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If the UFC Likes Guys That Can WAR......


So, Lorenzo Fertitta says Dan Hardy won't be cut because he likes guys who WAR?! Well that's fine, he doesn't really WAR but if that's why you want to keep him then that's okay with me. I don't like it but I don't run the UFC.

Now that the importance of winning has been reduced and you can lose as much as you want and decisively as you want as long as you wildly slug it out, it's only fair that the UFC brings back this guy:

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You think I'm just screwing around? No I'm dead serious. If you're going to make up an excuse for keeping a guy who isn't winning, then you need to allow everyone in a similar situation in the UFC. Say what you want about his skills, Keith Jardine can WAR. In case you don't remember, the Dean of Mean also lost 4 fights in a row, the last one a FOTN battle against Matt Hamill, in which he lost via slightly controversial majority decision. Alas, they cut him anyway despite arguably his best and most "technical" performance of his career.

Post-UFC cut, Jardine lost a close split decision to the very respectable Trevor Prangley in the main event of Shark Fights 13. He's now on a 3 fight unbeaten run with a decision win over Francisco France on a card where he may or may not have been paid, a TKO win over Aron Lofton, and then most recently stepped in on short notice like the tough semi-Viking son of a bitch that he is, and fought Gegard Mousasi to a draw. Okay Mousasi pretty much won that fight but the fact that he survived 3 rounds and gave it his all against one of the best light heavyweights in the world is damn courageous in my book. It epitomizes Jardine all over.

He's managed a couple of wins (albeit against unheralded opposition) and on-paper a draw against Mousasi. Get him back in the UFC. Yeah he's 35 but he's probably looked 35 since he was 12 years old. The fact of the matter is he's got a far more credible resume than Dan Hardy. Look at who he's beaten:

- Forrest Griffin, a universally recognized top 10 LHW and former UFC LHW champion. And he did it via vicious TKO in which he made Forrest cry on his stool.

- Chuck Liddell, who at the time was still one of the best LHWs in the world and just coming off the Rampage loss. He went the distance with Chuck, dropped him in the 3rd round and earned the split decision victory. Believe it or not, this is the only decision loss of Chuck's career.

- Brandon Vera, in the only boring fight of Jardine's UFC career, but in fairness Vera hasn't been exciting in 5 years. Vera's not a bum and this was a good victory for Keith.

 

Even in his most recent losses, three of the four men he lost to before he got the ax were either former UFC champions (Jackson) or ended up in a #1 contender's fight (T. Silva and Ryan Bader). Much like Hardy, in this 4 fight losing streak he's been stopped twice and went to decision twice. Unlike Hardy, whose two decision losses features such scores as 30-27  x3 and 50-43, 50-44. and 50-45, Jardine pulled even with Rampage on two scorecards heading into the final round, and the aforementioned majority decision against him in the Hamill fight.

Jardine has only really lost to the best of the best (and Stephan Bonnar). At the time of the bouts, Hardy has now lost to #15 - Condit, NR - Lytle, and #25 - Johnson.

If you want to talk about Keith's very bad chin and general disregard for defense, then you're within your right to. He'd still get destroyed by the top of the food chain fighters, but I absolutely think he can pose problems for middle-of-the-road guys like Krzyzstof Soszynski, Luiz Arthur Cane, Jason Brilz, and even Igor Pokrajac. You can argue about Jardine's chin problems if I can argue that Dan Hardy is in a wrestler-heavy division and would get manhandled by Mike Pierce and choked out by Claude Patrick.

It's only fair an logical that if the requirement to stay in the top MMA organization in the world is to be entertaining, then Keith needs to be re-signed. Jardine always brings it, has quality wins, and can easily slot in as a gatekeeper for the remainder of his career. Also, I want to hear Joe Rogan go on and on about his "very underrated ground game".

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Win or lose jardine will go for broke.

One hell of a fighter that definately needs another chance at the big leagues.

by itsnotthatserious on Aug 20, 2011 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

He goes for broke,

but his style is horribly inefficient and lacks any sort of aesthetic appeal. The only KJ fights I enjoy involve him getting the snot beat out of him in the first 2 minutes… and the Forrest fight.

At least Hardy’s style doesn’t resemble a drunk/ wildly flailing karate retard with rigor mortis.

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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 20, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a really interesting fanpost.

While I thought the Moussasi decision was BS you’re right with your assessment of Jardine. His cut was strange when considering Hardy’s last fights.
I don’t think we will ever see him in the UFC again, but there are some nice fights in Strikeforce. I think I rather see him fighting in Strikeforce to be honest. I think he would match up much better with their talent.

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by killphil on Aug 20, 2011 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Well there is the high chance Strikeforce goes under and is absorbed into the UFC

I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.

by SSreporters on Aug 20, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah I think it's more strange that Hardy didn't get cut

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by sun yue on Aug 21, 2011 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

UFC never should have cut him the first place

I’ve always thought, given the size of their roster, there was room for guys like Mark Hunt, Jardine, etc., guys who won’t contend for a belt but can put on a hell of a show. There’s value in that and it does nothing to detract from substantive fights like Bendo/Miller. I’m all for cutting guys like Joe Daddy who show nothing in losing efforts while on a losing skid, but guys like Jardine who put on competitive wars (I think people forget he was probably going to decision Bader before the KO) should have a place in the UFC.

by Gitaroo_Dude on Aug 20, 2011 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Kind of hard to bring back a guy who just got mutilated in SF in his last fight

I mean, not everybody can be Phil Baroni.

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by Neil Manich on Aug 20, 2011 8:03 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Phil Baroni is the BEST EVAH so obviously not everyone can be

But Keith Jardine can WAR!

I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.

by SSreporters on Aug 20, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hardy is “international” and the one thing Fertitta always mentions in interviews is international expansion.

by UncleMax on Aug 20, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Let’s not fool ourselves. The only reason Hardy is staying is because he’s an asset in the British market. He’s entertaining and charismatic as well, but the key thing is that he’s a name they can throw on a British card and please the fans there.

Hardy needs to count his blessings.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 20, 2011 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish Bisping was more likeable so they could whore him out more

But it appears many Brits don’t like Bisping either when he’s their best MMA fighter by miles. If he had Hardy’s personality and charisma he’d possibly be a headlining PPV draw.

I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.

by SSreporters on Aug 20, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ratings for UFC 120 say otherwise

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by MattParker117 on Aug 20, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

They say that Randy Couture is a big name in MMA.

I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.

by SSreporters on Aug 20, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, they cut JOE. The GOD of WAR. They aren’t giving old pillow fist Jardine another shot.

by memitim on Aug 20, 2011 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Well...

WAR Dan Hardy or even WAR Hardy sounds cool.

WAR Keith Jardine or even WAR Jardine just sounds silly.

And this disproves your notion.

Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.

by halitosis on Aug 20, 2011 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Holy shit!
Vera’s not a bum

SS are you feeling alright?
This doesn’t sound like you, is you gf posting with your account or something?

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 20, 2011 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Seattle is looking like crap tonight

Vera sucks.

I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.

by SSreporters on Aug 20, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jardine's cool in my books.

He either gives his opponent one hell of a grueling fight, or he gives us one of these awesome moments

I was so happy for Wandy! Bring The Dean of Mean back!

by Tats16 on Aug 20, 2011 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

This is how Wanderlei’s UFC run should be remembered. This, and his FUUUUUUUU face when he was trying to guillotine choke Michael Bisping out of existence.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Aug 20, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bisping lost to old Wand.

OLD WAND!
Seriously, Bisping has zero shot against Miller’s ground attack.

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 20, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keith is in a good spot right now

honestly, he needs some more wins and the SF lhw div is so thin

by elmojo on Aug 21, 2011 2:04 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree

Send him to Japan to fight in one of those DREAM/SF shows they do on HDNet.
Have him fight some chubby Japanese fighter who should be at MW.
If he wins yay….and stuff.
If he loses Japan gets some much needed hope. You know, cuz of earthquakes and Yakuza and stuff.

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 21, 2011 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

and stuff

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by RolloTomasi on Aug 21, 2011 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

And then some.

by itsnotthatserious on Aug 21, 2011 5:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Keep in Strikeforce

Let’s see how he does there first. Strikeforce apparently is probably going down eventually but not in 6 or 7 months.

Strikeforce’s LHW division is actually their second deepest, but their depth problems are so severe that I’m not in favor of bringing over anyone else from Strikeforce to the UFC. They need people badly. The UFC does not need another mid-tier LHW right now who hasn’t beaten anyone good since 2008 and has gone 2-5-1 since then. Hell the UFC has severe roster bloat at the moment considering they’re actually doing fewer shows next year than this year despite plans to add a Flyweight division.

by Chromium on Aug 21, 2011 8:37 AM EDT reply actions  

If I’m reading correctly between the lines, this post is more a case of wanting Hardy to be cut, and using Jardine to prove your point. If so, I fully agree. I don’t think Jardine should be back, and neither should Hardy. Say what you will about the UFC policy of cutting fighters on losing streaks, but it’s well established at this point, and it’s pretty silly to see them throw that away for Dan fucking Hardy.

by Horselover Fat on Aug 21, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Brilliant technic

In the gif posted in the article. Look at those crisp punches.

In all seriousness, I do not wish to see Keith Jardine getting further brain damaged on PPVs. I don’t want to hear Goldie tell us all about his “unorthodox” striking (which translates to "not very good or technical in any way shape or form).

I know the point you are trying to make, why should Dan Hardy get a pass and not Jardine. But frankly, they need Hardy for the UK market. He is engaging, he is funny, and he can sell a fight. He may not be a UFC level fighter, but because of these things, he will get additional shots that other fighters never would get.

Goldie: Michael Jordanesque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter

Rogan (with a sound of disgust in his voice): No, no, no he is not.

Goldie: He is not that good?

by HeadKickOfDoom on Aug 21, 2011 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

technique

Goddamn spelling errors.

Michael Jordanesque in his spelling abilities is HeadKickOfDoom, Joe.

Goldie: Michael Jordanesque in his grappling skills is Travis Lutter

Rogan (with a sound of disgust in his voice): No, no, no he is not.

Goldie: He is not that good?

by HeadKickOfDoom on Aug 21, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I have to say I’m always a bit concerned when I read or hear the name Jardine or when he pops up in some kind of MMA situation since I read an article about him having incredible strong migraine after all those KO losses.

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by killphil on Aug 21, 2011 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

jardine? did rashad evans write this?

i tried to change my username to 'big country fit' but the system wouldnt let me.

by gspmademegay on Aug 21, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

You make a very good point

Unfortunately, I think this is a better argument for getting rid of Dan Hardy than it is for bringing Jardine back.

by Shaun32887 on Aug 21, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Meh

Jardine should have been cut and Hardy also should have been. Now that doesn’t mean that anyone can’t EARN their way back into the UFC, but what does either guy have to offer that we haven’t already seen?

I have zero doubt that if Hardy was from Montana, he would have been released.

And while we are at it, can Goldie and Rogan stop talking about how great a guy’s Muay Thai is??? Hardy isn’t that great and another example is Amir Sodollah, who was absolutely dominated by an aging veteran Bang Ludwig, who truly does have great MT.

by BJJDenver on Aug 21, 2011 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Jardine likes to war, sure, but he also can’t take a punch that well… Oh, and Jardine made $55k in his last fight in the UFC, while Hardy only makes $25k per fight. Oh, and Hardy is infinitely more marketable than Jardine is. Oh, and Jardine is 35, while Hardy is only 29.

by Shnak on Aug 22, 2011 8:36 AM EDT reply actions  

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