Royce Gracie vs. Wallid Ismael in a Jiu Jitsu Classic
by Fraser Coffeen on Aug 26, 2011 11:00 AM EDT
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Today we wrap up our look at Brazil's odd MMA history with something a bit different. Because while it's fun to watch the riots, beach fights, and groin attacks, I don't want to give anyone the impression that this is all there is to Brazil's rich history. There's also amazing technique practiced by some of the world's absolute best. And while they sometimes showed that technique on a beach, they more typically showed it on the Jiu Jitsu mat.
Royce Gracie vs. Wallid Ismael
Rio Oscars of Jiu Jitsu
December 17, 1998
Here we have a Jiu Jitsu contest between two masters, with an ending that doesn't get nearly the attention it deserves.
By 1998, Royce Gracie was essentially retired from MMA, having walked away from the UFC over three years ago. Because of his status in the UFC, he had grown in stature to the point that he rivaled Rickson as the Gracie scalp most desired by challengers.
Here, a tough challenger is after that scalp. Wallid Ismael was on a personal quest to dethrone the Gracies, and he was doing it all with a Gracie in his corner. Ismael was the top student of Royce's cousin, Carlson Gracie, who had split from the family years before and been locked in a bitter family rivalry ever since. Ismael set out to prove that his master had the superior style, and the only way to do that, was to take down Royce Gracie.
As was often the case with Royce, the UFC legend demanded special rules for this contest. So what you have here is a Jiu Jitsu match with no time limit, no points, and no judges - the only way to win is by submission. Which was just fine by Ismael.
Video of the fight in the full entry.
In less than 5 minutes, Ismael managed to do what no man had done before - he defeated Royce Gracie, submitting him with a technique known as a clock choke. Legend has it Royce lost consciousness here to the point that he lost control of his bowels, adding further insult to injury.
Though it's often forgotten, this is a major moment in the history of the Gracie family, and, in turn, Brazil. Two years before Kazushi Sakuraba would wear down Royce over 90 minutes to hand him his first MMA loss, here we see the legend choked out. And by a man representing his cousin no less.
Sadly, Ismael's legend has never shined as brightly as that of Royce or even Sakuraba, but here you see his true skills and his rightful position as the original Gracie Hunter.
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As was often the case with Royce, the UFC legend demanded special rules for this contest. So what you have here is a Jiu Jitsu match with no time limit, no points, and no judges -the only way to win is by submission. Which was just fine by Ismael.
No time limit tournaments / fights are the essence of Gracie Jiu Jitsu. Otherwise its just a game.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 26, 2011 11:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
HERE HE COMES TO THE SAVE THE DAAAAAY!
I’m just kidding :D
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 26, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
:-p
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 26, 2011 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You could actually make a case that the Americans/UFC 'demanded special rules'
No limit/points/judges contests are better known as ‘fights’.
by CaptainArmbar on Aug 26, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Stupid rules...
Turning fighting into a sport…
by Damnatio Memoriae on Aug 26, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously
Tap , snap or Nap! It’s how men handle shit.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 26, 2011 1:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The world needs more Walid
Maybe not his comments on Ryan, but other than that…
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 26, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions
I hope the fan atmosphere is even crazier than this
for tomorrow night’s fights
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by Brian Hemminger on Aug 26, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
The fan atmosphere at local regional cards is crazy. I can’t even imagine what it will be like at UFC 134.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 26, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
also
The fight took four minutes and fifty three seconds, until Wallid defeated Gracie with the Relógio, the Clock Choke, a move that has been associated with Wallid ever since. After his win, Wallid said that if Royce’s team wanted a rematch they would have to pay him USD 200,000.00, a value that even the Gracie had never been paid at the UFC at that time. [
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 26, 2011 11:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Wallid is a psychopath… but he is awesome.
-AboveThisFire
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by Patrick Tenney on Aug 26, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions
Very gooda question
You know, having two mans. Two styles of a man. One man living by himself, this guy confident you undastan? Have another man this guy cock, this guy coward. Just stay a lot of guys on the side.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 26, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I at the beach, I by myself…Ryan look for me, there a lotta boollsheet.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 26, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, why didn't Rickson fight Wallid ever?
Wasn’t Rickson the family champion back then?
I find it really odd that he never fought either of the Gracie Hunters—though it is understandable why he dropped out of the Saku fight.
the family got suprisingly fractured after huge money started to roll in.
Rickson always said he would fight if the money was right. I think he wanted “Anderson Silva money” or it wasn’t worth his time.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 26, 2011 11:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rickson "abababa bababa bababa" stays inside the home
I beat four Gracies. I beat Ryan Gracie his cousin. I beat Ralph Gracie his cousin. I beat Renzo Gracie his cousin. I beat Royce Gracie his BROTHER! What are you gonna do? Nothing? Come on man, show up.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 26, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
this still to this day bums me out.
I wanted Rickson to fight Bas and Wallid. Sooooo bad I wanted this.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 26, 2011 11:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rickson is a cheekin
A Ryan Gracie cheekin.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 26, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Rickson Gracie is a God among men that no longer concerns himself with the squabbles of mortals!!!
You shut your gosh darn mouth Roth!!!! Lol
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 26, 2011 11:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Crazy, he called out Rickson about as clearly (wait, did I say that?) as one could… and crickets. I love broken english trash talk. It is a guilty pleasure of mine. He rivals… nay surpasses Werdum and JDS.
If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!
Wallid is the man. Too bad there wasn’t time for the Wallid/Ryan Gracie saga.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 26, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you
That was awesome!
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by hardlyworking on Aug 26, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
if there are two people in this world i dont wanna lose a street fight to , wallid is one of them.
I am not sure he would stop after he put you out.
Side note: I have a friend that trained at Raw Gym with Wallid . He said he is a super nice guy and trains like a mad man every day. One of the most dedicated practitioners he has ever met.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 26, 2011 11:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
wait...Royce ... "lost control of his bowels" in front of all these people???
by Gisele Federico Navarro Mendez on Aug 26, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions
? no one knows.
But that shit does happen when you get choked out.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 26, 2011 11:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
makes sense...
I know there are records of people being hanged to death pooping on their pants…but they actually died..
by Gisele Federico Navarro Mendez on Aug 26, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Stuff
Any Ismael matches are a good time.
الذين اذا اصابتهم مصيبة قالوا انا لله وانا اليه راجعون
Actually this is a good breakdown.
I had no idea what this choke was when I watched the fight. As long as you don’t mind Australian accents, this is a good and informative video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3245265516591051793
"All noble things are as difficult as they are rare."
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The whole Rickson Gracie thing just makes me laugh
It is such a crock of BS. Royce put his ass on the line and competed against the best. That is why Royce is always going to be known as the best Gracie of them all. Rickson always had the folklore, anecdotally touting his “400 wins” with no losses but you know what? I am 2000-0! Sayin aint doin!
If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!
Nonsense
Royce was never known as the best Gracie and for good reason.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 26, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Wallid is the man!
He just had alot of energy and he is exciting to watch fight.
He is a such a character..
Can you say "cock cok cock sack dong cock"?
Compating this to the last topic on Brazil’s MMA history, I’m just glad to see there’s so much less cock and balls involved…
Well...
I am sure Wallid was looking for the mini anaconda choke but it just wasn’t there :)
If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!
by crizzy on Aug 26, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
for the mini anaconda line
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 26, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm guessing being out...
and having a big ref perform CPR thrusts on your belly isn’t good for the whole bowel situation.
I was just gonna say that
I’ve never seen the CPR thrusts right on top of the guys bowels.
by ONE HIT QUIT on Aug 26, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe I should apply Occam's Razor
Ref had a prop bet on whether or not Royce shit himself?
the prop bet seems most likely.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 26, 2011 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
DAMN
That is probably why Royce (maybe) soiled himself. Pushing on someone’s intestines while they are unconscious… not a bright idea. There is no medical reason I can think of to do that on someone’s belly. You are supposed to do that over the STERNUM after verifying that the breathing and pulse have stopped.
If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!
Wallid's staredown > Wanderlei's
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Aug 26, 2011 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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