UFC 133: The Sweet Stench of Homophobia
by Mike Fagan on Aug 7, 2011 1:37 PM EDT
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I missed the reveal. I watch UFC PPVs on my computer (legally, to nip that point in the bud), and I'm usually checking Twitter or taking notes while fighters make their entrance into the arena. Which is unfortunate, because had I been watching when Joe Rogan said, "...and what an unfortunate choice of shorts," I probably would have laughed, both at the sight of Dennis Hallman's lavender shorts and the deadpan reaction from Rogan.
One man was not amused. UFC President Dana White tweeted, "WTF!!!! Fighting in that will be illegal after tonight! Anyone want to grapple with hallman?" Despite his touchy history with the queer community, I was willing to give Dana White the benefit of the doubt. I know as well as anyone that tone and nuance translate poorly on Internet, and there was enough ambiguity in the tweet (Seinfeldian in its use of the exclamation mark) to play the dreaded Homophobia Card.
Dana forced my hand, though, when he spoke to leading motorboat reporter Karyn Bryant. Here's Dana's full quote from that exchange:
"I'd call it disgusting. It was disgusting. I don't know how his cornermen- First of all, I'm pissed that someone that works for me let him come out with those on, number one. Number two, as a cornerman, how do you seriously [not] say, 'Dude, this might be a bad idea. You might not want to wear these out there. It was not good. It will never happen again. I can guarantee you that.
"I'm serious. I seriously gave Ebersole the $70,000 bonus. There were only three bonuses tonight. Tito/Rashad for fight of the night, and then Vitor for the KO of the night. That's it; there were no more bonuses. I gave him that bonus for getting that off television as fast as possible. And that's the truth.
"You don't want to remembered for that. That's the last thing you want to be remembered for is going out there and making people watch five minutes of that."
Emphasis mine.
"Making people watch five minutes of that." Five minutes of what exactly? What are we insinuating? Five minutes of Hallman's EXPOSED UPPER THIGH? (WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!) Or is it the five minutes of Hallman's dong resting in that little pouch in the front? (Because the bicycle shorts of Anderson Silva and Georges St. Pierre leave so much to the imagination.) And it's not like this sort of thing hasn't appeared in the UFC before, or have we forgotten Shonie Carter so quickly?
It would be one thing if White responded (hell, even with anger) that the UFC can't risk Hallman's dong popping out (in HD!) due to some sort of wardrobe malfunction. (It did, by the way. Obvious NSFW link.) That's a legitimate concern for a company trying to push its way into the mainstream.
But that wasn't the source of Dana's anger. It was the shorts themselves. Those skimpy, lilac Speedos. The same sort of attire that nearly every professional wrestler has worn for the last 50 years. Disgusting. Degenerate. Hallman should be ashamed of himself! Nevermind those scantily-clad women gingerly walking around the Octagon helping you count to three (or five). The UFC will not tolerate a man in briefs! And we'll reward the strange character that gets him off the television AS FAST AS HE CAN.
This is blatant homophobia. It made Dana White feel funny cageside, and Dana White does not like being made uncomfortable in his house. So Dana White responds in such a way as to fulfill every stereotype of MMA as a place for macho jock alpha male types. It's such a huge issue that the UFC went out of its way to choose all of four photos of the fight for the event gallery, all of which obscure Hallman's choice of attire.
Dana will have his defenders. He always does. And the credentialed media won't press the issue because he didn't go so far as to use unambiguous slurs. People will accuse me of hyperbole, the issue will fade into obscurity, and it won't be raised until he says something dumb and we repeat the cycle once again. Business as usual!
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Mike...Dennis' weiner fell out last night.
That’s embarrassing. Not homophobic. Just embarrassing.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 7, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
Did you not see the portion of the article that addressed this exact comment?
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 7, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
No...I just read the title.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 7, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Atta boy
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by Chris Hall on Aug 7, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
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by Neil Manich on Aug 7, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
Yea
I don’t see how in Dana’s response you can say he was hating on the shorts because he doesn’t like gay people. He was hating on the shorts because there was a high probability of a tube steak sighting on live tv. If me not wanting to see that makes me homophobic, then I guess I am as well.
Did you not see the portion of the article that addressed this exact comment?
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 7, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I read the article
Want to site what refutes my point instead of copy pasting all over this place like a troll?
by MemphisMike on Aug 7, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 18 recs
Ok, I'll site an article Mike Fagan wrote earlier today
It would be one thing if White responded (hell, even with anger) that the UFC can’t risk Hallman’s dong popping out (in HD!) due to some sort of wardrobe malfunction. (It did, by the way. Obvious NSFW link.) That’s a legitimate concern for a company trying to push its way into the mainstream.
But that wasn’t the source of Dana’s anger. It was the shorts themselves. Those skimpy, lilac Speedos. The same sort of attire that nearly every professional wrestler has worn for the last 50 years. Disgusting. Degenerate. Hallman should be ashamed of himself! Nevermind those scantily-clad women gingerly walking around the Octagon helping you count to three (or five). The UFC will not tolerate a man in briefs! And we’ll reward the strange character that gets him off the television AS FAST AS HE CAN.
BOOSH
And is it so irrational to draw the conclusion
That the reason he didn’t like the shorts is because Hallman’s dick was being covered up by a blue gum wrapper? To me, there’s nothing homophobic about what he said. Maybe if White said “I don’t want any of that gay shit on my shows” there would be a legit point. But I think most people viewing that display weren’t exactly loving his shorts choice
See
Rollo’s “Shonie Carter” post below. There was no huge issue at that point in UFC history.
So maybe MMA fans/Dana are only worried about seeing white dick?
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Not irrational
But I also think it’s fair to think that he hated the shorts (before the fight starte, by the way) because it was a tiny speedo and looked “gay”.
BOOSH
So you’re jumping to one conclusion over another. Dennis Hallman’s cock could have AND DID end up falling out and making an appearance on television last night. Meanwhile the UFC is still looking to get a new television deal. I would be pretty pissed about Hallman’s shorts too if I were in his position. Note that Dana White went on his rant after that happened. That he didn’t point out a wardrobe malfunction did occur may have simply been because he was hoping the mainstream media had missed it and he didn’t want to draw attention to the televised cock specifically (even though it will undoubtedly be on the internets indefinitely).
So yeah, if there isn’t something conclusively pointing to one conclusion over the other, I’m willing to give Dana White the benefit of the doubt here.
His tweet about the shorts went out as the fighters were entering the octagon
At least I think so; his tweet says “15 hours ago” which would be around 730pm? I may be wrong.
BOOSH
Did you not see the portion of the article that addressed this exact comment?
I’ll actually cite it for you:
One man was not amused. UFC President Dana White tweeted, “WTF!!!! Fighting in that will be illegal after tonight! Anyone want to grapple with hallman?” Despite his touchy history with the queer community, I was willing to give Dana White the benefit of the doubt. I know as well as anyone that tone and nuance translate poorly on Internet, and there was enough ambiguity in the tweet (Seinfeldian in its use of the exclamation mark) to play the dreaded Homophobia Card.
by Chromium on Aug 7, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Did you not see the portion of the article that addressed this exact comment?
by Grease S. Pieces on Aug 7, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Fucked up. here we go again.
Did you not see the portion of the article that addressed this exact comment?
You say this as if the article itself is irrefutable, like merely mentioning something has somehow covered all the bases. The audience doesn’t want to see balls fall out of some speedos. NOT wanting to see balls is homophobic? I didn’t hear Dana White saying anything about gayness.
Anybody who mentions speedos as being gay is exposing their own inner homophobe.
by Grease S. Pieces on Aug 7, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Or
How about that he was pissed because it is bad for business. This is a professional sport wanting to be taken seriously by mainstream America. Hallman’s shorts not only had the potential of penis-exposure, which it turned out to be actual penis-exposure, but they were ill-fitting and had no fight-related purpose. It was a circus show choice. And the color of the shorts is irrelevant. It was the fact that he couldn’t even keep his ass in the shorts long enough even walk into the cage. It was the fact the referee and Hallman were laughing because he was tucking his ass in moments before the fight started. I’m not a homophobe but I’m also not a homosexual either. I don’t pay $55 bucks to see P&A.
by MrLawBoy on Aug 7, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know what was also a circus show choice?
Ebersole’s chest hair.
Get that taken serious argument out of here.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 7, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Werd
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Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
I agree
But an arrow shaved into his chest hair isn’t going to cost the UFC ppv buys. Get that lack of knowledge and common sense out of here.
Really?
Cause I won’t watch a PPV where Hallman’s shorts are the chosen attire again. That’s one.
I won't miss you
And I really don’t think Dana will much either. People watch UFC events for entertainment. And if you are turned off by shorts that are just a couple inches shorter than Gustafson’s you should probably get called out on it.
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This won't convert new fans
Manscaping And A Mankini Helped MMA Reach Its Aesthetic Nadir At UFC 133
No one watches UFC—what with its bloody noses, sweaty chests, cauliflower ears—for beauty’s sake. No one would confuse Dana White with Donna Karan. But holy lord, things got ugly in one of the undercard fights last night.
Dennis Hallman, the man on your left, decided to wear a blue Speedo to accompany his bleached buzz. It’s too much. Our friend Spencer Hall reports that Hallman came out to “We Didn’t Start the Fire.” Even better.
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Ha!
Obviously Dana does care because of his reaction. He is running a business. Its bad for business. And its not the length of his shorts that’s the issue. They didn’t fit. His ass and his penis were falling out. That’s the issue. And if you are too moronic to understand that you should be called out for it.
by MrLawBoy on Aug 7, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know people say shit like that after every event
“I for one will not be paying fifty five dollars to see Rashad Evans do another one of his grapple fests.”
Or the best “I will never pay to watch GSP fight so safely again.”
GSP is the biggest star in the sport.
You’re overreacting.
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I'll never pay for a PPV period.
So I can still say all those things.
by Grease S. Pieces on Aug 7, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair to Dana
You should watch the video and not just read the quote. Bryant eggs him on basically. That is the context of the conversation. She didn’t ask him “what did you think of Hallman’s shorts” she asked “did you think it was disgraceful?”, to which he countered that it was disgusting. Dana was responding that he doesn’t want to be remembered for that when Bryant asked if he was trying to pull this stunt to get remembered. When you put things in block quotes like this it becomes easier to hate. I thought Dana sounded pretty reasonable. This whole thing seems like manufactured controversy over Dana (legitimately) wanting people to take mma seriously. That is not homophobic, its good sense from the president of Zuffa.
by Stiff Jab on Aug 7, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Compare it to his interview with Helwani
He says he wasn’t offended by it, just horrified. He then goes on to explain that a big part of it was Ebersole’s strong performance, but the short shorts didn’t hurt.
In all fairness the Octagon Girl's shorts aren't as revealing as what Hallman had on
So bringing that up is irrelevant or shows that Dana wasn’t being homophobic.
He didn’t say anything about Gustaffson’s trunks. Hallman’s trunks were attention whory and tasteless. He went over the line and I agree with Dana about that.
by HaterSlayer on Aug 7, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
This
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Also, women don’t have genitalia that would be in danger of slipping out of the same kind of trunks that Hallman wore.
They also don't have,
Huge female Camel toe, Beaver flashes, they aren’t dripping in sweat, and aren’t practicing their Back-Mount or North-South on each other so the comparison is an idiotic reach at sexism for a number of reasons….
by Matty Euripides Castourkas on Aug 8, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
He was making a joke for Christ sakes
He was as disturbed as the rest of us – I saw the godamn fight with my parents and I can tell you they weren’t afraid of homosexuals, they just thought the damn thing was indecent as hell! – and he took advantage of the opportunity to make a funny tweet and give a man who put on a great show extra money, which he does quite regularly if I need remind you.
And the Ring girl comparison is such demagoguery to play the sexist card. For the record, my mum and a ton of my female friends do find the ring girl bikinis annoying, but you don’t have tight camel toe, whereas Hallman most certainly had some camel tail action, and you don’t have them dripping in sweat going into north south, rear mount or full mount. It’s asinine to try and play off the disgust as homophobia when it’s clearly Dana turning what could be an offensive and awkward situation into a funny as hell tweet and more money to fighters.
Do you really think Dana would cut Hallman if he won – he already said in an interview that the speedo would not have anything to do with their final decision to keep or cut Hallman – and do you really think he’d throw away 70 grand if he didn’t think Ebersole deserved the bonus or if he eked out a boring decision – if you do than you must hold Dana’s esteem in higher regard than myself.
by Matty Euripides Castourkas on Aug 8, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I was in the bathroom of a Buffalo Wild Wings when he came out. I could tell something weird was going on because of the gusts of laughter coming from the restaurant.
The crotch bulge is inevitable with spandex, but when you are watching some guy’s schlong bouncing around during the prefight stretch it’s just weird and unpleasant. I’m not sure the guy had a cup on. Maybe that’s homophobia. The fact the guys dick actually popped out at one point pretty much gives the forces of homophobia the automatic win.
"an excellent example of why most MMA "journalism" is a joke. Pseudonyms like "toxic" and shitty writing like that dopey article"--- Joe Rogan.
He's required to wear a cup by the AC
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I cant believe this is coming from Fagan...
Homophobia….?
I dont even know what to say, but that is a huge reach.
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by MMArazorback on Aug 7, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 18 recs
I was going to make a Fāgan joke but it's too easy.
Way to be hyper sensitive Mike Fagan, jumping to conclusion much?
by malo on Aug 7, 2011 1:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The sweet stench of sensationalist journalism...
I would expect nothing less out of Fagan.
Not homophobia
Hallman was making a mockery of the sport on a big stage of cable TV. In the NFL, players get fined for minor deviations from uniform policy. And you link to the dong picture pretty much proves the point of why this was unacceptable.
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by thetakeover on Aug 7, 2011 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 18 recs
Did you not see the portion of the article that addressed this exact comment?
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 7, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
@Farthammer
I’m sorry is parroting all you’re capable of doing in an argument? Fagan seems like he was making a pretty huge leap that this was homophobia, or why “the shorts themselves” would mean homophobia. There are television executives right now waying the pros and cons of putting the UFC on their television network right now and the UFC is in contractual negotiations. If I were Dana White I would want to make it as clear as possible to any network Zuffa is in negotiations with that no, there will not be a cock popping out on your tv screen, this is a one-time occurrence and we are taking measures to ensure it will never happen again. I think Dana White is probably far more disgusted by millions of dollars being flushed down the drain than a penis.
by Chromium on Aug 7, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
Exactly!!!
What if Hallman had him in a triangle when his junk popped out? Do you think that is a good look for a company trying to get a TV deal?
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by 40 Cal. on Aug 7, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I did that to my gf once
I thought it was hilarious….she was not as amused
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by Chris Hall on Aug 7, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
This is the main point
What happens when they get on a major network and somebody comes out like this and their dong pops out? What do you think will happen? It’s better to nip it in the bud now and outlaw these things. Btw, it won’t just be the network that’s outraged. Anybody remember the Janet Jackson superbowl wardrobe malfunction? That had major implications across radio and tv.
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
I agree
The chest hair was bad too. But at least his penis didn’t fall out of his cup. And no one ever got fined for bad chest hair on TV, whereas CBS paid a lot for a janet Jackson’s partially obscured nipple.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Even before the fight started
Hall man was adjusting his shorts like he was picking a wedge. This is just gross behavior and has nothing to do with sexual preference.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
If bad chest hair was a cause for a fine. Kimbo would be living in the streets.
One thing is to say “We would like to avoid that type of attire because a dick slip on TV is too big a risk” is very different from “That’s disgusting”
It was disgusting
Picking a wedge on live tv when your shorts are too tight is disgusting.
Wearing shorts that allow most of your body to show is disgusting.
Having your genitals show on live tv is disgusting.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
Lilac
By the way, those shorts are blue, not purple.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
If Dana White fired a male fighter for dating another man, THAT would be homophobia
This is more like “inappropriate dress in the work place,” and is like a female lawyer showing up to work in a halter top and spandex.
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
But this is a totally acceptable thing to wear in the Octagon
Because fighters aren’t lawyers. So it’s nothing like your example.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 7, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep, it would be more akin to being fired for wearing a short sleeved shirt and tie instead of long sleeved.
“I don’t want to look at another man’s elbows. Disgusting.”
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Aug 7, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, that's a pretty good analogy.
Imagine if an executive showed up to a critical presentation wearing a short sleeve shirt, a bowtie, and khaki shorts. He might get fired for that.
As for Dana White, I;m pretty sure he’s homophobic, not because of the Hallman incident, but just because of his past exploits. I remember watching TUF one time and the fighters ended up in this 69 position for an uncomfortably long time. When I watched the replay later that evening, that segment of the fight had been edited out. So I’m sure the UFC is well aware of who their top demographic is, and it certainly contains some homophobes.
by Grease S. Pieces on Aug 7, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously, it's not an acceptable thing to wear in the Octagon
Of we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Apparently it's because Dana White and yourself have no sense of humor.
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Obviously that’s very much up for debate, or we actually wouldn’t be having this discussion.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Aug 7, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it's not up for debate
Dana is the boss. He said it was unacceptable.
If your boss told you to wear a tie everyday, would you consider that “up for debate”?
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Depends how long I'd worked there ;)
But that’s neither here nor there.
Dana isn't the boss
There are unified rules which govern what fight attire are acceptable.
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Dana is the Boss
He signs the checks. He hires and fires at will. He can award bonuses or withhold them on a whim. That’s what it is to be the boss.
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
But he doesn't make the unified rules.
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And
Boom goes the dynamite
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Yes, but the Unified Rulesd don't force Dana to employ fighters he doesn't like
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Firing somebody for a perfectly legal wardrobe choice is borderline sexual harassment
Admit this wasn’t a big deal man.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 7, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Honestly, I think it’s just a case of certain people’s insecurities making it a big deal.
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by Jack.Barrington on Aug 7, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
So now Dana is sexually harrassing Hallman?
Really? That’s just crazy.
Dana fires people for having the wrong management company, saying the wrong this about PED’s, or wearing the wrong shirt. It’s perfectly legal.
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Yes he fires people for business reasons like you just stated
This isn’t a business reason. It’s not illegal because when Hallman gets cut it’s going to be because he just got pounded out (heyo) by Dennis Hallman, not because he was wearing speedos. But if he won and got cut for this, that’d be some bowlshit.
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Dennis Hallman pounded himself out?
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
It isn't a big deal
So why make it one by making an article on it?
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
Sorry broham, no one can walk out onto Dana and Lorenzo’s stage with shorts that are intended to show off his junk and ass without expecting some negative reprecussions. If Dana says that sort of attaire damages the image and reputation of the company then his contracted labor will follow his guidelines or seek work elsewhere.
The shorts were unprofessional and obviously inadequate to the task.
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Aug 8, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So Dana is going to fire a guy because he doesn't like his short shorts.
Really?
I seriously fucking doubt it. Unless Dana has a problem with skimpily dressed men, that is.
Retaliation is related to nature and instinct, not to law. Law, by definition, cannot obey the same rules as nature. - Albert Camus
Considering ZUFFA keeps tight control over what gets advertised on the shorts
why do you think that fighters have the right to where whatever they want into the Octagon?
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
BECAUSE THE UNIFIED RULES FUCKING SAY WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE WORN.
Retaliation is related to nature and instinct, not to law. Law, by definition, cannot obey the same rules as nature. - Albert Camus
Yes this
Totally this. You have yourself in a bit of a hole here takeover.
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If the unified rules said he could fight dong out with little ads tattooed onto it...
I’m sure someone would have done it by now.
Retaliation is related to nature and instinct, not to law. Law, by definition, cannot obey the same rules as nature. - Albert Camus
Unified Rules
Do not protect a fighter from their employer.
Dana is free to hire and fire for whatever reason—not liking your haircut, for example.
There’s nothing in the Unified Rules about “Condom Depot,” but Dana doesn’t want that on the back of a fighter’s shorts either.
As an aside: What if Hallman had advertised Condom Depot on his blue penis pouch?
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Agreed
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Dana can add rules to his promotion that the Unified Rules don't cuver
Similar to how Strikeforce banned elbows to grounded opponents. So if he wants to ban those trunks he can since he’s the boss.
by HaterSlayer on Aug 7, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No sure he can
But there wasn’t a prior ban on this. That’s why I said earlier, I thought his tweet was fine. It looked like he got the joke and reacted appropriately.
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Dana is the boss. He said it was unacceptable.
If your boss told you to wear a tie everyday, would you consider that "up for debate"?
Abso-fuckin-lutely! I don’t know how some of you guys wiggle spinelessly through life letting your boss shit on you. Where I work, we actually have some sway cause my boss isn’t the only game in town and he actually needs us. Therefore, he tries to keep us happy.
by Grease S. Pieces on Aug 7, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it acceptable?
Like I said earlier, the fact that the guys dick popped out during the fight pretty much kills the pro-banana hammock argument in the cradle. Not to mention he apparently didn’t have a cup in that thing; I guess that the cup is optional but it his shorts increased the chances of some embarrassing youtube clips AND increased the chance of a bad injury. So yeah, not really appropriate.
"an excellent example of why most MMA "journalism" is a joke. Pseudonyms like "toxic" and shitty writing like that dopey article"--- Joe Rogan.
I don't think it's homophobia
It’s fair for Dana not to want Hallman’s dick hanging out in the middle of a fight.
Did you not see the portion of the article that addressed this exact comment?
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 7, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I just don't agree with the premiss
that Dana not liking Bikini shorts equals homophobia. It sounds like the reason he doesn’t like them is that something like a guys dick might pop out in the middle of a fight. I guess we can agree to disagree but I don’t see it as homophobic.
On a side note,
this was a bold post by Fagan and I have to admit I gained some respect for him for putting this opinion out there, even though I disagree.
Troll much?
And who the fuck keeps rec’ing this?
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
by halitosis on Aug 7, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think it says as much about Dana’s homophobia as it does about his assumption that that’s the mindset of the UFC audience. I’m guessing that for most people it was perhaps a little funny seeing a guy in a swimming suit a competitive swimmer might wear, but I think once the fight started it was a non-issue.
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Nice article. There has definitely been a strong element of homophobia in the reaction to this, even though I’m sure a lot of people will deny it.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
why is it homophobia to not want to see a dude's dick and balls?
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by mason_beer on Aug 7, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 25 recs
If you think all of the outrage stems from that one moment then you’re being wilfully ignorant.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Aug 7, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right
We should all appreciate Hallman’s offer to let us see most of his well sculpted body.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
by halitosis on Aug 7, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey I was watching this with a friend who's never seen a fight
He saw what Hallman was wearing and looked at me and said, “why should I take this sport seriously?”"
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by mason_beer on Aug 7, 2011 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
And yet you said he made the remark merely from seeing Hallman’s speedos. The fight hadn’t even started from the sounds of it.
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by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 7, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Still, the hairrow was cool
The shorts were funny for a minute. Then it just seemed weird.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
But he thought the other guy’s arrow shaved in his chest hair was totally cool, huh?
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by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 7, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it’s fun to trash Dana White and it’s even more fun to call him a bigot, but really, is it homophobic to not want to see that?
Not wanting to see Dennis Hallman in little more than his birthday suit does not equate to me hating gay people.
by Futz Brown on Aug 7, 2011 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 11 recs
Not wanting to see a dude in shorts? Yeah, it’s a little homophobic, bro.
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 7, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Mike thanks for this post...
It’s exactly what I’ve been thinking ever since this fight happened. Everyone at the bar I was at got a good chuckle at the beginning and then watched the fight like normal. It wasn’t until Dana and others started spreading their homophobic ideals over the media and internet that the conversation shifted.
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by mjanecek on Aug 7, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I was at a bar and it was funny, I didn’t even mind. It was hilarious, especially when he runs right at Ebersole grabbing him when the fight starts. And yeah, the humor comes from homosexual implications. And thats ok.
by Futz Brown on Aug 7, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Hallman was the homophobe
For dressing up in a way that is humorous because it looks “gay”
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There are a lot of things in MMA that “look gay”.
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by Jack.Barrington on Aug 7, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh?
Is that why he did it now? So those shorts were Hallman’s way of gay bashing?
by Worldisart on Aug 7, 2011 1:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You don't think Hallman was making a joke?
OK, why did he wear them then? You think those are really the best for athletic support?
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
I don’t doubt he was making a joke, what I do doubt is that he was making a joke about gay people – like you speculated.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Aug 7, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
What was the joke about then?
What was the basis for the humor if it want about looking queer?
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
You making the leap from a person wearing short purple trunks (as Ken Shamrock often did) to them trying to look like a gay person is losing you this argument.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Aug 7, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
He also came in to "We didn't start the fire"
You don’t think there was some kind of joke intended there?
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
I think..
… Hallman was getting in the cage with a fighter known for bizarre antics and wanted to one up him.
I’m going to say this directed at no one in particular and I’ll probably get a warning, but if you think what Dennis Hallman was doing was homophopic or in some way gay bashing, than you’re a moron.
by Worldisart on Aug 7, 2011 1:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I didn't think anyone was calling Hallman homophobic
It was Dana’s reaction to Hallman’s attire that was homophobic
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Look up
“thetakeover” just called Hallman a homophobe.
by Worldisart on Aug 7, 2011 1:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thetakeover has been saying ridiculous shit all over this post
I’m not going out of my way to see more of it.
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Thanks for the shoutout
I’m saying, if anybody was making a joke directed at gay stereotypes, it was Hallman for his choice of dress and behavior. Dana just reacted as most did: wtf?
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Who else was disgusted?
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by RolloTomasi on Aug 7, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have no idea what is happening up there
And I like it that way
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Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
That's not what you said at all.
You said, “Hallman is a homophobe.”
by Worldisart on Aug 7, 2011 1:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If anyone was a homophobe for making fun of gay people
It was the guy who chose to wear blue Speedos.
Better?
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
I'm not sure you understand what homophobic means
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Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
I'm not sure you know how to argue properly
People are accusing Dana White of being homophobic.
He was not the guy wearing blue Speedos and acting like it was all a big joke.
Therefore, if anyone was being “homophobic” by mocking gay people, it was the guy who trying to be funny by exposing himself in an uncomfortable way.
Personally, I don’t think any of it was homophobic, so much as an unfortunate choice of workplace attire.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Yeah
I’m still not getting how a speedo mocks the gays?
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Therefore, if anyone was being "homophobic" by mocking gay people, it was the guy who trying to be funny by exposing himself in an uncomfortable way.
So only gay people are allowed to expose themselves in uncomfortable ways? Really not understanding what you’re getting at here.
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
"We didn't start the fire" was Hallman's entrance music
He was making a joke. I don’t know if it was about gay people are not, but Dana doesn’t want you making a mockery of one of 5 fights that the audience paid $55 for.
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We Didn't Start the Fire has nothing to do with homosexuals
It’s just a goofy song.
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A goofy song about flaming
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It's actually about stuff in the news
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Like if he came out to "It's Raining Men"
I’d be like, “Fair point.”
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If you don't see
That coming out to “We didn’t start the fire” in tight blue shorts and doing weird stretches isn’t some kind of joke on manhood, then nothing I saw will convince you.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Yeah it's a joke about masculinity
But not homosexuality.
For the record I’ve never called Dana a homophobe, just a guy taking this way to seriously.
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A joke about masculinity
is pretty close to a joke about homosexuality, no?
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
No
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Aug 7, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If it isn't
Then why is this whole thread about the shorts being gay rather than them being unmasculine?
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Because Fagan used the word homophobic
And he used the word homophobic, because it seems like a lot of people are upset about what the image of Hallman’s body did to their psyche.
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The whole thread is about the overreaction to the shorts.
Not wanting too see another man’s balls during an MMA bout doesn’t make you homophobic, but calling what Hallman did one of the worst things to ever happen in the UFC is just stupid.
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
To clarify
I didn’t really object that much to Hallman’s shorts—I just thought it was a dumb choice going into a tough bout, especially when he lost—but my point was against those accusing Dana of homophobia—it was Hallman who did the antics that some might find borderline offensive (me personally, I did not find them offensive.)
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Hallman was making a mockery of the sport on a big stage of cable TV. In the NFL, players get fined for minor deviations from uniform policy. And you link to the dong picture pretty much proves the point of why this was unacceptable.
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by thetakeover on Aug 7, 2011 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 10 recs
Sure seems like you objected to the shorts earlier.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
by TitanFan2K on Aug 7, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Really dude?
Maybe you should actually listen to the song.
by Worldisart on Aug 7, 2011 2:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So...
You’re all for intolerance? You think the homophobia that is prevalent across the MMA landscape is all hunky dory and should just be accepted?
If you don’t like articles like this, don’t read them, don’t comment on them and don’t tell the people who run this blog how to do their jobs.
by Worldisart on Aug 7, 2011 1:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's crap
There was no homophobia present here. Honestly I think Mike misunderstands homophobia if he thinks a guy not wanting to see another guy’s penis makes him a homophobe.
And...
What if a gay guy didn’t want to watch competitors outfitted like that while watching a sport? Would that make this gay gentlemen homophobic as well? People’s sensibilities with regard to what is appropriate at specific times aren’t necessarily indicative of their sexual preferences….
by PittPol on Aug 7, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
I`m guessing that some, otherwise tolerant people would be all upset if Hallman had turned for a Gi-tournament with a Gi covered in skulls…
If Evil has a name, I`m certain it`s "Ellsworth Monkton Toohey"
by BlueberryMuffin on Aug 7, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Not being homosexual does not equal Homophobic
Your line of reasoning here seems to conflate two importantly distinct things. I don’t want to see a man’s genitals flopping about when watching MMA because I happen not to be a homosexual—that is, I do not find men sexually attractive and prefer not to gaze at their near naked asses. But this in no way entails that I am being homophobic. Since I don’t enjoy staring at man’s ass cheeks or genitals, it was, as Joe Rogan hilariously pointed out, “an unfortunate choice of shorts.” Indeed, I think Hallman’s choice of shorts was so unfortunate, that I am perfectly happy that Dana plans to ban them in the future. They were worn to be a mockery, after all. “A mockery of what?” you might ask. Of homosexuals, making Hallman, and not Dana, a homophobe—someone who is prejudiced against homosexuals.
by fight culture on Aug 7, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
This
They were worn to be a mockery, after all. "A mockery of what?" you might ask. Of homosexuals, making Hallman, and not Dana, a homophobe—someone who is prejudiced against homosexuals.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
I'm gay and I think that is off base.
We don’t go out in speedos and get into fights. Promise. Maybe we should, though, just to support your argument. He was trying to out goof a goof. He certainly did that. A reaction to such shorts has happened before, if anyone recalls Phil Baroni’s reaction to Minowaman’s beautiful red speedos. It was, to say the least, a source of derision.
by bigstupidsmile on Aug 7, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He sees guys in tight shorts in many fights.
The point he was making is that this went intentionally too far.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
Dude there is nothing homophobic about not wanting to see a fighter wearing a banana hammock.
This article reminds me of an old school Jon Snowden troll job. Is MMANation taking too much traffic away from this site so you have to manufacture drama to get the numbers back up?
Wow, you must hide the kids when Olympic swimming events come on.
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by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 7, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 15 recs
If it wasn't the standard and neccessary attire
and they wore cartoonish cups that made their genitals appear inflated.
Oh, and if they had a huge chance of being pulled down by a competitor.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
by TheFilt on Aug 7, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Wait
Was he fighting Goodridge
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Nope
But they did get pulled down.
We hear it all the time “let go of the shorts” guess Hallman was trying to nip it in the bud.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
On that note
During the Tate/Coenan fight, I swear I was willing coenan to keep pulling down Tate’s shorts in guard. She got so close….
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Except swimmers aren't grappling
And don’t require cups.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Whens the last time a grapple fest broke out during a swim meet?
Think about it. people who are calling this homophobic have a very loose grasp of reality.
Bottom line, dudes balls fell out. clearly the attire was not appropriate or HIS BALLS WOULDNT HAVE FALLEN OUT!
"He seeing more holes than a gynecologist!" - The Voice
by Meth Wyzzyrd on Aug 7, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
<3 Fagan
When I saw the DFW interview I thought “damn it’s like a 5 minutes long NO HOMO BRO” apology.
Well, anybody who knows me knows I'm no fan of dictionaries or reference books. They're elitist. Constantly telling us what is or isn't true. Or what did or didn't happen.
OMG!!!!! IT'S A PENIS!!!! A PENIS!!!!! RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!
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Oh, have they already made him their panty-dropper of the year?
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by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 7, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Just click the link
and then click the other link
NSFW
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What does NSFW mean
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
panty dropped of the year?
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 7, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way, I feel the need to spam the same comment:
“Did you not see the portion of the article that addressed this exact comment?”
He addressed this already, people. If Dana was concerned about his crank popping out, he should have said so instead of pulling the comedian act.
BOOSH
his approach automatically makes him homophobic?
that seems like a huge grasp. It looked stupid, and Dana as a business man can see the negativity coming from that outfit from a mile away. Really dumb on Hallman’s part, and his dick actually fell out. There is no argument for this in reality.
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I quite enjoyed the sunburn/skin peeling speed-o look.
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was the fighter gay?
Why should fagaan be allowed to post such libel? Wardrobe worn was illegal under unified rules of mma. I guess theyre gay bashers too. Why is dana not allowed to have his company enforce a dress code either. Fagan is a bufoon and wrong on every level
by AGonzo on Aug 7, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
WUAHT?
ILLEGAL UNDER THE UNIFIED RULES? CAN YOU PLEASE SHOW ME WHICH PART SAYS YOU CAN’T WEAR A SPEEDO?
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It's next to the section about illegal backtracing and pirating Zuffa streams
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 7, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pirating streams is illegal illegal. Not just a Zuffa edict…
by Worldisart on Aug 7, 2011 1:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Backtracing is ILLEGAL?
Someone had better tell Jessie Slaughter’s dad quickly, before the cyber police he calls end up actually arresting him. It would forever alter consequences.
According to the proposed unified rules in NJ, “all contestants shall be cleanly shaven immediately prior to competition, except that a contestant may wear a closely cropped mustache.”
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I think this is a rule
that varies state to state tho. I just did a general google search of the unified rules which stated that the commission has the right to determine whether or not facial or body hair was acceptable.
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Lots of fighters rock beards too, Kimbo, Hendricks, Sakara, etc. That can’t be a unified rule in NV.. unless they just don’t care.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
Yeah, I’m just pointing out that if you type “unified rules” into Google, you’re going to get some outdated shit.
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Ah I thought that was an actual current rule, I never really thought about the facial hair people had in fights, I figured beards would just give more grip for chokes.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
They're scratchy while grappling
Or as Forrest stated “Beards are cozy, 5 o’clock shadow is inconsiderate to whomever you’re rolling with”
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punches slip of your face better with a beard.
There is method to the beard.
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by the-gentle-way on Aug 7, 2011 2:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
UFC.com's rules state you wear Shorts
to call that speedo a Short is the most liberal usage of a term i’ve ever seen.
Please show me where in the unified rules those kinds of shorts are banned. I’ll wait right here. Unless you’ve been banned yourself for that whole “Fagan’s a buffoon” thing in which case I’m dissappointed it wasn’t accompanied by some awesome gif action.
by Worldisart on Aug 7, 2011 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"Queer" is a Homophobic slur btw... #Hypocrite
http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/rules-and-regulations#10
10. Apparel
Each contestant shall wear mixed martial arts shorts (board shorts), biking shorts (vale tudo shorts), kick-boxing shorts or other shorts approved by the Commission.
Gi’s or shirts are prohibited during competition except that female contestant’s musts wear shirts approved by the Commission.
Shoes and any type of padding on the feet are prohibited during competition.
“Other Shorts” doesn’t mean underwear/speedos. Please don’t ever nominate Fagan to the Supreme Court.
"or other shorts approved by the Commission."
That’s pretty important there.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Speedos aren't Shorts
Please dont ever run for congress
But it was obviously approved by the commission
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Aren't they called speedo shorts by Speedo?
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queer is not a homophobic slur
it is how many in the GLBT community identify themselves.
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
for example
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
actually..
the GLBT call themselves Gay…lesbian…bisexual..and transgendered, not homophobic slurs like “Gay”
Really?
Because I know a lot of people in the GLBT community, and many choose to use “Queer” rather than divide their loyalties based on whether they are bi, transgender, male or female. You can read the article I linked.
Where do you get your information?
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
If Dana said "Queer"
Fagan would get his shorts..i mean..panties..in a bunch
I kind of feel like it's the kind of word where
If you are homosexual you can use the word queer, if not step off. Not an expert or anything though.
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The LGBT community often identifies as the queer community. You can also use it as a slur. (Fuck you, you fucking queer.)
I think my intentions were clear.
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queer is not a homophobic slur
It most certainly is.
Just because a portion of the homosexual community has chosen to ‘take back’ the term does not mean it is no longer homophobic. That’s like saying the N-word is not racist because certain segments of the African-American community choose to use it to describe themselves.
It all depends on the context the word was used in.
by discoandherpes on Aug 7, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The fuck?
Where did I say queer? Why are you calling me a hypocrite? And why are you quoting rules that prove your argument wrong?
Dude you said it
Don’t try and hide behind that whole “It’s nowhere on the message board” excuse
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Fagan called gays "Queers" in his article..showing his latent homophobia
Wearing Shorts perfectly backs up my statement, clearly. What he was wearing was not a pair of mma shorts, as per the Rules of the Octagon
His "shorts" have to be approved by the AC
the fact that he wore them into the octagon, proves that they were legal.
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The Rules of the Octagon?
You wanna highlight the passage in that little graphic at the beginning of the show where it bans those shorts? Or you just wanna keep talking out your ass?
Here it is again
http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/rules-and-regulations#10
10. Apparel
Each contestant shall wear mixed martial arts shorts (board shorts), biking shorts (vale tudo shorts), kick-boxing shorts or other shorts approved by the Commission.
Gi’s or shirts are prohibited during competition except that female contestant’s musts wear shirts approved by the Commission.
Shoes and any type of padding on the feet are prohibited during competition.
Other Shorts…are still shorts not panties
Oh and pro tip number 2
Queer is not a homophobic remark and if you want to call Fagan a hypocrite than do so but not in response to something I said.
I don't get it at all
Fagan specifically addresses the possibility that Dana was upset that a dick might pop out, and how he SHOULD have handled it…then people tell Fagan that Dana was only upset because a dick might pop out?
BOOSH
A dick DID pop out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pij1LwqO174
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I know; I saw it and screencapped it and made it my background
My point is that if Dana was worried, he should have said something to the effect of “I can’t have shorts that risk exposure inside the Octagon.”
Instead he went the “Dude brah his shit looked mad gay, brah! I hate that shit! I love pussy! Monster Trucks! Bench Press! Rarrrrrr!”
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 7, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
I don't get it at all
You’ve said the same thing 8 times in this thread already.
by C-Viggity on Aug 7, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
That was ancient history
And wasn’t on cable Tv.
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This is Shonie
on SPIKE TV
In man panties….<img src="http://m.ultimatefighter.com/img/ic?width=240&height=280&fsize=49000&format=jpg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ultimatefighter.com%2Fimages%2F04%2F01%2Ftuf_0401_fgt1.jpg"/>
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Whoops
<img src="http://m.ultimatefighter.com/img/ic?width=240&height=280&fsize=49000&format=jpg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ultimatefighter.com%2Fimages%2F04%2F01%2Ftuf_0401_fgt1.jpg"/>
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Not a live fight
And his dick and balls didn’t fall out.
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The potential was still there no?
And somehow no outrage?
I’m not seeing the distinction
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The distinction
If Shonie’s dick popped out, it could be edited out of the broadcast. They had no such control with Hallman and everybody saw his dick.
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I watched the fight
I didn’t see dick
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Shit I did
I once saw an Oakland Raider players pants fall off during a game, his weewee popd out too.
Twas funny.
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No
I have a dick too soI knew it was nothing to be scared of
vaginas on the other hand……
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by Chris Hall on Aug 7, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is immediately what I was thinking of
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
Ebersole and Hallman weren’t on cable TV either.
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by Mike Fagan on Aug 7, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was funny, dunno why it is a big deal. I don’t think Hallman should be cut either. Maybe I am the only one who thinks this way.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
Or it could cause people to tune in more..
there’s no denying that wardrobe malfunctions have made various events receive more publicity.
I didn't think Hallman looked particularly gay
In the outfit, he just looked stupid. Your argument assumes that only gay men wear tight colorful speedos, which is not true, just use any fatassed middle aged fool posing in a topless beach.
The other thing I noticed was how he was doing the splits in the middle of the octagon with the shorts. I could almost swear he lost a bet his behavior was so strange.
by DrFernando on Aug 7, 2011 1:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 9 recs
How does one "look gay"?
I’m curious. I didn’t realize that there was a uniform.
by Worldisart on Aug 7, 2011 1:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
Straight dudes don’t smile. Ever.
If you’ve ever smiled, hand over a man card.
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Clever
And jokes are funnier when you get to explain them, amirite?
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Sometimes
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by RolloTomasi on Aug 7, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There isn't but since Dana thought it was bad then
It has to be because it looked “gay” to help out his haters.
" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I coulda been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but I'm right..." Bama
I get your point, and the answer is there is no "gay" look
Unless you use the cliches. But isn’t this the premise of this post? If DW is being homophobic then Hallman must have looked “gay”.
Btw a boa usually does the trick :P
by DrFernando on Aug 7, 2011 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
And......Banned!!!!
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I could see Louis CK making that joke.
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And I'd laugh at it
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Exactly: Homophobia doesn't have to have anything to do with it
Those short shorts just look horrible on their own.
Come on! Would anyone really like to see the return of the short shorts to the NBA? Does anyone seeing archival basketball footage sincerely go: "Oh, gotta get those short shorts back in the game ‘cause they give the players more credibility!. Of course not. It’s just one, giant faux pas.
by Wonderjudas on Aug 7, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes it amazes me
The things that can turn into a huge deal
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by Chris Hall on Aug 7, 2011 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I don't know what is more ridiculous...
The shorts, people’s reactions to the shorts, or other people’s reactions to people’s reactions to the shorts.
by BilboMcFonzie on Aug 7, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
What if a guy
Came out in stripper Speedos that looked like and elephant with a long gray trunk.
Would it be homophobic to be against wearing those?
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Not sure
how a fighter could pull those off and where the required protective equipment.
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it's happened.
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
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by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
HOMOPHOBIA! OUTRAGE!
I will give the mod that deletes this comment 70….cents.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
you couldn't tell I was joking?
cmon Rollo.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry.
I’ve got a mouse trapped in a closet and it’s scratching is like the Tell Tale Heart. I’m going out of my mind!
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by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Send it here
I’ve got a snake that hasn’t eaten in a week
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I'll take it.
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by RolloTomasi on Aug 7, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
LEGIT LOL
holy shit that was good
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by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
in this thread no less
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"Do you lie awake alone at night, admiring my gash?"
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by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
nicely done sir
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if I had any way to get it out of this closet....
I would have gotten it out. Hmmm….I’ve got a great idea- send me your snake in a postal tube and…actually, that would probably end up pretty badly.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry
I’ve got a one-eyed spitting cobra. He eats snakes for breakfast.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Put any of these things into the closet some how, and the mouse is gone
Kidney Beans (raw)
Onion
Potato (raw)
Potato tops
Rhubarb (raw)
Rhubarb leaves
Tomato leaves
Black nightshade
Buttercups
Clematis
Daffodil
Deadly nightshade
Hemlock
Hydrangea
Ivy
Laburnum
Laurel
Oleander
Poinsettia
Rhododendron
Yew
Yucca
Chocolate
Garlic*
Onions
Rabbit Mix (containing antibiotic ingredients)
Raw Kidney Beans
Sweets
Toffee
I looked this up for you on a pet website. Mice are allergic to any of these items
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DirtyML is really a chick?
LOL, and all this time I’ve been taking her opinions seriously.
by Fake Emcee on Aug 7, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
How could you have known... They don't keep computers in kitchens
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I am actually not, Rollo just has bad jokes. But I am happy to know my opinions have been taken seriously for a year and a half.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
The $70,000 bonus was the real homophobe blast
Dana acted like everyone watching was utterly disgusted by the view but that, like a car wreck, they simply couldn’t tear their eyes off the dude’s package. Ebersole saved everyone from being permanently scarred by the hideous memories of a guy wearing a swimming suit, and well deserved that $70,000.
.....
ooooh yeah
Indeed
I had a SMH moment when it first showed them, but forgot about it pretty quickly
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C'mon, Mike.
His cock actually came out. I felt mad uncomfortable, and it has nothing to do with homophobia. It was the same kind of discomfort I just got watching a moray eel attack a scuba diver on “When Fish Attack.” The anticipation of the impending moment of disaster. It’s not a good look on t.v. and I can totally understand White’s concern with a free flailing dick on a telecast.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions
“I can totally understand White’s concern with a free flailing dick on a telecast.”
He had every opportunity to say so. Instead, he called it disgusting and awarded his opponent 70 large for getting it off TV as quickly as possible.
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Read between the lines
White never said it was gay, either. You see disgusting as being about gay, whereas others see it as being about male nudity during a sports event.
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by thetakeover on Aug 7, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
How is being disgusted about male nudity not homophobic?
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If a male coworker walked into your office nude
That would be OK? Would it be homophobic for HR to tell him to go home and put clothes on?
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At my workplace
I don’t roll around with half naked dudes on a daily basis.
And he didn’t show up nude. He was in a speedo.
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If Ricky Martin came into your bedroom late at night and started to J O in your closet
would it be homophobic if you closed your eyes?
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He means
Its for your personal use, which is cool with me. Ricky’s a dream boat.
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He's Puerto Rican right?
Let me guess, you saw him dancing in San Juan?
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Well I was gonna make a joke
But I can’t top this
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In fairness
If I showed up the gym like that, no one would roll with me. Exacept the one really cool dude.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
You said
Objecting to male nudity makes you homophobic. All I said is that context matters.
And it’s funny how you just made a joke about rolling around with half naked dudes while accusing others of homophobia.
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There was nothing homophobic about my statement
It’s an oversimplification of grappling, but yeah, dudes take off the majority of their clothes and roll on the ground together.
If I said half naked dudes rolling around is disgusting it would be a homophobic statement. See the difference?
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That's a ridiculous question
There is nothing homophobic about not wanting to see another man’s dick and balls. That doesn’t make you homophobic, it just makes you straight.
Agreed
And I don’t go out of my way to see cock and balls. But even if I had noticed the “wardrobe malfunction” last nite, I’d be more inclined to laugh then be “disgusted” and pay someone 70k to beat up a dude in speedo.
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Me too.
Look, I’m not gonna act like I rolled over and booted when I saw that. But the fact is, Dana White has a lot more invested in that than we do. Maybe he is homophobic, but more likely, he is concerned about how the millions of people who will be watching that fight feel about it, especially the ones who are seeing this sport for the first time.
Dana isn’t pissed because he saw Hallman’s dong. He’s pissed because somewhere, ten thousand MMA newcomers are sitting there thinking “is this a fucking joke? what kind of sport is this?” The fact is, speedos and bare dick don’t register with the mainstream sports fans.
Dana was pissed before the dong became an issue
I don’t disagree that Hallman looked silly, but so did Ebersole.
I really think its being blown out of proportion, but hey, I’m bored on a Sunday.
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Agreed
I don’t give a shit about this. It’s done, and it isn’t coming back. But then Fagan had to write an article about how not wanting to see a guy’s dick and balls makes you homophobic, which is a bit outrageous.
That's not what Fagan said
And this has been a topic of conversation on a few other posts throughout the discourse of last nights event. For that reason alone, it warranted being addressed on the site.
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No it's not
He’s arguing that Dana’s reaction is homophobic. And I agree. There’s a lot of reasons why the speedo isn’t a good idea for an MMA fight, exemplified by “mishap” last nite. But his reaction didn’t address those issues.
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Dana's reaction addressed nothing specifically
All he said was that those speedos should not be allowed, and that he wanted them off television as soon as possible. Fagan simply assumed that the comments were based on White’s homophobia, and reported accordingly, which is simply irresponsible. As I said, the comments were more likely based on something much broader, such as mainstream acceptance of the sport.
You completely ignore the part where he called them "disgusting"
Which is really where the argument for homophobia lies.
He in no way addressed mainstream acceptance in his tweet. And has done a hundred other things to hinder said acceptance than one fighter in a speedo.
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Read between the lines
Yes, he overreacted when he called it disgusting. That could be interpreted in many ways; disgusting as in it’s inappropriate attire for a professional sport, disgusting as in we don’t want to see your ass and then some, or disgusting as in “ew thats gay you’re disgusting.”
You take your pick of which Dana most likely meant.
And even if you think that Dana was genuinely homophobic, there is enough ambiguity that there should not have been an article written denouncing Dana for something he didn’t say.
There's enough of an argument for it
to warrant Fagan’s speculation, especially considering Dana’s history with slurs by himself and his employees.
I’m not saying you should agree with him. But there’s definitely enough substance to make an article.
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And another thing
I realize that Dana gave this more attention than was necessary. He had a right to be annoyed but he overreacted, but that really gives Fagan no right to automatically assume the basis of Dana’s comments were homophobia, when they were far more likely based on Dana’s concern of how the mainstream media and fans perceive the sport.
I would hope that most straight men are secure enough in their sexualities not to care if they do see another man’s genitals.
regardless of age or gender
Sometimes you just don’t want to see someone else’s genitals. It has nothing to do with security.
by ~Peregrine on Aug 7, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
its kinda true
If he looked better and less tack, Dana wouldn’t have cared.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Exactly
That’s why it was cool when Shonie did it.
I mean, can you realistically say that the reaction would be the same if Sexyama had come out like that?
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by Chris Hall on Aug 7, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was about to say the same
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
Goddammit
Where’d you get that pick of my ex???
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by Chris Hall on Aug 7, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did she dump you?
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
As I said,
I’m more annoyed by Fagan’s irresponsible use of the word homophobia than I am that I saw Hallman’s balls. I’d rather I had not seen it, but it doesn’t really affect me in any way.
so you’re saying that if male nudity from strangers makes you uncomfortable, your a homophobe?
are you serious? you cant be…
if someone has their balls hanging out on the bus, would it not make you uncomfortable?
I guess im a homophobe then…. i dont even like looking at my own balls.
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So you're saying
No gay men would ever be upset about male nudity on television? Straight people protest any nudity on television all the time, male or female.
And I don’t have a dog in this fight. I thought the outfit was pretty funny and I like the idea of fighters getting to be a little silly if they want.
The only substitute for victory is overkill.
by Underhand Left on Aug 7, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
“Getting those things off the screen” = “to reduce the chance of his penis gracing the telecast” to me. If Dana knew about the, um, malfunction at the press conference, I have a hunch he would have been even more outspoken on the issue. As it stands, now that we know that his penis did come out, I’d be shocked if Hallman isn’t cut this week. Look at what happened with a star-covered nipple on the Superbowl. This was much, much worse.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Superbowl on network television =/= to a dick slip many viewers didn't notice on PPV
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I know its not a perfect analogy.
but I stand by it.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You shouldn’t.
The situations aren’t even remotely the same.
by Worldisart on Aug 7, 2011 1:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it's an image that exceeds the tolerances...
of those in control. We’re dealing with different standards and constrictions between network t.v. and ppv, but either way it’s testing the limits of the people in charge of quality control of both products, who were concerned at how said images would be perceived by viewers.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If he walked down the street like that
people would be saying the same thing.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
agreed
though grappling in those shorts is infinitely more disgusting. Even Ebersole, when asked what he was thinking when his back was taken so quickly, said: “All I was worried about was a potential wardrobe malfunction.”
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-Lord Varys
by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
We roll completely clothed and I still feel weird when my balls grind on someone.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Grappling necessitates some extremely awkward man on man positions
the step over the head to lock in a kimura for one. Definitely weird the first time you get that one demonstrated.
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Now imagine he's really speedo
and looked like Dennis Hallman.
If it was Ricky, we good.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Agreed on all points
My introduction to the position was a very overweight dude, who emphasized the point of sitting into it to secure control.
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Oh God
Did you ever go back?
One of my friends got me started. The guy is super strong and really enjoys the humor in squeezing a helpless man in an intimate way.
We kinda met each other that way in college. Wait… damn it.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Sure did
Just ignored the awkwardness and remembered he was teaching me how to hurt someone even more efficiently, which is what I paid him for. We still spoon sometimes, but that’s a different story.
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Good man
I’m lucky.
There’s basically only some hot beef cakes rolling in my gym. A few older guys and chubby guys, but mainly its a hot gym.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
It's really best to surround yourself with hot people in general
Not just in the gym. It just makes everyone feel better.
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Yeah it does
Sometimes we go out dancing.
We get dressed up and really have a good time. Not for the hoes, for us. The homies.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Homies over hoes!
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
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by Chris Hall on Aug 7, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
Do the Homie!!!
Sometimes, these things happen in MMA
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 7, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Different intent
Different consequences, different venues, different people.
Janet Jackson deliberately showed her breast to the world on the halftime show of the biggest sporting event of the year on network television forever changing the way the television industry works.
Yeah what happened with Dennis Hallman did is exactly the same…
by Worldisart on Aug 7, 2011 1:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I missed this live because the BBQ wings did me in
But needless to say I’m glad I survived this event and won’t be traumatized by a tit.
And it only changed how TV works in the USA. Canada alone is a little more liberal with their content and Europe takes it to an extreme.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
I work in Canadian TV
It changed things drastically here too.
by Worldisart on Aug 7, 2011 2:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Crap, so no more Peter Mansbridge crotch shots?
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Well the big thing is
A lot more broadcast liscenses get rejected by the CRTC and there a lot more fines levied against networks because lobby groups have a lot more power in the process. Producers/directors/editors like myself find themselves with a lot less creative freedom and support from advertisers.
by Worldisart on Aug 7, 2011 2:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So because he didn't explain exactly why it was disgusting then he must be a homophobe?
It’s a pretty big leap to go from disgusting to gay and that says a lot more about your feelings towards homosexuals than it does Dana’s.
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Read between the lines...
Dana isn’t going to explicitly say that he doesn’t want balls flapping out on TV.
Carlos Newton’s diaper was offended.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Aug 7, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Carlos Newton's shorts...
were a mumu compared to what Hallman wore.
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-Lord Varys
by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
What the hell?
This is simply a misinterpretation of the meaning of “homophobia”. There were NO homophobic remarks made from Dana or Joe. It made everyone watching a little uncomfortable; not because everyone is homophobic, but because we don’t want to see his damn groin and ass, let alone his balls.
If you want to make the argument for sexism, go for it. If seeing a distinction between Arianny Celeste and Dennis Hallman wearing their underwear on television makes me sexist, then so be it. But it sure as hell doesn’t make anyone homophobic, it just makes them not gay.
by Charger567 on Aug 7, 2011 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
That’s exactly what I was thinking, not wanting to see some dude’s junk while paying good money to watch a combat sport doesn’t make me a homophobe, it makes me normal.
I miss your sig
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Lemme get you started
Hey ufc4, go fuck yourself!……
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That dude emailed me like 2 or 3 times asking me to get rid of it, the first time he was nice about it, after that he was pretty pissed lol.
Lol
That was one sig that I could read everytime I saw it and always laughed
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you can thank me later.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
by Garrett Bennicas
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by Chris Hall on Aug 7, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I couldn't stop laughing and weirdly watching
I mean i thought it HAD to be some sort of pyche out technique right. Like in “Legendary” and Cena tells his bro to weigh in naked.
Either way i’m sure that Ebersole was really worried up until Hallman jumped on his back. I think that’s the time when Ebersole remembered he was in a fight
C'mon guys, go easy on Fagan
I mean I think it’s obvious that Mike enjoyed seeing Hallman’s cock and is hoping to see more cocks in the octagon, let him have his moment.
by ufc4 on Aug 7, 2011 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I’m gonna assume the staff realizes I’m kidding, if not and getting banned is the worse thing that happens to me today then it’ll be a pretty good day.
I only approve if he's banned via BeerHammer or GifHammer
Sorry bro, they’re both too awesome
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Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
And I don’t mean that as a threat. Just…I don’t want people getting the idea that that is kosher.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
who didn't?
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The Bloodyelbow obsession with Homophobia continues
Why does it seem that BE is making it a crusade to attack anything that may seem like homophobia? Stop trying to be so politically correct, Hallmans trunks were disgusting for all the obvious reasons there is no antigay conspiracy
by rdebanks on Aug 7, 2011 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Why does it seem that BE is making it a crusade to attack anything that may seem like homophobia?
Probably because people are still making comments like this one:
Hallmans trunks were disgusting for all the obvious reasons there is no antigay conspiracy
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Aug 7, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
There is nothing homophobic about that.. Not wanting to see one’s balls and ass is NOT wrong, nor homophobic. Come on, people.
No, he isn't.
He was saying the trunks were disgusting for all the obvious reasons, the reasons being that we saw way more than we’d like to. It’s fair to say that if the trunks were on a mannequin then no one would be outraged..
"Queer" is a Homophobic slur
and Fagan used it in the article….hmmm
I hope some fighter chooses a Broadway show tune for his walkout music next time
Just to put the finishing touches on Dana’s stroke.
.....
ooooh yeah
Someone already came out to Boy George
And it was well received by Rogan.
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YMCA?
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If a woman thought it was gross
is she a homophobe?
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
by TheFilt on Aug 7, 2011 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
My girl watches MMA specifically for the ass
But she thought Hallman was gross and pretty funny.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Oh dear...
…Dana White (& the rest of the world, mostly) isnt as ultra-tolerant as you. Quick, let’s wring our hands.
Sorry Fagan & the rest of the ultra-tolarant crew, but people are reaching THIE tolerance at having to watch every word & thought they express so they arent glossed as one of your “phobics”. Fuck your eggshells stomp stomp stomp
by Velosi on Aug 7, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Has Dana White banned under pants for fighters during weigh ins?
Yeah, I’d say this might be an over reaction to Dana’s … over reaction.
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by KJ Gould on Aug 7, 2011 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Man i get tired of when you guys run out of ideas to write about and reach for the nearest soap box. There are plenty of reasons not not like the speedo thing. And to be honest, I thought it was funny. But Hallman doesn’t work for me. If he did, I’d see it exactly like Dana did. Do you guys remember the Janet Jackson thing? Remember how much those fines were? Not to mention that this article even draws the comparison to pro wrestling, which is a visual I think Dana is best avoiding. He already battles the perceived similarities between MMA and wrasslin’. I can’t blame him for not liking that either. Assuming Dana’s reasons is that he hates gay folks when there are plenty of valid reasons to not be pumped for the banana hammock is really, really douchey.
Btw, the mankini is on the front page of Deadspin
Not the kind of press Dana was hoping for coming off this event.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Hallman clearly misread the fight contract
The part where it said “$10,000 to show” might have been confusing.
.....
ooooh yeah
by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 7, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 23 recs
rec
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-Lord Varys
by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Green this
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
it really will be the ladies next
we should keep an eye on what they’re wearing… so we can compare and contrast to this fight situation.
I don’t know about you guys but male nudity is funny to me. As funny as arrow chest heir if not funnier.
I liked the Hairrow.
I think it would have been funnier pointing down, of course.
Now Ebersoles hairrow is an heirloom?
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meh
bar i was at, everyone was laughing and going wtf. then again new york city is generally more enlightened than a lot of spots when it comes to teh gays.
Mel Gibson shot the movie Apocalypto on location at the center of my taint.
-Fake Emcee
I found his shorts funny and his twig and berries falling out even funnier.
The distorted values people have today is down right baffling!
That chick who showed a nipple on Good Morning America is case in Point:
“Oh heaven’s, cover the children’s eyes, that disgusting harlot exposed her sinful nipple. We better change the channel to the local news and hear about little girls being killed and burned, lest our children become sex fiends”
Bloody Violence = ok
Nudity = filthy, filthy sin.
If I was going to be embarrased with something MMA related it would be that I take pleasure from watching men get beaten up, not that some dude wore tiny shorts.
GSP is an alien sent here to humiliate our men and mate with our women
Is that an American thing?
I feel like other countries have their priorities more in order. In other words:
Violence = bad
body parts/sexuality = awesome
BOOSH
I have a dream
that one day we can live in a world where we don’t have to choose. Where, one day, I can watch naked people doing violent things and everyone will think it is awesome.
You know what bugs me about this article...
I half expected an article like this to come out damning Dana White for what he did and I didnt completely miss the point about it but what I am is a little disappointed in Mike about putting in this comment" leading motorboat reporter Karyn Bryant". I know that when Rampage did it there were posts all over the place saying how bad that looked and was and disrespectful for a reporter to go through and how it wasnt at all funny, yet instead of saying in the interview with Karyn Bryant, you introduce her by saying that. As if she would not have been known to anyone other than by that. Honestly I expected a little more from someone like yourself when addressing other reporters.
by Joselana on Aug 7, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
You got sexism in our homophobia
Mmmm, Reeses’s.
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by thetakeover on Aug 7, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I might take this article a little more seriously
If it didn’t come from a guy who belittles religion and/or the religious at every oportunity.
Pee-pee money is not an employment history.
by finkrod on Aug 7, 2011 2:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why?
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Aug 7, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not as accepting as he's trying to appear
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
by halitosis on Aug 7, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
leading motorboat reporter Karyn Bryant
I’m very surprised you would refer to a peer that way after all the outrage about that and how it was sexist and unfair to the reporter. Kinda makes me realize I shouldn’t take any articles on this site too seriously when you really are just trying to “… sell page views.”
by Shatto1 on Aug 7, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This article gets an A+ for trolling.
by shotgunshine on Aug 7, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You really reached to make this article
Dana wasn’t being homophobic, he was genuinely upset that Hallman was wearing such a strange pair of shorts. For a sport trying to go mainstream, it certainly doesn’t help to have a main card fighter make a fool out of himself with such attire.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
I laughed my ass off.
Seriously. When he dropped his shorts, it got the reaction he was looking for. I legitimately shouted “What the fuck?!?!” by myself in my own apartment, and started hysterically laughing. My first thought was that Ebersole would intentionally go for a wishbone or something of that nature just to try and blow my funny fuse.
As far as Dana being homophobic, eh, I think that’s a pretty far stretch. I don’t really equate not wanting to see another man’s junk with homophobia, mainly because its a ridiculous point to make when there are many, many clearer examples of homophobia out there to pick on. I found it hilarious, but I guess to each his own.
by vile(nt)green on Aug 7, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Come on guys.
This is exactly what the gays want. Now that we’re all talking and thinking about it, we’re more susceptible to catching it…
Dana’s right. Gay pants don’t belong in the UFC.
You see,
That was homophobic. What Dana said had nothing to do with Hallman’s pants being “gay” he only stated that it was not cool and it was unnecessary.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
I thought the whole thing was a bit funny myself, but if I was the other fighter I don’t think I’d want to wrestle around with a guy when his junk could come out and slam me in the face. You don’t have to be homophobic to not be a fan of that happening.
by JeremyShane on Aug 7, 2011 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow.
I’m surprised there hasn’t been any FAGan jokes. I can totally see where Mike’s coming from though.
I don't think we have a problem here
until fighters start planning intentional wardrobe malfunctions
by ~Peregrine on Aug 7, 2011 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
That is so disgusting. Is she an MMA fighter?
.....
ooooh yeah
by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 7, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
who is that?
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-Lord Varys
by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see any homophobia, but that doesn't mean I didn't think that speedo was kinda creepy.
But considering now we cannot go a week without homophobia or sexism talk I suggest that all fights from now on take place with fighters (male or female) wearing business suits all the way down to penny loafers.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Yes, we need sleeveless shirts
To go for the armbar.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
On twitter someone asked how this would be different than if a ring girl's boob popped out
The answer is that it’s a boob.
Follow me on twitter @MattRoth512
That's a stupid question
Women have to compete in shirts.
You know why? Because titties are indecent and lewd.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
I guarantee Dana wouldn't be upset
And let’s not pretend like Dana is upset about the weiner thing. I doubt he even knows the weiner came out.
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They're dangerous tho
George Carlin once linked breatfeeding to heroin addiction. Be careful fellas.
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Tittays!
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by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dear Kim Couture....
Your outfit is an outrage.
Your biggest fan.
by DrFernando on Aug 7, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh here we fucking go
You can always count on the BE white knight brigade to manufacture controversy where there’s none.
by zY on Aug 7, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
why do you keep posting irrelevant pictures?
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Homophobic?
I didn’t spend my money to see Dennis Hallman’s Genitals. I paid to see him fight.
The shorts were funny, I got the joke. But should he have worn them knowing the possibilities? I think he shouldn’t have.
To say that you didn’t like the way he’s dressed isn’t homophobic. What is Homophobic for that matter?
Because I don’t want to see a man’s (or womans) genitalia in my combat sport makes me a homophobe?
And you really read into White’s words.
Disgusting. Degenerate. Hallman should be ashamed of himself!
Yeah, didn’t see White say that.
"eat a dick." - Chris Barton
Yeah that Dennis Hallman is a real degenerate eh?
I mean if the shorts had have been a manly color like black or blue, but lavender?
by Worldisart on Aug 7, 2011 2:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
im not feeling the homophobia card
was Hallmans choice of ring attire simmilar to Shonnie Carters?Yes. Still it was a rather shocking thing to see and I think DW was reacting more to OMG WTF and fear of a wardrobe malfunction than damn them gays. Hell could you imagine if we had gif worthy video of Hallmans penis flailing about? the PTC (like everything) would have a feild day. Whites reaction seemed more out of please let this end quickly.
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Dana's an idiot
I thought those shorts were pretty funny. If you think Hallman was making a mockery of something, than I guess your complaints would also have to be directed at Ebersole for his stupid chest hair thing. MMA isn’t that serious. If a dude wants to come out in a speedo who cares?
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by Neil Manich on Aug 7, 2011 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The "mockery" argument is ludicrous
However, he had to have known there was potential for the wardrobe malfunction
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Is that even a big deal really?
I mean how many people even noticed the wardrobe malfunction?
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Rollo
Again I didn’t think it was a big deal. But it shouldn’t be encouraged either. Dana once again illustrated his need for a PR rep here tho.
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Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
oh well
I thought it was pretty funny, especially once he made it to the octagon and started stretching, intentionally gratuitous stuff there.
On the other hand, I still think it was an incredibly misguided decision on his behalf cause he must have known the reaction he would get from others, especially others that happen to be his boss…
Ebersole’s chest hair antics are goofy and completely congruent with his personality, I think it’s clever, I was just a little disappointed it was the same symbol as last fight. For some reason I was under the impression that he switches it up. Once he came out with the ATARI sponsor I was seriously hoping for the Atari symbol shaved in his chest for some extra geekiness.
What a ridiculous post
But here we are reading it and bitching about it in the comments, so, uh, mission accomplished for BE I guess.
It amuses me how many puritanicals we have on here
The line of what is and what isn’t homophobic is now completely blurred.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Who is more puritanical?
The people who think Dana’s comment was dumb or the people who were offended by a speedo?
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by Neil Manich on Aug 7, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand what Dana said that was offensive
He doesn’t like it, he never implied it was gay, and I can understand how people are “uncomfortable” with a speedo-wearing man in a combat fight. To the point of outrage? No. But it’s a little silly and I don’t think the UFC wants any more potential incidents with that sort of attire.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Dana totally overreacted
He should have just laughed it off. Even if he had said, “Oh man dude that is gross.”
Like I had no problem with his tweet because his tweet was funny. And treated it like the spectacle it was. But now that he’s acting like this is an actual problem that needs to be addressed, yeah he should be called out for being a kill joy. And maybe homophobic is too strong of a word, but puritanical is fine.
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Not wanting to see that shit is not homophobic. Calling it degenrerate and over reacting seriously looks like it. But I can see why Dana would be pissed, Dana loves his control, and he had none over that situation. I think it’s more about that than homophobia.
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Mike, you’re crazy. That was offensive. Sure the people I was with didn’t even notice at first, distracted by the hairrow, but I made sure to rewind and replay the offensive cock and balls. And when they still didn’t see it, I zoomed in and stepped frame through frame until they too could see the offending member, And still, they seemed clueless to my outrage, so I had to leave the image up and trace my hand over this outsized genitalia so they could truly comprehend how terrible it was to have this in our homes!
by John Nash on Aug 7, 2011 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Jesus.
You must need counseling after that!
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-Lord Varys
by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
This is exactly what I've been saying
100 bucks says Dana doesn’t even know them Dennis and Hallmans fell out last night.
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I'll take your 100 bucks.
He certainly does know by now.
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"Do you lie awake alone at night, admiring my gash?"
-Lord Varys
by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going back to the fav commenter post
and voting for you a hundred times
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
His "outsized genitalia"? Whoa...
Was there more than one fight where a dude’s package was exposed? I don’t recall this from the Hallman fight, although I admit I only watched the video once. Now I’m truly outraged.
.....
Stylin' in my Speedos® and darin' you to stare.
by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 7, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
If Shinya Aioki can't where Spats
Then Hallman can’t where his magic penis pants either.
So it is written, so it shall be done.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
wear x2
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
I wonder if the athletic commissions would have anything to say about this
someone could complain if their preferred fight-gear was banned for a reason like this?
hey man
this is serious stuff… banning the Gi clearly changed the Jits game in MMA… What other complications could arise from a situation like this?
I can unfortunately only find illustrative pictures of women at the moment!
by ~Peregrine on Aug 7, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Unfortunately, this is not professional wrestling...
not scripted, not controlled movements and positions, and Hallmans junk was exposed on PPV. This is not homophobia, sorry. Dana’s specific wording may have been a little underdeveloped, but lets be real here.
Dana's comments preceded the Hallman's dick flash
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Kinda funny seeing this make a big uproar. I used to work out in a gym that was full of body builders. Any time a guy had a contest coming up a bunch of us would gather in the aerobics room and give him a critique. The posing trunks those guys wear make Hallman’s outfit look modest. None of us ever thought there was anything weird or suggestive about commenting on another guy’s calves or back or even his glutes. And that was a situation where we were meant to look at his body, not a fight where what a dude is wearing is irrelevant to the fight action.
.....
ooooh yeah
Seriously
Has anybody been on a wrestling team? Because some weird shit goes on in those showers. That’s all I’m going to say.
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Dude, we had a guy on our team who was notorious for getting excited in the shower. It was sort of an ongoing joke with the rest of us, saying stuff like, “Dude, not cool to point at people when you’re talking to them.”
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ooooh yeah
by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 7, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
"Are you fully torqued bro"
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by Neil Manich on Aug 7, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I still can't believe someone came up with the saying tight butthole
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
What's that?
Oh that, that’s a real gun. Psych it’s a potato gun.
Learn JiuJitsu.
Always looking for that new danger.
That guy was the best character to ever be on TV
Laughed so hard at every line.
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Wrestling team?
Bro, I lived in an athletic dorm for almost 2 years.
After like a week of living there, someone called my name in the hall. I came out and looked. There was this dude named Gary standing there with the biggest, blackest balls I’ve ever seen in his hands.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
by TheFilt on Aug 7, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I assume you were on the bowling team.
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ooooh yeah
by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 7, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Nice
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Wait…
Where did Dana mention anything about the shorts being ‘gay’? Did you just create this article under your own assumption of thinking that’s what Dana thought? Bad ‘journalism’ really.
"How you expect to run with the wolves come night when you spend all day sparring with the puppies" - Omar Little
Having some random dude's bare balls/pubes rub against your back when he has you in a body triangle can not be fun...
Maybe that’s why Ebersole went to town given the opportunity!
Not saying it happened, but it could have…
With the sport trying to go mainstream, and uneducated fans saying grappling is “gay”, the last thing you need is garbage like what he wore. Do boxers wear crap like that? And they don’t roll around on the ground with body triangles on their opponents. The UFC edits entrance music so there are no cussing, yet there is a guy’s package being exposed as he rolls with another man. MMA isn’t late night comedy, it’s a real sport that should be taken seriously. I am with Dana on this, and usually I am totally against everything he says. It has nothing to do with being homophobic, it is common sense.
honestly dude
it really shouldn’t be a big deal WHAT fighters wear, as long as it is decent and accepted by the athletic commissions.
revealing clothing is ok I would say (since most of it IS pretty revealing anyways) … BUT, it should stay LEGAL (eg,/ showing your testicles in public is NOT LEGAL)
The UFC is trying to go mainstream
And yet Face the Pain is still around. Nothing says mainstream like some crappy metal band.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Don't forget the gladiator
That’s classy
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"Do you lie awake alone at night, admiring my gash?"
-Lord Varys
by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Said the man typing from Turkish prison
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
great wi-fi in here.
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"Do you lie awake alone at night, admiring my gash?"
-Lord Varys
by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
So that's where Danaher's hair went
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
You ever hang around a gymnasium?
Follow me on Twitter or Dana White will fire your whole camp! @BVandDietPepsi
by BVandDietPepsi on Aug 7, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."
"Do you lie awake alone at night, admiring my gash?"
-Lord Varys
by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 7, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Must have
Because there’s definitely not a right week to stop sniffing glue
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by Chris Hall on Aug 7, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Face the Penis"
new music to start every show. Don’t even have to change the lyrics:
Time to end this suffering
I need a minute to my-self
So I can drift away
You will never get to me, what can be done I’ll do myself
So I can slip away
Watch you rise, and watch you fall
Watch you losing control
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
by thetakeover on Aug 7, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh that's brilliant
RIP INTO PIECES!!!!
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
I think Mike Fagan is mistaking Dana White the fan for Dana White the businessman
I have no idea how Dana White the fan feels, but I’m sure Dana White the businessman was probably mortified throughout. He is in negotiations for a new television deal with multiple different networks. Millions of dollars are on the line. No television executive wants to have a dick slip out on their network, nor does Dana White want to directly bring attention to the possibility of a cock making an appearance on live television to any network exec if that exec didn’t think of the possibility themselves. So he has to say “no, that will never ever happen” without actually mentioning what will never ever happen.
Dana White should get the benefit of the doubt here.
Roth
is already working on it.
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
dude that's terrible
She may be a beautiful woman, but she deserves your respect for being an amazing athlete.
You can do so much better with Gina pics
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Here's the thing
Would there have been as much outrage if this were to happen at UFC on Versus? Cheick Kongo comes in with a speedo and grapples with someone and his junk gets exposed (as it extends to the other side of the cage)?
Given how the media scrutinizes nipples, I bet you there would be an uproar.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
That would be racist homophobia
/joke
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
naw man
If Miesha Tate had of worn something revealing to her last fight, it would have been equally newsworthy (imo)
Tate
wouldn’t be cleared to fight in hallmans shorts.
"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro
You wouldn't believe the size of those balls
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Crying over spilled semen?
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
by SSreporters on Aug 7, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
rec'd
cause I LOL’ed
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Can we just skip to the part where this becomes a bad meme?
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
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by Chris Hall on Aug 7, 2011 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Me too
There should be some good ones to come out of this
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
This comment section has been hilarious
I for one, am glad to have been a part of it
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
homophobic?
nah youre just heterophobic…starin at his crotch watchin his genitals bulgin!
nah in all seriousness though stop being sensitive politically correct pussies. noone that watches ufc wants to see that shit. its unnecessary and was done for nothing but attention (so is ebersoles chest hair, but theres a difference between gross and funny). and yes it IS GROSS. straight men (who probably make up 90% of the ufcs fanbase, find man ass and man cock GROSS!!!!!! it has nothing to do with homophobia.
mike fagan wants all male fighters in thongs from here on out
FFS
Enough with the huge pictures.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Dear Hallman's Junk
I saw you today. I didn’t see you last night, because I was watching the fight. But, fortunately, some very sharp-eyed people did a frame by frame review and found you. And I have to say, I’m like totally disgusted. What were you thinking? What does it say about you that you were hanging out with dudes with arrows shaved into their man fur? Don’t you know that impressionable kids and adult males were watching and freeze-framing the video and enlarging it to examine you? Don’t you know how you’ve literally killed off the 18-49 straight demographic? Couldn’t you have just a bit of discretion and stayed hidden within that oh-so-tight banana wrap?
I won’t call myself Your Biggest Fan, because that would be a nohomo deal and I’d be banhammered like the back of the skull of Belfort’s next opponent. But listen, next time (if there is one) please remember there’s a time and a place for everything. See you soon (oops! Freudian slip!).
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ooooh yeah
Belfort v Griggs
For the Back of the Head Open Weight Championship?
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Wohoo another attention seeking atrticle from the boys at BE. GJ TEAM!
Been a loyal reader of BE for a very long time but for the last year every so often you guys post up the most ridicilous articles just for the sake of attention seeking and getting “hits” on your page.
NEWS FLASH: Dana didn’t care about the shorts HE CARED ABOUT HALLMANS DICK FALLING OUT ON LIVE TV!
Also: Embersole had to GRAPPLE with hallman while he was wearing that…. If I went to my BJJ class and some guy turned up like that I would F%&King Head kick him so fast he’d wake up 2 weeks in the past!
Stop the attention seeking shit. It’s getting ridicilous and turning loyal readers like me off. FAST.
If Dana cared about "HALLMAN"S DICK FALLING OUT ON LIVE TV!"
He probably should have mentioned that in the interview instead of just the shorts.
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RE:
He can’t go into an interview and say " I didn’t want his dick falling out on live TV!" The man is a professional unlike Hallman… and what makes it even worse is it was probably the sponser “Training Masks” idea…
Jesus all the clowns are out on BE tonight arn’t they.
by Perry Johnson on Aug 7, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAH DANA IS PROFFESSIONAL
What the hell? He called somebody a “faggot” once. He can say, “I didn’t like that his tom bobbler fell out.” without crossing a line.
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That was 2 years ago.
Get over it.
Belive it all not some ppl watch the UFC with thier familys. Dana doesn’t want little Timmy to have his first homo-erotic experience while watching Hallmans junk rub up against embersoles chest.
That shit ain’t right.
And if anybody should be offended by any of this. It’s Mr. John Doe… If I wanted to watch two men rub up against each other in skimps I’d pay for the WWE to be back on my TV.
by Perry Johnson on Aug 7, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess what else happens on pay per views
F-bombs getting thrown around like it’s nobody’s business. You know what you’re getting when you ordered it.
And if anybody was wondering, this comment is an actual example of homophobia.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 7, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I've ordered many fights
and encountered lots of F-bombs, but those shorts last night were truly a surprise to this paying customer.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Yeah...
Goldy says it all the time… his commentery is full of them.
by Perry Johnson on Aug 7, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
P.S.
there is also such a thing as A MUTE BUTTON.
by Perry Johnson on Aug 7, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
So....
Little Timmy watching someone’s junk accidently fall out = horrible
Littly Timmy watching grown men beat the hell out of each other in various forms of combat while cornermen throw f-bombs = peachy keen
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
I took my son to watch the Expendables
I thought he was just going to watch some brutal murders. I didn’t know there was going to be any of that gay love stuff.
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GJ
Sneaking your son into an 18 rated film.
by Perry Johnson on Aug 7, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I was obviously joking and you didn't get it
Because you are an insane person and it’s hilarious!
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How would it be sneaking? If he's your kid it's perfectly allowed.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Why pay for the WWE for that
when UFC has GSP doing all that kind of stuff with other man
word...
but unfortunately just like everything else stupid in this country dennis hallman is being talked about much more then rory mcdonald and brian ebersole, and mike fagan has 500 replies
War Waterboy!!!
Still pumped about that fight
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Ironically
this comment section is more homophobic than anything I saw on PPV last night.
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
This comment section is also more entertaining than the Hallman fight
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
If a penis falls out in the woods
Does Dana give himself forty lashes to punish himself for liking it?
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The article could have been better written....
But there are good points. I assume Dana wouldn’t have been upset if a female mma fighter wore revealing clothing…
and the inequality is disturbing………
That's what she said
No, really, forgive me….couldn’t pass up the easy shot….I’ll be good, I promise…
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ooooh yeah
by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 7, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He obviously means the 900 examples you have posted already
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
So i'm not allowed to post pics of Women (which were never totally off topic)..
in a BE post about Dana White’s comments being homophobic, when discussing a man who accidentally flashed his genitals on a PPV broadcast to hundreds of thousands of people?
Once, Twice, three times sure.
Not 800 times in about 20 different ways
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
If you have any questions, you're free to email me
You made your joke. It’s over man.
Follow me on twitter @MattRoth512
Actually, posting gratuitous nude women is banned
Did you miss the article from BE staff about female fans and not wanting this to turn into a porn site?
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Because that's all you ever do in this thread
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
That's like pwnd 4 ways
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
It's just a warning man
It doesn’t even matter.
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yeah I know man
I just thought it was a terrible article, and that sexual orientation didn’t need to be brought into it. Wasn’t trying to be funny… Always enjoy reading HKL
Don't sweat it
I just don’t want to see this degrade into people just posting pictures of titties. We have female readers and it just kind of sends the wrong message. We’re alright.
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His name is schoonover dang
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
by Chris Hines on Aug 7, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec for "tiddies"
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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
If you managed to bore me with jokes and women, it’s probably time to stop.
Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves
Seconded
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Forget the gay community for a second...
I think the middle aged, beer bellied dudes with moustache and gold chain community should be equally outraged by DW’s comments. The comments were definitely discriminating towards all non olympic swimmer banana hammorck lovers.
To be honest I didn't see the incident at first
But obviously many people here were cocksure they saw it……
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Wait till UFC goes to 3-D
Then the shit’s gonna get real.
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ooooh yeah
by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 7, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely
If people saw that live I’d have said they’re nuts.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Rollo claims he saw it live
But he just may have a keen eye for the twig and berries
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Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
I saw it and was talking about it with Brent Ducharme while it was happening.
Follow me on twitter @MattRoth512
Yeah, but honest up
You were watching that crotch waiting for a little turkey neck to flop out.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 7, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it was exciting
Philly crowd was just a bunch of pricks….
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
USA USA USA USA
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
The shorts were funny, and I don't think he should come anywhere close to being cut for wearing them
but I also don’t think it makes you an automatic homophobe if you didn’t like seeing him wearing them.
I have no problems with the shorts themselves. I would have picked something different for him to wear, but if he can keep everything in place he can wear them.
The dick coming out is really a different issue from the shorts themselves however. Once that happened, and more importantly made public then you have reasonable outrage from a pure sports growth perspective.
Before Lowellthehammer jumps in ZOMG DIDN’T YOU READ, HE ADDRESSED" which is why it’s really a different issue altogether.
Like I said I would rather he wear something else, and I sure as hell wouldn’t be comfortable in that. But if he can keep everything in place while doing everything he needs to do then more power to him.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
noone with zuffa cares about you peoples feelings, and attempts to sound politically correct. this thread is stupid!
in the end its a business, and having fighters parade around and fight in that clothing is bad for business! look at the fanbase, – the people who pump money into the product….and tell me honestly that thats what they wanna see…….YOU CANT! in fact the people that pump money into the ufc not only dont wanna see it, they wanna hear dana white come out and say its gross and its illegal. so mike fagan and the pussy pc fans that make up 1% of the fanbase can complain about it while everyone else says. Thank you dana!
and stop posting pics of models....
like youre proving a point of the hypocrisy in the sport. theres been ring girls in combat sports for a century cuz for the last century the fanbase that pays to watch combat sports has been overwhelmingly filled with straight males (and yes many of them are homophobic-unfortunate but true story).
also think of this. whats worst for the business? like 50 real fans being upset that hallman cant wear man thongs, or the thousands of fair weather fans that were at hooters and dave and busters that looked up at the screen and started talking that “see mma is gay, bunch of naked dudes rolling on top of eachother”.
Bob Arum was at Dave and Busters?
And on a serious note, they show the UFC at Dave and Busters?
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
White hates those Speedos like he hates Roy Nelson's belly
This is one of those things that Dana has made an issue by his reaction to it. A pasty white dude in a speedo looks gross… gay straight or indifferent. Spend some time at a French beach and you’ll know what I mean. A tan or dark-skinned male with a good build in a speedo looks sexy to a gay guy, maybe most women, and admirable to a straight guy (as in, "he’s in good shape… maybe I’ll put down the Hot Pocket Mt. Dew Big Gulp and do some push-ups."
I don’t have any issue with Dana White being idiosyncratic but when he does things like give Ebersole a bonus like that he is guaranteeing weeks of reporters asking him about it and he will get annoyed and look surprised.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
Mohandas Gandhi
"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses - behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
Muhammad Ali
"If MMA is like dog fighting, those are some pretty fucking smart dogs."
"I don’t want to lick any butt."
GSP
Ok, this piece is really grasping at straws.
by Rob Young on Aug 7, 2011 2:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
What really annoys me...
if you are going to give a made-up, arbitrary bonus to a fighter, give it to Rory MacDonald for basically being the most dominating fighter of the entire night. He made Pyle look like an amateur. I would be insulted were I Rory. Ebersole wasn’t even winning the first half of the match. Would White had given him a “hazard bonus” for losing?
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
Mohandas Gandhi
"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses - behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
Muhammad Ali
"If MMA is like dog fighting, those are some pretty fucking smart dogs."
"I don’t want to lick any butt."
GSP
It clearly grinds your gears
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
It's clearly a Boston thing
Bostonphobia
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Those people all look the same to me
mark dellagrotte, Joe, Dana, the whole lot of em
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
White people?
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
KG, Ray Allen, and Paul Pierce too
every last Bostonian, born, raised, moved, changed plans in.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
I don't know who any of those guys are
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Basketball
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
What's that?
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
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It's this game where tall people slam stuff
Haven’t figured out the rest, because in the land of giants I am not king
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Sounds interesting
but at 5’10, tall people scare me
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Me too! High five for being average white man height!
Whether you are white or not…. I happen to be. not trying to be racist, before someone tries pulling that card.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
The fact that I'm white
Is inconsequential to you being a racist
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Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
You're right you fucking honkie
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Crackers....
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
I think I'm out. there are no good racial slurs for white people.
Honkie and cracker I don’t really get, and past that what is there?
White Bread maybe?
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Yeah
I’ve always been disappointed that other ethnicities are so limited in their choice of slurs for white people.
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
If white people are white bread
would that make black people pumpernickel…. OH NO HE CROSSED THE LINE
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Fake Emcee
approves this message, so you’re good.
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If he caps me I'm coming back for you
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Those things always broke too easy. The arms or legs would bust and leak goo within the first 2 days
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
You can fix that temporarily with glue or a band aid
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
As a great commentator once said
“These things happen in MMA”
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I should flag you for calling Gus great
:p
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God the white knighting on this site is fuckin ridiculous
Like the gay community needs bloody elbow as their hero, or that it would be utterly incomprehensible for a gay person to believe that Baal man may have also dressed inappropriately – lest he be a self loathing homophobe.
I’m as libertarian as they come, but yeah, he was dressed like an idiot last night. By your logic people should just go ancient Greek and fight naked and we’d all be gay-haters if we said boo. Bloody elbow staff and a lot of the posters are so desperate to tr and attach some kind of intellectualism to mma (when the sport is already filled with it) in order to drown out the tools that you go making victims where there are none, when I fact to most reasonable, non-gay-bashing people, hetero and homo, understand that it’s not as big a deal as you’re making it. Jeez you guys do this shit all the time it’s so ridiculous. Newsflash: the LGBTQ community doesn’t need you as a hero dude. It’s so arrogant and condescending. Like trying extra hard to hold a handicaps person hand. It’s like a not-funny version of Michael Scott dealing with Oscar or race relations. Seriously dude.
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by troy145 on Aug 7, 2011 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That’s a pretty homophobic thing of you to say. You shouldn’t reduce someone’s identity to crude euphemisms for their sexual organs!!
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x
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
meh
if not wanting to see someone in a speedo during an MMA fight or not wanting to see some European on the beach is considered “homophobic” these days, then sign me up I guess. This word gets thrown around so often these days that it means virtually nothing.
Don't sign up!!! You can never go to San Francisco again
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Wtf is wrong with you America? What is this stuff about European on the beach?!
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in gulf side Florida at least
just say hello to anyone in a speedo on the beach and there is a 99% chance they are from Europe.
We wear trunks ’round hurr.
At this point this whole thread is one really bad Austin Powers movie
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Naw
This thread is like the second Austin Powers movie, that is to say fucking great.
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I actually enjoyed them all. There is always a place for mindless humor, and Mike Myers does a good job filling that need.
except the The Love Guru… Fuck The Love Guru
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Well they got number 4 in the works
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
I'm stoked
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Could be good, could be horrible.
Not sure what’s left to do with the storyline.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Didn't stop them with Goldmember
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Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Well eating your own burned off skin had to be put in somewhere
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Hallman didn't stop with Goldmember either
Hiyoooo!
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Obviously the problem was that the shorts drew too much attention and made a joke out of the fight.
And the penile slip. Yes that too.
by J_Maddux on Aug 7, 2011 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Sonnen -------------> approves these shorts
"... All reined up in old language and old assumptions, straining to jump clean-hoofed on to a whole new track of being I only suspect is there. I can't see it, because my educated, average head is being held at the wrong angle..."
You're way off base here.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 7, 2011 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
After much deliberation Subo has decided to side with Professor Dana White.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 7, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Lock the thread. Subo has ended the great debate!
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
My older brother is gay.
I’m not going to have someone tell me I’m homophobic because I started rooting for Ebersole to kick his ass as soon as I saw his chosen attire.
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by Derek Suboticki on Aug 7, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever Tracy Morgan
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Good luck with that.
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by spectaa on Aug 7, 2011 5:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"Some of my best friends are black people."
It’s the oldest excuse in the book.
For the record, I don’t think you’re homophobic. However, knowing a minority or being related to a minority doesn’t necessarily preclude anyone from bigotry.
Clarification, please
I’m pretty sure the only thing you see on the video is the nutsack, not the schween. Correct me if I’m wrong. It sounds like some of you have examined the video very closely and can settle this. It’s very important.
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Stylin' in my Speedos® and darin' you to stare.
by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 7, 2011 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
REC
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Who will be the first to make a GIF of this?
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You're just not comfortable with the male form spectaa
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Dude, take one for the team. We’re behind you on this. You’re the only hope. Do it. Do it now.
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Stylin' in my Speedos® and darin' you to stare.
by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 7, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
We know what you'll be working on
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Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
I think it’s good for the UFC to have memorable moments like this. Hairrow vs. The Banana Hammock lives forever, no matter what. That is pretty cool for both guys.
"If I wanted to spend a half hour between two hairy legs I'd go to your mother's house." -Don Frye
homophobe
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Hey, why don't you kick a disabled guy in the nads when he's down, Dana?!?
Remember, Hallman has Coeliac Disease, and maybe those were therapeutic shorts prescribed by his physician.
Dana’s gonna feel like a total chump when he remembers that. We all will.
*sniffle…
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Stylin' in my Speedos® and darin' you to stare.
Bas Rutten won't care
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Just checked my twitter and Facebook feeds from last night
Had a bunch of FEMALES complaining about Hallman’s attire as well. Not liking his speedo isn’t necessarily homophobic, mkay? Besides, as this very piece points out, his junk actually did get exposed. Not cool.
by Rob Young on Aug 7, 2011 3:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah
Women can’t be homophobic or anything.
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Clearly they can't be mkay
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
We all know had Big Country worn those shorts no one would care
Hallman just doesn’t have the washboard abs to pull it off like Roy
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Here's the GIF
of the antics at the beginning of the fight. Anybody still want to argue if Hallman was behaving appropriately?
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
Aside from the wardrobe mishap
There was really nothing wrong with his antics
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Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Was there anything wrong with his antics?
Was there anything wrong with Anderson Silva dancing around the ring and not taking his opponents seriously? Cause Dana didn’t allow that either.
But … but … the unified rules!?!
The Unified Rules don’t say its illegal to give your opponent a Roman Helmet (Google it), but I’m pretty sure it would get a fighter banned.
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Lawler entrance
is a loving tribute. This is a mockery.
There’s a subtle difference, but Dana knows it when he sees it.
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Hahahahahahahah
Wait, seriously? That’s what you’re going with?
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What about when he had Petruzelli on a leash?
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Timidity is against the unified rules
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OH SHIT
And Anderson warned. Killed him again on his own track.
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Nice work on the Lawler entrance, btw
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You don't seem to understand
If Dana objects to a fighter’s performance, he has a right to express his displeasure, up to an including firing him (which Dana hasn’t done—all he did was give the opponent a bonus and say he was “disgusted.”)
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Yeah
He has the right to say that, and he looks like a dick saying it.
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MORE HOMOPHOBIA!
At the post-fight press conference for Saturday’s UFC 112 in Abu Dhabi, UFC President Dana White unsurprisingly said he was "embarrassed" by the actions of middleweight champ Anderson Silva in a successful-but-criticized title defense over Demian Maia.
"I don’t think I’ve been more embarrassed in the 10 years of being in this business," said White. "It’s the first I’ve ever walked out on a main event, given the belt to the guy’s manager and told him to put it on him."
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Thanks for introducing me to a new term!
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by Underhand Left on Aug 7, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
What made you think of a man laying his nuts on another man's forehead?
In this thread of all threads?
Totally apropriate
He was goofing around? How is that not appropriate?
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Fuck that Neil
You know this was so much worse than the Bisping spit. Tito’s shirt’s, Brock’s rant, etc
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Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
And that’s inappropriate because……?
This guy is just stretching and getting ready to brawl.
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Stylin' in my Speedos® and darin' you to stare.
by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 7, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The joke started backfiring the moment the fabric started irritating his ass.
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Not as bad as when Sylvia wanted to fart to make his opponent uncomfortable
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He should've sharted mid mount
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
He would have gotten the tapout
And we would have all seen the creation of the Shart Submission
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OK. Homophobia is the fear of Homosexuals. What’s homosexual about a speedo? What’s wrong with being offended by closeups of a guys bulging sack over and over? Stop trying your hardest to defend minorities that don’t need it.
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Aug 7, 2011 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Any guy who can't take a cock to the face and not be offended is clearly homophobic, or gay.
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Yeah. Gonna move to a black neighborhood for a few years, don’t want to be racist too.
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Aug 7, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol @ comparing living in a black community to having a cock in your face.
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by troy145 on Aug 7, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec because I didn't catch it
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It’s pretty insulting to minorities. It reveals a kind of pretentious, “oh, they need Us to defend them. What would the gay community/african Americans/immigrants/etc do without me to tell them when to be offended?!”
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
Exactly. I have a few gay friends and 10$ says if they were MMA fans they wouldn’t give a shit about any aspect of this situation. Id just rather not see schlong.
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Aug 7, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Why else would they be minorities?
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this is how you do it Roth. Take notes.
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by thetakeover on Aug 7, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
What a ridiculous post….
I love my gay friends and I laughed hard when I saw the thong, I can still completely see White’s point and agree with it though. Seriously, enough with the overly PC attitude.
by Empty Thoughts on Aug 7, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Again
Who’s being more puritanical. The dude who writes a post, or the dude that completely over reacts to a guy wearing a speedo?
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Dude he is in love with his gay friends
He’s clearly an overcompensating homophobe
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
It was silly and tacky, imho. I would rather don't have to see it b/c that look-at-me schtick. But there is an actual issue with homophobia, I think.
Nothe that I may have a double standard for frowning on them tight speedoes when I don’t frown over in-cage antics like jumping all over the fence of screaming around…feel free to point that out to me.
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I fall somewhere in the middle of homophobia and don't want to see any guy in a speedo
which is a nice middle to be in I think… and if you disagree I persecute your beliefs
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Is it overreacting on White’s part though? He is trying to build up a company and keeps a iron fist on what is done with it. Hallman’s thong while funny goes completely against what he is trying to do and the wardrobe malfunction could end up causing a ton of grief. I don’t think it will, but it could. White is completely in the right to take issue with it imo.
This post on the other hand though is just the standard taking up of the arms post. It doesn’t matter if those arms need to be taken up or not, they will be if they can be. I mean the whole post is written on what, Fagan’s emphasis not White’s.
by Empty Thoughts on Aug 7, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
White said nothing at all about homosexual people in his comments. He didn’t even allude to them. If I were gay, I’d be more offended by this article than by Dana’s comments, as the article infers that wearing tight, brightly colored speedos can be directly associated with gay men. This is hyper-sensitive.
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by Kevin Haggerty on Aug 7, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If you watch closely, the "reveal" was due to an illegal move by the opponent
Pretty sure I saw Ebersole grab the shorts and snap the elastic very violently. Someone could have gotten seriously hurt. Probably damaged the elastic, leading to the unfortunate incident that I and millions of other didn’t notice at the time but were horrified to learn of much later. I’m still indignant.
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Stylin' in my Speedos® and darin' you to stare.
THIS ISN'T THE ULTIMATE PENIS CHAMPIONSHIP
DO YOU WANNA BE A FUCKING FIGHTER OR A GAY
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by Chris Hines on Aug 7, 2011 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Thos are man-cuddles and man-play. It ain't the same bro...
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"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
being there live, it certainly brought out the worst in some of the crowd.
one asshole behind me actually yelled out ‘beat up that queer!’ to the disgust of most of the section we were in. THAT was homophobic.
others in the audience sort of echoed that sentiment and booed Hallman when he showed whatever offense he dished out just because of what he was wearing. a man in speedos really doesn’t have anything to do with sexuality to me.
yet Dana may have simply not wanted to have an exposed cock during the broadcast. if that’s what he meant [and we cannot be sure, due to lack of tone], it is a legitimate complaint. there was far more hate and ignorance in the select group of assholes that were spectating, not Dana.
by Victor Rodriguez on Aug 7, 2011 4:04 PM EDT reply actions
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brotherly love my black ass.
the crowd was very disappointing and rude – not to mention seemingly uneducated as to what they were there to see. any amount of inactivity or gridlock and the boos just rained down. not to mention the fistfight that broke out on the floor seats.
by Victor Rodriguez on Aug 7, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
So is it homophobic if I am reading a magazine and I flick past adverts for men’s underwear?
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by StevenGiles on Aug 7, 2011 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It's not that White's directly attacking the queer community that makes his comments homophobic
rather, it’s his overreaction to the shorts and the societal association of “immodesty” and homosexuality that make his comments homophobic.
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So intent no longer has anything to do with speech?
by Empty Thoughts on Aug 7, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
What was his intent then
if it wasn’t to say that Hallman queering the standards set on male attire was “disgusting”
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has walked into the Octagon wearing an evening gown and holding the hands of his cornerman. He did so again tonight and Dana loves the guy. Homophobia is a serious accusation and I’ll give Dana the benefit of the doubt. He definitely overreacted, I thought they were goofy but altogether not a big deal. But i think it’s something he personally didn’t want to see and not based on it being “gay looking”.
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by Genki Sudo's Choreographer on Aug 7, 2011 4:38 PM EDT reply actions
You run into a lot of penis in my line of work, Mr. Joe Rogan
Seriously, that shit was too small for functionality’s sake alone and that’s why they should change company policy on uniforms.
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nah, not gold.
It probably bothers a lot of readers than a writer on here would make such a ridiculous leap of logic to call Dana’s actions pertaining to Hallman’s attire “homophobic”. There was nothing homosexual about Hallman’s stunt. He was obviously trying to outdo Ebersole’s “hairrow” in tackiness and he surpassed Ebersole by leaps and bounds, but it wasn’t anywhere near as creative. It was pretty tasteless and Dana agreed. As for comparing it to the old pro wrestling garb, this was a bit worse and was somewhere in between that and a thong, probably closer to the thong side. I simply don’t see how a rational person would level homophobia charges against Dana White not wanting to see someone participate in MMA while wearing something that was that revealing. Again, it seems to me like quite the leap of logic.
by Rob Young on Aug 7, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed completely
Gold was referring to the amount of traffic his story generated. Fagan’s rant
"This is blatant homophobia. It made Dana White feel funny cagesideis ludicrous. I was watching the fights with some girls and they even felt skirmish citing the issue of a wardrobe malfunction when Hallman was taking Ebersole’s back. I feel Fagan is way too sensitive but thats ok.
It always amazes me how ignorant people are.
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by spectaa on Aug 7, 2011 5:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
“This is blatant homophobia”. Oh please. This has to do with taste not homosexuality. Homosexual and heterosexual people alike laughed at those shorts. I think to link those shorts with homosexuality in this article shows far more homophobia than White’s comments. Hallman was trying to get a reaction and he did.
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stop making sense
we need more irrational outrage for page views
hey look it’s working, mission accomplished
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It's not really a stretch to see how societal views associate Hallman's shorts with queerness
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Homophobia?
Are you fucking kidding me? Hallman is straight, and Dana said nothing about this being “gay” or “unmanly”. I mean, I found it funny, but the UFC brass didn’t. What is homophobic about this? I’m officially done with this website. Sensational articles and pointless topics that serve only to “stir the pot” is all that BloodyElbow has turned into. Great job on getting page hits and totally avoiding actual content.
by Kaibo on Aug 7, 2011 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was funny, albeit impractical
bigger shorts means more room for sponsor logos!
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by Loot on Aug 7, 2011 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
“The sweet stench of homophobia” is a very artfully crafted heading.
Not playing the hobby psycho-analyst in terms of what fueled Dana’s overreaction. It’s mostly just weird and unfortunate that this dominates the post-event discussion – In part because of Dana’s overreaction lol
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SERIOUSLY MIKE FAGAN ?
“Homosexual and heterosexual people alike laughed at those shorts. I think to link those shorts with homosexuality in this article shows far more homophobia than White’s comments.”
THIS.
How can you link this to homosexuality is beyond common sense. Yes this outfit was inappropriate and you don’t have to be hetero to think so.
You re just giving credits to myths around gay people, like if gay people wears those kind of outfits. You re just an idiot who think he’s doing justice to homosexuals when in fact you are doing the opposite. dummy.
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by zzwab on Aug 7, 2011 6:13 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Homaphobia...WTF ?
How do you think the owner of the NBA would re-act if it’s players came out to play in ’speedo’s’, or how about the NFL’s owners if there players came out in full protective gear…but in speedo’d (I purposely left out the NHL…LOL)
It was poor taste in an effort to cry out for attention at the end of a lack-luster career. Ebersole committed the same offense imo w/ the arrow shaved on his chest…“equally as dis-tasteful imo”
Every sport has it’s attire regulations and if you don’t regulate ‘em sh*t like Hallman’s ‘poom-poom’ shorts will happen again… there is a time and place for everything. WRONG TIME & PLACE !
Dana is smack in the middle of building a sport, a brand, a Co. that will rival that of the NBA/NBL/etc. His re-action was on point and it’s the homophobes that are twisting it into something it’s not.
There are some really, really ignorant people in the world...
From meatheads to self-righteous blowhards, and it seems the internet attracts them like flies on shiat.
Things are only as hyperbolic as we make them. Does everything have to be a crusade or an outrage?
The fact that so many people were outraged by Hallman’s attire says a lot of about MMA fandom. You can not like it but actually offended? Thinking it’s okay to fire him over it?
It’s two thousand eleven. Come on. Actually taking away his livelihood when he had previously beaten two name fighters before this because he played a joke? You already watch sweaty men grapple and his attire outrages you? Seriously?
by Hawk52 on Aug 7, 2011 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Who in the fuck wants Hallman fired?
If anything, speaking for myself, I was happy that Dennis didn’t get fired and Dana did act rashly.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Aug 7, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
*didn’t
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by BVandDietPepsi on Aug 7, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
He apparently didn't read anything past the article itself.
Which is sad since that was the worst part of this entire thread…
by Empty Thoughts on Aug 7, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel stupid having to point this out but,
every modern society in the world has a basic set of dress standards based on an appropriate level of dress and most have laws in place against things like “indecent exposure” to prevent people from wearing clothes which would be “disgusting” to the majority of the public.
The fact is that if you walked around in what Hallman was wearing you’d be arrested in a hell of a lot of places.
Next time Mr Fagan is walking through the shops he should have a look around and think of how many people he’d rather not see in their underpants. It’s not homophobic, racist, ageist, or any other kind of discrimination to state your objection to having someone else’s genitals paraded in front of your face unnecessarily and without your consent.
The point is Hallman INTENTIONALLY wore pants which were excessively revealing to compete in a fight. He’s not a model and (I assume) nobody paid for the fights in order to see Hallmans junk. If the event was advertised as ‘UFC 133: Hallman in budgie smugglers’ then nobody would have any right to be complaining.
For the record I thought it was freaking hilarious, but given how offensive it would be to a lot of people I think its pretty ridiculous for the owner of the company to be labelled a homophobe for saying it was disgusting.
by Detective Squirts on Aug 7, 2011 9:01 PM EDT reply actions
Ready for the party bro?
After the snoozefest that was Rivera / Costa I enjoyed this.
heck, I always had a laugh when Chris Pontius played partyboy on Jackass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctnH_LvhKgE
Anybody who doesn't want to dance with Party Boy
Is obviously homophobic
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Mr. Fagan
You kind of taking this interpretation with Dana’s comments on homophobia a little too far. I am surprised considering you had to defend yourself many, many posts ago regarding your comments in the “This week’s quotes” installment about Rampage and his 6, 7, or kids which many interpreted as being racist
by The Bronzeville Bully on Aug 7, 2011 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
850-plus comments, and no one has mentioned Mike Easton yet? Dana won’t like those shorts, either.
I couldn’t get through the comments, because so many of them said, “Did you miss the part of the article that addressed exactly that point?” And there was actually no part of the article that addressed that point, unless the post was changed.
hahahahaha
This is a ridiculous article. Homophobic? He was grossed out about some pale man wearing an article of clothing that could barely keep his genitalia covered while competing in a sport with a live audience. So what if they used that type of outfit in professional wrestling. As if there isn’t enough comparisons with MMA and pro wrestling already. If somebody wore that with their jersey in the NBA, it would be just as bad. This is a stupid thing to even consider complaining about. Dana White was grossed out by it and he expressed that. Big deal. I thought it was gross too. Just like a fat chick in a bikini. That doesn’t make me heterophobic.
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by Matty Euripides Castourkas on Aug 8, 2011 12:16 AM EDT reply actions
what, you don't like dick in your face?
HOMOPHOBE!
by rapsody on Aug 8, 2011 2:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Are you seriously acusing
the president of a company whose product is showcasing sweaty men rubbing against each other of homophobia?
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I’m missing something important here. What was the reason Hallman opted for speedo this time? was he worries about Ebersole grabbing his shorts or something? Some publicity? because I think he got exactly the opposite
by Carlos Estrada-Ibars Martínez on Aug 8, 2011 9:01 AM EDT reply actions
This was not your best work, sir.
Far from it.
Why do you refer to Hallman’s attire as lavender or lilac despite the fact that it was neither color? Does it subtly further your narrative, based only on inference, of Dana’s reaction reeking of homophobia, since purple has (and still is, see Spirit day) been associated with LGBTs?
You refer to Bryant as, “leading motorboat reporter Karyn Bryant.” What purpose does this serve? Does it somehow illuminate her views on mixed martial artists competing in swim briefs? Or does the fact that she was put into a situation highlighting sexual attitudes in sport mean the mention is fair game? If so, if Erin Andrews had been asking the question, what would you have called her?
The reference to Shonie Carter’s briefs is the best point that can be found in the article. But to be fair, Carter’s briefs actually still fit him after he put his cup in. Hallman’s didn’t. Furthermore, don’t you think that Dana being okay with Carter’s briefs, but not with Hallman’s, completely undercuts your main point regarding homophobia? Right after you mention Carter, which Dana never railed against, you say that it would be understandable if Dana’s concern was due to the possibility of nudity… then you say the “shorts” themselves were the problem. It seems like that actually argues for the lack of well fitting briefs was the problem, more than the briefs.
And the last paragraph? It’s actually pretty sickening to read. It’s not even half a step up from, “Everyone who disagrees with me is a Zuffa Zombie!” I expected more from you than a preemptive dismissal of dissenting opinions where you subtly congratulate yourself for not being like the credentialed media.
Homophobia is a very serious issue, and I’m glad that there are members of the sports media that are willing to tackle the issue when it comes up. But that doesn’t mean they are always right in their judgement of what’s homophobic. I think your article fails miserably at supporting your opinion.
by SmackyBear on Aug 8, 2011 9:21 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Everyone has to like everything everyone does
or you’re a racist homophobe that hates puppies and gays.
Wow Fagan you’re an idiot. Just because the man doesn’t want to see Hallmans dong while he’s fighting that makes him homophobic? You’re the first person I’ve heard of that doesn’t fully support White’s reaction. No one wants to see this fruitcakes dick on their tv screen (whether it actually pops out of not).
On top of that do people seriously still use the word homophobic? It’s a completely inaccurate term, I may hate gays but that doesn’t equal being afraid of them.
Go back to your favorite bar Fagan I’m assuming it’s called the man hole or the rainbow room, put something back in your mouth and stfu.
Is this what you wanted to see Fagan?
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