UFC 135's Jon Jones Says He Is Acting Like a Champion Now
by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 19, 2011 11:01 AM EDT
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Jon Jones will face what will almost certainly be the stiffest test of his career this Saturday at UFC 135 when he stands across the ring from Quinton Jackson. Not to take anything away from his last win, but Mauricio Rua was coming off a long layoff and did not look 100%, making Rampage the first long-time top guy that Jones will face while in shape and on a "regular schedule." This makes the fight a huge moment in the career of Jones.
Jones' talent has never been the question, he is a remarkably gifted fighter, but there has been some of rumblings behind the scenes about some of Jones' behavior outside the cage. In a recent interview with Sergio Non of USA Today, Jones said that he has changed:
When you say your maturity has changed, what does that mean?
In the past, I would have a few nights where me and the guys would want to go out and hang out for awhile, come home a little late, feel sluggish in the morning. I don't have any of those things any more.
Or eating the things that I shouldn't be eating. Eating past a certain time at night. I stopped doing those type of things.
I've just matured a lot. I've grown a lot, and I noticed it. The way I push myself, and how serious I take game-planning. I just feel better.
I think I'm acting like a champion now instead of someone who wants to be a champion. I just expect more from myself, I guess.
It sounds like this realization that you've had came with winning the belt, like, "Hey, I'm the champ, I need to act differently." Is that a fair characterization?
Not necessarily act differently, but just stop playing games with myself. Stop being a nonsense individual.
One of the other highlights of the discussion is Jones saying that he understands why people have the impression that he lacks power (no straight KOs, just TKOs) and says "Maybe I don't have knockout power. But I do know that I have enough power to break down a human body, and that's what I try to do."
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I'm no Jones fan, but
Sherdog and Wiki say he has 2 KOs.
by sexysassytravismmafan on Sep 19, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions
No knockouts at the elite level,
but the dude definitely has power. He folded Shogun with a left hook to the body, so he definitely has power in his hands. His punching technique is still developing and he will have to tighten that up before the standing KO’s start to roll in. Guys as lanky as Jones just have to learn how to sit down on their punches to get good power into them.
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 19, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Stop being a nonsense individual.
I think I should also stop being a nonsense individual and just become an individual. Yeah.
This is Vee is Animated, and I am a Jon Jones fan.
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Well, a lot of people try to be an individual, but in reality those people would be called a group because they collectively think the same.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
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by IKiIIed007 on Sep 19, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just thought it was an odd phrase.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 19, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Brent,
Not to take anything away from his last win, but Mauricio Rua was coming off a long layoff and did not look 100%, making Rampage the first long-time top guy that Jones will face while in shape and on a “regular schedule.” This makes the fight a huge moment in the career of Jones.
Yeah, you’re pretty much taking something away from Jones’ victory. It’s cool, no shots but that’s the trend. Just a note, I’ve heard Shogun and his manager go out of their way to repeat that Shogun was healthy MONTHS after the fight. Everything you and many other people pointed out are true but . . . Jones! (for lack of a better turn of phrase, word, thought or idea)
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 19, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It’s more that like…he whipped Shogun’s ass. But…even if he was healthy, he was on another long layoff and he has almost ALWAYS looked really awful coming off of layoffs like that. Shogun looked…bad that night. and i don’t think it was all jones
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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 19, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
i would take shogun coming off injury
over 2010 and forward rampage anyday. i believe after this fight is over it will still be shogun that has been his toughest test,and the ease jones will dispatch rampage with should prove that.
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by Sterling Archer on Sep 19, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
the ease jones will dispatch rampage
By “ease” you mean that Jones will put Rampage away within the:
- 1st Round?
- 2nd Round?
- Or Rampage will not answer the bell for the 3rd round?
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 19, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
by ease...
i dont necessarily mean quickness, i just dont think jones will be in any real danger at any point. i tihnk hes going to control the action, dictate the pace and methodically pick page
apart as he did shogun. he was never really in danger, took it slow, and exectued beautifully.
that being said… my guess is 2nd round stoppage, i have a hunch it will be by submission, but ill never rule out hellbow stoppage
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by Sterling Archer on Sep 19, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
control the action = check
dictate the pace = check
methodically pick ’Page apart = check
No argument there, it is kind of sad but so true. Evans said it best, some times he’s like Frankestein. I always find it interesting when a fighter can overcome a huge reach advantage. Rampage has the shortest in the LHW division. I just don’t know how he’s going to be truly competitive or touch Jone long enough to put him in danger.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 19, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
looking forward to the Saturday fights...
when Rampage gets his belt back
by Gisele Federico Navarro Mendez on Sep 19, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
Cool I didnt know we went back in time and this saturday was going to be May 26th, 2007! WOO HOO I CAN MAKE SO MANY DIFFERENT LIFE CHOICES CORRECTIONS NOW!
by Spider_Vemon on Sep 19, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
That devious little “s” how’d it get in there… >.>
by Spider_Vemon on Sep 19, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I just woke up feeling a little optimistic, by lunch I’ll get back to the real world and feel sad about having to watch page getting smashed.
by Gisele Federico Navarro Mendez on Sep 19, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Shit yeah!
I am going to make a shit tons of money in sports betting.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
Jon Jones is quickly becoming my absolute favorite fighter
Can’t wait for him to defend his title
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by Chris Groves on Sep 19, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
can't saint to see this fight
jones is going to get worked by rampage in 5 days.. rampage is taking that belt back
This fight will not be over after Saturday night.
I will continue to be fought on the internet until the end of time.
I don't know, but the guy quotes himself in his own signature - CaptnAmerca
It will.
It will continue to be fought.
I won’t be, unless I declare my hatred for ketchup outloud.
I don't know, but the guy quotes himself in his own signature - CaptnAmerca
by CaptnAmerca on Sep 19, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m flexing right now. It’s very intimidating to you.
I don't know, but the guy quotes himself in his own signature - CaptnAmerca
by CaptnAmerca on Sep 19, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Flexing back at you
and then we mutually handshake and sparkle
by Spider_Vemon on Sep 19, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I guess I'm the guy on the right covered in ketchup?
I don't know, but the guy quotes himself in his own signature - CaptnAmerca
by CaptnAmerca on Sep 19, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Jon Jones is absolutely going to destroy Rampage
and will be holding on to the belt the next three years, until he moves up to heavyweight.
by Bilderman on Sep 19, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Don't stop now...what happens after that?
I don't know, but the guy quotes himself in his own signature - CaptnAmerca
by CaptnAmerca on Sep 19, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
BROCKLESNARRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Spider_Vemon on Sep 19, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
He saves the world from a lethal asteroid collision in 2015
and is proclaimed emperor of all that is good and holy in this world.
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by Chris Groves on Sep 19, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep
And BE posters are going to look back and realize in retrospect what the rest of us figured out long ago:
Jon Jones is a beast.
Come at me, bro.
we know he can fight. he is an amazing fighter.
But hooollllyyy shit is he the anti-cool.
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 19, 2011 12:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
He’s like the Fonz’s arch rival.
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by TheFilt on Sep 19, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
How's taste his pee pee?
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Sep 19, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanna see him fight Machida and Evans first before I proclaim him to be best evah.
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by Zachary Kater on Sep 19, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
“acting like a champion” should not equate to “acting like I’m full of myself all the time”.
I for one really do not like Jones’s attitude change ever since he started training for his championship fight; someone flipped an attitude switch on him and it’s no good.
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by Patrick Tenney on Sep 19, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions
Please go tell this to Floyd Mayweather and see how much he cares.
by Spider_Vemon on Sep 19, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure how this has any bearing on what I said? Floyd is a shit example of how a champion should act too.
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I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? -Areyouforreal
by Patrick Tenney on Sep 19, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampage is fucked.
Jones is going to stompfuck him into retirement. Almost feel bad for that big-mouthed punk.
Come at me, bro.
by IKiIIed007 on Sep 19, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
good interview
“I also think it can be a strategy on his part to try to bait me into proving a point, try to bait me into standing there and going toe-to-toe with him, which is his best chance of winning the fight. I’m not going to be naive and try to say, “Oh, I’ve got punching power and I can prove it,” and go out there and box with one of the best boxers in the sport."
Rampage is in for a long night.
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He’s fucking obsessed with this. I love it.
I’ve tried hating him and I can’t. It doesn’t work.
by crazybones on Sep 19, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Do or do not. There is no try.
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by CaptnAmerca on Sep 19, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never even bothered trying to hate him, there’s no reason. He is obsessed and I can’t wait to see him light Rampage up.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 19, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Just not good ones.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 19, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like either fighter...
But I really hope that Rampage knocks Jones head into the first row.
So you are hoping for a Daleyesque unsportsmanlike assault after the fight ends when Jones is looking the other way?
Real nice, dude.
Come at me, bro.
Acting like a champion means telling those kids to get their own damn belts
There’s so much we can learn from Jon!
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
Brilliant
Maybe I don’t have knockout power. But I do know that I have enough power to break down a human body, and that’s what I try to do.
I’m not a fan of his personality, but as a fighter he’s a savant. When he steps in the cage he’s a joy to watch, never a dull moment.
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by Worldisart on Sep 19, 2011 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He's definitely fun to watch
I think part of that is he has yet to get “hurt” and so he fights without the fear of being hurt, because he has nothing to base it off of. A lot of guys start out that way and once they’ve FACED THE PAIN (ROAARRRR) they’re a lot more cautious and make me sad.
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Sep 19, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
rampage by tko round 2
Once again its rampage “against all odds”.. on the 24th rampage is proving everybody wrong again.. jones will not beat rampage, and he damn sure aint finishing rampage..
Yeah he proved everyone wrong that said he would KO Matt Hamill easily. I was wrong about that one too.
by Spider_Vemon on Sep 19, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Or how he would KO Forrest and Jardine.
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by RJshock 305 on Sep 19, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Are u serious?
Im just gone say this because I replied to comments like that before rj.. Once sat comes that don’t mean shit
by psychoblack on Sep 19, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont think Page has a good chance to KO Jones.
His reach is the shortest while Jones is the longest. The difference is virtually a foot. Page will have to lunge forward to even get in throwing range, and Knowing Greg he will have had Jones throwing strikes from the outside while keeping range this entire camp. Page can win by KO. I just dont think its likely to happen.
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by RJshock 305 on Sep 19, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You’ve been saying that all over this site. But if the past means nothing, why the hell even talk about it?
JDS, Jones, Florian, Frankie
by Crackity Bones on Sep 19, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He has 1 chance to win
By DQ. Period.
Come at me, bro.
by IKiIIed007 on Sep 19, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Delusion
You think this guy can beat Jon Jones? LOL
Come at me, bro.
by IKiIIed007 on Sep 19, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If someone can beat Jones I think it’ll be a fighter with tight defensive boxing in the pocket.
Something Rampage does really well (or used to).
Someone that won’t be fazed by the crazy striking and throw bombs down the pipe.
So if Rampage doesn’t do it I think it’ll be someone “like” him in style.
by PASmith on Sep 19, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wha...?
You’re rhetorically asking if a guy who’s been fighting at the elite level for years now with exactly 40 pro fights to his name can beat a talented prospect with just 1/3 of his fight experience? Sure Rampage’s heart may not be into it like it used to and all that jazz, but sheesh man it’s not like Jones is fighting Carmelo Marrero this saturday.
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by SentientAndroid on Sep 19, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldn’t question his heart. in some of his previous fights? sure. just not this time. if the belt is on the line, you’d better believe he’s motivated.
'....and if you can't fuck with that, you must be celibate.'
by Victor Rodriguez on Sep 19, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
MMA fans and passing judgement . . .
Some people have suggested that because you do care about how you are perceived, that makes you a less honest person. How do you respond when you hear things like that?
I just don’t understand how people know where my honestly lies if they’ve never met me.
In general, does it surprise you when people doubt your sincerity?
No, it doesn’t surprise me. I realize that no one can judge me. Not many people have sat down at a dinner table with me, or seen me with my family.
Not very many people know who I am as a person, or know much about me, or it’s hard for me to take complete strangers serious if they’re calling me a fake
I’m too lazy/busy to write a fan post about this but this basically sums up what I often hear about some fighters from time to time.
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That's a great response from Bones about the haters...
It’s crazy how people can have such invested emotions for an athlete they’ve never met, for the things the athlete does or says while not in competition.
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by Zachary Kater on Sep 19, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Seriously.
I can understand just plain not liking the guy, but the level of hate is completely irrational, and the arguments and rationalizations behind it are ludicrous.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 19, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I really like Jones as a fighter,
and that’s why i’m a fan of his, but god damn… he does say some shit every once in a while.
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 19, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure.
I just don’t really see it as egregious at all. In fact, relative to most fighters, it doesn’t even register to me. I’m still constantly surprised at how much venom comes his way, for the most part over what seem like very trivial things to me. Not to say he hasn’t made me facepalm a few times, but it’s just nothing serious. I suppose it’s a combination of his exposure and personality, but damn, I can name a ton of fighters who strike me as way bigger assholes, they’re just not holding a belt!
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 19, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He does come across as hypocritical at times;
I think Jones needs to just embrace the heel inside him and just act cocky as hell. I think the false humility bothers some people.
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 19, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
it certainly bothers me.
i’m able to separate the fighter from the person most of the time, but until he faces some sort of humanizing defeat, he’s just a cocky kid with a heaping wheelbarrow of talent.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Sep 19, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't take it as false at all...
I take it as “in process”. I think he knows he’s a badass, and loves it, but doesn’t want to forget where he came from and let this fame business take him over. To me it isn’t fake, it’s a very real balancing act, trying to keep it level.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 19, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Jon Jones is a breath of fresh air
To all the people who have a thing against Jones: have you actually read the whole USA Today interview?
For a 24 year old kid, he has a very impressive level of intellect, nuance and maturity about the fight game and life in general.
I mean, let’s face it: at 24 years old, most of us were still trying to find our place in the world. To put an even finer context to it: Jones is a preternaturally talented and supremely athletic fighter who reached the pinnacle of his sports at a very young age, in a sports culture that has traditionally been the bastion of aggression and individuality, and isn’t fazed (for now) by the fame and success that would sink most other athletes.
I wonder if a lot of the hate he gets online is just a projection of the insecurities that we have about ourselves. I wouldn’t call it jealousy, because that wouldn’t really apply to most of us who are not in combat sports professionally.
I think we just aren’t conditioned to accept a confident and smart, young, black man who doesn’t play by the script (see: Rampage, Mayweather, Tyson, et al.).
There I said it.
Projection. Yeah maybe.
Some times his thoughts does not come out clearly and some times he say things that are better off left unsaid.
But yeah, either way . . . some fans are over critical when it comes to his tweets, his reactions, his demeanor during weigh-ins, his outlook, his positive belief system, his outlook, etc.
I think fans people are too quick to pass judgement on fighters they barely know. Ehhh, you can always and easily point to his age, and race as factors . . . but it just too easy. There’s simply more to the negative reaction towards Jones. In the end, it matters very little because his detractors still pay to see him fight.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 19, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You switch Jon Jones as an athlete
With a working-class, Irish American from Boston and he’s suddenly work-driven, wise and mature (personality-wise).
A latino from Los Angeles and now he’s mysterious and spiritual.
We all have our biases. Let’s at least acknowledge that before we throw whatever comes to our mind, hoping that something sticks.
I don't get how he becomes those things by changing his station and ethnic background
I think you might want to stop catching rides with Nick Diaz, brah.
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Sep 19, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That's your perception, Meckenstein
And while highly reasonable, I doubt if the majority of Jones detractors subscribe to that.
To most of them, he’s just another successful, young black person who’s operating beyond his “station”.
Arrogant, cocky, fake…these are all coded words for someone who hasn’t been on the spotlight for really all that long. Shallow opinions of someone who has been performing a level or two above his opponents. In very dramatic, physical ways.
What more could you want?
I think he's disliked more because:
1) He bragged about snitching
2) He killed Shogun
3) He won’t sign replica belts for fans
4) That incredibly iffy story about stopping a robbery and putting some poor distraught single mother up in a hotel
5) His choice in management
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Sep 19, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are excuses for his dislike, not reasons. Those things you just typed all amount to trivial hogwash. Like the other guy said, people look for reasons not to like talented black dudes. Its obvious. Cam Newton is another great example. People called him a con artist. A fucking con artist. Like, “hes too good to be black”. The only beloved black athletes are clowns. Intelligence coupled w talent equals intimidation and hate.
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by warren305 on Sep 19, 2011 6:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The biases are there. The coded language is there. Well always there and now more prevalent in politics and popular culture.
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by VeeisAnimated on Sep 19, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I could care less if he’s black he just seems so damn smug. I also hated Matt Hughes even when he was the best welterweight in the world. There arrogance just rubs me wrong. I dont mind cocky if it’s justified I just hate when guys like Jones and Hughes try to claim to be such humble, sweet, Christian, rolemodels when they are really sitting there thinking how awesome they are. Falsu humility if annoying as hell.
by OneScaredHomie on Sep 19, 2011 7:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No one isn’t saying he isn’t smart, talented, etc… and I don’t think he’s very mature, I think he just knows how to act faux mature. He also happens to be really douchey. He was one of my favorite fighters, until his phoniness started to show through. That’s why I don’t like him. I really hate when people say shit like “we just aren’t conditioned to accept a confident and smart, young, black man who doesn’t play by the script”. Maybe you aren’t, don’t put that on others. Not too mention, Floyd is the only one you listed that fits those parameters and he’s an unapologetic dick.
WTF are you going on about?
Faux mature? Douchey? Phoniness?
On what basis are you making those assertions? Twitter posts? Interviews?
Do you really go about your life making a whole picture out of someone who you know really REALLY superficially?
You are more than entitled to not like a person, I’m not disputing that. I just don’t get why you won’t stop at that, and instead continue with this crusade-like mentality against his very personhood. That’s the weird thing.
Interviews and his actions, not his words… or twitter.
I never claimed to know him. I’m just pointing out why I don’t like him. I never said he shouldn’t have fans, that he’s a bad person, etc. He has some character flaws that rub me the wrong way…and it has nothing to do with the color of his skin, which my primary objection to your post.
That was my point.
BTW, your last point about Floyd
Doesn’t make any sense because all I was doing was showing the kind of spectrum that Jones is expected to fall into. Brash and egotistical, or humble and soft-spoken. There doesn’t seem to be any grey area in between.
Rampage is arguably as “guilty”, but instead he gets points for “being real” and “saying it as it is.”
Not to mention, there was a lot of griping and bellyaching about the very same thing people are complaining about Jones now when Rampage knocked out Chuck Lidell for the LHW belt.
Umm, no… if that was your point about those fighters, you should have prefaced it with that. There is no way to infer that explanation from your original post. If that was truly the case (I call bullshit), then where was the spectrum? Where was your example of humble and soft-spoken?
That’s the thing though. One of my biggest gripes about Jones is the dichotomy he tries to portray. You can’t act humble when you’re clearly not, otherwise it comes across as… wait for it… douchey. Rampage is at least what you see is what you get.
What exactly are you saying Rampage and Jones had in common that people complained about??? I don’t recall anything, other than a lot of fans rooting for Chuck because he was the more popular fighter, defending champion, bigger name, etc…
I don’t recall anyone ever referring to Rampage as faux mature, phony, or douchey… but maybe you can refresh my memory…
If your take on Jones
Was taken in the context of a wide, diverse range of opinions about Jones, that would be one thing.
But the majority of the comments on Jones’ personality (at least here in BE) is that he is arrogant, devious, cocky and fake.
Much of which is based off of snippets from interviews. Just that.
Outside of his unfortunate opponents inside the cage, is there anyone he has affected in a hurtful, negative way? And I’m not just talking about the morally astute feelings of our esteemed commenters here (the ones who have completely nailed down the ideal way to live, talk and walk).
Just because much of it is based off snippets, doesn’t mean it all is. I’ve watched most of the interviews he’s done while in the UFC and there has been a VERY, VERY clear shift in his personality over the last few years.
Go listen to him talk around the time he was fighting Bonnar and Gavao… He was ACTUALLY humble and sincere. The problem is, he’s tried to keep the sincere/humble attitude long since it has gone by the wayside due to his success in the UFC… I don’t mind him being cocky or even talking trash if he wants. I’m not sure if you just lack a bullshit detector, but he REEKS of phoniness… and that’s what my (and I’m guessing most people’s) problem with him is.
Last time I checked, if someone rubs me the wrong way because of glaring character flaws I am allowed to dislike them… without researching every aspect of their life, lol.
Did you ever stop to consider the possibility that the majority of the comments reflect one take on him because he actually is arrogant, devious, cocky and fake?
I still think he’s an amazing fighter and I enjoy watching him fight… but that doesn’t mean I have to like what I have seen as a person and I find it absurd to assert otherwise.
If youre black and intelligent you are fake. Got it. Because you know how he “really” is right?
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by warren305 on Sep 19, 2011 6:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My thoughts exactly you phrased it better than I could have though. He just seems to be putting on an act and I don’t buy it. He seems like hes playing a role and I feel like he’s insulting my intelligence. I may be wrong but I have been fairly successful in my life and a big reason for that is I have been pretty good at picking out when someone was being genuine and when they were just saying what they thought I wanted to hear. Jones absolutely reminds me of the guy at work who tells everyone what they want to hear but is incredibly phony and than can’t understand why no one likes him.
by OneScaredHomie on Sep 19, 2011 7:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh please
That’s exactly the kind of one-sided, judgmental attitude that Jones talks about.
Do you really stick by that?
You must absolutely loathe Rampage then. The guy gets drunk, drives his bigass truck on the highway and smashes a pregnant woman’s car. The tips your douchebag scale, does it not?
For fuck’s sake, how do you reconcile that kind of metric?
wow, i just walked into a Jones blow-a-thon judging from all these comments
The intensity to which people defend/love Jones is just insane. I don’t recall anyone recently who has had such a following
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by Discman2 on Sep 19, 2011 1:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Say what?
This has to be sarcastic. But it just seems out of place.
If not, here’s proof that plenty of BE people don’t like Bones.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/9/9/2414099/my-least-favorite-current-ufc-champion-poll-inside
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by Zachary Kater on Sep 19, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ever since Tito beat Ryan Bader I will believe anything.
Shit I’ll put some down on Rampage.
by Mixed Martial Arts on Sep 19, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
Two thoughts
First, Jones definitely has power, he’s just not winding up for those big one punch KOs. But his opponents generally look IN PAIN after he connections. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t have so much trouble moving in on him.
Second, I don’t think Jones should be worrying so much about his maturity. For a kid, he was plenty mature as he won the belt. Don’t think it’s good for his mental health to never eat that one slice of pizza or whatever. All work and no play…
Machida will most likely be the one to expose Jones.
Page has a slim puncher’s chance and that’s it.
I would like to believe your first statement,
I just can’t. The second one is spot on.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Sep 19, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
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