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Howdy.  My name is Justin Cave (though I go by Rundownloser here), and I imagine you might be here because of this whole UFC on Fox thing.  Sure you've heard of the UFC prior to this particular event, but something is a bit different this time.  For whatever reason, your interest is piqued and you have decided to investigate the topic with more diligence than ever before.  Thus, you have found yourself at Bloodyelbow.com (hereafter referred to as BE), perhaps unfortunately named but a terrifically informative blog nonetheless.  This is also the precipice, the last stop before the realm of the hardcore mixed martial arts fan.   As intimidating as that may sound, it should not deter you.  Not only is the MMA community a surprisingly edified lot, the members are generally jovial, agreeable, and (at least in my case) overwhelmingly handsome.

More importantly, MMA, especially at this stage, is a remarkable sport.  It is an everchanging landscape of techniques, skills, and styles, constantly evolving in the forge that is personal combat.  Even the tangentially related elements like contract negotiations and matchup speculation are open to you, given your interest.  And every aspect of the sport can be explored within the walls of this and other websites, except for MMAMania.com which is garbage.  This is partially because MMA, unlike most major sports, has had since the relatively early days a thriving online component.  This was especially true during the dark ages, when places like Sherdog.com and MMAWeekly.com were the only outlet for MMA content.  But I'm getting ahead of myself.  Navigating a new space, especially one with a dedicated fanbase, can be daunting in the beginning.  Therefore, allow me to assist.

I have written this Fanpost for I too was once a 'new fan'.  In the eyes of many, you will be part of at least the third or fourth generation of mixed martial arts fan (though seventh or eighth is probably closer).  The one previous in their minds will probably be those that began following more closely during the first five or so seasons of The Ultimate Fighter, a reality TV show which began on Spike in 2005 and is commonly referred to as TUF.  I am one of these, commonly referred to as 'TUF noobs' by folk whose genetics have not left their neanderthal roots.  If they have an eye for history, they may include another generation between yours and mine, who began following MMA after Brock Lesnar joined the UFC and before the UFC on FOX bit.  This is largely unimportant, but I've always erred on the on side of context.

Instead of drowning you with an endless stream of paragraphs too enervating to count let alone read, I will merely provide you with a bit of a primer and directions to other articles, sites, and content that you may continue to look into at your leisure.  None of this is truly necessary to enjoy this sport (as you already know), so investigate whatever headings strike your fancy.  Also, all this shit is free, outside the books and such.

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History 

It turns out that folk have been hitting each other for a good long while.  I'll leave you with that and direct you to the loads of great historical pieces that can actually do this area justice (unlike myself):

  • We'll kick things off with the MMA History series by BE's own Kid Nate.  That link will take you to the first installment, which covers the very beginnings of the sport we now know as MMA.  The series itself largely limits its scope to the time period between the early 90's and about the TUF era (roughly 2005).  Much of this is considered the aforementioned 'dark ages' and Nate brings together a lot of pictures and video from an era that can be difficult to find.  By the way, at the bottom of the article, you'll find links to the rest of the series.
  • Next we have The Forgotten Golden Age of Mixed Martial Arts by nottheface, an absolutely incredible commentator on BE.  The link will take you to the first article in the series.  Here are the links to parts IIIII, and IV as well.  There are two related articles,  James Figg: The Lost Origins of the Sport of Mixed Martial Arts and The Martial Chronicles.  Altogether, this series delves into the distant and obscure precursors of the sport.  Topics include Judo, Boxing, Catchwrestling, and Bartitsu and introduce a variety of interesting and important characters.  Occasionally a bit esoteric and/or indirectly related, it is remarkably well written and intellectually stimulating.
  • Next in line is the History of Jiu-Jitsu series by T.P. Grant, who is one of BE's grappling editors.  That link will take you to the first article, which covers the development of hand to hand fighting in Japan from roughly 900 a.d. to about 1850.  The series covers pretty much the entire extent of jiu-jitsu's history, with special attention paid to the Gracie family and their literal and figurative progeny.  Given Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu's importance in the sport, this series has a lot of relevancy to the modern scene.  I won't link to all of the articles (since there are twenty-fucking-two), but here is a link to the 2nd most recent one, which has links to all the rest below.  The most recent article is a good read too, but it doesn't have the helpful links at the bottom.
  • You'll notice that I have largely stayed within BE for this section.  That's mainly because BE's diligent editors and thriving commentators actually do a remarkably good job combing through history.  Here you will find the MMA History section on BE.  This contains all the various history articles put forth by other writers, including pieces by staff members Mike Fagan, Fraser Coffeen, and Matthew Roth (to name a few).  I set aside these not because they are of lesser quality, but because they are generally one or two-offs rather than a full series bound by an ongoing thread or theme.  They can be a little difficult to navigate through, so don't be afraid to go here.
  • But that isn't to suggest that BE has a monopoly on historical pieces.  Keith from Fight Rankings has put together a very nice collection of articles about the early years of MMA.  One goes over the UFC, while the other goes over PRIDE (a rival organization that was the dominant Japanese promotion until 2007).  Each link takes you to the most recent article in the series (as of 11/12/11), but have links to the previous articles as well.

On the off chance you can't handle reading on the internet (a concept which immediately brings several questions to my mind), there are in fact honest to god books you can read about the history of MMA.  

  • Total MMA by Jonathan Snowden, a contributor at MMANation (part of the SBNation family, along with BE) and former BE editor, is widely considered the definitive history of the sport.  At roughly 250 pages, it won't take you forever neither.  If there is one issue, it was published in 2008 so it won't help you catch up on the immediate past (hardly an immense issue, but worth mentioning).  
  • Mr. Snowden also has another great book, the MMA Encyclopedia, which is pretty much what it sounds like and is just as informative.  It was published in 2010, so it's got a couple years on Total MMA.  To top it off, he's got another book coming out on the history of wrestling (olympic, professional, catch, etc.).
  • Kid Peligro's The Gracie Way covers the history of the Gracie family, the principle preachers and practitioners of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu over the last hundred years.  Hell, they even founded the UFC.  Peligro's unparalleled access leaves the reader with a lot of good info to digest.  It was published in 2003, so it isn't for those looking for recent stories.
  • Sam Sheridan's A Fighter's Heart isn't a classic history of the sport.  Rather, it follows Mr. Sheridan himself during his fighting years.  It covers a variety of topics, but there is some history in there.  It's also just a damn good read.  He even went on the best show in the world, the Daily Show, to talk about it.  Sheridan's other book, The Fighter's Mind, has been pretty well received too.

Finally two documentaries for those who just have yet to be impressed by my offerings.  

  • As suggested by BJJDenver in the original post, here are Renzo Gracie Legacy and The Smashing Machine.  The first link will take you to the official trailer for the movie about Renzo Gracie's life and fighting career, with interviews from top fighters, trainers, and others.  Renzo is a fairly important guy in the sport, both in terms of his fighting career, and his many students today.  The second link will take you to Part 1 of the full documentary about Mark Kerr's (aka the Smashing Machine) meteoric rise and calamitous fall, all in the early days of MMA.  It certainly ain't a date movie, but you'll learn a lot about a guy who folks still talk about as the archetypal cautionary tale in this young sport.  There are other movies, like Choke, but I haven't watched 'em.

    Rankings and Fighter Info

Unfortunately, there is a lot of bullshit in this area.  You can find a thousand different websites with another ten thousand sets of rankings.  There are no official rankings in MMA, for a number of different reasons, and so any asshole with a godaddy account can post whatever nonsense they feel like.  Additionally, the regional show records most fighters begin their careers on can go unrecorded or otherwise lost to the ages, sometimes radically misrepresenting a fighter's accomplishments.  Thankfully, there's help.

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  • To take this homerically, we'll start with the fighter info.  Without a doubt, Sherdog.com's Fight Finder is the one-stop-shop in this area.  Sherdog musters a heroic amount of effort to fact check every entry down to the tiniest event and compiles it in a massive database.  All you gotta do is type in a name.  Each fighter's page includes a variety of stats, pictures, videos and a full list of the outcomes of all past fights.  It is the single most important tool when playing six degrees of separation, and there are some priceless hidden gems buried deep within.
  • Fightmetric.com is another good resource for information.  They routinely put out breakdowns of recent fights unmatched in the amount of data presented.  They also have their own Fight Finder and a fun section of interesting UFC top-10 lists.
  • With rankings, there are a few different directions to take.  As far as traditional rankings, I prefer Sherdog.com here again.  They have the most educated and knowledgeable staff of any ranking website, and arrive at well analyzed positions, whether or not you ultimately agree.  On the other hand, MMAWeekly.com does what it can to make me laugh everyday, and that's worth something too.
  • You can worship our eventual mechanical overlords at Fightmatrix.com, who operate on computerized rankings, which are at least nominally more objective than traditional rankings.  Additionally, their system allows one to find rankings for any point in history, since it's an algorithm (or some other math thing).  Like Fight Metric, they have a bunch of cool stat lists.
  • Boy it's been awhile since I mentioned BE.  Well, wait's over.  They take a less traditional route in 'their' rankings.  For one, they partnered with the USA Today, so you can buy it for a buck fifty.  For another, they compile rankings from a select group of individuals from various outlets and shoot math at them until it results in a "consensus" view of of the rankings.  Unlike traditional rankings, these don't purport to say anything at all about any fighter actual ranking.  Rather, they show generally what the mma community believes the rankings to be.  It's telling that this is necessary, but as lamentable as that fact may be, it is a valuable resource nonetheless.

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Technique

This can be a confusing topic at first.  Although a number of arts are studied by fighters, not all of those techniques are directly applicable in the cage.  For example, while gi training is necessary for a serious study of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (no matter what some people say), a gi usually can't be worn into the cage.  Similarly, hundreds of hours must be devoted to boxing; however, mimicing a boxer's footwork won't get you much beside a big 'L'.  

Joking aside, do not fucking go out and work technique without having an instructor and insurance.  This goes for boxing, jiu-jitsu, and any other martial art worth its salt.  The instructor is necessary to get much of anything out of the training and the insurance is necessary because you will get hurt, no matter how nice your partner may be (you don't want to know what my uninsured broken arm cost in total, it makes me tear up).

  • If you are interested in technique to better appreciate fights, as opposed to performing any maneuvers yourself, the Judo Chop series on BE is excellent.  Its purpose isn't to teach you how, only what, as in "Holy shit!  What did Anderson Silva just do there?!"  Each involves an in depth breakdown, often with many pictures and gifs and teaches you everything you'd need to enjoy MMA on a whole new level.  The series is ridiculously long and has a number of different authors so I'd suggest you either go to the MMA Technique section or use the search function.  Don't forget you can use the power search to search for an exact phrase, like Judo Chop. (Note from Kid Nate we also tag all the Judo Chops with the phrase "Judo Chop" so they all appear here.)
  • After just about every UFC event, The Gracie Breakdown team of Rener and Ralek Gracie breakdown the action from the previous night's fights.  They do an excellent job of showing the move in question, its setup, and all the crucial details that bring a maneuver from a 20% finishing rate into a 80+% finishing rate.  Also, they made this video which makes me laugh everytime because I'm twelve.
  • Sherdog.com has to be mentioned again because of its Technique of the Week series of videos.  The videos are well produced and the moves are well articulated, often by known and accomplished fighters.
  • Grapplearts.com's Grappling Technique section is another great resource.  As their name would suggest, they focus on grappling, specifically Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.  They put out a lot of great breakdowns, including both articles augmented with pictures and videos.  They're well-respected and have moves for different skill levels.  BJJ.org is pretty similar, and that link will take you right to their instructional video series.
  • Lockflow.com has a load of videos too.  Although they usually aren't as well produced, they do come from a variety of sources and cover a bunch of ground, including striking.
  • Many forums have sections devoted to honing technique.  I'm not gonna go and point out all of 'em for you, but here's Sherdog.com's for example.
  • Finally, a note regarding one Eddie Bravo.  If you listen to Joe Rogan for longer than about a minute, you'll eventually hear of the man.  He's a blackbelt with a controversial approach to grappling.  Some think he's a fraud, some a genius, and others a thief.  The best way to think of him is this: Eddie Bravo is to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu as Joseph Smith is to Christianity.  If you see words and phrases like, "rubber guard," "the twister," or any other move with a name that sounds vaguely drug/sex-related, be warned.  You are now officially off the reservation.

You might notice that I have mostly posted grappling instructionals.  The reasons are myriad: 1) I take a punch worse than Lesnar, so I've focused on grappling myself and mostly know those sites, 2) BJJ has a lot of cool folk who don't care about making money off of every little damn thing so they post a bunch of free videos, and 3) Okay it was only two reasons.  But there are a bunch of great books too, and they have more than just hugging.

If you do decide to join a gym, read this first.  That author's website quite good overall.  He goes over technique, reviews gi's, and is pretty helpful when you're starting to train.  Sharp chap, this one.

 

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Community and Forums

This is largely a personal choice.  I myself prefer the erudition, elitism, and Game of Thrones gifs that are the core of the thriving BE community.  Also, few things are as bizarre and unique as the BE Night Crew, the folks who stay up late to watch the big international MMA shows (Update: that used to exist).  But I won't spend this space extolling the virtues of BE exclusively.  There are others.

  • MMA.tv's Underground Forums and Sherdog.com's Forums are the big men on campus.  They are by far the largest forums on the net.  I don't frequent either, so I can't tell you much substantive about them.  The one thing I know is that the Underground Forums seem to have more fighters and industry insiders, so your chances of ever talking to a fighter are improved ever so slightly.  It also ups your chances to talk to Joe Rogan about cheeba and DMT to 100%.
  • There are many combat sports sister sites to BE: HeadKickLegend (aka HKL), BadLeftHook (aka BLH), Cageside Seats (aka CSS, like the band), Gals Guide to MMA (aka GGTMMA), MMANation (aka the Borg) and MMAMania (aka garbage).  They all have communities of their own, and more than a few folks who could use a new friend like you.  HKL talks about mma and kickboxing, BLH focuses on boxing, CSS is primarily concerned with Pro Wrasslin, GGTMMA brings the MMA talk from the oft overlooked feminine perspective, while MMA Mania focuses on news and interviews in the MMA sphere, as opposed to BE's emphasis on feature pieces and analysis.  There is a friendly rivalry between MMAMania and BE, so I don't actually feel Mania is garbage.  They aspire to it.  MMA Nation is a little different, as that's where all the professional journalist types do they thang.
  • There are many more, but since I haven't spent much time on them I will avoid commenting.
  • "But come on, where are the fighters?" you ask.  Well, your best bet is joining a gym where they train, work your way into the more advanced classes they train in, and then tell them whatever stupid fan nonsense you think they don't already know to their face ("Dude, I'm telling ya Forrest: your chin sucks.  You really should work on your striking defense").  If that sounds like work or you don't have the insurance to cover what they'd do to ya, you could always get on the Twitter.  The UFC has been really aggressive in the social media domain and have pushed all their fighters to get on Twitter.  My personal favorite is Chael Sonnen, who routinely brings the level of showmanship of his interviews into bite-sized affirmations of awesome.  If you have a favorite fighter, odds are they have a Twitter, which you'll see prominently displayed under their name during the walkout.  If you don't want to wait that long, you can even go that fighter's UFC.com profile, and find it there.  Even Dana White has one, from which he often hints about or even breaks huge news.  Like new Jakks action figures.

News, Interviews, and Analysis

I'm slowly realizing that this article, originally meant as an primer, is getting pretty damn big.  So I'll try and make this quick.

  • You see those links on the left of the main page?  Check those out.  I'd add MMAFighting.com (Update: which has now been subsumed by, guess who, the Borg) to the list, but before you freak out from info overload, remember the internet is nothing if not an echo chamber.  You can plug one into an RSS feed and rarely miss a beat.
  • If you prefer auditory intake, there are several radio shows too.  BE has one, and that link will take you to the most recent as of 11/10/11.
  • BE's editor emeritus and MMANation's beard-in-chief, Luke Thomas, has one too.  His ambient masculinity is a poor man's TRT and his analysis is consistently on point.
  • Sherdog.com has by far the most radio content of any site.  The quality varies with the Jordan Breen Show being the cream of the crop.  Every Tuesday and Thursday at 3:00 p.m. ET Mr. Breen drops knowledge on emailers, callers, and anyone else who puts a topic in front of him.  There really isn't a sector of the sport he doesn't know more than you about.  Sherdog's work on Roundtable and Beatdown after the Bell shows are stellar as well.
  • Fightlinker has a podcast as well.  It's gonzo radio work and as such, is best consumed as a chaser to a great deal of alcohol.

Before I go, this is a Fanpost, an article written and posted by a commentator.  They ain't difficult, and if you would like to make your own consider taking a look at this link.  It's a Fanpost about how to make a fanpost.  It's so meta it makes Aristotle blush.  It is a bit dated, but one day you'll learn to appreciate that.

As far as the comments, if you're new, go ahead and start asking questions.  Consider this a safe zone.  No one will judge you and there are free hugs.  If you're a regular, after the requisite gifs and puns, I invite you to post anything you think I may have left out.

And a big 'Thank You' to Mr. Broussard for taking a look at this for me before I published it.  Your assistance is much appreciated and just so you know, you're the most underrated staff member on BE.

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Wow. This is quite a feat you have accomplished here. I think this would be good to send via email once someone new has signed-up to become a member of the BE community. Maybe you can talk to Nate or Brent about that. A tip of the hat to you sir on your hard work.

by BeefSupreme on Sep 13, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

That's a good idea.

Damn good work here, RDL. I know this would’ve got me up to speed on MMA way faster than I did!

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).

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-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Sep 13, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is truly fantastic. One thing I will say. Submissions 101 may be decent for learning to appreciate and understand grappling concepts, but they get a lot of disapproval from upper belts at my academy. So in other words… Don’t try this at home kids.

by castleeb on Sep 13, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s because most of the techniques are taught incorrectly.

-AboveThisFire

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

by Patrick Tenney on Sep 13, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their basic armbar from mount sucks

And didn’t the guy lie about his belt?

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Sep 13, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

he wore his Japanese JJ belt

when teaching BJJ moves.

aka BuckeyedBear34

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
~ Napoleon Bonaparte

Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself
~ Chinese Proverb

by T.P. Grant on Sep 14, 2011 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

He also was a “purple shirt” under Eddie yet a blue belt under Keith Owen and when he actually showed to a tournament he got f’n handled in the blue belt division… badly.

Bolden has the ability to be a good teacher as far as being articulate and explaining things well but he jumped to teaching before actually knowing the shit well enough to be doing so.

-AboveThisFire

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

by Patrick Tenney on Sep 14, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know Ari personally

but I’m friends/training partners with one of Ari’s close friends. I don’t want to post information from personal conversations, but suffice to say that based on the answers to questions I’ve asked have basically lead me to the conclusion that Ari is actions were not malicious and he admits it was a big mistake. I will say in Ari’s defense he never claimed a BJJ black belt though clearly his early videos give the impression he was when he in fact wasn’t.

aka BuckeyedBear34

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
~ Napoleon Bonaparte

Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself
~ Chinese Proverb

by T.P. Grant on Sep 14, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should be clear.

Mr. Broussard did not merely ‘take a look at it,’ he straight edited it for me. In like a sitting. Man’s a beast.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Sep 13, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

YES!

tito commentating quote. I almost picked that one too.

"Here we are with Seraldo Babalu, you did an awesome job, saw why you’re a black belt in jiu-jitsu, getting an awesome submission there, I want to tell me what you see, let’s go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito (the Head) Ortiz - Great Commentator, or Greatest Commentator.

by El Pablo Diablo on Sep 13, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh ..my ....gawd

I have thought this before…… I just never knew how to say it. The win in this statement …. There is just sooo much.

"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."

" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com

by the-gentle-way on Sep 13, 2011 5:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

We might want to include a section on Cats and Kittens as well

Dear Brock Lesnar,
Please beat Alistair Overeem. That is all.
Sincerely, Me

by Earl Montclair on Sep 13, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very important stuff.

The Internets: Where there are no girls and men become children.

by Unabomberman on Sep 13, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did somebody say kittens

"Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes" Groucho Marx

by KimboLeopoldo on Sep 14, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And a section on Game of Thrones gifs

"You're one microscopic cog in his catastrophic plan, Designed and directed by his red right hand"

by brad23 on Sep 13, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

To the new folk:

If you wanna avoid countless headaches and broken screen monitors, avoid taking rankings and blogs (like this one) too seriously.

I’ve never considered myself as a legend – just a simple man with heart.

by Chorongota on Sep 13, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow, great work man! One small suggestion, maybe you could have picked a more informative headline so that it reaches its intended audience. I wasn’t sure what to expect when I clicked on it. Maybe something roughly like “New to MMA and Bloody Elbow? Check this post for history, links, etc!”.

Overall great post though!

by Horselover Fat on Sep 13, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow, this is fantastic.

AKA zakkree. Twitter.
K-1 Level Predictions Team Captain
Conductor and sole passenger on the Fitch bandwagon.

by Zachary Kater on Sep 13, 2011 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post!

And where would we be without someone posting about how we should use the rec button?

The only thing I feel you missed that is very important, is videos. I think most of us on here have viewed numerous movies, docs, etc and they truly help show history of the sport. Everyone should chime in here with your favorites, but I will get us started…

-Never Back Down
-Never Back Down 2
-The Karate Kid (The Will Smith spawn version, not the crappy original!)

Ok, just kidding. Here we go…

-Renzo Gracie Legacy. Imo, the best by far. I absolutely love the scene where the riot gets started.
-Choke. While I felt it was overrated, it was still great.
-The Smashing Machine. While it is a few years old, the subject matter may have never been more relevant than it is today.

These are pretty obvious. What are some others gang?

by BJJDenver on Sep 13, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

And where would we be without someone posting about how we should use the rec button?

Wow, that came across totally wrong after I read it. Just forget it is there, lol.

by BJJDenver on Sep 13, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the hell does Sam Rockwell have to do with MMA?

"So even though it’s the gayest sport ever, MMA is still the best sport ever. I love my gay sport." - Wrestling Uber Alles
"If your [BJJ] training involves any part of you or training equipment inside any of your partner’s orifices, you’re doing it wrong." - gzl5000

by alicks on Sep 13, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reverse suggestion.

Though it pretends to be some kind of documentary about MMA and “cage-fighting”, don’t ever, ever watch Rage in the Cage.

"So even though it’s the gayest sport ever, MMA is still the best sport ever. I love my gay sport." - Wrestling Uber Alles
"If your [BJJ] training involves any part of you or training equipment inside any of your partner’s orifices, you’re doing it wrong." - gzl5000

by alicks on Sep 13, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked Redbelt

although I feel they should have stuck with the working title “The Gary Shaw Story”.

by B Money on Sep 13, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Choke, as in the movie adaptation of the Chuck Palahniuk novel?

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Sep 13, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

As in the Rickson Gracie documentary that turns out to be partially about Yuki Nakai and how uber badass he is.

-AboveThisFire

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by Patrick Tenney on Sep 13, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha, I will have to see this.

Is it on Netflix you think?

And yes, Yuki Naki is a fucking legend

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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 13, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure it’s on Netflix but it is floating around the internet in various places.

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If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

by Patrick Tenney on Sep 13, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the book, but the movie sucked :(

by Horselover Fat on Sep 13, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't that bad, I didn't think.

It’s just hard to live up to the book. As a stand alone movie, i’d probably give it 2.5 stars

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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 13, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was severe letdown to me, especially considering the superb adaptation of “Fight Club” (which is admittedly a very high standard to set). Choke the movie just lacked all of the dark and grimness of the book, if you get what I’m saying. It was just strange and inappropriate to see it as some regular comedy / drama flick, did not like it.

Choke, the Renzo Gracie documentary, I can fully recommend however!

by Horselover Fat on Sep 13, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Sam Rockwell in Choke was too… nice? He wasn’t nearly as much of a dirt bag in the movie as he was in the book.

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by alicks on Sep 13, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s hard for Palahniuk’s satire to fully translate into a movie. I agree though, the movie was nowhere near as jaded as the book.

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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 13, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scratch that, I confused the names for the Rickson and Renzo movies. I haven’t seen “Choke” which is about Rickson, but Renzo Gracie: Legacy is indeed very great.

by Horselover Fat on Sep 13, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked it.

but I think it’s the sort of thing that would be better if you had read the book first… Plus, I didn’t like how they changed the ending, reportedly cause of budget constraints.

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 13, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats the first thnig I thought of.

I have read ever Palahniuk book in existence.

"Here we are with Seraldo Babalu, you did an awesome job, saw why you’re a black belt in jiu-jitsu, getting an awesome submission there, I want to tell me what you see, let’s go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito (the Head) Ortiz - Great Commentator, or Greatest Commentator.

by El Pablo Diablo on Sep 13, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha yep basicly

Vonnegut rip off

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by RolloTomasi on Sep 13, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Vonnegut rip off? Hardly. Palahniuk’s characters are cleverly developed, and represent different ridiculous pop culture issues. I never felt the same kind of satirical punch in the face in Slaughterhouse 9 as I did in Fight Club, Survivorman, etc

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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 13, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate his catty tone and inability to say anything except “everything here is bad.” It’s kind of amusing at first, but after 200 pages it gets really tiresome. And he doesn’t “develop” his characters so much as make them vomit clever-sounding one-liners.

But one of his books led to Fight Club the movie, which I’m grateful for. I liked that movie a lot.

by crazybones on Sep 13, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

To each their own,

I enjoy Chuck’s books. I don’t think they’re literary masterpieces or anything, but they’re entertaining and witty.

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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 13, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

true.

I need to start reading his other books more… I haven’t read his new one either… I kinda slowed down since real life work and BE work started taking most of my time. haha

by Anton Tabuena on Sep 13, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn't finish Pygmy. I liked the idea, but the narrator's "voice" was so incredibly irritating I had to stop 50 pages in.

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by alicks on Sep 14, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haven't bought that one yet.

You’re saying it’s not so good?

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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 14, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The concept behind the book was neat.

But the entire thing is written in broken English (the narrator’s supposed to be a North Korean/Chinese/something sleeper agent), so I found it tough to get through.

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by alicks on Sep 15, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reminds me of "Their eyes were watching God"

Most of the dialogue is written in thick southern dialect. To be fair, it helps to read it out loud with an accent.

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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 15, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love BE because of threads like this when Vonnegut gets a nod on an MMA site.

Also for the multiple times schadenfreude has been casually tossed into a post (usually by Kid Nate or Fagan). What a brilliant f-ing word that is.
It reflects the stereotype-defying company I choose to watch MMA with.

"Maybe I’m old-fashioned, but it seems to me that when the giant who holds up the Earth dies, we are screwed!"

by AwkwardwithwordmakingisGoldberg,huhJoe on Sep 13, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just Bleed

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by RolloTomasi on Sep 13, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That was Hemingway's last book, right?

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by AwkwardwithwordmakingisGoldberg,huhJoe on Sep 14, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

No that was "Shotgun Headache"

Just Bleed was a Twain short story IIRC.

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by RolloTomasi on Sep 14, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, that's right.

You know, I heard Cobain was heavily influenced by the later work of Hemingway…

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by AwkwardwithwordmakingisGoldberg,huhJoe on Sep 14, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The blood spatter was almost an identical match....

Dexter Morgan was the LFI on that one…

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by RolloTomasi on Sep 14, 2011 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

BLOOD NEVER LIES

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by AwkwardwithwordmakingisGoldberg,huhJoe on Sep 14, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hobo with a shotgun?

"Here we are with Seraldo Babalu, you did an awesome job, saw why you’re a black belt in jiu-jitsu, getting an awesome submission there, I want to tell me what you see, let’s go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito (the Head) Ortiz - Great Commentator, or Greatest Commentator.

by El Pablo Diablo on Sep 14, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAHA

Seriously. You think Palahnuik was better at satire than Kurt fucking Vonnegut?

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by Neil Manich on Sep 14, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I was a bit dumbfounded too.

One of the iconic writers of all time
Vs a grumpy closet case who writes the same book over and over again.

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by RolloTomasi on Sep 14, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never felt the same kind of satirical punch in the face in Slaughterhouse 9 as I did in Fight Club, Survivorman, etc

Did you mean Slaughterhouse 5 and Survivor? Can you even read? I’m onto you, you fraud! I bet you just text-to-speech everything on BE, don’t you?! Ha!

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by alicks on Sep 14, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's Slaughter-House Five.

Ice-9 is from Cat’s Cradle. Either book is better than anything CP has put out. Great humor, well-constructed ideas, and a total lack of pretension.

Read: http://www.avclub.com/articles/15-things-kurt-vonnegut-said-better-than-anyone-el,1858/

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by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 15, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh, whatever; everybody just needs to read Cormac McCarthy and The Ice and Fire books.

For realz.

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by Patrick Tenney on Sep 14, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same thought I had

I got tired of his books pretty quickly, though I did like Choke.

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by Farthammer on Sep 13, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nailed it

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by Neil Manich on Sep 14, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

legacy : its worth it just for the Relson stories.

They are always hilarious.

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by the-gentle-way on Sep 13, 2011 5:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This is good and fun

I like this.

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by Charles Awad on Sep 13, 2011 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Awesome post!

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by dgonz on Sep 13, 2011 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Too bad Fanposts can't be made sticky

Guess we’ll have to take turns in reccing this so it stays up….

by Bilderman on Sep 13, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing about this.

Unfortunately, once it hits 5 recs, it goes to the top of the recommended ones until others that were posted more recently receive 5 recs. So the only way for all of our BE Civil War posts and other newer ones to not bury it is if he reposted it, or a staff member was nice enough to accidentally edit the time that it was authored. If I were him, I’d definitely at least make a link to it in his sig to plug it every time he comments.

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by Zachary Kater on Sep 13, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t read this yet but I’m going to go ahead and rec just for A History of Violence.

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The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

by Patrick Tenney on Sep 13, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok just read it, great post, mandatory intro reading for newbies.

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The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

by Patrick Tenney on Sep 13, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I skimmed it as it isn't meant for me,

but what I saw so far was well done. If I find more time later I’ll read it over all the way. A fair bit of work and well done for the community.

by Empty Thoughts on Sep 13, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I hate your post

Because it knocked Saunder’s “Lets Mutherfukers” off the recommended FanPosts.

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by Chris Hall on Sep 13, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I take it back, this is a quality post

But it still makes me sad

:p - orcus

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by Chris Hall on Sep 13, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quality.

That is all.

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by iiowyn on Sep 13, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow. This was truly informative. It believe the staff should save this and repost it on the frontpage after the Cain/Dos Santos fight.

by John Nash on Sep 13, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup.

What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.

by lowellthehammer on Sep 13, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly...
But, I read enough to be impressed, and my rec is yours.

by skeebop on Sep 13, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice job on this!

Having done some similar beginner’s primer stuff for a small MA forum a while back, I can appreciate the effort. Well done.

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by kenpoboy67 on Sep 13, 2011 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent work

But A History of Violence was such overrated garbage. In my opinion.

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by David Castillo on Sep 13, 2011 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

The intro and first half was awesome. When he finally settled things with Harris it quickly walked off the the cliff.

by John Nash on Sep 13, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

:(

Are you generally a Cronenberg fan? If not that may be why you didn’t care for it

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by Patrick Tenney on Sep 13, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cronenberg

makes movies that I find interesting rather than objectively good. I’m not sure what that means either. I just know Videodrome, The Fly (which was great), Scanners were all interesting, but with AHOV, I just found everything hilariously hamfisted, and lame. Even worse, critics somehow thought it was “deep” or some shit.

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by David Castillo on Sep 14, 2011 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh to each their own, I tend to love the absurdity of most of his films and I dig the way he explores a lot of characters through hyperbolic actions. Eastern Promises, VideoDrome, Crash, The Fly, etc all great.

In fact I think I’ve loved every film he’s done since Scanners, every so often I just need to watch an over the top movie and Cronenberg always delivers that; he’s like a Tarantino who puts together original pieces instead of mashing together a thousand sources into an original story.

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The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

by Patrick Tenney on Sep 14, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff, but I would have thrown in Gracie Breakdown in there for the technique stuff

Their video breakdowns are awesome and they come right after a card so you remember stuff instead of just looking up random submissions and such.

by HaterSlayer on Sep 13, 2011 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post! Except...

“The other grappling website I’ve gotten mileage from is Submissions 101…I won’t endorse or attack the 10th planet specific technique series. That said, many of the other videos are undeniably top notch. Good production, breakdowns, and a wide variety of techniques displayed.”

By “other videos,” do you mean non-10th-Planet videos? I always thought that Subs 101 was all done by Ari Bolden, which is, to say, it shouldn’t be watched. Every Ari technique that is worth teaching is taught 1000x better by someone else on YouTube.

Your comparison of Eddie to Joseph Smith was great, btw.

by beeran on Sep 13, 2011 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Ari Bolden is fucking garbage.

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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 13, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

…why I wanted clarification.

by beeran on Sep 13, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

what a load of kak. I ari bolden while not the worlds best teacher is definitely no slouch. I’ve some of the techniques myself. The also features JJJ as well as BJJ material.

by Oneman on Sep 13, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The funny thing is that I actually believe you are Ari Bolden,

but that’s because I imagine his writing is as shitty as his grappling!

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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 13, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Whatever you say, guy...

Go watch his comp videos and tell me he’s no slouch. Not that a guy has to be a comp god to be a good teacher, but…well, he’s a crap teacher too, and worst of all, he is a proven fraud.

Point is, if you are learning stuff from YouTube, look up Robson Moura, Marcelo Garcia, Draculino…watching Subs 101 videos is like eating from a dumpster when someone’s handing out In-n-Out burgers across the street.

by beeran on Sep 14, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

People who watch Sub101 really just need to go and subscribe to MGinaction, it would change their internet jiu jitsu lives.

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by Patrick Tenney on Sep 14, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

MGinaction FTW

Marcello is the man

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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 14, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

This should be front paged

archived and made a permanent link somewhere. Along with a rules section.

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by Cory Braiterman on Sep 13, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Big ups

Fantastic effort here.

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by bobby g on Sep 13, 2011 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Front paged!

(And I had to edit your headline to make more sense long-term)

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by Brent Brookhouse on Sep 13, 2011 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Brookhouse'd

:p - orcus

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by Chris Hall on Sep 13, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

"beard-in-chief"

I genuinely lol’ed. Nice stuff.

by Sqwibbs on Sep 13, 2011 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

awesome stuff man

honored to be mentioned!

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by T.P. Grant on Sep 13, 2011 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

oh yes and
I myself prefer the erudition, elitism, and Game of Thrones gifs that are the core of the thriving BE community.

hell yes.

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by T.P. Grant on Sep 14, 2011 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck yeah. Now if only I hadn’t of gone and immediately read every book after watching the show so I now have to wait for the dude to actually write another one…

/sigh, and at the rate he apparently writes I’ll wait forever. Damnit.

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If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

by Patrick Tenney on Sep 14, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

I actually read “all” the books about 10 years ago. At the time there were only 3. How many are there now?

by Sqwibbs on Sep 14, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

5, I think

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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 14, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need to read the rest, but I think I'll start the series over.

I hadn’t thought of the books in a long time, and I hadn’t heard they were making a show. Then I saw the Iron Throne on the back of playboy and I thought," that’s weird, that looks just like the Iron Throne from GoT." Upon closer inspection of the ad I realized it WAS the Iron Throne, to which I exclaimed “LETS MUTHERFUCKERS!!” and immediately added HBO to my subscription.

by Sqwibbs on Sep 14, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really want to read them, too.

Especially since season 2 isn’t until NEXT FUCKING SPRING. AAAAAARRRGGGGGHHHHHH

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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 14, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

same boat

I’ve only finished the first book and my pleasure reading time is getting thin, but I’m eyeing that second book.

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by T.P. Grant on Sep 14, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is fabulous.

Great work!

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by KatGirl on Sep 13, 2011 6:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Well done.

A PDF version of this would be pretty awesome for new members.

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by rkilla on Sep 13, 2011 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Well done sir

I’d like to add Sam Sheridans other MMA book Fighters Mind to the list its damn good intereviews with KenFlo Randy Coture Andre Ward and a tone of other fighters from various sports.

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by MaZZacare on Sep 13, 2011 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

This really should be a permanent link on the front page.

by crazybones on Sep 13, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I lol'd
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Please beat Alistair Overeem. That is all.
Sincerely, Me

by Earl Montclair on Sep 13, 2011 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

sadface

You guys don’t like me anymore?

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by Brian Hemminger on Sep 13, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's never you Hemmi

Dear Brock Lesnar,
Please beat Alistair Overeem. That is all.
Sincerely, Me

by Earl Montclair on Sep 13, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahh

The old “it’s not you, it’s me” mind trick. It worked I feel much better now!

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by Brian Hemminger on Sep 13, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was more in the boat of "it's not us, it's ViolentMike and dead cats"

:)

Dear Brock Lesnar,
Please beat Alistair Overeem. That is all.
Sincerely, Me

by Earl Montclair on Sep 13, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bunch of

The Internets: Where there are no girls and men become children.

by Unabomberman on Sep 13, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

niiiiiiiiiiiice

"Here we are with Seraldo Babalu, you did an awesome job, saw why you’re a black belt in jiu-jitsu, getting an awesome submission there, I want to tell me what you see, let’s go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito (the Head) Ortiz - Great Commentator, or Greatest Commentator.

by El Pablo Diablo on Sep 13, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

typical

you guys always have to measure dicks. It’s cool. It is really nice when the staff gets in on it too. Oh wait, those comments have all disappeared. God knows they can’t be made to look foolish. SMH.

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by Deuce02 on Sep 14, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not gonna lie. Busy at work here, so not enough time to read everything in here,

but from the 50% I did read, it was excellent. Good work man.

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by pud333 on Sep 13, 2011 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

If you're new to MMA

Please ask questions. Seriously, I’ve always had a knack for teaching/explaining/discussing/debating. Most people here would love to explain to you the intricacies of the sport, why Paul Daley is a douchenozzle, or why exactly BROCKLESNAR!!!! is the greatest fighter to have ever lived.

Seriously, come hang out with us. Post some “HOLY SHIT!!!!” ‘s after a crazy knockout in the Live Threads for each event. We’re fun people. We like alcohol, nicknames, making fun of each other, and cats.

The biggest part of becoming a fan is just watching fights. Watch as many as you can. I recommend the UFC Ultimate 100 Fights for starters, but there are a dozen promotions out there, past and present, that have some amazing fights. Get to know those organizations. We tend to rag on Strikeforce now, but most people have awesome memories from the cards they put on. Come join us for an awesome stream of a quasi-local event. Its all fun times here. Reading and discussing with others will help make you an awesome fan. My first PPV was UFC 100. But when I do a sport, I do it big. So I mindlessly obsessed until I had optimal knowledge. This sport is fantastic and so is this site. Come hang out.

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by Tim Bernier on Sep 13, 2011 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I really hope I am missing something with the kittens. Please tell me I am missing something.

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by Deuce02 on Sep 14, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

47 Rec's, Damn. Is that a REC-ord?

HAAAAAAAAAAAA

"Here we are with Seraldo Babalu, you did an awesome job, saw why you’re a black belt in jiu-jitsu, getting an awesome submission there, I want to tell me what you see, let’s go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito (the Head) Ortiz - Great Commentator, or Greatest Commentator.

by El Pablo Diablo on Sep 13, 2011 8:18 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

and counting......

This is a awesome post. great work X 100.

by itsnotthatserious on Sep 13, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

4
There are three combat sister sites to BE, HeadKickLegend (aka HKL), BadLeftHook (aka BLH) and MMAMania (aka garbage).

www.galsguidetomma.com

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by RolloTomasi on Sep 13, 2011 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Gals Guide would more literally be a sister site, such an omission! Rundownloser will score very low as a Panty Dropper of the week for this gaffe.

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by krcampbell on Sep 13, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

If only college professors could whittle things down to the essentials this way…. great article.

.....

by Scabby Knuckle on Sep 13, 2011 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Forgot to mention the cancerous "An Open Letter To..." posts

Look out!

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by AwkwardwithwordmakingisGoldberg,huhJoe on Sep 13, 2011 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Amen

Roth is cool, but those suck balls.

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by RolloTomasi on Sep 13, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I started watching Game of Thrones because of BE

I recommend all of you who haven’t seen it yet to do the same.

'No I don't need a fucking coaster' - Luke Thomas

by Well Read Idiot on Sep 14, 2011 1:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I heard about it from BE too.

Luckily, it was already at the 9’th episode, so I just went on a rampage watching it free on demand. Slogged through that shit in a single weekend

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by ElliotMatheny on Sep 14, 2011 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I got in at the perfect time

Started watching on demand with just enough time to see it all before the finale

:p - orcus

Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher

by Chris Hall on Sep 15, 2011 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exact same here.

Watched eps. 1-9 over the weekend, and then saw the finale when it premiered. I re- watched the whole thing on demand a few weeks later, haha.

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Sep 15, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

read all the books, do it. do it now.

-AboveThisFire

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by Patrick Tenney on Sep 14, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

no srsly do it now. RIGHT NOW.

-AboveThisFire

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

If I live in a castle and you want to kill me, storming the gates is probably not the best idea. You'd do a lot better hitting me in the head with a brick when I come out for the mail. -Ryan Hall

by Patrick Tenney on Sep 14, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will buy the books

I have been looking for a good new series for awhile. Thanks!

Hope the show hasn’t ruined them for me!

'No I don't need a fucking coaster' - Luke Thomas

by Well Read Idiot on Sep 14, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

the show is pretty loyal to the first book

but the first season is only the first book

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by T.P. Grant on Sep 14, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm on the 3rd book now and it's awesome

And the series doesn’t ruin the first book at all. There’s so much more depth to the characterization that knowing some of the key points doesn’t ruin the book, just adds anticipation.

:p - orcus

Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher

by Chris Hall on Sep 15, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I stalled in the 3rd book.

Just lost interest all of a sudden.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Sep 15, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

subject line

El Santo inspired me to be a submission grappler.

by Enmascarado on Sep 15, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm considering getting netflix just to watch it.

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Sep 15, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never seen The Wire.

Or Lebowski.

"So even though it’s the gayest sport ever, MMA is still the best sport ever. I love my gay sport." - Wrestling Uber Alles
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by alicks on Sep 15, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

People either love Lebowski, or don't get it at all. Generally.

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Sep 15, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is there to get?

A stoner is mistakenly identified, and just wants a new rug for the one that got pissed on. What stems from this is pure gold.

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by Zachary Kater on Sep 15, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I think,

but some people just don’t think it’s funny at all. We call these people dead inside, but still.

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Sep 15, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude.................WTF!!!

Seriously.

Learn JiuJitsu.
Jimmy McNulty wannabe.

by RolloTomasi on Sep 16, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry?

"So even though it’s the gayest sport ever, MMA is still the best sport ever. I love my gay sport." - Wrestling Uber Alles
"If your [BJJ] training involves any part of you or training equipment inside any of your partner’s orifices, you’re doing it wrong." - gzl5000

by alicks on Sep 16, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Well I’m glad this was well received. More importantly, I’m glad you folks actually put forth a bunch of good ideas in the comments. I was thinking about updating this post with the feedback you guys gave and then reposting the resulting article after the Velasquez/Dos Santos fight. That, or I would just edit this one up something fierce and leave a link in my sig.

Denver’s idea about documentaries is a good one. Guess I’ll have to rent some movies. Also, I’ll remove mention of Sub101. If Tenney, Matheny, et. al aren’t fans, he probably sucks pretty hard. I’ll admit I’ve actually learned stuff from that website, but then again, I’m only a new blue belt and still end up modifying his stuff a lot. I’ll have to get another website to put up for that section.

Additionally, my apologies on forgetting about Gals Guide. I’m so old I have to remind myself that WKR and MMA for Real don’t exist anymore, so newer sites like Gals Guide routinely fly under my radar. After taking a look, it’s seems pretty cool, but I’ll have to visit it a little more before I write anything about it.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Sep 15, 2011 5:52 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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