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Golden Glory Head Bas Boon on UFC/Strikeforce Firings

Golden Glory fighter and former Strikeforce Heavyweight champion Alistair Overeem. Photo by Dave Mandel for Sherdog.

One of the big stories from the past few weeks has been the UFC and Strikeforce release of fighters from Golden Glory gym, including Alistair Overeem, Valentijn Overeem, Marloes Coenen, and Jon Olav Einemo. We've heard from Dana White and Scott Coker on this issue, plus opinions and analysis from Dave Meltzer and Bas Rutten, but so far, Golden Glory themselves have remained relatively silent.

Now, we have some comments on the situation by outspoken Golden Glory head Bas Boon, who spoke to Fighters Only about this issue, and has a lot of interesting information to add.

At the heart of this dispute seems to be the structure of fighter payments, with Golden Glory insisting that payments be made directly to them, while Dana White states that the payments must go to the fighters. According to Dana, they could not come to terms on this issue, and so the fighters were released. In his statement, Boon says that since the Zuffa buyout, their fighters have been paid directly (including Einemo, who fought in the UFC), but that this was not their original deal with Strikeforce:

The problems with Strikeforce was that we made some agreements with Scott [Coker] which were creating headaches now Zuffa took over.

The fighters were paid in the previous Strikeforce bouts to an account of the management without any problems, yet UFC claimed this was impossible.

He also points out issues with Zuffa forcing out some of the Strikeforce sponsors, which cost his fighters sponsorship money:

[T]he fighters were loosing sponsors as the UFC took over Strikeforce as they implemented their new rules. If you can sponsor the fighter you should sponsor the organization first.

I understand this from a business point of few, but some companies can't effort to pay 100K or more to an organization. And some fighters getting 5 or 10K in sponsorship is were they actually can make some good money. We just wanted the things as they were before, but it was far from what it was before.

But perhaps the most interesting part comes when Boon discusses the working relationship he had with Coker prior to the Zuffa purchase:

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Behind the scene I was preparing a great deal for corporation between Strikeforce, Dream, K-1 and Glory to do something great together with Scott ( this included a tv channel and footage deal). I introduced Scott thru a partner of mine in LA to some powerful people in the US (Scott was very surprised after this meeting and exited and mailed me after his meeting with these people how impressed he was). I never could have guessed that at the same moment I was talking to Scott to make a massive move for becoming a real competitor to the UFC, Scott was already talking with the same UFC for selling Strikeforce.

There has already been mention of the fact that Golden Glory is looking to increase their MMA promotion through their expanding United Glory division (which is run by Martijn de Jong, not Boon), and speculation that this desire to expand into UFC markets may have played a part in the releases. If Boon was working with Coker to try and put together a group of organizations to become a true competitor to the UFC, you can see why Dana would be less inclined to keep promoting the Golden Glory fighters.

As to the future, Boon remains optimistic, hoping they can work things out. He is also explicit about the terms he is willing to negotiate (emphasis added):

We did not have a choice and never said we would not fight in the future or that we would refuse to work like this in the future (we worked out that problem with the Zuffa lawyer in the Vancouver and even agreed with their new sponsor policies). Maybe there is a miscommunication and Danna was not well informed that the direct payment issue was solved and no longer an issue as I myself have been in and out hospital for two weeks because of heath issues ( the reason why this press release is so late).

Anyway we regret the response from Zuffa and the releases, but it is their company and they can do what they want, we would like to keep working in the future with the UFC and with this statement I cleary say that direct payment to any of our fighter was not a problem and will not be a problem in the future.

We just want to be able to produce great fighters and create great fights for the fans, we have no intention for Co-promotion deals and are even willing to make an exclusive deal for Alistair Overeem to fight in the UFC, if the terms are right.

At this point, I find it hard to imagine Dana bringing the Golden Glory fighters right back into the Zuffa fold, but hopefully this leaves the door open for at least Alistair Overeem to return down the road.

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I’m sold. Valentin vs Cain!

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by crinow on Aug 11, 2011 11:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

valentijn by toe hold!

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by killphil on Aug 11, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL!

Gotdamn! This is one of the single greatest comments I’ve ever read on BE, Good job sir!

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by SentientAndroid on Aug 11, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very interesting stuff

Most guys talked about how much more they liked having SF run by ZUFFA, this is the first someone said anything really negative but it makes sense, GG clearly had a lot of influence over the old regime.

Nice to hear Boon say direct fighter payments isn’t a problem. Hopefully he is right and it was just a mix up so these guys can get new contracts.

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2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
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by Chris Barton on Aug 11, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully, you're right, but I'm not holding my breath

Everyone’s stories just don’t add up. You get the sense that there is more going on behind the scenes. Boon said himself that the lawyers worked out the payment structure to the fighters and it just doesn’t seem like a big enough issue to cut ties with almost all GG fighters.

Maybe it’s just DW micromanaging and flexing a little bit to keep fighters and their management in line? Maybe GG is more serious about forming a serious organization to compete with the UFC (although it doesn’t make sense to throw that information out in an interview)?

The whole story just isn’t out there yet and both sides are trying to put their spin on it.

by Jobumoplata on Aug 11, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the organization end they get a lot of accolades, but they received a shit ton of complaints over their handling of the sponsorship tax.

by John Nash on Aug 11, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also
willing to make an exclusive deal for Alistair Overeem to fight in the UFC, if the terms are right.

Things like this and A.O. saying the new contract they offered him was SF exclusive really make me think a lot of this was a power play to get Reem into the UFC.

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2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Aug 11, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I tend to agree, and the more I look at all of the details I suspect that Overeem’s interview was the tipping point for Zuffa – they don’t seem to mind guys playing pseudo-hardball with them, to a point, but as soon as they feel someone is playing a little too hard – cut them off at the knees…

The fact that Dana has not done his “scorched earth” thing with Overeem or GG leads me to believe the door is still cracked open for something to happen down the road.

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by The American Ronin on Aug 11, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

And I’m actually pretty impressed with Boon’s damage control here. He focuses primarily on the payment issue Dana brought up while making allowances for what went wrong in negotiations. Hopefully, this can lead to negotiations opening back up.

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by Chris Hall on Aug 11, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should have qualified that -
they don’t seem to mind guys playing pseudo-hardball with them, to a point,

So long as it is behind closed doors.

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by The American Ronin on Aug 11, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Marloes?

She was holding a major belt just a few weeks ago. Strikeforce women’s MMA needs more talent

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by nannerb on Aug 11, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Strikeforce WMMA is headed for extinction. I don’t think the brass is overly concerned.

by Worldisart on Aug 11, 2011 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

"Fra-Gee-Lay"

Must be Italian….

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by esquilinho on Aug 11, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m guessing an MMA organization like Bellator or ProElite is going to be the new home for Womens MMA.

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by chrisbboy82 on Aug 11, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry

I couldn’t get over the grammar and spelling mistakes. Come on, you’re a professional, at least spell Dana’s name correctly.

by Democritus on Aug 11, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

You know, not everyone in the world speaks English as their first language. Perhaps credit him for trying his best at a language he’s not so comfortable with instead of bashing him for it.

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by Fraser Coffeen on Aug 11, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would venture to say that he could probably email it to someone in the US and pay them $10 an hour to edit it

It’s not really a big deal, but doing the little things is kinda the definition of “professionalism”.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 11, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just my opinion, but I think part of the fault lies with Fighters Only. I’ve done e-mail interviews with people who don’t speak English all that well in the past, and have always cleaned up their spelling/small grammar mistakes and e-mailed it back to them for approval. Seems like the right thing to do if you’re going to ask them to comment in a language that is best for you, but not best for them. But maybe that’s just me, and I don’t see it as a huge deal either way.

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by Fraser Coffeen on Aug 12, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope they can work this out

Overeem talent prime will be wasted if he’s fighting journeyman in Europe and Japan for the next two years. Just get this shit done and move forward.

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by Charles Awad on Aug 11, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Aww man

He might want to spell check his press releases before he shoots them off.

If he can’t even spell Dana’s name right, how is the UFC going to take these guys seriously?

In any case, hope this opens the door for GG fighters to make new deals. I need the reem in the UFC!

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by Peter Nathaniel Fury on Aug 11, 2011 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

"powerful people"

does this guy know that superman is not real?

by mlkj100 on Aug 11, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, really.

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by alicks on Aug 11, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fun Fact:

That’s the third man to have two victories over Matt Hughes, and out of those three men he’s the only one who Hughe’s doesn’t have a win over. Crazy…

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by SentientAndroid on Aug 11, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I should’ve worded it that he’s ONE of the ONLY three men to hold two victories over Hughes.

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by SentientAndroid on Aug 11, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you wanna get really grammar nazi about it...

You should have said:

“He’s one of three men…”

“One of only…” is redundant, and “one of the only three…” is a contradiction in terms.

http://grammarsnot.blogspot.com/2007/11/only-two.html

by skeebop on Aug 11, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey...

Hey guy, STFU!

Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!

by SentientAndroid on Aug 11, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha nah I’m just messin with ya

Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!

by SentientAndroid on Aug 11, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not exactly
"one of the only three…" is a contradiction in terms.

How do we know there isn’t another group of three men who have 2 wins over Hughes? :)

But seriously, only can also mean ‘few’.

3. few: one of the only areas not yet explored

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by TheFilt on Aug 11, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure there is more to these releases than what Dana said about the payment thing. Although nobody seems to want to consider that it could have been some sort of issue. Zuffa is pretty tight on their contracts and if the contract was written that way, even if GG was ‘saying’ it’s ok to pay the fighters directly… that might have not been good enough for Zuffa. They would want the contracts stating that.

But even at that, I’m sure it’s more of a hard nose play to get Overeem in or out finally.

by JeremyShane on Aug 11, 2011 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

This interview and AO’s interview on Inside MMA are the only credible sources of information that I’ve seen on this matter. Can any thinking person believe Dana’s insistence that the critical issue preventing a deal is the payment issue ? Sure it might have been a factor but I’m sure the sponsorship issue, exclusivity to SF , and AO’s inability to fight in Sept were much larger issues to overcome as it relates to extending his SF contract. Obviously, Dana isn’t happy about AO taking the negotiations public when he was on the MMA Hour with Helwani but I dont think it mattered to the outcome. I’m also not buying the slanderous rumor that AO threatened to reneg on his current deal to fight his last fight on his contract. It plays into Zuffa’s hand to have a legit reasonto cut AO now rather than continue with his contract or sweeten the deal to extend it.

 I guess I’m sticking to my original tired thesis that Zuffa felt like they couldn’t swipe him out of the tourney and throw him in a UFC PPV for fear of Showtime taking them to court. Cutting AO now and resigning him to the UFC after he’s been an uncontracted fighter for a few months should take care of that issue. My assumption that AO is worth 200k+/fight are based on the opinion that AO v. Mir or AO v. Kongo can sell more PPVs than then say Belfort v. Akiyami (both are co-mainevent status)

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by Hardy's in your face on Aug 11, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

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