B.J Penn and Dana White Exchange Video Clips, Situation Gets Stranger
by Mike Fagan on Sep 16, 2011 11:40 AM EDT
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On Tuesday, BJPenn.com released a video blog interview of their titular fighter with the subtitle "Why are UFC interviewer's [sic] telling me what to say about Nick Diaz?" In it, B.J. Penn discusses having to film another round of interviews for the UFC Countdown show given the matchup switcheroo at the top of the card.
"One thing that was a trip about that whole thing," Penn said, "was that I gotta lot of respect for Diaz, I trained with him before that whole thing. And they forced me to say at the of the whole thing, they forced me to say-- You gotta say Nick Diaz's name now. You gotta say his name. ... They're like, 'Say you're gonna beat Nick Diaz. Say you're gonna beat Nick Diaz.'"
UFC President Dana White took umbrage with Penn's comments and released footage of an interview with Penn to the Underground (video embed after the jump). The footage is touted as "raw and uncut," yet the clip is a mere two minute segment of what is presumably a much longer interview.
Penn's camp responded with a clip of their own (also embedded below). This clip depicts a different interview than the clip provided by the UFC. (Penn wears a tank top in the UFC's clip. He sports a black RVCA t-shirt here.)
The clip begins with an unnamed (and presumed) UFC media employee imploring Penn to "hype the fight." Penn, laughing, rhetorically asks, "Who's the best at hyping a fight?" This prompts the UFC man to goad Penn into saying he'll "beat the s*** out of him [Diaz]" and then "kill Anderson [Silva]" right after. The interview appears to resume normally from there.
BJPenn.com released this statement with the video:
If you watch it, it will show the UFC interviewer specifically instigating trash talking from BJ. While BJ's recent recount may not have been 100% accurate based on what the video released allowed you to see, our video shows them asking for specific items from BJ in hopes to hype the fight.
So forgive us for a slightly innacurate recount of events, but as you can see, we are used to the UFC making requests that instigate a fighter to say things he would not normally say and for that reason BJ is somewhat sensetive to these types of baited interviews now.
This all seems much ado about nothing. Penn's clip certainly shows the interviewer trying to manipulate Penn into phrasing things a certain way, awkwardly might I add, but...that's sort of the job of the promoter, is it not?
The UFC did itself no favors by releasing a two-minute clip and touting it as "raw and uncut," either. They can't prove something didn't happen, unless they are able to produce footage of the entire encounter from the moment Penn steps in the room until he leaves. Some sort of written statement, and probably one that reconciles with the realities of being a promoter, would have sufficed just as well.
Editor's note by Brent Brookhouse: The video released by Penn's people was from the Kenny Florian fight as an attempt to show that the UFC does attempt to get certain soundbytes from its fighters in these interviews.
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well certainly no one instigated his comments regarding GSP and his camp
by Krizette Laureta on Sep 16, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions
no controversy here
Neither video show the interviewer forcing bj to say anything. It seems like a normal tv promo interview. When the interviewer says anderson i assume he meant gsp cause he says “…wait in the octagon for him to walk out” bottom line they need bj to say key phrases “october 29th” “nick diaz” “i’m going to win” bj only took one of his pills that day and excites easily
by mr.mmaman on Sep 16, 2011 11:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
… or bj’s clip could be from ufc 101 or 112 when anderson was the main event
by mr.mmaman on Sep 16, 2011 11:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is it the case that unless you side with the UFC in all debatable issues that you get banned from Bloody Elbow? This is a great site, but come on! If BJ says that’s what happend, then that’s what happend.
Dana is a great promoter, but an honest man, he is not. Get over him already!
You gotta be shittin' me....do you read here much?
Is it the case that unless you side with the UFC in all debatable issues that you get banned from Bloody Elbow? This is a great site, but come on
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by Bloodsport on Sep 16, 2011 5:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pretty stupid situation
Who cares? It’s annoying that bjpenn.com tries to be the TMZ of MMA. They’re clearly accustomed to BJ using heavy wordplay and doing a great job of hyping a fight and wondered why he was so subdued. He doesn’t have to say anything he doesn’t want to, but he doesn’t have to manufacture controversy, either.
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
I think everyone is missing the point. Penn was obviously trying to subdue the flames before Diaz saw the interview. He probably thought Diaz would be disrespected by the comments. In reality, Diaz should probably understand how this all works, and that he shouldn’t take anything on the Countdown show as reality. Unfortunately, Diaz is straight up crazy when it comes to social interactions with fighters. He already said that they are “previous” friends now because Penn accepted the fight.
So, it’s kind of a dick move in my mind that the UFC doesn’t have the foresight to see that, then releases a shitty video in response to thwart Penn’s attempt to subdue a thought of disrespect toward Diaz.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 16, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
How am I missing the point if I haven't seen the final interview?
So he talked some shit and is backpedaling so as not to offend his buddy?
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by Charles Awad on Sep 16, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Talked what shit? He said he would beat Nick Diaz. That’s it.
I think Penn has some sort of strange thought that Diaz will take it the wrong way. And strangely, I think he’s right. Diaz already says they are “previous” friends because they now have to fight.
I think the video afterward where he explained the whole “forcing him to say” stuff was a preemptive strike to something that shouldn’t really be an issue.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 16, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Is that all
there is to the “previous” friends thing?
I wondered if there had been a genuine falling out of sorts.
If BJ were smart,
he would know Diaz is going to be pissed/offended regardless, and try to rile him up instead, hoping to goad him into fighting mad and wild…
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by The American Ronin on Sep 16, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a stupid thing in general. It’s non-news honestly and the only reason it is ranking as news is because of people hoping it will play with all of the Diaz drama last week. At least that is my take of this getting spread around.
Watching both videos it looks like BJ was having fun and saying exactly what he wanted to say. The only reason this somehow became a ‘issue’ is because BJ wanted to make hits for his website. That simple and nothing else.
I can’t honestly believe that even Nick Diaz is dumb enough to take anything said in a fight promo to heart…
by Empty Thoughts on Sep 16, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
The prompter was just suggesting ideas to get things going
He wasn’t saying “You must say this, word for word”. He’s saying “Come on, say something, hype the fight, say you’re gonna beat the shit out of him then call out Anderson Silva, use some imagination”.
That’s how I interpreted it in BJ’s own video.
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by crizzy on Sep 16, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
There was no way Lesnar vs. Angle was fake. Those dudes flat out wanted to kill each other.
Maybe it was the Lesnar vs. The Rock feud, now that I think of it…..either way, that shit got real and stayed real…..
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by Scabby Knuckle on Sep 16, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Why does BJ care so much?
Did someone shame him for hyping the fight a little?
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
Bj started with Ralph Gracie, he trained with Cesar, Nick and the boys.
It’s just a thing man. He just wants nick to know he has love for him is all. Maybe this is the buddhist in me , but i think Bj is at a place where he doesn’t fight with anger (as much lol). He just wants nick to know he respects him and their relationship. It’s a pretty stand up thing to do. Imho .
Plus with the Bj Penn vs. gsp count down all that crap he talked was asked of him by the UFC. George was suppose to do the same thing. Instead George didn’t and made Bj look like a Dick. So he is a little sore about that.
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by the-gentle-way on Sep 16, 2011 11:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why is BJ so iffy about talking bad regarding Nick Diaz? His never been one to carefully choose his words on his opponents before.
by Krizette Laureta on Sep 16, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions
Because he’s trained with Nick before, and he holds a mutual respect for him.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 16, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Or because Nick is his dealer.
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Sep 16, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
... and knows that Nick has the emotional maturity of an 11yr old girl.
by BKdroid on Sep 16, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
That’s a little insulting…. to 11 year old girls.
by Shnak on Sep 16, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah
Sounds more like an 18 year old.
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Nick doesn't deserve BJ's respect...
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by PlightGeist on Sep 16, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
this situation is dumb all around
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by dbcb on Sep 16, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
If BJ didn’t want to say it, he shouldn’t have said it. He should have learned by now how the media and promotion works. End of story.
by Horselover Fat on Sep 16, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions
The guy in the second video sounds like the smug tool who used to sit and insult all the guys trying out for TUF. A typical loudmouthed jackoff who has never had a fight in his life but can act a twat because he has a solid position in Zuffa.
My only sorrow about the Penn vs Diaz fight is that one of them will lose. Heres hoping for a FOTN bonus apiece.
Ends in a legit draw…AND gets FOTN…
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by The American Ronin on Sep 16, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude you are stretching.
If that dude pissed you off that much by just goofing around with BJ you must have one shitty life.
Obviously
you either don’t understand the mentality of a journalist, or you are one. Either way get a clue.
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by PlightGeist on Sep 16, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t get why BJ doesn’t just hype the fight like he normally would, and then call Nick Diaz privately and say “Yeah I just did this for the promotion, nothing personal bro.”
Instead, he made it a big public issue, dunno why.
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Heh. Call Nick privately? Dude is a socially nuts. If the guy on the corner says that Diaz will lose to Penn, Nick is probably outside with his hands up barking at the dude like he killed his mother.
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by Leland Roling on Sep 16, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed..seems like pointless goading on BJ's part after BJ was called out for being wrong about the Diaz comments
He said “I will beat Nick Diaz”. So what? Diaz could misconstrue those but he might not even see it. BJ messed up, and is reaching all the way to the archives of BJPenn.com video from a different interview to show that in fact the UFC does do this…even though this wasn’t his main motive to begin with IMO. His main motive was back tracking and trying not to disrespect Diaz after they trained together in the past.
If the guy on the corner says that Diaz will lose to Penn, Nick is probably outside with his hands up barking at the dude like he killed his mother.
At least as long as he has his crew with him…
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by The American Ronin on Sep 16, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing you can say about Diaz
He’s not afraid.
Once you’re in the cage, its just you against him. Inside the cage, has anyone ever seen a look of concern on Nick’s face.
Nick has a video where he talks about a fight he started with two big guys who cut him off while he was cycling. He got stabbed and robbed.
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by PlightGeist on Sep 16, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly my sentiments. WTF is up with him, I think he is just scared to bad mouth Diaz thats all!
by Karatekid19 on Sep 16, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
If you had douchebags
putting words in your mouth all the time, you might get frustrated after a while. Only an idiot would think BJ is scared of Diaz. No one is scared of Diaz.
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by PlightGeist on Sep 16, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
the interviewer trying to manipulate Penn into phrasing things a certain way, awkwardly might I add, but…that’s sort of the job of the promoter, is it not?
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by PlightGeist on Sep 16, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t that last video from Penn-GSP 2? Either way, Penn made a non-issue into a huge one by trying to throw the UFC under the bus for his comments then got butt-hurt when they released the video showing him to be a liar….which he admitted in his statement. “So forgive us for a slightly innacurate recount of events”
well if this wasn't the more interesting fight to begin w/, it now....
and all because a fighter and promoter disagrees on editing. makes me wonder if the whole thing isn’t just fabricated bullshit. all partys involved understand how promotion works (yes, even crazy ass socially awkward Nick) to me, this just reeks of pumping up interest for the fight and Dana finding ways to keep his fighters hungry for a fight.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Sep 16, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions
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by CaptnAmerca on Sep 16, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yes, this is as strange as ATHF
I dont even know why Penn bothered to say that stuff, he just brought more attention to confusion.
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by CaptnAmerca on Sep 16, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be surprised if this fight didn’t happen. This card is full of crazy.
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by Doomrider on Sep 16, 2011 11:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Penn’s camp responded with a clip of their own (also embedded below). This clip depicts a different interview than the clip provided by the UFC. (Penn wears a tank top in the UFC’s clip. He sports a black RVCA t-shirt here.)
The clip begins with an unnamed (and presumed) UFC media employee imploring Penn to “hype the fight.” Penn, laughing, rhetorically asks, “Who’s the best at hyping a fight?” This prompts the UFC man to goad Penn into saying he’ll “beat the s*** out of him [Diaz]” and then “kill Anderson [Silva]” right after. The interview appears to resume normally from there.
The second video is from the Florian Countdown.
The Real Housewives of the UFC...
I can’t wait for this card to just be here already… Get this BS over with already.
I don't see the problem here
I mean yea some of those itnerviews are retarded like the ones they play right before face the pain but yep nothing new
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UFC trying to hype a fight, BJ Penn crying about something, Diaz is crazy… bla bla bla… nothing to see here, moving along…
Right
Each is simply doing or being what they always do/are…
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by The American Ronin on Sep 16, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
True too...
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by The American Ronin on Sep 16, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok I know this is random…. But i just watched a preview for bar rescue, and it looks pretty awesome. thoughts?
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I’m surprised. It actually looks pretty quality for a spike show.
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Sep 16, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone think BJ is just trying to get an edge here?
Given the clever gameplanning that BJ employed to almost beat Fitch, is it possible that he’s just trying to avoid riling up Diaz? We all know that an angry Diaz who feels disrespected is a dangerous Diaz.
i think Penn respects Diaz.
Except he did it the wrong way and now Diaz might give him the frank shamrock treatment!
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This is so odd..
I would find it more surprising if the producers DIDN’T try to invoke emotion/anger. Of course they’re going to try to get them to talk shit – the videos are all hype! That’s my time to grab the lighter, anyways.
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