Sure I'm excited about Jon Jones vs Rampage Jackson at UFC 135, but the fight I'm dying to see remains Jones vs Anderson Silva. Read it at MMA Nation.
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I just can't fathom why.
Match-ups where a guy is going up in weight aren’t interesting if the guy with the size advantage also has a massive wrestling advantage. Jones would ragdoll Andy. Boo-urns.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 12, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions
Probably.
Reach, size, strength. It wouldn’t be very pretty. I already get ill thinking about what he did to Shogun.
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by menckenstein on Sep 12, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Jon Jones'
wrestling, reach, size and strength still wont be enough for Anderson’s skill.
by MaximumWatermelon on Sep 12, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
that’s why Brock Lesnar vs JDS would be such an easy win for Brock.
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1) Brock isn’t an amazing MMA wrestler, he’s a big strong guy with a decent double and lots of holes in his game. Jones is a hundred times the MMAist that Brock is.
2) JDS isn’t a LHW.
3) JDS is an excellent scrambler, whereas Anderson never has been.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 12, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
JDS has very good TDD, Anderson does not
"Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be men of courage; be strong." - 1 Corinthians 16:13
Getting taken down by Henderson, Chael, and…I guess Lutter doesn’t automatically mean that you have garbage tdd. Didn’t Okami manage to get Marquardt on his back? But he couldn’t do it to Andy and he tried.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Sep 12, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Apples and oranges.
(and why be a smart-ass?)
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by MMArazorback on Sep 12, 2011 3:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I dont understand why people dont want to see this
Andy physically is a 205er. Jones isnt going to hw anytime soon. The size thing is just an excuse. It should happen and I would pick Silva for the same reason I think Machida gives bones issues.
What reason is that?
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Couture is old, Tito is old and isn't much of an MMA wrestler these days,
and Rashad was only striking with him because he had the worst gameplan of all time.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 12, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Lyoto has great hips and balance though
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Saying he has a propensity for destroying wrestlers is a bit disingenuous though.
He beat two old wrestlers and a wrestler that didn’t shoot on him once.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 12, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure
But I do think that on paper he looks like a great anti-wrestler. With his great sense of spacing, good clinch work, and hips.
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Uhgreed.
I like a Machida/Jones match-up.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 12, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Tito wasnt nearly as washed up then
Rashad was striking because Machidas known take down defense.
Yes. Yes he was.
Hell that was before he had surgery so he might have been worse at that time than he is now.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 12, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
spinal fusion surgery is a preventative one
Your worse for getting it but long term prevents further complications. It isnt an knee scope.
I kind of disagree with both points there
Rashad was striking because he and Winklejohn fell in love with his knockout power after the Chuck fight. Not because he was afraid he couldn’t take him down or anything. People aren’t usually afraid they can’t land a takedown so they choose to not try and get knocked out instead.
And Tito wasn’t completely shot like he is now, but he was well past his best.
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I agree with this point
But i do think Machidas rep preceded him
Since when Silva has shown a propensity for absolutely destroying wrestlers?
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Besides Okami, Hendo
And the one time he fought Chael with a broke rib.
With the exception of the Okami fight (which was pretty much zero percent contested on the ground), none of those fights had Anderson Silva “destroying” anyone.
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Let alone "absolutely destroying" them.
Sonnen gave Anderson fits and Henderson took that first round.
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He destroyed Hendo.
Clinging to your opponent for a round does not mean you are competitive with him.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Sep 12, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said it was a good first round.
But Hendo managed to take him down and cling to him and not get “absolutely destroyed”. If Hendo can do that much, I’d imagine (yeah, conjecture!) that Bones could do the same, but worse.
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lol wut
He made Hendo eat leather. Probably would of tko’d him but het fancy. Okami, Hendo, Chael are the 3 best wrestlers by far in that division.
Chael is a great wrestler, the other two are not.
Says more about the MW division than those fighters.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 12, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Hendo is a decorated olympic wrestler
And wrestled as a national champion as late as 2000. Thats not a skill you forget and Chael was roided as hell.
The weirdest thing about Hendo
Is that he’s a wrestler, and a good one too. An animal in the clinch. But the way you beat him is by taking him down. The Shields fight wasn’t even close for four rounds. Lawal is by all indications a worse fighter than Henderson, but if Lawal fought Hendo he would fucking murder him.
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Its revolves around his gameplan
if he respects ur striking like Page, Feijao Silva he will put that greco to good use. He just came with ahorrible plan for jake and bad condition.
At this stage of his career Hendo is a brawler, not really a wrestler.
I mean he has credentials but his MMA wrestling is nothing to write home about. Okami’s grappling is good but his offensive wrestling game has never, ever been impressive. Chael is an amazing wrestler.
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by lowellthehammer on Sep 12, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If Anderson has a weakness
It’s definitely wrestling.
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Its Hendo's gameplan
If he respects a striker he will use his weestling. Rampage, silva, and Feijao he put the clinch game and throws to great use. His top game isnt devastating like Chael tho. I think he completely underestimated Shields tho.
It’s not just size. It’s Jones’ size combined with his amazing wrestling and ground game that makes this match-up uninteresting. It’s be one thing if Silva had great, or even very good TDD, but he does not. Against a guy like Jones, it’s not even a question of where this fight ends up.
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I don't think Andy's ever fought at a reach disadvantage.
Let alone a 6" reach disadvantage. That means this stuff goes right out the window.
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Barboza had 6 inch reach advantage over Pearson, and Ross still managed to outstrike him (outland, at least). Consider that Jones isn’t the striker Pearson is and Silva is a lot better than Barboza.
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by dancingChicken on Sep 12, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying that reach is everything.
It just seems to me like a lot of Anderson’s game is built on having a reach advantage. Add to that the fact that if Anderson gets inside Jones’s reach, he still has the clinch takedowns to worry about.
"So even though it’s the gayest sport ever, MMA is still the best sport ever. I love my gay sport." - Wrestling Uber Alles
"If your [BJJ] training involves any part of you or training equipment inside any of your partner’s orifices, you’re doing it wrong." - gzl5000
His game is mostly base on distance and timing. It’s not like he jabs people a’la Klitschko.
Check out how he closes the distance a lot greater than his reach, by extending his whole body (it sounds stupid, but I don’t have the right words at the moment)
Also take into consideration that Jake O’Brien was landing jabs and hooks on Jones (Jones improved since then, but still…)
"... All reined up in old language and old assumptions, straining to jump clean-hoofed on to a whole new track of being I only suspect is there. I can't see it, because my educated, average head is being held at the wrong angle..."
by dancingChicken on Sep 12, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones put his hand on Shogun’s head like he was a little kid trying to grab some candy from him. I think Andy would get destroyed. His guard is overrated and Jones would destroy his face with elbows.
by mountaineers101 on Sep 12, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions
Look at how much bigger Jones is in that picture
Damn
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fact is Bones will be that much bigger than everyone he faces
That is no reason to not make a fight when the spider has the best combined talent and size of any potential bones opponent.
Nonsense.
Cain Velasquez.
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Obviously at this point thats not going to happen
Bones needs to clean out 205 first. He has a long way.
…the spider has the best combined talent and size of any potential bones opponent.
Cain qualifies as “any potential bones opponent” in my book.
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In the scope of reality
Obviously if I had a wet dream fight it would be jds vs bones. You migh as well mention Bj Penn vs bones at this point
can we please
let this guy defend his title first jesus christ
same shit with machida
oh man machida vs silva would be epic
machida is undefeated never lost a round never been dropped etc,etc, etc,
won a fight everyone said he lost and then got put to sleep in rmeatch
I'm with P!
Are u down with P?
But from what I can tell:
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Jones is a wild striker but that’s not to say that he doesn’t use any skills or tactics. It’s just that his long reach gives him an amazing advantage and lets him get away with strikes like that by being able to keep distance with those long limbs. I think if Jones didn’t have such a reach advantage, he wouldn’t be as wild or as daring as he is now, striking wise anyway because he would be countered much more often and harder as well. I’m sure he’d still be a great wrestler though.
i still want
gsp v. silva
and i believe if gsp wins the condit fight, it will happen. gsp knows he’s a unanimous #2 in the p4p polls and he’ll call him out. i think he’s been planning it for a while – that’s why nate marquardt moved down to ww.
i don’t have a real problem with jones v. silva but there is as much, if not more, of a size issue than with gsp and silva. and jones has a lot more work to do at LHW than GSP does at WW.
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