'Minotauro' Nogueira Would Not Train With Gay Student
by Mike Fagan on Aug 19, 2011 3:48 PM EDT
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Way back in 2009, Dana White addressed the issue of a gay fighter in the UFC in a video blog for UFC 98. White, hopefully correctly, said it would be no big deal (transcription by MMA Fighting):
"I honestly think it would have no impact whatsoever, with not only our fighters, but our fan base," White said. "The guys in the UFC, everybody's so cool, there's great sportsmanship, everybody's so respectful. It wouldn't be a big deal to me, and most of the guys I know in this sport, it wouldn't be a big deal to them either."
It seems as if Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira isn't fully on board that train. He spoke with UOL Esporte about training with a gay fighter (translation by Tom Mendes):
"I have no prejudice against the gays, but I wouldn't train with someone who's gay. I have no malice, I don't take our physical contact as (something) sexual. But what if the gay person has that malice of having physical contact with me, of staying there grappling? I would have no problems having a gay student in my academy, but I would rather not train with him."
This is just all sorts of unfortunate. I don't really know what to say. This is the equivalent of a guy telling his ladyfriend (or vice versa or guy telling his boyfriend or whatever) "Uh, yeah, it's not YOU that I don't trust. It's all those other guys that I don't trust!"
The only saving grace for Nogueira is if he also refuses to roll with women for the same, if reversed, reason. And that's only a saving grace in the sense that he would at least be consistent with some pretty outdated beliefs.
When Tom sent this to the Bloody Elbow email list, we reacted with sighs and groans. Nogueira is high up on most of our lists of favorite fighters, or at least an honorable mention. So, to hear that a guy not only believes this, but feels it's an appropriate thing to make public is more than disappointing.
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who was Dana talking about being gay in particular?
not that it matters whatsoever, just curious
Bob Reilly,
You can Suck it pal!. Rub the old man dust out of your eyes and watch an MMA event from the last 8 years and you will see it is not "human cock fighting" like it was in the early 90s. Is it brutal? yes, but so is every other sport in its own way, especially in boxing which is statistically more dangerous.
In conclusion...fuck you. You cramp my style, man!
And 'Biggot Nog' shall be his new nickname, henceforth
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by KJ Gould on Aug 19, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
Biggot
a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
I have no prejudice against the gays, I have no malice, I would have no problems having a gay student in my academy, but I would rather not train with him.
-Big Nog
I don’t see how they’re comparable.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 19, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he's intolerant since he won't train them...
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
"I would have no problems having a gay student in my academy"
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 19, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I would rather not train with him.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
by Orcus on Aug 19, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Meaning roll
Read between the lines Tom.
I “trained” with Phil Nurse, but we did not spar together.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 19, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He will
he just won’t roll with them.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
and that's intolerant, isn't it?
but sure, he’ll take their money…
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
No
it’s just not wanting to risk a gay man groping him. They can train there all they want.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I forgot that all gay men want instantly wanna butt bang people during rolling.
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by sklart on Aug 19, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He didn't say that
the weird exaggeration of what Nog said in order to rage about it is hilarious.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats not what he F’ing said, This is what he said
“But what if the gay person has that malice of having physical contact with me, of staying there grappling?”
As in he’s more worried about the other person becoming sexually aroused from rolling with another man, shit, he also says
“I have no malice, I don’t take our physical contact as (something) sexual” – Obviously he’s think that the other person might though, either way doesnt come off as a bigot imo.
How do you Know where Im at? If you dont Know where Ive been...Understand where Im coming from??
sounds like big nog is literally homophobic, as in he’s got a fear of being groped by men. I remember reading that helio gracie refused to train gay people. these things happen in mma?
by heymanhowsitgoing on Aug 20, 2011 1:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
right
so now, Big Nog won’t train them, and he’ll ask around:
who’s willing to train this gay dude? Class? anyone? no, everyone thinks like me? Sorry gay man, we’d train you, but we’re intolerant to gay people, you see… we don’t have a problem with your lifestyle, but since we’re a bunch of machos here, we’re afraid of gay people… peace out, don’t let the door hit you in the behind, though you might like that, don’t you? don’t gay people like that? no? I thought you did, just like I thought you liked rolling around with men… oh well, go on now… and don’t you dare say I’m a homophobe…
no, tolerance is ramped in this scenario…
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
by Orcus on Aug 19, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
You can’t think anything remotely similar to that happens.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
if everyone thinks like he does
than it happens.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
That's a pretty crazy "if"
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, in a world where people thinks like Big Nog if :p
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Big nog should only be afraid of
A sex mad homosexual heavyweight black belt who’s better at jiu jitsu than he is. I’m sure in a universe of infinite possibilities such a man exists, but what are the odds?
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Hell, the scrumptious way Big Nog looks like in that way in pick I would do him. Gently. But none the less…I’d do him.
by basvanderwolk on Aug 19, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
damn beer… I ment: “look slike in that weigh-in pic”.
by basvanderwolk on Aug 19, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Furthermore, how does he know if someone he is training with is gay? Is there a box on the registration form for straight or gay? I’ve never heard Michael Buffer say “Fighter X is a gay black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu…..”. Say he has been rolling with a guy for months and then sees him holding hands in the park with his partner. Yesterday it was cool to roll with him, now it’s weird. I’m sorry, this bums me out about Big Nog.
by memitim on Aug 19, 2011 7:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
yep, me too
had mad respect for the man before this, hopefully he’ll give an apology and change his position on the matter.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
?? Why many guys feel this way
Would women like men to be able to shower in the same room as them in their local gym or school, why aren’t men allowed to shower in the same room as the women.
Knowing how my mind works around naked women knowing a gay man is showering next to me and believeing sexually his mind works the same way on men as mine does on women F*CKIN rights I wouldn’t want to be showering or grappling with that man. Get over it the same reason some Women wouldn’t want to grapple with men, men wouldn’t want to grapple with men that are gay.
Or am I wrong that gay men can control their sexual urges better than straight men?
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by Puck Head on Aug 19, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's a strawman
we’re not talking about showering here, we’re talking about rolling learning bjj. women and men roll learning bjj all day long, that’s the example you should use.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Ok
In a real fight or grappling match(JJ, wrestling or whatever) no problem but in training were it gets relaxing and free spirited at times there can be some uncomfortable periods when there is more time for your brain to drift and knowing your partner could have the hots for you would cause some tension. we all try to be proffessional but there is no way if I was training with a women and my hand accidentally grabbed an ass or boob that I would be semi aroused or in certain postions were my manhood naturally aroused from the rubbing with this women I found attractive…well knowing how I would be with a women grappling with a gay man would make me uncomfortable.
Or can gay guys just shut down their sexual desires at will?
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
look, I did 6 months of BJJ only (long time ago), rolled with many attractive women, I don’t get this “sexual shut down” you’re talking about quite frankly, it sounds like you have a problem tbh. I like women, but it’s not like when I was rolling with them I thought “hells yeah, gonna grab this and that” or if I accidently grab something, that I’ll get a bonner… seriously, are you an adult?
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
by Orcus on Aug 19, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously when you grapple women there’s always a weird dynamic of trying to avoid accidentally grabbing a boob, but it’s really not that big of a deal.
by discoandherpes on Aug 19, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously when you grapple women there’s always a weird dynamic of trying to avoid accidentally grabbing a boob, but it’s really not that big of a deal.
every situation is different. Some guys gay or straight just cant train together because they happen to hate eachother….I’m having a brain fart right now but Barnett had a issue with Philo I think and almost had a street fight and they haven’t fought since.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Never said pop a bonner...I said aroused
infact I said semi aroused that means get partially excited and it natural for any human to get excited when they are attracted to anyone especially if they are in physical contact with a person they grappling with.
Now your right memitim maybe that would end getting myself in an armbar and getting my arm ripped off but that doesn’t change the point that sexual attraction can happen anywhere and thinking that possibly another man is attracted to me while we are grappling would be distracting.
Now you guys may be able to control yourself better than others but you don’t speak for all gay men when saying you wouldn’t be excited grappling with certain MMA fighter …NOG might be a bad example so lets say GSP….and you know this is true.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
but see
we’re not generalizing, but you are, you’re saying they may not be able to control themselves, was this not your argument?
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
No that was not my argument Tom
My arguement the entire time has been NOG’s opinion would be the same as a women not being comfortable grappling with a man. If there is any thought going through her head that the man is thinking about her sexually and this makes her feel uncomfortable so she decides she prefers to grapple with men it is the same as NOG not wanting to grapple with gay men.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
sorry she prefers not to............
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
If a girl would think that I had other intensions with her and would turn down training with me because I’m a man, there’s definitely something wrong with that way of thinking. She’d be thinking I’m a creep with no basis to do so, only because I’m a man. It would be very ignorant on her part to think that, and to say that gay men think that same way, is bigoted.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
If a girl would think that I had other intensions with her and would turn down training with me because I’m a man, there’s definitely something wrong with that way of thinking
No it’s not it’s called being human, now your just being a bigot. If you don’t feel comfortable you have every right to say so.
Sure when you build relationships, trust etc with people then sure you can but your view on how every view should be is bigoted. Your being more a bigot than NOG.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Why would you care if another man is attracted to you while you are grappling? If he is acting inappropriately, it will be dealt with, quickly. Otherwise, who gives a fuck. Get to work and forget about it.
If I thought another man was attracted to me that I was grappling with I would lose focus
Thats the point I think NOG is getting at
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
And that just seems crazy to me. Let him be attracted, so what. As long as he is acting and behaving professionally, be as attracted as you want to be. It has zero bearing on me and my focus of being there, which is to tap him out and not get tapped. The rest is nonsense.
Easy to say
As well I stated in an actual match I would have zero issues, but in training were you can be relaxed at times(as the Wandy demotivational poster shows) I can see there being awkward moments that NOG would prefer to avoid.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Let me tell you, I would grapple with someone who is gay any day of the week over some of the meatheads that come thru the gym thinking they are going to be professional quality grapplers after two or three lessons and don’t spend the time to learn technique or listen to the professors. They could be Richard Simmons, glitter throwing gay as long as they are professional and competent on the mat I really don’t care.
Each to their own
How would you feel knowing a man has the hots for you?
You may be ok with it but that doesn’t mean NOG has to be
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Ok this is hilarious
How would you feel if an ugly girl “had the hots for you”?
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by Neil Manich on Aug 19, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly neil ugly or hot I would not feel comfortable
Fact of life is we all desires and fantasy’s the same reason I would feel grappling with a women as a gay man and that uncomfortable.
It doesn’t matter who you are, if a women or man working in your office turns you on you can hide your emotions but when your physically touching eachother thats a another ball game.
And everybody has their turn ons here whatever sex, and I’m sure we can all control them to a degree but your BSing yourself if you think you could be 100% focused grappling with someone that turns you on.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
When we are on the mat there is no such thing as sexual orientation. If someone crosses the line, that is something completely different. Otherwise, I don’t care and don’t understand why anyone would. At all. Nog can have his own feeling about it and I am simply tremendously disappointed in him for feeling that way.
You can't control what others want or desire
And if a man thinks your hot and you still are fine with grappling with him that your choice but that doesn’t have to be NOG’s
You can say that there is no sexual orientation but thats BS anywhere in life. You like what you see your attracted and not as focused andknowing someone is attracted to you the same thing.
NOG has every right to feel the way he does.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
And I have every right to be disappointed in him for having, what I believe, such archaic near bigoted way of thinking. That’s all.
Thats an opinion but mine is wether it's a gay guy or women
There is the possibilty of distraction and thats why NOG would prefer not grapple with someone that could be attracted to him…
Just because you say he’s bigot doesn’t make it so, it could be your not opened minded enough to understand were other point of views come from and in a way a bigot yourself
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Like I said, it’s what I believe. I’m not asking you or Nog to agree with me. I’m just saying I think it absolutely silly, pointless and potentially dangerous to worry about grappling with a gay partner unless they behave inappropriately. They should be treated like everyone else. So, what do you do. Do you segregate the gay people? Make them use different showers. Give them gay instructors? Why not just put one of these on their gi and be done with it so we can identify them properly.
Honestly I think we should all be treated equal, the same reason there is girls and boys room is the same reasons there should be gay and lesbian rooms. The rooms were created for our sexuality. Sure I could go and have shower with the ladies and seem cool as I’m sure gays and lesbians have been doing for years but is that really fair for the young ones that can’t hide their true emotions and instead hide and don’t participate in gym or team activities. I’m I wrong here?
I don’t have all the answers but I think many guys would have a hard time grappling with a gay man or straight women. I guess your right if I was in a MMA gym I would feel worse singling out another man and leaving him out so I would suck it up and I’m sure NOG would too we just prefer not too be in that situation.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
FYI I was joking about the showers
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
every time I get mounted triangled by a hottie my will to fight diminishes. I pass out and have sweet dreams;)
Om nom nom…
by Danthemmaman on Aug 21, 2011 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions
so, it means gay fighter would have an edge on the fight?
if it disturb fighters, i guess next champions will all be gay then lol
by alibabarouge on Aug 19, 2011 11:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How do you get your edge?
“I tell my opponent I wanna suck his cock off.”
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"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
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Cause all gay men are rapists?
and opportunists? Uncle touchy get a little bit too close to you a couple Christmas’s ago?
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by Adamantium007 on Aug 20, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The funny part
its too late, he’s probably had dozens(maybe hundreds) of gay men on top of him by now.
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by TheFilt on Aug 19, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
That is kind of great
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by Neil Manich on Aug 19, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
was gonna say.
recced instead.
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by some schmuck in texas on Aug 19, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't train with guida because he's gross
does that make me a terrible person?
by Gisele Federico Navarro Mendez on Aug 19, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
no, that makes you smart
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 19, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
tol·er·ance
[tol-er-uhns] Show IPA
noun
1.
a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one’s own; freedom from bigotry.
Big Nog tolerates homosexuality. He just doesn’t want anything remotely resembling hands-on experience with it.
"So even though it’s the gayest sport ever, MMA is still the best sport ever. I love my gay sport." - Wrestling Uber Alles
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Because no one has ever heard a bigot say
“I’m not racist, some of my friends are black.”
by Ikuhisa Quinoa on Aug 19, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh.
So Nog really does hate the gays, he’ll just let them in his academy for the publicity?
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 19, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
$
Also believing that he really doesn’t have prejudice towards gay people allows him to feel good about himself.
Yes...
Nog is surely hurting for pupils in his BJJ academies.
I hope one day you are put in an uncomfortable situation, you are honest and forthright about how it makes you feel uncomfortable and you don’t want to participate, and people accuse you of being a bigot and a racist simply because you are human.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 19, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahahahaha.
Acknowledging your own prejudice is one of the most uncomfortable and rewarding experiences you can possibly have. It allows for growth.
Lots of people all over the world hold deeply rooted bigotry but deny it, or are even unaware of it. Believing they don’t exist feels better. Your remark about hoping I get called a racist means you’re well aware exactly how bad it would make Nog feel to acknowledge his own prejudice.
by gzl5000 on Aug 19, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he doesnt know
If you close your eyes, pretend its a girl ,not more than one knuckle deep penetration and no ferry dust inhaled while they are in your guard then it doesnt instantly turn you queer. After 14 years of training Im certain some of the dudes were gay, but the ones that are tough are the ones with poor hygiene .. Note poor hygiene not typically associated with the homos.
grappling
i don’t roll with females because i personally believe it’s inappropriate, but that’s just me. i don’t want my sister or my girlfriend rolling with a gym full of guys either. It’s just too physically personal if a natural sexual attraction exists. If a guy is naturally attracted to men i imagine an mma gym is like a dream come true but then again i am a primitive old fashioned guy. Still i wouldn’t want to offend a gay man if they trained in the same gym and needed a rolling partner. I understand big nogs perspective though
by mr.mmaman on Aug 19, 2011 11:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
problem with my last statement
I just realized how i have no problem refusing to roll with girls … but would roll with a gay man because i don’t want to offend him. Shouldn’t i equally not want to offend women? The thing is i am attracted to women so out of respect to them i decline. Big nog respects gay people and i think we all can respect big nog unless we’re just looking pick. He seems like a cool bus petting dude for real for real.
by mr.mmaman on Aug 19, 2011 11:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
problem with my username
During this forum i also realized that my username is kind of gay … mr.mmaman …
by mr.mmaman on Aug 19, 2011 11:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't get your logic
so do you not check women out out of respect because you find them attractive?
by heymanhowsitgoing on Aug 20, 2011 1:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't feed the incoherent bear.
He sounds confused about a couple things.
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by Adamantium007 on Aug 20, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Unbelievable
Not only is that a completely disgusting thing to think and say but it takes a special kind of dumb to actually think it’s an acceptable thing to say to someone. Also I’m not sure if it’s a translation issue or not but calling homosexuals “the gays” is wildly inappropriate too. Very disappointed that people still think like this but I can’t say I’m surprised.
Yeah, I wouldn’t put too much stock in the exact wording given that it’s a Portuguese-English translation.
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perfectly PC to say 'the gays' in Portuguese
my apologies, I should have thought of that before translating :p
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
just change 'the gays' to 'gay people'
and it should read exactly how he said it in Portuguese.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Get Lost!
So Nog doesn’t want to train with “the gays”. So what? What do you care?
by pwdminotauro on Aug 19, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's a carrot
There’s a bus over there you can feed.
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by KJ Gould on Aug 19, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
sonnen disciples spreading… mankind in danger
by gabriezim on Aug 19, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You love it
Admit it :P
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Whoa this is awkward..
…it used to be bad to be gay and end up in you being an outcast. Now if you say you dont have a problem with gays but you would rather not roll around on the floor with one between your legs, you are not considered heterosexual you are considered a small minded bigot.
I suggest you wind your neck in and cancel the gay pride march before it gets out of hand.
I am a straight man who has no problem with gay people, but does it make me a bigot to not want to roll on the floor with one? Leave the man alone! It makes a chnge for someone to not be PC all the time.
by mmadonjuan on Aug 19, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
Maybe he just doesn't like parades. I've always found them mildly threatening.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 19, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate parades
It sends my Tom TOm on the fritz looking for alternate routes.
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 19, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Too bad they cant work beyond -50 Farenheight cuz then you will have a dead TONTON
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by dandeman on Aug 19, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but you can sleep in that bitch for sure.
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 19, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That looks like an awesome cake!
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by Adamantium007 on Aug 20, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes they should cancel the gay pride parades. If you gays want to be looked at as our equals, you have to first stop begging for special attention. We don't get parades for banging women.
But you get one for acting like a girl and banging other dudes? AND STOP CALLING US HOMOPHOBES! We don’t fear you. Maybe you gays are straightaphobic or vaginaphobic. But calling us homophobic because we don’t care for your lifestyle is just as biggoted. Nog is right, If you took let’s say…your daughter to a gym, you wouldn’t want her rolling with guys because you know how guys are. Maybe you don’t get it because you are gay and feel offended,but it’s real. Just like a lot of straights would get cheap thrills rolling with a girl (they girl may like it too), a lot of gays absolutely would get cheap thrills rolling with other men. And you know damn well that’s why some of them wrestle in the first place. This is insane,Why does Nog have to make himself uncomfortable so gays can feel comfortable?
by djkrazykill on Aug 20, 2011 3:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My first thought to this line of reasoning is...
why do you automatically assume any gay guy would find you so sexually attractive he couldn’t restrain himself? Quite the ego you have there.
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by duck on Aug 19, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
It's because
I’m really hot.
:p - orcus
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THIS!
Those are my thoughts exactly. How I hate all those comments.. “I’m not homophobic, I have nothing against gay people, I just don’t want one to hit on me” – guess what, you aren’t Jessica Alba for homosexuals.
Dude I'm with you
It’s like with my restaurant. I don’t allow black people in, I don’t hate them, I’m just not COMFORTABLE with them, so they’re not allowed, what’s the big deal? There’s other restaurants right? Stay strong mmadonjuan!
Some of this might have gotten lost in translation
But effectively, isn’t Nog just saying “I don’t want some dude saying I was getting handsy with him”? It seems more of a covering-his-bases thing than anything malicious or discriminatory.
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I trust Tom's translation.
That being said, I’m sure if this gets noise, Nog’s reps will say it’s not what he meant.
thank you :p
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No worries.
You’ve always done quality stuff in the past. No reason to not believe in your abilities now. UNLESS, you have something you want to confess, Tom. If that’s even your real name…
His real name
is and always will be orcus
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by Chris Hall on Aug 19, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will be attempting to change it legally!
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
ha
what’s up with your sig? thanks for including me :p
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
You putting that face after pretty much every comment has always cracked me up
I’ve had a few quotes from other commenters in my sig for a bit now, and I thought this was better than the one about MDH outing himself.
:p - orcus
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haha
it’s funny because I’d put that because people thought I was always having anger when typing, so I’d put that to show people I’m light headed. later I’d type that there without even noticing, got used to it I guess………….. :p
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
lol that's awesome
:p - orcus
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you might want to sit down if you’re feeling light-headed
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by cosmic fist technique on Aug 19, 2011 10:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it's the weed!
I kid.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Brazilian here speaking
I´ve read it, both in portuguese and english, and Orcus´s translation is 100% accurate.
thank you brother :p
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Huh?
You think there’s nothing discriminatory in someone saying “I wouldn’t train with someone who is gay?” What about that isn’t discriminatory?
There is a line
I wouldn’t let a gay man do lots of shit with me or to me. That’s doesn’t mean I don’t like them, it means I’m just not into it with them.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Really you two?
I don’t want to be crass, but read between the lines of what I was hoping to allude too. I really don’t think I am a bigot because I wouldn’t have sex with a gay man.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Rolling in BJJ doesn’t equal sex, and not every gay guy wants to have sex with every penis he meets. Get over yourself.
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by spudsucker on Aug 19, 2011 4:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 12 recs
I think we both got the joke it’s just a ridiculous thing to say. Just because someone is gay doesn’t mean they lose control over themselves and try to start having sex with every man they meet. There is nothing sexual about sports and I’m sure that doesn’t change if you are gay.
First
it’s not a joke. Second, I’m not implying that gays are sex starved maniacs. It’s crazy to me anyone would think that from what I said.
If you’re uncomfortable with physical contact that could be construed as intimate with someone it shouldn’t be an issue to not want to do it. Of course not all men will be excited by the idea. Some will.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You consider grappling intimate? I think of it as a sport. Nothing about it is sexual. They aren’t hugging and kissing. They’re fighting.
that could be construed as intimate
It depends. I have rolled with some hot chicks. While I didn’t get a boner, it was sure cooler than grappling with some sweaty, hairy, smelly guy.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I think the point Chris is trying to make is that it's your choice though
Shouldn’t you be able to choose who you roll with (outside of competition) regardless of race, age, or sexual orientation?
What if the guy in the corner wears socks on the mat?
Shouldn’t I be allowed to say I don’t want to roll with him because his socks make me uncomfortable?
Do you need any other reason other than it’s creating a situation where you would rather not be there?
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by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 19, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't hate the guy for wearing socks on the mat...
Maybe he has some sort of illness, or maybe HE’s uncomfortable rolling with ME without socks.
Either way, I’m not telling him to take off his socks, and no ones telling me I have to roll with him.
Which is exactly the way I prefer it.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 19, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sure
But once you pinpoint someone based on their race, age or sexual orientation it becomes a matter of you being prejudice. If Chris had said, I don’t like rolling with anyone because it makes me uncomfortable, I can understand that, but saying it’s because the person is gay makes it a different story.
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Agreed
Sure you can say who you don’t want to roll with but saying you don’t want to roll with homosexuals because they will get handsy with you is without a doubt a discriminatory and offensive thing to say. If you don’t see a difference between saying that and saying you don’t want to grapple with someone because they have socks on then I don’t know what to tell you.
That's not what he said
He doesn’t want to roll with gays because they might like it for the wrong reason. He doesn’t know and he isn’t willing to risk it.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well dude,
you have to roll with SOMEONE.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
And you've probably already rolled with a gay guy
Odds are, you have.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Probably
so what?
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So, where you uncomfortable?
What’s that? No? Because you didn’t KNOW the guy was gay? So why does your knowledge of someone else’s date choices outside the gym change your thoughts about practice within the gym?
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Not sure how any of that applies....
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm saying...
you’ve rolled with a gay guy before and you were fine with it, chances are. Yet you wouldn’t be fine with it had you known his dating choices ahead of time. Your prior knowledge of his life outside the gym is the only thing that changed – not the other person’s behavior.
In other words, the problem is you. Nothing else changed except your knowledge of whom your rolling partner dates.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Actually
I don’t think he’s said whether he’d mind or not. Just that he respects Nog’s right to make that decision for himself.
:p - orcus
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pretty much
And that it’s not about homophobia but about “personal feelings regarding sexual attractivness”
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Yep
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I tell people about Herpes
You’ve probably fucked someone with herpes because you didn’t know they had herpes; but, if you knew beforehand that they had herpes, you wouldn’t have fucked them.
In other words, the problem is you. Nothing else changed except your knowledge…
OK, I keed, I keed. :)
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by Underhand Left on Aug 19, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
He just wants to say that even if he or we don’t have the same personal feelings regarding sexual attractivness between human beings, that doesn’t mean Big Nog is “WRONG” or that it is “HOMOPHOBIC”.
It’s just …well … his feelings.
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I've rolled with gay dudes
And strippers and all kinds of strangers at clubs. Ecstasy rules.
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by Underhand Left on Aug 19, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
seriously?
The only substitute for victory is overkill.
by Underhand Left on Aug 19, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
just did
AWESOME!
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by Underhand Left on Aug 19, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I used to roll with a gay guy,
didn’t even know he was gay until way after I left that gym. But he never pulled anything inappropriate… it’s crazy to me that people can’t understand that gays aren’t rabid, depraved perverts who lack self control.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 19, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
All my male friends, straight and gay are rabid, depraved perverts!
The only substitute for victory is overkill.
by Underhand Left on Aug 19, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
aren't we all.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 19, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
But it's his preparation for his professional career.
For whatever reason Big Nog obviously feels something about rolling with a gay man. He doesn’t hate gay men, he will gladly train gay men, but he does not want to roll with gay men.
If he’s thinking about anything other than doing his job while rolling with someone and gets hurt (or worse, hurts them) isn’t that a bad thing? Isn’t it best that he roll with the people he feels comfortable with?
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by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 19, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Saying what Nog said goes far beyond BJJ and MMA it’s treating homosexuals like second class citizens. His saying that he won’t roll with someone who is gay is just another example of someone acting like homosexuals are a lesser form of people. Of course he has the right to roll with whoever he wants but it sets a terrible example for people around the world when he openly announces he won’t roll with gay people because they might think of it as sexual.
by pcusick13 on Aug 19, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OMFG...
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
That's where your wrong though.
It doesn’t go beyond MMA or jitz because that’s all he commented on. He said he would train gays, he said they could be in his school. Presumably this means he would allow gays to roll with everyone else (assuming they felt comfortable with it).
This is a man being honest about a situation.
When did giving an honest answer in which he clearly tried his best to make everyone know he has ZERO ill will towards homosexuals become grounds for comparison to treating gays like second class citizens, or lesser human beings?
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by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 19, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That will be next!
You have to have gay sex at least a few times to prove you’re not intolerant!
by pwdminotauro on Aug 19, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love Nog
But that’s ridiculous Barton.
He’s saying he doesn’t want to train with a gay person because he thinks there is a possiblity they will use grappling as an excuse to rub against him. That’s bad, and problematic.
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Why
If a girl said the same thing about a guy I wouldn’t have a problem with it either. If grappling with someone makes you uncomfortable you shouldn’t have to do it.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
It's the reason why they would feel uncomfortable
Nogueira is characterizing homosexuals as predatory.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 19, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No he isn't
that’s absurd. Unless you feel that my hypothetical girl is feeling heterosexuals are predatory.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
But what if the gay person has that malice of having physical contact with me, of staying there grappling?
Pretty clear that Nog is saying exactly that.
You'd be wrong
He is saying that a gay person might enjoy the physical contact for more than just rolling for the sport reasons. That’s totally within the realm of possibility.
Again, it’s exactly like a women not wanting to roll with a man. It doesn’t mean she thinks all heterosexuals are predators.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're reading more into that word
than is intended. If he really thought all gays were malicious in that sense it seems strange that Nog would point out that he didn’t dislike gays and that he was more than happy to let them train at his academy.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Then why would he say anything at all?
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Simply because he was asked the question, I assume. Why would anyone expressed a bigoted view on a public stage? Because they believe they themselves are not prejudiced. I’m sure Nog believes he has no problems with gay people. In my opinion, his words tell us otherwise.
I don't think that argument
is consistent with your thoughts on why he used “malice”
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It is entirely possible to hold bigoted views towards a certain group while believing yourself to be free of bigotry. White people do it all the time.
1. It is socially desirable not to express outright prejudice.
2. Nog likely believes he is not prejudiced because he believes he is a good person, as per social desirability.
3. Nog’s views towards gay people are bigoted.
4. Nog’s view of himself as a non-bigoted person prevents him from seeing his own comments as prejudicial or bigoted.
by gzl5000 on Aug 19, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It is entirely possible to hold bigoted views towards a certain group while believing yourself to be free of bigotry. White people do it all the time.
Seriously ignorant and racist shit right there. Other people can’t be bigots because they are not white? Is it not possible or is everyone else more tolerant than white people. I’m not sure where you live or how old you are but everyone can be a bigot, and most people are, regardless of race.
to say that ‘most people are bigoted’ is unfounded – you can say that most people in your experience are bigoted… fine, but please don’t bring ‘Most people’ into this unless you know…
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Seriously ignorant and racist shit right there. Other people can’t be bigots because they are not white? Is it not possible or is everyone else more tolerant than white people.
Never said a thing about it being exclusive. White people are just a great example. Look at the history of the world for the past 500 years and possibly the largest historical theme in the creation of the Western World is the white subjugation of non-white people, with sub-human status (as evidenced by skin color) at the center of the justification.
I’m not sure where you live or how old you are but everyone can be a bigot, and most people are, regardless of race.Sure can. Never said different. But the phenomenon of holding bigotry while believing yourself to be free of bigotry is particularly white, while not exclusively so. This is because, having a society where white skin is privilege (read: resulting from that historical oppression that lead to the creation of the modern world), white people are able to choose not to confront their own bigotry. If your skin color isn’t white, you may not have the privilege to avoid situations that challenge your racial views.
Your visceral reaction and assumption that I meant white people exclusively is a little out of proportion.
By you saying white people do it all the time it implied to me that you were singling white people out and speaking in the present tense implied to me that you were speaking about the present and not historically. I don’t agree that being a bigot and not thinking you’re one is a white thing. It is a human thing.
So, what you’re saying is bigots of other races know they’re bigots and accept it, or that white people invented it somehow? I’m just really not sure what you’re saying. If you’re saying you think white people are bigots, just say it. I’m not one to belittle a man’s liberal arts education but I’d get my money back. No one holds the patent on racism or bigotry and to claim the phenomena of not facing your bigotry is a white thing is just incorrect.
You’re seeing this in (funny enough) black and white while I’m not presenting it that way. I said “especially” white, not “exclusively.” The reason I say “especially” is because of white privilege, and I’m referring here specifically to the United States. The pinnacle of white privilege, as I’ve already said above, is the ability to ignore both your own privilege and prejudice by not being forced to associate with other cultures to nearly the degree that people of other skin colors regularly are. Given this, it logically follows that invisible prejudice would exist more often in white people, and anecdotally that tends to be borne out, in my experience and in the experience of those I’ve talked to about it.
Good response. You presented your argument well. It sounds nice and you used a lot of pretty words. Your professors would be proud.
I still disagree with your theory, because that’s all it is, that “invisible bigotry” is especially a white thing. For the most part your argument is anecdotal and sounds straight out of a textbook.
Historically, most cultures didn’t mix, and they still don’t. There aren’t too many black/mexican neighborhoods here in LA. Even people of the same race hate on each other for being darker skinned or for being indigenous, whether they admit it or not.
To pretend white privilege doesn’t exist in some form today I would be kidding myself, but to pretend, in this day and age, it exists in the capacity you speak of is a little delusional. To be clear, I’m not talking about the last 500 years. I’m talking about the present. If you’re basing this on the fact that there is a larger white population, then I will concede to your argument, but aside from that I can’t get behind it. There has been bigotry and prejudice in this world forever and there always will be, by all races of people.
I realize this is something that is not easily quantified but If you can quantify this somehow I’d be interested in seeing it.
No, it’s pretty subjective. Professors aside, this is an argument I believe in. Additionally, I believe the past 500 years absolutely have relevance as they’ve created the world we live in now, it’s just that the central position of racism has been erased and instead positioned as an embarrassing aberration. In any case, it appears you understand my argument but disagree with it. I believe you’re wrong but I’m fine with leaving it there, since you seem to understand what I’ve said.
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Wait
So anyone of any sex who doesn’t want to do something physical with a man is declaring the entire sex is predatory?
Or are you just saying Nog is right, and gay men are predators just like gay men.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
What I'm saying is
You can’t compare things like that. Women have a long and storied history of violence from men. And recieving predatory blows. They kind of have a reason to be paranoid and scared.
Straight men do not have that same history of gay men chasing them around.
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Well the history is a different argument, but tell it to the Greeks
Anyway, the history of it doesn’t matter in the least. People are well within their rights to not grapple with someone who might get a strange satisfaction from it. Gender and sexual orientation is not the main idea.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course he has the right to say no to anybody
But his motivations for this problem stem from greater societal problems. This is bigger than jui jitsu.
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No it isn't
unless you want to read that into it. I don’t. I’m taking it as face value here. Gays might like grappling with him too much so he isn’t chancing it. I get that. Same as if a woman said the same thing about me.
Really, Nogs only problem is not realizing how unattractive he is.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Again
There are deep seated societal reasons why women would be afraid of rolling with men. The deep seated reasons why a man would be afraid of rolling with a homosexual are the same reasons why some dude down there wants them to have different bathrooms.
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We aren't talking about fear
Although I am willing to bet you’re right and some women would have that issue as well.
I’m talking about unwanted contact. Not being afraid of it, just not being comfortable with it.
I can’t hug girls at work. It’s not because they are afraid of me, it’s because it’s not wanted.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Again
Because of a long standing history of guys popping wood during work time hugs.
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What...
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
My experience
I had to wrestle a girl in junior high once at a meet. It was incredibly uncomfortable to wrestle her with all my team, friends, family, and the opponents team (who shouted “DON’T POP A BONER!” jokes constantly to rattle me) in attendance.
Point is, its uncomfortable for everyone: me, her, the ref…I nearly chose not to wrestle her for a multitude of fears, but mainly because I was raised to not hurt women and now there I was in front of my family cross-facing this girl & trying to compete with her as if she were ‘just another opponent’. I knew she wasn’t when we had to reset with me on top & I couldn’t figure out how to place my hand on her navel. Granted, I lived but it was still uncomfortable.
I, like Chris, will take Nog’s statements at face value & will not jump to conclusions. He isn’t alienating homosexuals, just stating HIS preference not be put in an uncomfortable situation, a situation that could change into for the worse one if he was forced into it.
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by tigerlee on Aug 19, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
you were an awkward teen
kids will be kids. that shouldn’t scar you for life.
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by heymanhowsitgoing on Aug 23, 2011 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
No he isn't
jesus…
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He’s basically saying he doesn’t believe a gay man can go to a jiujitsu class and just learn and compete. He doesn’t trust them not to have an alternate agenda. A minority of gay men might, just like there’s a minority of any males looking for an excuse to be a bully or jerk in class but Nogueira’s comments have generalised homosexual men.
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by KJ Gould on Aug 19, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s basically saying he doesn’t believe a gay man can go to a jiujitsu class and just learn and compete.
LOL… no he isn’t. Fucking exaggerators.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Semantics.
He’s saying he’s unwilling to trust that a gay man is just there to learn and compete. Because he could have ulterior motives, Nog says he would never want to train with a gay man. There’s very little difference then, in his behavior, between what he says and what KJ says.
"But what if the gay person has that malice of having physical contact with me, of staying there grappling?"
Yep. I can’t see how I exaggerated that. He’ll have gay students, just as long as he doesn’t roll with them (and presumably someone else in his academy will – unless they have the same outlook as Nog. In which case gay men aren’t welcome)
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I can’t see how I exaggerated that.
I believe you. Which is why this discussion can’t go anywhere. If you can’t see how those things aren’t equal I have nothing else to say.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what malice means right?
It’s a form of bad intention, and in this context an intention other than to do Jiu Jitsu. In other words, an alternate agenda or ulterior motive.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 19, 2011 4:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cause Chael talks a lot of nonsense not to mention he kill— you knwo what, nevermind.
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that Chael Sonnen killed 5 hookers in the mid 90’s. I have heard anything to confirm that Sonnen killed 5 hookers in the mid 90’s, but I haven’t heard anyone denying that Chael killed 5 hookers in the mid 90’s
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by Chris Hall on Aug 19, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
gilbert motherfucking gottfried
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 19, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
...
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So, everything a gay guy does in MMA is sexually-related?
I think you need to talk with those gay friends of yours about their ability to focus on activities other than sex.
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Read all the comments
before you reply if you would.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
There's 600 fucking comments Barton
that’s a big undertaking.
Go for it, duck. Just jump right in.
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I'm betting you didn't change your stance after I read all 600 comments
so my question stands.
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It's been addressed
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll get back to you in 30 minutes or so
Damn, this is a long thread…..
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Missed the point completely.
I should have said derogatory, rather than discriminatory. Devil is in the details, I suppose.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Aug 19, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
To nitpick
by saying he won’t roll with an openly gay student is discriminatory. The question is whether or not his discriminating is justified. I don’t think he’s being malicious either, but he does come across as a bit of a segregationist here.
That last bit may be overstating my case, but oh well.
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Tisk tisk
Unfortunate. But to be honest, I would really WANT to wrestle a gay guy wither. Its probubly something best left unsaid.
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I would really WANT to wrestle a gay guy
Cool. I’m interested to hear whether or not what nogueira says offends you?
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Aug 19, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait...
I meant *wouldn’t
I have no inherant desire to wrestle a homosexual. It would honestly make me uncomforable.
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It really depends on the person. I’d say most homosexuals aren’t awkwardly flirty and physical. If they weren’t I don’t see a problem. But I fully respect nogueira’s opinion
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Aug 19, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah its a slippery one
I don’t hate homosexuals or have any fear of them, hanging around them, talking or anything like that.
But…rolling on the floor in speedo with, any guy really, is a tad uncomforable. I see how that can easily be seen as homophobic, and if thats so, then I guess I am in that sense. It just seems really uncomfortable to me.
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I felt similar about rolling with a girl the first time.
While I was too busy trying to not make things awkward and she was locking up an armbar and making me tap. That armbar made it very clear that she wasn’t thinking “We have different genitals and in another situation might be sexually attracted to each other!” she was there to train and so was I. There is such a thing as non-sexual physical contact, and it’s crazy to me how rarely people acknowledge that.
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by pdl on Aug 19, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
I felt similar about rolling with a girl the first time.
While you go on to make a different point, I think this statement says all that needs to be said.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is fine
but shouldn’t be expected of everyone.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes it should
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by Neil Manich on Aug 19, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why?
Look, I agree Nog shouldn’t have this hang up but I see no real issue with it if he is uncomfortable rolling with someone that might get some extra excitement out of it. The exact same way I would feel if a girl said I couldn’t roll with her.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the fact that he thinks they are going to
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Fact
Anyone who is involved in grapling would know…. there isnt a line up of straight guys waiting to roll with them nor with women. I dont know how this is surprising to anyone.
He was asked a question, and he expressed his personal choice. He lives in a catholic country and there are moral values that are held in high esteem. I would rather he answered the truth and keep his integrity like he did. He is a combatant, a man of honor…
by samir-canada on Aug 19, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
What is moral about discriminating against people with a different sexual orientation?
Too many apologists here. I love Nog too, but what would happen if you replaced the word “homosexual” with any race. How would that sound?
It woulnd't make any sense...
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF
sexual orientation =/ race.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
True
This would be like, I don’t want to use my mac book in front of a white guy because he’ll just try to get on his tumblr all day with the damn thing and download six gigs of Norah Jones.
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Fair enough
All us white boys love some Norah Jones
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Guess im not in the norm.
Im a fucking perv on the few instances that I’ve rolled with girls. I would get her in the triangle and just leave her in it, til the timer expired. Im a horny horny son-of-a-crackwhore.
While I think that's awful
I see this kind of thing a lot. Which is why I think it’s cool for girls to refuse to roll with guys if they want.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
However, its right there. And the girls are pretty banging and its not like Im grabbing her snatch or anything. Just having body-on-body is nice. i dont get hard Ons, but Yeah I basically manhandled all girls I have rolled with.
This is really the only valid argument in this discussion
If it’s ok for a girl to not want to roll with a dude because it makes her uncomfortable than that right should be afforded to everyone.
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by Chris Hall on Aug 19, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Precisely.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
People are just to fucking sensitive. I guess big nog’s comment wont be “okay” til theres a live raping while rolling and some gym.
If Big Nog gets live raped in a gym
I guess we’ll know who has the better Jiu Jitsu …
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by KJ Gould on Aug 19, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
WTF? That's retarded
And has absolutely not bearing on this conversation
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Ooof.
I said it before – in my very brief experience, this attitude is pretty common amongst fighters/BJJers. Hell, I bet this attitude is still common amongst athletes in general.
Unfortunate; and I am staying away from this one.
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Like Brent said: These guys aren't heroes.
That being said, it is disappointing. It’s like finding out a buddy is gay and then all of a sudden fearing, “OMG! I wonder if he thought about me that way…” The only thing you can really say is, get over yourself. Nog needs to know that if a gay guy has “that malice of having physical contact with me, of staying there grappling,” he’s dealing with a pervert and potential sexual predator, which has nothing to do with the fact that the guy is gay. Nothing.
No hypocrisy
I agree with Minotauro. I have gay friends and I really don’t care about it but train with them wouldn’t be a great idea.
Minotauro said the obvious. NO HYPOCRISY!
don't stop liking him for this, that'd be silly...
different country, different culture…most women I know would feel uncomfortable rolling with a man, even if he was a fucking eunuch.
by Gisele Federico Navarro Mendez on Aug 19, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Much ado about nothing
If he isn’t comfortable rolling with someone who could potentially be there just to feel mis man muscles I have no issue with it.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
I think if you’re unwilling to admit that there is a chance that someone would be excited to roll with Hottie McHottass, regardless of it they are male or female, you’re probably being willfully naive as to human nature. Now sure, some people might be moral paragons who don’t feel like that, but I sure don’t know any.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Silly
I would SUGGEST that someone going to go to a gym to work out and obtain fighting skills is not there to get his/her rocks off. Likewise, if you go to a club your aren’t looking to learn how to defend against a gogoplata.
Believe it or not, people can actually manage to compartmentalize.
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Some can
some can’t. But again, I think you’re being willfully naive as to how many people behave.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well being gay in Brazil has different conotations
HIV is rampant there and really you cant expect the tolerance we have in western society to be the same everywhere else so I respect his decision tho I dont agree with it.
True
but it’s less of an epidemic, at least last I checked.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
FROM ROLLING JIU JITSU WITH GAY MEN? THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE MINDED OF YOU MICHAEL.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 19, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sure but it impacts the gay male community alot more
For whatever reason the stigma between being gay and HIV is still alive.
If that's he case
Rolling with Africans would also be on that list, no?
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by spudsucker on Aug 19, 2011 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
And anyone with a tattoo...
Let;s go down the whole red Cross blood donation list, shall we?
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whatever reason?
It’s because contraction rates are higher with unprotected anal sex. And not many girls are, you know, into that.
by aptar on Aug 19, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's a valid concern for Nog,
considering that his immune system ain’t so hot on fighting Staph anyways.
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by pdl on Aug 19, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Refresh our memories on the ways straight guys get HIV from a woman, please.
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by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 19, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
What is Sex? I’ll take gay stereotypes for 300 Alex.
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by Avap on Aug 19, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Get educated on HIV transmission risks.
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by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 19, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
To be clear
Which of the following are you claiming?
1) Men cannot get HIV from sex with a woman.
2) Female to male transmission rates are lower than other transmission rates, they still exist.
3) I am joking.
4) Something else.
If you are saying (1), you are wrong. If you are saying (2), then I answered your question in the form of a question. If you are saying (3), well played. If you are saying (4), please try and be clear.
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Holy fucking shit. I can't believe it but
He’s actually pretty correct.
Question
The probability of transmission from woman to man is significantly lower than vice versa? I heard that man’s genital organ is covered with regular skin except urethral opening which is made of mucuous membrane, in consequense, it is very hard to catch AIDS for man even during unprotected sex. Can you explain more about this in biological aspect?
Answer
You are correct. According to results from the Northern California Partner’s Study, published last year, (Padian, NS, Shiboski, SC, Glass, SO, Vittinghoff, E. Heterosexual transmission of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) in northern California: Results from a ten-year study. American Journal of Epidemiology. 1997; 146(4): 350-57.)
Male-to-female transmission was approximately eight-times more efficient than female-to-male transmission and male-to-female per contact infectivity was estimated to be 0.0009 (95% C 0.0005-0.001).
http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/insite?page=ask-01-01-23
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This is from when that German chick was charged with attempted grievous bodily harm for infecting multiple partners. Medical professors at both Duke and Johns Hopkins challenge the legitimacy of the great disparity in transmission (some say 2-1, some say equal, some go with your 8-1). The gist is we don’t know for sure.
http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/18/whats-the-probability-of-hiv-transmission/
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And as an aside
Scabby Knuckles is 100% wrong if he is trying to dispute the fact that straight guys get the virus from women, which he would have to do in order to dispute the following statement on grounds of sexual transmission:
Straight guys get HIV too.
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So I can fuck whatever HIVvy skanks I want
And be relatively safe. Thanks Filt!
The more you know!
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If my math is correct
You’d have to bang thousands of women raw dog to have legit chance at getting HIV from vaginal sex(looking at you Magic).
Of course, he goes on to say that the risk is much greater if she has herpes. So watch out for open sores.
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I knew there might be some good jokes in between the awkwardness
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Glad someone has a sense of humor about this :)
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the guaranteed humor
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 19, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We see the obvious phallic joke for needle right?
And I don’t have to make it?
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LOL
NEVER SHARED
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 19, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, great example. A straight guy gets HIV by sharing a needle with a woman. That’s very relevant to Nog’s concerns or to the “straight guys get HIV, too” comment.
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by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 19, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole point is that you aren’t passing HIV when you’re grappling, gay man or not, so bringing up “OMG GAY AIDS EPIDEMIC” isn’t a valid point.
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you cant expect the tolerance we have in western society to be the same everywhere
Sorry, that’s just not good enough. We are all human beings with the same capacities for logic, reason, and tolerance. Your assertion could be used to justify ANY kind of bigotry and intolerance.
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I don’t actually have any statistics on it, but if HIV is rampant in Brazil, that’s not the public perception of the issue. (Which actually may be a problem now that I think about it.) One way or the other it’s not really a factor in regards to Minotauro’s statement.
Brazil is also part of the western hemisphere, by the way, and we consider ourselves part of the western world, even if you don’t.
That was ridiculous post
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Are you living in the year 2000? To say HIV is rampant in Brazil is an outdated, generalized statement. Brazil has become a model of how to deal with the HIV/AIDS epidemic.
by memitim on Aug 19, 2011 7:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
1. If Big Nog unknowingly rolls with a gay person from now on and injures their arm via Arm Bar, is that a hate crime?
Subquestion: Will Nog be going for triangles less in his gym?
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1) Yes
2) No… it’s his little secret.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I may be acting bigoted here, idk
But I think there’s a difference bewtween saying “I dont like gay people, I don’t want them in the sport, I don’t want them around me or my kids, I hate them”
And saying
I really would prefer not to be rolling around on the floor, bare chested, with my body between the legs of a homosexual, unless I had to in competition. Which is kinda the same thing as what he said…I guess. Giving mad benefit of the doubt to that guy
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by warren305 on Aug 19, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 11 recs
I agree
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
But why does being gay change things? He has no problems rolling with another dude. So the guy being gay changes things? I don’t see how this can’t be construed as some sort of discrimination. Most people who hate aren’t gonna come out and directly say, “I hate (insert group here),” you know?
It is discrimination
Absolutely, it is. If Sonnen said this, I prob wouldn’t even consider his perspective and call him a homophobe.
But in reality, my reality i guess, I just would feel comfortable. I would tell a guy like me to, “get over yourself, if that guy wants to cop a feel then he’s a sexual predator and a pervert, not all homosexuals are sexual predators anymore than hetero’s are”
But still. Really rolling and wrestling are both already pretty uncomfortable. Its a lot of male to male contact. If i knew the guy was gay..it’d just make it that much more uncomfortable
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by warren305 on Aug 19, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I understand what you're trying to say.
And I’m definitely not saying you’re a homophobe or whatever. It’s hard to articulate a gray area like that. To be honest, I thought I was 100% okay with homosexual men. Up until I went to a house party one time that my friend was throwing. She had a gay roommate, so half the people there were gay. I felt incredibly uncomfortable. But that was nearly ten years ago. I’m fine with it now. the point is, we’re all going to come across somebody or some group of people at one point in our lives that we’re not 100% comfortable with. That’s life. The important part is that we keep working to get over it, or we focus on what makes us the same, not different. It’s really all anyone can ask of another person; to try to understand their position.
Thank you
I think a lot of people on here taking the high horse approach are really speaking theory and not reality. Sure the right thing to say or do is say, “I have no problem with anyone doing anything because we’re all the same”
But ask a woman if she’s more comfortable having a male or female give them a Brazillian wax.? Or if you’ve ever had a message, are you more or less comfortable having a male or female give you a message?
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There's a difference
But only in the way the prejudice is expressed. It’s still prejudice.
by gzl5000 on Aug 19, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, that's bigotted.
It suggests that people who don’t share YOUR desires are automatically unable to control their desires.
It also smacks of the old “I don’t hate black people, but I don’t want to swim in the same pool.”
You can’t have your cake and eat it too. If you don’t like gay people, just say it. Don’t do this “half-way” BS where you can hedge your bets that someone at the bar will think you’re a cool guy.
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by jackbox on Aug 19, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well Jack I appreciate your black and white view of the world
But I don’t dislike gay people. But I don’t want to have a bunch of physical contact with one. You can box that into whatever category you want, but that doesn’t make it true.
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by warren305 on Aug 19, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Can't have your prejudice and deny it too.
You’re uncomfortable having a person that’s gay touch you? Yeah, that qualifies as disliking gay people in my eyes.
by gzl5000 on Aug 19, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm uncomfortable having straight guys touch me buddy
I’m uncomfortable having women I’m not attracted to touch me. Shaking hands, bro hug, hi fives are not what we are talking about, bc I have no problem having anyone doing that.
Putting arms around shoulders, prolonged contact, yeah anyone but my girlfriend and its uncomfortable.
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Yes, but Nog has committed his life to it
You don’t like people touching you. Nog has rolled around with hundreds of sweaty dudes. Not applicable.
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I take issue with being called prejudice
I personally think you people are talking theory, not reality.
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Seriously
It’s amazing how many people get their panties in a bunch over this.
I don’t dislike gay people either. I have been roommates with a gay friend for 2 years back in college. Hung out with him and his boyfriends. Totally cool.
But the thought of wrestling/jj with a gay person makes me uncomfortable. Perhaps it is irrational; then again humans are not rational. It’s amazing how folks in this thread are doing their best to show how tolerant they are of gay people, and at the same time are grossly intolerant of people who, for whatever reason, don’t feel comfortable rolling with a gay person.
There is a clear difference
And one’s better than the other.
But yours implies certain implications that are connected with homophobia. You aren’t bigoted, and you aren’t homophobic. But a society that feels this way has certain inherit problems.
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a guy once tried grabbing my dick in a restroom and another one actually did get to grab my little brother's not so long ago...
that alone would keep me from feeling totally comfortable having to do any sort of grappling with a homosexual I don’t know. If I knew the guy, and I knew he’s not an asshole, I wouldn’t have a problem…I might be a cave man, but sometimes it is what it is….or you feel comfortable or you don’t. And let’s not forget that most americans have been more in touch with the gay culture than Brazilian fellows (or from any other place in South America for the matter) have… don’t be so fucking quick to judge
by Gisele Federico Navarro Mendez on Aug 19, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF????
That’s fucking terrible dude
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yeah, and it was in the middle of a fucking avenue...
(and my brother is 18 and only 5’8’’ and 110 pound so it was pretty fucking scary for him)
by Gisele Federico Navarro Mendez on Aug 19, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope that dude dies a slow and painful death
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There's a difference
It’s the difference between overt and covert homophobia.
Just like calling somebody an N-bomb is different from saying “I have no problem with black people, but I just don’t believe in interracial dating.” One is overt racism and one is covert.
In a lot of cases, covert prejudice can be more insidious because it’s more difficult to confront.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 19, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please
Have an honest answer about everyone who explained why it’s not about homophobia but personal feelings regarding sexual attractivness between human beings.
There’s a lot of posts (some ar green), I think it would be very interessting.
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Just like calling somebody an N-bomb is different from saying "I have no problem with black people, but I just don’t believe in interracial dating." One is overt racism and one is covert.
So what if I said, I have no problem with black people, I’m just not attracted to them and I wouldn’t date them. Am I a bigot? Or is it just my personal preference? Where do you draw the line? When are you a bigot? According to a lot of these posts you can’t have a preference outside of the PC choice and not be a bigot.
by Shatto1 on Aug 19, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So what if I said, I have no problem with black people, I’m just not attracted to them and I wouldn’t date them. Am I a bigot?
Yes. Taking one group that you can’t possibly generalize a trait for and projecting it across all of those people is, by definition, prejudice. Pre-judging.
You could say you’ve never been attracted to black girl, but unless you’ve seen every black girl on earth, you couldn’t say you’re not attracted to any black girls without indulging in prejudice.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 19, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Earth" should be capped
Apologies.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 19, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
So I'm being prejudiced if i say I'm not attracted to cows?
Cause you know, I haven’t seen ALL of them.
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by chasethegoose on Aug 21, 2011 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you fundamentalist "Christians" ever get tired of equating homosexuality to beastiality?
Because you know that’s the definition of “dehumanizing,” right?
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 21, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not from the US.
Attitudes towards homosexuality are mostly unchanged outside of the politically correct US of A.
Outside the 1st world*
There is a difference.
That’s the most stupid thing I’ve read all fucking month.
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by spectaa on Aug 19, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
It’s true though.
In the States the fighters would lie through clenched teeth and say “it’s all ok” then drop faggot this faggot that off camera. At least in the “third world” there’s some honesty.
You do know all countries outside the US aren’t third world countries right? I kinda feel like I’m being trolled and I don’t like it…
"Don't worry about a thang...I got this"
that's not what he implied...
but Brazil, even when it’s a country that’s been doing pretty good lately, has not had that much influence from the gay community… people is not that open minded about certain things…and if you heard Vitor in any of his recent anti porn interviews you’d get that.
by Gisele Federico Navarro Mendez on Aug 19, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Just labeling something Politcally Correct isn't enough
It’s just a substitute for thinking.
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Attitudes towards homosexuality are most definitely not “unchanged” in Brazil and, from personal experience, Argentina, to name just two of those “other” countries you’re talking about. I don’t know what’s the basis of your opinion, but it’s just plain wrong.
What he said is still considered reprehensible in Brazil, even if not as much as in the US and even if not by as large a portion of the population. Violence against homosexuals in Brazil is rare than in the US, for what that’s worth and São Paulo city has the largest gay pride parade in the world annually.
That doesn't mean we have to accept them when they wash up on our shores.
We can point out how out of line and backwards they are and then move on. And choose not to spend our dollars on Minotauro t-shirts going forward.
Invisible hand of the market. Right?
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 19, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
A shame he would think that way.
I had been training BJJ for a few weeks when I mentioned something about rolling with one of the girls that day. My wife really didn’t like the idea of that. She didn’t tell me not to do it, but was obviously uncomfortable. No matter how much I told her it was nothing it still bothered her. So I made her come to a class and watch me roll. After open mat was over I had rolled with a couple of girls. My wife was embarrassed for having been evenly mildly uncomfortable. She realized, just like I tried to tell her, there is NOTHING untoward/sexual about rolling with someone of the opposite sex (or orientation).
What if one of the girls had the hots for you?
Would that change the equation?
I’ll bet your wife would be less understanding then. I do understand this from both sides. If he is being paid to fight someone then he is willing to do so regardless of sexuality. If he is daily training with someone he would prefer not to face the issue.
I get that.
See Jackbox's comment below. It is better than mine.
But to kinda touch on what you are saying, I never had any feeling of attraction when rolling nor was the feeling the other way around. Yes, several of the women at the gym are extremely attractive. No one could look at them and deny that. But when rolling it is just another body. Male or female is irrelevant.
If all Minotauro had said was he refused to roll with people attracted to him we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Okay
but since he is attracted to women their affections wouldn’t necessarily be unwanted. So I think the distinction is merited.
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2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
My wife (then girlfriend) saw me roll with women on a number of occasions
Sometimes instructional, sometimes live free rolling.
She appreciated that I treated them like equals and gave them the respect due another student at the school. If I didn’t have that attitude in all aspects of my life, she wouldn’t have wanted to marry me, much less have a daughter with me.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 19, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
My wife (then girlfriend) saw me roll with women on a number of occasions
Sometimes instructional, sometimes live free rolling.
She appreciated that I treated them like equals and gave them the respect due another student at the school. If I didn’t have that attitude in all aspects of my life, she wouldn’t have wanted to marry me, much less have a daughter with me.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 19, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s definitely a “Big Nog” joke here somewhere, but I’m much too sophisticated to make it.
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by SentientAndroid on Aug 19, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is dumb....
All the guy is saying is he doesnt want to rolling around in minimal clothing, with a guy who could be attracted to him. It would make him uncomfortable. Whats the big deal. People are way too sensitive these days.
by Wormwood on Aug 19, 2011 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
People are way too sensitive these days.
Like Big Nog, for example.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 19, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
haha
ur a sharp shooter!
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
Hey, here's an idea
Instead of my “getting over” his being prejudiced, how about he get over his prejudice?
Just skip the middle man, right?
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 19, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Just out of curiousity....
Is this perhaps because of where he lives. I know that here in America, the general consensus I get is that most people don’t feel this way. Is it that way in Brazil? I honestly don’t know and would like some insight from someone from there….
I am a democrat and I dont wanna roll around with a gay dude
by Wormwood on Aug 19, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was just pointing out the extreme liberal feelings we have here... that's all.
I don’t blame you, or Nogeuira for that matter. That’s probably why I’m trying to find a way to excuse his comments…
so many comments, like yours
no, his way of thinking does it not “normal” or “PC” behavior in “third world country status” Brazil… much like the garbage Sonnen says, I don’t usually think it’s “normal” behavior for Americans…
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That's why I asked. I don't appreciate being lumped in with the people that called Brazil 3rd world either. I never said that.
Regardless, you don’t have to be from a 3rd world country to have differing opinions on social issues. It is a widely accepted principle of the Republican party to be against gay marriage and they are far from 3rd world. I was just asking what the opinion of the average Brazilian is on this particular social issue. My knowledge of Brazil is limited to Blanka from Streetfighter.
Wait you're not trying to say
that Blanka isn’t an accurate representation of Brazillian life and sub-culture, are you. Because I cannot and will not believe that.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That explains sooo much
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fair enough you did ask
I just read so many comments that would make that implication, I should have just replied to those instead :p
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
As of 2011 the Brazillian Supreme Court accepts gay marriage as legitimate.
Make of that what you will.
Big Nog, I am disappoint.
Also, what is it with straight guys saying they’re uncomfortable around gays because the gay guy might be attracted to them? You aren’t that hot, Mr Nog.
TRANSLATION: "I don't hate gays... BUTTTTT"
What it suggests is that a gay guy pays big money to train with an elite team JUST so he can get off. Which suggests a) Gays can’t compartmentalize their sexual desires and their athletic goals, and b) Gay guys are SOOOO predatory they simply MUST roll around on the floor with one of the biggest MMA stars of all time.
Look, when I watch WMMA two (count ‘em, TWO) things go through my head: 1. "Wow she’s super talented and athletic, AND 2. “Wow, she’s got a sexy bod.” Surprisingly, I can actually set those two feelings apart from each other without ANY conflict.
Nog’s sentiments are an absurd throwback to a a time that needs to be buried and never dug up again.
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by jackbox on Aug 19, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
I agree BJJ is gay
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by Jiguyg Fjhj on Aug 19, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Read this line in an article about racist chants at a soccer game earlier today
“All that means is you’re a bigot and a hypocrite.”
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I think you guys are being incredibly naive and not in line with reality
Do you have a preference in doctors? Male or female? What about a masseuse? Ask a female if she wants a male giving her a vaginal wax. Or if she would prefer a male or female gyno?
This perspective that anyone who has preferences in life, is automatically attributed to some form of hatred is obtuse, juvenile and it smacks of (I just learned this in college).
Not everything in life fits into the little boxes they teach you in school. There are gray areas, and this one is in no way comparable with racism. Hatred and preference are not the same thing.
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by warren305 on Aug 19, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Your analogies are not analogous. Training is not a sexual activity.
Preferences are indeed often indicative of underlying bigotry. For example, preference for one skin color over another is prejudicial.
gynecology isn’t a sexual activity.
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It sure as hell involves genitals.
If your training does too, you’re doing it wrong.
by gzl5000 on Aug 19, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So a woman not wanting a male gynocologist is indicative of man hating?
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by warren305 on Aug 19, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
CLEARLY!
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Gynecology = detailed examination of a woman’s genitals.
BJJ rolling = wrestling with submissions.
If your training involves any part of you or training equipment inside any of your partner’s orifices, you’re doing it wrong.
If you use that method
you could claim anything isn’t analogous. The Gyno analogy clearly IS analogous. They are both non-sexual activities that can involve someone who is sexually attracted to you touching you in places that would typically be sexual.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
But
most vaginas are ugly to look at. This is where your analogy fails.
But seriously, most guys make an effort to not grab or even touch your ass or genitals while rolling. Ever.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
"most vaginas are ugly to look at."........Really?
I dont know what your smoking but I sure enjoy looking at them. I’d say the way the porn industry is booming I am in the vast majority.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
Those ain't your average vaginas, bro
This chick has to see a gyno too
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
BAHAHA
Yes but many are nice to look at just not that particular monster of a camel toe
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
Big girls need lovin too, bro
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For every hot twat I'd like to see
there’s at least 50 hairy, flappy, fat, wrinkly old vaginas I’d rather not inspect up close or even see at all.
Parting thoughts for this discussion:
Imagine an overweight homeless woman’s vagina. Not the smell, that taste.
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Dear god you are nasty
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
So you've never done BJJ then
That must be your point. I really have no idea what you’re trying to say. My point, however, is that people have preferences when it comes to certain things in life, implying that this is due to hatred, in naive.
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by warren305 on Aug 19, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, I have done BJJ. It’s not sexual, it doesn’t involve genitals.
Does it occur to you that denying the possibility of preferences reflecting hated is also naive?
Painting gray area issues with broad strokes is so obtuse
I really don’t know what more to say to you, as it is obvious you have some agenda. I’m all for equality for all races religions and gender preferences, so implying that I have some prejudice or fear of gay is not only insulting but its also juvenile.
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My agenda goes no further than bigotry is bullshit. And equality is not refusing to train with a person simply because of their orientation.
I agree with that
What I don’t agree with is you calling me prejudice because I said it would make me feel uncomfortable. I never said it was right, or that I would also refuse to do so. Actually Nog never even said he would refuse, he said he’d prefer not to:
I would have no problems having a gay student in my academy, but I would rather not train with him
You made a personal attack on me for expressing my preference as well, which is no better than any bigot’s irrational hatred.
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Does it get lonely on that high horse of yours
You want understanding, tolerance and compassion, try it on for yourself. Dr. Martin Luther King taught us that. Ignorance begets ignorance. And if you think all people that aren’t as liberal as you are inherantly evil, then you are just like the bigots you profess to abhor. You may not have a problem with prolonged contact with men, I do. Nog may be ignorant, or unevolved or not very liberal with his choices in life, but that doesn’t make someone a bigot, it make them ignorant. You overcome ignorance through education. You can’t educate someone if you hate them
Ignorance begets ignorance.
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Nope.
And I never said anything about being inherently evil. One of the most important realizations I ever made was that drawing distinctions between bigots and non-bigots makes it easier to be blind to your own bigotry. Big Nog does indeed have bigoted beliefs towards gay people, as far as I can tell from his statements above, and they indicate to me that he would act like a homophobe.
I know that because I am a potential homophobe. And at times have been a homophobe. Recognizing your own intolerance or potential intolerance doesn’t mean you stop calling it out when you see it. And here’s an important point: MLK Jr. wouldn’t have been half as successful without the existence of Malcom X. I’m interested in education, but I’m more interested in people realizing that the problem exists. Look at the defensiveness of half the people in this thread against even acknowledging that Nog’s comments might possibly betray some underlying bias or bigotry and I think you’ll understand why I’m not interested in educating on this threat right now.
If your training involves any part of you or training equipment inside any of your partner’s orifices, you’re doing it wrong.
Derailing a serious discussion, but thanks for the new line in my sig.
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by Underhand Left on Aug 19, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because he is not comfortable with that much physical contact with a gay guy
Doesn’t mean he is homophobic or a bad guy. Some people have problems with physical contact with other guys and even women. Give the guy a break, it’s being brought into the spotlight and made a big deal, but it really isn’t.
by RashadsLeftNipple on Aug 19, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because he is not comfortable with that much physical contact with a gay guy Doesn’t mean he is homophobic
That is most definitely homophobic. Practically the definition of homophobic.
by Worldisart on Aug 19, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Best post on the thread by far.
Really an unnecessary comment from Nog or other Staff members at on this site.
Sexual orientation shouldn’t matter when the focus is on training. All it does is indicate that homophobia is present in their minds.
What it suggests is that a gay guy pays big money to train with an elite team JUST so he can get off.
No it doesn’t.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If you are born in Brazil
You can’t run for Republican office, right? Because he’d fit right in.
by aptar on Aug 19, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yep
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
they actually don't let dudes work out at Curves?
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 19, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would you want to workout at Curves?
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 19, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
the chinese restaurant of preference in my town is next to a Curves
and a nice amount of them are kind of milfy
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 19, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I mean their equipment is awesome and the free weigh section is second to none.
.....
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by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 19, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This reminds me of the episode of Friends where Joey and Ross take a nap together…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeXKrGRQ3Y8
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I imagine this stance is incredibly prevalent
And it does mark some improvement considering he said he would have no problem having a gay student at his school (I guess).
But it’s awful. And I hope it dies some day.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 19, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You hope what dies? Being uncomfortable rolling around with someone who might have sexual desires for you?
by Wormwood on Aug 19, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That mind set yes
That you absolutely refuse to roll with somebody that is homosexual because you think that they may be insidiously trying to touch your man parts. Yes I hope that dies.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 19, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why would you be comfortable with any of that? Its called sexual harrassment
by Wormwood on Aug 19, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because
When you believe that you think THAT GAY PEOPLE ARE JUST WAITING FOR A CHANCE TO GRAB YOUR DENNIS HALLMANS. And if you don’t see how that’s problematic it’s on you.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 19, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
You are missing the point man, completely. We dont think “OMG every gay man wants to have sex with me.” it just that its a possibility that this one might, and that situation would be uncomfortable
by Wormwood on Aug 19, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And that's an assumption that should die
Because it’s absolute fucking bullshit.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 19, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
But its ok for Women to have that assumption about men, or should I be able to change clothes in the women’s dressing room at the gym?
So you'd be uncomfortable with a gay man in the male dressing room?
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by sun yue on Aug 19, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If there are stalls then no problem. But If a person has a sexual interest for penises, they should not be allowed where they are freely displayed by innocent bystanders
So homosexuals should have their own bathrooms?
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'Cause Separate But Equal worked out SOOOO well in the U.S. when tried...
Bet teh Gay bathrooms will only have cold water faucets and get cleaned 1/2 the time…
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I'm not proposing that gay people should be excluded from bathrooms
It was just a question to wormwood since s/he seems to think a gay male in a male bathroom would be a threat to heterosexual males.
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I was agreeing with you, and talking it to its logical yet absurd conclusion
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So gay men can't use trough urinals at stadiums?
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Would you let your 12 yo daughter take a piss in front of a bunch of construction workers?
by Wormwood on Aug 19, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was for shorter lines.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 19, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
So you are saying homosexuals should use a different bathroom?
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And water fountains!
BACK OF THE BUS!
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 19, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I am saying that standards for sexual situations mainly protect women. You cant cater to one group and not the other. Make them all unisex
Wait, but earlier you said homosexuals
shouldn’t be allowed to use the same bathrooms as heterosexual men because it endangers straight men.
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That’s an outdated concept anyway. It wouldn’t shock me if in a couple decades our bathrooms were unisex.
Maybe not all
but I’ve read that they becoming required in many places.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
never heard of it...
where did you read that?
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Im looking around
but here’s similar info regarding Thailand: http://www.crossdresserheaven.com/transgendered-bathrooms-hit-thailand-schools/
I’ve read in the past the Brazil has been having similar(but less extreme) pushes toward requiring transgender restrooms.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
thanks for the info
but noticed that’s Rio only.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
What about oral sex?
Water fountains?
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 19, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The gays might be peaking from the urinals BAN THEM TO THE LADIES ROOM
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I wouldn't
but I would have an issue if they wanted to give me a massage.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
Why is it an absurd assumption that a gay man might be attracted to Nog?
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
But but they're gay and I have a penis! He'll try to have sex with me!
Sigh
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I do get a little weird rolling with females sometimes...
Usually they are smokin’ hot though and I’m afraid I might offend them if I take the rear naked choke literally
then
you might be missing opportunities to learn, both in rolling and in overcoming the discomfort created by your own desire, which stops you from learning… which stops you from rolling etc. etc. etc. etc. break the cycle
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It would have been insulting to them to turn the match down once we were matched up. I was never aroused and neither were they.
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Yes
Because it was a wrestling match. People don’t get aroused during wrestling matches. So I don’t blame them.
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by MarcoDos on Aug 19, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You can get "boner time" if you're wrestling a girl, right?
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 19, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you be uncomfortable rolling with an unattractive female?
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well if she's rolling with you
then yes… clearly
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Let's say she's Cyborg
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It won't die
Because there is absolutly nothing wrong with that feeling. Same goes with rolling with women.
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He NEVER should have answered a question like that
if he feels this way. These kind of remarks can really hurt a fighter. It’s very unfortunate
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Maybe in ‘murica. But maybe it’s ok in Brasil. Different countries have different views on things. Like the Chinese beating down the Georgetown Hoyas. They’re TOTALLY OK with it over there (theres also the possibility of another reason but this ain’t the place)
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by Krimson on Aug 19, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he just doesn't want some gay dude finding out why he's called "big nog"
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by Bonedoctor on Aug 19, 2011 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
It's because he's renowned for his "anaconda choke".
by M.Sphinx on Aug 19, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's more understandable
Environment matters. If you were raised in a culture where any hint of homosexuality destroys your masculinity, this type of thinking is a natural consequence. If you were raised in a superliberal part of the United States and you think this way, there’s something the fuck wrong with you.
Big Nog isn’t some poor kid living in the favelas. He is wealthy and well-travelled. He should educate himself on how the world actually works, shed his cultural bias, and get the fuck rid of his homophobia.
by Magaca on Aug 19, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s not easy to get rid of your upbringing and culture. You can’t just logic it away just like that.
by crazybones on Aug 19, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
don't be an asshole
You actually can
That’s not the point. The point is it’s difficult. People to this day give any credence to what Mike Vick says about his upbringing, despite their being tones of truth to it.
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 19, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
*don't give
**tons
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 19, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said that it was easy. The right thing often is difficult. Unfortunately, I don’t know who Mike Vick is.
Footballer who went to jail for dogfighting. And while his crimes were obviously heinous, some dense people refuse to understand “how he could do such a thing” when they very likely were far removed from the environs that very much shaped his character.
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by Anthony Pace on Aug 19, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
well said Sir
I never said that it was easy
this is the spirit of a fighter surely?
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
Even assuming that you are correct,
Saying that you “can’t blame him” is a major stretch.
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by Captain Leroy Hotdog Zanzibar on Aug 19, 2011 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Jeez, Nog.
“I have no prejudice against Brazilians, but I wouldn’t train with someone who’s Brazilian. I have no malice, I don’t take our physical contact as (something) cultural. But what if the Brazilian person has that malice of having cultural contact with me, of staying there grappling? I would have no problems having a Brazilian student in my academy, but I would rather not train with him. I mean, what if he started speaking Portugese or something?”
by gzl5000 on Aug 19, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 11 recs
The irony is that it suddenly sounds like something Chael would say…
Actually, the original quote is also something Chael would say…
by Damnatio Memoriae on Aug 19, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't hate sweaty guys...but I prefer not to roll with them.
I don’t hate fat guys…but I prefer not to roll with them.
I don’t hate guys with A LOT of acne…but I prefer not to roll with them.
I don’t hate guys with body odor…but I prefer not to roll with them.
I have rolled, on many occasions, with men (and on one occasion a particularly moist female insert thats what she said) on several occasions, but I simply prefer not too.
As long as the gay man in question does not fall into one of these categories, I would gladly roll with him.
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by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 19, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions
To me
it’s kinda similar to how a few of my asian friends would tell me about how they absolutely couldn’t date outside their race. To this day I’m really cool with one of my asian friends (female) knowing full well that her parents would PREFER her to NOT date me. It is what it is, people have theire preferences, no big deal. Though, It’d be completely different if I heard her mom say some shit like “Fuck no! You’re not about to date a damn enwurd and bring a damn chocolatey-banana baby in my house!!!”
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by SentientAndroid on Aug 19, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions
It’s the whole generalization thing. Like everyone is put into a category. According to my friend, I’m supposed to fiery and inconsistent because I’m black and latino. It’s the label thing is what bugs people
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by SentientAndroid on Aug 19, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Its the johnson
They’re afraid words gonna spread and all the hot asian chicks will jump ship.
Well, its too late. The word is out and so are my balls.
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by TheFilt on Aug 19, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL!
cut it out man haha!
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by SentientAndroid on Aug 19, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
True story
I used to hang out with my asian friends a lot a few years ago (not so much anymore) and there was this one girl who was absolutely fucking gorgeous! She looked like a mix of an asian with a hint of blackness, idk but the chick was gorgeous…she wanted my friend lol, but anyways a few of the asian guys would tell me that they’d NEVER fuck with her. I was curious as to why and their reason was that she had already began to date black guys. I was like “and? so what?” and they’d respond with something like “dude, black guys. Come on man you know we can’t compete with yall!” Cool ass people man, and money like a mofo!
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by SentientAndroid on Aug 19, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Some guys have serious complexes about that
a lot of guys actually.
The whole “You fucked a black guy!” thing. Not too many flat out admit it but I think its an inferiority complex playing itself out.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Idk, they were cool and joking around about it…but dead ass serious at the same time, hmm. The chick is/was one of the baddest chicks that I’ve ever met in person.
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by SentientAndroid on Aug 19, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't see anything wrong with what he said
I wouldn’t roll with a homosexual, don’t agree with homosexuality at all, i think everyone accepting it is wrong, people have different views on things, that’s just the way it is
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by antone04 on Aug 19, 2011 4:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Its not even about that.
It’s just about a guy who doesn’t feel confortable rolling with homosexual men or female.
Nothing else.
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by PlutoCps on Aug 19, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
people have different views on things, that’s just the way it is
And some of us have the view that your view is bigoted.
We’re not going to come to your house with a gun and make you change it. You say (in my mind) stupid shit like “I think everyone accepting it is wrong,” I say (in your mind stupid shit) like “You’re a bigot.”
History’s curve continues. Eventually, society makes its decision. And then we all move on. But Big Nog doesn’t get to say this shit in a vacuum, without a response from fans.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 19, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The guy has a personal preference, big deal, don't we all?
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My personal preference is that views like this weren't prevalent in the sport I love.
So yeah, I guess we all do.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 19, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s bigoted and prejudiced, no doubt about it. He’s saying: “I’ll treat you differently because of your sexuality.”
As prejudices go, it isn’t nearly as bad as many others. He didn’t say he hates gays, or would beat them up or just wishes they’d go away, which would be hateful, but less wrong isn’t right. I’m more disappointed with Minotauro’s, who’s always been one of my favorites, than I’m angry. It could be much, much worse, but it’s still bad.
but, but, but, it’s a cultural thing!
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not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I'm Brazillian too, Tom...
There must be a way to make clear to other people that:
a) Brazillian culture is not like this and
b) even if it were, it shouldn’t make a difference.
I know, that's why I assumed you'd share my frustration
too many ignorant comments regarding our country, makes my head spin :p
good thing we have many Brazilians here!
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Listen homey
Everyone gets treated differently by everyone else all the time because of color, creed, culture , etc. The best we can do is just to try not to be dicks about it, because you know what? We’re NOT all the same. It’s like saying ‘Scotish people sunburn easily’ is prejudiced or bigoted, when it’s mostly just the truth.
We can’t logically treat everyone with the same policies because we are all different. Japanese kids are better at math than American kids at math. It’s a fact. Accept it. Should the American kids get the same opportunity to be designing the next critical component of a space shuttle that the Japanese kids do? No they should not, because the Japanese kids are way smarter in maths and sciences. These types of things may change in time, but a lot of stuff wont.
Scottish people will likely always sunburn easily, until we fuck so much we’re all the same color mauve or whatever. Embrace the fact that we are all different and we bring different things to the table. Some guys are A-OK rolling with gay guys, some aren’t. Some guys are A-OK rolling with chicks, some aren’t. So long as they are not going out of their way to be assholes, let it be. There are plenty of places for gay dudes to go and roll in the interim, and if one day there’s a “gays only” jits gym; I’m sure the straight community isn’t going to be all up in arms over it.
Like my neighbors just moved from a 3rd world country and they have a big family, they hand their laundry out to dry all the time and it blocks my view of the sunset. I would rather they not do that, but that’s just my opinion. I know it’s not a feasible option for them to dry everything in the dryer, so I accept the fact that they come from a different culture and may not have the money to do it the way I do. Instead I go to their front lawn and chill with them so I can see my view of the sunset. It’s more comfortable for me to do it from my own back lawn, but to co-exist happily I just accept that that’s the way things are going to be. I maintain my opinion, whilst also not trying to be a dick.
Foolishness
Should the American kids get the same opportunity to be designing the next critical component of a space shuttle that the Japanese kids do?
If you are looking to hire someone to design a space shuttle component, you should look at that individual’s skills and qualifications not at how well the average person from that individual’s country does on tests. “You are a great candidate Mr. Johnson, and you scored the highest on our application tests, but unfortunately on average students from Mr. Tanaka’s country score higher than American students so we went with him instead.”
by FightingFighting on Aug 19, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
When you put it in that context. I guess more what I was aiming for is this: If I’m going to start a research and development firm that relies heavily on mathematics and science to complete said space shuttle project; I’m better off starting in Japan when looking for talent, rather than America. That being said, some of the most ingenious and innovative engineers in history have been from America, so credit where credit is due. I’ve got love for both Mr. Johnson and Mr. Tanaka because it’s quite obvious they are both talented regardless of their country of origin ;)
Not a big deal at all
Just someone not confrontationally expressing their beliefs without putting someone else down.
The world has weird stigmas revolving opinions about gender/sexual orientation equality. If you’re not comfortable, it’s okay. It’s the same as a girl feeling uncomfortable rolling with guys. Most of them don’t have the luxury to make that choice because the female pool for bjj players is limited, but I wouldn’t doubt some women feel uncomfortable. I see no difference with this.
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by Austin Martin on Aug 19, 2011 4:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Mr. Schaub,
You know what to do. If hope this bigot gets KTFO.
for all you know Schaub could feel the same way, maybe even worse. The only difference is no one has asked him an awkward question trying to start shit.
People seem to get so high and mighty in articles like this, kinda annoying. Is this really a big deal? Where was the article talking about how he refuses to roll with women before this? Does no one care about that?
Some feel this is unjustified discrimination.
Which, to me at least, is something to get high and mighty about.
Also, a lack of articles regarding the female issue doesn’t change what some claim are homophobic comments.
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by Avap on Aug 19, 2011 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
i'm just wondering how it took hundreds of comments before it got posted
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by Cory Braiterman on Aug 19, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
A little perspective
Is what some of you lack. I don’t think this is ‘all kinds of unfortunate’. Just like some women won’t roll with men because SOME of them might get grabby; is the same precedent NOG is trying to make here. I don’t have anything against gays, and most of them go about their way and I go about mine.
However, there are some gay people I know who are wildly flagrant and think it’s appropriate to touch a mans ass without prior permission. Based upon my experience with this, I would be careful about which gay men I would like to roll with OR I can just say I don’t prefer to roll with gay men. “The gays”, them “gay people”…“the homosexuals” whatever. It’s 2000 fucking 11, get over the fucking titles already.
If this was Meisha Tate proclaiming she wouldn’t roll with a lesbian because she had some grabby lesbians in the gym before, it would be a non issue. If I was rolling with a gay dude and he put me in a triangle and then proceeded to poke my eye with his boner, I might say ‘I don’t prefer to roll with gays’ or somesuch thing. Just the same, I would prefer not too roll with Meisha Tate, because if I put her in a triangle, I might poke her in the eye with my boner.
Lets try and not to subscribe to some politically correct ideology that no one is sure how it is supposed to be correct.
by macintosh on Aug 19, 2011 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
Based upon my experience with this, I would be careful about which gay men I would like to roll with OR I can just say I don’t prefer to roll with gay men.
Allow me to put some words in your mouth then, you don’t have a problem with gay men, you have a problem with assholes with no respect for personal space. That goes across sexual identity.
If this was Meisha Tate proclaiming she wouldn’t roll with a lesbian because she had some grabby lesbians in the gym before, it would be a non issueNo, it would be an issue.
If I was rolling with a gay dude and he put me in a triangle and then proceeded to poke my eye with his boner, I might say ‘I don’t prefer to roll with gays’ or somesuch thing.This is bigoted because you’re stereotyping an entire group of people based on the actions of one jerk.
Doesn’t Nog refuse to roll with women for the same reason ?
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 19, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What you have...
Is the inability to think logically. As far as the Meisha Tate thing is concerned, what I meant was the PUBLIC would likely not have made such a big deal over her saying she would prefer not to roll with lesbians. THAT’S HER CHOICE. Just like NOG, she’s not denigrating gays or lesbians or what have you; she would just prefer not to roll with them.
I have a few Indian friends, and they like their garlic and spices. I don’t roll with them because they usually hum like a mofo. I’ll party with them, I’ll help them move, I’ll help them with their mortgage payment if things get hairy, but I’m not rolling with them. That’s my choice. Is that an issue? There are guys that won’t roll with me after I eat beans and rice before hand…. if someone starts asking people if they had beans and rice and then not rolling with them based on their answer is that bigotry? It’s prejudice if anything, because you are Pre-Judging that someone might reek like a motherfucker if they eat some beans and rice, but there’s no issue there, just personal preference.
Now, one time I saw this badger in my lawn and I thought it was pretty cute, so I tried to pick it up. The little bastard bit the shit out of me; so now I AVOID PHYSICAL CONTACT WITH BADGERS. I don’t go out of my way to be a dick to them. I don’t try to keep them off my lawn, and I don’t call them ‘Satans little children’, but because I had a negative experience With one badger being a dick, I avoid physical contact.
The thing is, that just may be his nature. It’s hard for me to hate him just because his nature, and it would also be hard for me NOT to get a boner while rolling with Meisha Tate. It’s hard for most of us to withhold what comes naturally to us, even gay people. So if someone wants to avoid rolling with gay people, badgers, or Meisha Tate, that’s their choice. So long as they don’t go out of their way to be a dick to said groups or individuals.
Fuck I get tired of this.
by macintosh on Aug 19, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
I liked the badger anecdote.
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As far as the Meisha Tate thing is concerned, what I meant was the PUBLIC would likely not have made such a big deal over her saying she would prefer not to roll with lesbians. THAT’S HER CHOICE. Just like NOG, she’s not denigrating gays or lesbians or what have you; she would just prefer not to roll with them.
Who the hell are “the public” here, and how do you know that they’d be just totally cool with it? I’d view it as exactly the same as this situation.
I have a few Indian friends, and they like their garlic and spices. I don’t roll with them because they usually hum like a mofo. I’ll party with them, I’ll help them move, I’ll help them with their mortgage payment if things get hairy, but I’m not rolling with them. That’s my choice. Is that an issue? There are guys that won’t roll with me after I eat beans and rice before hand…. if someone starts asking people if they had beans and rice and then not rolling with them based on their answer is that bigotry? It’s prejudice if anything, because you are Pre-Judging that someone might reek like a motherfucker if they eat some beans and rice, but there’s no issue there, just personal preference.So what we’re doing is drawing a distinction between bigotry and prejudice here. Prejudice is a form of bigotry, and it’s clear to me from Nog’s comments that his being uncomfortable with gay men is based on the prejudicial ideas he holds in his head about “them.”
Now, one time I saw this badger in my lawn and I thought it was pretty cute, so I tried to pick it up. The little bastard bit the shit out of me; so now I AVOID PHYSICAL CONTACT WITH BADGERS. I don’t go out of my way to be a dick to them. I don’t try to keep them off my lawn, and I don’t call them ‘Satans little children’, but because I had a negative experience With one badger being a dick, I avoid physical contact.You’re comparing gay people to badgers here. Let this sink in: sexual assault in gay men is not an instinct analogous to biting in badgers.
The thing is, that just may be his nature. It’s hard for me to hate him just because his nature, and it would also be hard for me NOT to get a boner while rolling with Meisha Tate. It’s hard for most of us to withhold what comes naturally to us, even gay people. So if someone wants to avoid rolling with gay people, badgers, or Meisha Tate, that’s their choice. So long as they don’t go out of their way to be a dick to said groups or individuals.Gosh, it’s hard, I’m so sorry. It’s the 21st centrury, Nog as a 35-year-old grown-ass man could choose to be a bigger person and get over his prejudice, and going out of your way not to roll with a gay man simply because he is gay IS being a dick to that group.
Fuck I get tired of this.Stop posting then.
You are making no sense.
And you aren’t answering any points of macintosh.
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Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder
Let me help you with that.
The public generally does not get as riled up over lesbian affairs as opposed to gay affairs, I think mostly because gays take the brunt of the attack when it comes to sexual alignment, meanwhile lesbians are more widely accepted, even though the situations are analogous.
Prejudice gets confused with bigotry often, but it’s no where near the definition of the word. If I pre-judge a group of men wearing gang stripes walking toward me in a secluded alley by turning and walking the other way, does that make me a bigot? Or does that make me at least capable of logical thought? They may be a group of church going gang members and their gang activities may include bake sales, but in my experience this is not likely the case. I PRE-JUDGE to keep my ass alive.
Let this sink in: I was trying to make the point that perhaps if I was rolling with a gay man he might get an erection, and that would make me uncomfortable. Just like I would get an erection rolling with Meisha Tate, and it would likewise make her uncomfortable. She might decide not to roll with dudes because I got an erection. Now, I may not have been TRYING to get an erection, and likewise a gay man might not TRY to get one while rolling. But it’s hard for us to combat nature, now isn’t it. Even the most controlled people have a hard time with their sexuality. I’m not implying ASSAULT, I’m implying that by our very nature, these things happen.
So NOG has to roll with every stinky fucker, badger, super hot chick and gay guy even though it might be uncomfortable for him. Yeah, that’s real ‘21st Century’ of you, pushing your ideals on other people. I think the Nazi’s tried that once.
by macintosh on Aug 19, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Well said. Regardless I still would like to roll with some of these women
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These fuckers:
You've now compared homosexuals to gang members, vicious animals and people with terrible hygiene.
What the fuck, man?
by M.Sphinx on Aug 20, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Solid gold.
I would prefer not too roll with Meisha Tate, because if I put her in a triangle, I might poke her in the eye with my boner.
This, boys and girls, is sig worthy.
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u
go from Spinoza to that?
how uniquely depressing.
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Oh no sir, I'm not changing shit
And don’t get too depressed. Wouldn’t want those passive emotions taking over. HEYO, PHILOSOPHY JOKE!
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The fighters of the UFC are really blowing it. Intentionally or not they are sabotaging the huge opportunity Zuffa has given them. This FOX deal changes everything, it is the biggest milestone MMA has ever seen. For some reason the fighters can’t seem to understand that they are the face of MMA. With Jason “Mayhem” Miller’s arrest for physically assaulting a female, Matt Serra and Kristof Soyzisnki spouting off about all fighters using steroids, and now Nogueria publicly announcing that he wouldn’t work with a gay student the fighters are just destroying this opportunity for MMA to go mainstream. These guys just need to keep their mouths shut as commen sense seems to be something they don’t possess. These are all perfect ammunition for the critics of MMA. Zuffa has worked so hard to bring MMA to where it is today and their own employees are going out of their way to make things worse. This is all terrible for MMA.
If being accepted by mainstream
means being forced to embrace everything the media tells you too, then I say pass. Plus, let’s wait and see what kind of example Uncle Dana sets from here on out.
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“You have to feel like I do or your wrong, wait, you don’t? Okay now I want you to get your ass kicked!” I thought people were entitled to an opinion, and as long as their beliefs weren’t harming the physical well-being of another then they are okay.
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I have no clue who's gay and who's not
when I’m rolling or boxing or anything else…. Is Nog really in tune to the gay nuances?
I have a hard time telling a gay dude from a hardcore Christian. They both can be soft spoken, fancy dressers, real thoughtful. I have a hard time telling who’s gay or Canadian sometimes too for pretty much the same reasons.
Question: Does Nog have a problem boxing with gay dudes too?
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by TheFilt on Aug 19, 2011 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i thought everyone involved in MMA was a little gay? i mean we do love those weigh ins!
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by ekc on Aug 19, 2011 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It's like the Dennis Hallman & his mini-shorts post all over again
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People think they’re doing justice to homosexuals when in fact they are doing the opposite.
And Im happy no one have comes up with a good argument after we showed them their contradictions.
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by zzwab on Aug 19, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What contradictions? How is speaking out against anti-homosexual comments opposing justice?
And what are the strong that defend such comments that go beyond “it’s uncomfortable because if I rolled with a gay guy he might try to have sex with me”
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Because those people would totally understand that ie some men feel unconfortable rolling with womens. And vise versa.
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I don't know what's worse "the gays" or "those people"
So would you feel uncomfortable rolling with a woman because you’re afraid she’d come on to you? Or is it the other way around?
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I m sorry my english isn’t great, is it that bad to use “those people” in US english ? I dind’t know it.
Anyway, that has nothing to do with my feelings. I m just pointing the fact that he has all the RIGHTS in the world to feel that way for obvious reasons. That it ;)
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Yes, and I have the right to criticize him
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I have no problem with what Nog said.
If he feels uneasy about it, so what?
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by Discman2 on Aug 19, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I m still waiting for the answer to that question : "So what ?"
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You’ll never get an answer that isnt overly PC.
You cant have opinions in the world we live in today. Somebody, somewhere, will be against your opinion and call you a racist/bigot/caveman/womanizer or any other name in the book just for simply having an opinion.
You choose to roll with gays, he doesnt.
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"You can't have opinions"
nah, that’s bullshit. Everyone’s entitled to their opinions. But realize that your beliefs can be criticized as well. Especially if it disparages any person or group of people.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 19, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing is he isnt disparaging anyone.
He feels uneasy about rolling with gays. He never says “I dont like Gays and therefore I won’t roll with them” or anything disparaging. He’s just saying he doesnt feel comfortable rolling with gays and now he’s getting the business because he has an opinion.
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And he's welcome to his beliefs,
but it certainly shows that Nog isn’t comfortable with gay people. As I said before- you can have an opinion, but I can also have an opinion about it. Especially if you’re a public figure like Nog. Especially because he said it in a public interview
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 19, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Training and getting ready for school.
Don’t worry… once I’m back at school and looking for things to distract myself with… I will be back to 100+ posts a day. haha
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 19, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool
I just got back into seriously training. Impending race war and whatnot…
Good to see you’re still alive. I need someone to make 200 comment debates with as the GSP/Diaz fight approaches.
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Did you say Diaz?
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by Chris Hall on Aug 19, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chris,
I will aggressively hunt you and your family down. I will corner your children, your offspring.
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So you're going to find me and my family
So you can coach my children in a fight.
I’m cool with that.
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Sure I can't just buy you a beer and call it even?
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Oridnarily?
Maybe. But that gif…. I don’t want to talk about that gif.
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Ah, so a shot it is then
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nice
I’d rather smoke another bowl and forget that fight even happened.
If only someone would quit posting a gif of it every time I say the name….. I’m not gonna do that to myself again.
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awesome jits
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by rohedron on Aug 19, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So amazing.
My favorite fight of all time
for many reasons.
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by RolloTomasi on Aug 20, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha
I’m actually not as down on Diaz these days. Even if I think he will lose, I think it’ll be an awesome fight to watch because Nick Diaz brings the thunder and tends to have epic scramblefests with strong wrestlers.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 19, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
certainly shows that Nog isn’t comfortable with gay peopl
No it doesn’t. It shows he isn’t comfortable with rolling with people who are sexually attracted to him. He won’t roll with girls either, so the opposite is true.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
That's very very smart if its true
If feel better about being a huge Nog fan.
If he won’t roll with girls for the same reason, I can’t call him a bigot.
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Apparently it's in the linked article
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Readin linked articles?
Who do you think I am? An informed commenter?
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Fuck no, I didn't read that shit either
Lauren found it and blessed us all with the wisdom in the comments.
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Who says every gay guy would be attracted to him?
I"m not gay, but it’s not like Nog is Brad Pitt.
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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 19, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody said that
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel easy with his uneasiness
So what? Why, if it doesn’t piss you off, do you need it to not piss us off either? We get it. We’re pissed. You’re not. Duly noted. He expressed his opinion. Now we have the right to say what we think about it and not buy his merch or PPVs if we want.
For my part, if there are gay readers of BE (and I guarantee you there are) I think it’s a shame they don’t feel comfortable identifying themselves on threads like this, though I can’t blame them. I wouldn’t either after seeing some of the comments. And I want them to know that some of us have their back and not all of us think like you do, that comments such as this are okay.
So that’s the “so what.”
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 19, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok I got it. You are just demagogic.
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Let me guess:
You learned that word on Fox News during the Paul Ryan/Medicare dust up?
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 19, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I m sorry I m not from the US. I m from France (you know the country that love socialism)
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And my favorite US show is "The Daily Show" with Jon Stewart.
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Chist, man, what time is it over there?
Why aren’t you at a sidewalk cafe drinking Bordeaux?
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 19, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I am working
I am secretly improving my english skills while talking on a MMA website :D (I m going to study in the US next year)
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Well "demagogic" is a pretty impressive start.
Best of luck in your pursuits.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 19, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
dude has a better vocab than most native speakers.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Better than my French, to be sure.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 19, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Parlez vous français ?
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Nein
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No
I just like to pretentiously drop in phrases and words when it suits my pedantic purposes.
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Oui.
J’habite au Louisiane.
(I’m rusty, but I get the point across, usually)
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 19, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Comments like what Nog said are ok. Its an opinion, no one cares if you agree with it or not, especially Nog.
But keep crusading for the Gays as if it means something. Nog will still feel the same way and so will every other person who feels the same way.
Not saying I feel the way he feels. I personally dont care about who you choose to bang. I just hate the crusading in the defense of gays because some people have opinions that seem archaic or not gay friendly.
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It’s unfortunate that political correctness gets to the point where someone can’t have a personal opinion that has to do with their own body and who makes contact with it.
His thoughts may be a bit outdated all the way around, but he’s an older guy and at least he isn’t taking a harsher approach to it.
by JeremyShane on Aug 19, 2011 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 18 recs
Is there a way to...
Turn this comment yellow or blue or something so it stands out as the definitive response to this article?
by Sergio Hernandez on Aug 19, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
This is exactly how I feel
My body, my business. His body, his business.
I don’t have any problem with what he said because he is projecting. That is too bad for him, but contrary to what many of the commenters have suggested, he didn’t say anything about gays in general.
Nog said that he would be uncomfortable rolling with a woman because he is worried that he might do something inappropriate. Nog then projects his own difficulties onto an anonymous gay man that he has never rolled with but might be asked to roll with in the future.
/shrug. He’d be a happier guy if he didn’t project but I don’t care much.
And by the way, to anyone who might respond to this, I’m queer. I date men, women and other. Mostly other. After coming out to everyone, including some incredibly bigoted friends and relatives, I’m really never in the mood to listen to straight people tell me what I should or should not be offended by. You can say whatever you want, just remember that I’ve walked that long road and you haven’t.
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Aug 19, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He’d be a happier guy if he didn’t project but I don’t care much.
I do care. And it offends me when people project thoughts and attitudes onto queers and exclude based on these projections, especially when it comes from a public figure in a sport trying to gain mainstream acceptance, where respect is promoted as key and where the president of largest promotion feels it’s okay to use sexual slurs.
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by sun yue on Aug 19, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Except that no one is being excluded
I project all the time. Other people project onto me. /shrug
In the end it’s my body, my business. His body, his business. What I prefer is none of his business and what he prefers is none of my business.
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Aug 19, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
except that
you’re reading an article and commenting about his preferences… so for all intents and purposes you seem to be making it your business.
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
I am not making it my business
Because I am not judging him; I am repeating what he says, which others are distorting.
Other people can feel free to repeat what I say as well.
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Aug 20, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
He's saying that he would exclude queer students from training with him
and it’s through that same mindset and projection that a user above commented that queer males shouldn’t be allowed in male bathrooms because queers apparently have no control over their urges.
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so why not just have bathroom’s mixed totally, I can control my urges if I’m mixed up with women. What’s the distinction there if not sexual attraction possibilities, not based on control.
(although I’ve seen a lot of women’s bathrooms working retail in the past… might be better if we keep our own)
So are you actually saying queer males shouldn't be allowed in male bathrooms?
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No.
He never implies that “queers apparently have no control over their urges.”
That is you projecting onto him.
And he is not excluding anyone because he doesn’t care if there are gays at his gym. Now.
My body is my business. His body is his business. What don’t you understand, straight boy?
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Aug 20, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
He is excluding gay students from personally rolling with him
He says so pretty directly that he wouldn’t want to train with a a gay student. So even if he’s open to having gay students at his gym, he’s still excluding them from personally training with the premiere fighter at his gym. And while Big Nog doesn’t express that queers have no control over their urges, a user on this site pretty much did, and I believe that it’s related to the way Big Nog is excluding gay students from rolling with him because of potential “malice.”
And I understand your stance on the issue and that’s fine. And it should also be fine for me to criticize Big Nog’s choices, even though I’m on the outside looking in. And I never said I was straight so please don’t assume so and use that assumption against me disparagingly.
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The basis of his opinion is bigotry.
He didn’t say, “I have a problem with bodily contact.” He’s drawing a distinction between straight and gay men, based on what he thinks they might be thinking during grappling. Nog’s assumptions about what a gay man feels and thinks about during rolling are based entirely on his own bigoted ideas about gay men. Namely, that they will have
that malice of having physical contact with me, of staying there grapplingMeaning that his statement,
I have no prejudice against the gaysis just plain incorrect.
He may have all the personal opinions in the world about his body and what happens to it, and good for him. But don’t give me a bigoted reason for an arbitrary distinction and then tell me you hold no prejudice.
He is saying that humans can be sexually attracted and that gay people (as much as female) may be attracted to him when they roll. That is a possibility that can’t be denied, and he just feels unconfortable about it.
He is not giving a bigoted reason, he is just saying that gay men as much as womens are attracted by men.
Maybe it’s weird to feel unconfortable about it but whatever, he has all the rights in the world to feel unconfortable.
“Nog hasn’t said anything about rolling with women. Re-read the article up there sir
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oops my bad.
It was an assumption of mine because it’s obvious it’s part of his reasoning about sexual attractiveness.
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by zzwab on Aug 19, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
He is saying that humans can be sexually attracted and that gay people (as much as female) may be attracted to him when they roll. That is a possibility that can’t be denied, and he just feels unconfortable about it.
He is not giving a bigoted reason, he is just saying that gay men as much as womens are attracted by men.
Maybe it’s weird to feel unconfortable about it but whatever, he has all the rights in the world to feel unconfortable.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope you got my point even if you don't really agree.
I just mean that it is more about BigNog having a (maybe wierd) feeling of being uncofortable than anything else.
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People just drop it and think they can avoid a conversation of social theory because a certain practice is common place.
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by Neil Manich on Aug 19, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
What world do you live in ?
Funny. In reality it’s ALWAYS the opposite. People avoid at any cost conversation because it’s just not Politicaly correct. That is the ultimate argument.
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I think you got it mixed up.
We’re trying to have a discussion on why Big Nog’s comments were anti-homosexual by analyzing what he said with the society around us. On the other hand, people use the dumb “things are too politically correct these days” excuse to absolve wrongdoing and disparage such discussions.
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Yeah, it is the ultimate phrase when people want to deny privilege
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by Enmascarado on Aug 19, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
… at least he isn’t taking a harsher approach to it.
Like what? And that’s the standard now? Guy makes a prejudiced statement and our response is, “Well, could be worse?”
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 19, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
hmm, assuming you didn’t actually understand and didn’t take what I said wrong on purpose to try and craft a point I’ll explain better what I meant there:
I simply said I think it’s his right to have whatever opinion he wants about his own body.
But I was glad that someone that is in the spotlight; and is from an older generation (older generations tending to be a bit behind on some progressive social ideas) didn’t come out harsher on the issue.
But I was glad that someone that is in the spotlight; and is from an older generation (older generations tending to be a bit behind on some progressive social ideas) didn’t come out harsher on the issue.
The fact that he’s not inciting violence is a relief to you?
You’re a strange little man.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Aug 20, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Nog is an ugly dude
I don’t think he has anything to worry about.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 19, 2011 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That's what I am saying!!!!
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Aug 19, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
But those scars....
all I’m gonna say is he better not roll no gi with me.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 19, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yes...but that's only if there's a title on the line
and Randy stinks in non-title fights.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 19, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, it's almost like women are a disadvantaged group in the modern world.
You’re the kind of guy that asks “Why can’t we have white history month?” aren’t you?
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by Enmascarado on Aug 19, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Face it, many guys who are grossed out by gay stuff are the ones we all knew in high school who got a boner the minute they got in the showers with everyone after practice or gym class. They have self doubts. it’s understandable. We should show them compassion.
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by Scabby Knuckle on Aug 19, 2011 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Calm down, everyone. The solution is right in front of us.
Lucky for you, I’ve already solved this little issue. Anytime someone may potentially touch me, I ask them if there is any sexual component to their action. So far I’ve used my system for:
- A lifeguard. He told me to stop struggling or I might drown both of us. I think he wanted to slow dance in the Gulf and just wouldn’t own up to it.
- A cop. He said I was creating a public disturbance. More like he wanted to create a disturbance (inside me!)
- Some stranger who claimed I was “choking on a piece of steak” tried to sexually assault me in a Sizzler. I think we all know exactly what he wanted me to choke on and I would have told him so if I actually could have spoken during the incident. Then this gay EMT shows up and HE tries to make out with me (so I’m told as I was unconscious and not breathing.)
Sheesh, when will all of these gay people get it through their heads, I AM NOT ATTRACTED TO YOU. STOP TRYING TO HAVE ALL OF THIS RANDOM SEX WITH ME. Take the hint, alright?
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Aug 19, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Not trying to play the devils advocate here
But maybe us (brazilians) have different views of homosexuals. Well, at least I do. I´ve lived near a gay friendly neighborhood in San Diego (Hillcrest) and it was so much different than here. Homosexuals over there were mostly respectful. I don´t remember having any problem in my short staying (4 months) over there.
In Brazil, from my experience, homosexuals tend to be — in general — more disrespectful towards straight men and it´s not unusual that they cross some lines. Specially in Rio.
I have gay friends and even they recognize that most of the gay people around here don´t respect straight men.
Things must be pretty different in Rio, because otherwise I don’t know what disrespectful behavior could mean.
Let’s say that the only places that any homosexual tried to hit on me was in Rio and in my hometown Florianopolis. Been all over the US, South America, and London and that never happened.
And you can say whatever you want, but I think is disrespectful if a homosexual tries to hit on a straight man or woman.
dude
is it disrespectful if you try to hit on a girl? there lies your problem, now, if you declined and they still keep bugging you, that’s different… also, if that’s what happened to you, you can’t generalize thinking just because you got hit by a couple of gay dudes that wouldn’t stop, that all gay dudes act that way, there’s the generalization you’re failing to see…
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Read my post above. I was trying to make a comparison between the places that I have been. I’m not saying that all of gay dudes act that way, but that I notice that it was more common in Brazil. I also said that I have gay friends and even they think that gay people around here are more prone to hit on straight people.
It’s a cultural thing and the gay culture (please don’t judge me if that’s not the correct expression) it’s a relatively new thing in Brazil.
And no I never tried to hit on a girl in the middle of the street or even on a beach (except in spring break in PCB), and yes, I think is disrespectful if a guy try to on a girl, depending on the way that is done. And you know that our people, by nature, tends to be more incisive in those kind of approaches.
man, I can't believe what I'm reading edtSD
do you really live here or in the US? sorry, it just seems like you have some preconceptions about Brazil that I usually see in Brazilians who have grown in the US. the gay community in Brazil is nothing new, for years the gay pride parade has been celebrated in São Paulo with a huge attendance number, not only of gay people but straight people in support of their cause. in fact, our gay rights laws are far more advanced than in the US. on another note, hitting on women… nothing wrong with that in my view, growing up I hit on women all over the place, I can’t see anything being disrespectful there… shit, my wife gets hit on a daily basis, she tells me all the time trying to make me jealous. to suggest that gay men can’t hit on other men… how would they know your straight without asking? I don’t get this logic…
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
That's cuz it's completely illogical
Gettin hit on by a gay dude is flattering, just like getting hit on by a chick. No big, just let him know you’re not interested.
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yep
I feel the same way. thought there for a sec that it would be inappropriate to hit on women in the US lol.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Completely appropriate
Just be ready for them to accept your offer of a drink then ignore you if you’re not interested.
:p - orcus
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I think everyone has their 'standards' too high
What ever happened to meeting a lonely single mother who still uses myspace?
What happened to banging a trouble teenager after sneaking in her parent’s house?
Are there no thick girls with nice apartments where your from?
What about the skanks that yell stuff at you in traffic? Are they not good enough either?
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Oh, I'm fine with all that
But orcus, here, has some fucking standards.
:p - orcus
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hey, a busstop is all I need!
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Come to think of
It is kind of illogical, isn’t??
Well, maybe I’m not 100% ok with gay people as I stated in the post bellow.
I’ll try to work that out (talking serious here).
I’ll try to work that out (talking serious here).
hey man, I can respect that!
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
and you get a deserved rec
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I have no choice but to rec this
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by Earl Montclair on Aug 19, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Lived here 27 of my 29 years.
I’m not saying that the gay community is new in Brazil, but it’s definitely not established like it is in the US for example. Do you know any gay friendly neighborhood in Brazil, just like Hillcrest in SD or West Village in NY? I don’t. That’s what I’m saying.
I live in Florianopolis which is the second preferred destination of GLS in Brazil, behind Rio only. We also have a gay pride parade.
And listen, I’m not against gay people, not at all. Only if lines are crossed. And to be more clear, more than once I was approached when I was walking WITH my girlfriend. We both felt embarrassed. That’s the same thing that if a dude tries to hit on her in front of me.
And about the hitting on a girl, I’m referring when guys around here start calling “gostosas” and things like that. That’s disrespectful too.
gostosas?
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Orcus, two examples (although one is fictional)
Loyd from entourage: completely ok behavior for a gay guy.
On the opposite side, I cite one of my best friends brother that is gay. He is very young and outgoing. I was in a club here and he and his friends were making a mess in the guy’s bathroom, trying to check guys penises while there were pissing. Completely unacceptable behavior. Result, they almost got beat up by tuff guys (not me). And that wasn’t the first time and he’s not the only one that I’ve saw doing it. We got this a lot here.
You're second example is fucked up
But you can’t equate that to all homosexuals either. Just like you can’t equate all MMA fans to those tiny TapouT t-shirt wearing $kalas.
:p - orcus
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I wouldn't roll with $kala
"Brock's approach to the trash talking was more primal. He was going to revenge fuck Frank Mir's corpse until his ghost had a baby." - Seanbaby
by Earl Montclair on Aug 19, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know it’s an extreme example.
But it goes along with my point — and that’s what originated the discussion between me and Orcus in the first place — that I only notice that kind of outgoing behavior here in Brazil. This was the point in my original post.
you can find things like that in the US too, I'm sure
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
well
we don’t segregate the “gays” here :p
they’re all mixed in our neighborhoods. and again, you only had a “one” incident where a gay guy was disrespectful, but then say “Brazilian gays are disrespectful”. see the problem?
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
It wasn't one Orcus
That was an extreme example. There are others. Like I said above, I was hit a couple of times when I was with my girl.
But yeah, you’re right I’ll admit. I was generalizing.
Liberal Blogging shining through....
The fact that this blog (SBNation) is partially owned by the guy that started dailykos is shining through. Who cares who he wants to train with or doesn’t want to?
Yeah, because the DailyKos has everything to do with the people writing here. Stop it.
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by Leland Roling on Aug 19, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll start pushing my Conservative agenda
to counter it.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 19, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This will be best for everyone
:p - orcus
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First suggestion via twitter
@kenfoss1
@MattRoth512 @BloodyElbow I await your op-ed about how struggling MMA promotions should tax it’s lowest earning fighters.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 19, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you seriously conservative?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 19, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I AM VERY CONSERVATIVE
I AM OFFENDED AT THIS ARTICLE!
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 19, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
There we go
implausible anger. You’re off to a good start, my friend.
:p - orcus
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MY AVATAR IS ME DRINKING A LONESTAR
THE NATIONAL BEER OF TEXAS.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 19, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That's abita dummy!
And it’s delicious!
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 19, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yep...hopefully the NOLA show as well.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 19, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That's be uncomfortable for everyone
since I’ll be wearing Vale Tudo shorts.
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 19, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you from Louisiana?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Aug 19, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You going to NOLA?
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by Matthew Roth on Aug 19, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish, but now.
Money’s not there right now, and the card isn’t strong enough to justify breaking my bank.
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