UFC 134 Judo Chop: Anderson Silva Puts on a Show Against Forrest Griffin
by Fraser Coffeen on Aug 25, 2011 1:24 AM EDT
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We're just a few days away from seeing Anderson Silva step in to the cage at UFC 134: Rio to defend his Middleweight title against Yushin Okami, and I couldn't be more excited. Despite some weird showings against Patrick Cote, Thales Leites, and Demian Maia, Silva has consistently demonstrated that he is one of the most advanced strikers in our sport, dominating opponent after opponent with his massive arsenal of techniques.
We've covered a lot of Silva's brilliance in the past (and Kid Nate collected our Silva coverage in a comprehensive post at MMA Nation), but one thing we haven't covered is Silva's finest hour - the moment when he looked the least like a human being and more like some sort of computerized Matrix character. I'm talking, of course, of his one round humiliation of Forrest Griffin.
Over the course of three and a half minutes at UFC 101, Silva used head movement and superb defense to avoid Griffin before knocking out the former Light Heavyweight champion with seemingly impossible ease. It remains, for my money, the most amazing domination in the history of our sport. Today, we take a look at exactly how it all went down.
Full analysis, with lots of gifs, in the complete article.
Gifs by BE reader Grappo
Before we dive in, let me say this right away: I like Forrest Griffin as a fighter. I think he's far more skilled than he lets on, and has a very solid striking game. It's easy to look back at a fight like this and be critical of his choices - far harder to step in there with the best in the world and actually try to knock him out.
That said, Griffin comes into this fight making a massive tactical error that costs him the fight right from the opening. Forrest begins the fight by testing Silva out - throwing feeler punches and kicks to see how Silva responds. Normally, it's Silva who starts fights this way, which means that Forrest ends up playing directly into Silva's game. Essentially, he spends the opening minute showing Silva his full range of techniques, allowing Silva to judge the distance and set ups Forrest uses. You can almost see Silva storing and processing this info like a computer. On the right is an example, as Forrest throws a jab-jab-head kick combo. Notice how Silva moves back with both his body and his head, gauging the distance on the kick.
And Forrest continues to do this, cycling through all his strikes and giving Silva a look at everything he has. Here's a jab-jab-cross combo that once again Forrest is just throwing out as a feeler and not fully committing to. He has no intention of really landing these shots and hurting Silva, he just wants to get him to react. But again, Silva is working his defenses. Compare this to the first clip and you'll see that Silva doesn't move nearly as far away to evade, taking a small step back and deflecting the right hand with his own left. He's found Griffin's range, and knows he doesn't need to move back any further to avoid the shot. Staying close both conserves his movement, and keeps him in range for counters.
One more, as you can see the full extent of Silva's grasp of Forrest's range on this jab (right) . Silva barely moves at all here, because he doesn't need to. He knows he's out of range, so barely responds to the punch.
After about two minutes, Silva is ready to try out his own attacks. He starts by moving in and ducking at the waist to see Forrest's response (left). Once Silva drops his head, Forrest attempts a right cross to the body, which is a pretty low percentage option in that position. With Silva's head down, an uppercut or knee would be far more effective, but those aren't major weapons for Griffin. This shows Silva that he is relatively safe to bring his head down, which we'll see him exploit soon.
A few seconds later, Silva launches his first real attack, pushing forward with punches. The key to this attack is at the end of the gif, where you can see Silva use the information he has gained from the above clips. After connecting with a few shots, Silva pauses for just a moment. Forrest uses this opening to try a left jab, but Silva knows how to avoid Forrest's left, and just barely dips his head outside the shot. He then ducks his head low to avoid a possible Griffin hook. Again, Silva is comfortable ducking as he now knows that Forrest is unlikely to respond with a strong counter. Griffin doesn't offer any counter, instead keeping his hand out to prevent another punch, and Silva sees the opening, connecting with a quick right.
At this point, Silva is feeling totally comfortable and is ready to really open up. Here is one of the best sequences as Silva mixes together three different ways to evade, all using precise head movement. At first, he moves his head to the right or left of the incoming punches, which works because Forrest is throwing straight shots up the middle. When Forrest switches to throwing hooks, Silva can no longer just dodge right or left, so he switches immediately to bringing his head low. Because he can't attack from this lower position, he doesn't stay there long, bringing his head back up, and leaning his head back to avoid one final hook. With Forrest's defenses down as he throws the the hook, Silva gets in a quick punch to drop him. This is just an amazing sequence that show how well Silva is moving, how he is responding appropriately to a variety of punches, and how well he stays close in order to quickly connect with the counter.
Finally, we get Silva again using head movement to avoid Forrest's attack before landing the clean jab KO. As for that punch itself - I really don't know what to say about it. There's no reason it should work. Let's look at everything wrong with it. 1. Silva starts the punch with his hand down at his side, meaning the punch is not coming from the body. 2. He doesn't throw his body into the punch at all, making all his power come straight from the arm. 3. He's moving backwards. These are all big things to avoid when looking to connect with a punch. The one thing he does do is hit his target dead on the mark, and that's all he needs. It's a crazy finish that should never work, but such is the magic of Anderson Silva.
To sum it up:
- Griffin starts the fight by showing Silva all of his strikes, allowing Silva to gauge the distance and Forrest's techniques.
- Silva quickly figures out the range and stays as close as he can while avoiding strikes.
- Silva tries a few strikes of his own to gauge Forrest's responses.
- Silva strings it all together, staying close on exchanges while using head movement to avoid Forrest's shots and perfectly finding the holes in the defense.
It's fights like this that show exactly what Silva is capable of, and why there's so much excitement about seeing him once again in action this weekend.
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Anderson Silva is some kind of time-travelling demon.
I don't know, but the guy quotes himself in his own signature - CaptnAmerca
by CaptnAmerca on Aug 24, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
Greatest performance from a fighter ever.
yeah i said it
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by Piru P on Aug 24, 2011 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 28 recs
yea i agree
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
agreed
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 24, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I AGREE . . .. BUT!!!!!
. . . I’ve seen better performances from fighters named Muhammad Ali, Roy Jones Jr. Pernell Whitaker and even freaking Sergio Martinez, who is simply exciting to watch.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 24, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
silva would beat the dog shit out of all of them in the first rd.
Death by knees.
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by the-gentle-way on Aug 24, 2011 2:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is true. Please remember none of the aforementioned fighters trains for legkicks, knees, takedowns or kimuras.
Ali vs Silva would be truly entertaining because they’re both lightning fast but I would be scared for Ali in the clinch. The other fighters would be too light for Silva. Well not Roy Jones Jr. but I’m 100% that Silva would lay waste to his name in a fight.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 24, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that’s what makes Andy so special.
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by the-gentle-way on Aug 24, 2011 2:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Anderson is one of the greatest if not the greatest MMA fighter to date, but you gotta be crazy to think he could beat Ali.
by MaximumWatermelon on Aug 24, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
Ali would be a single-discipline fighter facing a man who trains to strike with all limbs and can choke him out with ease.
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agreed
Ali would have no answer for them. But it’s really a moot point. Who knows what Ali could have done trained as a mixed martial artist…
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ugh
them = leg kicks, head kicks, MT clinch, etc…
/halfprocesseddrunkenthoughts
:p - orcus
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ali fucked his career by fighting mma.
His legs were never the same.
Step your mma history up ;-)
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by the-gentle-way on Aug 25, 2011 12:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Who did he fight
/toolazytogooglethatagain?
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
It’s pretty interesting…can’t remember the exact name offhand but it was a Japanese professional wrestler but Ali wanted to back out last second. So they altered the rules and what resulted was the Japanese wrestler on his back kicking Ali while Ali tried to punch him. And Ali went to the hospital from all the leg kicks he took. It was created to promote the japanese wrestler. And I believe it was a draw.
by Afrotikiman on Aug 25, 2011 1:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Goddammit thanks for making me google it, Afrotikiman
I do get some recompense tho. Seanbaby did a 10 Worst MMA Fights of All Time article that included it. It was Inoki, btw.
:p - orcus
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Yep, Antonio Inoki. One of the greatest Japanese pro wrestlers of all time, and a pretty important person in the history of MMA in Japan, whether purists want to admit it or not. He brought in the idea of having legitimate fights back in the 70s and had a number of matches that really should be considered an early form of MMA.
The Inoki vs. Ali fight gets a bad rep, mainly because people haven’t seen it. It’s not the most action packed fight ever, but if you are a fan of older MMA (like, Gracies and things like that) and appreciate the more slower paced fights, it’s actually a fascinating study in style clashes and strategy.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Aug 25, 2011 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions
That fight was the result of an insane rule set
Otherwise it would have ended very quickly with Ali tapping.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
Yes, Silva would win a fight.
I’m not talking about a prize-fight, a boxing fight, an MMA fight.
I’m talking about a fight. No rules. The guy that trains in more disciplines that includes high kicks to the head would beat the boxer.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 25, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
He stole Forrest's soul with that punch.
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Absolutely.
I remember sitting at the bar when that happened. All I could do was repeat “no fucking way!” in between laughing in disbelief.
Bar none the most obnoxious, devastating display of “I’m better than you” that I have ever seen. I love every second of that fight.
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 25, 2011 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Small nitpick...
Once Silva drops his head, Forrest attempts a right cross to the body
I disagree here. It looks to me like Forrest is trying to hit the chin with his cross on a downward angle, which is kinda nice if you can get it. It shows the speed difference between Anderson and Forrest that by the time the punch has moved from thought to extension, it’s aimed closer to Anderson’s sternum.
Nice breakdown otherwise. Anderson is incredible at reading body movement to set up his defense and counters.
This round is very similar to the Ali vs Liston fight, Ali calls that punch the anchor punch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWynvBLJ4I&feature=player_embedded#!
his head movement is similar to another Ali fight too.
by malo on Aug 24, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
holy shit!
That’s great! Zombie dodging ftw!
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 24, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson Silva & Muhammad Ali = MAGIC
The ability to slip punches like that is beyond comprehension. Dana White said it best, when this guy fights it looks like a video game . . . I personally think it looks cinematic.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 24, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Great analogy and a fantastic gif. There are a lot of Ali/Silva parallels if you ask me.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Aug 24, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
that's amazing...
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Anchor Punch: That's exactly what the KO punch is.
Forget where the video is, but there’s an angle on youtube of Ali landing that punch. It’s identical to Anderson’s punch.
this may be the video you are looking for
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx27t6lzIQ0
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by exsanguinator on Aug 25, 2011 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not exactly....
The one I saw had an overhead angle from behind Ali as he landed the punch and it looked just like Anderson’s. But thanks anyway, that’s a good one.
"clean jab KO"
i think that KO was much more a function of forrest giving up than the mechanics of the punch itself, which, as you said, should never work. i don’t believe it did. at least not in the traditional sense.
by fontgangsta on Aug 24, 2011 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i believe he knew there was nothing else he could do
and was like “fuck this game”
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by HitokiriX on Aug 24, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yup, Forrest pulled a good ol' ragequit
by Rob Young on Aug 24, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
LOL!
rec’d for ragequit
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 24, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve seen a thousand of rage quit, and that’s definitely one. When you’re stylin on someone and he suddenly/oddly loses connection, there is no doubt about it.
"Don't worry about a thang...I got this"
exactly
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 25, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
Griffin does a text-book dive. Even going as far as throwing his leg up for dramatic effect. But, who can blame him after getting thoroughly punked by Silva.
i think that KO was much more a function of forrest giving up than the mechanics of the punch itself, which, as you said, should never work. i don’t believe it did. at least not in the traditional sense.
I disagree.
What Fraser fails to account for in his breakdown is that while Silva’s punch did not have a lot of force on it, Forrest’s own movement provided a boatload of force. That was a perfectly placed strike to the chin of a 230 pound bull charging face-first into it.
It actually reminds me a lot Melvin Manhoef’s KO of Mark Hunt at Dynamite 2008.
by Steve4192 on Aug 24, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
exactly
Plus Silva twisted off his left as Forrest was rushing in.
Also Let’s not forget that was the third knock down. Forrests eggs were already scrambled.
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by the-gentle-way on Aug 24, 2011 12:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Say what you want about Forrest, but he's a pretty tough dude with little quit in him
For Silva to mentally and physically break him in under a round says a lot about Anderson’s abilities.
by mthom on Aug 24, 2011 1:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
forrests world was spinning and he still hadnt landed a punch
He didn’t take a dive. I think its fucked up to say he did. He didn’t have it in him to defend himself on the ground, hence the drunken" please don’t kill me" waves of acceptance. Forrest would have got his head dribbled off the mat for sure. That was the end of the fight . Period.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 24, 2011 1:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
You have to admit though
the way he falls is odd. He has forward momentum, but he falls sidways and rolls back…that looks nothing like any KO I’ve seen. He does not go limp, throws his leg up… Everytime I see this it feels wrong.
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I think surprise and his own forward motion played a lot into that as well.
dude was on the attack going forward, Silva uses that momentum against him to provide the force for the punch, same momentum sends him rolling to the ground. he wasn’t out cold, but he was physically shocked I think.
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
He isn’t really KOd, he is still basically conscious. However, he realizes he is too rocked to defend himself on the ground and Silva is about to smash his face. He reacts that way so the referee stops the fight and he doesn’t have to take unnecessary damage.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
Yeah, he realized that he simply had nothing for the guy
He’d been dropped 2 times and I think the last charge was his last push. When he ended up getting put on the ground by something he probably didn’t even see then he decided he just couldn’t win. I don’t think it was a “dive” because he got legitimately knocked down, but he wasn’t “out”.
I agree with this.
I went too far calling it a “dive”
The last part is the important one I think.
One of the biggest mistakes Frazier made when he fought Foreman the first time was running right back at him every time he got knocked down. Should’ve taken some time to recover before charging back into the fire.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Aug 24, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely! Also if he would have taken a second to think…… He would have realized striking is going horribly. A takedown was in order.
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by the-gentle-way on Aug 24, 2011 1:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fuck yeah
Frazier should have shot a double leg on Ali and gone for some solid GnP!
:p - orcus
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lol
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 25, 2011 8:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no dive
Anderson caught him charging in, which make a huge difference in applied power. And as noted, Forrest had been knocked down twice before.
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At this point, let's ignore the people that claims Griffin took a dive.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 24, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
agreed.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 24, 2011 2:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yes please
:p - orcus
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I was about to leave this same comment. I think Forrest knew he was over-matched, and I think he quit. I also think the shame from this is why he sprinted from the ring, and if you will recall didn’t make a public appearance or statement for like 2 or 3 months after the fight.
Yeah Forrest wasn’t out. He quit. Anderson took his soul. After he fell, he threw one of his arms up as to wave off the fight himself, I didn’t think an unconcious person could do that. Could you imagine how frustrating it would be to be in the ring with a man who could hit you at will, but when you tried you constantly wiffed air? Man that’d really fuck with my psyche.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 24, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
you ever been dropped three times in three minutes?
The lights were on but nobody was home. His body quit.
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"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 24, 2011 2:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If I remember correctly didn’t he waive his arms to stop the fight after he was down? The way the whole thing looked, I dunno, I’ve never seen anyone get KO’d and it look anything like that. I’m not saying he didn’t get hit hard and often or that he took a dive, I’m just saying it wasn’t a KO. If he thought he could have won that fight, he might very well have gotten back up again.
He clearly wasn’t in full control of his body. That was instinct attempting to save his brain.
Look at wanderlei’s leben fight. When herb dean stops it wandy is “awake” . Wand has his knee and elbow together preventing Herb Dean(the fucking ref) from passing from side control to mount. Was Wand awake?
Fuck no he wasn’t ! Lights were on but nobody was home.
Forrest is sad his instinct wasnt to" die with honor" but his conscious decision making was gone. That waive was involuntary.
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"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 24, 2011 3:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I tremendously respect your opinion, gentle
but I disagree here, and neither of us will ever know 100% if we’re right. I just rewatched the fight, and Forrest’s immediate wave coupled with his getting up off the ground and making the conscious decision to run out of the arena after being on the ground for 5 seconds makes me think that he was driving. Involuntary self-preservation behaviors are turtling, covering up, rolling away, etc, not waving and saying “stop.” Plus, his reaction of running away had to involve higher cognitive functioning, even if it was kicked off by instinctual embarrassment. He did get hit on the off switch, and there was significant head deflection, but that typically results in total unconsciousness, a la Danzig-Stevenson. I think that his eggs were absolutely scrambled, but he made a conscious decision to quit that night.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 24, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
^This
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 24, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Why don’t you just “rec” his post?
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This is Mania
rec’s are for those elitist tools on BE!
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 25, 2011 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I did that also.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 25, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
anonymous recs are for cowards.
Thanks, SentientAndroid
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by John Danaher's Hair on Aug 25, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha exactly! Let them know is my motto!
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 25, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
the wave is the only part that was involuntary imo.
5 or so seconds go by, then his wits come back. Then shame sets in. Idk ? Just my theory.
I have been knocked down where my whole world was blinding white , I could hear, and move (i got to a kneeling position) but I was dizzy and couldn’t see for 20-30 seconds? It seemed like an hour. Being Koed is a weird thing.
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by the-gentle-way on Aug 24, 2011 6:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just the other day I was wondering if Forrest ran off because he might have dooked his pants. If I bombed my fight shorts I’d waddle off before anyone could notice too.
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by casey manrique on Aug 25, 2011 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Some times…..These things happen in mma.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 25, 2011 8:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
this says a lot about the state of our species when this is what we ponder
by Urijah Bieber on Aug 25, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
it happens man
It’s primal defense mechanism I am sure.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 25, 2011 8:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tim Sylvia's got more heart than the both of you!
Or less shame, whatever.
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Griffin didn't quit. Look how his leg was extended. He ran into the punch
pretty damn hard. He was charging forward.
by djkrazykill on Aug 24, 2011 3:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And he probably still had cobwebs
from getting dropped 2 times prior.
by djkrazykill on Aug 24, 2011 3:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Seeing stuff like this from Anderson makes me wonder if we’ll see another fighter like Anderson (I know that Jose Aldo is similar though) in the UFC. I can see other fighters similar to GSP in the future, but I just have a hard time seeing other fighters like Anderson. He just has things that can’t be taught.
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by chrisbboy82 on Aug 24, 2011 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Truly
Anderson Silva is the last true martial artist in MMA. People need to make a conscious effort to bask in his remaining performances. He is the thing legends are made of.
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
by Charles Awad on Aug 24, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Machida karate.
Part of Pech's Posse since 2007.
by OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy on Aug 24, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Paul Harris, Damien Maia, Roger Gracie, Jacare, Werdoom, Alistair Overeem.
Shinya,and Bj Penn are still gonna be around.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 24, 2011 12:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe my point is more ambiguous than I thought
Anderson is like a fucking ninja, dancing in the shadows. I don’t think we’ll see the likes of him again.
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
by Charles Awad on Aug 24, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
gottcha. Jiu Jitsu is the art of the Samuri ....
So those guys I named are clearly not Ninja.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 24, 2011 2:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rusimar Palhares > Paul Harris
Ha!
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 24, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't even put Overreem or Werdum
On that list.
by djkrazykill on Aug 24, 2011 3:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As much as I love Andy
we’ll still have some great dynamic guys around. Who knows, in a 100 years we could have a fighter that makes what Andy does look normal (ok that’s a stretch, but you get my point). Like gentle above me said, we still have young guys like Aldo, Njok, Pettis, Barboza, Makdessi, Jones, JDS, and Oliveira *cough around. Of course Andy is one of a kind with his striking, but these guys should make plenty of memorable striking performances.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 24, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I like JDS but he’s not remotely close. He’s a boxer. He’s more like Rampage without the offensive wrestling.
Njok – nah, not there at all. His overall game is just lacking.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 24, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It is his reflexes and ability to read people.
It is insane. The way he drops his shoulder at the last second to completely avoid Franklin’s kick in this always impresses me.
The North remembers...
Would you like Freys with that?
by iiowyn on Aug 24, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
damn. I didn’t even notice the shoulder drop. That’s f8cking insance.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 24, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't that inhuman?
How is it that he has the presence of mind to tuck his shoulder in during that kick? Truly otherworldly.
Remember all those folks that said WEC lightweights simply wouldn't be able to hang in the UFC? Yeah.......
by Charles Awad on Aug 24, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That is really the most impressive part of this gif
The way he shakes that arm out to dodge to show it’s more than just a little dance he’s doing…Part of me always wants to see a straight soccer kick to Silva’s dome for the cockiness tho
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Cockiness?
Part of me always wants to see a straight soccer kick to Silva’s dome for the cockiness
What’s cocky about dodging punches? Is it that way he’s doing it that makes it cocky?
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 25, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it definitely the way he did it that makes it cocky
:p - orcus
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So he should dodge the punches more conservatively without any type of swag or style?
Both Dante and Soulja Boy would not approve.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 25, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Quick History lesson
When Bill Russell began blocking shots, something rarely seen in high school or collegiate basketball, he was told to stop showing off. No one understood what he was doing but his style of defense was very effective. Fast forward to 2011, blocking shots is well accepted and expected.
Slam dunks? Yes, the history of the slam dunk is more or less the same.
Different strokes for different folks.
Maybe Silva is higly influenced by Muhammad Ali and Roy Jones Jr who were often called cocky amongst other things. Currently those styles of defense are being practiced by many boxers. Personally I think if any fighter knew how to slip a punch or kick like Silva, they would all be doing the exact same thing.
You call it cocky . . . I call it magical.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 25, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Cocky is the crap he pulled off against Demian Maia
It was damn near disrespectful but very entertaining to me.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 25, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it’s the action of slipping punches that looks cocky. it’s arms-down, “you’re just not worth the effort” body language. That said, he’s just that damn good. It’s not nearly on the same level as:
by BKdroid on Aug 25, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol, it’s the ending zoomed in sequence that gets me all the time!
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 25, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Aldo is not all that similar.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Aug 24, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
The dynamism in his striking/mauy thai is very similar to me. I call him the mini Anderson, THE ORB WEAVER!
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 24, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Aldo is a more traditional power muay thai striker
He is more like Thiago Alves than Anderson Silva
Head conductor of the Charles Oliveira hype train.
by Stiff Jab on Aug 24, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
More like Thiago Alves?!?
Alves is cool but Jose Aldo is FAR better than Alves.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 24, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
He's like a fully realized Alves.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Aug 24, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can see that
That left shovel hook – right leg kick combo Aldo kept throwing on Hominick seems more like Alves’ style than Silvas
Yeah, really.
Backing up with your arms up leaving your body wide open? Charging forward with reckless abandon to land power shots? Those aren’t characteristic of Anderson Silva.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Aug 24, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Anderson was 34 when he put on that performance against Griffin.
Aldo is only 24 and had a bad weight cut for that fight, I don’t remember him being that lazy with his defense against, say, Gamburyan or MTB.. Of all the fighters currently out there, his ability to move and react aggressively is more reminiscent of Silva than most.
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
Aldo's not going to be like Anderson though.
Their body types and thus their styles are completely different.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Aug 25, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I can agree with this, Aldo’s a lot more compact. I can actually see the Thiago-esqueness(?) in his style. That punch to wicked leg kick combo and power strikes are some Alves level shit. His crazy speed is what makes me think of him more as a smaller version of Anderson than Alves though.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 25, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
"Charging forward with reckless abandon to land power shots?"
Very true, but it’s cool to see a champ go all Honey Badger at times though.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 25, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Aldo. Barboza and MF'in JON JONES.
- Personally I think Jose Aldo is a far better MMA fighter than Anderson Silva. Silva thinks so too.
- Barboza has the potential.
- Jon Jones, what is there not to like. Wrestling, Judo, Jackson Guerilla Jiu-Jitsu or whatever it is called. Not to mention the physical attributes which is crazy. The fact that he’s basically a freaking kid in the game and gets better!?! Anderson Silva already co-signed him and said two important things. I see myself in him. I’m a fan.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 24, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Barboza
but doesn’t he seem kinda small for 155? Idk both Barboza and Makdessi seem too small for 155, and of course Oliveira. I can see powerful wrestlers like Maynard, Bendo and even Guida easily dumping them on their head, or a big powerful striker like Melvin completely blasting the shit out of them. But yeah I like Barboza, but we haven’t seen him deal with wrestlers or see what his ground game looks like. Aldo’s ground game is kinda suspect to me as well, not as suspect as Barboza’s though. Jones is the complete package apparently.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 24, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Barboza is 5'11 and definately doesn't look small
"... All reined up in old language and old assumptions, straining to jump clean-hoofed on to a whole new track of being I only suspect is there. I can't see it, because my educated, average head is being held at the wrong angle..."
by dancingChicken on Aug 24, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Barboza is actually a huge Lightweight.
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Oh ok, cool. I wasn’t too sure. I just remember seeing him in those two UFC fights and for some reason thought that he looked kinda small for 155. Dude’s a fucking beast though, I hope he doesn’t sizzle out like Oliveira :’(
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 25, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
A minor correction
Dave Camarillo of ATT developed Guerrilla Jiu Jitsu which is (an amazing) combination of judo and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu while Greg Jackson has his own Jackson Submission Fighting which is cobbles together pretty much anything that works.
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yeah that’s it!
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 25, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Jon Jones, what is there not to like.
Well…he’s becoming kind of a dick.
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
There's a couple way to go about it
I try to ignore what Jones says in the media because he tends to come off as an ass (however I thought he was cool in the press conference with ’Page).
Or you can just designate him as your fav fighter to root against. Mine’s Nick Diaz
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he's my favorite fighter to root against
and some day when he falls so far down the ladder that the only way his ass can cash a paycheck is to fight kimbo slice in a hooters parking lot I hope kimbo knocks him out in 30 seconds or less. name any single person living or dead to step on to any fighting surface to fight jon jones and I would bet on them because I fucking hate jon jones.
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by exsanguinator on Aug 25, 2011 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Pure unadulterated Jon Jones hate. No liquid encouragement required.
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by exsanguinator on Aug 25, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get too caught up into the personalities, characters of people I never met
It is really hard to judge some one based off interviews. For one, outside of Rashad Evans, I’ve never heard anything remotely bad about his character. He seems really nice and focused.
There are a bunch of guys who appeared to be one way on TUF and were completely after the show. I understand that this is television and these guys represent the sport that we love but when some fans say something like “I f*cking hate jon jones” then it just makes me wonder . . . huhhh?
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 25, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
ROFL
Aldo is a FAR better MMA fighter than A. Silva????!! You have no credibility dude. WOW.
If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!
Time will tell.
Please note, ANDERSON SILVA thinks Jose Aldo is better.
So I guess Anderson Silva’s credibility is also shot. Keep in mind, Silva felt that Machida won all 5 rounds in his first fight with Shogun. I disagree but hey, it’s just a fight.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 25, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Silva has always had that schtick
of false humility. There is no foundation in reality (IMO) that Aldo is a “far better MMA fighter” than Silva.
If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!
wow
i was a bit skeptical when i saw this was a judo chop – hasn’t it been done to death? isn’t it just an example of silva doing next level shit?
but this was a killer breakdown. love how you showed how silva figured out his attack. very interesting.
by Clifford J on Aug 24, 2011 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
isn’t it just an example of silva doing next level shit?
I think there’s some of that in there too. The fact that he was able to figure out where and when Forrest’s strikes would come is extremely impressive, but it wouldn’t matter if he couldn’t do something about it, and don’t think there’s anyone else in MMA right now that could physically react fast enough to dodge all those strikes with head movement alone, all with their hands down by their waist.
by Damnatio Memoriae on Aug 24, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I have to agree.
This was a step up from the usual (which most of the time are very interesting btw) Judo Chops. Truly a look into the mind of the champion.
Anderson reminds me of Roy Jones jr in his prime, let's hope he doesn't lose his reflects overnight like jr did.
by malo on Aug 24, 2011 12:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Roy is more The Flash type hand speed and really used that.
Silva has that but its also his positioning ,timing and sense of distance. He won’t fall like Roy did, but it will be a significant drop off. I use to think it would be a huge drop like Roys. Now I don’t.
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by the-gentle-way on Aug 24, 2011 12:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm still on the
Anderson will have a RJJ drop off bandwagon. In their primes I wouldn’t bet against them against anyone ever.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 24, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
idk ?
Maybe, but I think his greater arsenal of attacks will help him. There is so much technique in his kicks and clinch. I think even when he drops down to normal human frame rate he will still have that. Roy is great and extremely technical but he just depended too much on his speed. It went and so did his record.
If keeps trying to game cock like Roy did he will get put to sleep for not realizing his his speed had gone.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 24, 2011 2:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
People said Silva lost a step against Sonnen.
But he won the fight.
Then he fought an arguably faster striker in Vitor Belfort. Note, I didn’t say better. What happened. Silva pulled off a deceptive low kick that went straight to Belfort’s face. That’s experience, skill, power and speed.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 24, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Sonnen fight was any indication
and the careers of some other noted strikers, Anderson will come to a point sooner than later where his body doesn’t do what makes him special anymore. So much of his game is predicated on speed and superior skill. Once he has lost his speed, he will be superior skilled in a sport filled with superior skilled guys. I think Silva’s decline will be close to Fedorian if not managed correctly.
by Urijah Bieber on Aug 25, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
How does the Vitor fight factor into the Sonnen indication?
:p - orcus
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Vitor and Silva never got into protracted standing exchanges
That was an awesome fight though that proved Silva is still upper level. Sonnen’s standup was so dangerous due to his takedowns as well. But I’ve never seen anyone light Anderson up like that before.
by Urijah Bieber on Aug 25, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Very true
But the Vitor fight looked more like the Silva that we know. Lending credence to the broken rib report from the Sonnen fight, IMO. I suppose this fight will tell us a bit more about whether or not he’s lost a step.
:p - orcus
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People has been saying that he doesn’t look the same, lost a step after the Cote fight, the Leites fight, the Maia fight and the Sonnen fight.
If he didn’t obliterate his opponent in the 1st round then his skills and speed is on a decline.
It all sounds like nonsense.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 25, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Silva’s decline will be close to Fedorian if not managed correctly.
Sorry, you just don’t lose your skills. Time will naturally decrease your speed but his game is so much more than that. You have to consider the fact that he rarely takes damage in a fight, with the exception of Sonnen’s fight. But I guess he wasn’t that hurt because he was able to come back and pull off that crazy submission at the end of the fight.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 25, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree he is different than a Liddell who took massive amounts of damage fight in fight out
But at some point, competition will catch up as his skills decline. Reflexes are not static. We will see Anderson laid out by inferior fighters at some point.
by Urijah Bieber on Aug 25, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
luckily for AS the level of strikers he faces in the UFC is not quite comparable to pro boxers i would think.
by mikericcinotme on Aug 24, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He's the closest you're gonna get
But Anderson does it with his hands at his waist, Roy does it behind the back:
Jones was faster AND threw with more power. It’s not really a knock on Silva, Jones also didn’t have to know how to submit a guy off his back with half a round left…..but there’s just one RJJ.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 24, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Give me a break. RJJ fought bums and ducked Hopkins until the fight no longer had any relevance. Andy fought a former LHW Champion and embarrassed him while looking two weight classes smaller.
RJJ fought bums and ducked Hopkins until the fight no longer had any relevance
I hate this shit.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 24, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Mayweather was and is the same. Keep hating it.
by KidCanada on Aug 24, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
First of all, I hate Mayweather.
He ducks the best guys when they’re on top. He was scurrrred to fight Cotto or Margarito or Mosley when they were still considered prime. Instead, he cherry-picks fights against guys he knows have no shot of beating him (Hatton), guys moving up multiple weight classes (JMM), or guys past their prime (De La Hoya, who almost won that fight and whom Floyd ran from for much of it). Mayweather hasn’t fought a prime fighter who could hang with him since Chico Corrales and Jose Luis Castillo. Victor Ortiz will be the first relevant fight he’s had in over five years since he fought Zab Judah.
So…uh…I concur.
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Someone needs a boxing history lesson. De La Hoya was past his prime when he fought Mayweather? They fought at a weight that was purely De La Hoya’s choosing and Mayweather still beat him. Wasn’t Mosley considered one of the few guys who could beat Floyd when they fought? No one said he was over the hill or washed up until after Floyd beat him. Same with De La Hoya. Same with Hatton. It’s actually funny how Pacquiao fights guys that Mayweather already beat and then has people talk them up like they’re more impressive. Not saying you do it or have done it. But I have seen it done. People run around discrediting all of Mayweather’s wins and he’s right about what he says. If he beats Victor Ortiz, people will say he was too young, too green, not fast enough, not smart enough, or any other excuse they could think of. I actually remember watching the Mosley/Mayweather fight with a bunch of people and hearing them say Floyd sucks because he couldn’t finish Mosley yet when Pacquiao did the same exact thing it was because he wanted to show his dominance. I’ve come to the realization that Floyd can’t win with the public.
by FlyByKnight on Aug 25, 2011 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I grew up worshiping De La Hoya. Trust me, he was past his prime by the time he fought PBF.
He looked terrible against Felix Sturm, looked slow against Hopkins, and looked slow again against Stevie Forbes one fight after Floyd. I always thought that after the second Mosley fight, he was just going for paydays.
Some people thought Mosley was “the guy” to beat Mayweather, but not at 38 year old and definitely not after a year and a half of inactivity. More importantly, people thought that he was fast enough. Mosley has good hand speed, but he doesn’t actually move as quickly as Floyd. Most importantly, Mosley never used his speed intelligently, he was always more of a brawler first. Even if he at one time had the speed, I don’t think he ever had the style. To his credit, he did rock Floyd in the 2nd.
People don’t talk up the common opponents for Pac, at least not Hatton or DLH, but its fair to point out that he performed far better against common opponents, usually as the smaller man or at the same weight at least. Hell, Manny was basically brought in to lose to DLH in a money grab retirement fight. You want to talk about boxing history lessons, people were harshly criticizing De La Hoya at the time for taking a fight against a guy who fought at Super Feather earlier that year. Hindsight is funny that way.
More relevant is the list of uncommon opponents – COTTO, Clottey, Margarito. PBF refused to fight Cotto or Margarito when they were hot, Manny at least fought a prime Cotto and a much bigger (if disgraced) Margarito. Clottey was a legit top 5 WW at the time.
Like I said, I hate Mayweather, but I’ll give credit where credit is due – if he won’t fight Pac, Ortiz is the right fight at WW right now. I like Ortiz, but I don’t think he’s fast enough to make Floyd work defensively. That’s not an excuse, that’s just how Floyd is going to win the fight. Ortiz has been known to get disheartened in the past, I can’t imagine him handling Floyd’s superior defense and counter-punching well. I could see it going like the Mosley fight.
Pac on the other hand has disappointed the hell out of me this year. I know he’s going for the cash grabs at this point, but fights with Berto and Tim Bradley instead of Mosley and JMM (at this point and at WW), respectively, would have been infinitely better, more relevant, and probably just as lucrative.
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
For what its worth, I'll be ordering PBF-Ortiz.
Its a good fight, the best in the division right now.
I won’t be ordering the travesty that is Pac-JMM. Pac fights at WW so he basically doesn’t have to cut weight anymore, and its arguably been an improvement. JMM just has no business fighting anyone above Lightweight.
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
Hell, Manny was basically brought in to lose to DLH in a money grab retirement fight. You want to talk about boxing history lessons, people were harshly criticizing De La Hoya at the time for taking a fight against a guy who fought at Super Feather earlier that year. Hindsight is funny that way.
Get that nonsense out of here. You’re acting like Manny was a huge underdog. He went off at like +135 and a lot of people were picking him because of how drained out De La Hoya looked and how awful he looked against Forbes earlier that year. Besides, everyone knew that Oscar was there for the payday more than anything. He didn’t care about the fight. He was a fading star meeting an oncoming comet. He stood no chance. And a lot of people knew it.
by FlyByKnight on Aug 25, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
He was a fading star meeting an oncoming comet. He stood no chance. And a lot of people knew it.
Now that’s some nonsense. It was thought that he might just bully his way through the fight b/c Pacquiao was fighting at fucking featherweight before moving up to eventually take this fight. “A lot of people” felt like it was a no-win situation for DLH, because if he won he was picking on a guy two weight classes lighter and about 4 or 5 inches shorter than him, and if he loss, well, he lost to that same guy. A lot of fans were clamoring for a fight with Cotto, or at least a guy his own size.
Either way, Pacquiao was the underdog for a reason, and NOBODY predicted DLH getting destroyed the way he did. He was not really an “oncoming comet”. He was known to be a damn good fighter, but not a household commodity at that point or any reason to predict as such. DLH is the fight that made Pacquiao, He’d never done more than 400,000 PPV buys before DLH, and that was JMM 2. Other than that, he was getting about 350K buys a fight, and only did 250K for his fight with David Diaz, which was the fight he did right before DLH. So this idea that everybody saw him coming in like a comet or a shooting star or the fucking asteroid from “Armageddon” is misplaced.
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
bullshit.
They were only bums after they got clowned.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 24, 2011 1:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Ducked Hopkins after he beat him??
That made sense.
Let him Contemplate this on the Tree of Woe. --Tulsa Doom
The fight to make at the turn of the century was RJJ-Hopkins and RJJ wanted no part of that
“Punch me so I can sue you” were RJJ words. The guy was a clown entertainer who was protecting his brand and marketability. Obviously a lot of people bought into his marketing campaign and believe he really was this phenom. He was nothing more than an above average boxer and good athlete but like Mayweather, and many before them, operate slyly within the institutions of boxing and take safe fights.
*believed,*operated, *took
Proofreading ftw
but like Mayweather
Damn. Maybe you have more information than me but Mayweather didn’t really enjoy serious negotiating power early in his career. It took a long while and a lot of legal Bob-Arum turmoil before he could sit back and dictate the terms and conditions of his future matches.
Fans, media personalities give Mayweather Jr. a lot of flack for ducking and picking his fighters but ironically Manny Pacquaio has been dancing with the same guys . . . Mosley, Hatton, De La Hoya, Marquez, etc. Note, there are some fighters that both Pacman and Mayweather won’t consider getting in the ring with.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 24, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
^This
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 24, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Difference is...
Pacquiao destroyed those guys in ways PBF just seems reluctant or incapable of doing. Also, Pacquiao moved up three weight classes to retire DLH, and then fought Hatton as pretty much a tune-up fight before demolishing Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito. Floyd followed up his win over Hatton by fighting a guy two weight classes smaller than him.
People like to forget that Pacquiao fought at 130lbs for the three years prior to the DLH fight, beating basically the entire country of Mexico and a who’s who of all time greats at that weight class (including Marquez in his best division) before jumping up three weight classes for what people believed would be a bullying win by DLH.
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
by sBruce24 on Aug 25, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not happy with what Pacquiao's doing this year, though.
This year he should have fought Berto instead of Mosley, and if he’s going to fight a naturally lighter weight fighter in JMM again, he should be fighting Tim Bradley instead. He’s just going for the money this year, and its pretty sad.
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
blah, blah, blah, blah
Pacquiao is a very offense first fighter. Mayweather Jr. is defense first. Too different approaches.
Believe it or not, BOTH Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao fights guys when it is convenient and financially lucrative for both of them. FREDDIE ROACH turned down Shane Mosley well before he fought Mayweather Jr. When Pacquiao entered the ring with De La Hoya and Mosely they were done. Yes, the same can be said about Mayweather Jr.
He’s just going for the money this year, and its pretty sad.
This year? Wow. I like both fighters but I’m not delusional. Freddie Roach knows how to pick fights. There are always guys out there that would LOVE the opportunity to get in the ring with Pacman BUT if they don’t fit a particular criteria then those fights won’t happen.
Thanks for the history lesson concerning Pacman coming up in weight, it has been covered ad-nauseum by HBO 24/7 series. Nah, but seriously there’s a reason why MMA looks a whole lot better than boxing now-a-days because Mayweather Jr. and Pacman were competitors then they would have fought against each other back in 2008.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 25, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He fought Hopkins in 93
That was for the MW title, so I’d hardly call it irrelevant
If I remember correctly
James Toney was not a bum when he fought Roy Jones.
The only substitute for victory is overkill.
by Underhand Left on Aug 25, 2011 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Toney
was supposed to MURDER him.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 25, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
The Dark Flash
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 24, 2011 2:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ROFL
You are comparing apples to oranges. Roy Jones Jr. doesnt have to account for a kick or knee to the face either does he? Does he have to worry about a take down? Sorry man but you have no point here. Also, what do you base your “RJJ has more power” statement on? Have you tested this or are to talking out your ass?
If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!
Roy
didn’t have to worry about getting his head kicked off or stuffing take downs either, just sayin.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 25, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Damnit
^Crizzy already pointed this out
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 25, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
That would suck
Watching Roy get knocked out in Memphis, after idolizing him since I was 12 in Pensacola was painful.
I'M MADDER N HALE!!
i didnt like it either.
It’s right up there with Royce getting handled by Hughes.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 24, 2011 2:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
broke my heart
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 24, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
from an interview with Forrest
"Every fight I go into, no matter what happens, it could not be worse than Anderson Silva. [Anderson punched me] repeatedly and I was very confused. I tried to punch him and he literally moved his head out of the way and looked at me like I was stupid for doing it.
"He looked at me like, ‘why would you do such a stupid thing?’ He looked at me like, ‘oh, did you really think you were going to hit me? What a stupid thing to think, you slow slow white boy.’ Then he punched me. I felt embarrassed for even trying to punch him."
by crookb on Aug 24, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 16 recs
I love that story
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 24, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still laughing. This is too funny because . . . damn it is true.
The slow motion clips are unreal.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 24, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's all take a moment to thank Jason Ellis for that interview.
Now all of you, go subscribe to Sirius (or XM) and listen to his show.
"So even though it’s the gayest sport ever, MMA is still the best sport ever. I love my gay sport." - Wrestling Uber Alles
"If your [BJJ] training involves any part of you or training equipment inside any of your partner’s orifices, you’re doing it wrong." - gzl5000
I thought that was from his second book?
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Nah
It was a quote from an Opie and Anthony interview. They asked him what happened in the Silva fight and he just went off.
Must have been quoted in the second book then
Because I’m like 90% sure that’s where I saw it. Thanks for the info tho bro
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
naw
It was the Shannon berk show? English guy on sirus. He was cool to him after they hit each other with kendo sticks.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Aug 25, 2011 9:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No, it was the Jason Ellis Show!
"So even though it’s the gayest sport ever, MMA is still the best sport ever. I love my gay sport." - Wrestling Uber Alles
"If your [BJJ] training involves any part of you or training equipment inside any of your partner’s orifices, you’re doing it wrong." - gzl5000
Nah son
it was the Rickey Smiley Morning Show!
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 25, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Mmm...I don't know about that.
I’m waiting for Obasi to bring Wing Chun to the UFC.
"Don't worry about a thang...I got this"
He’s far from just “the dude” in Blade.
He didn’t even want to appear in the film.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 25, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
What kind of porn are you watching?!?
That said, It’s sexy as all hell and better looking than most porn stars…
"better looking than most porn stars…"
What kind of porn are YOU watching!?
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 25, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Fraser, what do you say to the theory that Forrest first and foremost gave up (I think BE even had an article about that once)?
The one thing he does do is hit his target dead on the mark, and that’s all he needs. It’s a crazy finish that should never work, but such is the magic of Anderson Silva.
"No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
Yeah, I don’t know, it’s hard to say. I mean, I don’t think he took a dive by any means – he’s just not that kind of fighter/person. But I do think Silva had sucked the will to fight out of him and he was mentally defeated, which caused him to not respond as strongly as he could have. I wouldn’t say he “quit”, though I could go with “Anderson beat him into submission” if that distinction makes any sense.
For what it’s worth, I also think he’s never been the same since, and he never will be. We’ll see this weekend, but I don’t anticipate seeing the fired up Forrest of old. He can keep going, but Anderson Silva ended Forrest Griffin’s career.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Aug 24, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
beat into submission indeed
Don’t forget that during one of the knock downs, Silva offered him a hand up (2nd knockdown i think). To any fighter, it’s a pretty big mental attack. Could have been also why Forest tried to push the pace and Silva perfectly setup to counter the bull rush.
by squaresphere on Aug 24, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, he offered the hand, AND at one point gave him the Maia style “Come on bro, fight!” Both of those must be very frustrating.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Aug 24, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hells yeah
I loved the “Come at me bro!” moment. Griffin looked like “dude, I’m trying!” It would be confusing/frustrating to have a guy who just knocked you down, help you up and then exclaim for you to really fight him.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 25, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
For what it’s worth, I also think he’s never been the same since, and he never will be. We’ll see this weekend, but I don’t anticipate seeing the fired up Forrest of old. He can keep going, but Anderson Silva ended Forrest Griffin’s career.
That, my friends, is a damn good summary of that fight.
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
Yeah, I agree with that.
He looked rocked and I guess Silva would’ve finished him on the ground in one round, but it seemed like his spirit was broken and he gave up.
Sadly I’m still hoping to see the Forrest of old. So you’re leaning towards Rua then?
"No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
I am, but Rua is not exactly the Rua of old either. If Rua is in shape, he wins, If he’s not, Forrest could pull of a not so thrilling victory.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Aug 25, 2011 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone else love watching Silva spend the first 2 mins of every fight plotting his opponent's destruction?
I think that’s one of the mistakes Vitor made. He should have come right at him like Sonnen did instead of dancing around for the first few minutes
by mthom on Aug 24, 2011 12:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’m a fan of Silva. And if I had to fight Silva I would do what Leben and Sonnen did. DO NOT GIVE SILVA TIME TO PLOT YOUR DESTRUCTION. MAKE HIM FIGHT.
- Leben’s problem was and is his reach.
- Sonnen has a learning disability. After all these years his jiu-jitsu game is just not there. Although he did do some good things to stop the fight ending submission.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 24, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Leben is also a very reckless fighter, uneven fighter, reach be damned. This may or may not be due to his status as the American Fujita.
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
A reckless fighter with an incredible chin.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 25, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Worst night of my MMA fan life
The new US "debt deal" cut $2.4 trillion in deficit spending over 10 years. So instead of a $1.5 TRILLION deficit in 2012, we will only have to borrow $1.26 TRILLION to run our country into the ground. O_o
Probably my favorite.
I laughed so hard watching that fight. Its hard to believe that guy won a championship with how bad Silva made him look.
Running out of the cage just added to the hilarity.
Sheeeeeeeee-it
I remember thinking it was weird
It didn’t seem like a fight. It seemed like a circus show. It felt weird and a little sad to me.
It still feels and looks like a Hollywood blockbuster film. Scroll up and watch the slow motion clip.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 24, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Were these your thoughts?
“Noooooooooooooooo!”
followed by
“Holy shit that was amazing though.”
The North remembers...
Would you like Freys with that?
get rid of the "that was amazing" part and you are close.
throw in about 20 more expletives heaped upon my desire to see Anderson Silva as a rotting corpse and you are getting warm.
Took me a long time to even want to watch Silva again. Even longer to appreciate what he had done. It also taught me a great lesson on taking anything so seriously. I had already forgone my childhood “fanboyism” for Lemieux, Jaworski and Schmidt by that point in my life, so it suprised me that I took that so seriously, lol.
The new US "debt deal" cut $2.4 trillion in deficit spending over 10 years. So instead of a $1.5 TRILLION deficit in 2012, we will only have to borrow $1.26 TRILLION to run our country into the ground. O_o
Man, if you couldn’t enjoy this performance I legitimately feel sorry for you as an MMA fan. This fight was a masterpiece, truly one of the greatest of all time.
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Malphite
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Aug 24, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
enjoy or appreciate?
two completely different things as a fan of the defeated opponent. There is no enjoyment in watching your favorite fighter made to look the fool. There is appreciation after the fact for the performance that was given by Silva.
The new US "debt deal" cut $2.4 trillion in deficit spending over 10 years. So instead of a $1.5 TRILLION deficit in 2012, we will only have to borrow $1.26 TRILLION to run our country into the ground. O_o
It is amazing to me that anyone could care that much about a particular fighter. It really puts a lot of MMA fandom in perspective.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
It's no different from other sports fans.
I know basketball, football, and baseball fans who all get very involved in their teams season, and their mood often reflects two bad/good their team is doing. I feel the same way for many fighters; when Bendo beat up Jim Miller, I was a sad puppy.
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- T-Rex
When Shogun KO’d Machida… twas a fucking bummer. If I had to pick a favorite fighter I’d have to say Machida just because I get really nervous when he fights, and I don’t get that way for anyone else. I used to for Fedor, but I guess I’m used to it now.
I was one of the authors of the Port Huron Statement.
On the contrary
I was smiling ear to ear!
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 25, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear you, bro'.
I’ve seen every Shogun fight I can get my hands on, and I still haven’t seen the full fight with Jon Jones yet, and I probably never will. I was watching the PPV with a bunch of friends, and I left after the second round.
Sucks to see your favorite fighter go out like that.
"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye
yes
exactly
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
It was actually the first time I saw Anderson Silva fight live
and I can’t even put into words how blown away I was.
I had seen plenty of highlights and things…but nothing compared to that fight.
I just kept thinking ‘This can’t be real, how can someone be THAT good’
Particularly the moment where he leans out of the left, ducks under the right, leans back out of another left, then hits Forrest and drops him.
that is the kind of shit that, if you saw it in slow motion in a movie, you would sit on your couch and say ‘no fucking way…that is such bullshit’
It was weird to come to terms with the idea that someone actually did that right there in front of me.
PACIFIC RIM
in theaters
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by Chris Groves on Aug 25, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts on this fight have shifted
I used to think Anderson Silva simply has remarkable reflexes and can just wait to react to his opponent. Now it is pretty clear that he has possibly the highest striking IQ in mma. He always takes a couple of minutes to study and analyze his opponents patterns, timing, and arsenal of moves as he mostly sticks to a defensive style. Once he figures it out, he opens up in a beautiful spectacle of mastery.
by Democritus on Aug 24, 2011 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
You can always tell the moment he shifts into offensive striking mode
He starts doing that thing with his hands where it’s like he’s cycling his fists around and throwing quick little shadow boxing jabs out.
When you see that, you know shit’s about to get real. Dana F-ing White said he even gets excited when he sees it.
by Not Hauser on Aug 25, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"When you see that, you know shit’s about to get real."
LOL!
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 25, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Dana said that? WOW.
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 25, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
precisely.
he was in eddy gordo mode for a bit
The best moment of that whole fight was
When Dan laughed and jokingly pushed Silva during the fight, like he was saying “C’mon man, don’t do this to the poor guy!” lol
by RobSchneider'sSuccessfulTwin on Aug 24, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
No one knows
I may be the only one, but I think weird shit like that only adds to the mystery/awesomeness of the Spider. I actually enjoyed the Maia fight (granted I didn’t pay for it). It was entertaining and Andy put on a full display of mma (for a brief moment he even used Capoeira!). I’d rather see shit like that over caveman stalling…
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 24, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
You are not the only one!
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by Fraser Coffeen on Aug 24, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Greg Jackson said it best, I love all that stuff
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UFC 134:: Sad but true, Forrest Griffin will defeat Shogun again. I really hope I am wrong. If Anderson Silva loses, it will be good for his career, the MW division and the UFC.
by VeeisAnimated on Aug 24, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought I was the only one!
I actually found the first three rounds really entertaining. He seemed to be making up his own moves on the spot. Pulling off that level of clowning in the middle of a high level fight is pretty extraordinary.
by Hummus5989 on Aug 25, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ikr!
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Aug 25, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Same here
I thought he put on an amazing show against Maia. Clearly Maia did something he didn’t like so he clowned the fuck out of him.
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by Underhand Left on Aug 25, 2011 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I still don’t understand why he didn’t just go out there and put some next level shit on Maia to make an example out of him, but who knows what goes on in the minds of greats.
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by SentientAndroid on Aug 25, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
He was in full clown mode
Andy was pretending to hide behind Dan from the fearsome Maia
by Not Hauser on Aug 24, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty stupid thing to do by Tan Dan (not hte first time he did that). Someone will finally slap his face.
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by dancingChicken on Aug 24, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
For some reason
I just love when TanDan pushes him
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by Chris Hall on Aug 25, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This fight was truly Silva at his finest. Truly.
I wish Silva fought more at light heavyweight. It seemed to bring the best out of him. At middleweight he was clearly bored (that is until Sonnen).
I can’t wait for Saturday. I’m expecting another amazing performance from Silva and I hope Sonnen beats Stann just so I can see Silva really bring it to Sonnen.
Not sure about this
As for that punch itself – I really don’t know what to say about it. There’s no reason it should work
If I remember correctly this punch was actually an “Anchor Punch” which does have a good amount of power hidden in it.
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its all in the left foot
He changes his momentum and collides with Forrest fist first.
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by the-gentle-way on Aug 24, 2011 3:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah the punch was anchored.
And most importantly, forrest was literally running into it flailing wildly. Doesnt take much more than a little precision and timing for silva to finish a dude he already had rocked
This will not stand man, this aggression will not stand!
by RearNakedToke on Aug 24, 2011 8:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
worst gameplan ever
i still don’t understand what forrest was thinking in that fight. did he expect to outstrike anderson? was he expecting to pull anderson into a brawl? he had the size advantage, but he fought a smaller man’s fight and his career is still feeling the effects.
by Trust Doesn't Rust on Aug 24, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions
Hard to follow a game plan when you can’t touch your opponent.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 24, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
he’d have had a much better chance of touching him if he’d tried to clinch with him or put him up against the cage. chasing anderson silva down and throwing straight one-two-three combos is about as bad an idea as i can imagine
by Trust Doesn't Rust on Aug 24, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he was put in there by the UFC to brawl with anderson. Silva was coming off a few boring fights where nobody would engage him. Forrests biggest mistake (as he has said) was agreeing to be the guy to go throw hands with him
This will not stand man, this aggression will not stand!
by RearNakedToke on Aug 24, 2011 8:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was in Philly for this and remember after the 2nd knockdown being a little rattled. At that point in the fight it felt like this poor guy is going to get seriously hurt and there’s nothing he can do about it. It felt like a small dog was trapped in a cage with a lion. That’s why the way it ended was so good, not brutal but as definitive as possible. Anderson was a true martial ARTIST and Forrest was his canvas.
by Dpez71 on Aug 24, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
oh yeah
During the 2nd knock down it was definitely an, “oh shit” moment. The revelation and acceptance to the viewers that Forest was out classed by miles.
by squaresphere on Aug 24, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This is still very hard to watch
I’ve always been a big Forrest fan and it was completely embarrassing. I think this Sat will decide if Forrest is really an elite LHW, but regardless, it looked like he didn’t belong in the same cage as Silva. It still makes me very uncomfortable watching this; it seems wrong. It’s like watching a grown man hit a child; Forrest had almost no way of defending himself.
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by Hudson's Soul Patch on Aug 24, 2011 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
boxing
I believe that boxers do train punches moving forward and back, just fyi.
He dominated Leben in much more viscious fashion.
Silva beat Leban down like he was a one legged step-child.
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Leben’s beat down was an epic cat vs mouse fight. Still one of my favorite Silva fight.
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- “Why doesn’t he punch that guy back? He should punch him back.”- my mother-in-law
The Irvin fight produced the best Silva fight quote ever:
“His precision is so . . . precise.” – Mike Goldberg
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 24, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd
fory your mother in law’s quote. It’s great watching mma with casuals just to hear what they say!
Mom – “Why the hell did he just spit on the floor!?” (after the first round of the Cote/Belcher fight, Cote went to his corner and just spat on the ground)
Sister – “Man, is he gonna fight back?” (witnessing Diaz getting ’Gief’d by Rory)
Gf – “Who are you talking about? Silva, yeah I like Silva.” Me – “Bay, which one?” Gf – “you know Silva, that one.” Me – “There’s like 5 of them, and that’s Alves…”
Gf – “I’m rooting for Clay Guido” (Who the fuck is Clay GUIDO!? And she was only rooting for him because I was adamantly rooting for Pettis.)
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by SentientAndroid on Aug 24, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
my mother after witnessing an interception in an nfl game : “so the other team gets the ball now? That sucks dick.”
Also, in defense of mike goldberg… If i was watching a silva fight live, i’d probably be spewing out dumb shit too….
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Aug 24, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 25, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Watched the whole fight last week
Someone needs to post the gif of Anderson helping Forrest up. It’s mindboggling.
Like, he fucking extended his hand to him and helped him to his feet. In a fight. In a UFC fight, no less. I couldn’t imagine in a million years what that must have felt like for Forrest, considering he is one of the top 100 or so combat trained humans on the planet and a massive alpha male, having his opponent treat him as if he was his little brother.
On top of that, after he had already knocked him down twice and helped him up, Anderson gave him a “come on, let’s fight!” look and punched himself in his own face. The look on Forrest’s face was like “come on yourself, I’m trying!”
Incred.
by Luke Nelson on Aug 24, 2011 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
"come on yourself, I’m trying!"
lol exactly! Forrest even kinda gesture-shrugged like “dude, I’m trying”
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by SentientAndroid on Aug 25, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Forrest Griffin waving his hands at Anderson to say "please, no more"
is MMA’s “No Mas” moment.
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As far as the 'Jab KO'
I think there are a few contributing factors
On one hand, Forrest had been dropped twice already in the fight, and I doubt he was fully recovered…so he probably didn’t need a full power shot to knock him out.
I don’t think Forrest was really knocked out. I am sure the punch was stronger than a simple jab…the way forrest ran into it and everything.
But it also caught Forrest in mid stride, you can see he loses a step and falls in a kind of bad way…and I think he consciously, or fairly consciously in his semi-rocked state, just gave up…I don’t want to say gave up, because it sounds like I’m knocking him…but he decided that enough was enough. He goes down, puts his hands up, and pretty much gets right back up and runs out of the cage.
I don’t think he was knocked out…or he wouldn’t have really had enough sense to put his hands up and pretty much stand right up. He was hurt bad and decided enough was enough.
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I have always thought these guys might have had a backroom agreement to only throw hands. I could see Forrest remarking “if there’s no leg strikes or clinch, I think I could do well in striking vs. Anderson” and then Silva actually taking him up on it. People are usually opposed to these sorts of theories, but it explains so much about the fight.
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Forrest opened with a left, right, headkick combination.
He threw a leg kick, Anderson caught it, and almost James Irvin’d him. Clearly that was a bad move.
If I remember correctly Anderson broke Griffin's jaw..
..with that last jab. Thats why he gave up. Thats why he held his mouth while giving up and thats why he stormed out of the cage holding his jaw.
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