UFC 134 Results: Palhares Camp Says Miller Verbally Submitted, Miller Camp Denies
by Nate Wilcox on Aug 29, 2011 11:05 AM EDT
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If you were wandering what was going on during the UFC 134 Spike TV preliminary fight between Rousimar Palhares and Dan Miller that caused Palhares to stop attacking and start celebrating before the referee actually stopped the fight, here's what Palhares' coach Murilo Bustamante tweeted:
@dudutatame @AnaHissa @portaldovt @graciemag_br He told me that he stoped bc his opponent said "stop stop" when he was punching him hard...less than a minute ago via web 
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@dudutatame @AnaHissa @portaldovt @graciemag_br Who can say now that Toko isn't a fair fighter? He is just too naive, but he has a big heartless than a minute ago via web Favorite Retweet ReplyMurilo Bustamante
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Miller's coach contacted Sherdog and denied Palhares' and Bustamante's account:
"Dan assures me he did not say a word during that exchange," Constantino wrote in an email to Sherdog.com. "Needless to say that with the loud crowd, the language barrier, the adrenaline rush and every other factor involved -- including ‘do not stop until the ref pulls you off' -- I do not believe that Toquinho pulled up because of Dan murmuring ‘stop, stop.' The fact remains that Dan Miller did not say ‘stop, stop' -- there is no need to argue the toughness and mettle of Dan Miller, however I just have to put the facts on the table after hearing this."
While Miller did not appear to protest the "stoppage" as he stood back up and walked to his corner, Constantino said that was only because the 30-year-old believed the fight had actually been stopped.
"He could not see and by Toquinho's reaction, Dan assumed Herb stopped the fight," wrote Constantino. "Once he heard us screaming to turn around and the fight wasn't stopped, he ran across the Octagon to continue fighting."
Hopefully Palhares will master the whole "protect yourself at all times" and "don't stop fighting until instructed by the referee" bits for his next fight.
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Take it easy, Paul. Why don’t you stop talking for awhile? Maybe sit the next couple plays out.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Aug 29, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions
Whether it’s holding a heelhook for too long, grabbing the fence repeatedly, or not beating a guy up until the referee ends the fight… Palhares lives by one rule. Fuck rules.
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by Zachary Kater on Aug 29, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Which rule was he breaking by holding the heelhook for too long?
He was instructed to hold it until the ref intervened. People like you cried foul and what he did against Miller was his adjustment to appease those with your opinion. And yet you still complain that he’s breaking the rules both times. It’s fucking hilarious.
by Rob Young on Aug 29, 2011 11:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It wasnt just the people who cried foul
The commission did as well.
by captainStevo on Aug 29, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
He was instructed to hold it until the ref intervened.
And yet he continued to crank it while the referee was intervening, and had to have his arms pried off of Drwal’s leg by the ref, just as in several fights earlier in his career in Brazil where he refused to let go after an opponent tapped.
by Scott Haber on Aug 29, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
he held it in place.
He didn’t continue to crank. If he continued to crank he would have tore every ligament and snapped ankle bones. Huge difference.
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by the-gentle-way on Aug 29, 2011 11:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Fair point,
but still, when the referee has to forcibly pry your arms off of the guy’s leg…that’s a problem.
by Scott Haber on Aug 29, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
While I agree the hold was a bit extreme
Considering he is trained by Bustamante I kind of understand holding the submission a little long just because of (like they mentioned in the PPV) fights where Bustamante let the sub go due to a tap and the ref didn’t see it. It’s like how Royce used to hold his submissions a little long after he let go of one after a tap and the ref didn’t see that one either.
yeah , kinda
But at the same time you are losing a possible 100% increase in pay if the ref misses the tap. The harder someone touches me the more I would think its my opponent touching me. he needs to be a little bit more aware. Fighters are generally a little off.
Occupational hazard I suppose. You are gonna be in the cage with some slightly off center dudes.
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by the-gentle-way on Aug 29, 2011 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, as Scott said... It was the fact he didn't let go immediately upon the ref intervening..
And the word here was he had a reputation for that shit before ever fighting in the UFC.
Besides, I was being facetious, no need to be all huffy.
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by Zachary Kater on Aug 29, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Palhares lives by one rule...kick ass.
if he had not stop the fight himself he would have finished that fight…I think at least THAT is clear. So…why the controversy? he got emotional, and he has a history of getting emotional during fights, he still kicks ass, and he was clearly much stronger than miller and he was clearly winning
by Gisele Federico Navarro Mendez on Aug 29, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Why the controversy?
Like this is the first time Palhares has been the subject of scrutiny regarding his behavior in the cage?
by Matt Buckley on Aug 29, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s a loose cannon. There’s no two ways about it. Any one incident can be explained/justified to an extent, but the Drwal fight, the bizarre moment in the Marquardt fight, the repeated cage grabbing even when having his had forcibly removed (Dean should have taken a point, not that it would have mattered in the end), punching blatantly after the bell: it all adds up to a pretty obvious conclusion that he’s got a few more screws loose than the average fighter.
I consider myself a softcore fan.
it all adds up to a pretty obvious conclusion that he’s got a few more screws loose than the average fighter.
That is probably true, and it is saying something considering the mental state of the “average fighter” (as opposed to that of the high level fighters), but I think he just has a mix of too much berserker and a low ring-IQ.
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by The American Ronin on Aug 30, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you really think he would have stopped if he didn't think the fight was over?
I mean, he clearly wasn’t trying to violate a rule there, so it doesn’t go with your other examples. He had Miller hurt, and if he didn’t think the fight was over, he would have kept pounding on him. It seems like an honest mistake that didn’t really hurt Miller (quite to the contrary) and was frankly pretty funny to watch, so I don’t see how we can get bent out of shape over it.
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by Dave Strummer on Aug 29, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s seemingly oblivious to the way an MMA match works. It’s hilarious to me. Even the cage grabbing. Herb had to try to pry his fingers from it at one point.
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by Zachary Kater on Aug 29, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if he's the sharpest of tacks
and I think he struggles with the language barrier more than most non-English-speaking fighters, but I think if anything, that speaks against your assertion that his operating motto is “fuck the rules.”
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by Dave Strummer on Aug 29, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely seemed like an honest mistake
but the ability to unilaterally declare victory could definitely be classed under ‘fuck the rules’. Ref? What Ref? The fights over when I say it’s over.
I’m not wringing my hands about that part of it. But the cage grabbing and punching after the bell bother me because they’re dirty fighting.
And for a guy who claims to have trouble with the language barrier, to stop fighting before the ref breaks up the fight based on what he thought the fighter said is…puzzling.
I consider myself a softcore fan.
haha Palhares is the true Honey Badger of mma!
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by SentientAndroid on Aug 29, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Has anyone considered
that maybe Palhares isn’t the spawn of satan, but maybe the guy is just kinda dumb? He’s obviously been confused by the ref in several fights, whether he’s holding onto a submission too long, getting the shit knocked out of him for consulting the ref while under fire, or walking away from a sure- fire stoppage before the ref stops the fight… I tend to think that maybe Paul isn’t the brightest Harris on the block.
Sure, he could be a raging dick, but sometimes I look at his face and wonder if there aren’t some screws missing here and there.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 30, 2011 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
That has always been my assumption
I’ve seen him interviewed and he comes across as super down to earth, humble, etc.
He bought his mother a house after one of his first UFC fights. He was homeless when he started training BJJ. He comes from very, very humble beginnings. I don’t think he has malevolent intentions.
It all has to be pretty alien fighting in front of thousands of people where they speak another language. I think it’s a combination of that and, yeah, not being the sharpest tool in the shed.
Of course Bustamante was adamant that Marquardt greased his legs as well,
so he’s pretty much bound to say whatever makes Palhares look better.
Yeah
How can you argue against the paper towel check? Marquardt, a verified two time cheater, was just sweaty.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 29, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
They developed that test at NASA
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Aug 29, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Meh,
Paul Harris and his peeps also tried to accuse Dan Henderson of being “slippery” too after their fight when he slipped out of so many submission attempts.
UFC is my favorite sport and I’ve been watching and training it since Dana White invented it back in the early 90s. I’m not really into all the ground stuff, and every time I’ve ever tried any of it I end up getting banned from the gyms for my "problem" with frequent erections. My favorite fighter is without a doubt War Machine who’s just too real for all of you pussies to handle, and I wouldn’t hesitate to sacrifice my anus to him anytime if need be (it’s not gay if you’re an ALPHA).
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Why would he learn to fight until the ref tells you to stop?
Its not like he’s learned it yet. Seriously, the Nate fight left a sore taste in my mouth. This dude is out there, not quite Filho crazy, but pretty weird.
Watch the fight with him and Tomasz Drwal, then report back.
by Rob Young on Aug 29, 2011 11:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How do you guys just get these fights whenever you please?
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
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If I were a pro he is not a guy I would ever even care to even roll with, and I sure as hell wouldn’t fight him if I could help it.
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by The American Ronin on Aug 30, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
"including ‘do not stop until the ref pulls you off'"
I wonder if the Miller camp would have been saying this had Palhares grabbed a leg. Somehow, I doubt it.
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It was such a strange
sequence of events. When Miller knocked him down I think he should have got up and celebrated too.
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2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 29, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I have a lot of trouble believing that even if Miller did want out,
he would have said "Stop, stop!"
These are professional fighters, not kids getting beat up on the playground. They know how to tap out, or how to verbally tap out (Hughes vs. GSP 3) if they want the fight to stop.
I also question whether a fighter with the heart of Dan Miller would ever even think of tapping to strikes. It just seems pretty clear that Bustamante is trying to cover Palhares’s ass, even if it means fabricating a story.
So "tap, tap"
Is more professional than saying “stop, stop”? It’s not official if he says it wrong?
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
I didn’t realize there was a recognized proper way to “verbally tap.” What is it?
I’m trying to think of a good way to fit the Magnum T.A. – Tully Blanchard “I Quit” match into this comment but I’m drawing a blank.
Not exactly sure, but Herb Dean has discussed it before.
He has mentioned that in the pre-fight meetings, he instructs fighters how properly tap, both physically and verbally, so there’s no confusion or controversy.
by Scott Haber on Aug 29, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Same with Mirgliotta. He says not to say anything at all while fighting unless you want to tap. When guys yell “I’m ok!” when they’re getting beat up, the ref might hear something different, so he he tells them not to say anything at all unless they want out.
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by Tim Bernier on Aug 29, 2011 12:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Couture said "That's enough" against Rodriguez, I think.
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In some rule sets
Screaming out in pain is looked at as a verbal tap.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 29, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i hate this rule
If I was a fighter and I screamed in pain and the ref stopped it I would be pissed. Its a natural reflex but doesnt mean the fighter actually wants to stop the fight
by Our Bovine Public on Aug 29, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Quit moaning like a bitch in heat when you fight and you won’t run into that problem.
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by the-gentle-way on Aug 29, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
That's how Mazzagatti does it.
Just look at Rousey vs. D’Alelio.
See Hughes/GSP III. Hughes yells ‘TAP TAP TAP’ and the fight is stopped.
That’s usually how it works in bjj matches as well.
not just usually, its always how it works
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by the-gentle-way on Aug 29, 2011 12:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think Dan tapped
But I do think Palhares thought he did.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 29, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
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by The American Ronin on Aug 30, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I've seen Miller fight a lot of times and I don't believe he knows how to quit in a fight.
“Miller? Tap to strikes?” Does not compute.
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by doonerthesooner on Aug 29, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't believe a thing Palhares say
Something tells me that he probably came from a wealthy family in Brasília and not the favelas.
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Wow
That’s low. So unbelievably low.
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by YPG on Aug 29, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah really
Palhares isn’t even that bad of a guy. He fucking walked away too early and people are all up in arms about his cheating. The closest he’s ever come to cheating was holding a leg lock for a few extra seconds, until the ref stopped him. A few wall grabs and what have you, and now he is a horrible person who cannot be trusted, or a guy with mental disabilities.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
FWIW Wikipedia says he grew up poor. Though I suspect that socio-economic class is of limited analytic value in this case.
by Finian1 on Aug 29, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Word
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 29, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Aww come on it is just a joke.
The dude has a history of cheating and doing very odd things in the cage. I’m not calling him a bad guy or a horrible person, but he is weird. This is Pal Harris.
As far as his background is concerned, was that statement really offensive. I don’t know, I’ll watch my mouth next time.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 29, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The strangest thing of all of this
Who the hell would have thought Toquinho would have knocked Miller down with not one, but TWO kicks? A front kick and a head kick with his shin catching flush on Miller’s head?
The whole thing was bizarre, but I take out of this that Palhares’ opponents have a lot to be worried about in the future. That, and Rousimar is part silverback.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 29, 2011 11:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
also
I know that you’re supposed to keep going until the ref stops you- but Dan wasn’t defending. He was turtling and not stopping the onslaught at that point. If Rousimar had landed like two more punches Dean would have stopped the fight. I think he was trying to erase the image of a dirty fighter and it cost him.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 29, 2011 11:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Go to 4:25 of round 1. SOMEONE yells the word “stop,” and Palhares releases immediately.
by Rich Hansen on Aug 29, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Just watched it again
and It sounds like the yelling is herb dean saying fight back, the word back was louder and almost sounds like hes saying STOP
fwiw - When I was watching the fight, live, I thought I heard a fairly clear 'stop!' almost simultaneously as Mr. Harris was standing up,
but was confused by seeing Herb Dean not intervening (and the fact I wouldn’t never assume a Miller brother to be verbally submitting). I went back and watched it once after, and didn’t hear it nearly as prevelent as I thought I had originally. I’ll have to go back now out of curiosity.
Strange fight all around, especially with Miller dropping him upon restart. Wild!
Paul Harris obviously thought the fight was stopped, he was in a dominant position and pounding Miller. I think it was a language barrier caused freak occurrence. Ironically, the fight would have worked out better for Dan had the fight been stopped. If Paul Harris would have kept punching Miller, he would not have taken the countless hard shots to his head that he ended up taking in the next round.
"I think he doesn't accept punches very well. I don't know why." - JDS speaking of Brock Lesnar
Maybe a freak occurance if a similar thing hadn't already happened in the Marquardt fight
On either end of a beating, you keep fighting until the ref stops it. If you want to address an alledged greasing incident, that’s what between rounds is for.
Someone above mentioned that possibly he was trying to undo his ‘bad boy’ image to some degree. That sounds nice, and if he was, bravo, but I doubt those are the types of thoughts crossing his mind at that time. He should have kept attacking till Dean stepped in. No one is upset that Shogun bounced Forrest’s melon off the ground about 4x, because the ref had not intervened yet, and those are the rules, which all fighters (should) know by now.
love me some paul harris
hope he returns to the octagon soon!
by elmojo on Aug 29, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
A Miller brother verbally tapping to strikes is like Chael Sonnen telling the truth.
Just doesn’t exist.
by pud333 on Aug 29, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He was one second away from being finished
Then a freak accident, and you all call Paul a liar and cheater.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
In a way, Paul hurt himself in this
this was his chance to make an impression on the Brazilian fans (possibly start hype for a title shot and get more sponsors) but his eagerness makes him look kinda wish washy / not ready for the main event status.
So instead of being the next “real” contender in Brazilian eye, he’ll be the guy “that thought he won to early”.
Maybe this gets him more publicity
Conspiracy?
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
Nah
That was a dominating performance against a good competitor (one of the cards was 30-25, which is insane, but still). His premature celebration is a footnote to a solid win, not the thing people will take away from the fight.
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by Dave Strummer on Aug 29, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I was baffled by how Palhares didn’t lose a point that fight. If punching someone after the bell, and then blatantly grabbing the fence multiple times to stop a takedown and maintain dominate position doesn’t cost you a point what would? If Palhares had been properly docked a point for his fence grabbing and the fight restarted the second round might have been completely different. Miller probably would have still lost but it certainly could have changed the fight.
If Palhares had been properly docked a point for his fence grabbing and the fight restarted the second round might have been completely different.
And if GSP had been properly docked a point for grabbing the cage 4 times while losing R1 of GSP/Kos 1 10-9 it would have been 10-8 and ended in a 28-28 draw instead of a 29-28 UD….
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by The American Ronin on Aug 30, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
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Heh, Miller wanting to fight while Harris was on the cage.
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by dancingChicken on Aug 29, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop
Watching it live I do remember hearing the word “Stop” though my guess is this was Herb warning Dan he was going to stop it if he didnt fight back
by Dana Hallengren on Aug 29, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions
I wasn’t really upset with Palhares about this incident other than thinking, “WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING???” when he started celebrating. I actually like Palhares. I was mostly upset because I like Miller SO much and didn’t think he was done. That’s what I was yelling – “HE’S NOT DONE!”. And then, everyone at my table yelled, “PUSH HIM OFF THE CAGE!!!”.
Honey badger don't care.
by KatGirl on Aug 29, 2011 12:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Same here
I like Palhares but I’ll never cheer for someone over a Miller and I was screaming when I saw Dan take off after him once he realized the fight was still on. How crazy would that have been? Palhares DQ by cage exit lol
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these fkn brazilians need to learn English
UFC should give them lessons
by MuyThaiGroinAssault on Aug 29, 2011 12:16 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
Chael can be the instructor
by MuyThaiGroinAssault on Aug 29, 2011 12:18 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
It’s unfortunate that Palhares absolute domination of Miller is overshadowed by the non-stoppage BS… i don’t remember Miller being dominated as much as he was here. I want to see Palhares vs Maia next.
Chael had his way with Miller,
but he certainly didn’t bust him up the way Palhares did.
by Scott Haber on Aug 29, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody ever came this close to actually finish Miller. Palhares was two or three strikes from finishing this fight, Herb Dean was just on top of Miller, ready to call the fight at any moment. Palhares dominated and hurt Miller like nobody else did before, and that includes Sonnen, Maia, Marquardt, Bisping, etc. Who thought Palhares’s kickboxing could improve this much between two fights?
What I don't understand about this "controversy"...
are people’s inexplicable anger with Palhares. It was a clumsy move for sure, but unlike holding a leg lock position and grabbing onto the cage, this only screwed himself over. He should’ve had a TKO stoppage in the 1st.
Definitely heard it.
Though it sounded like it came from the crowd considering how loud it was.
Something is indeed said at the same instant
that Palhares stands up. I think it was Herb saying something to address Dan, whereas Palhares mistook it for something else, due to obvious language barrier.
Really don’t see why people are ranting over this. Seems like an entirely honest mistake, as he pretty much heard something and assumed someone was putting a stop to it.
by babyoilbadboy on Aug 29, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was Herb...
saying “I’ll stop this”
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by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 29, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Listened again and this sounds about right to me. Of course, nothing is definite.
by babyoilbadboy on Aug 29, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I coached Special Olympics
for a few years before I had kids, and Paul Harris reminds me of my athletes. Let me clarify: basically I had a few athletes who when given instructions would carry them out at all costs, regardless of the environment or if the need changed (like a play in basketball or maintaining a position in hockey or something). Basically they would not stop unless someone told them to. They just went out and did. Paul Harris reminds me of this, basically he just goes until he is knocked out, or someone pulls his ass off of his opponent. The language barrier, cultural differences, whatever seem to plague him more than others, lol.
For the record I am not making a comment on his intelligence, just saying he shares some of the I don’t know, I just do mentality, lol. Hell, him stop early is a sign on growth perhaps.
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by wmuk on Aug 29, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow, last sentence is typo crazy, my two year old is helping me type, lol.
"This is the best BJ we have seen in a long time" - Joe Rogan
I agree. Whether language or anything else is to blame for his constant mess-ups, the guy just seems really determined not to ever experience his days in a mudhut again, at all costs, even if it involves clinging on to the cage and doing weird stuff from time to time. He seems genuine to me, even if slightly unprofessional at times. He seemed genuinely confused climbing down from that fence.
by babyoilbadboy on Aug 29, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that he confused Herb saying "fight back- I'll STOP the fight"...
with Miller saying stop.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 29, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions
seems likely
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by the-gentle-way on Aug 29, 2011 1:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My issue with Palhares is that late punch at the end of the first round. Shit was about as blatant as it gets.
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did u forget?
he’s paul harris, he’s his own ref in the octagon sucka!
pausing fights to check greased legs.. check
ending the fight on his own accord.. check
deciding when the round ends.. check
he is his own athletic commission too!
and it was such a game changer
Miller was never the same after that. To think in the loudest UFC in history, someone who had just been knocked down with a punch to the face did not have common sense to stop mid punch. Paul is such a jerk. I bet punching after the bell and let you opponent recover when you about to finish him was part of his game plan. What a jerk!
by RightTriangle on Aug 29, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
People are just trying to nail the walk off KO.
I don’t overly fault Paul Harris since he just harmed himself by doing it, he lost a good position with ground and pound, gave miller time to recover and started the fight standing again.
To me it looks like some guys are able to get the fight stopped 1 or 2 punches earlier by walking away.
I mean do you guys really want to tell this guy to be more vicious?
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by Sexytime on Aug 29, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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