Anderson Silva Not Fighting on November 12 UFC on Fox Card
by Tim Burke on Aug 25, 2011 7:03 PM EDT
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Dana White did an interview with MMA Fighting today in Rio while doing the rounds to promote UFC 134, and was asked about the rumor that Anderson Silva might face Dan Henderson in the main event of the first UFC on Fox show on November 12th. White immediately shot the rumor down. Here's what he had to say (transcribed by MMA Mania):
"It's not true. I saw that rumor too, yesterday I was cruising around on the Internet and saw that, it's not true. If he goes out and wins in 13 seconds, he's not considered for the FOX show. I'm working on (the main event for that show) right now. I can't (talk about it), you know me, I have to get the deal done and I have to know that both guys are going to accept the fight. Plus, saying that, even though I say that (Silva) won't fight on the FOX card, I'm watching what happens this weekend before I decide who's going to fight on FOX."
Honestly, the rumor seemed a little farfetched in the first place. Henderson is on record saying that his days at 185 are almost surely done, and such a quick turnaround for Anderson didn't make a whole of sense regardless of the outcome Saturday night. So, Dana has eliminated Anderson Silva and Brock Lesnar as candidates for the main event of UFC on Fox. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what White has up his sleeve.
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Machida vs Hendo for next contender after Rashad. Book it.
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No one cares about that fight
Except committed fans. Do you really think he’s going to pick two people the mainstream public has never heard of to headline the first UFC on FOX?
whoops
thought you were talking about guida/henderson. too many hendersons!
Care about it or not
It’s guaranteed fireworks
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Guida has been doing a lot of top control fighting lately, I would not say that it is guaranteed fireworks.
If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!
Clay Guida has been on several Spike TV cards
He is definitely one of the more “exciting” fighters. He’s won fight of the night 4 times and fight of the year twice.
He is someone they would want to put on primetime television
Clay Guida is a fan favorite
People care about him.
People will care about a Ben Henderson/Clay Guida fight. Particularly if it’s booked as a title eliminator.
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I’m tired of this “he’s an unknown” meme.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
BJ/Condit and Bendo/Guillard are the best potential choices to me and create minimal collateral damage.
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by The American Ronin on Aug 26, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Either that or...
Hendo vs. Forrest/Shogun winner. Dana saying he’s waiting to watch what happens on Saturday makes me think that’s up there, with Machida as a back up if Shogun or Forrest comes up injured in a win.
by Jamie Penick on Aug 25, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with ya
His saying he was watching what happens before deciding was key to me and that makes me think that someone from the main card not named Anderson Silva is who they’re targeting for the first FOX show.
Then again, this is Dana.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if Cain v. JDS winds up on Fox, IF they can conjure up a suitable main event for San Jose a week later.
If they want to go with Silva-Hendo, I think that’s what they’ll do. That fight will sell more on PPV than Cain’s return because of how long he’s been out, and a heavyweight title fight on Fox would be a massive draw.
by Jamie Penick on Aug 25, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
No, no, no.
Frank Mir vs. Overeem — winner fights the HW champ, loser fights Brock.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Aug 25, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this one...
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by The American Ronin on Aug 26, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If Forrest wins perhaps Forrest vs Henderson
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This makes more sense
There’s no way Machida jumps the line if Forrest wins. That will give Forrest three straight victories over Ortiz, Franklin and Rua, a win over Henderson would seal the deal.
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Dang that would be a murderer’s row with Franklin, Rua and Hendo. Would be his most impressive stretch as a fighter methinks, should he win. Hendo is no joke either.
If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!
This is true, but...
I see Hendo knocking Forrest into next week.
Just hope Machida
doesn’t want Hendo money
by aptar on Aug 25, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And if you believe that...
I have statue in Brazil to sell you.
Ben Henderson vs Clay Guida MUST be one of the two televised fights!
That much is certain.
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No argument there.
Guida just needs to reign in the burbs, Henderson needs to cool it with the post-fight mid-interview sermons.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Aug 25, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly don't mind either
Let these guys be unique.
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by Chris Groves on Aug 25, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Part of the reason people love Guida is because he burps ridiculously like that. He is the every man and you don’t change that imo.
If the UFC doesn’t book this fight for that event though I have no clue what they are thinking. It’s got barn burner wrote all over it.
by Empty Thoughts on Aug 25, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I can picture Forrest on the Fox card
He’s a big enough name and a decent amount of time to prepare after Saturday.
forrest has paper for skin, he is gonna get cut.
And have a med. Suspension
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by the-gentle-way on Aug 25, 2011 7:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This was my first concern as well
But I don’t know how long suspensions usually are for cuts
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What's the commission situation like in Brazil?
The UFC probably has a little more control in this situation.
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Prolly not
But even so, Griffin can’t be expected to jump right back into intense training with a cut up face.
:p - orcus
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No they don't I ran into Ratner after the Milwaukee show
he says that he’ll be acting as the commission in Rio
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From a business perspective, it would make sense to wait to see
how Schaub performs in Rio IMO. Dana has been saying he wants to see how this card plays. If he beats Nog convincingly, I can see them throwing him in a #1 contenders match against someone like Mir/Overeem. They could market during NFL games, capitalizing off of the fact he was a former NFL player (practice squad or what not).
I know Carwin hasn’t exactly looked like a stud lately but I have absolutely no desire to watch Nog eat any shots from Shane.
I don't mean to throw dirt on his grave
and I think he’s got a great shot at beating Schaub because I have yet to be impressed by Brendan’s octagon appearances but when Nog fights I KNOW he’s going to eat a big shot and I know he’s going to do his damnedest to fight through it. But given his in ring/cage age and the miles upon miles on his odometer and watching him fight Carwin doesn’t top my list.
Carwin still hits like a truck and Nog always get hit.
The thing is I don’t think Carwin can hit as hard as he used to. He got some flush shots in on JDS and they barely fazed him. Tim pointed out Carwin is out till 2012, which is too bad. If Nog beat Schaub and then Carwin that would be al kinds of nostalgic fun.
....Or maybe JDS just has a good chin.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
JDS does have a good chin. But he walked thru shots that, if they had Carwin’s former power, would have at least wobbled him. Mir, who faced Carwin before the surgery/shrinkage, also has a good chin. Carwin simply has lost the explosion in his punches.
I don't think Mir has that good of a chin
But Carwin was absolutely batter in the first round. I think that was a huge factor in his shots not being as powerful.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
I’m not a Mir fan at all but one thing about the guy is he can take a punch and recover. Carwin truly KO’d him and that was really the first time that happened to him. The others were TKO’s.
Carwin is smaller and not in a good way that made him faster. He moved like molasses in his fight against JDS. He is right around that age that guys who used to do PED’s start to break down. There is a big difference from the weight cutting 265 lbs Carwin and the 250 lbs Carwin of the present. His best days are behind him and he made a lot hay when he could. He will get one or two more big fights and it will become obvious. His time is coming to an end.
This is going to be in Anaheim right?
I bet they’re going to put Cain on this and keep saying how he’s the first Mexican champ over and over again.
Good point
Maybe they are planning to put the Shogun/Forrest winner up against Machida at 139(Machida vs Shogun 3 please) and then bumping Cain vs Dos Santos to the Fox card.
That with a co-main of Ben Henderson vs Guida would be an amazing 2 fights.
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by Chris Groves on Aug 25, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't see them pulling a HW title fight from PPV
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If they replace it with Silva-Hendo for the middleweight title I can see it. Cain’s been out so long his win over Brock isn’t going to bring the draw over it might have had the fight taken place in the spring.
by Jamie Penick on Aug 25, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no desire to see Hendo back at 185
And I don’t think Hendo does either
:p - orcus
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I'm with you on that
But if that’s the fight the UFC wants to put together, it’s going to sell. I’d much rather see Hendo against the Griffin-Shogun winner or Machida, myself.
by Jamie Penick on Aug 25, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I like that
Whatever it is, the Main Event has to be a well known name. Griffin would work well if that can be made.
:p - orcus
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Except for that fight he has a week after this event
That I’m sure they’re wanting to hype on FOX.
Tho you can be sure to hear all about Cain being the first Mexican champ all night
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There's no way they're going to uproot main events in other PPVs
Just to appease a one hour timeslot. No way.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
The perfect two-fight debut card on FOX is Cain/JDS and Henderson/Guida. So many upsides to that, I can’t see any other two fights being more perfect.
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by Mandalore on Aug 25, 2011 7:24 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
Hendo/Guida needs to be five rounds
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Of course he isn't
That rumor was insane. Anderson isn’t going to sign on for a fight a week before he has a title fight.
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Of course not. He gets a percentage of PPV buys, how would this work on fox ? No way AS takes less money. Unless Dana offered him something big up front AS won’t do it and i think Dana knows that. You wanna see records smashed though, try and convince Brock, those numbers would be insanely high.
by BrockLesnar Budlight on Aug 25, 2011 7:38 PM EDT reply actions
This is fine with me. First, I thought how is Dan going to cut weight that fast. Second, what if Silva, knowing he would be on Fox if he doesnt get hurt in this fight, plays it safe the whole time. Third, I would rather see Hendo/Jones when/if he gets past Rampage. We’ve already seen Hendo/Silva, and I think that would be an awesome fight.
Too bad you won't.
Third, I would rather see Hendo/Jones when/if he gets past Rampage.
Rashad Evans versus either Jones or a Rampage rematch is THE big money fight for the UFC right now, not some bogus “unification” bout.
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Shad/Jones for the first season of TUF on FX?
:p - orcus
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Doubt it
Assuming the winner comes out unharmed, I think that will be the main event at UFC 140 on December 12th.
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Very possible
And I think with the inactivity at the top of the division in the last year, they need to keep the title busy.
However, Jones needs exposure too. So if he retains the belt I think a season of TUF against the right opponent could be good for him. Especially under the new platform where the fighters aren’t kept on the sidelines as long.
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But look at it this way
With the new season being live, they don’t need to sideline the fighters nearly as early in the process. Do the title fight and have your number one contender fight on the same card (Dan Henderson vs Forrest Griffin if he beats Shogun or Machida if Forrest loses), and there’s your TUF coaches.
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works for me
Best thing about the new format is not having the coaches out for 6 months
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since Rua beat Machida in April/May 2010, that title has only been fought over once. I’d like to see them build some momentum in the division and schedule Jones/Rampage vs. Rashad ASAP
Dana is trying to get the focus on Anderson's fight this weekend.
He doesn’t want it to seem like Okami has no chance at all. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Anderson on the Fox card.
My Guess...
Guida vs. Henderson for the #1 contender spot and Tito Ortiz vs. Rich Franklin or Little Nog.
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by lowellthehammer on Aug 25, 2011 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I'm sure some sort of shitty stand and bang fight is planned
For at least one of the FOX fights. The other, I’m sure will involve Machida.
by pud333 on Aug 25, 2011 8:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
My guess is Bendo/Guida and a shitty stand and bang. Catch both sides of the possible fan base there. The ones that just enjoy a brawl and the ones that might enjoy a fast paced more technical fight. As far as the stand and bang goes, no clue who they would book. It’s pretty filled up right now with fights.
by Empty Thoughts on Aug 25, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be pure insanity to put a title fight on a one-hour card
I know people saw “FOX” and thought “TITLE FIGHT TITLE FIGHT TITLE FIGHT” but for this first card it’s nothing more than a teaser of what they have to offer. I don’t know about you guys, but could you imagine trying to get hyped over a big fight involving the best fighter in the world and you’re reduced to two fights jammed in an hour timeslot?
Guida vs. Henderson to headline, please.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Two fighters I'd have on that card for sure
Rory MacDonald and Pettis.
The only substitute for victory is overkill.
Pettis is fighting in October
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Great idea for MacDonald
The kid delivers and looks to have a ton of potential. Good way to create a new star.
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RoryMac vs. Stun Gun?
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Why?
Stun Gun is coming off a loss. That fight makes no sense.
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except stun gun
Is coming off a loss to Condit in a High-contender matchup.
Rory also lost to Condit.
by Mantis xX on Aug 25, 2011 11:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was thinking If it’s not silva then it has to be the winner of shogun/ Forrest. vs hendo or machida for the next shot
by J smooth 420 on Aug 25, 2011 9:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
overeem is only answer
everyone else is tied up. machida cant get non-mma fans to tune in.
but if silva beats okami easily then you must make silva vs sonnen pt 2
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Silva/Sonnen II has the potential to be one of the biggest PPV’s of the year if Chael beats Stann, which is not a given. No way they put it on network TV and miss out on that windfall.
There is no way Reem is missing out on his fall/winter pay days with the new K-1 and Dana is going to fork up the cash he wants to make the difference. Anyway, who would he fight.
They need a fight that the fan, who was into the org back around the UFC 100 days and has drifted from the sport, can get excited about. That fan has no clue who Alistair Overeem is. Hendo vs the winner of Rua/Griffin is interesting. But, I think you have more of a chance of Liddell/Ortiz than seeing Overeem in the UFC in 2011.
Macdonald always put on a good show.
He’d be a great addition to the televised card
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I think the below article which was posted yesterday kinda contradicts this though. From yesterday:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/8/24/2381997/ufc-chairman-lorenzo-fertitta-talks-anderson-silva-vs-dan-henderson
It sounds like Anderson Silva is what Fertita wants, but of course he doesn’t actually say that it is in the works. He does say “I would love to do that. Anderson just needs a win”.
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We know one thing at least. They’re guys.
by Mantis xX on Aug 25, 2011 11:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
"I was cruising around on the Internet"
This maybe a direct jab to Chael Sonnen. Not sure.
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Why are we taking his words as the truth?
Dana White has lied about almost every leaked rumor that has hit the Internet for the last five years. Why would anyone take him at his word on this when Lorenzo said that they were looking at Anderson? I mean it may not happen, but I think the idea that anyone would shoot down a rumor because Dana White says it is false is just ridiculous anymore. The guy is lying every time he opens his mouth.
by CamelClutchBlog on Aug 26, 2011 8:39 AM EDT reply actions
dana knows where the money is
he will do everything in his power to get jonny bones/rashad (if he beats page) on the fox card. jonnys the ufc’s new toy and they wanna show him off to everyone, what better way than on network tv
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