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UFC's Monumental Deal with Fox Will Challenge Promotion's Decision Making

Can Dana White and the UFC's brass make the decisions needed to propel the sport to a new level on Fox? (Photo by Michael Cohen/Getty Images)

Yesterday, Sports Business Daily's John Ourand reported that the UFC and FOX had reached a monumental, long-term deal that would bring mixed martial arts back to network television. The deal, reported to last seven to eight years at $90 million per year, would allow the UFC to promote up to four major events on FOX while airing smaller shows and weekly programming such as The Ultimate Fighter and episodes of UFC Unleashed on FX. Other programming could end up on Fuel TV, but sources indicated that FOX would not re-brand Fuel TV as a hub for UFC content. In a nutshell, it is a historic deal for the sport, one that could propel it to mainstream status and help it grow even more in the years to come.

The deal doesn't come without risk for the UFC however. While the prospect of higher advertising revenue, higher-profile sponsors, and a means to fueling their pay-per-view model through network television sounds like a home run on paper, the UFC will need to carefully navigate a much more complex business model that includes demands for high ratings from FOX. What will it take for the UFC to fulfill those goals?

Let's attempt to answer that question with a series of questions focused on the terms of the deal as we've come to know them. The most important question, in my mind, is how much of the reported seven to eight year deal is guaranteed? In other words, what has to happen in order for FOX to pull the rug right out from under the UFC?

According to MMAPayout.com, FOX drew a 1.2 rating, or 3.63 million viewers last Saturday night, giving us a clearer picture of what the UFC should hope to accomplish. EliteXC Primetime drew an average of 4.3 million viewers, peaking at 6.51 million viewers during the main event showdown between James Thompson and Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson. MMAPayout also pointed out that sources close to the negotiations stated that FOX wanted a promotion that had enough stars to "move the needle". The question is how far does that needle need to move.

I'm under the firm impression that the UFC can blow away the average 4.3 million viewer record simply on brand power and the one or two drawing stars. EliteXC wasn't a known mixed martial arts promotion to most casual fans, but the addition of Kimbo Slice, who was considered a crossover star because of his pop culture status across more than just the MMA fanbase, fueled the event's ratings. The UFC will likely gain a solid opening number simply based on the fact that the fights are promoted by the UFC alone, a brand that's synonymous with quality mixed martial arts action. 

The key terms that I continue to focus on, however, is FOX's need for a promotion that has "enough stars" to "move the needle". Moving the needle would indicate that FOX is looking for a significant ratings jump from the 1.2 rating, likely in the realm of 5 or 6 million viewers. The volatile nature of mixed martial arts, specifically injuries, could create major problems in reaching that goal. The UFC doesn't have enough stars to fill network cards with fighters who can draw in fans on short notice.

Further exacerbating the problem is attempting to find the delicate balance between providing network ratings and maintaining or even creating pay-per-view revenues. Once again, injuries could plague the juggling act.

Star-divide

Those questions lead to what I think is, ultimately, the most intriguing question. What will the caliber of these shows be if the UFC intends to drive pay-per-view revenue with network cards? Obviously, blowing the proverbial load and featuring nothing but the highest drawing fighters on the FOX network cards would be a recipe for disaster. While it might equal monumental ratings and advertising interest, it isn't sustainable, and it would directly affect the company's pay-per-view revenues. The golden ticket is finding a way to use the network broadcasts to hype impending pay-per-view cards that feature fighters that were showcased on network and cable broadcasts previously. I'm not under the impression that the UFC will sacrifice PPV buys yet for long-term success in the mainstream.

This deal is an opportunity for the UFC to shift their thinking in the context of drawing in the casual fan. In the past, we've continued to see the use of aging legends as a means to drawing in those fans. I still stand in line at the grocery store of my own saturated college city and hear talk of the upcoming Tito Ortiz pay-per-view. It amazes me to no end that such a mediocre fighter in today's sport still has that kind of pull. Those types of stars are aging however, and the UFC hasn't done a great job at replacing those legends of the sport.

Ideally, the UFC should be pushing the youthful generation of fighters, and Jon Jones should be the spearhead of such an attack. Anderson Silva is an obvious player in the discussion as well, and Chael Sonnen's trash talking antics could provide the perfect heel storyline to interest even the most casual onlooker. Limit title fights to one per card, and press the young, exciting fighters. Rory MacDonald comes to mind, and mix in aggressive veterans who can finish fights like Chris Leben. It's too bad Chris Lytle hung up the gloves, he would have been network gold.

Going young serves a couple of purposes, most notably the creation of new stars on a platform that has the ability to grow those younger fighters into popular draws more quickly. The UFC was always limited by using Versus and Spike TV in attempting to do that, but adding, at the very least, one marquee match-up on the lower portion of a main card with a fight featuring a guy like Rory MacDonald could help the UFC greatly.

Secondly, it fills space on the network card while saving some of the other drawing stars for pay-per-view. In an ideal world, the UFC should be scheduling major pay-per-view events a week or two after network cards. They should utilize the airtime they get on a Saturday night on FOX by promoting the heck out of the next pay-per-view, driving pay-per-view revenue to higher numbers. 

The prominence of the network and pay-per-view cards have been a significant discussion point, as they should be, due to the importance they have on the future of the promotion. The trenches are where this battle could be won and lost though. FX has better ratings and more reach than Spike TV, but it won't be acting as a hub for the UFC. It won't have wall-to-wall episodes of UFC Unleashed, Countdown shows, and The Ultimate Fighter marathons. Those shows will have a place in between great shows like The League, Louie, Rescue Me, and It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia to name a few.

It will, however, serve as a vital piece of the puzzle, a means for the UFC to create and build stars and reach a wider audience with the programming that Spike TV stated had stalled in growth on their network. The stalling growth of those shows had more to do with their stale nature rather than where they sat however.

The UFC needs to find a way to revamp The Ultimate Fighter by any means possible. FOX will now have the make-or-break decision on who gets on the show, so we might actually get more skilled fighters in the house, or we may get 16 Junie Brownings in one house. I would expect the latter after seeing some of FOX's reality show programming. Perhaps FOX will attempt a crossover show, The Ultimate Fighter meets Paradise Island. As I jokingly mentioned on Twitter yesterday, the UFC would need to somehow work a gorilla into the sixteen fighter field for me to get interested again. That's how bad the show has become for some of us. 

If I had to choose, quality would be my choice, but finding sixteen fighters who are entertaining, personable, and highly-skilled is a tough prospect. I think quality will work in the long run as those fighters have a much higher chance of seeing a prolonged journey on the UFC's free cards.

The UFC is in a high risk, high reward scenario with the new deal with FOX. I imagine there is a guaranteed number of years that the deal will last before FOX has the option of walking away. Can the UFC surpass and go above and beyond that date? Can they produce stellar ratings and help this sport grow to unforeseen levels? I think they can, but it will take some brilliant strategic planning on the UFC's part. 

Quick Hits

  • The UFC was adamant about not giving up production control in all of their previous attempts at network, subscription-based, and cable channel deals, so there is some interest in whether they had to give any up in order to get this deal done. FOX's Sports Division did not want to give up control in previous discussions of a deal. So, who caved? Will we see recently hired FOX commentator Gus Johnson next to Joe Rogan? I imagine FOX may have won the battle with the UFC asking to maintain their commentary staff.
  • There is still speculation regarding where the UFC will actually air. FOX obviously has up to four events to work with, and FX will receive most of the UFC's content with Fuel TV acting as a supplementary network. Fox Sports Network and all of the regional affiliates were not named in the details of the deal, but those networks could act as a prime location for late night programming to further saturate the market with UFC-branded content.
  • Sponsorship money for fighters should increase, and it will be interesting to see how the UFC deals with fighters who want some sort of cut in the money for drawing in bigger ratings on network cards. Will that come out of the advertising revenue they grab from those cards?
  • What companies are out there that cater to a larger portion of the 18-34 demographic? Is Nike or Gatorade something that the UFC could eventually reel in? The new deal could bring in some big fish.
  • Will the UFC attempt to use other brands to fill voids in the cable landscape? Could they resurrect the WEC or PRIDE and work out a deal with Spike TV? I highly doubt it considering Spike TV's parent company already has a deal with Bellator, but perhaps they move one of those entities back into the fold with Comcast/NBC or Showtime. I don't expect it, but crazier things have happened.

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LIVE on the West Coast like 21st Century sports should be, or tape delayed to the West like a stupid reality show?

I bet it’s the latter.

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by SSreporters on Aug 17, 2011 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

All depends on which FOX division

If in the sports division I think its live for us on the west coast. If in the entertainment division, that won’t be the case.

by aubievegas on Aug 17, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hear, hear.

That shit bugs me. Hopefully they do the former.

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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 17, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I totally understand why it would bug you...

…but are you home at 2:30 in the afternoon to watch fights? I’d rather watch something tape-delayed at prime time than in the middle of the day tbh.

That said, I really hope they don’t use FSN….

No sir, I don't like it.

by OmoPlata on Aug 17, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

2:30 in the afternoon?

On the west coast, live shows generally happen at like 6. Maybe 4 if you watch all the prelim fights.

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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 17, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The prelims for the last event were at 5:45 on the East Coast……wouldn’t that make it 2:45 on the West? or am I being retarded…?

No sir, I don't like it.

by OmoPlata on Aug 17, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

not by my measure

for the Versus show on Sunday, I worked, so I had to watch the replay at like 9 PDT, which meant I had to avoid ESPN all afternoon and evening so they wouldnt spoil anything.

Say it ain't Cho

by Sean in Vancouver on Aug 17, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm. I guess that would make sense.

I got back home for the fights at 6:30 PST… I missed the Sadollah/ Ludwig fight and all the prelims.

If the prelims started at 3ish, that would mean the live main event would start at 6 pm on the west coast.

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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 17, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s way early for me to be in the house watching TV, especially on a Saturday….I even feel kind of lazy being in front of the tube at 6pm on a weekend…

I do however understand your unfortunate situation….“real” sports don’t tape delay live games/matches. You watch it live, or you get it spoiled for you on the web….most people don’t really care to watch a replay once it’s already happened.

No sir, I don't like it.

by OmoPlata on Aug 17, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you're using the prelims as an example and they're not the ones tape delayed.

If you want to watch them (here on the West Coast), you’re going to have to do it early anyway, so you might as well have the ability to watch the main card after they end. I can’t stand having to wait for tape delayed events. Also, it’s kind of nice having events earlier so you can still do things afterward (as most of my friends aren’t interested in MMA).

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by TheGreg on Aug 17, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I personally

like to be able to watch the fights, be done by like 9 o’clock, and then go out afterwards.

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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 17, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same here.

And being a fan of other sports, it’s definitely a pain having to avoid finding out the results when the events are tape delayed.

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by TheGreg on Aug 18, 2011 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

That sux....

Thanks for the extra details guys….FYI I feel they should offer both options for the West Coast viewers; PPV at either the live time or tape delayed for those who want a prime time show. I’m sure both showings would sell just fine.

No sir, I don't like it.

by OmoPlata on Aug 18, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

no reason they couldn’t just replay the damn fights right afterwards.

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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 18, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we see less PPVs

I agree with you that they haven’t shown any indication of wanting to shift from a PPV business model, but they can restructure their shows to complement PPVs and Fox. Cutting maybe a quarter of PPVs could make the remaining shows more “must see events” instead of forcing even hardcore fans into skipping a pay per view because they can’t buy one once a month. Total buys for the year, if done correctly, could remain the same. The slightly lower quality headliners (think Rampage Hamil) that would have otherwise main evented the less successful ppvs can see a lot of success on Spike. If Zuffa can combine all that into a hype machine then things could be looking very good from here on in.

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by Stiff Jab on Aug 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I think this will be the shift they need. The added money from a $90 million dollar a year fee plus the added advertising money should give them more revenue, even if they take out some PPVs.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I don’t think the PPV model is viable, long term. If the FOX deal is indeed done, then I think they put the more average PPV type cards on network TV, and keep the supercards with high profile title fights on PPV for now. And keep it up with the UFN franchise… hopefully they can ramp up the volume of those cards.

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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 17, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we we see pretty good cards here, they need to be good to get ratings, and they are going to be getting enough money to drop a decent PPV.

by Phildo on Aug 17, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll believe it when I see it

Most likelt we’ll just see more ppvs with not so great headliners (Rampage/Hammill, Mir/Cro Cop) and Dana White continue his “if you dont like it dont order it” stance.

by bigdmmafan on Aug 17, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That may work against him and dilute the product thus forcing a sharp decline in PPV revenue. This is were the Fertitas get involved business wise.

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by dandeman on Aug 17, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes let's completely forget that neither of those headliners were planned

I love how people use those bad headliners as proof the Ufc is milking the ppv model when they never even expected them to headline ppvs.

Of course most mma fans think that when a cards headliner falls apart that the Ufc should just lose tens of millions of dollars, make Spike change their entire tv schedule, and somehow put the event on free tv even if it makes absolutely no sense logistically.

Btw out of the last 24 ppvs only those two ppvs had very mediocre headliners and both were only headlining because of injuries. Sorry but the facts don’t support your argument.

by mcpeepants23200 on Aug 17, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

You can’t really blame the UFC for main event fights that are forced because of injury. It’s not like Lorenzo is going around clubbing fighters. Whenever they have a main event the fight is usually interesting.

by HaterSlayer on Aug 17, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to imagine that for the Fox cards, they’ll have a back-up plan. Maybe have recognizable but not huge name as an alternate for each weight-class, agree to pay them their show money whether they fight or not, have them go through camp, etc. That way if someone drops out with an injury, they can plug someone else in with minimal drop-off in overall quality if the card.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Aug 17, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think most fighters are starting to train year round now to be ready for calls

Especially guys at the mid levels. I do think that it being on network TV can mitigate some of the damage of a guy pulling out last second. I highly doubt the Marquardt/Story versus event got hurt much in ratings when it switched to Barry/Kongo. When you don’t have to drop $50 bucks to watch I don’t think it will hurt as much.

by HaterSlayer on Aug 17, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The original main event for 119 was Mir/Big Nog 2 with both men coming off of loses. Big Nog was replaced by Cro Cop.

 The original main event of UFC 115 was Liddell/Ortiz 3 where Liddell had lost 4 out of his last 5 and Ortiz had lost 3 out of his last 4(1 draw), Ortiz was replaced by Franklin who had lost 2 out of his last 3.

I’m not expecting the UFC to drop any card to Spike on cancel a card and you’re right when you say the majority of the time the UFC puts together fantastic cards(barring injuries) but dont feed me the line that the UFC will never try and put on a mediocre headliner.

My whole point was everybody said they expected a drop in PPV’s and I dont buy that. I think the UFC will continue to put on at least 1 PPV a month even if it means that 1 or 2 cards have to have shitty main events.

by bigdmmafan on Aug 17, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was at 115 in Vancouver

That place went off when Chuck went to sleep!!!

by KMcCaig on Aug 18, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Although I hesitate to respond to people named "mcpeepants"

That hardly negates the argument. How about Fitch v Penn, Cruz v Faber, Couture v Coleman, Big Nog v Cain? I liked those fights, but they are hardly blockbusters ppv sellers. Hell, Chuck vs Franklin got better after injuries and it was still a bad main event.

I don’t understand how you can characterize me arguing what you claim “most mma fans” think based on what I said. That is an argument style that my fourth grade teacher taught me was called hyperbole.

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by Stiff Jab on Aug 17, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not possible to have a super fight at the top of every PPV. Faber/Cruz was a title fight so i don’t see how that fits. Fitch/Penn was a battle of the second best WW in the world VS a former champion that is one fo the best fighters to ever step in the cage. Nog VS Cain was a match in which Nog was coming off a solid win and Cain was considered the next coming in the HW division. At the time the Nog/Cain fight was huge for the division, either Nog derails the undefeated machine that is Cain, or the young prospect jumps into the top 5 and the torch is passed.

I’ll give you coleman/Couture, that was two older guys doing battle. It did however, have two number one contender fights supporting it.

I’d rather just climb this fridge

by Riley_96 on Aug 17, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said, I like all those fights

But in terms of marketing, they were hardly top notch blockbusters.

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by Stiff Jab on Aug 18, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope this is right

but nothing I’ve seen from the UFC gives me any reason to suspect (or be hopeful) that we’ll see a drop in the number of PPVs. The UFC seems to subscribe to the more is more approach when it comes to PPV revenue, and I just don’t see where they willingly take that hit as part of a long-term effort toward building a successful, advertiser-driven model.

As a result, I think the first couple Fox broadcasts will feature high-profile fights/fighters, but ultimately the best guys and the biggest draws will do their fighting on PPV.

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by Dave Strummer on Aug 17, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think, initially, we may see the UFC use a PPV draw on one of their first cards to bolster interest.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree

I just think sooner, rather than later, they’ll revert to the mean. It will be interesting whether the UFC on Fox can be successful as sort of a Friday Night Fights level event.

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by Dave Strummer on Aug 17, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

that might be the best case scenario for the ufc's ppv biz

regular ‘free’ exposure to exciting guys and up and comers, plus a two-hour commerical for the ppv.

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by some schmuck in texas on Aug 17, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That might have made sense when limited to Spike

But if the bottom line shows that they can make more money dropping ppvs, they will do it. And with fox they very well could

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by Stiff Jab on Aug 17, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they'll cut 4-5 ppvs

 Also adding SF fighters will make it easier to fill the cards.

Honestly I would never expect to see Jones or anderson on network tv unless they lose their belts. I think it’s likely we’ll see lesser known champs like Cruz, Edgar and Aldo and top contenders like Rashad, Rampage, JDS, Rich, Forrest, Shogun and on who aren’t huge ppv sellers.

I agree we’ll see fan friendly fighters on tv. We won’t see Fitch, Okami or Maynard on Fox.

I wonder if they’ll now consider womens mma as Gina proved to be a very solid draw.

by mcpeepants23200 on Aug 17, 2011 2:16 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

One woman who can draw wouldn’t justify bringing in an entire women’s division. Not cost effective.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why don't people understand this?

There’s no evidence that an entire women’s division can provide effective business.

Don’t just put a women’s division for the sake of it.

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by SSreporters on Aug 17, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It actually turns people off

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by Stiff Jab on Aug 17, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the past

Dana said they might be interested in doing one off fights with Gina.

by jacksiwel on Aug 17, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

I hate that damn song so much. I think they need to replace it with a more dramatic score than a song that makes the UFC seem like it’s trying too hard to be cool.

by HaterSlayer on Aug 17, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I shudder to think that such a wonderful intro as that would ever go by the wayside.

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by Avap on Aug 17, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if serious

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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 17, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a negative Ghostrider.

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by Avap on Aug 17, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Oh, is that the name of the song?

Its been due to be put out to pasture for some time now, and getting on network tv should put the nail in the coffin.

by Cocytus on Aug 17, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

for the life of me, I don't understand why they use it so much.

You OWN the PRIDE theme! USE IT! people recognize stuff like that (see: FOX’s nfl theme, or NBC’s old NBA theme).

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by sBruce24 on Aug 17, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the UFC (and Dana specifically) hates the notion that something another organization

has done could possibly be better than the UFC. For this reason I think they would refuse to adopt anything from previous organizations (even though PRIDE’s intros were absolutely fantastic).

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by TheGreg on Aug 17, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you!

I am patiently waiting for the UFC to introduce ridiculous, Pride-style intros

by Damnatio Memoriae on Aug 17, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goddamn that intro is so cheesy..

For mainstream acceptance’s sake that shit needs to get nixed. I shudder to think of what non-MMA fans think when watching it… Is this like WWF? One thing for sure is it doesn’t coincide with the whole wanting to build an image of legitimacy for MMA and the UFC. And besides the fact that it’s a stupid gladiator theme it looks like it was produced in 1997.

by peckawood on Aug 17, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m willing to bet FOX will revamp the entire intro and everything.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i doubt it

PPV intro will stay the same. It will be something totally different on fox, just like when a fight is shown on versus.

Sheeeeeeeee-it

by Clay Davis on Aug 17, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

PPV intro will stay the same because it isn’t owned by FOX.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 18, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Y U BRAEK HAERT?

I’m going to cling to hope that with this move on up they’ll take the opportunity to class it up a bit, even if they don’t have anyone twisting their arm about it.

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by some schmuck in texas on Aug 18, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dana said everything is getting changed

It’s gonna be like a restart from the presentation standpoint.

by HaterSlayer on Aug 19, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame Dana’s tastes in music.

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by spectaa on Aug 17, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I blame Kid Nate

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by Chris Hall on Aug 17, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean Kid Hate.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 18, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the money

Dana loves that shit.

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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 17, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think 10 million viewers is out of the question

If the UFC provides “b” level numbered cards(something like UFC 128) then they’ll get high ratings. Remember, the [b]prelims[/b] on Spike seem to get closer to 2 million viewers than not. The first card will obviously be “stacked” but as long as they stay away from Fight Night level cards they’ll do fine.

I do think for the first few cards they need to focus on putting on fighters that have a reputation for being exciting. There are TONS of people who will be really watching the UFC for the first time and you need more than one great show to really hook people.

by HaterSlayer on Aug 17, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I think above 6 million is easily possible, but I’m being conservative here. I have no clue what the UFC will do in terms of stacking talent on these cards. If they go all out, throw Lesnar in there with another major PPV star following a stellar Fox card from the previous quarter… huge numbers like that don’t seem out of the realm of possibility.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know that a lot of people are throwing Lesnar's name around a lot in this whole FOX discussion

But is it even sure that he’s coming back? And if he did, why not reserve him for PPV to make room for people that they need to turn into stars that aren’t already there? If only just to prove that they are legitimate enough to make their own stars.

Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.

by halitosis on Aug 17, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm skeptical that the UFc can deliver the ratings that FOX expects...

…especially at a 90 mil per year pricetag.

I’m under the firm impression that the UFC can blow away the average 4.3 million viewer record simply on brand power and the one or two drawing stars. EliteXC wasn’t a known mixed martial arts promotion to most casual fans, but the addition of Kimbo Slice, who was considered a crossover star because of his pop culture status across more than just the MMA fanbase, fueled the event’s ratings. The UFC will likely gain a solid opening number simply based on the fact that the fights are promoted by the UFC alone, a brand that’s synonymous with quality mixed martial arts action.

Kimbo Slice might be the smoking gun in all of this. If the UFC couldn’t get any of their current stars to draw a bigger crowd than Kimbo Slice did when he fought on Spike, then how are they going to consistently outperform form the ratings he garnered on network TV? The only way i can see this happening is if the UFC puts cards like UFC: Rio on FOX. According to this article, the deal specifically requires up to four “major” events from the UFC each year. What constitutes “major”. Fight Night caliber cards are not gonna cut it on FOX. They may be able to get away with that on FX (which probably reaches a similar number of homes as Spike), but Spike’s disinterest in renewing with the UFC due to it’s stagnation growth-wise should be a major concern for the UFC and FOX. Why have ratings been dropping even as the UFC became synonymous with Spike? People who were tuning in 5 years ago have stopped and even fewer fans followed the UFC to Versus. I’m just not convinced that a surge of new fans will be created when the UFC hits FOX.

by Grease S. Pieces on Aug 17, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spike only said that the UFC was stagnant because they knew they lost the battle

They are trying to act like they are higher than the UFC, but quite honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Spike crumbles with the few psychos that still consistently watch their programs.

Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.

by halitosis on Aug 17, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with Leland

I think the UFC brand…and a couple of ‘name’ fighters can do 5-6 million on FOX….pretty easily…the promotion for the events would/should be much better than what Elite did on CBS.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Aug 17, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

another thing that will help is that fox will hit us over the head with promos for the UFC during football a lot harder than CBS did.

by Phildo on Aug 17, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Next day’s headline: FOX cuts the UFC, Fitch relegated to Siberia.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I actually want to see a Fitch/Shields fight

It could turn into a crappy kick boxing match or an interesting grappling one.

by HaterSlayer on Aug 17, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

more like a one sided kick boxing match for Fitch. It would make him look like a million bucks. Fitch Sheilds is a good fight though.

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by MaZZacare on Aug 17, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

One might not predict

That Big Nog vs Barnett would end up an epic grappling battle, but holy crap was it ever!

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by hardlyworking on Aug 17, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

With the cultural saturation the UFC has achieved in America

a card on a major non-cable tv channel will undoubtedly do huge numbers. Not only in tvs tuned in, but number of people per set. I think you can safely quadruple this last versus rating and you’d be in the ballpark.

by Cocytus on Aug 17, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Quadruple actual rating number or viewership. Four times 776,000 is low in my mind. I think they can do way more than that. Way more.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

When Spike counter programed them on the last Versus card they had another 700,000 people watching. Quadrupling ~2 million would be a more accurate guess IMO.

by HaterSlayer on Aug 17, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mmm, yeah 3 mil would be the lower end of a safe expectation. I would prob go as high as 4.5 mil as a safe bet but I would not at all be surprised to see 5-8 mil depending on how they promote and market the card.

I’m very curious to see what kind of time slot Fox gives them. Do they continue the 9 pm from the past, or push it up to 8? I would expect Fox to choose a fairly generous time slot to start out with to really get the most out of this new deal.

by Cocytus on Aug 17, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

"huge numbers" and "quadruple this last versus rating"

Are not even close to the same thing. Fox will be very disappointed if they only get four times the viewership that Versus got.

by MichaelDavidSmith on Aug 17, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone would probably jump out of a window if they hit that number. Two times the normal rating of 1.2 or 3.6 million is a good start in my opinion. If they can hit 6 million on a card, then propel that to 8 or 9 on a super card, FOX would be ecstatic.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely achievable

Man, this whole situation just has me giddy! So much room for success. I just love it.

Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.

by halitosis on Aug 17, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think less than 4 million would be good

Ratings usually go down after a show premiers. Most people watching will already be MMA fans, but lots of people will check it out for the first time. Regardless of how good the fights are some people will be turned off for whatever reason. So if it’s 4 million the first show there is a good chance the second show will be 3.3 million or so. I just looked up some ratings numbers for MLB on Fox’s ratings and I may be aiming high, but I think the UFC can beat those numbers.

by HaterSlayer on Aug 17, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sidenote:

I wonder if the recent change to five rounds on ALL main events had anything to do with this deal?

by Mark Muir on Aug 17, 2011 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

lol the last versus card only did 766,000 viewers

I wouldn’t be surprised if they did ten times those numbers. Shoot they’ve done way bigger numbers on spike. Ufc 75 averaged 4.7 million viewers on spike.

Not that 766,000 is that bad for Versus. In fact it was their highest rated show of the week and did more than most nhl playoff games do.

by mcpeepants23200 on Aug 17, 2011 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Use the reply button, man. Hard to follow who you are responding to without it.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think i've been hitting it

and then posting in the other one anyways or taking to long to post. Anyways I was just responding to them doing 4 times Versus numbers. honestly if they did numbers like that they’d probably consider it a failure.

by mcpeepants23200 on Aug 17, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mentioned in my fanpost about how Zuffa needs to use their network shows to help drive more PPV buys as well.

Wonder how the plans for the global TUF plays into this.

by squaresphere on Aug 17, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s too bad Chris Lytle hung up the gloves

This was my first thought.

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by Avap on Aug 17, 2011 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

One word

awesome.

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by Avap on Aug 18, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man what if TUF was on FOX?

Perhaps this is the begging of them moving away from PPV but that seems unlikley since they continue to make money off of it.

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by MaZZacare on Aug 17, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think they are at a point in which they can gauge what will make them more money. $90 million a year is a tremendous jump, but the PPV money is a nice secondary stream to that figure. It could become bigger than that as well.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there will be one or two mega-Network cards a year

But beyond that, I think each of the 4 Fox cards will be on the PPV level.

Because realistically, the UFC can’t continue to increase the # of PPV events per year. There are only 12 months, and I think they are averaging like 14-16 PPVs each year.

They have to realize that at some point it’s hard to maintain a certain average buyrate with so many events. I mean, could you imagine if there were 20 PPVs a year? The more there are, the more people are willing to pick and choose which ones are ‘really worth’ buying at all.

So I think instead of doing 14-16 PPVs, I think 4 of those events(2 that are solid, 2 that are HUGE) will find their way onto Fox…with the other 10-12 being PPVs.

Then I’m sure they’ll put the occasional international cards for free on FX…which will of course be the home of Fight Nights and The Ultimate Fighter and etc.

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by Chris Groves on Aug 17, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Using network shows to drive PPV revenue

May be the short to medium term plan, but I have to imagine in the long term Zuffa wants to have all their shows on network TV or basic cable. For as much as Dana talks about competing with the NFL, NBA, etc., at some point the UFC would have to step up and compete with them where they live.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Aug 17, 2011 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it is the long-term goal, but we’re talking about a seven to eight year deal. I’m sure there are escalators built in, and probably a means to extending and re-negotiating the contract.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

you really believe the ufc will ever compete with those sports?

I don’t see it happening any time soon, if, ever. Imo MMA will never ever hit the popularity of those sports and will never be completely on network or cable tv.

A ppv that sells a million buys could make half the money that they’ll make for an entire year of programming for Fox, FX and Fuel.

I just don’t see the popularity of mma getting to the point where they’ll make more money on network or cable tv than they will on ppv.

by mcpeepants23200 on Aug 17, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

They can compete with MLB right now in that slot. Most of those games rate at 3.7 to 4.2 million viewers. They could shatter that with the right mix of fights.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s no way that many people watch baseball. I’m betting that people happened to leave their TV on for their pets and baseball happened to come on.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Aug 17, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

funny guy

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by TheFilt on Aug 17, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

A prime time football game will get you about 20 million viewers so Baseball being much lower than that seems accurate.

by HaterSlayer on Aug 17, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

They can't compete with MLB right now.

MLB has several of those 3.7’s and 4.2’s happening every day, from aftenoon until night, different games being shown in different cities. It’s way too much MLB programing for UFC to truly be considered competitive.

by djkrazykill on Aug 17, 2011 5:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Aug 17, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Ummmm




And this happens simultaneously. Every day. For 7 months out of the year. The Yankees alone are worth more than the UFC.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 17, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

And this happens simultaneously. Every day. For 7 months out of the year.

No. Full ballparks don’t happen everyday for 7 months.

In the last four seasons the Tampa Bay Rays have been superb, including getting to the World Series in 2008. Despite this, it has consistently ranked near the bottom of the American League in attendance.

http://www.bnet.com/blog/sports-entertainment/with-9-teams-in-money-trouble-baseball-needs-to-start-pruning/426

The Yankees alone are worth more than the UFC.
Yes.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Aug 17, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Across all 30 teams? No.

But when 90% of the league is drawing >20k 81 times a year, I think they are doing alright.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 17, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

They don’t have to compete with them in multiple spots every day. They simply have to beat ratings in that specific time slot, which they should fairly easily if 3.7 to 4.2 is the mark without a big build-up and marquee game.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 18, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where was the UFC 8 years ago?

At this point, if the sport just continues to grow slowly, mainstream interest will have picked up greatly by 2020.

Leland is right. The contract is nearly a decade long and surely has escalators. If the UFC can get $120M a year, while FOX pays for production costs, I’m sure they will be happy with less PPV revenue.

I can easily see the fees doubling in 5 years.

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by TheFilt on Aug 17, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will they? I don't know

But if the sport continues to grow, and they avoid doing something stupid like going up against big draws like the NFL or college football, it’s absolutely possible.

The UFC has the advantage of being able to put on shows year round, rather than being confined to a season, and being able to show cut ups of the fighters last 2-3 fights to explain why a fight is significant, which allows them to create a product that’s closer to a television series than mainstream sports. If the UFC plays to their strengths and doesn’t shoot themselves in the foot, they could easily move to an all network/basic cable model over the 7-to-8 year life of the contract.

And if PPV is so profitable, why don’t all the really profitable sports use it? Why isn’t the Superbowl on PPV?

by Damnatio Memoriae on Aug 17, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why isn’t the Superbowl on PPV?

For the same reason that Walmart will always make more than Versace.

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by TheFilt on Aug 17, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walmart can’t do what Versace does, and vice versa. But there’s a very real possibility that within the next 7-to8 years, the UFC will be able to do what the major sports leagues do.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Aug 17, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

For sure, I'm agreeing with you

What I’m saying is there is way way way more money in marketing to the masses than marketing to a select few.

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by TheFilt on Aug 17, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

Sorry if I came off as overly defensive… it’s hard to infer someone’s tone from text alone, and I’m used to getting a prickly response from the “I like my niche sport and I don’t want to share it” crowd.

by Damnatio Memoriae on Aug 17, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not at all. :)

I realized after posting that that it was somewhat ambiguous.

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by TheFilt on Aug 17, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like MMA more than all those sports except football. But it will never compete with those team sports.

Too many variables. First of all team sports will always have way more star power. It will have more city/country loyalty. Each sport, although seasonal, will have more arena shows in one day than UFC puts on all year. Injuries can cancel a main event fight, but team A and team B will face each other no matter who’s hurt. Also, growing over the last ten years isn’t proof that will grow over the next ten. I think that as long as the rules favor wrestlers, it will eventual peak and go stale and never compete with anything. Bring back Pride rules, some soccer kicks, stomps, knees and kicks to downed oponents.

by djkrazykill on Aug 17, 2011 5:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree that locality centric sports will continue to dominate...

But I recently had the opportunity to watch an MMA card live with a sports fan that has only previously expressed interest in baseball and football. Just explaining to them the rudiments of jiu jitsu and wrestling I have learned from being an mma fan made them more interested in the fights and more apt to seek them out in the future. I think more exposure and knowledge of existing rules will do more towards furthering involvement than expansion to currently unacceptable strikes. (Pride rules do rule though)

by HarryBolsagna on Aug 17, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leland, a quick point about the ratings Fox expects and why it is potentially the the only real downside for the UFC: Fox is going to want much better ratings than they currently get on Saturday and much better ratings than what CBS was getting. First, they are paying a lot more money. Second, the shows they are currently playing are either reruns, syndicated, and/or much cheaper fair that also has replay ability. The UFC events are one time events that cost a lot more and have little self life to Fox. Third, Fox already has pretty good rating compared to CBS in regards to the key 18-34 young male demo, so they aren’t going to be as satisfied as the CBS brass was with a small showing.

All of these add up to mean the UFC is going to have to deliver, and deliver better than they’ve ever demonstrated being capable of. They might have to dip into their big draws to keep Fox happy – which will be good for us and our wallets – but will they risk the golden goose of ppv just to keep the networks happy? They might have to start turning o promoting their fighters over the UFC more than they’ve ever had to in order to create TV starts. It will be interesting.

by John Nash on Aug 17, 2011 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I went with 2x their normal Saturday ratings currently. 1.2 or 3.63 million. I figure 6 million is a good start. I believe they can do better than that pretty quickly.

But I’m not sold on the UFC having to dump all resources into cards. The easy availability of the cards on network along with the UFC brand itself will probably get 2 to 3 million tuning in regardless of who is fighting. I think they can put together a decent PPV quality non-super event and draw 5 to 6 million easily.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much do you think they are paying for Cops? Or making off reruns of the Cleveland Show and American Dad, two shows they already paid for? For $90 million, my guess is they’re going to want to see better numbers than even Kimbo got, maybe even comparable to the bigger college football numbers. I’m thinking they’re betting it can draw over 10 million viewers.

by John Nash on Aug 17, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about that. MLB doesn’t blow the ratings out of the water consistently. They have their big games every once and awhile and the playoffs. UFC isn’t on the same schedule though. Four events.

FOX will, for sure, want to see bigger number than the Kimbo event. 6 million average does that for them.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

FOX would market the shit out of the events too

That in itself would be huge for ratings and the UFC.

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by TheFilt on Aug 17, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope the UFC lost production control

Im tired of the stupid gladiator. Nothing says legitimate sport like a hark back to an actual game where people kill eachother. Its stupid on on every level in a addition to looking bad.

by Bombadilillo on Aug 17, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Please no Gus Johnson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hope they keep Rogan and add Schiavello (he does FoxSports in Australia)! That would be the ultimate commentary team on the Fox shows!

by BrandtShaft! on Aug 17, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

But thats two color guys.

I guess its a weird dynamic right now. All Mike says are comercials and “its all over” and yes-man things to Joe

by Bombadilillo on Aug 17, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schiavello is a play-by-play guy

He just adds a bit of color to his commentary =P

Typically Mezger or Trigg is the color guy while Schiavello calls the fights

by BrandtShaft! on Aug 17, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schiavello is a far better play by play man than Goldie.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schiavello, Bas and Couture.

Book it.

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by sBruce24 on Aug 17, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope

it’s going to be Bonnar and Gus on the FN cards :)

No sir, I don't like it.

by OmoPlata on Aug 17, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by sBruce24 on Aug 17, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bellybutton through the back!

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 17, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be the greatest

Head conductor of the Charles Oliveira hype train.

by Stiff Jab on Aug 17, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said months ago that networks would pay out the ass for the UFC

Everyone said they wouldn’t.

That is all.

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by TheFilt on Aug 17, 2011 3:18 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Schiavello is a play-by-play guy

He just adds a bit of color to his commentary =P

Typically Mezger or Trigg is the color guy while Schiavello calls the fights

by BrandtShaft! on Aug 17, 2011 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

The most interesting thing to me is that it might finally force the Zuffa brass to alter or even abandon the pro-wrestling model of promotion.

They haven’t been able to produce stars because they don’t let anyone get bigger than the promotion. Randy did some terrible movies, and Rampage did about the most high profile thing outside of the promotion with the A-Team movie. Even when Jon Jones did a recent Bud Light commercial, Dana White was right there as the centerpiece, and you would have had no idea who it was if not for White’s presence.

There’s been some major sponsor sightings (GSP for Under Armour and Gatorade, and the K Swiss spot with Jones and Urijah Faber) but most guys don’t get pushed except before a fight and with the same generic-ass Primetime/Countdown crap.

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by sBruce24 on Aug 17, 2011 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m pretty sure Condom Depot could sponsor half of FOX’s reality shows and nobody would even think twice.

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by sBruce24 on Aug 17, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is awesome

Zuffa should start a weekly show on Fox, and call it “Raw”. Then have Dana come in and play a bad guy. Then have theme music for each fighter. Then have Jon Fitch kick Josh Koscheck through a plate-glass window.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Aug 17, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Winner winner chicken dinner!

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

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by xFenixKnightx on Aug 17, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Dana White-Frank Shamrock feud would finally have a proper home.

I repeat my prediction that, to open the show, Dana will throw a fake Hall of Fame induction ceremony for Frank only to have the Diaz Bros. and Tito run in and jump him. Then Tito holds him up so Dana can smash the glass HoF trophy over his head.

Cut to KEN SHAMROCK WWE music.

Ken walks down the aisle, crowd going nuts, enters the cage. The Zuffa Corporation guys circle him nervously around the cage. Ken helps his brother up, and hugs him. Crowd roars. Ken then picks up the base of the shattered HoF trophy and…WHAM. Lays out Frank in the middle of the cage. Frank bleeding everywhere like vintage Flair.

Crowd booing and throwing beer cans into the cage now. Dana walks over to Ken and shakes his hand, then raises it. Ken has the smug, satisfied look on his face. Then Tito lays out Ken out of nowhere, and applies the Ankle Lock! Ken passes out from the pain. Diaz Bros. mean mugs abound, and Dana looks at the camera laughing. “No Chance” music hits. Cut to commercial.

Gold. Gold, I say.

/rant

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by sBruce24 on Aug 17, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

They could call it "WAR" since they already use the term

it would also be perfect since it is the reverse of RAW and thus would be the reverse of the WWE image they are trying to distance the UFC from. IT’S PERFECT!!!!!!

I really like the idea of KOS going through a window too. Maybe Crash Hardy can clothesline Fitch right after and pin him and run away with the Hardcore belt. I think I’m getting off track here……

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by soilworker on Aug 17, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrestling Dork alert

Think you meant Crash Holly, and unfortunately he hasn’t been among the living for almost a decade now.

Do Nothing Lightly.

by black dragon on Aug 20, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The network king of cancellations..

FOX canceled Firefly, need I say more. If this lasts more then 1 year ill be shocked.

by Screw-face on Aug 17, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

simpsons is still on the air

despite sucking for almost ten years. so yeah, apparently more needs to be said.

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by some schmuck in texas on Aug 17, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way I understood it, Firefly wasn’t really popular until after it had already been cancelled due to poor ratings.

No sir, I don't like it.

by OmoPlata on Aug 17, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here we go...

From Wikipedia:

“At the time the series was cancelled by Fox, it averaged 4.48 million viewers and ranked 125th”

So I guess that gives us at least an idea of how many viewers Fox is expecting when they use phrases like “move the needle” – they probably want at least ~6m anyway…

No sir, I don't like it.

by OmoPlata on Aug 17, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair

veiwership on Firefly tanked because they didn’t like the show so they aired it out of order and kept switching the time slot.

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by Chris Barton on Aug 17, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's just say...

Fox has made some huge mistakes

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by Stiff Jab on Aug 17, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never understood the love of firefly

I work in IT, and there are so many firefly fanboys i had to watch it and give it a shot.

I thought it was a terribly thought out show. Wood Stoves to heat the ship? Revolvers for weapons? They fly in a space ship for god sakes.

Glad it only lasted one season, I never understood the love for this show.

If Fox should have kept one Sci-Fi show it should have been Terminator : Sarah Connor Chronicles. That show was really becoming good. The big issue is that it costs a LOT of money to make a Sci Fi show, and FOX doesn’t want to spend it when they can make SHIT shows for cheap.

Sheeeeeeeee-it

by Clay Davis on Aug 18, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope they don't changet eh announcers

the SF guys are god awful and make me wish Thor would drop Mjolnir on me.

It has gotten to the point with the UFC guys that they are just “there” and nothing they say changes the experience. Watching SF is like someone stabbing my ears.

by dbcb on Aug 17, 2011 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Gotta think like a network TV exec

2 potential ideas for the shows on big fox:

1. lightweight grand prix

2. revamp the ultimate fighter as a network TV show, featuring actual UFC guys fighting to survive in the promotion

by Trust Doesn't Rust on Aug 17, 2011 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Revamped TUF

Needs to happen.

That is a no brainer. Now that it will be off spike it might actually be decent.

Oh and Spike without UFC is going down in flames, there is nothing on that station worth watching.

Sheeeeeeeee-it

by Clay Davis on Aug 18, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you are going to try and feed PPV interest off big network shows one of the better ways would be to do number one contenders bouts on Fox to build interest in a PPV where a title belt is on the line. Advertise the shit out of the fight as a number one contender fight and have the champ show up in the cage at the end for a national tv stare off. They could still deliver some strong star power on Fox without gutting their PPV business.

by who me on Aug 17, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

So keep copying pro wrestling?

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by TheFilt on Aug 17, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That’s an idea I was thinking, but I thought it might be too logical for the UFC to adopt.

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by DayGeaux on Aug 17, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

TUF on Fox

With all the shovelware reality TV the networks keep pumping out, TUF, even in its weaker value, would be better served on the main station than FX. (Granted FX is still an upgrade from Spike)

by The Burning Scheyer Jersey on Aug 17, 2011 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

how about a model like this

for example, Fox show: Co-main events of lighter-weight title fight + #1 contender fight for heavier division. Then like 2 weeks later, do a PPV headlined by title fight in the same division as the #1 contender from Fox show.

Say it ain't Cho

by Sean in Vancouver on Aug 17, 2011 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that’s in line with what I think they should do. Contender bouts lined up before title showdowns would be good.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 17, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

hypes the PPV, promotes the up-and-comers, and builds the profile of the lighter weight guys as well.

Say it ain't Cho

by Sean in Vancouver on Aug 17, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to MMAPayout.com, FOX drew a 1.2 rating, or 3.63 million viewers last Saturday night, giving us a clearer picture of what the UFC should hope to accomplish.

It’s summer (bad ratings time) and Fox no longer has America’s Most Wanted (or rather they finally canceled it), so their Saturday ratings are in the shitter like everyone else’s. During the normal tv season their Saturday average will probably be more like 5 million.

However, Fox is looking for young viewers (particularly male ones) and will compromise on total viewership for that (how much they will compromise will be economics). I’m sure they’d love to bring an influx of viewers who don’t normally watch Fox to their network as the UFC is something fans will follow around. As for simulcasting on the East and West coast I have no idea but it’s probably not impossible.

Basically there are a bunch of things for an against the expectations of Fox here so we’ll see. If ratings underperform exceptionally on Fox then they’ll not do the full 4 shows a year but I don’t expect that to be the case. $90 million a year is for the full package and they’d only not do 4 shows a year on Fox’s broadcast network if they could put something else on that would be more beneficial. Since they’ll just be airing on nights when they’d otherwise be airing repeats of COPS and whatever ends up permanently in the 9-10 PM slot, and because they’re willing to compromise on viwership for good demographics, it’s hard to conceive of this being a flop.

Hell, if the UFC performs well enough Fox and the UFC might renegotiate something where they have more shows annually on Fox.

by Chromium on Aug 17, 2011 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

The UFC was adamant about not giving up production control in all of their previous attempts at network, subscription-based, and cable channel deals, so there is some interest in whether they had to give any up in order to get this deal done. FOX’s Sports Division did not want to give up control in previous discussions of a deal. So, who caved? Will we see recently hired FOX commentator Gus Johnson next to Joe Rogan? I imagine FOX may have won the battle with the UFC asking to maintain their commentary staff.

This is a really good question and I hope to fucking God I don’t have to hear Gus Johnson as a UFC commentator. I didn’t even know that happened and had assumed the UFC would maintain the vast majority of production control. Couldn’t they have hired Bas Rutten instead? Bas Rutten makes the whole world brighter.

There is still speculation regarding where the UFC will actually air. FOX obviously has up to four events to work with, and FX will receive most of the UFC’s content with Fuel TV acting as a supplementary network. Fox Sports Network and all of the regional affiliates were not named in the details of the deal, but those networks could act as a prime location for late night programming to further saturate the market with UFC-branded content.

Fuel TV will only air “shoulder programming” I would think, not original content unless it was something like a fighter-profile documentary series or something like that. Most likely new episodes of UFC Unleashed (and older episodes too once Spike loses the rights to those at the end of 2012) and re-airings of UFC Primetime which is something they already air. Fox will use the maximum number of airings unless it underperforms badly because the $90 million deal is for everything, and the threshold for what might be more beneficial than the UFC for Fox to air on Saturday right now is awfully low. Local affiliates may or may not have an influence on whether these are two or three hour shows but late-night programming on said local affiliates would be directly controlled through them by whatever the UFC offers as syndicated programming (is Unleashed syndicated on top of airing on Spike? I’m kind of curious). It wouldn’t actually go through Fox although obviously if a specific affiliate is already a Fox affiliate then UFC syndicated programming is going to be more attractive to them.

I’m kind of curious what ends up on FX. I assume The Ultimate Fighter will live on, but that’s a show badly in need of a face lift and I imagine FX would have higher ratings expectations than Spike, even with the UFC’s lovely demographics. I also don’t think the UFC could get away with dumping completely irrelevant main-events on Ultimate Fight Nights on FX to the degree they’ve been doing on Spike.

Sponsorship money for fighters should increase, and it will be interesting to see how the UFC deals with fighters who want some sort of cut in the money for drawing in bigger ratings on network cards. Will that come out of the advertising revenue they grab from those cards?

Fighters trying to get more revenue out of those cards should be a non-factor. PPV will still be the primary revenue source for the UFC and on one level the Fox shows will just be advertising for their PPV product. The extra attention the UFC gets from Fox should be great though. This is another huge step towards real mainstream acceptance, which they still don’t quite have, despite how incredibly far they’ve come. I still can’t get into conversations about the UFC except about basic stuff with one guy (and this is with a man whose son is training for MMA), but when it comes to baseball it seems everyone but me is a superfan. I’d love to be able to talk like an MMA nerd at work.

What companies are out there that cater to a larger portion of the 18-34 demographic? Is Nike or Gatorade something that the UFC could eventually reel in? The new deal could bring in some big fish.

Does Nike sell MMA gear? If not then I dunno. Gatorade? Sure. They already have an increasing number of mainstream brands associated with them so Gatorade isn’t a huge stretch.

Will the UFC attempt to use other brands to fill voids in the cable landscape? Could they resurrect the WEC or PRIDE and work out a deal with Spike TV? I highly doubt it considering Spike TV’s parent company already has a deal with Bellator, but perhaps they move one of those entities back into the fold with Comcast/NBC or Showtime. I don’t expect it, but crazier things have happened.

Spike would take Strikeforce over Bellator I think and MTV Networks (which owns Spike directly) wouldn’t mind. The UFC could snuff out Bellator there if they really wanted to in this manner if they offered Strikeforce to Spike as an exclusive home (maybe doing two PPVs a year or something), with an exclusivity contract prohibiting Bellator from landing there. They could also continue to air Best Of Pride shows on Spike. Somehow I don’t think this will happen.

by Chromium on Aug 17, 2011 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Fan post

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by TheFilt on Aug 17, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nike sells training gear. That’s the tie-in

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by Leland Roling on Aug 18, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

if it's eyeballs they're after

now would be the time to start pushing the individual fighters ahead of the brand.

pushing the brand made sense to get this deal, but in the end people don’t relate with a brand as much as they do with a person esp. in an individual sport like MMA. Even in a team sport like football, fans around the world support individuals such as Rooney, Ronaldinho, Drogba, Torres (please give more relevant examples I don’t follow football).

by jwalker on Aug 17, 2011 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

They kind of have that and they kind of don’t. There are individual stars in the UFC and they really do seem to be trying to hard to create new ones but you can’t always control how often they come along. One benefit in a team sport if a team loses, it’s not generally the star’s fault. You can’t say the same thing when one guy loses a fight.

What would be best for the UFC is if they were able to do what the NBA did in the Jordan era: create a whole lot of different stars to the point where there were recognizable players on almost every team, with a few mega stars above that. By historical standards the UFC has done a really good job making folks care about mid-card talent though, even if they still need to create new stars.

by Chromium on Aug 17, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being on network TV means that the UFC needs to class up

This means no more sexual harassment, hobophobia, and Dana White flipouts. The UFC will be available to a mainstream broadcast TV audience now, and it can’t go around blowing stuff like this off. No doubt it does nothing to change uninformed opinions of this sport, and if the UFC wants to expand into the national mainstream, which is what a move like this signals, then it needs to take a page from WWE by cleaning up its act and to uphold a high standard of professionalism that in too many instances is sorely lacking right now.

by magnetic on Aug 17, 2011 8:02 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

He obviously never saw the fine documentary film ‘Hobo with a Shotgun’.

by Steve4192 on Aug 18, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

sounds mortifying

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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 18, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm scared already

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by Chris Hall on Aug 18, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, Dana definitely needs to stop being so timid about featuring homeless people on his fight cards. Bumfights made a lot of money for a reason you know.

by Chromium on Aug 17, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Being on network TV means that the UFC needs to class up"

But this is FOX we’re talking about.

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by SSreporters on Aug 17, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dana White- meet Rupert Murdoch. Dude makes you look like mother Theresa.

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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 17, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

mmalogic said that they're moving strikeforce to showtime

now hes an idiot, but the guy has been right about things that have sounded stupider before and that’d be a hell of a idea

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by milk72 on Aug 17, 2011 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

*strikeforce to spike

been a long day

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by milk72 on Aug 17, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly I think he's just guessing about this shit

Also what he said specifically was that the UFC planned to offer Spike three different branding options (Strikeforce, WEC, or Pride) for said MMA show. Combine this with some of the other comments he’s made about Bellator and just nonsensical insults he’s made, I don’t think he’s actually in the know. He also claimed Showtime already made the decision not to renew their contract with Zuffa. This is not a decision that they would be making yet, regardless of whether there is truth to the notion that they have to make that decision by September (honestly that doesn’t particularly make sense either). Since other people on the UG seem to think he may have some sort of source I’m not ready to dismiss him completely but it’s still very hard to take him seriously.

That being said, Strikeforce going to Spike TV would have some limited benefit. Mainly it would snuff out Bellator, and they could do this while still doing like two Strikeforce PPVs a year if they so wished. I don’t think Zuffa actually cares to snuff out Bellator or they would have been more aggressive about it already. Bellator remains their primary competitor for relevant talent (Dream being the other one), but if Bellator disappears the UFC might legitimately open themselves up to an antitrust investigation, since their control over significant talent in American MMA will become total. Also Bellator might still die even with a Spike TV deal.

by Chromium on Aug 18, 2011 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think so. I’ve heard multiple tips from people around Bellator that Spike TV has been attending Bellator shows, etc.

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by Leland Roling on Aug 18, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why wouldn't they?

Probably got free tickets, and everyone loves free MMA.

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by iiowyn on Aug 18, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so,

I get MTV2 back home at my parent’s house, but not up at school.

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by ElliotMatheny on Aug 18, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting times

This network deal is going to make it or break it for MMA as a whole. It has to succeed here or it will never be considered a mainstream sport in the eyes of the populous.

Sheeeeeeeee-it

by Clay Davis on Aug 17, 2011 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

UFC 136 will air on FOX

I could be wrong, but it would make a ton of sense. I think it will be announced tomorrow.

by Karl Hamner on Aug 17, 2011 11:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

thats in october I doubt the SPIKE contracts would let them do that though they have that network provision which was why they were on ION

thats in october I doubt the SPIKE contracts would let them do that though they have that network provision which was why they were on ION

If thats real though holy mother of god yes saved my self 50bucks

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by MaZZacare on Aug 18, 2011 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

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