UFC 135 Video: Rampage Jackson and Jon Jones on Jimmy Kimmel Live
by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 20, 2011 10:54 AM EDT
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PrintThe UFC 135 press push is in full swing. The main event of the card sees former UFC light heavyweight champion Quinton Jackson take on current champ Jon Jones. Both men made an appearance last night on Jimmy Kimmel Live to hype up the card.
Sitting alongside Dr. Phil, Jackson and Jones exchanged the usual and expected barbs with the UFC championship sitting on Kimmel's desk.
Here's part 1, part two is after the jump:
I couldn't help but get hung up on Jones while watching the video. He continues to strike me as incredibly phony. Now, before someone yells at me about "being a journalist" and how I'm not supposed to have opinions; I'm a blogger, not a journalist and my job is to speak honestly.
Jonathan Snowden has a theory on why many fans are rejecting Jones:
Mixed martial arts has always been different than traditional sports. We're told the fighters are just like us. Regular folk, college graduates, achievers who just happen to work harder and have scary levels of dedication and pain tolerance. Jones is a departure from that. He's so obviously gifted that the standing narrative doesn't fit. Jones' isn't a story of hard work and dedication. It's a tale of physical gifts. He's not just like the rest of us - he's been in the spotlight since he was barely out of his teens. In short, Jones is MMA's first mainstream athlete in the worst sense of the word.
But that isn't it for me. I've been a huge sports fan for my entire life, growing up in the era of Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, LeBron James and a host of others whose athletic gifts seemed so far beyond what we'd seen in their sport as to transform the way the game was played.
I'm also a lifelong boxing fan and spent years worshiping Roy Jones Jr. Like "Bones," Jones ran through the competition until he lost by DQ. Jones was close to stopping Montell Griffin, before Griffin took a knee but the ref's slowness jumping in and Roy's aggressiveness led to him landing two late, illegal blows and being disqualified.
Gifted athletes are something I generally embrace so it's not a matter of that he breaks through expectations with his gifts. With Jones there is just something "off." I can't quite put my finger on exactly what it is yet, but there is just a sense of overwhelming phoniness every time I watch him in a situation like this.
In the cage, from bell to bell, there are few men I'd rather watch work than Jones. In public appearances I'd rather watch just about anyone.
Follow after the jump for part 2 of the video.
SBN coverage of UFC 135: Jones vs. Rampage
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Jon "Phony Bones" Jones
I couldn’t agree more that he comes across a fake and phony. There is something about this kid that i can’t get excited for, no matter how great and talented he is. I believe Rashad when he said this kid goes home and prays to himself at night. I don’t dislike him, i’m just a not a fan.
by mmaprophet on Sep 20, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I dont understand why people are so obssessed with the personality of fighters.
You’re not trying to date him or be friends. You only want to see him craft his art in the most violent of ways. And so far, not too many people do it like him. This is a simple exchange – dana here is 50 bucks, i want to see jones wreck rampage, dana sets up fight, Jones wrecks rampage, here is your money’s worth. An equal exchange. Besides that he doesnt owe anyone jack shit. So phony, jerk, blah blah……why does it matter?
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 20, 2011 11:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Personality is what sells PPV’s. You know what happens when people have no feelings toward fighters? You get shitty buys.
Even if people are paying because they don’t like Jones, they’re being given a reason to pay.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 20, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That's a valid point
But Jones’ personality (or lack thereof) seems to generate plenty of interest, even if it is negative.
More importantly, just like Silva, his body of work inside the cage is so insanely awesome that you can not care at all for him and still want to see him fight.
Exactly.
Personality is what the sport is based off of. People can say, “oh, it’s the fights!”
The fights are only part of it. As people, we naturally root for a certain personality and against a certain personality. It’s different for all of us. Some like the villain. Some hate him. Others only root for nice guys.
I love watching Jones fight. Doesn’t mean I’m going to root for him.
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Why do you think this is?
In other sports, if a team puts up a lot of points, is exciting, and wins = popularity. But you have a fighter like Anderson Silva, who regularly (at least recently) puts guys away with flashy moves and is still a PPV dud. It’d be a shame if Jones goes down the same path. Why is this personality requirement unique to combat sports?
by Pantherhare on Sep 20, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
In other sports, people pick teams based on where they live.
If being a winning, exciting team was the sole qualifier for sports team fanhood, there would be no Detroit Lions fans.
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by alicks on Sep 20, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, in other sports you typically don’t have to spend $50 to watch them on PPV. Free network tv=exposure which is necessary for popularity.
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by keyboardwarrior on Sep 20, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There's the local fans
And then there’s the fans in Los Angeles who were wearing St. Louis Rams jerseys when the Rams were the greatest show on turf. Same thing with the Chicago Bulls during the 90s.
It isn’t, it is just more pronounced in combat sports due to the lack of team mates and locality.
by Empty Thoughts on Sep 20, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Sheltered upbringing.
Jones has had a very sheltered upbringing. He seems like a young kid who hasn’t had a chance to mature socially. He comes off as awkward and phony because he still a little lost.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
"But he sits there like a robot and doesn't say anything at all, just like he's not going to say anything about me calling him a bitch now. If I saw B.J. Penn walking down the street and called him a bitch, we would be fighting right there on the spot." Nick Diaz
by Warhand on Sep 20, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's a bit of a leap, no?
Just because he’s akwerd on camera, doesn’t mean he’s a phony.
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i dont understand why people are obsessed with ohter's opinion
why does it matter to you if i think he is fake. it’s just my opinion that he comes off as phony and therefore i’m not a fan. and it will be Rampage doing the wrecking come saturday night. “phony bones” is going down with those little bird legs.
great post...
Maybe Diaz wasn’t so far off calling it a beauty pageant.
by I_Mad on Sep 20, 2011 11:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it absolutely is...
it’s a sport driven by people’s willingness to pay $50-70. People need to be invested to pay that money and most people are not motivated to simply “watch guys fight” if they were you wouldn’t see the crazy fluctuation between buys on shows featuring guys the public cares about and guys like Frankie Edgar.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 20, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
What did you think of the Sonnen-Silva fight?
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"If your [BJJ] training involves any part of you or training equipment inside any of your partner’s orifices, you’re doing it wrong." - gzl5000
This should be the prime example of why personality is important for fighters.
It was a great fight but it wouldn’t have been as awesome if there wasn’t the emotional investment people put into the fight after Chael’s trash talk.
That's why I point at it.
The story behind Sonnen-Silva is what makes it interesting – the trash-talking loudmouthed politician superhero actually managing to take down and control the most dominant champ in UFC history for five rounds – then failing at the eleventh hour. That’s the stuff movies are made of.
If you strip away all the context – Sonnen’s pre-fight antics – you just get 23 minutes of so-so ground and pound and an triangle choke. Still a great comeback to watch, but nowhere near as effective or emotional.
"So even though it’s the gayest sport ever, MMA is still the best sport ever. I love my gay sport." - Wrestling Uber Alles
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People care because we need a reason to root for (or against) a fighter. This isn’t rock em sock em robots.
by ihateemo on Sep 20, 2011 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sports are soap operas for men
I bet even you like discussing the personalities of athletes and what they said outside of competition or their body language while competing.
What would be really strange is if someone only cared about the statistical act of the sport and nothing else. But we don’t.
Their facial expressions, their haircut, the pitch of their voice, the way they wear their uniform, which coach they pissed off, how badly they were injured but they still came through. Almost everyone loves talk about these things.
“But that doesn’t sound very “manly”! I’m only supposed to grunt, drink beers and cheer for winners!"
Get over it…it’s not unmanly, it’s human.
if...
if you’re only interested in watching fighters ply their trade inside the ring, then what are you doing here reading and commenting about all of the things that fighters do outside of the ring? as far as i know, there were no UFC fights last night, yet here we are.
Obviously you know nothing about sports
Ask Barry Bonds if personality matters for an athlete.
I don’t understand the “fake” or “phony” charge. What character do you think he’s portraying and who do you think he really is? He comes off as a young fighter with a truckload of confidence who, unfortunately, also believes he’s unlocked the secrets of the universe. But he’s relatively inexperienced, prodigiously talented, and — contrary to the opinion of many — has not necessarily had an easy road outside the ring. He expresses an aspiration to be righteous, and I think much of the spite exists because people think he’s actually serious about it. Jones of course hasn’t yet realized that his personal and spiritual aspirations are hypothetical to his professional ones. This may create the tone of awkwardness or inauthenticity that people seem to key on with him. But I’ve never had the sense that this guy doesn’t consciously mean what he says when he’s speaking. So where’s the phoniness? It’s interesting that on a personal level people will usually prefer a misanthropic nihilist with a genuine silly streak to a self-confident (and sometimes self-righteous) achiever who is unafraid to dish out self-help advice to a world that is simply starving for it!
by Charlie Custer on Sep 20, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah - he sounds like an arrogant cock.
You pretty much summed it up.
Hell of a talented fighter and I’ll enjoy rooting against him as long as he acts like this. But if he matures, then I’ll change my opinion of him.
Best thing about all this – I finally get to root for Rampage!!!
I just think he is a young kid who tries to be on some higher level stuff...
bu ultimately, he is just a kid and he has lots to learn. I have met many similar folk.
After watching that interview I believe it more than ever. He isn’t a smooth talker and he is trying to project certain things. It doesn’t always come off right though.
he gives off
“the preacher stealing righteous dollar bills " vibe.
If this was a heist movie , jones would be the character that double crosses everyone after they get the gold.
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 20, 2011 11:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 5 recs
compliments from super spys mean something to me.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
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"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Sep 20, 2011 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You Baptist?
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by LRaunThaDamaja on Sep 20, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
former pentecostal .
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 20, 2011 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
now i am a horrible Buddhist.
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"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Sep 20, 2011 12:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
To follow that train of thought...
Looking forward to Borderlands 2.
On topic, I think that Jones probably doesn’t know who he is yet, and until he does is just piecing together the views other people have of him. Until he figures himself out, he is going to come across as fake.
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Would you like Freys with that?
good shit
although rampage’s trash talking agresivness wasnt there he brought in some counters shots for bones always unorthodox self
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You know, I’m honestly starting to believe this idea that BE/MMA nation staff actually do hate Jones and have an agenda against him. It seems like every time they bring him up, they spin negatively.
I can’t believe Snowden actually has the gull to insinuate Jones doesn’t work hard or that he doesn’t have dedication. That’s low, even for him. What is that even based on? Have opinions all you want, but this is some weak shit.
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
why are you bringing Snowden’s bird into this?
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by keyboardwarrior on Sep 20, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
You can
keep a gull as a pet, but you don’t want to live with a sea bird, ok? Because the noise level alone I mean… Have you ever even heard a gull up close? It’s gonna blast your ear drums out dude.
by TMadeBurner on Sep 20, 2011 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely
Jones is a phony. Being “fake humble” is probably the worst attribute someone can have. I absolutely hate when athletes go back and forth from “Aww Shucks” to Arrogant SOB’s.
At the very least, at least be Matt Hughes cocky. The words appear pleasant, but there is no doubt that he is an arrogant b*stard.
by davebo on Sep 20, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
thing is..
Jones is just too young to deal with the media attention effectively. While he’s trying to be genuine and humble, he just comes off as over-confindent. Thing is, I believe he really is way over-confident and cocky (but c’mon hes what 23, what guy isn’t at that age) and he knows it, so he tries (and fails) to take the "high road" during interviews and media events.
by scratchface on Sep 20, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think I agree with this.
He seems like he’s trying to project the image he thinks he should have instead of what his real personality is. If he was not the champ, I would say maybe he should just not talk for a while and lower his profile, but the UFC obviously does want him to promote and talk so he can’t do that. The thing is, he’d have a great image if he owned a little more of the cockiness and just topped it off with a smile. Not everyone would like him but he’d be more believable. He’s overcompensating with the “nice humble guy” part and it doesn’t ring true. He’s also young and just needs to loosen up and not take his image thing so seriously.
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by KatGirl on Sep 20, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
Fake humility is the worst attribute that someone can have? Worse that someone who beats the hell out of their wife? Worse than a guy who doesn’t show up for pressers when he’s gonna get PPV cuts of over a million dollars? Worse than people that hold on submissions too long and injures someone? Worse than a guy who humps reporters, goes on a rampage with a giant truck, motorboats another reporter, intimidates another reporter?
Seriously? Even if Jon Jones is literally the most arrogant person in the world how the hell is that the worse thing?
I have to agree with you here Brent
There is something off. He just doesn’t seem like he is being real or something. That’s what I love about Rampage. He is always himself and that’s why I think that people like him. I think Rampage has gotten under Jones skin a lot and Jones is trying really hard to look “cool” during these media situations with Rampage.
For me he reminds me a lot of a friend that I have that tries really hard and should just be himself.
I don’t doubt that Bones is an amazing talent and he’s got crazy skills but he is young and will make mistakes.
With all that said I hope that Rampage gives him an ass whooping and that Jones is better for it in the future.
Jones is trying to be cool, he looks like a fool to me...
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 20, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
aka flag o.o
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by KJ Gould on Sep 20, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There should be some way to turn posts red
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 20, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
make it happen Dana
Now I've switched signature to this one.
by the guy with the big nose on Sep 20, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
when jones says "hey dont clap for that" I for one had to shake my head
thanks for the post brent
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by BO_knows_MMA on Sep 20, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
The Jones hate cracks me up.
I can’t wait to see him whoop Rampage’s ass and spend the next decade driving hardcore fans crazy with his ‘arrogant’ and ‘phony’ demeanor.
Good times.
by Steve4192 on Sep 20, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I think he could whoop Rampage
And look spectacular doing it. Still doesn’t stop something about his personality that bugs people.
And it’s not because he’s a Superman who’s yet to face his kryptonite. There’s just something that feels contrived about his personality. Like he’s trying too hard to be a ‘role model champion’ or whatever. He needs to loosen up and be more natural.
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by KJ Gould on Sep 20, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I think “loosen up” is the key phrase, he looks tense and unsure.
I think it is more to do with maturity, it wouldn’t surprise me to find out he was a fairly sheltered child and this all is probably overwhelming him. I noticed it more in this appearance than I have before. He’s a kid, and not just because of his age
There have been plenty of athletes who have done just that. Jones very well might be the next.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 20, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
And win or lose that is probably going to continue.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 20, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
What's funny is...
You are insinuating that if you don’t like Jones, some of us are crazy enough to bet on Rampage winning. Nope. I don’t like Jones, but my pocket book isn’t stupid.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 20, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
jones hate is getting old
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by milk72 on Sep 20, 2011 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
it seems the Milk has gone sour......
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 20, 2011 11:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
do you really care how he comes off as a person?
hes probably the most exciting fighter in the sport right now… i just dont understand why people seem to be going out of their way to hate him
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Judging by people hating Floyd Mayweather’s guts, yes, I think people take personality into account when they decide which fighters to cheer for.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 20, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
People cheered for Jordan and Woods' personality?
That’s news to me. I always thought it was their dominance (and earlier in Jordan’s career, his flashiness).
by Pantherhare on Sep 20, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thats a real good point
which is why i think at this point jones should hire a few writers and have a full heel turn
it would only help him since hes never gonna be an americas sweetheart type of athlete
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The thing with Jones is IMO
He is trying to be an “america’s sweetheart type of athlete” but he comes across as arrogant instead of humble and appreciative of his success in the sport
it doesnt effect me too much.
But I don’t care for people that act that way. I will always watch him fight. I will never attempt to train with him or associate with him.
You can purchase training sessions with almost any fighter,I wouldn’t want to do that with him.
I wouldn’t attend a seminar with him there.
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 20, 2011 11:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes.
In the absence of a hometown team to root for, you have to pick your favorites based on other, equally arbitrary metrics. Personality comes into play big-time.
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idk maybe its just that he just doesnt piss me off
i like seeing cocky athletes though, especially when their 23 and have all the potential in the world
but you are right personality does play a big factor, its probably the biggest reason i love wanderlei and cro cop with an undying passion especially since the past couple years havent exactly gone that well for those two guys
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I would LOVE it if he were simply cocky. But he’s cocky but packaged as this ideal, humble guy..etc.
My issue is that I think Jones is INCREDIBLY cocky, but isn’t allowed to be himself. People might hate him for being cocky, but at least it would be real.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 20, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
yea i see that too
i liken jones to michael jordan very much when it comes to personality
jordan was always kinda a cocky piece of shit, but he put on this family friendly show that made him the biggest spokesman in the entire world
jones looks like hes trying to do that and simply failing miserably
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Brent, you’re starting to sound like you reallly know who Jon Jones is.
There’s more to a person’s personality, well particularly a public figure’s personality than what’s on camera. The kid is very young and maybe he’s simply not comfortable in his own skin yet. Many public figures are extremely guarded when it comes to their personal space and life so it is understandable why he doesn’t come off as authentic.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 20, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That might be it, but he’s in a public position and is expected to be one of the biggest drawing stars in the sport. His personality and how people perceive it is of major importance.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 20, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but he’s still young.
Who knows sooner or later he may decide to go to the NBA 101 media relations classes and read scripted responses because he’s not going to win while he’s trying to be comfortable and growing as a young man.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 20, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
For all we know he could be the goddamned Batman, but if he doesn’t show us that in his televised appearances how are we supposed to praise him for it? What we know of Jones is based on (a) his in-cage performance, and (b) his televised interviews and spots.
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I like Brent’s response better, he understood what I said.
But just for good measure.
- Many people felt they knew Rashad Evans based on TUF2. Then slowly but surely many realized they were wrong and realized he’s not a bad guy.
- The same thing issue with Matt Mitrione.
Some fighters are realizing that you must have a personality in order to get better and bigger fights. Some guys are really awkward in front of the camera and don’t know how to work it. Money Mayweather Jr.’s current personality took a LONG time to develop into the self-absorbed-a**-hole that everybody loves to hate.
I’m just saying that in his relative short MMA career, it is really hard to judge Jon Jones off short clips of his life on television. He’s young, his career is very young and he definitely thinks differently than most of his opponents.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 20, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I understood what you said, I'm just showing you my thought process.
I never said you couldn’t change your mind, either. I’ve changed my opinions on fighters more than once. But right now, at this juncture, all we know of Jon Jones are his media appearances so far.
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I don’t think you care to understand his upbringing. Given the arena that he’s in now, his religious upbringing is key to understanding the contradictions that you perceive in his personality. He’s the kind of guy who is going to evolve year to year. In twenty years, he could be raising funds for a political campaign or some weird religious enterprise or he could be fat and financially insolvent somewhere raving about the wrath of God. Why judge him now while he’s still figuring things out? He knows he’s going to be way too much for Rampage. So what?
by Charlie Custer on Sep 20, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Because he's fighting now, and I've gotta root for someone.
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Bingo.
Personality and history are what make people root for fighters even if you think they’re going to lose. It’s about building a connection and feeling for a fighter – and then paying boatloads of money to see them fight.
I make my picks based on personality (not my Civil War picks, don’t worry). If I dislike both fighters equally, or I don’t know anything about their personalities, I pick whoever’s wearing tighter shorts.
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And really
I agree that Jones’ personality is… lacking. But between him and a guy who nearly killed any number a innocent people while going on a literal rampage in a truck that had his giant goddamn face pasted on it… Jones is the worse one? Jones is the one that gets all the negative press for being a phony?
You people have no perspective.
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by Goonisis on Sep 20, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
That was just Rampage keepin’ it real. Jon Jones is a phony! A big, fat phony!
by BilboMcFonzie on Sep 20, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jon Jones is the first athlete in MMA history to assume a slightly manufactured personality in front of the media. The UFC may never recover from the damage caused by his reign of publicity terror.
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by Joe Dunman on Sep 20, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Good one.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 20, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a great point.
He reminds me of Oscar De La Hoya in the respect that he always feels extremely stiff and premeditated when there’s a camera present.
by TMadeBurner on Sep 20, 2011 12:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The sarcasm was kinda obvious in that one.
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You people?
What do you mean, you people?
While I do agree that Rampage’s actions are worse than anything Jones has ever done, Jones seems to be unlikeable because he is so self-righteous IMO.
Sure, Rampage may be crazy but indiscretions are easily forgotten under the barrage of information we are living under constantly.
Who exactly is trying to fade him this time?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 20, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
rampages barber.
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 20, 2011 11:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 11 recs
Jones fan but not as much as before, but...
Two things led to this, one is not his fault and the other is
On his rise to ascension I was so great a fan as to get off work early and head London UFC Fan Expo, just to check him out (and get a picture with him, told him “you have fans in New Zealand too” to which he replied “that’s good to know”). His open workout was well done and informative, cool guy nothing, wrong with that.
But then he destroyed my man Shogun, that’s not his fault, it’s his job and Shogun’s too, to fight.
What really got me was the tweets, they were a bit much before the Rashad match up but after that it all went downhill quickly.
Don’t blame the guy at all he’s only 23(?) but damn for some of these guys need someone to screen those tweets.
With all that said, I love MMA because it’s all-but undiluted combat, not for the personalities or the promotions. To that end Jones is the man, advantages and all, he breaks faces and reduces great fighters to dust, and for that you can’t hate, not if you’re fan of martial ability and violence.
by jwalker on Sep 20, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well put
IMO, social media outlets likentwitter give us far too much access to public figures for any of them to remain untarnished for very long. Sooner or later, a person will talk out of their ass, or make grand claims without base, only now they live on forever in the cloud.
To quote Tarantino, the less prone a man is to make declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
DFW gives bonuses to his employees for increasing their twitter following…that fact alone should lead you to take it all with a grain of salt.
Meanwhile, JonJones is fighting Rampage this weekend! It’s gonna be great!
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I fail to see the difference between GSP and Jones
They both have this boring conservative personality in front of the media. Im not quite sure why one is beloved and the other is hated constantly.
And as much as i find it boring, i prefer it to Rampage’s constant hostility to every other human in the room (and ive never seen him around animals so who knows).Can he get along with anyone other than Tiki?
I don’t see GSP and Jones having anything anywhere close to the same personality.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 20, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
GSP is naturally humble, soft-spoken and polite
Jones comes off as someone who exercises extreme focus to come off this way and it comes off ‘iffy’ and unnatural which is why you feel awkward watching.
GSP's been humbled twice by Hughes and Serra
So I’m completely convinced that he’s a humble guy. He’s never proclaimed himself to be a champion before he fought for the title. In fact it’s the opposite. GSP’s said that when he’s defending his title, he feels like the challenger again and that he isn’t actually the champion going into the fight.
Brent said it perfectly. I also wish he was completely cocky without this fake humility he continues to feed everyone.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 20, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Brent hits the nail on the head
It’s uncomfortable watching Jones because you know he’s not being natural. Rampage is natural. Jones is such a square. He tries way too hard to come off a certain way which in the end is counterproductive because he comes off worse.
When Jones was legitimately irked by Vera’s trash talk and got in his face at the weigh-ins..it was natural emotion. Not the fabricated “I stare diagonally past my opponent” gimmick. It isn’t though out, it’s just natural. What he doesn’t realize is that he probably wouldn’t come off like such a raging hard-on if he could stop being who he wants to be and just be himself.
Everything from his tone, his pronunciation, and vocabulary is tailored to come off as the uber-professional and it comes off phony. Just be yourself kid!
by KidCanada on Sep 20, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Kid
is right. He just strikes me as an odd kid, who’s trying to find the right note, and doesn’t have a lot of experience in dealing with a public persona. He’s prolly confused how the hard-core audience turned the purse-snatcher chaser hero into the demonic, belt-stealer from children, devil. But that’s what we, the public do; build up our heroes, tear ‘em down, then revel in the reconstitution of those fallen from grace as they find redemption. We love epic narratives. Once we’ve torn Jones down enough, we’ll all love the “lesson-learned, hard-luck” edition.
He just needs better handlers.
by Dootch on Sep 20, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Get ready because rampage will smash him
by psychoblack on Sep 20, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
no he wont
i see very little oppurtunity for page to win this
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Rampage is taking him out
by psychoblack on Sep 20, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
page might hit him with one punch and take him out
but i think his best bet is to copy what bj did against fitch and come out and grab a double and take this fight to the floor
jones and nobody else in the world will expect it, and we’ve never seen jones off his back before
if page can stay planted in guard, have the best cardio he ever had, and land enough blows to chip away at what i think may not be a bottomless gas tank on boned he can finish the fight in the later rounds
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If Rampage had better footwork to go with his Boxing
He’d have a more legitimate chance. But he’s never shown to take leg kicks well, and I don’t think anyone can hang with Jones in the clinch at LHW until a super talented Greco guy comes along who’s not completely out-muscled by Jones.
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Jones is far more awkward than he tries to let on. It manifests itself in what appears to be insincerity and conceitedness in a young guy who hasn’t had the support network of a NFL or NBA star.
Add that to him being a blaxplosive stud and not a hard-workin’, humble-as-the-day-is-long country boy and that’s a recipe for over the top fan hatred in North American sports, especially MMA.
He also doesn’t fit people’s comfortable stereotypes of a young black man. Good family, “speaks so well”, wife and kids. People are infinitely more comfortable with Rampage’s slang-heavy, clown-cum-thug shtick.
Few people want to say that though so they talk about him being “off” or “phony”, “can’t quite put my finger on it”. They’re not really sure they can justify their level of dislike.
Jones’ isn’t a story of hard work and dedication. It’s a tale of physical gifts
Every cliche in the book. Can’t believe he actually put that to print.
by Sink on Sep 20, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 23 recs
By far...
…the most sensible take on this whole Jones thing. Move on, peeps.
by INGO B on Sep 20, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
By far...
…the most ignorant take on all of this.
There are hundreds and hundreds of bright, articulate black athletes from good families who don’t come across as phony a-holes who believe they are the messiah.
Way to play the race card when it isn’t applicable.
by Django Z on Sep 20, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Didn’t you know, the race card always wins. Because if you don’t agree, it just means you are racist still.
by Empty Thoughts on Sep 20, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
there’s a racial element to this, for sure.
on the other hand, i don’t think everyone who dislikes jon jones is doing it from a racial perspective. he does lots of stuff that’s annoying – the whole thing he pulled with rashad was weird, alwasy talking about humble he is, throwing faber under the bus after dancing the dougie with him, etc.
i also don’t think you can ignore that fighters like rashad and phil davis are well spoken and still popular – not all black mma fighters are like rampage.
also, plenty of white fighters piss people off for no good reason. lots of people get pretty annoyed by matt hughes, for instance (a country boy). plenty of people find urijah faber super fake. lots of people will just admit that they hate cb dolloway’s face.
and plenty of people are just haters. how many people hate GSP on this board?
if you write stuff like snowden did, you run the risk of being called racially insensitive (personally I would not have written that – especially since everyone knows what a cereberal fighter jones is, and how insanely hard he works). if you write stuff like you did, you run the risk of being called someone who “cries wolf.”
there is a racial element to jon jones. the real question is to know exactly where it starts.
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by FightingFighting on Sep 20, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol cold but true facts about Rampage
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by AfroSamurai on Sep 20, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i think he's awkward because he hasn't developed a narrative yet
He’s young and still trying to find himself. I know that sounds cliche, but anyone who has gone through their early twenties knows that, at that age, you have so many options and avenues. How you choose to behave ultimately opens some doors, while simultaneously closing others.
I still don’t like Bones, but he’s still finding his place.
Right now, he’s the world champion of a sport, and he’s not even been on the earth a quarter of a century.
by Body Triangle on Sep 20, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Jone’s isnt a story of hard work and dedication. Its tale of physical gifts
100% certified hater, I guess he just got a “matrix” style download and has never worked hard in the gym.
I don't think he meant it like that.
I think he meant it in the way that he’s no Forrest Griffin. Forrest Griffin is an everyman – he’s nothing special, but he works his balls off and became champ. It’s not that Jones doesn’t have to work, but it’s that he does things that, for anyone else, are damn near impossible to pull off no matter how much time you put in the gym.
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Listen. The way he phrased that statement has been repeated often throughout the sports media and journalism. The statement is not original.
There’s usually some kind of comparison where one athlete is simply diligent, cerebral and hard working while the highlighted athlete doesn’t work as hard . . . he’s just naturally gifted. I think that’s lazy.
but it’s that he does things that, for anyone else, are damn near impossible to pull off no matter how much time you put in the gym.
Where you see the impossible, some people simply do.
Many of the stuff that Anderson Silva does comes from practice. He detailed the story about his crazy elbow KO against Tony Fryklund. His team said don’t try that foolish crap, but he decided to practice that move again and again. The same thing applies to Machida, and Jon Jones. Jones said when he came into the UFC that he watched YouTube videos and spent time practicing moves.
The difference between dynamic strikers like Jones, Machida, Aldo or Silva and the guys that thinks its super-incredible and impossible is the thought process and the time they put into their approach.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 20, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Listen. No matter how much time I spend in the gym, I won’t have 84 inches of reach. I won’t have the eyesight or reflexes of Anderson Silva.
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The converse is also true, though
Plenty of people with 84 inches of reach, or people with fantastic eyesight, or with excellent reflexes never even set foot in the gym.
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by FightingFighting on Sep 20, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
I wonder about that all the time – how many people are there in the world who have the right set of “gifts” to be excellent at some sport or another – something pretty specific – but never do because they never had the opportunity?
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Like Shogun said, this is not the first time I faced a tall fighter with a good reach. Cyrille Diabaté is tall and has an incredible reach advantage. Shogun beat that ass.
Did you see the relatively young Roy Jones fight? He’s 6’4" and he sports a long reach. He’s fighting for Strikeforce at LHW. He trains with Rashad Evans. Let’s see how he does. How does he train? HOw does he think?
Note, it is really hard to gauge, quantify Anderson Silva’s reflexes and eyesight. But note, the guy doesn’t drink or smoke. He also has drills that will keep his reflexes sharp.
Postscript: Frankie Edgar will probably never be as big, strong, and flexible as BJ Penn. But he’s working and training.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 20, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i also thought of the anderson silva
elbow thing.
people say he has such natural talent, and he does, but everything you see has been practiced ten thousand times.
same with jones. the guy is such a thinker, it’s crazy.
Yet people will continute think it comes so easy to him because of his preternatural godly athletic gifts. Just excuses.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 20, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I kinda disagree
Dude is just awkward and dorky, I don’t think race is that big of a factor. Steve Urkel wasn’t the most socially acceptable individual either, just sayin.
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by SentientAndroid on Sep 20, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think there's an element of this that is dead on
but I’m not sure you’ve got your finger entirely on it. Jones to me seems like a young guy who’s trying on different personalities, and it does sometimes come across as fake. It doesn’t help that he’s in the spotlight, and that everything he says becomes a pull-quote on a dozen MMA blogs, and that — as you point out — he hasn’t had the benefit of the major sports’ high-end PR teams coaching him on what to say.
I’m still a huge Bones fan, but some of the shit he says does grate. I think as he matures he’ll settle into an identity that’s a little more cohesive and fully formed.
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by Dave Strummer on Sep 20, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Completly Agree With with most of it however
I’d like to add Rashad and Bones are completely different fighters yet the hate comes from the same place. The doesn’t fit comfortable stereotypes place and i feel he is far more sincere than Jones.
The however came because fans have seen him work hard to get where he is yet the doesn’t fit won’t let them like him.
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by AfroSamurai on Sep 20, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay. Cliched. I can agree with that. On the other hand, let’s take your viewpoint of the article (which I basically agree with): Is the article wrong? Because to be honest, I don’t think it is. If you were going to try and tactfully write what that article says, that’s pretty much the way you’d go about it.
by VirtualBalboa on Sep 20, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE FUCKING HEAD!
He also doesn’t fit people’s comfortable stereotypes of a young black man. Good family, "speaks so well", wife and kids. People are infinitely more comfortable with Rampage’s slang-heavy, clown-cum-thug shtick.
Few people want to say that though so they talk about him being "off" or "phony", "can’t quite put my finger on it". They’re not really sure they can justify their level of dislike.
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I don’t like him and it has nothing to do with his race. He is corny as hell, seemingly disingenuous, and cocky. If it were a white man making those same comments, I would feel the exact same way.
I do believe, as someone pointed out earlier, that a lot of it is because he hasn’t developed a comfort level in the spot light and in front of the camera. Sometimes he seems to try to hard to be liked and to say the right thing.
Hopefully as he matures, becomes more comfortable with himself and with the public eye, we can see his true persona.
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by keyboardwarrior on Sep 20, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
fuck that.
I love Bryant Gumble. :-p. Don’t confuse me not caring for a black dudes attitude. As me not caring for well spoken , non-thugish, religious black people.
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 20, 2011 2:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Same here
I highly doubt that it has much to do with his race. I have no problem with Jones btw, I will admit that he’s pretty lame though.
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by SentientAndroid on Sep 20, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
T-Woods to me is a perfect example of someone who is educated "good english" and will probably still face the same lack of acceptence if he ever makes it to the big stage.
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Fuck no he didn't.
Not by a longshot. Maybe if everyone in the U.S was an idiot and conceived the world only through stereotypes, but even that I doubt. Now, add to that that MMA is a global freaking sport. I’m in Mexico, I could give two shits about Rampage’s “urban” persona, whatever that is supposed to mean to me south of y’all.
If anything, I understand Jones better when he speaks, and so what? he still comes across as a clown.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 20, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, people hate a guy that speaks well and has a good family. It has nothing to do with that. It is how he comes off I think. It is similar to Frank Mir, who is probably also a cool guy but comes off like a cocky jerk at times.
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Exactly.
If anything, I should like Jones better. He seems better schooled than Rampage (a gross understatement), is polite, is a family man and has a lovely wife (watch out for the pussy train, though, ‘cause it’s coming…). And yet…well…he tries too hard.
Now, let’s look at Rampage: He’s, let’s be honest here, an uneducated meathead who has squandered plenty of his athletic gifts, is a womanizer, and at some point even a sychotic driver who thought that he himself was a god (no shit). And yet…well…he’s kind of an ass, but he’s an honest ass…
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by Unabomberman on Sep 20, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
*psychotic*
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by Unabomberman on Sep 20, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus Christ… Am I the only one on this fucking site that has grown up around black people who weren’t gangsters.
I am so sick of this explanation. I disagree with Snowden’s quote, but I also disagree with you.
by Diz D on Sep 20, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I actually like Jones and dislike rampage but I think Jones comes off as falsely humble. I don’t care though. I couldn’t care less about their interview skills etc. Rampage is far more of a jerk on a regular basis. I hope Jones destroys him (and he will). Jones getting way too much hate, what has he really done to garner this type of hatred? I don’t get it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 20, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 20 recs
another foolhardy soul laid low by the "slow news day" rule
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by Dave Strummer on Sep 20, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Jones hate on this site is ridiculous. Somehow Jones is more “reprehensible” than a guy who runs over pregnant ladies and molests reporters? Whatever.
by joshyboy708 on Sep 20, 2011 11:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Just because Rampage is a bigger douche doesn’t mean Jones shouldn’t get the hate he deserves.
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Sep 20, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think he deserves hate
Though that whole replica belt nonsense was dumb, and his agent really fucked up on twitter regarding the necessity of his hand surgery.
A combination of mismanagement and naivety doesn’t warrant hate. Jones does just bug me though.
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He's not reprehensible
Not to me. He just seems ‘Off’ and it’s been hard to put a finger on what it is exactly.
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Jones has struck me for a while as being disingenuous. I was a huge fan of the guy both as a fighter and a person. I still think he’s a phenomenal fighter, the sort that comes from a combination of physical gifts, natural skill, and hard work, but my views on the kid seem to match Rashad Evans’. The more videos I see of the kid outside of fighting the more he just comes off as very fake. And his refusing to sign championship belts after he became champion because he hated the idea of replica belts was just bizarre, when before his fight with Shogun he’d sign belts and sign them “World Champion,” that’s extremely disingenuous. Even not withstanding the latter part, I’d hate to be an 11-year-old kid who begged and got a UFC replica belt for Christmas in lieu of an X-Box (because they cost about the same), only for Jon Jones not to sign it when I came to an autograph signing.
Feel free to point out where I said Jones was “reprehensible” or where I said “but Rampage, his history is fantastic!”
It’s not a fucking a or b proposition. The discussion was about the video in question, Rampage was not “running over pregnant ladies” in this video, so no…that wasn’t a part of the discussion.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 20, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
People just point out other fighters flaws to mask the obvious flaws of the fighter they’re defending with their lives
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Sep 20, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Some people point out other fighters far more considerable and serious flaws to put the demonization of certain other fighters into perspective.
by joshyboy708 on Sep 20, 2011 11:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Someone’s comment on here mentioned Jones being reprehensible. Perhaps I should have replied directly to that. In any case a lot of the Jones hate on here seems attributed to various combinations of “keeping it real” cliches and “can’t quite put my finger on it” jibberish.
by joshyboy708 on Sep 20, 2011 11:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's a false argument
Both of these are true:
1) Rampage should do jail time
2) Jones is a dick
See, it’s easy to dislike Jones and still hold Rampage accountable for a real crime.
It’s probably because he has Frank Mir syndrome. He tries to act way more witty/clever than he actually is.
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Sep 20, 2011 11:44 AM EDT reply actions
OK, NOW I get it
Because how I feel about Mir is how most on here feel about Bones. Good analogy!
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by menckenstein on Sep 20, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nah
Mir is just a cocky douche who doesn’t care that people know that he’s a cocky douche. Bones doesn’t doesn’t come off cocky to me at all, just socially awkward.
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by SentientAndroid on Sep 20, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know. He comes off a bit weird to me too, Maybe it’s just that he is new to the spotlight and level of attention he is getting now.
Funny clips though. Love Rampage when he gets going.
i think of fighters by their nationalities when is comes to personalities
i see Japanese fighters as very emotionless and stoic
many fighters from over seas are very nationalistic
Brazilian fighters are very respectful and passionate about the martial art
i see american fighters as the big personalities and thats why i cant seem to get into jones..he seems to bland to me
and yes i know that there is many exceptions to what i said i.e saka being a ball of fun
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Sure there are news here, but there is something called analysis where the writer’s opinion will probably factor into the writing.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 20, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
To be clear I m not an angry black dude slinging shit to see if it sticks.
I just think this kid gets a ton of crap, unjustified imo but we seem to idolize guys with great personalities because they are “real” or funny. Those same guys most guys idolize have a shit load of character flaws, drug abusers, cheaters, women beaters, drunks, pervs, dickheads etc etc.
by malo on Sep 20, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You shouldn't speak in such general terms when it comes to "idolizing."
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by Unabomberman on Sep 20, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
geeeeeees man
thanks for stopping by..dont let the door hit you
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by Unabomberman on Sep 20, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Who actually fits Snowden's article?
Regular folk, college graduates, achievers who just happen to work harder and have scary levels of dedication and pain tolerance
So where are these UFC superstars that fit this definition? Forrest Griffin! And…?
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by FightingFighting on Sep 20, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions
your opening up a can of worms here
im sure there will be more Bloody elbow’ers post off this so i will jsut start with:
rich franklin
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Agreed with both K-Flo and Rich.
And Forrest and Rich are definitely the poster boys for this concept.
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by FightingFighting on Sep 20, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I felt Jones was contriving the "feud" a little bit
He’s still young and maybe he’ll develop a better media personality, but in most cases, like fighting, you’re either born with it or you’re not. Quinton stole the show, he’s so damn entertaining to listen to.
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Classic. Rampage owns Jon Jones in the stand up (comedy) all day
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how corny was the high five jones wanted from dr.phil
was like a “you go girl” moment
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Dr. Phil is going to be in his corner for the fight now
Rampage needs to call up Steve Wilkos ASAP
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by menckenstein on Sep 20, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
On a related note
I was pleasantly surprised by the chuckle I got out of Dr. Phil when he said “are you going to take that from him?”
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by Dave Strummer on Sep 20, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I enjoyed that, as well.
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Corny no, awkward maybe.
You go girl moment? I am sure a real man like you only fists bumps, while your hands are on fire from punching holes in propane gas tanks.
fist bumps are so 2004 brah...
its all about chest bumps
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I guess I can relate to Jon Jones and that's why I like him.
He’s so clearly the best that it’s a waste of his time to have him fight anyone.
Come at me, bro.
by IKiIIed007 on Sep 20, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Some people are just awkward. Bones is one of them.
Nothing to hate on. He’s gifted in the cage and dominates his opponents. If I don’t want to see his interviews — get this — I just won’t watch them. I completely understand where other people are coming from but for me I’d rather just watch him fight. Maybe one day he’ll develop that personality that everyone wants.
by Andrew602 on Sep 20, 2011 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
My reasons for disliking Jon Jones are very clear
One, I don’t like the fact he is so physically talented. I don’t like watching a fight, and despite knowing the fact his opponent is a way better striker then him, is going to be outstruck soley because Jon Jones can hit them with a spinning back elbow before his opponent can hit him with a jab. I don’t like seeing Shogun or Vera look like they don’t even belong in the right weightclass and I don’t like the fact I don’t think Jon Jones physical attributes makes it so he can be world champion without anywhere near the work or skill level of the other top guys. Now i am not saying Jon Jones doesn’t work hard, I am sure he does, but he hasn’t worked nearly as long and hard as the other guys because of his natural abilities.
I also don’t like his personality, his holier then thou I am smarter and better then everyone attitude. He didn’t earn it, he was gifted with it and anyone claiming otherwise is a liar, you can’t be blessed with a 84 inch reach advantage, freakish strength for your build and not rely on it.
That and he feels fake. He is by far my least favorite fighter in MMA
by DarthKitty on Sep 20, 2011 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I love this!
Now that’s the irrational hate I like to see!
Come at me, bro.
by IKiIIed007 on Sep 20, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
See
I am a hater, I don’t need to hide it
I give you credit for that much.
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I think there is some rationality to it though
I prefer blue collar to god given talent, and when he eventually moves to HW I probably will like him because his physical advantages will no longer be so extreme
Embrace your hate, nothing wrong with it.
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A lot of people hate LeBron James for the same reasons — he’s so naturally gifted.
by Pantherhare on Sep 20, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
They don’t hate him because he’s naturally gifted, they hate him because of #1 The Decision, which is 10^43 more arrogant than anything Jones has ever done or could do—-LBJ was probably the 2nd most popular player in the NBA before that #2 he’s so unbelievably naturally gifted yet doesn’t seem to be improving much: exhibit A, he has still barely developed half a fucking post game. A 6’8 265 pound guy who can only be guarded on the perimeter by shorter people hasn’t figured out 8 years into his career that he could post up every single one of them and probably shoot 55+% from the field any time he’s guarded by a shorter guy. The blueprint? The two most similar players to him in recent times being Kobe and MJ dominating with their post moves……….except LeBron is taller and bigger and should be even better in that area.
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by SentientAndroid on Sep 20, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think a lot of people overlook
the fact that HE’S 22 DAMN YEARS OLD! Name me one 22 year old guy who ISN’T an *******, let alone one who is realizing he might be the baddest man on the planet in terms of combat sports, and I will give you moneys.
Bones is in his Pretty Boy Floyd stage.
He’s trying too hard to be a super babyface which will eventually result in one of MMA’s most epic heel turns of all time.
i can see it now
dana goes to put the belt on his and BOOM sweet chin music from bones to dana
ultimate heel turn
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He turned heel way before that
when he kicked Marty Jannetty through Brutus’s barber shop window…..man I’m dating myself with this comment.
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the infamous "accidental" kick during the nasty boys match
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Good call
I can still picture that in my head Jannetty getting pissed and Michael’s “pleading” with him that it was an accident. Wow, yet somehow I can’t remember anything from Calculus!
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by ChillMike on Sep 20, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Before that even he had already started to ‘hog’ the mic in interviews and such. They laid the groundwork on it for awhile actually.
by Empty Thoughts on Sep 20, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Every Clique member had multiple heel and face turns through most of their careers
I liked them all better as faces save Hunter Herst Helmsley who was always a heel to me.
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 20, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
HHH is a horrendous babyface
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by Earl Montclair on Sep 20, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i was literally just thinking this
he will get tired of trying to make people like them and then go full heel.
Reminds me of Tom Cruise
You don’t know what is going on underneath it all…but something ain’t right
I feel sorry for you guys
that can’t just sit back and enjoy that. I thought it was some pretty good exposure for the sport and it was entertaining at the same time.
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Jon "Phones" Jones
I’m echoing this sentiment. He’s phoney as hell, and really does not have a likeable personality. What i don’t like about him is that he is trying very hard to come off as modest but he’s the polar opposite and is entirely full of himself.
I never liked Jones but always respected his skills, but he turned my dislike into hate when he started talking trash on his own “friend” Rashad Evans ……. and I think he made up that hand injury because he’s scared to fight Rashad
by Sonnens Political Adviser on Sep 20, 2011 12:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I can't believe people are actually convinced Rampage will win...
by RobSchneider'sSuccessfulTwin on Sep 20, 2011 1:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Some people believe Iraq had WMD
Others believe in ghosts and spirits and the devil and such. What are you gonna do? People live with their delusions until they are shattered.
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Thanks for the post, really enjoyed both videos.
I still don’t understand the hate for Jon Jones…he doesn’t really rub me the wrong way. Reminds me of the ‘hate’ people have for LeBron James
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by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 20, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions
Yep
They are similar people – very talented and utterly befuddled that people might dislike them.
Why, oh why, would anyone ever dislike LeBron???
Dunno…donating 2.5million dollars to the Boys and Girls Club of America is a evil thing to do.
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by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 20, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the problem Jones has
He’s a gifted athlete from a family of gifted athletes. He spent his childhood getting dominated by his bigger, stronger, now NFL-playing older brother. He’s got a monster younger NCAA Div I football playing brother who was probably tough to toss around the house. Jones got into wrestling and worked his ass off, got really fucking good at it and won a title. Then he got into MMA.
Here’s where it gets interesting. At home, he couldn’t always dominate his brothers. But MMA turned out to be a lot easier than he expected. I mean, he probably busted his ass and expected a challenge, but he’s walking through the LHW division like Frankie Edgar would beat down a high school wrestler. He’s got to be thinking ..ooOO (Holy shit, am I way out of their league. I thought this would be tough but it turns out I had a tougher time wrestling the remote control away from my brothers than I do in the cage against professional fighters.) Now he has to try to balance his respect for the sport and his desire to be a martial artist with the realization that the only way he can lose a fight is if he’s stabbed, poisoned, or fighting one of his brothers.
If this were 1993-1996, I could beat the kid down and teach him some humility, but I’m too old now, and I don’t have those brass knuckles anymore.
Come at me, bro.
by IKiIIed007 on Sep 20, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Lol
That would have made him 6 in 1993, so I’m sure you probably could.
by RobSchneider'sSuccessfulTwin on Sep 20, 2011 1:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't have put money on it.
He was probably a better athlete at 6 than I was at 22.
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Still would have gotten owned by Larry Merchant circa 1961
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by joker24 on Sep 20, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The biggest reason people dislike Jones is that he destroyed Shogun. If you disliked Jones before that, then congratulations, you probably have legitimate problems with his grating personality.
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by Bolshevik on Sep 20, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't care about Shogun, he's always bored me.
I thought Jones was fascinating to watch and exciting right up until the weird thing with Rashad. Then Jones seemed to start acting more and more odd.
I mean this half-seriously: I really wonder if maybe Jones had a manic break at some point in there and hasn’t been the same since.
Jones probably uses a more concentrated version of his real personality, but I don't think he's a "phoney"
The dude caught a criminal on the day of his championship fight. That is not something that someone is arrogant and self absorbed would do. Hell that’s actually the opposite of someone who is supposedly arrogant and self absorbed would do.
1. If he gets hurt it could ruin his chances at winning a title
2. That would be their problem(getting robbed) and not his
Jon is clearly going out of his way to be a positive role model and as a somewhat socially conscious black guy I can’t be mad at him for that. With as many negative athletic role models that are out there for young black kids I’m happy that he’s trying to be a positive one. I don’t think this image that he uses is too far from his real personality though.
I don’t think that is the real issue with all this “hate”. Most of it is clearly coming from him beating Shogun like he did. The guy was labeled as “cocky” and “arrogant” for even thinking he can beat Shogun. He went out there beat the hell out of Shogun and it was an uncompetitive fight and since then every damn thing Jones has done has been hyper analyzed and spun like an Obama quote from Fox news.
Everyone goes, “Jones is so phoney and so fake” then he is honest about Cruz beating Faber and everyone goes, “why would he be honest there? What a terrible person.” Jon Jones calls Rashad out on calling him “White boy” after he got on Rampage for using similar insults against him. Rashad calls him a liar and everyone echos it and says Jones is lying. He proves Rashad said it and then everyone calls him a snitch for doing that.
So I think it’s very disingenuous when people say, “I’d like him if he was openly cocky” and such. No y’all wouldn’t. Then you’d go, “I knew he was cocky, I hate cocky fighters, War Rampage(who is also cocky along with most fighters).”
Some people think it’s race related, but I don’t think it is in most cases. The problem is that Jon just beat “their guy” and many people(including the BE staff) are trying to make excuses for not liking him when it’s obvious. Hell if you look at the staff predictions for UFC 128 of the 8 staff members at least 6 of them were clearly rooting for Shogun.
So none of this is about Jones’ personality. It’s just that there is no other way to really bash him. You can either bitch about his personality or try and say he’s a dirty fighter because he got warned by the referee.
As far as the Jimmy Kimmel appearance goes I think they both came across really well and they were both funny. I laughed my way through like 70% of their, annoyingly short, segment
by HaterSlayer on Sep 20, 2011 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I wwould rec this 1000 times if I could.
The Jones hate is ridiculous and unfounded. He is a great fighter and trying to be a great role model. I don’t care how fake he seems. I’d rather my kid look up to his humble, fake personality than Rampage’s cocky, real personality.
by RobSchneider'sSuccessfulTwin on Sep 20, 2011 2:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's not unfounded, and it's not *hate*.
Dude comes across as trying too hard.
Sure, he is cocky. So what? He is a kid and he’s maturing—but that’s not it. The best example I have is that of a non native speaker of a language trying really, really hard to sound native when he doesn’t have the practice. That’s the issue.
He’s not phony, but he does come across as too rehearsed that it borders on silly, and his perceived holier than thou personality is grating.
It’s not hate, not envy, and not contempt—he just rubs folk the wrong way. Period.
People threw a mature well adjusted kid into the lion’s den of public perception and somehow expected him to be the Tiger Woods of MMA and now he is trying his hardest to live up to that mold, and that can only end in disaster for him. Mark my words.
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by Unabomberman on Sep 20, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampage is hilarious
that is all
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Jones issues stem from a dichotomy within himself
He is arrogant and cocky as any one with his talents would be, yet he is whole heartedly trying to embrace humiltity and the martial way. It is a difficult balance for a person to strike in his position.
In the end, Jones isn’t that phony or wrong in what he does, he just has a tremendous “I dont like that motherfucker” factor about him.
The "I don't like that motherfucker" factor.
I’m going to have to use this more often, it’s perfect.
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jon jones pops was worried about him making it has a fighter
I wonder what his opinion would be today. I think his pops didn’t think that his character wpuld be conducive. And that might be what we are seeing now. The guy may be an awsome fighter who just comes off unpolished and accustomed to the media aspect of being a fighter. We give nick diaz a bunch of shit but he goes out there and fights. So does jones. And as fans that’s all we should give a shit about. Really who gives a fuck if they are awkward infront of a camera. I want to see them express themselves in a fight. Not infront of a camera. I am not dana white….I’m not worried about the money. I’m worried about seeing good to awsome fights. And jon jones is about performing in the 0ctagon. I hope rampage is aswell or he will get molliwoged. Here’s to a great fight. And fuck all your media bullshit and site hits.
by XingYi on Sep 20, 2011 3:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You see what I mean about people looking way too deeply into what he says?
Maybe his dad was concerned about fighting people to make a living. Also, are you really gonna put Nick Diaz and Jon Jones in the same group? Nick Diaz is unprofessional and many people claim to not like Jones because he seems too professional.
I do agree with the rest of what you said though. I don’t care for Nick Diaz(and didn’t before his whole thing with the presser) but I like watching him fight.
Yes fighters are needed to promote fights. But why can’t we has fans understand when they don’t like to promote fights. When they may have bad english or are uncomfortable infront of cameras. I can care less. Just train hard and fight hard. That’s all I want. All this tmz like nonesense is discomforting. And diaz is a proffessional fighter. He brings it in every fight. Fuck everythiong else….I don’t care. The only one who does is and should be zuffa. I won’t dare judge him on anything outside the cage. Baring some violent confrontation with a women or ect.
by XingYi on Sep 20, 2011 4:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Btw Brent, Disney went ‘ham’ on the second video. It’s is no longer available for our enjoyment.
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by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 20, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
er..the second part uploaded by JKL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5Txpjth5I
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by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 20, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The more I read and post on this site it seems like you all are looking for your own tmz. Fuck the drama.let’s talk about the fight. I don’t know why I say anyhting. My grammar will ne made fun of along with my sentance structure while you all worry about someones ability to express themselves to the media. I want them to express themselves using a.l.l.a.h in the cage. That’s it. F kimil. F press conferences. Why do you all care? Jones brings it in the cage with a creativity that is damn near unriviled. How beautifull he is to watch. I get goose bumbs. Rampage too…though he needs to free himself in this fight or he will lose. To rigid…to one dimensional. He has to open up his game if a good fight is going to happen against jones.
by XingYi on Sep 20, 2011 4:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I like Jones more than Rampage. Ya I said it. The funniest thing Rampage has ever done was when he turned his back on Jones at the press conference. Besides that I think Rampage is the awkward one. His jokes are corny and everyone laughs because they are scared of him.
You know what they say
The guy is 24 years old...give him a break
There aren’t too many 24-year olds that have this amount of attention, and I think he should be commended for his poise. If he was super rough around the edges people would bash him for not being media and PR savvy. You can’t have it both ways.
Personally I find him better than the “old” Tiger Woods who was essentially a golfing robot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5Txpjth5I
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by The One Who Wears The Crown on Sep 20, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The Jones hate comes from..
..the number of people hanging on his nuts.
He not proven to be as good as the nuthuggers think he is.
Give it time and we’ll tell
Rampage is hilarious when he wants to be. he should do more TV whether he’s fighting or not.
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