Combat Fan Dilemma: Undercard Tilts Scales Toward Floyd Mayweather vs. Victor Ortiz Over UFC Fight Night 25
Five percent. We hear that number more and more often these days when discussing the amount of "crossover fans" between boxing and MMA. But that number is misleading when it comes to situations like this weekend. It's not just "boxing fans" who order pay-per-view events featuring Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather, just like it's not exclusively football fans who tune in for the Super Bowl. There is an allure to watching the best in a sport perform, and guys like Floyd and Manny have transcended simple sporting lines and are now parts of popular culture.
For most, the decision on if they should watch the UFC Fight Night 25 card or Floyd Mayweather vs. Victor Ortiz will not be a difficult one. If you like boxing at all or are intrigued by the "big event" the boxing pay-per-view is worth the rather steep (upwards of $69.95 for HD) price. The hardcore MMA fans are less likely to skip a UFC event just to catch a single, expensive boxing event.
While Jake Shields vs. Jake Ellenberger is a perfectly solid main event, it simply doesn't stack up to (arguably) boxing's pound-for-pound best taking on the #2 ranked welterweight in the world.
While, normally, I'd say that a UFC undercard destroys what boxing promoters are willing to give you for your money, for once they're actually going to deliver some legitimate fights. This is the first of a few articles I will write this week looking at the biggest fight of the weekend.
Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, already sporting a 37-0-1 record while only 21 years old, is one of the top rising stars in the sport and a guy with huge drawing power on his own. His battle with Alfonso Gomez is one that favors Alvarez but should deliver plenty of action. This fight is actually headlining its own card at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, CA but will be shown as the featured undercard bout on the pay-per-view.
Erik Morales isn't the huge draw that he once was, but this is still one of the five greatest Mexican boxers ever and a man ESPN ranked as the #49 boxer of all time. Morales will be in action on the undercard against solid undefeated prospect Pablo Cesar Cano. Scott Christ of Bad Left Hook explains exactly why Morales/Cano is a solid fight:
Cano (22-0-1, 17 KO) is an aggressive young fighter taking a big step up in class with this fight, but you have to like that Golden Boy was able to find a legitimate prospect and legitimate junior welterweight with the very short notice. I really thought they'd wind up being "stuck with" Anthony Crolla, who was originally supposed to be Morales' opponent on the show, but they've gone in what may well be a much better direction, with all due respect to Crolla.
I'll turn to Scott and Bad Left Hook one more time to explain why the opening bout on the card, a fight between Jessie Vargas and Josesito Lopez, is a perfectly solid way to start the evening:
Here's a good fight that there's no philosophical issue with whatsoever. Prospect Vargas, 22, has blown through Vivian Harris and Walter Estrada in his last two. Sure, those aren't the most amazing wins, but they were solid for where he was at, and now he takes a good challenge from the tough Lopez, a 27-year-old from Riverside, Calif., who you may be familiar with if you're a Friday Night Fights regular. This is a legit fight for a couple of hungry guys looking to step up, and as a tone-setter, could be just about perfect and like the other two fights, has serious potential to be a good fight.
So a solid night of action fights and a big main event should make this an easy sell for anyone wondering what to do with their Saturday night. We'll have more on Mayweather/Ortiz this week to provide information for those curious and because I like to talk boxing sometimes.
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Agreed
For once we have a stacked boxing PPV. I’ll be watching it live and DVRing the Fight Night.
That is the best option.
We don’t have premium cable in the dorms, so the choice is very easy. UFC on “free” TV!
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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 13, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Mayweather/Ortiz is live
Shields/Ellenberger is delayed on the West Coast.
I know what I’ll watch first by default.
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There's a boxing PPV the same night as the Fight Night?
Who would have thought? Seriously though, I’d have no clue this was going on or anything in boxing for that matter, if I didn’t read your articles.
yea
while I’m peripherally aware of the Mayweather fight, I’ve got next to zero desire to watch it. I’m also sad that my options are Jake Shield or Floyd Mayweather, but WAR UFC UNDERCARD!
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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 13, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I never saw this angle of the Cormier / Silva fight
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by menckenstein on Sep 13, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
If you have DVR, shouldn’t even be a question. I got a 3 month trial of HBO and 24/7 sold me. I want to see Floyd shitkicked, though I know it won’t happen. War Ortiz!
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by mountaineers101 on Sep 13, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions
Ortiz should have never taken this fight
Terrible stylistic match up for him and he doesn’t have any one thing over Floyd Jr. I hope it’s a big paycheck.
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by menckenstein on Sep 13, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
well thats what money man floyd does
cherry picks his opponents, its embarrassing anyone calls this guy ‘arguably’ the best pound for pound boxer, he is a coward.
It hilarious you can call a man who fights for a living, and quite well at that, a coward.
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by StillUnknown on Sep 13, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think he means in relative terms obviously.
by Rob Young on Sep 13, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Doesn't make a lot of sense in any terms, really.
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by Dino756 on Sep 13, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He's undefeated and dominated everyone he's faced bar De La Hoya
A fight that really sucked.
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I don't really consider taking a fight with Ortiz "cherry picking"
Outside of Manny there is no one on his level. It’s not like Victor is a scrub though.
by HaterSlayer on Sep 13, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude...
no. I’m so tired of hearing this. EVERY boxer with a name chooses who they want to fight, it’s just the way it is. Just watch as soon as either Pacman or Mayweather lose, THEN we’ll finally get to see them fight.
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by SentientAndroid on Sep 13, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
This is his shot at glory.
Ortiz is a huge underdog, but what are his other options? I mean, is he really good enough to gather some easy wins and fight someone like Floyd only when he’s ready, or could he suffer an upset defeat in the process? If that were to happen, suddenly the opportunity is completely gone. If Ortiz loses, he’ll still probably get another fight on HBO. And imagine if he wins. He probably won’t but…you know, crazy stuff happens.
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I agree. But I’m really sold on Ortiz’s heart and personality. And Floyd is a perfect heel. My only debate is to order this or go see it in theaters.
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by mountaineers101 on Sep 13, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Not in terms of picking to win, to clarify. But to actually see the event, Ortiz sold me.
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by mountaineers101 on Sep 13, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't realize they were on the same night
This may explain why the UFN card looks “Weak”
I’m an MMA fan, but most of my attention will likely be on the boxing match this Saturday. Oh and props to Floyd for taking a fight with Victor. It’s not Manny, but at least he took a fight against someone who isn’t a can.
The UFN card looks weak because it is weak
Court McGee vs. Dongi Yang is co-main.
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UFC is in for a tough night, I think. There’s been no publicity for the show this weekend, almost no buzz. Hell, if it wasn’t my job, I probably would’ve forgotten there was a UFC show this weekend. I don’t even see a lot of the guys on the UFC show getting around for interviews. Real weird.
I think a lot of it has to do with both the UFC and Spike playing out the string on their deal at this point.
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UFC Fight Night 25 is just a ploy to get people to buy UFC 135
Expect 40 minutes of fight coverage and 80 mins of ads and idiotic interviews with Jones and Jackson.
And then they’ll run over the timeslot. Again.
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Zuffa is tanking Fight Nights and Strikeforce
That’s what I heard anyway..
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by Charles Awad on Sep 13, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No doubt about it, the UFC will be trounced on Saturday. Zuffa haven’t even tried to make this card competitive. In fact, it’s that weak and insulting to people who have actually bought tickets to the show i can’t believe they didn’t put it on in the UK!
Must admit to missing Mayweather during his latest layoff, hope he puts on a show, because Ortiz belief that he has suddenly become the second coming of Roberto Duran has started grating.
No dilemma here… I’m a MMA fan. If there’s no MMA going on and there’s a decent boxing fight on free TV, I’ll watch it. That’s about it.
i know people complain about the boxing articles
but i really don’t know much about it and i’d like to know more, so i would be very happy to see some previews on this. thanks for the article. this boxing card looks sick, and the ufc card is a bit thin … but 70 bucks is way more than nothing.
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But for the record, any footage from Mayweather/Ortiz is not an accurate representation of boxing. It’s borderline about as scripted as Basketball Wives of (fill in place)
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Still don't get how it's only 5%
Either way, these hefty prices cause me to go to a bar to see these fights. And cause I like me some combat sports and I have hope that Ortiz will bumrush Mayweather for 12 rounds (which is the ONLY WAY to possibly beat Floyd Mayweather), I’m watching this fight.
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I don't care what anyone says about Floyd
I love him. His antics, cocky attitude, I love all that shit. The thing is that he does that shit in front of the camera, but he seems like a really cool guy one on one. I can’t really see Ortiz doing too much to Mayweather. Sure he’s 10 years younger and may be stronger/more powerful, but I just see Mayweather’s speed, defense and experience being too much for Ortiz.
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by SentientAndroid on Sep 13, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions
Cocky fighters don’t duck a smaller fighter like a little bitch.
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
by crizzy on Sep 13, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sports bra?
Is it just me or is Floyd wearing a sports bra under his shirt in that pic?
He wears padding for his ribs
He’s had injuries in the past.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Sep 13, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana White and Lorenzo will definitely be watching the Mayweather Jr. vs David Ortiz card after UFC Fight Night
UFC 136 Edgar vs Maynard III is looking pretty good!
I think David Ortiz is a little out of Mayweather’s weight class.
by discoandherpes on Sep 13, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Floyd’s dealt with large foes before. I wouldn’t count him out so quickly.
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Wait
There’s a UFC card this Sat?
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He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Sep 13, 2011 2:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
As much as it would be a cool story for Ortiz to pull off a second upset in a row, but I don’t think it’s happening.
BTW, Jordan Breen has said that mma has also made people who wouldn’t normally be boxing fans into boxing fans. I guess I’m proof of that, since I didn’t start watching boxing until after I became a hardcore mma fan.
watching Money Vs. Ortiz @ a friends house DVRing UFC
Two very goods cards, but I don’t work for Zuffa I don’t care about ratings I’ll watch it at my leisure. Plus there’s more then one tv in the house I’ll switch if it gets boring.
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i wont be watching mayweather live
I will wait for the replay on hbo or showtime like I do every boxing card. 70 dollars is to much a ufc payperview is almost 30 dollars less.
by XingYi on Sep 13, 2011 4:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i wont be watching mayweather live
I will wait for the replay on hbo or showtime like I do every boxing card. 70 dollars is to much a ufc payperview is almost 30 dollars less.
by XingYi on Sep 13, 2011 4:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Until there is another boxer like Tyson, Hagler or Ali etc. I have no interest in boxing. Pacquiao is the only fighter that even interests me in the slightest. Mayweather refuses to fight Pac so I couldn’t care less about him fighting his other chumps. Boxing kinda sucks anyway IMO. The sport is a dying art. Once the old people that still love boxing die (kinda like baseball) the sport will rattle its last breath.
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I was a big time boxing fan 10 years ago...
but I can’t stand Floyd these days(and won’t spend my money to see it go into his pocket), and the sport is screwed up. Let me guess, there are probably 2 or 3 belts on the line in this fight, one of the other major problems with the sport.
I'll be watching the boxing card
Because of Morales and Alvarez. I’m not interested in seeing Floyd fight again, unless it’s against Pacquiao (Which IMO won’t happen anytime soon.)

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