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Haterade: The 9 Types of Fighters You Love to Hate

 

As sports fans, we all have teams we hate. I was born and raised a fan of Ducks football. It is a gross understatement to say that I live for that team. It is also a statement about how pathetic my life is. My Dad is from Eugene, and my allegiance to his team was not optional growing up. As such, you will not be surprised to hear that I hate USC. Also Penn State, Ohio State, and Auburn. But enough about me.                             

Who you root for as a basketball fan dictates who you hate. Same with baseball, football, hockey, and so on. Hating fighters is often a different matter. I find the world of “fighter hate” to be an often confusing place. Sometimes the things that make one person hate a fighter make another person love them (e.g. Chael Sonnen). Often people demand reasonable justification, and a shitstorm ensues. If you need to find an example, just look up any article about Brian Stann and go through the comments section. Or you can just imagine an argument between your conservative grandfather and someone who loves the phrase “American Imperialism.”

My goal here is to go through 9 of the different categories of fighters you hate, why you hate them, and then give examples. I’m sure this list isn’t exhaustive, so feel free to add your own. It’ll be fun!

Disclaimer: I am keeping my opinions to myself here. The fighters I list below simply seem to fit the categories I have in mind. I do not hate all of them, or even most of them. However, if you read closely you will find one case where I do share my opinion. It’s like “Where’s Waldo”, but with words.

 

The Point Fighter

Whether it’s “lay and pray” or “jab and jive”, these asshats have found a way to win a fight without really fighting. Dear god, you hate them for that. The worst part isn’t even enduring 15 (or 25) minutes of agitation and/or boredom. You have to deal with those New Yorker reading, monocle wearing, brandy swilling fans who “get it” and love to call you Captain Just-Bleed because you want to watch something other than the Great American Dance Off. These fans make you want to “punch a hole in your monitor.”

Examples: Dominick Cruz, Nik Lentz

 

Mr. “I didn’t do it”

Nobody likes a cheater. But if you own up to it, apologize, and promise to be a good boy most of us can forgive you. However, if you continue to deny any wrongdoing in the face of evidence to the contrary, you come across like a 10 year old who just broke old man Jenkins’ window and won’t fess up. “No Mom, it wasn’t me. Two other kids came and stole my baseball and threw it through his window. I swear!” Or how about “ But Mom, I only did it because I’m moody! I must have low T!” We’re not buying it, just like Mom didn’t. These morons get grounded by the athletic commission and come back. But we won’t forget.

Examples: Josh Barnett, Nate Marquardt

 

He beat your guy

Nothing wrong with this person really. Oh, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT THEY BEAT THE MOST AWESOME FIGHTER EVER AND RUINED EVERYTHING! We all have a little fanboy or girl inside us. Perhaps you grew to love the lethal high kicks of Cro Cop. Or maybe you thought the Ice Man was dreamy. When your favorites are crushed before your eyes, you can never forgive the monster who destroyed your dreams. Bitterness takes root. I have a solution, fair readers, that has worked for me: voodoo dolls.

Examples: Gabriel Gonzaga, Rashad Evans

 

Won a bad decision

It isn’t their fault. You know that. It isn’t like they kidnapped the judges’ children and held them hostage before the fight. But what if they did? There is no other conceivable explanation for how that fight was scored. Better play it safe, and jump on the “I hate Fighter X” bandwagon. Let’s all just hope little Suzy makes it home in one piece.

Examples: Lyoto Machida, Leonard Garcia

 

The Excuse Machine

Everyone loses, but not these guys. At least they don’t lose to their opponents. They lose to things like lactic acidosis and lingering neck injuries. Whether these excuses are true or not, the fighter comes across like an ungracious loser and a whiny punk. Oh, and if you win don’t do this either. You still sound like an asshole when you say “I just kneebarred this fool and I have MRSA, WHAT NOW BITCH!?”

Examples: Tito Ortiz, Shane Carwin

 

The Douche

Maybe this guy likes to make a habit out of taunting his opponents while he’s in the cage. Maybe he engages in over the top twitter wars with Brazilians. Maybe he’s named Michael Bisping. Whatever the action, this guy is a disrespectful douche. This is martial arts gol’durnit. Show a little respect for your opponent instead of spitting on them or saying your niece hits harder than they do. Now get off my lawn!

Examples: Michael Bisping, Nick and Nate Diaz

 

The Sanctimonious Asshole

They might not just come out and say it, but these people love to smell their own farts. They fucking love it. This fact frightens and disturbs you. Also they will not shut the fuck up about something they have done, how selfless they are, how humble they are, etc. Perhaps they think that their military service gives them a license to denigrate the pain of others. Perhaps the Sanctimonious Asshole thinks God himself came down from on high and decreed that they would be champion. What’s that you say? You think I have two very specific people in mind? Well why would you say that?

Examples: Jon Jones, Tim Kennedy

 

HE WRONGED ME!

I’ve been trying to make sure this post doesn’t get personal. I couldn’t resist this one. For my birthday a while back my wife flew my best friend out to Chicago. The visit was planned around one event: UFC 112. You see, my friend and I talk about MMA all the time. We’re both huge fans. But for some reason we had never watched a fight together. It was to be a magical night, full of high fives and perhaps a bro-hug or two. Then Anderson Silva walked into the Octagon and proceeded to take a huge dump on my evening. I will never forgive you Silva, NEVER!

Example: I think I made myself clear.

 

Just because

This is the guy you hate, but you just can’t figure out why. Sure you might fabricate some reasons, but deep down you know the truth. It’s like when you see someone walking down the street and think to yourself, “I bet that guy is a prick.” Why? Because he just looks like a prick. Don’t window dress it folks, embrace it. I know I have. I mean, just look at his face and tell me it doesn’t make you angry.

Example: Urijah Faber


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Thanks man, I appreciate it.

I’d keep your cousin close in your thoughts, given that the NCAA is poised to bring the hammer down on account of this recruiting fiasco.

"All noble things are as difficult as they are rare."
- Baruch Spinoza

by Avap on Jul 8, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was really lame how all the Montreal fans booed Machida @ 113 for the Shogun rematch. It’s not like he ran to the judges table and crane kicked all 3 of them and then changed their scorecards…..Actually maybe he should have done that.

Sig betting against The-gentle-way is like playing Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic weapon. The only thing he knows more about than fighting is pleasing women, and my girlfriend is thankful for that.

by Earl Montclair on Jul 8, 2011 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Apparently that negative karma resulted in the Rampage/Machida decision.

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by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was gonna rec this

because I thought it was pretty good until you said you hate Urijah just because.

by BlueKrew on Jul 8, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

This one is you
He beat your guy

Sig betting against The-gentle-way is like playing Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic weapon. The only thing he knows more about than fighting is pleasing women, and my girlfriend is thankful for that.

by Earl Montclair on Jul 8, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

word

rec’d

"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."

"Do you lie awake alone at night, admiring my gash?"
-Lord Varys

by John Danaher's Hair on Jul 8, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

dont be coy...

its the chin…

I'd rather be hated for who I am, then to be loved for who I am not.

by I Like Pie on Jul 8, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ahhhhhh!

Maybe it’s because i’m from California he resembles everything I am and see everyday so I have a mancrush on him(yes homo)

by BlueKrew on Jul 8, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everything

about this seems right to me. Thank you for putting it into words.

by TMadeBurner on Jul 10, 2011 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate The Sanctimonious Asshole's the most.

And Chael Sonnen should have an entire category for his own self.

Fighter, lover and all around awesome.

by Sebastiaan Tauran on Jul 8, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

My “Just Because” is CB Dolloway. I don’t know why I don’t like him, but I don’t, and it will never change.
Carwin is another good example for the “Sanctimonious Asshole”, although I haven’t noticed any of that holier-than-thou attitude from him in months.

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by zakkree on Jul 8, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

4. Complaining about the reffing every time he is stopped
5. His face

"I knew I hurt him cause when I throw the elbow he went ugghh" - GSP

by Baby Wads on Jul 8, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing CB ever did that was good for him and me was that human centipede guillotine reversal sequence with Doerkson

Sig betting against The-gentle-way is like playing Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic weapon. The only thing he knows more about than fighting is pleasing women, and my girlfriend is thankful for that.

by Earl Montclair on Jul 8, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That final squeeze

should be the benchmark for Joe when he is making the decision to say “Its in deep Mike”. Truly a glorious sub

by hardlyworking on Jul 9, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that and his Peruvian necktie, I think the only one in the UFC

by Jeffigatame on Jul 9, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s like his theme song is “I’m too Sexy” by Right Said Fred.

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by SentientAndroid on Jul 9, 2011 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Mine is Nate Diaz.

I hate that guy. I don’t know why.

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by Llewdor on Jul 8, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

you don't know why?

Nate hate is pretty easy to attain- the reasons lie close to the surface.

"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."

"Do you lie awake alone at night, admiring my gash?"
-Lord Varys

by John Danaher's Hair on Jul 8, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Diaz love/hate is pretty polarizing

I personally love Nate and his antics.

209 bitch!

by hardlyworking on Jul 9, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

mmmmm Yeah…….I’m gonna have to replace Faber with Brandon Vera. “Champion in 2 weight classes!” Maybe you should win one first. Thank you and good niiiiiiiight!

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by kenpoboy67 on Jul 8, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

My irrational hate is the Diaz brothers

I don’t mind their smack talk, I enjoy their fighting style, but something about them makes me root for every opponent they face. Well now that Nick Diaz fights GSP I will be rooting for him actually, but I dislike them without being completely sure why

And this is coming from a Michael Bisping, Chael Sonnen, Brock Lesnar or Tito Ortiz fan

by DarthKitty on Jul 8, 2011 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Love it.

These are all pretty spot on.

What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.

by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks man.

I appreciate it.

"All noble things are as difficult as they are rare."
- Baruch Spinoza

by Avap on Jul 10, 2011 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

How about the "Yankees" category

People hate the Yankees just because they are the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be. I “hate” GSP because he is the Yankees of MMA. Many people hate Ando Silva, and hate(d) Fedor for similar reasons.

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by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 8, 2011 4:57 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Good one.

This is the only reason to hate Fedor.

Fighter, lover and all around awesome.

by Sebastiaan Tauran on Jul 8, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

His unwillingness to evolve makes me dislike not hate him

by PML on Jul 8, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Nope

People hate the Yankees because their fans suck.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Jul 8, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Red Sox, too

/yes, I’m a bitter O’s fan. And David Ortiz is a crybaby. You weren’t even hit! Just run to first!

"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King

by duck on Jul 9, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dodgers too. Super douche fans.

Not all of them… But most of them. I guess you can say the same about everyone from LA.

by Sqwibbs on Jul 11, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is one I forgot for sure. Most GSP and Silva haters fall into this one. Except me. I have a far better reason to hate Silva. Fuck Anderson Silva.

"All noble things are as difficult as they are rare."
- Baruch Spinoza

by Avap on Jul 9, 2011 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

hilarious

These were great; coming from a Faber fan ;)

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by BoulderDodger on Jul 8, 2011 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks man.

Nothing personal against Faber. He has not given me one legitimate reason to dislike him. Seems like a stand up dude. But goddamn, there is something about him that I hate which I can’t put my finger on.

"All noble things are as difficult as they are rare."
- Baruch Spinoza

by Avap on Jul 10, 2011 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Next up:

The 5 blog posters you love to hate.

go.

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by A.K on Jul 8, 2011 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Fuck that fat hump.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 9, 2011 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

the only warnings I've ever received here...

were all from Snowden.

"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."

"Do you lie awake alone at night, admiring my gash?"
-Lord Varys

by John Danaher's Hair on Jul 8, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The last one was especially cool.

“Glad to ban you on my last day. Bye. -Jonathan”

For saying “you must be trolling.”

Fighter, lover and all around awesome.

by Sebastiaan Tauran on Jul 8, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not

but seriously, you had some of those bans coming. ;)

1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Jul 8, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nuh-uh :(

Fighter, lover and all around awesome.

by Sebastiaan Tauran on Jul 9, 2011 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

geez

I would post links or quotes from past articles of his to highlight inconsistencies or to frame an argument and he would accuse me of getting “personal.”

"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."

"Do you lie awake alone at night, admiring my gash?"
-Lord Varys

by John Danaher's Hair on Jul 8, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re hilarious. You’d post random ill conceived and unrelated potshots. Just completely off topic – over and over again. If it was up to me the only commenters would be nottheface, VirtualBalboa, Subo, and mmalogic in a constant and never ending fight to the death.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 8, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah

you took it the wrong way when you’d get sensitive and address every dissenting comment in a thread. You took it personally when I would bring up other pieces of yours, when I never meant it to be. You may have proven my points wrong or pointed out an inaccuracy in my post, but they were never completely irrelevant or viciously personal. When I apologized for coming off that way, you didn’t accept it, so it is what it is. I’m far from the first person who’s experienced that kind of interaction with you and I know that our debates were far from the most inappropriate or contentious that you’ve had… I guess being that you only approve of 4 commenters here it would make sense that you don’t enjoy debating the rest of us.

"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."

"Do you lie awake alone at night, admiring my gash?"
-Lord Varys

by John Danaher's Hair on Jul 9, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

No offense but I don’t remember any of that. I like your username though.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 9, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

none taken

you have interacted with way more people on here than I have.

"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."

"Do you lie awake alone at night, admiring my gash?"
-Lord Varys

by John Danaher's Hair on Jul 9, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

besides...

I’ve complimented you plenty of times. I’ve agreed with you many times- I wouldn’t just jump into every article of yours and troll without reading it (like many did). When I agreed I shared my thoughts, same for when I didn’t.

"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."

"Do you lie awake alone at night, admiring my gash?"
-Lord Varys

by John Danaher's Hair on Jul 9, 2011 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

(blushes)

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 9, 2011 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

My money is on mmalogic in that matchup

No matter what he gets hit with, he’s completely unfazed.; it doesn’t even slow him down.

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by CasualMMAFan on Jul 9, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, only half your warnings were from me. Facts!

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 8, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I"m surprised by that...

I guess I just remember yours best… xo

"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."

"Do you lie awake alone at night, admiring my gash?"
-Lord Varys

by John Danaher's Hair on Jul 9, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow

You got all five correct!

by gabriezim on Jul 9, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

Rec’d

"I can be friends with anybody. Man. Woman. Cat. Dog. Fish..... Alien." -Rampage

by Charles Awad on Jul 8, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

he up and vanished one day

im just waiting for the “i’m back” post and subsequent shenanigans

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by milk72 on Jul 8, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

What an egofuck that post will be

I cant imagine the level of neediness required to do such a thing…………….

Sig betting against The-gentle-way is like playing Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic weapon. The only thing he knows more about than fighting is pleasing women, and my girlfriend is thankful for that.

by Earl Montclair on Jul 8, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're still mad

That he called you out on the BROCKLESNAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! v. Cain Velasquez fiasco.

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by Chris Hall on Jul 8, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t tell if you’re mocking him or not. Either way, that guys was an incomparable tool.

by Hummus5989 on Jul 10, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm honored

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do they hate you so.

I remember you from fightlinker podcasts. But at that time I was not on BE.

by UncleMax on Jul 11, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff

At first, I thought this was an updated version of my heel-types fanpost, but you’ve gone beyond that to include fighting styles people hate. Nice.

"I can be friends with anybody. Man. Woman. Cat. Dog. Fish..... Alien." -Rampage

by Charles Awad on Jul 8, 2011 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

i hate rick story, mike pierce, jake ellenberger, and brian foster cause they're the same person

wheres that category

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by milk72 on Jul 8, 2011 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

They aren't at all though.

Pierce is stocky built and Brian Foster sucks. Ellenberger has one punch Ko power, Story fucking RIPS his body shots.

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by pdl on Jul 8, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"Vanilla Midgets"

To be honest, I think that Wanda Sykes commercial where she warns the teenagers about throwing around the word "gay" because it contains such offensive connotations actually makes a really good point...No Homo.

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by Fake Emcee on Jul 9, 2011 5:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about a category for “Annoying Post-fight Celebration” For fighters like Brandon Vera and Jamie Varner. There’s bound to be more but I can’t think of any right now

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by StevenGiles on Jul 8, 2011 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Tito Ortiz and Thiago Silva are the main offenders here.

by Paulo Filho's Psychiatrist on Jul 8, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Learn JiuJitsu.
Always looking for that new danger.

by RolloTomasi on Jul 9, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Tito his routine is cool too. So yeah.

Fighter, lover and all around awesome.

by Sebastiaan Tauran on Jul 8, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

ehhhh

not in my opinion.

Learn JiuJitsu.
Always looking for that new danger.

by RolloTomasi on Jul 9, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn..

That shit is intimidating, and if you say it isn’t….your lying

by Fedorable on Jul 8, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It isn't

that forced mean mug just looks kind silly to me, wasn’t much of that going on after Lyoto put him on his back.

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by SentientAndroid on Jul 9, 2011 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’d be more intimidating without the duck face.

I’m sure he’d clear out the line up at Macys, but that is about it.

It's just a world, it's just a life.

by DirtyML on Jul 9, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol I love the way he knows exactly where the cameraman is, but he sorta looks away for a second to act coy

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by StevenGiles on Jul 8, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I’m not even a fan, but that’s just badassery at it’s finest.

What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?

by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’s never in a mood to celebrate. if anything, he looks like he’s pissed that he knocked someone out.

by the4thsign on Jul 8, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

never seen it… only morecraft fight ive seen he was snoring on the mat.

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by I Like Pie on Jul 8, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's the one

Sig betting against The-gentle-way is like playing Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic weapon. The only thing he knows more about than fighting is pleasing women, and my girlfriend is thankful for that.

by Earl Montclair on Jul 8, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kendall Fucking Grove

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by bcpjkell on Jul 8, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

swagger jacker

Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!

by SentientAndroid on Jul 9, 2011 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

get the fuck outta here…what was he thinking? it’s fairly obvious the schmuck is Tito Ortiz biggest fan but that is just making a pathetic joke out of his crush’s own routine.

by kaptenstofil on Jul 9, 2011 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

jason day

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by bcpjkell on Jul 9, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

in an interview, he called it the “Dagger Dance”

It’s called the “Dagger Dance”. I jacked part of Tito’s grave digger celebration and added a little Team Dagger to it.

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by bcpjkell on Jul 9, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

i bet he throws like a girl too

by UncleMax on Jul 10, 2011 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not an original nick name or celebration. Sad day is sad.

It's just a world, it's just a life.

by DirtyML on Jul 9, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is Cerrone not one of the douche examples?

Other than that, perfect post. Fun read and well written…really enjoyed it. Good work.

"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."

"Do you lie awake alone at night, admiring my gash?"
-Lord Varys

by John Danaher's Hair on Jul 8, 2011 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

You’re. Sorry.

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by zakkree on Jul 11, 2011 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes!

I love watching Donald fight, but geeyaawwddaaammnnnn!

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by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks man.

The douche category is pretty huge. You can throw in Cerrone, Mir, Kos, Sonnen. If there is one thing that MMA is not short of, it’s douche bag fighters.

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by Avap on Jul 10, 2011 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't fucking stand their voice

Matt Serra
Phil Baroni
James Toney
Dan Hardy

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by bcpjkell on Jul 8, 2011 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I can’t fucking stand their voice
James Toney

You can’t stand their voice or you can’t understand their voice?

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by StevenGiles on Jul 8, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably both

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by Andy Anderson on Jul 9, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Serra-

I hear this voice all the time on Long Island, its just second nature now

by majuca8 on Jul 9, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate everyone

Who is proclaimed “unbeatable” in the MMA fight game. Just grinds my gears.

Or anyone that thinks Anderson Silva can be beaten.

Take that take that

I may be 3 years late to the party(dont watch MTV), but Bully Beatdown is an amazing show and Mayhem is the fucking man.

by warren305 on Jul 8, 2011 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

You must fucking love Jon Jones.

It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.

by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 8, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love to see him knocked out by

Rashad Evans. Just to see the reaction on this very site

I may be 3 years late to the party(dont watch MTV), but Bully Beatdown is an amazing show and Mayhem is the fucking man.

by warren305 on Jul 10, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

And what about Bobby Lashley?

.....

Moving up to LHW for the big money. And fan adulation. Also.

by Scabby Knuckle on Jul 8, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he beats Nog...

…he’ll go to “He beat my guy” from my “Just Because”. it’s just something about his face.

by kaptenstofil on Jul 9, 2011 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree with you very much on hating faber

faber got punch and styled on for 5 rounds. didn’t press the action even though he was suppose to be the stronger guy. i love the look on his face while joe was talking with him. he was all wide eyed like how did i lose mwhahahaahaha.
cruz is entertaining lentz is boring. punching and kicking a guy for 15 to 25 minutes or humping him like a warm pillow for 15 to 25 minutes. i will take the hits please. bisping is a weeny because he always takes back all his trash talk after the fight. the diaz brothers are never taking any words back. wooooooooo 209 all day hahahha.

by BIGNAT on Jul 8, 2011 7:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Well then this should make you happy

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by Chris Hall on Jul 8, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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by Hendo_One-Shot on Jul 9, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

FOR DEMACIAAAAA!!! (nobody else will probably get this)

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by DirtyML on Jul 9, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was reading on a different computer and was not logged in, so I had to log in just for the purpose of putting a rec on this. Well done sir

I consider myself a softcore fan.

by Thor77 on Jul 9, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are my new favorite commenter.

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by zakkree on Jul 11, 2011 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s the fucking definition of douchebag.

He’s probably under the category: “The Douche”

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by bcpjkell on Jul 8, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He seems more like it’s an act though and he is not an actual douche. But it’s hard to tell.

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by DirtyML on Jul 9, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think so

For one, I don’t buy that he’s smart enough to keep up a consistent character on a reality show. For another, he’s not good enough at being a heel to get people to actually want to watch him fight. Chael Sonnen is an awesome heel, as was Tito Ortiz back in the day. Kos is just a douche, and it turns people off.

by Hummus5989 on Jul 10, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve actually heard plenty of people say he’s really nice in real life when they meet him. I think the fact that his schtick comes across so poorly is that it’s unnatural for him. I think he’s been living off of his TUF 1 antics, personality-wise… And most of that douchebaggery was caused by that Bobby dude in the house.

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by zakkree on Jul 11, 2011 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate guys who have douchey walkouts

Starting with that guy who shaved an arrow in his chest/abs hair.

.....

Moving up to LHW for the big money. And fan adulation. Also.

by Scabby Knuckle on Jul 8, 2011 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

you shut up right now. The chest hair arrow was awesome ;)

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by Thor77 on Jul 9, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

hate rashawd

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by Bonedoctor on Jul 8, 2011 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

he and GSP fall under the “plays with his nipples” category

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by bcpjkell on Jul 8, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

and The Dean of Mean

Sig betting against The-gentle-way is like playing Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic weapon. The only thing he knows more about than fighting is pleasing women, and my girlfriend is thankful for that.

its his schtick.
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by Earl Montclair on Jul 8, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a Jacksons thing

I think they got it from GSP, it’s like an inside joke

by Cunny on Jul 9, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

there is nothing wrong

with playing with your nipples…actually there is but whatever

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by Andy Anderson on Jul 9, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I take it

you forgot Dan Hardys category or “one dimensional strikers who hate wrestling”

You know what they say

by NEW-HAMPSHIRE on Jul 8, 2011 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't hate him for that.

I more pity him.

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by Avap on Jul 8, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great article!

Really enjoyed it, would love to see more. Rec’d.

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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 9, 2011 12:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks man. I appreciate it.

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by Avap on Jul 9, 2011 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

No worries

I’m happy to give praised where it’s deserved. You hit the nail straight on the head with each fighter type.

One great thing about this article was it helped me reconcile my unwarranted hatred of a few fighters. :P

So glad to know I’m not the only one who hates CB Dolloway just because of his face!

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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 9, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was all worried about figher-bashing when I originally posted on him...

I’d love to punch his face, but I’m worried I’d make it even more disfigured.

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by zakkree on Jul 11, 2011 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lentz and Cruz do not belong in the same category.

Point fighters and lay ‘n pray fighters are not the same thing, mainly because a point striker still has to deal with the danger of getting caught and KO’d. Nick Lentz, on the other hand, is a rare Koala-Sloth hybrid disguised as a human. Laying/leaning on someone for 3 rounds is awful.

If you think watching Dominick Cruz is boring, you probably called Machida boring pre-UFC 94 as well, and yes that does make you Captain Just-Bleed.

by gzl5000 on Jul 9, 2011 1:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with this to an extent

I also think Lentz is trying to be more “interesting” too after all the heat he’s gotten. He finished his last opponent and went for a bunch of grappling stuff against Olivera. Jon Fitch just can’t get away from that stuff though. Also people who are mediocre wrestlers who try to wrestle. So they spend 50 seconds wall and stalling to try and get someone down.

by HaterSlayer on Jul 9, 2011 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really think

he’s trying to be any more “interesting”. I think he’s just running into competition where that wall-n-stall won’t work. Also I think, he’s just got a lot of residual heat for the winner fight. It was an abominable fight and his first real introduction to most audiences (myself included). So I don’t know what he looked like in his fights before that, but that first impression was definitely lasting.

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by Chris Hall on Jul 9, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looked awful in the UFC even before that.

I completely agree with you on why he’s looked better these last few fights: he’s fighting guys who are too good for him, and refuse to let him control the pace. The Lowe fight he was getting dominated until Lowe was an idiot and left his head out on a shot. Oliveira fight was closer, but still clearly Oliveira’s fight before the NC. Other than that, his fights have sucked on a heretofore unseen scale.

by Hummus5989 on Jul 10, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

The Oli fight was a great one and I had C"DB"O winning both rounds up until the illegal knee and finish. Tho Lentz was competitive.

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by Chris Hall on Jul 10, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also people who are mediocre wrestlers who try to wrestle. So they spend 50 seconds wall and stalling to try and get someone down.

Even though I’m a big KenFlo fan, that shit against BJ annoyed the hell out of me.

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by zakkree on Jul 11, 2011 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

A sloth would definitely have ended the fight. They have claws. And if someone interrupts them from doing nothing, I can imagine as a sloth, that kind of fucks with you.

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by DirtyML on Jul 9, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point, but I think claw attacks are illegal. That’s why Sokoudjou had such a tough time.

by gzl5000 on Jul 10, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

in some cases, haterade has been known to lead to ACM (Advanced Case Moronism)…
so careful out there sweet peas.

'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'

by rohedron on Jul 9, 2011 5:37 AM EDT reply actions  

UFC 112 was a magical night?

I thought Silva v Maia was the cherry on top of a steaming pile of garbage. Between the Penn/Edgar decision, Hughes vs Renzo it was a pretty horrendous card and throw on top that it was tape delayed and blech.

Also Chael Sonnen needs to be included on the “I didn’t do it” list.

aka BuckeyedBear34

by T.P. Grant on Jul 9, 2011 8:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Badass post. I think "Mr. "I didn’t do it"" should

be expanded to cover in ring cheaters like Kongo.

When I first saw this post title, I thought of 4 offhand – The shit talker, the boring fighter, the cheater and the ungracious fighter. You pretty much covered all of them. Nice.

by Cunny on Jul 9, 2011 8:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Woke my kids up laughing

I’m not done reading yet but

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by hardlyworking on Jul 9, 2011 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

At the top of your page where your picture and name appear, click on “View your profile”; then you’ll see options for editing your profile and such.

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by AJB on Jul 9, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cheick Kongo for me fits 2 or 2 of the categories.

by vivero on Jul 9, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

How about the has the most annoying fans you just cant like him category

This could also be called the BJ Penn category, but Jones would fit in it as well along with others.

by schm1583 on Jul 9, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

That would be the Yankees and Red Sox category for me. And I don’t even watch/care about baseball.

by jebmak on Jul 9, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a Buckeyes fan, let me say that your hatred flatters me – we’re not even in your conference and I don’t recall the last time we faced off, yet you still hate us. That’s a compliment.

Oh, and I’m pretty sure you root for us when we play USC, so whatever.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 9, 2011 9:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Go Blue!!!

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by Chris Hall on Jul 9, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

^ Dead to me

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 9, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somehow

I feel like I accomplished something here

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by Chris Hall on Jul 9, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Hokemania will take care of the rest.

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by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 10, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would root for a comet to strike the stadium.

If you can’t recall the last time we faced off, you aren’t a true Buckeyes fan. That is all.

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by Avap on Jul 10, 2011 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn cheating buckeyes

they better get hit as hard as USC did with scholarships being taken away

by 19Miles on Jul 10, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

We didn't do a single thing as egregious as what they did with Reggie Bush

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 10, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh...

As a life long Michigan resident, I’m pretty sure I’m obliged by our state constitution to disagree with you there, regardless of truth.

by Hummus5989 on Jul 10, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

When did you guys get the Internet?

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 10, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somehow, that one doesn't sting...

Coming from a resident of a state that includes both Cleveland and Akron. Either way, I think we both take solace in the fact that neither of us live in fucking Indiana.

by Hummus5989 on Jul 10, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

High five on that

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 11, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Won a bad decision

A better example would be Diego Sanchez, than Lyoto.

by elmojo on Jul 10, 2011 1:25 AM EDT reply actions  

LOL

One of the best light-hearted articles ever on Bloody Elbow!

by Colin Paul Kowlessar on Jul 10, 2011 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

You forgot

Mr. Fucked Up My Parlay

Kuwabara Kuwabara

by J. B. Maddox on Jul 10, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I'll never forgive Swick for losing to Hardy for this reason

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 10, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watt Miman fucked mine, would have made nearly 2 grand off a $100 bet last week

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by StevenGiles on Jul 10, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it hasn’t been mentioned before, it would be nice to see an article like this about the types of TUF fighters who are boring, predictable, redundant, etc. You know, like The Prankster, the Guy With a Chip on His Shoulder, The Loner, The Arguably Insane Guy, etc., who might have been what made the show compelling to start with and have now become cliches that are making the show tedious and past its freshness date.

.....

by Scabby Knuckle on Jul 10, 2011 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Frank Mir goes in the ‘Just because’ category for me definitely

by Capo_Ultra on Jul 10, 2011 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

the dean of spleen definitely falls under the just because for me.

"its either going to be genius or its going to f***ing suck. Until I see the first cut I have no idea. But you know what? Neither does anybody else"

Rory 'The Waterboy' Macdonald
Thiago 'Pitbull' Alves
Yushin 'Thunder' Okami
Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua
Dominick Cruz

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by HERZ on Jul 10, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I hate the point fighters or "safe fighters" ala GSP ala Jacksons camp more than anything

There are a few from Jacksons I like,maybe 2 or 3

I like bacon...
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by Big-dawg on Jul 10, 2011 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent fan post.

I wholly agree on the Faber bit.

by CaptnAmerca on Jul 11, 2011 9:00 AM EDT reply actions  

love the post - super funny

you really should have made a category for people who call out fighters who are way older than them and/or smaller than them.

example, mitrione/ortiz, schaub/everyone, etc.

by Clifford J on Jul 11, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Anothe category (if not already included)

The super nice guy who has horribly annoying zealous fans (not saying all his fans are like that, but the annoying ones drown the moderate/realistic ones).

Example: Fedor.

by aTn on Jul 11, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Kenny Garner's post fight interview after the Bennett rematch.

Watch it if you want someone new to hate

"Then when he hit me, and I woke up. I remember thinking, sh-t, I better do something or I'm going to lose this fight," Struve said. "Then he hit me again."

by invinciblearmour. on Jul 11, 2011 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

there's a very big category missing here:

actually two…one is “I HATE THAT BASTARD BECAUSE I KNOW HIM FROM TUF AND THOSE GUYS ALL SUCK
The other one being.. “HE IS a dirty fighter” and a couple of big examples I can think of are Bisping, Kongo, Vera and Triggs

by Gisele Federico Navarro Mendez on Jul 11, 2011 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

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