UFC on Fox: Cain Velasquez vs. Junior dos Santos Official
by Leland Roling on Sep 2, 2011 1:24 PM EDT
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The UFC announced today during a media conference call that UFC heavyweight champion Cain Velasquez will defend his title against Junior dos Santos on the inaugural UFC on Fox card on November 12 at the Honda Center in Anaheim, California. The one-hour network special, contrary to what we've heard in the past, will only feature one fight, sparking some debate in the immediate reaction to the news whether the UFC will fill space with preliminary fights.
In any case, this should be considered an intelligent decision by the UFC. For weeks, fans and media alike have gone through countless scenarios regarding potential match-ups. The rumors swirling around Alistair Overeem's impending contract signing with the UFC were the basis for heavy rumors that he would headline the event against Frank Mir. Overeem's relatively unknown status among casual fans lessened that possibility.
Tito Ortiz vs. Rich Franklin was another popular choice. Their names are synonymous with the brand. But many fans were wary of seeing that fight headline such a large event due to their veteran status and the loss of interest in both fighters as they've aged. Most fans agreed that building stars should be a priority when considering match-ups.
Velasquez vs. dos Santos fulfills that requirement. Neither man is a pay-per-view draw. With the future of Brock Lesnar as a viewer magnet up in the air, the UFC is looking for the next big thing in a division that has the potential to draw eyes. This could serve as that platform.
Jonathan Snowden comments at MMA Nation:
The UFC doesn't do things halfway. For their first main event on Fox, the promotion pulled out all the stops, booking a heavyweight title bout between champion Cain Velasquez and challenger Junior dos Santos. It's a bold as brass move by the UFC, a company that has never been shy about putting its best foot forward.
The first event on Fox will be incredibly important. The rating will establish where the sport stands in the pecking order of mainstream athletics. A heavyweight title fight speaks volumes about how the UFC is viewing their new relationship with Fox. It's also incredibly smart business.
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I love this fight but what PPV are they going to promote as a result of this
by Our Bovine Public on Sep 2, 2011 1:26 PM EDT reply actions
what I meant is if they had Guida vs Bendo as a main event on Fox they can promote the resulting title shit but this is the title shot…
by Our Bovine Public on Sep 2, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, it’s like the NFL putting on the superbowl as an advertising vehicle for a ppv pro bowl.
Seriously tho , that’s an impressive investment in their future business. Obviosuly it prob wont pay off immediately on the next PPV but they are really putting their best foot forward with the general public . very impressive. i just hope Cain’s shoulder is 100%
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by Hardy's in your face on Sep 2, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither Cain nor JDS are huge draws in MMA but they should be. They have lots they can promote with this. Both fighters are undefeated, and both fighters are sluggers. This should be an exciting fight regardless of the outcome. The winner will have new levels of exposure for their next fight which can be against the world K-1 champion in Overeem. Then maybe Lesnar will be back in the picture. If not they have lots of new exciting options as the SF HWs make their way over to the UFC.
"I think he doesn't accept punches very well. I don't know why." - JDS speaking of Brock Lesnar
JDS is not undefeated
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by Worldisart on Sep 2, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Undefeated is more like a state of mind…
by Afrotikiman on Sep 2, 2011 1:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Comment of the year
Anderson Silva is, and forever will be the greatest of all time.
Where can I buy my Cerrone cowboy hat?
However,
he has defeated every opponent he’s ever faced. Run and tell THAT, homeboy!
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 2, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohhhhh, we just supposed to assume he tapped to that weak sub attempt?
by Afrotikiman on Sep 2, 2011 3:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Weak ass sub attempt?
So you can’t see how hyperextended Junior’s arm is there?
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 2, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously Rollo?
Who has Cain ever subbed, let alone armbar’d?
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Sep 2, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It's getting more eyes on whomever their HW champion would be...
and extra eyes on the champ’s next PPV card.
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
ah, very good point!
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Sep 2, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Amazing!
You were right, Leland. I was eager to see this fight, but my (erroneous) assumption is that the UFC would not pull Cain from such a Latin-heavy market as San Diego.
Pow, right in the kisser!
KOW RIGHT IN THE PISSER!
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by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
The card this fight was originally on was in San Jose, not San Diego.
"Rather than love, than money, than faith, than fame, than fairness... give me truth."
Chris McCandless A.K.A. Alexander Supertramp
1968-1992
Yes, sorry.
San Jose. I have said that a few times today.
Either way, Hispanics/Latin Americans comprise about 1/3 of the population; that, along with the AKA narrative, was enough to convince me they would not pull it.
I love being wrong!
by Disco-Platypus on Sep 2, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I love that you were wrong too:)
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1968-1992
there
are quite a few hispanics around anaheim also…but I agree it is a little surprising pulling him off the home of aka, but I’m pumped…
by shootfirstaskquestionslater on Sep 2, 2011 1:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just wanna know……….is this BEFORE Pacqiuao vs Marquez?
Me > Ben Henderson
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Yes
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- Jack Layton
Yep
They purposely did that not to interfere.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 2, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't see me right now
But I just did a moonsault off my desk. And I can’t do moonsaults.
Me > Ben Henderson
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How's your broken leg on the attempt?
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Did it end up like Lesnar's in the WWE?
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
Hey, give the man some credit.
Brock botched a Shooting Star Press, not a moonsault. Degree of difficulty is 100x especially for a guy that size.
by The so-called Beautiful on Sep 2, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
SICK
prelims on FX or facebook, hopefully?
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BRAVO!
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by MyFightWiffaCheeto on Sep 2, 2011 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
Game of Thrones?
That’s a rec.
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I fucking hate you Joffrey!!!
"I don't give a flying f**k who you think I look like"
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
by Charles Awad on Sep 2, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
I hate this little bastard
by Gisele Federico Navarro Mendez on Sep 2, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He gets so much worse
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
STOP
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
by Charles Awad on Sep 2, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Collaborate
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Sep 2, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I thought it was
Ice is back on a brand new mission?
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Sep 2, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was...
Ice is back with a whole new edition…
I thought it was
rice is back, grab a bowl from the kitchen …
by ChiCity85 on Sep 2, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
LOL!
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Sep 2, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
For any fans of this show, read the books. This is one of the best book to movie/show adaptations I have ever seen. I am actually re-reading the series now and all the characters from the show are who I picture. Season 2 is going to be epic.
I hated the look of Jon at first but I think the kid is going to be really good. He seems to have the character nailed and since he is an enormous part of book 2 I have high hopes.
For any fans of this show, read the books.
… but stop reading after book three.
Chances are, the series will never get past Storm of Swords, and even if it does, the odds of GRRM finishing the series books are pretty slim. The dude jumped from a two year gap between novels one/two/three to a six year gap between four & five. Chances are, his schedule is infinitely more busy now with a hit TV show to boot. I’d be surprised if we ever see the seventh book.
Are you trying to depress me?
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
No, just trying to save you the grief that serious fans of fantasy fiction have had to deal with.
I do the same when I hear people mention they are planning to start reading the books. I tell them to wait until they are finished because they might never be. Jordan delivered proof of what can happen during these epic series. Thank god Sanderson stepped up and Jordan had tons of notes.
by Empty Thoughts on Sep 3, 2011 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions
YES!
Man i cant wait to see this fight!, So pumped
I dont care if people want to boo me or talk trash to me... I cant understand what they are saying anyways. (Jose Aldo)
Am I reading this wrong
Fox is only airing one fight?
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One guaranteed
But they can fill air with prelims if necessary, and I think they for sure show at least one quick finish.
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
I love this fight as a fan
But I think giving it away hurts their PPV model in the future. People are going to hesitate to pay for fights when you can get something like this for free.
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
Gonna be tough to fill the void of UFC 139.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 2, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope just add Henderson vs Guida to the main card and let the main event be either Overeem vs mir or Rua vs Hendo
that would be sweet. But Cain has that whole Mexican thing going on
by Our Bovine Public on Sep 2, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Because the only way to get people to watch a fight in San Jose is if there’s a Mexican on the card?
"My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world."
- Jack Layton
by Worldisart on Sep 2, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you think that's the make or break
Than it’s a good thing you’re not a fight promoter.
This booking is a matter of short term pain for long term gain.
"My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world."
- Jack Layton
didnt say it was make or break but you can’t deny having Cain fight in San Diego would draw a big crowd
by Our Bovine Public on Sep 2, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Perfect opportunity to make Guida v. Bendo a 5-rounder
Seriously, it’s a good fight to make. But it may not have the drawing power
I think Rua vs. Henderson makes more sense to draw eyes.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 2, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No kidding
I had planned on flying out and taking this in for my 30th with some friends in the area. Glad I didn’t book the flight.
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
What a stupid question
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
not really. more of a stupid thing to do is to assume you’ll get into the door of an event across the country.
Only a person on a message board would start this sort of conversation
I DIDN’T BUY EITHER. One does not preclude the other when neither exists.
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
You made it seem like you were about to book it
And then this announcement was made.
Anderson Silva is, and forever will be the greatest of all time.
Where can I buy my Cerrone cowboy hat?
Possibly
They allege they’ll be making PPV level money on this network deal, so as long as they remain viable, I’m comfortable with that.
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
Yeah I can’t wait to bitch about all “these punk kids who don’t know what it’s like to have to pay 50$ to watch some fights.” it’s weird to think about not having to pay.
by RoB_ex on Sep 2, 2011 4:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not today, my friend
It’s a five round heavyweight title fight. Say Brock vs Overeem is a title fight down the road. There are some who will scoff at the $55 price tag, having seen a network TV heavyweight title fight in the past— whether it is a conscious or subconscious effect.
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
not the people who would pay for Brock lesnar. There are also going to be people who get exposed to the UFC and turn into PPV buyers in the future.
It is going to be a delicate balancing act to maintain free and PPV cards, but time has shown that the stars, not the belts really move the needle. People are still going to pay to see Brock. The card on Fox can cause people to want to pay to see Cain and/or JDS.
It’s hard to tell what is going to happen exactly because the last attempts on network TV weren’t done as well and the companies never got around to the make money on PPV part of the story.
Yes, even for some of those people
The way your mind absorbs these terms and places varying values on the product is difficult to control, and I assure you this does Zuffa no favors. The more people realize they can get for free, the less they’re willing to pay for a commensurate product. It’s a basic stand of consumer products and services, and one which is being directly broached with this network contract. I know for certain this will effect what people feel they can and should pay money for. The key is convincing them that there is some unique value in the PPV cards that cannot be found elsewhere, beyond the mere face-value of “these guys are fighting on PPV, not on TV right now”. That won’t be enough if they want to keep pace with previous years, or move onward with the PPV model. Their willingness to sign this deal may even be an indication that they see the PPV model trending down, and securing television deals domestically and internationally could lead to a transitional effect which sees money come in from TV contracts and higher in-ring ad revenue related to increased exposure. It’ll be interesting to see how this effects these things, as well as what they have in mind for 2012 and beyond. I think it’s very possible they scale down the number of PPVs they do in the future, at the very least.
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
I can only hope.
PPV fucking sucks… I already pay for TV, why should I pay ON TOP OF THAT? That shit is one of the many reasons why boxing has lost so much steam.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 2, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
PPV as a model will die eventually
It’s really a matter of when. Media flies through the internet at lightspeed— they can’t keep a lid on it for long. Television, film and music companies need to radically change how they charge for and present their offerings to keep from getting trampled by piracy and new expectations founded by upstarts like Netflix and Spotify. They lose money when they’re retroactive, and it’s nigh time for PPV to meet the same fate. Part of me feels that Zuffa is wise to this and shifting away from it. If they aren’t, putting on a fight like this is speeding up the hands of time, to spite themselves.
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
Agreed,
a deal with Fox clearly shows that they’re looking for more advertising dollars. The first step is to take all mediocre PPV cards and put them on network TV, and sell the Mega cards on PPV. And eventually, you just do away with PPV altogether.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Sep 2, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
At the very least, I would have liked to see two fights guaranteed on FOX. However, this fight is just such a great fight and makes a lot of sense. I’m hoping that the prelims will be on Facebook or hopefully on tv like FX or FUEL. It also makes me wonder how many fights will be on this card knowing that only Velasquez vs dos Santos will be guaranteed on FOX. If this fight ends in the first or second round, there’s going to have a lot of time to fill.
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Is anyone else kinda deflated? I was expecting something bigger then moving the main event from another card to the Fox one. Cain and JDS don’t really have any mainstream appeal.
Aren’t you still going to pay 50 bucks for UFC 139? I assume they’re going to replace it with something. Faber vs Bowles isn’t going to carry that card.
depends
If someone else gets on the card then maybe (Mir vs Reem/ Shogun vs Hendo)
UFC 139
•Brian Bowles vs. Urijah Faber
•Martin Kampmann vs. Rick Story
•Josh Koscheck vs. TBA*•Ryan Bader vs. Jason Brilz
•Rafael dos Anjos vs. Gleison Tibau
•Stephan Bonnar vs. Kyle Kingsbury
•Tom Lawlor vs. Chris Weidman
Yeah I wonder if all these people who are thrilled about this will be thrilled if we get stuck with UFC 139: Faber vs Bowles.
Looking at the card
It just needs one more big fight maybe even Bendo vs Guida as the Co- Main then it’ll be a decent
They need a headline fight. I think they have to book Overeem or Hendo or someone of that magnitude to make up for it.
Was there any outcome that wouldn't have disapointed you?
by bigstupidsmile on Sep 2, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Something involving Henderson or Overeem. I don’t know why everyone is getting on my case. I just said I was a little deflated because I was expecting a brand new fight to get made. Its going to be awesome watching this fight on free network tv, don’t get me wrong.
All I was saying was that I don’t it to come at the expense of UFC 139, because Faber vs Bowles is a underwhelming main event. I’m sure they will replace it with something so its all good. I’m not sure what everyone’s problem is. Are some people super stoked about Faber vs Bowles carrying the card or something? Its all good everyone, relax.
So the only outcome that would have made you happy...
Is a fight involving a fighter not currently on the UFC roster?
"My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world."
- Jack Layton
Zuffa roster…with two fighters who are pretty well known to be in negotiations with the UFC. Its only a matter of time before they are signed. A now it looks like they’ll need one of them to headline UFC 139.
I don’t think I was asking for the moon exactly. And I didn’t say it was the only outcome. Just the one I was expecting. This is way better then Tito Ortiz vs Rich Franklin.
Both are free agents
They have no contract with Zuffa.
"My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world."
- Jack Layton
Both are in negotiations with Zuffa and almost everyone expects them to sign with UFC. Aren’t we splitting hairs?
No we're not
I don’t expect the UFC to insert fighters into their matchmaking until they are under contract, which at this point neither fighter is.
"My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world."
- Jack Layton
I kind of doubt that Faber vs Bowles will be the main event. Faber is coming off a loss, and Bowles is largely unknown. There’s also still a good amount of time to create a new main event. Let’s stop with this idea that Faber vs Bowles will be the main event of UFC 139.
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At first I read:
Josh Koscheck vs. Ryan Bader vs. Jason Brilz.
You can’t get me excited like that man.
"Rather than love, than money, than faith, than fame, than fairness... give me truth."
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1968-1992
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT MAINSTREAM APPEAL
CAIN VS. JDS FOR FREE? People will never be satisfied
Anderson Silva is, and forever will be the greatest of all time.
Where can I buy my Cerrone cowboy hat?
by halitosis on Sep 2, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
A HW title fight has no mainstream appeal?
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 2, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I don’t think it’s about having immediate mainstream appeal as both Velasquez and dos Santos are not known ratings or PPV draws. It’s about getting the Heavyweight Title and the champion to the public. It’s also the first time that UFC will be on FOX, so it makes sense to put a Heavyweight Title fight out there.
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Well, you aren't an investor in Zuffa
So what’s the problem? This is about the best fight around right now.
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
I would have rather seen this stay on the 139 card and had something like Henderson vs Machida/Rua. I was just expecting a new fight, not rescheduling one already booked.
People will never be satisfied
This is the best possible fight for this card, IMO
Anderson Silva is, and forever will be the greatest of all time.
Where can I buy my Cerrone cowboy hat?
by halitosis on Sep 2, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Sep 2, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Ned in front of the brothel I believe.
"I don't give a flying f**k who you think I look like"
I mean really what else would be better than this?
#DebbieDowner
by Myke2525 on Sep 2, 2011 2:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A fellow /sp/artan?
My prescription is for 'medicinal purposes' only
by 209dealer on Sep 2, 2011 1:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Frick yes. I love you Dana, for letting me see Cains execution free.
"Rather than love, than money, than faith, than fame, than fairness... give me truth."
Chris McCandless A.K.A. Alexander Supertramp
1968-1992
I agree, we will see it;)
"Rather than love, than money, than faith, than fame, than fairness... give me truth."
Chris McCandless A.K.A. Alexander Supertramp
1968-1992
I agree that he'll lose
But do you hate him or something? You sound a little satisfied at this prospect.
Anderson Silva is, and forever will be the greatest of all time.
Where can I buy my Cerrone cowboy hat?
Awesome
Not many analysts were expecting this one. I can’t complain. It kind of does make sense.. hell, maybe they’ll stick that Mir vs Overeem fight in as a headliner on the PPV. Either way this is building for a future HW fight with JDS or Cain as the champion, with hopefully better numbers than what they would have done now. Pretty cool if you ask me.
I can dig it
It does mean another title free ppv though but whatever… dos santos free = win
Boooo
I was really looking forward to going to see this fight
it would be better if .... brittany palmer and Natasha Wicks will return as Ring Girls
And they will be wearing slutty school girl uniforms insteads standard UFC attire.
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 3, 2011 5:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh and if this fight is as good as it can be
with a finish to boot… Zuffa just created a MEGA star for their PPV’s.
Dos Santos… perfect that english!
by dbcb on Sep 2, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
HELL YES!
JDS vs. Cain,it just doesn’t get any better than this, i’m speechless, i knew Dana would go big….JDS,1st round TKO…..
I just hope Cain is really 100%
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Sep 2, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I doubt it
The guy just started training like 2 months ago while Junior has been whuppin on people for the past year.
Cain’s average chin will be his downfall here.
JDS by TKO
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
And coming back from such a serious injury on top of a 12 month break
I have serious doubts about Cain being able to perform at max potential in this fight.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
I’d say what I said about Evans when people claimed injury and ring rust would take it’s due. I don’t really need to though because Rashad already did.
by Empty Thoughts on Sep 3, 2011 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Rashad had a very minor injury
relative to a 90% rotator cuff tear tho.
:p - orcus
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This is awesome
But I kind of don’t know where they go from here with this. I mean, who does the winner fight next? What happens to all that momentum?
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I have been thinking along similar lines.
A year ago, the HW division was going through a renaissance of sorts with regard to emergent talent. In this short of time, almost all the intriguing match-ups have been exhausted due to prior fights and Brock’s uncertain future.
This division, more than any other, needs an infusion of SF talent. Barnett, BigFoot, Werdum and Overeem would instantly reinvigorate the division.
by Disco-Platypus on Sep 2, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
winner of the SF grand prix?
sure, no one left has the “it” factor, but you might be able to sell it.
or overeem vs mir for the next title shot makes the most sense.
Unless they bring Overeem into the UFC, or the Strikeforce Grand Prix winner, I would guess the winner of Frank Mir vs Nogueira/someone else.
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Yeah
I mean, Overeem. But he’s not going to get an immediate title shot considering UFC fans don’t even know who he is. So we’re looking at having the winner of JDS/Cain beat up Mir. But if Junior and Nog both with then we still have absolutely nothing.
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You mean I'm going to have to cheer for Mir? :(
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There is the possibility of Mir vs Overeem.
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Which is great
I’m just saying, there’s a chance this Fox fight turns somebody into a star, and then that guy is going to have to go hold his hat somewhere for a bit.
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Ok, now put that fight somehow on Brazilian free TV
And the UFC has another superstar in Brazil after Junior knocks Cain out.
Be careful, my opponents - Junior "Cigano" dos Santos
Amazing news!
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by Chad Raynard on Sep 2, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
There is no co-main
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
better than mein kampf
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by merryprankster on Sep 2, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
While it's awesome to get a HW title fight on free TV
It seems that the UFC is going to have a tough time balancing their programming between free and pay TV. I imagine that they’ll eventually transition off of pay TV completely, but that assumes a network contract will be an even more profitable enterprise than PPV sales. In the medium term, I think the UFC is going to have to cut PPV prices if they’re going to be putting on programming that is inferior to free TV.
A BE or Bad Left Hook boxing expert should write up a FanPost analyzing how boxing balanced programming between free TV and pay TV. It’s my impression that they never really coexisted; boxing just moved over exclusively to pay TV. Of course, boxing has never had a league organization, so it was rational for individual promoters to maximize their revenue through PPV and premium cable. Perhaps it will be different for the UFC.
Isn't FOX targetted towards a more conservative audience?
Or it that just FOX news?
Probably won’t (and shouldn’t be) an issue at all. But in terms of drawing in “casual” fans, I wonder how a guy with “Brown Pride” tattooed on his chest would be received by a mass audience.
I love Cain and this shouldn’t be an issue, just wanted to throw it out there to see what people think.
Well, if that's true
People will love JDS more after he finishes kicking Cain’s ass. =D
Be careful, my opponents - Junior "Cigano" dos Santos
Cain needs any attention he can get
so let the FOX audience grumble about this tattoo, it’ll only help build him into a star.
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Just Fox News
But coincidentally Cain Velasquez is mexican descent which is a strong target that the conservatives aim for…….except Arizona as of lately.
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The event is also in Southern California
Last time Cain fought was in Los Angeles I believe, and there was a HUGE Mexican-American presence there in the audience, waving Mexican flags, etc. I am sure that will be the atmosphere in Anaheim.
i just wonder what the new fan tuning into UFC or MMA for the first time will think if they see that.
Isn’t FOX targetted towards a more conservative audience?
Or it that just FOX news?
You’re thinking FOX news. Fox’s sports division is anything but conservative (light up hockey pucks, dancing football robots, etc.)
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
they can just tell everyone that it says...
“Bronx Pride.” That’s what I thought it was for the first year or so…
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we get a good old USA! USA! chant going for Cain?
It would blow peoples’ minds.
I don't know, but the guy quotes himself in his own signature - CaptnAmerca
NOOOOOOOO
I wanted Tito vs. Franklin. THIS FIGHT FUCKING SUCKS I HATE YOU DANA WHITE
Anderson Silva is, and forever will be the greatest of all time.
Where can I buy my Cerrone cowboy hat?
by halitosis on Sep 2, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
WTF
Who are they getting to headline San Jose now? Jon Fitch and Koscheck? Gag me with a spoon. Not going.
You wouldn’t go to see Reem vs. Mir or Carwin? I think you would…
"I think he doesn't accept punches very well. I don't know why." - JDS speaking of Brock Lesnar
When you put it like that.
Ok, maybe I would go.
You mean I got this spoon for nothing?
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
This fight makes the most sense
For most people the best fighter and the title that means the most is the heavyweight title in any combat sport especially in the USA. The winner of this fight will become the face of the UFC. The heavyweight title will end up meaning the most to the casual fan. They are basically trying to build a star for the casual fan
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 1:51 PM EDT reply actions
The biggest stars in boxing are welterweights dude.
by discoandherpes on Sep 2, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah in recent history
but for the vast majority of Boxing history the heavyweight champ was the face of boxing the baddest man on the planet and the most popular
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I’ve only started following the sport a couple of years back, so I’m not necessarily a fountain of knowledge when it comes to the history of the sport.
by discoandherpes on Sep 2, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me make a list
Tyson
Foreman
Ali
Frazier
Linston
Marciano
Joe Louis
Norton
Holmes
Spinks
Lewis
Holyfield
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
De La Hoya
Mayweather Jr.
Ward
Pac-man
Mosley
Marquez….
Most of those are lightweights-welterweights.
I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.
My point was
In the history of boxing the most popular fighters for the vast majority of the time has been Heavywieghts
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 3, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
His list is significantly longer than your
:p - orcus
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But seriously, some of those listed were not huge stars. For ex. Lewis who always had trouble getting acceptance from the American crowd. Holyfield’s popularity was based of his first Tyson win. Liston Norton and Spinks never reached the popularity Tyson, Pacquiao, or De La Hoya did.
I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.
Even if you envisioned the UFC on cable and network TV
Pre-TUF, did you ever think that in 2011 on Oct. 1st and Nov you would get live title fights on a sports channel and FOX?
This is awesome.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Wasn't CBS airing title fights
like 3 years ago?
What part of "UFC" did you not get?
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Nobody can use that condescending tone against SSreporters
NOBODY
Anderson Silva is, and forever will be the greatest of all time.
Where can I buy my Cerrone cowboy hat?
It's all good
CBS had EliteXC and Strikeforce but this is the UFC!!!!!!
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
This is great.
I thought the UFC would want to step up the production and presentation of their product with this show. I originally thought they’d have two fights with a good chance of being finishes, so they could spend an equal amount of time showing off the new studio and new bits as they did showing MMA fighting.
Not only have they ensured that they’ll be able to do that by keeping it to just one fight, but they make it a title fight. And not only do they make it a title fight, but they make it a title fight in the Cadillac of divisions.
This is a home run, whether people are far-sighted enough to see it or not. Look for Overeem in a number one contenders match to be announced shortly and promoted huge during the FOX show:
“Tonight, Cain Velasquez takes on Junior Dos Santos for the UFC Heavyweight championship. Next week, tune into UFC 139 as the Demolition man Alistair Overeem makes his UFC debut in a number one contenders match for the chance to take on the winner.”
by Luke Nelson on Sep 2, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
My daughter's due date is Nov 12.
Guess we’ll just have to induce on the 11th.
by skeebop on Sep 2, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 22 recs
This man.
He’s a true fan.
"Rather than love, than money, than faith, than fame, than fairness... give me truth."
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1968-1992
I've already picked out her first outfit
by skeebop on Sep 2, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
just name her for the fight.
Velasquez Dos Santos Skeebop.
I’m sure your wife will love it.
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by some schmuck in texas on Sep 2, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
that's ridiculous
that’s not a girls name….
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay Velasquezina Dos Santa Skiddles.
I've got something to say; it better to burn out than to fade away!!!
Is it really funny Mayhem, please tell me its funny.
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was that so hard?
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You win
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
Congrats.
Little humans are so much fun.
No sleep.
But so much fun.
Learn JiuJitsu.
Always looking for that new danger.
It’s not so bad. You truthfully get used to it despite what tv / movies try to say. I’ve been going on about 5 hours a day split into two shifts for three years now. Another year and I’ll be back to 8 unless we have another between now and then. lol
by Empty Thoughts on Sep 3, 2011 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
One of my best friends always gives me shit for wanting a full night’s sleept since he has 3 kids.
:p - orcus
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I see some reasons for pulling this fight from PPV to this free card
1) The general population loves seeing the big boys go at it.
2) It’s Cain’s first title defense and hasn’t had the opportunity to prove he is a PPV draw.
Either way this is gonna bring a lot of eyes to the UFC and hopefully turn one of these guys into huge PPV draws down the road.
Random question
Does anyone know if they are still going to do nontitle main events 5 rounds?
It seems like they said they were going to after ufc 129 then it got forgot about.
Andre's Posse
They will start at UFC 138
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So let's talk about the fight
Will JDS KO him with the left hand, right hand, knees, or all of the above?
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Left hand.
3:46 round 1.
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1968-1992
Right kick
After Goldie warned the whole fight to watch out for Junior’s uppercut.
Be careful, my opponents - Junior "Cigano" dos Santos
left hook will start it off , finish by hammerfists on the ground. i’m guessing 3rd round.
I just dont thnk anyone can hold JDS down. maybe barnett
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by Hardy's in your face on Sep 2, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It could be a really intresting match
I really think Cain will be on top for sometime and his wrestling and top control will be to much for JDS to handle
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
I agree with you but it seems everyone thinks JDS is just going to kill Cain. I really do not understand where they get that impression
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think people are worried about Cain's health
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I understand that
But Cain just beat the living crap out of Lesner and i know JDS is a totally different kind of fighter but the way Cain beat Lesner it truly shocked me and made me believe that he is going to be on top for sometime
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
I mean, yeah he beat the snot out of him. But Carwin beat the snot out of him for a round the fight before.
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I see what you
are saying but Carwin did not finish the fight and Brock won the fight in the second showing how tuff he really is. Took all of what Carwin had and still came back to win the fight. Cain took him out in one round that is what impressed me the most.
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea he broke Lesnar
Once Lesnar realized he couldn’t keep Cain down, and then Cain took him down, it was over for Lesnar.
Pretty much
He took down Lesner did anyone think that could happen and beat him down. Did anyone think that Cain would beat Lesner so easily?. I did not and vast majority of the “experts” did not either. It was truly epic peformance and i think he will show it again fighting JDS
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Cain is better than Carwin
But the ref could have easily stopped the Carwin fight if he had wanted to.
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I don't get the "Carwin fight proved how tough Brock is" meme....
so we’re applauding guys for not quitting now? To quote Chris Rock: “…it’s what you’re supposed to do!”
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Brock
Took power shot after power shot by the man that many consider to have the hardest punches in the UFC and survived and won the fight. Name some fighters that could take that and not only survive but win the match
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
he didn't get knocked out
how did he have any control over that? He still allowed himself to get lit up and turtled up at multiple points. Its like the difference between submission defense and survivability- if you constantly end up in submissions, but make it out, your sub defense is horrible.
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If you get out all the time
and do not lose or do not get knocked out and still win the match or the vast majority of your matches it really does not matter. Name of the game you have to win and it really should not matter how you get to the W as long as you do not cheat
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure Big Nog has made a career out of getting the crap kicked out of him, only to storm back to win in epic fashion. Survivability is a very important component of MMA and Brock showed that he at least possesses some modicum of it in the Carwin fight. Versus Cain, not so much.
great comparison
Big Nog=Brock. If you don’t see a difference between their career trajectories, or even their in-fight trajectories, then this convo is a non-starter.
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree and disagree with you at the same time
While it is what fighters are supposed to do there was great doubt about Brock’s “toughness” since he was so new to the sport. He proved that he could hang on, at the very least, and that’s what good fighters do when they are being overwhelmed. He could have tapped to strikes like some other fighters we know and love but he didn’t. So I can see both points of view here. It is what he’s supposed to do but at the same time I can’t think of many other fighters that were so young into their MMA career, while fighting a top ranked monster, that would stick with it like that.
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
Point
proven. I really do not understand what the argument his hear yes he survived and won the freaking match that is all that matter. Now you get style point for a W like 2 points if you make it look pretty and only 1 point if its ugly. You win you win does not matter how you win. Big Nog is a great example
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
here's why Big Nog doesn't work as a comparison:
His goal was to get the other guy to ground, especially in his guard. He was willing to sacrifice position and damage for the opportunity to get the fight into his clearest avenue to victory. It was part of his plan. At no point did Team Deathclutch advise Brock to work off of his back or allow Carwin to beat his head until he got gassed out. That was a result of failure on Brock’s part. When Nog was on his back- that was his goal. When Brock was on his back- that was his worst nightmare and obviously something that he had never trained for.
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Example
Herring Vs Nog ufc 73 not planed but with his toughness and heart was able to over come being rocked to win the fight
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Example 2
the fight with Bob Sapp pure heart and warrior spirit
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
there were 2 schools of thought after the Carwin fight...
1) that Brock showed incredible toughness in getting through that first round and coming back to win
2) That Brock made it out of the first on account of factors out of his control; most notably an observant ref and Carwin’s poor shot selection and resulting gas out.
I strongly prescribed to point 2 and this was supported by what happened in the next fight- when Brock was again unable to avoid the same position against a more adept fighter and he couldn’t get out of that round.
I respect the other side, I just don’t agree with it. Do I think that Brock could have easily gotten himself out of there? Yes. But I choose to criticize the Valentijn Overeem’s of the world instead of laud Brock’s performance that night.
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Point 2 as well
But I also agree that he could have folded like a cheap tent in a hurricane while in that situation. I also think that’s what most people expected in the lead up to the fight if it went in that direction. Actually, I remember people making those exact statements. He did the smart thing. He made a guy that was notorious for gassing himself out blow his wad and held on and came back for the win. Not saying it was planned but he held his composure where some more experienced fighters would have, and have in the past, lost it. GSP vs. Serra 1 for example.
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
It's not one or the other though
It was a combination of both.
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
I understand
what you are saying but at the end of the day fighting is not a fashion show it does not matter how pretty you look winning as long as you win. Yet again Big Nog
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And the difference between the Cain fight and the Carwin fight is obvioius
Cain has cardio and picked his shots judiciously. Carwin just threw punch after punch not caring if it was hitting arms or air or face. And he admitted that was the wrong thing to do.
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
Cain has cardio and picked his shots judiciously. Carwin just threw punch after punch not caring if it was hitting arms or air or face. And he admitted that was the wrong thing to do.
Exactly! All of that is out of Brock’s control…
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
What is this out of control
you are talking about. Cain was the better man that night yes no arguing that. Is Cain going to be the better man every night no. If they have a rematch anything can happen.
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I disagree there
I think Cain would beat Brock every time out under normal circumstances.
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
I think
That Brock can beat anyone on any given night. He is not perfect and will win and lose but i think Brock has a good chance if a rematch ever happens
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I just think that Cain's a terrible matchup for Brock.
and if Kongo couldn’t KO Cain, I don’t see Lesnar doing it.
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
My personal opnion
Brock had no trouble taking Cain down at first in that fight, As soon as he went for side control Cain just popped right back up and after a few shots then Brock had a hard time taking him down. If i was Brock my game plan would be take him down do not bother trying to change postions stay in his guard and do what Tito made famous smashing people in there guard. For me that is what Brock has to do to win a rematch. Not fancy just grind it out
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember it differently
I thought that Brock had a lot of trouble taking him down- and he didn’t try to go to side control- he took him down in half, and Cain immediately got up. Whatever- semantics- I just don’t think that Brock would be able to take him down or keep him down consistently- and I don’t see Brock finishing him, so he’d have to ride out a decision, something that I think would be almost impossible vs. Cain.
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
either way
I would love to see that match again and it should be exciting just like the first and lets hope it can happen. By the way how is your fav fighter
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
no he doesnt.
Brock is screwed against anyone with scrabbling ability and heavy hands.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 3, 2011 5:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I also think
People forget about Brock’s power one unblocked punch from the ground and pound postion and its lights out for most
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
you don't think that based on their fight...
Cain would win 9/10 times? And I mention things in his control because that’s what we judge- you can’t give someone credit for something they don’t control.
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He did the smart thing. He made a guy that was notorious for gassing himself out blow his wad and held on and came back for the win.
C’mon- there was nothing smart about what Brock did. Actually- I’ll give him credit for listening to the ref and doing enough to prove that he was still there-that was good. But his defense on the ground, efforts to get back up, attempts to improve position- were nonexistent. And Carwin wasn’t notorious for gassing at that point- he had never been out of the 1st, so his cardio was an unknown, but the gassing stigma came out of that fight, btw- I think that it was an unfair stigma as any HW would gas after going balls out for 3 minutes. Shit- Gray Maynard gassed after doing the same at 55.
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
So it was out of his control and not smart to defend with his arms against an erratcic puncher?
Makes no sense to me whatsoever. You are one of my go to posters but I disagree.
You have a point, he wasn’t notorious for gassing but it was speculated heavily that he couldn’t go past the first round without gassing and that’s what happened.
I agree that most fighters period would gas out after 3 minutes of balls to the wall action but that’s what makes Carwin’s plan stupid and what made Brock “toughing” it out a good thing. Like I said, he could have easily tapped like GSP but he didn’t.
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
he tried to use the same defense...
against someone who picked his shots better and it didn’t work. We’ll just have to agree to disagree- I usually agree with you too, but difference is what makes the world go round. Good debate guys
/touches gloves
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I defintely understand what you are saying
It’s no biggie. I mean, Frankie showed flaws against Gray but showed great strengths as well and vice versa.
/bows in respect Silva style.
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
/bows in respect Silva style
Do you mean like pre-fight bow, or his getting on his knees at the feet of the man he just destroyed? Because the latter makes me feel awkward :)
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
prefight
that post fight thing is ridiculous and I’m a huge Silva fan.
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
seriously
It really makes me feel strange watching that shit.
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
glad I'm not the only one
:p - orcus
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fetal posistion is not the best way to avoid being clobbered on the ground.
It’s a horrible way.
There is this thing called “guard”. it works pretty well I hear.
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 3, 2011 5:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Out of his control
why do you think the fight was not stopped. Brock blocking punches keeping his hands up and pushing Carwin with his legs when he had a chance. Staying in the fight when lesser men would of tapped or given up. Brock saved himself by keeping himself in that fight
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I give him credit...
for being active when Rosenthal was talking to him- it takes a lot of wherewithal to keep your wits about you in that situation. Please understand- I’m not saying that Brock isn’t tough- he’s supremely tough, I’m just saying that he did what he was supposed to do. You can applaud that all you want, but that fight showed me his flaws, not his strengths.
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You are right
As I said I agree and disagree with you but it showed me his strengths AND his flaws. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. I mean, almost every fight shows a fighters strengths and flaws.
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
I understand what you are saying
and yeah it makes sense but i think at this point we are talking about two differnt kind of things lol. I am new to this website so i hope to have some more conversations with you in the future
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
of course
good debate- the great thing about this place is that we can get into heated discussions without flipping out and going all Sherdog over each other. Welcome- I look forward to chatting again.
/touches gloves
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
This was heated?
Man, I must be used to a lot of shit in my life. haha. Time to go mow the damn yard.
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
naw- I wouldn't say this was heated
just speaking generally about the site. I’ve gone to war with some dudes (especially memitim) and then have been on the same side of an argument in the next post.
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"I’m ready. It doesn’t matter with who or where. On foot or on horseback. With maces or poleaxes. To fight. To first blood or to death. It doesn’t matter, I’m ready to fight. I went hunting. For bears. With a knife. " - Aleksander Emelianenko
by John Danaher's Hair on Sep 2, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah i tried
One other site and man most of them suck. Just people calling each other names and trying to act all macho and shit. At least on this one it stays MMA foucsed
by Mark Colemans Takedown coach on Sep 2, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Without the lay off Cain would be the smart man's choice.
But that shoulder injury really has people concerned.
by Urijah Bieber on Sep 2, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Long layoff? JDS is the more powerful puncher? He's never shown wrestling deficiencies?
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Yea, watching him throwing Carwin around like a ragdoll
was pretty fucking crazy.
As Rogan would say, “JDS is a spooky spooky dude”
I'm thinking the Cain/Kongo fight is coloring people's impressions.
The thinking must be Cain gets clipped by Dos Santos, it’s over. I think people are underestimating his resilience. Plus the long lay off from the shoulder surgery, which is no joke.
IMO, that fight is pretty irrelevant
Cain’s standup has improved by leaps and bounds since then.
I always say it when this comes up
he started turning his hips, and started turning out people’s lights.
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by some schmuck in texas on Sep 2, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
All of the above
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Sep 2, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are people bitching?
Free fight
Free HEAVYWEIGHT fight
And all I’m hearing about is how the card is screwed and that it’s gonna be a bunch of randohs on UFN.
Do you appreciate the sport of MMA? Or are you a fanboy that can only look at things that have a recognizable name. There’s some high quality fights out there that don’t have Bernard Hopkins in there. Star Wars was heavily criticized and it’s one of the top movies of all time (Then George Lucas got money).
This is ONE, HIGH QUALITY FIGHT used to introduce the mainstream to the sport of Mixed Martial Arts. They probably won’t read blogs like us, or watch pre-lims like us but business wise it’s going to help them in the long run.
And it’s a FREE HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE FIGHT.
Me > Ben Henderson
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by Krimson on Sep 2, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
For one, some dolt a few scrolls up
Anderson Silva is, and forever will be the greatest of all time.
Where can I buy my Cerrone cowboy hat?
I also love the whole student avenges his master theme
JDS loves Big Nog, I am sure Cain’s KO over him is first and foremost on JDS’s mind.
Yes, I’m sure that’s more important than the Heavyweight Championship of the world.
by The so-called Beautiful on Sep 2, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
If they weren’t draws then, they should be after. I really hope Cain wins (it would be the better scenario for UFC IMO) but its gonna be tough with the rust and coming off the injury.
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by xFenixKnightx on Sep 2, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Cain will be a star
when he TKO’s JDS on FOX. I can’t wait.
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by Chad Raynard on Sep 2, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
you’re a dreamer
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Sep 2, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If the UFC wants to avoid an absolute disaster of a PPV at 139
Do Shogun vs. Hendo there as main event.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Shogun's camp said he wouldnt be ready for november
Dont think a week will change that.
Anderson in that spot maybe?
I fucking hate free fights.
This sucks.
Retaliation is related to nature and instinct, not to law. Law, by definition, cannot obey the same rules as nature. - Albert Camus
by Jonathan. on Sep 2, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Yep. You know what else sucks? Puppies.
I don't know, but the guy quotes himself in his own signature - CaptnAmerca
They should all be kicked.
Retaliation is related to nature and instinct, not to law. Law, by definition, cannot obey the same rules as nature. - Albert Camus
Sunshine
Fuck sunshine
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Fuck candy, too.
Especially jellybeans.
Retaliation is related to nature and instinct, not to law. Law, by definition, cannot obey the same rules as nature. - Albert Camus
And comfortable footwear. That sucks too.
I don't know, but the guy quotes himself in his own signature - CaptnAmerca
The laughter of children
how I hate it.
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by some schmuck in texas on Sep 2, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats why I don’t have nice things
Me > Ben Henderson
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by Krimson on Sep 2, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck Rainbows
Amirite?
Anderson Silva is, and forever will be the greatest of all time.
Where can I buy my Cerrone cowboy hat?
They are shitting on it because everyone does the opposite of Snowden
Duh
Retaliation is related to nature and instinct, not to law. Law, by definition, cannot obey the same rules as nature. - Albert Camus
by Jonathan. on Sep 2, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
JDS is going to wreck Cain. Its going to be awesome!
by Tats16 on Sep 2, 2011 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
Well she doesn’t say that, but you get my point.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Sep 2, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
She is not “sexy” in the traditional sense, and I think that’s what makes her attractive to me.
I am ashamed for the things I would eat out of her bum, just in themselves. Like, Fear Factor level shit.
by Disco-Platypus on Sep 2, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re a sick man.
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Sep 2, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Brandi from that show Storage Wars. She’s married to some guy on that show, they work as a team. She’s pretty damn hot to me, my gf thinks differently though haha.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Sep 2, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
...
:/
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Sep 2, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
WTH!?
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Sep 2, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that blue muppet is the next HW #1 contender
http://fightdrinker.blogspot.com
by some schmuck in texas on Sep 2, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF IS THIS
It is so damn awesome
Anderson Silva is, and forever will be the greatest of all time.
Where can I buy my Cerrone cowboy hat?
by halitosis on Sep 2, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is going to be an amazing fight.
Great way to start up on FOX. I’m so hyped for this fight.
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
IS this really a good idea ? Cain just coming off major surgury might not be himself. You don’t want a poor outing by your HW champ for the first fight on national team. And I know I will catch flack for this but I don’t care, is it really wise to have Brown Pride showing all over national TV ? Should of booked Silva/Sonnen on national TV. Would of been huge.
by BrockLesnar Budlight on Sep 2, 2011 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
The beautiful thing about it being a title match
is that if you get a poor showing out of your HW champ, then, TADA! New heavyweight champ.
by Trysdor on Sep 2, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if it will be pre-recorded so that they can properly air the time slot, give Dana White a chance to yell at Joe Rogan for 25 minutes, an introduction into MMA for casuals, etc.
So that if the JDS vs Cain fight only lasts 4 minutes, they won’t be sitting around talking about nothing for an extra 26 or so minutes.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
That is preposterous
There is no way they will pre-record the main event.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Don't worry, they will show other fights..
Cain will be lucky to get out of the first. JDS has incredibly fast hands, with power,and decent take down defense. In keeping with UFC tradition, we will have a new champion.
JDS Has something up his sleeve for Cain
It's just a world, it's just a life.
by DirtyML on Sep 2, 2011 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
We say the same thing about NFL linebackers who are even heavier than JDS.
Though I’d imagine (hope) JDS uses significantly fewer PED’s.
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by woomikee on Sep 2, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I was thinking that almost verbatim.
Anyone ever see Patrick Willis run around?
Learn JiuJitsu.
Always looking for that new danger.
Junior is a phenomenal HW athlete.
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 2, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
tough to pull that off while hes on his back
Cains wrestling will be the difference in this one
"Do I really look like a guy with a plan?" -The Joker
I wonder how much his shoulder surgery will affect his takedowns or his striking for that matter.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
I wonder the same thing.
You have to think that even if his shoulder is at 80%, it will significantly impede his abiliity to finish a single, throw punches from different angles, and pummel effectively in the clinch.
I hope Velasquez’ surgery & rehab went off without a hitch, because he’s awesome and I think JDS/ Velasquez has the potential to be an epic rivalry… the Ali v. Frazier of our generation and sport.
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 2, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, JDS hasn't come close to being on his back
And he’s fought Gonzaga, Nelson, and Carwin.
Let’s stop this meme now.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
you named one true wrestler
and carwin wanted to bang
next
"Do I really look like a guy with a plan?" -The Joker
carwin had every shot shut down.
Fact.
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 3, 2011 5:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
carwin had every shot shut down.
Fact.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Sep 3, 2011 5:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
after you get peppered from the feet as tremendously as carwin had been peppered
setting up your takedowns becomes a monumental task, and his attempts to shoot were painfully obvious.
"Do I really look like a guy with a plan?" -The Joker
we'll only have to wait a couple months to see how he is off his back.
srsly, I don’t think any of those guys can take down like cain has.
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by some schmuck in texas on Sep 2, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Well....
Cain is coming off a serious shoulder injury. People underestimate how strong JDS is.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Yep
and once JDS pops right back up and even stuff a few of Cains takedowns next we’ll hear “…ok well Cormier is the better mma wrestler, let’s see JDS stuff Cormier’s takedowns!!!”
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Sep 2, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Junior has awesome hips,
and I imagine that unless Cain is even better than he was before, Junior will stuff at least some takedowns, and like you said- will get up often. And although Cain has really developed good striking, Junior is sharper and longer.
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 2, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He's strong and he hits harder than Cain
JDS is the best HW on the planet and he’ll prove it on November 12th.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
I’m seriously envisioning Cain getting blasted, I think JDS currently has the best hands in the hw division outside of Overeem, Sergei looked good against Arlovski, but I haven’t seen enough of Sergei to really gauge his standup. I’m thinking that it’ll either be JDS stuffing Cain’s takedowns or not really spending too much time on his back if he is taken down and blasting Cain, OR Cain easily and frequently puts JDS on his back and gnp him. I’m leaning towards 63/37 for JDS in these two scenarios.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Sep 2, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy shit!
dumb question perhaps, but is this real!?
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Sep 2, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
And it is really great when you hear them laughing about it:
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Sep 2, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It's like when machida one upped anderson
‘throw a crane kick, will you? how about a LEAPING crane kick.’
‘That was an awesome off the fence kick, little feller. Let me try…’
http://fightdrinker.blogspot.com
by some schmuck in texas on Sep 2, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
and gained about 100,000+ viewers for the fox card. I’m sure he’s saddened by the trade.
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Sep 4, 2011 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions
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