considering he was literally fighting to provide for them (and at a very young age. 19 I believe?)
This is further backed up by recounting when he was at college; in interviews he has stated that he would eat Ramen for days on end simply to stretch his budget.
His running through the LHW scene shows simply what hard work and talent can get you: a championship belt.
"More importantly I'm giving them costumes and a back story...And this guy, he grew up in the bayou, living with alligators, wrestling with alligators. l call him the Aviator." - Stan Smith
by Obviously5Believers on Sep 21, 2011 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
I think its just a poor choice of words in saying that Jones didn't pay as many dues as Rampage.
I’m guessing that’s referring to the way Jones has been able to jump in, make a name for himself and get paid relatively quickly. It’s not that he didn’t have his struggles or didn’t work hard, but MMA was fairly established when he got in, he got into a decent camp right away and he made his way to the UFC like four or five months after his first pro fight..
Rampage was stuck in the dregs and fighting for chump change in the US when he started, and wasn’t really noticed for his abilities in Japan until he slammed Arona five years after he started. Mainstream recognition wouldn’t come until three years later when he took the title from Liddell.
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I never said that he hasnt worked as hard or paid his dues, I said he APPEARS to run through his opponents without effort. Anyone who gets to Jones level has to work their asses off.
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by ProfessorBLove on Sep 22, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
My references to racism here werent so much accusations of racism towards Jones or Rampage, but to say that even within the black community race plays a big part of how we deal with eachother. Whether it should or not is a completely different argument.
Race also isnt just skin tone, its cultural. Black people are constantly struggling with our identity and trying to figure out what we are. In the black community its a commonly held belief that there are only 2 ways to be successful, one is the “Uncle Tom” route, which is essentially forgo your blackness, and just be white. Lose the urban vernacular, be nice all the time and ignore racism. The other is “coonin”, which Rampage has been accused of. Its when you become “hyper black”, a sex crazed goofball that lacks education who is there solely for the entertainment of white people. Im not saying these ARE the only 2 ways to be accepted by mainstream America, but its what the majority of black people believe to be true.
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by ProfessorBLove on Sep 21, 2011 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I guess Tyler Perry a mastermind who combined both then.
Yes, as soon as I read something about coonery Perry comes to mind. Also an interesting discussion.
"No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
by killphil on Sep 21, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
"OH LERRRRD!"
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
Great work, as an ethnic studies major I definitely agree
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I have a serious question regarding race
I am mostly caucasian, with both Seneca Iroquois and black ancestors as well. i have never really identified with any of the three races just because all of my white friends and black friends always thought i was something other than them, because of how tan I am year round and how dark I get during the summer but I have no proof of tribal lineage for my native american side and I really don’t look or “act” black, whatever that means. What am I? I have always had a difficult time with identifying myself with any one group.
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Thats all up to you my friend. A lot of race is personal decisions. You could choose to learn about every bit of your heritage, but that doesnt mean people will understand. Sometimes society chooses what we are. Like, if Im in a part of town where black people get pulled over by cops all the time, they arent going to ask me if Im over 50% percent black before they harass lol.
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by ProfessorBLove on Sep 22, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point.
I do always joke around and say “I am America” because I really am. This is what our demographics will be like someday, with more hispanic heritage than me. But my kids will probably be part hispanic, or asian, or something haha
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by Andy Anderson on Sep 22, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I'm pretty late to this party...
but very good piece of writing. This is definitely a good topic for discussion, and it’s been on my mind every time I think about the personality clash between Jones and Page. The two fighters have a lot of dividing lines, both culturally and by the, unfortunately narrow, characterizations often used to define types of black men. From the coolness/cultural perspective, Jones seems something of the teacher’s pet, versus Rampage’s class-clown/bully type personality.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 22, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
I see in my history a bunch of replies to my posts but all of the stuff at the bottom here is gone.
What was the jist of it?
mostly gifs making fun of you
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Sep 22, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
that would have been cool, why delete?
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 22, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Because when I get rid of one thing
everything that follows also goes.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Sep 22, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Very good post
As a black man & a wrestler, I can say that I can understand that perspective. Black people are the most acceptably racist people in the country (generally speaking) towards not only other races but our own. It’s tough to branch out and do something that isn’t the norm without being called boujee or ‘white’.
That being said, I don’t think that’s why anyone dislikes Bones. They dislike him because of how cocky he is and how easily he wins imo. I for one don’t dislike him for these things, but I can understand how some people would.
You guys are so awesome. Even the people I disagree with.
Thank you so much for taking time out of your days to read my stuff and join the conversation. This is so amazing!
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by ProfessorBLove on Sep 24, 2011 12:22 AM EDT reply actions
As a white man of Mediterranean origins,
I just want to say that I have been the number one Jon Jones nuthugger on this site for close to 3 years now. He and I have a great thing going. I make all these insane, outrageous claims about his abilities (e.g. Could Jon Jones Beat Brock Lesnar?), and he keeps making me look like a prescient super-genius. Well here’s my latest:
Jones is going to beat down Rampage so badly that Rashad Evans is going to make an excuse as to why he can’t challenge for the title and instead will drop down to 185 to take a fight. He’ll probably say something like “It’s gonna be 6 more months before Jones is ready to fight again and I can’t wait that long. I’ve only fought once in the last year and 1/2 and I need to get paid….” Mark it down, bitches.
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