USA TODAY/MMA Nation August 2011 Consensus Rankings: Welterweight
by Richard Wade on Aug 26, 2011 4:33 PM EDT
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| Rank | Fighter | % | Promotion | Last Rank |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Georges St. Pierre | 100 | UFC | 1 |
| 2 | Jon Fitch | 95 | UFC | 2 |
| 3 | Jake Shields | 91 | UFC | 3 |
| 4 | Nick Diaz | 83 | UFC | 4 |
| 5 | Carlos Condit | 79 | UFC | 7 |
| 6 | B.J. Penn | 77 | UFC | 6 |
| 7 | Josh Koscheck | 77 | UFC | 5 |
| 8 | Rick Story | 58 | UFC | 8 |
| 9 | Thiago Alves | 51 | UFC | 9 |
| 10 | Charlie Brenneman | 50 | UFC | 11 |
| 11 | Diego Sanchez | 50 | UFC | 10 |
| 12 | Martin Kampmann | 41 | UFC | 12 |
| 13 | Matt Hughes | 35 | UFC | 14 |
| 14 | Rory MacDonald | 35 | UFC | 23 |
| 15 | Anthony Johnson | 34 | UFC | 15 |
| 16 | Jake Ellenberger | 30 | UFC | 16 |
| 17 | Ben Askren | 26 | Bellator | 18 |
| 18 | Paulo Thiago | 26 | UFC | 20 |
| 19 | Jay Hieron | 25 | Bellator | 19 |
| 20 | Johny Hendricks | 24 | UFC | 32 |
| 21 | Tyron Woodley | 24 | Strikeforce | 36 |
| 22 | Paul Daley | 23 | Strikeforce | 12 |
| 23 | John Hathaway | 21 | UFC | 22 |
| 24 | Brian Ebersole | 21 | UFC | 25 |
| 25 | Dong Hyun Kim | 20 | UFC | 21 |
This weekend at UFC 134, #18 Paulo Thiago will take on David Mitchell in a fight that was clearly booked to get the Brazilian a win in Rio.
The biggest fight in the welterweight division next month is the headliner of UFC Fight Night: Shields vs. Ellenberger. #3 Jake Shields will try to rebuild his case as a title contender against #16 Jake Ellenberger who is climbing the rankings quickly.
The biggest names fighting in the welterweight division, though, are #11 Diego Sanchez and #13 Matt Hughes at UFC 135.
Based on the premise that all MMA rankings are subjective but that it’s still useful and informative to know who the online MMA community as a whole ranks as the best fighters in MMA, we collect and average the rankings of the top MMA websites to produce our consensus rankings. We compile the top MMA rankings from each of our sources and award 25 points for a first place ranking, 16 for a 10th place ranking, 1 for a 25th place ranking. A formula is used to "normalize" the data so all fighters are awarded points from those lists that do not include a full 25 fighters. This formula ensures that each ranking site awards the same number of total points regardless of how many fighters they choose to rank. Each fighter’s total is divided by the number of possible points to determine their standing in the Consensus Rankings.
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what a drop for Daley
Also, what is with MDS putting Hathaway in the top10 and Pyle 5 spots below him? That fight was pretty recent and very convincing.
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 25, 2011 7:13 PM EDT reply actions
Brenneman is not top 10 in the slightest
It’s his only quality win and he got killed by Hendricks.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Agreed, I think I’d pick him to lose against basically everyone in the current top 20. He got a favorable match-up on short notice in Story, some lucky circumstances there. He has good wrestling but other than that he seems to be lacking. And he’s not good enough wrestler to just cruise to the top with it either.
But I guess if we are right he should be dropping back down the rankings as soon as he faces some of these other guys.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 26, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
you really really hate Penn don’t you. I’ve never seen you post a single positive comment about him, and most of the hate is just wrong.
a win over duane ledwig and matt hughes and a draw with jon fitch = sixth.
counting wins in the last 7 years that would be just matt hughes at WW. How does that equal sixth best WW in the world when Hughes is ranked 13th?
It's just a world, it's just a life.
BJ Penn didn’t make the rankings. Why do you hate him so much?
by Tats16 on Aug 26, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s nothing personal, it’s just funny that people rank him so high when he has not really done anything in the last 7 years at that division. A draw to me is a nullification, and no rematch to me equals favoritism. BJ is going to fight the 5th place WW and Jon Fitch has no fight.
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BJ knocked out # 13 Hughes in the first round cold. He almost murdered # 11 in a “fight” where I haven’t seen someone demolished in a more devastating way since, and he came to a draw…not a “nullification” with the # 2 ranked ww Fitch…what is you’re argument again as to why he shouldn’t be ranked so high?
by CallMeDaddy on Aug 26, 2011 5:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A draw means nothing and beating number 11 and number 13 does not boost you to number 6.
by captainStevo on Aug 26, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you come to the conclusion that a draw means absolutely nothing? To me it most certainly has value in that neither fighter was able to beat the other.
by CallMeDaddy on Aug 26, 2011 5:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes I do. But it is still the same person…you do realize that don’t you?
by CallMeDaddy on Aug 26, 2011 5:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I do but this is called a “Consensus Rankings: Welterweight” not “Consensus Rankings: Other weights will be considered.”
It's just a world, it's just a life.
The rankings are not an exact science…if a guy can humiliate another fighter in one weight class one can make a logical leap and determine that it may not be a whole lot different with a few extra pounds packed onto the body.
by CallMeDaddy on Aug 26, 2011 5:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Look at the recent update of BJ @ LW, they have him at #11. How can he be higher at WW than LW? Given his recent success at LW.
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Because he's more active at WW
He has a fight scheduled at WW and all the contributors actually ranked him at WW. How are you not getting this?
:p - orcus
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but I’m guessing you hate his LW achievements too? The Fitch fight was set up then Fitch pulled out with a shoulder injury, didn’t he?
If he beats Condit will you give him some credit? Or will you say “Condit was never that good anyways”
When he beats Little Frankie Edgar, who is roughly the size of most ring girls, he’ll get credit from me.
by captainStevo on Aug 26, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares about the first fight. They had a rematch and it was settled.
by captainStevo on Aug 26, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Fitch just got off injury leave
No fight has been announced. You have no basis to be upset about the matchmaking.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Hughes was top 10 when BJ beat him
Fitch (#2) couldn’t best him, which counts for something.
And also, since I know how much you love some Fitch – If BJ’s ranking is such a joke, shouldn’t Fitch’s ranking have dropped since he couldn’t beat a fighter you believe shouldn’t be top 10?
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
seems good to me
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Rankings, and why they are dumb.
Brenneman #10
Story #8 (Both overrated IMO)
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I can see why though
Story has 2 recent solid wins in Alves and Hendricks where as Brenneman has that one win over Story. I’d be fine with Brenneman was ranked higher, cause he just beat him, but I see why its like that.
Obviously he's not gonna be challenging for the title ever again but I'd say he's far from done.
He lost to BJ by a flush KO, an extremely overweight Alves, and GSP. If he gets thoroughly dominated by Sanchez then I’ll believe it
I just dont see anybody on that list that I think Hughes can beat but hey if you’re a fan I’m not gonna ague with that.
by captainStevo on Aug 26, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing is..
I’m not even a fan of Matt Hughes. I’m just saying, I’m gonna need some proof. Like I said, if he gets dominated by Sanchez I’ll believe it
People forget
that he was on a 3 fight streak (albeit against some questionable competition) going into the Penn fight. Renzo was a squash match and Serra was a much closer fight that I think it should have been. But Almeida was a great win and I believe he was ranked ~15 at the time.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Jon Fitch has 18 wins in the last 7 years at welterweight, GSP has 17, BJ has 2, discuss.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
Didn't you make your point above?
"My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world."
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I don’t know, I guess when they realized they didn’t have a real argument they stopped replying.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
I never claimed to agree with his ranking at #6. I commented on your obvious strong hate for BJ Penn.
I find it enjoyable that you have clamored onto to some kind of emotional attachment that you perceive that I claim to have for this. I just feel he is overrated, not a big deal overall.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
All I asked
Was why you had to point the same thing out twice.
"My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world."
- Jack Layton
Its not a big deal yet you feel the need to comment in BJ Penn articles that he sucks or is overrated.
And what Worldisart said, why post it multiple times in the same article? :)
Because the rankings are a joke, how is he #6 at WW and #11 at LW? He did so much better at LW throughout his career and more importantly through recent times.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
Shit then
Hughes has done so much better in his career at WW, let’s put him above Condit right? Because ranking should always span the entire history of the sport and not at all act as a snapshot of the here and now where BJ Penn no longer fights at LW.
"My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world."
- Jack Layton
Hughes has done more at WW than Penn has done at WW in the last 7 years. SO has Condit. BJ has also done more at LW than most fighters at LW in the last 7 years. It’s not a snapshot. You either realize BJ has not done shit at WW in the last 2 years other than getting a draw against Fitch. Just like Hughes has not really done shit at WW other than beating Almeida.
Penn at LW even though he is only two fights removed from fighting Frankie Edgar, ranks as #11, and even though his only win at WW in the last 6 years is an "aging’ Matt Hughes, somehow he ranks #6th.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
The monthly rankings
are by fucking definition a snapshot.
They’re not based on career achievements
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
This isn't career rankings
How do you not get this?
"My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world."
- Jack Layton
KOed the consensus #9 in under a minute at his WW debut
Drew with the perpetual consensus #2 in his second WW fight.
I’d say his ranking is very defensible.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Hmm so can someone explain how Diaz Jumps up in the top 5?
"I don't think strength plays that big of a difference. If it's that big of a difference, then the elephant would be the king of the jungle, not the lion."- Anderson "The Spider" Silva
Dude beats one top ten guy out of all of his title defenses and was number 7 then.
Gets the title shot against GSP and now is ranked higher then Carlos and Kos, someone has some explaining to do.
"I don't think strength plays that big of a difference. If it's that big of a difference, then the elephant would be the king of the jungle, not the lion."- Anderson "The Spider" Silva
Didn't you know that signing with the UFC
Jumps you up 2-4 spots?
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