Antonio Rodrigo 'Big Nog' Nogueira on Dana White: 'He's Not a God'
by Nate Wilcox on Jul 8, 2011 2:04 PM EDT
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UFC President Dana White didn't wait very long to voice his opinion that Wanderlei Silva shouldn't fight again after Silva's KO loss to Chris Leben at UFC 132. That didn't sit very well with another Brazilian legend who's on the downward slope of his own career, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira.
Nogueira spoke to Brazil's R7 Esportes (translated by Tom Mendes):
"I think he was unfortunate with his comments. They're idols of the sport, (Dana's) not a God who decides on everyone's career.
I loved the fact that Tito Ortiz won his last fight. You see that these people were not champions for nothing. Ortiz, Wanderlei and Fedor were top fighters for a reason. But Dana White can't decide that, he'll have to eat his words regarding Tito (laughs)"
Nogueira probably identifies with Silva, both fighters are all-time greats who are now in their mid-30s and have suffered a string of brutal KO losses. Nogueira was once known for his iron jaw, but has lost 2 of his last 3 via knock out.
Nogueira will face Brendan Schaub at UFC 134.
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Dana might not be God...
but he sure is your daddy!
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by stainlesssteel on Jul 8, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Nog was fine long before Dana came along.
Chris Groves and The American Ronin stand at the font of all MMA knowledge and I salute them.
I WAS WRONG ABOUT JOE!
by memitim on Jul 8, 2011 2:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
Won’t be so fine if Dana goes away though.
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by KGNLuc on Jul 8, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Between the money he has made in the past and his gyms I think Nog would be fine with or without Dana.
Chris Groves and The American Ronin stand at the font of all MMA knowledge and I salute them.
I WAS WRONG ABOUT JOE!
by memitim on Jul 8, 2011 4:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Regardless of his past
Dana holds the keys to his future, and in your early 30’s having your career ended would be terrible. The amount he makes per fight is probably his largest source of income today.
This is pre-emptive damage control in case Schaub knocks him out
Yes and no
He doesn’t fight much, so I imagine his gym is large portion of his total income.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
He got $400,000 for his win against Randy
There is no way he makes even half of that for himself at his gym in a year.
How the hell can you possibly know that?
Not to mention that he has to pay his manager and other fees just to fight.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
This really makes no sense to me
Do you really believe a thriving gym owner can’t make 200k a year?
Do you know how high tuition is at a good BJJ school?
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
I work for Roynat Capital
In short the answer is “common sense” but I will indulge you
We’re a bank which lends to “high risk” companies which cannot qualify for loans/lines of credit at a regular bank.
I can see financial statements for all kinds of gyms here which are clients. Go look at a Gold’s Gym or some massive club which has their stock publicly traded so they have to release their financial statements.
A massive gym here in Toronto which is worth $22,000,000 makes income (not revenue, this is after their costs) of just under $2,000,000. Then they have to pay all their employees.
So unless Mr. Nog is the only teacher at his gym and has over 10,000 students or something I do not think he is going to make the same amount teaching BJJ.
If he did, I don’t think he’d even fight anymore.
by Hashmo on Jul 8, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Common sense
and assumption seem to run hand in hand.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
by TheFilt on Jul 8, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You literally have no idea about his business whatsoever
You can’t just throw out random numbers and pretend they apply. What is his business model? What’s tuition? How many students does he have?
Like I said, yes and no. He doesn’t fight much and if he loses he gets paid much less. If he fought and won a big name fight every year, he would make a lot more that way. But he doesn’t.
My original statement
I imagine his gym is large portion of his total income.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Yeah, compare a Gold’s Gym to an instructional gym that trains many high level MMA fighters. It’s apples and oranges.
Chris Groves and The American Ronin stand at the font of all MMA knowledge and I salute them.
I WAS WRONG ABOUT JOE!
by memitim on Jul 8, 2011 4:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nog's gym was so popular he had to open several
I can’t believe someone rec’d it.
The idea that a cheap chain gym in Toronto and a high level BJJ/MMA school ran by a legend are even similar is just laughable.
The tuition for a good school is about 5 times higher and they have about 10 times less staff.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
A massive gym here in Toronto which is worth $22,000,000 makes income (not revenue, this is after their costs) of just under $2,000,000. Then they have to pay all their employees.
I hope you are not a loan officer. Wages are generally part of Cost of Goods Sold. Salary is part of operating expenses. All of them are deducted before you get to net income, profit, whatever. Seriously wtf do the income statement you look at look like?
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by The Lethal Haze on Jul 8, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I didn't read his post
but yeah, that’s a helluva an oversight.
To use some actual numbers from the gym I work in, we usually sell 30-40k in training monthly. There’s 6 or 7 trainers working and we’re a chain gym. A master trainer with his own studio can make 100k+ easily, if he has clientele.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Calling it common sense is one of the most idiotic things I’ve seen on here.
Good job.
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you dont know much about gym finances.
I would bet its just Nog’s desire to compete that drives him. Not his pocket book. Much like Liddell .
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jul 8, 2011 5:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And if Dana cuts him?
Novelty fights against James Toney?
"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift
He's got options
Nog can make a fortune just doing seminars and teaching.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Depends on waht you call a fortune
But he can easily make 6 figures doing seminars and teaching for the rest of his life.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
upper six figures just in seminars not counting his own school.
Seven figures with a dvd. Plus cornering fighters pays as well.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jul 8, 2011 5:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
$80 a person , 60 people attend a seminar. 5 days a week for one year. Is 1.24 million a year. Now most will take breaks, but you can see the kind of money that is there.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jul 8, 2011 5:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and youre right they dont.
Those people learned all the jiu Jitsu they know from playing the UFC video game for a one time fee of 49.95
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jul 8, 2011 5:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wait
That’s not the best way to lern Jew Jitz Yoos?
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
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just tap the stick button and BOOM!
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jul 8, 2011 6:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well if you want a reversal
But you gotta know your quarter turn and half turns too, brah. Trust me, I trane UFC’s
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Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
lol
I am so horrible at that game.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jul 8, 2011 6:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm pretty good
Got addicted to 09 and have hung around for 10. Not as good but still fun to bust up chumps online.
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
That game is solid fun when you get a match that doesn’t lose connection with a player who doesn’t use exploits.
I’m over level 100 in both ’09 and ’10.
Haven't had too many problems with dc's lately
And I totally agree with the other part.
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
i bought the first one this year for like 5 bucks from block buster.
And I tried to like it….. But I couldn’t get good at the grappling. so all my fights look like a Leonard Garcia fight. So out of shame I have stopped trying.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jul 8, 2011 6:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol
there’s definitely a big learning curve, especially if you’re trying to play online. Career mode and player matches help. Or you’re just terrible, either way.
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
wtf how is this even possible
there’s a blockbuster near you?
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-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Jul 8, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
there was. i bought it at their closing sale.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jul 8, 2011 6:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bookstores are next
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly true
But luckily, I live in Portland. You can still sell CD’s here.
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You should see my shine
That’s how you sub bitches.
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Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
I don't think Dana will be eating his words on Tito for long.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Tito went another five years without a win (against top competition). He got lucky with Bader. Set them up to fight again tomorrow and I’d bet on Bader all day long.
Funny, I never knew if you intended to punch someone in the face and you did then it’s just luck
by alterbridge on Jul 8, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not to mention he spent the entirety of the fight setting up that short hook. It was anything but luck.
I’d also say that considering the fact that he’s an experienced and seasoned vet against a 3rd generation fighter may have something to do with it as well.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jul 8, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
"I threw that punch to hurt him and it hurt him. How is that lucky?"
by Matt Serra (after GSP fight)
Matt "The Terror" Serra!!!!
If any amateur MMA organization in NE is looking for an Asian fighter, let me know =)
That's a great quote
But luck is just something happening that defies the odds. Just because something happens that defies the odds, doesn’t mean the odds disappear, or never existed, or that the odds of it happening again change. There’s a reason why Tito and Serra were underdogs in those fights.
Time will tell if Tito got lucky against Bader, but time and a rematch have proven that, yeah, Serra got lucky. I’m not saying that talent and training didn’t account for 99% of the reason those punches landed, but luck had something to do with it.
Fas est et ab hoste doceri. (Right it is to be taught, even by the enemy) ~Ovid
by Damnatio Memoriae on Jul 8, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That quote just means that Matt Serra doesn’t understand the concept of luck.
Joe Blanton, a pitcher for the Phillies, hit a home run in a World Series game despite spending all of his career in the AL prior to that season. Yes, Blanton was trying to hit the ball really hard but if you ask him, he’ll tell you correctly that the result was pure luck. It doesn’t matter what his intentions were. He sucks at hitting. His home run swing was basically him closing his eyes and swinging as hard as possible. If you redo that scenario 1000 more times, he’s probably never going to hit another home run. Blanton got lucky.
It’s called a “puncher’s chance” because anyone can get lucky and hit their opponent in the perfect spot, winning the fight even though they’re horribly outmatched. That is exactly what Matt Serra did. Yeah, he planned to hurt GSP. He probably didn’t plan to clip him right behind the ear. He got lucky and beat a vastly superior fighter. There’s nothing shameful about it.
by ricker2005 on Jul 8, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
*sigh
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jul 8, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
How many times was Tito brutally KO'd prior to the Bader loss?
He’s at least been competitive for a round with top fighters before losing a decision.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
Bader win, rather.
My mind still can’t believe it.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee Murray and Matt Hughes say otherwise..
by elmojo on Jul 8, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Matt Hughes wouldn't lie to me.
He didn’t pass out in Newton’s triangle either!
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee Murray is in jail for a long time
he has zero reason to lie about something silly like that.
and Militech has no reason to lie either.
by EzraRusso on Jul 8, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
a guy has no reason to lie about how a fight went down?
Well that is sound logic.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jul 8, 2011 5:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
This is the major difference between the three...
Tito hasn’t been knocked out in a long time, and with the exception of the Machida fight, hasn’t looked that bad. He’s just not the physically imposing standout he once was. I don’t expect him to go on any kind of a tear, but he’s not on the dangerous ground that Wand and Big Nog are. I think this is kind of a bad attitude for Nog to take here. It’s fine that he disagrees, but this isn’t Dana being an overbearing jerk, he legitimately has concern for their long term health, which should be applauded. He could easily say it’s not my call, and just make money off these guys for several more fights.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly the key point here,
The fact that Dana did this exact same thing for his best friend Lidell, whom he has incredible respect and care for, shows this is in no way motivated by negative intentions. I can understand Nog being sensitive, but it’s funny he took this as an insult.
Prolly very sensitive due to his own situation and the whole Brazil respect thing – I could see how they’d be pissed Dana didn’t contact him in private, but made an open statement instead. Hell, even the wording of Dana was that Wanderlei was a legend and had nothing left to prove. It’s just that there’s nothing scarier than a fighter whos losing his chin, especially when their style is completely dependent on it, and it’s known that repeated concussions or physical trauma increasingly sensitize the patient to further concussions and secondary problems.
by Matty Euripides Castourkas on Jul 8, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Reminds me of a Lidell interview after his retirement
Where he explained how he felt he went out on his shield. Warriors like Lidell and Wanderlei… They might update training or change up small technical details, but they’ll never change their fighting style.
No matter how many chances Wanderlei gets, he’ll keep fighting like the beserker we know and love, and only get increasingly damaged. It’s such a tough situation in these cases :/
by Matty Euripides Castourkas on Jul 8, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I totally agree. I absolutely hate people deciding things for other people in general, but anyone who wants to paint Dana in a bad light because of this is kidding themselves. There’s plenty of legitimate criticisms of Dana out there. But the fight game will always have to deal with this. Most guys get shown the door because they lose, and no one cares to see them fight anymore. These big stars need a push, because their egos will never let them see themselves as anything other than at the peak of their career. I don’t want Dana forcing guys to quit, but he’s totally right in Wand’s case, and entitled to try to make his opinion known. I really hoped Wanderlei would take advantage of Leben’s aggression by baiting and counter striking him, but he just can’t help himself. I’ll still be rooting for him, but I’m not enjoying seeing him fight anymore, I’m dreading it.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
not to be "that guy"
but didnt Wand win against Bisping before he fought leben? I mean people are acting like hes been knocked out in 5 of his last 6 fights. (I say that because im pretty sure thats what happened to Liddell… i could be wrong so dont blast me for it)
No you’re right, and he looked pretty good against Franklin as well. It’s just a question of how many knockouts a guy can suffer and still have a decent chance of avoiding permanent brain injury. I don’t feel like Wanderlei can’t beat anyone. In fact, I’d pick him against most middleweights if his chin was better. What really bothered me about the Leben fight, is that as soon as he got hit behind the ear, he was done. He just flailed, and staggered forward, over-reaching for the clinch. And he didn’t react at all when the first uppercut landed. The old Wand would’ve gone into blitz mode the minute he got hurt. Here, his recovery time from being initially stunned by a punch looked worse, and the sense with which he fought Bisping and Franklin was not at all in evidence.
I’m not guaranteeing that Wand is done, I just think it’s infinitely smarter at this point for him to retire. This is the time in a fighter’s career where they seem to take the damage that permanently disables them for the rest of their life. Getting knocked out by Cro Cop, Hendo, Rampage and Leben is each individually understandable, but you know Wand has been sparring hard for over a decade as well. I’m not questioning Wanderlei’s skills, I just dread him getting permanently hurt, when his legacy is long ago secured, and I don’t see him in desperate straights where he needs the money.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you
for your insight and opinion on it.. my personal feelings on the situation are that most people (myself included) can kind of tell when a fighter is done or should be. E.G. Liddell, Crocop, Couture (SP?) so on and so forth. I personally dont think that Wand is done. I think he has a few more in him, now if he comes out and takes another hard KO in his next fight then i would say, yes, its probably time to hang it up.
I can live with that. He won’t be fighting Leben or Anderson at least…though I think Stann, Munoz and a few others would make me cringe. How’s about Alan Belcher and Akiyama?
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I just hated his lack of reaction to Leben’s shots. That really made me uncomfortable, and I’m coming to dread Wanderlei fighting. He’s been my favorite fighter since I got into MMA 7 or 8 years ago, so I’ll always root for him, that much is certain.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya.
I didnt even think about that until you said it. He seemed to take the first shot that wobbled him and then didnt react to any of the uppercuts from Leben. He just kind of took 3 or 4 of them and ate the canvas. It was pretty violent
That first one was like the shot GSP took from Serra, right on the ear. His equilibrium was jacked, but damn he didn’t throw, he just stood there reaching and got crushed. And I wept…:)
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to admit that i didnt really care who won that fight. That fight was simply for the fight fan in me that loves violent knockouts. but after it took him a while to get up it was kinda worrisome. Kinda like when Pat Barry got KO’d.
See I love the guy, so I’m biased.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Ive been a big fan of both of them. I mean Wand is a legend and how can you not love his style? and its been cool to see Leben start to slowly change into the fighter that he is today. I didnt want to commit to anyone winning that fight because i knew it was gonna be a coin flip lol
Leben has such a natural talent for self-destruction. I’ve been expecting him to fade for a couple years now. Then he went on that run last summer, got knocked out and frankly schooled, by Stann. I like Leben, he’s a standout personality and damn those hands are BOULDERS. Still not convinced he hasn’t peaked, but I love to watch him fight. Who next for Leben in your opinion? I’m thinking Munoz or Santiago.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
My opinion is its probably going to be Munoz. Which could mean lots of trouble seeing as he was all but out struck by Maia in their fight.
True, but Mark can take a shot, and he’ll get Leben down and try to tire him out. Leben’s guard looked good against the Sexy One, though. I actually like that fight now that we’re discussing it.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
ya i think it will be a good one. It would either end in a standing Leben KO or Munoz by vicious GnP. Leben looked good on the ground against sexy but if that was munoz on top it would have been game over lol.
I think you’re right about that. Akiyama was exhausted by the time he got caught.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya as i recall they were both pretty tired. that triangle was pretty lackluster but it got the job done. While were on fantasy fights i wanna see Leben v Sonnen.
I don’t think that would go well for me, but any chance to get Chael knocked out is good enough:)
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
4 KO's in his last 8 fights? I think?
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, Dana White isn’t god because Dana’s an atheist. And because he runs his mouth off about a sport he’s just now beginning to9 understand. You can’t go around calling these mixed martial art lifers bums when you yourself barely know enough about the sport yourself.
This is the same guy who loved Fedor when he was about to sign with the UFC and hated him when he didn’t agree to give his life to him and signed with Strikeforce instead. It’s one thing to say look the guy needs to rest and rethink his role as a fighter in the UFC, but its another to go around calling guys bums. Guys I might add who put in work and made mma what it is. Dana White had rich buddies, Big Nog and these guys had to earn their keep.
When did Dana
call Wand a bum?
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Dana never called Wand a bum.
He said he thought it was time for him to give it up, much like he did with Chuck. Your anti-UFC schtick is incredibly stale.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s like insulting foreigners for their anti-american government sentiment of US military conquests, when in reality it’s the politicians who control the system are the ones with their fingers on the trigger, when you figure out the difference between the civilians & the system you’ve made a leap,
On Y2K Alex Jones was on the radio yelling that Russian was nuking the USA.
Now is this an indictment of Alex Jones, or an indictment of Jones' fans.
It seems as though people love being lied to & having their money stolen from them.
Viva L' America
What the fuck are you going on about...
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I understand wholeheartedly what you are trying to say.
But it has less relevance to this conversation than a turkey sandwich- the sandwich being relevant because I’m hungry.
by Body Triangle on Jul 8, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
He called Fedor a bum bc he was angry he couldnt sign him and wanted to lower his stock so that in turn his HW’s would be more highly touted. Its ridiculous for you to say that he is just learning about MMA, sure he might not be a fighter but he is almost single handedly responsible for the sports evolution.
Just look at Dana's reaction to Spike counter-programming
…They kicked me in the nuts, but I’d have done the same lol
Hell, even look at Fedor’s reaction to Dana’s comments – I remember him saying they’re disrespectful but he’d have no problem doing business with him and that this was only negotiation speak.
I think ppl forget far too easily that Dana’s job first and foremost is furthering the brand and the sport. Fighters are secondary. No shit he thinks Fedor’s amazing, I have no doubt Chael does too, but good luck gettin em to admit it lol
by Matty Euripides Castourkas on Jul 8, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
so true, haha, ppl don’t realize that 7 years ago kimbo was in the big fight & won, but instead Dana brough the loser of that fight into the ufc, sean gannon, then nearly ten ten years later it dawn on dana to bring in kimbo after he’s kimbo’s youth is gone, dana is like a retard managing a retirement home for handicaps
On Y2K Alex Jones was on the radio yelling that Russian was nuking the USA.
Now is this an indictment of Alex Jones, or an indictment of Jones' fans.
It seems as though people love being lied to & having their money stolen from them.
Viva L' America
btw, if you want correct spelling go watch a potter film ;)
On Y2K Alex Jones was on the radio yelling that Russian was nuking the USA.
Now is this an indictment of Alex Jones, or an indictment of Jones' fans.
It seems as though people love being lied to & having their money stolen from them.
Viva L' America
That's just what they want you to believe.
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Doctored
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
you don’t know the meaning of last man standing do you, lol
On Y2K Alex Jones was on the radio yelling that Russian was nuking the USA.
Now is this an indictment of Alex Jones, or an indictment of Jones' fans.
It seems as though people love being lied to & having their money stolen from them.
Viva L' America
NO FUCKIN' KNEES!
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
GODDAMMIT GANNON
Everything you’re doing that’s effective is illegal. Stand in front of Kimbo and get KO’d dammit.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to subscribe to your news letter
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Dana's an atheist?
Either you’re sloppily trying to slander him, or Fuck Yeah.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The only thing worse for a movement than Richard Dawkins
would be Dana White as a mouthpiece.
by Body Triangle on Jul 8, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
dawkins is also throughly undiplomatic
and comes off as an extremist in his tv documentaries. he was being outargued by total morons because hed be too frustrated by what was being said to him.
couldnt really blame him though, i wanted to strangle some of those fools.
Dawkins is like the Wanderlei of atheism
He doesn’t play the game or dance the dance, he just puts his head down and swings for the fences.
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by in the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito Ortiz
IMO that's more Christopher Hitchens than Dawkins
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
so...Dana White isn't a God because he's an atheist?
by Body Triangle on Jul 8, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
hahaha
I like how the original poster said it like this was some horrible thing. “Dana can’t be a God because he’s an atheist….THE DEVIL!”
I absolutely love when people try to slander others by calling them atheists, like that’s a bad thing, or even a neutral thing.
by Body Triangle on Jul 8, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Your comments are ridiculous
I don’t always love Dana either, but he hasn’t called any of these guys bums, and he was right about Fedor to a large degree. He could very easily just keep his mouth shut and continue to cash in on these guys. In which case, you’d probably call him a mercenary who doesn’t care at all about his fighters’ welfare.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll bite.
Please elaborate how the guy that scored Sanchez/Kampmann for Sanchez or Rampage/Machida for Rampage was right in mma terms about Fedor
Your strawmen aside, he was right in that Fedor wasn’t the top heavyweight in the world anymore.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay
but that was one very small part of all the stupid shit he was saying.
you said to a large degree.
is that the only thing you agree with?
That was the really the only thing that mattered. The fact that Dana says stupid shit when he’s upset is true and a given, but most of that was just trivial, business related bickering. The point of the whole Fedor/UFC issue was that Dana didn’t believe Fedor was worth anything near what his management asked for, and he was completely right. Calling him a bum was ridiculous, and I said as much at the time.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m also willing to stipulate that Dana White is not God, so I agree with Nog there, if that makes you feel better:)
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d add that I didn’t agree with either of those two scores, though it has nothing at all to do with this discussion.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He knows who REALLY won.
But he also knows who is more popular and thus more marketable. I
You did read what he said right?
If you did maybe English isn’t ur first cause. He was speaking as he was worried fir the guy as he did with chuck.
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by Bloodsport on Jul 8, 2011 3:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
BREAKING NEWS
Nogueira/Schaub is now on Facebook.
by crazybones on Jul 8, 2011 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
sarcasm meter is broken
Aer you joking or serious?
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by The Lethal Haze on Jul 8, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
haha thanks
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by The Lethal Haze on Jul 9, 2011 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
He really does need to learn when to shut up, he may think he comes off as concerned for their lives, but its condescending, usually a knee jerk reaction, and from a business standpoint making his job harder for their next fight when and if they do return. He should talk about the positives right after the fights and allow for some time to reflect and talk to the fighter after the dust has settled, instead of just retiring them in his own head…bc we know whatever comes into his head is usually vomited out the mouth almost immediately. And just fyi I usually back him up, but hes getting a little to carried away with his own schtick lately
I think Dana can do what he wants. Dude ressurected a dead company and turned it into a multi-million dollar organziation. Makes me laugh when people on message boards try to act like they know more about being a CEO.
I don’t know what you think Dana did, it was Lorenzos money, and it was Lorenzos idea for the ultimate fighter, Dana was dead set against what ended up saving his company.
lol.
lol.
Oh, he convinced them to do something with their money? and that is how he helped the sport?
it was Lorenzos money, and Lorenzos Idea for a show.
100% credit goes to him.
Umm that's not really how it works
The people who invested money aren’t usually given credit when they’ve had nothing to do with the sport. Until recently, the Fertitta’s ONLY involvement was reality TV, which admitedly saved the sport, and very removed esoteric decisions.
The decision to invest into UFC, grow the sport, promote fighters and the majority of legwork was Dana. I think Dana’s kind of a dumbass, but even Lorenzo gives him mad credit when talking about him. T
he way I look at it – even though I’m quite convinced I’m smarter than Dana and a hell of a lot more informed (bias lol) I have no doubt the company and sport wouldn’t have grown so well under my command. Whether this was incidental or because of his chemistry with other players, iunno, but I stil think very few ppl could have taken his spot and done better – especially considering how great everythings gone at this point
by Matty Euripides Castourkas on Jul 8, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll raise you bro, the fertittas used their connections with the nsac to shut the ufc down, how, cuz one of the brothers was on the ncsac, so the ufc money got dried up by nsac attack & then the two brothers bought it, of course first that brother resigned from the nsac
Rome wasn't built in a day, but the bottoms of Sodom were destroyed in a night
Dana White hasn't done a single positive thing for the sport of MMA or for the UFC as CEO.
Not a single one. You’re tragically misinformed if you disagree.
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by pdl on Jul 8, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
haha
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Swagger jacker
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Pfft
Do you see Vegas in the background? I jacked nothing. NOTHING!
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats awesome
I may be 3 years late to the party(dont watch MTV), but Bully Beatdown is an amazing show and Mayhem is the fucking man.
The only word to describe you lately is "catty".
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I've been really busy with a lot of things and blowing off steam on BE when I can.
But this is like, the fourth time I’ve used that line and gotten reactions out of it. People around here are not very good at riddles.
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by pdl on Jul 8, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You’d think doctor/contract lawyer/career counselors would have that one nailed by now. Alas.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Dr Farthammer!
Your ability to diagnose from your couch – while smoking a cigar with a monkey, no less – is astounding.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey
it’s better than “cunty”
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jul 8, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yea????
Well he has done a TON as the CFO!!!
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
president*
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Ruined my joke
dick
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Your joke wasn't any good to begin with
motherfucker
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
My jokes are just too elite for your pedestrian understanding
whore
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
That's just cuz
Your’re a hipster and to cool for the rest of use lowly belitists. (Sarcasm son)
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
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"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
Well I'm at my computer so I can't be a pedestrian.
Who’s elite now?!
Wait…FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I’m at my computer so I can’t be a pedestrian.
This shit is why I love you.
Even if you talk shit about my “JOE” jokes.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
My client has no memory of that.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not CEO, he’s president!
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Jul 9, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana White is concerned about two, maybe three people in all this: Dana White, Zuffa, and Chuck Liddell.
He wouldn’t dare say this stuff about Chuck or Matt Hughes because those are his “guys”. He’s your typical good old boy who takes care of himself and his friends first and the rest can suck bark.
If not for Tito Ortiz one could argue that the UFC would not have been as popular as it has been. He was the one gracing the cover of their earlier video games on PS and Dreamcast. Tito was the one pushing the trash talk, he was the poster boy. As soon as you find yourself in some bad times and your name isn’t Chuck Liddell Dana gives you the middle finger and pretends you don’t matter. Chuck got his ass knocked out and forced into retirement and he still got 500,000 for that ass whoopin Rich Franklin put on him. Talk about the most overrated and one dimensional fighter in the history of combat sports.
Chuck
was hardly over rated. Chuck and Wand are interchangeable as the best 205ers to date.
Again, what stuff did he say about Wand that you don’t like? He has been nothing but flattering of Wand.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Dude, if this were Matt Hughes or Chuck Liddell, or even Randy Couture, you think Dana would say this stuff? No, he let these guys dictate their own careers and he paid Chuck a half a million dollars after his brain was separated from the rest of his body by Rich Franklin because Chuck never met a “rush in strategy” he didn’t like.
These guys could lose ten straight by knockout and Dana would look the other way and make excuses. He did that “Its time for him to go” stuff when Cro Cop lost against Schaub.
He feels he owes the PRIDE guys nothing. He’ll do the same if Rampage loses badly to Jon Jones.
by Matt Herron on Jul 8, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
seriously, or is this sarcasm? Dear God I pray that it’s the latter…
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jul 8, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He is serious
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Say what stuff?????
That he thinks it might be time to hang them up? He said the same thing about Chuck for years.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Yeah, because Dana didn't say that Chuck should retire over and over again!
Oh wait, he did? And Chuck was about seven seconds away from a TKO victory (having broken Rich’s arm earlier in the round) before getting caught again?
He doesn’t owe the PRIDE guys a fucking thing. That shit was four years ago. Get over it.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn’t owe the PRIDE guys a fucking thing.
No. He owes every fighter eveything.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Are you serious?
Wow, what an ignorant thing to say.
he owes something to every fighter on his roster, especially to the fighters who were fighting for the fans for years while tim sylvia was holding vera up against cages and kevin randleman and rizzo were staring at each other for 5 rounds.
really shocked that a k-1 fan would say something like that
yep, he owes them money.
Which he gives them. Everything else? perks.
Give me a break.
by Body Triangle on Jul 8, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a kickboxing fan more than a K-1 fan
Really shocked you’d defend an organization that’s all but dead and still owes fighters money.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The only thing I defend about pride
was the incredible rules and the incredible fights.
it was clearly poorly run and there was a lot of corruption and questionable decisions.
no denying that.
but you can’t hate on pride in terms of fight quality.
...I don't
I hate on them for fixing fights and not drug testing and having MMA in a ring because rings sucks. I also hate on them because they were diametrically opposed to my dream of having all the top talent in the same organization.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I also hate on them because they were diametrically opposed to my dream of having all the top talent in the same organization.
… not anymore than the UFC was at the same time. In fact, the UFC was probably stopping that more than PRIDE was during it’s heyday.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Que?
The UFC sent Chuck Liddell over to compete in their tourney. Who’d PRIDE send back?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t there supposed to be something reciprocal there that never happened? Like Pride was supposed to send Wand to the UFC for a fight?
Maybe I’m completely making that up in my head.
no you are correct
and then it just never materialized…not sure of the circumstances.
by Body Triangle on Jul 8, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF
So you wanted two orgs co-promoting?
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
I don't think that's what he's saying, just responding to your assertion that the UFC was stopping talent unification.
by Body Triangle on Jul 8, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
They were just as culpable
as PRIDE at the time because both wanted all of the top talent. PRIDE had more of it during it’s heyday, so they UFC was more at fault imo.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
I agree they were just as culpable.
But I don’t understand how you can say that they were just as culpable but actually more at fault?
by Body Triangle on Jul 8, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but I live in America, so I want them here.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s is just weird to me.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
I also prefer drug testing to what happened in PRIDE.
Plus guys getting paid, a better judging system, a cage (rings suck) and fights not being fixed. PRIDE sucked for a lot of reasons.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Guys got paid in PRIDE. PRIDE had a vastly superior judging system. The Ring was terrible. There was “fixing” in both orgs in the beginning stages.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Fuck PRIDE's judging system.
Writing down the name of the guy you think won at the end < the ten-point must system. Or do you think that Nogueira beat Ricco Rodriguez?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Under their ruleset, yeah.
He was trying to win. Ricco was trying to hold.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Pride system: write down the name of the guy you think won the whole fight
Ten point must system: write down the name of the guy you think won each round and by how much, then add them up
they’re both subjective…
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
that's my system too tbh :p
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I usually pick against the drunk moron
in a bar setting it seems to be the best approach
Sig betting against The-gentle-way is like playing Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic weapon. The only thing he knows more about than fighting is pleasing women, and my girlfriend is thankful for that.
by Earl Montclair on Jul 8, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Orcus I agree...
Something I’ve implimented in my scoring is eliminating the fiction that a 10-9, 10-8 or what have you, really means anything. I score rounds relative to each other within the given fight. And there’s nothing in the 10 point must that would prevent that in a judge’s scoring either.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with his sentiment
it is pretty disrespectful for him to retire wand like that at the press conference.
how many chances was chuck given??
oh well.
The onyl reason Nog is ever commenting is because he knows his career is waning, and he knows Dana will be saying the same about him.
lol yes
leave it to wormwood from the internet to judge the health and abilities of Big Nog.
you get em
I don’t even know if he has one fight left, but I can’t judge him because I am not training with him.
and neither can you.
At this point is someones career you have to go fight by fight and I can promise you that you have NO idea what Nog has left in the tank. That will be decided vs a overhyped but decent fighter in Schaub
Yea
exactly dude, we haven’t seen him fight in almost a year, and he had some very major surgeries done, let’s see what he looks like in rio.
So long layoff + surgery + 2 recent knockouts + being closr to 40 = in your mind, this guy has a long healthy career ahead of him?
keep reaching son
I haven’t said anything like that, but unlike you, someone who has zero idea what he is looking like in camp, I am not going to judge his skills in a loss to the best heavy weight in the world or a loss when he was full of anti biotics.
let’s see how he looks in rio, pretty simple
Big nog’s only big win streaks were in Japan, and we all know how “legit” japanese mma is. He is very much overrated. Dont get me wrong he is good, but he is not as good as Japan wanted everyone to believe
FFS
Nog is not over rated in the slightest.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jul 8, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the difference in mma and other sports
is the complete lack of respect for legends in the mma community.
LMAO, damn people cant even have difference of opinion without it being disrepctful or they know nothing about true mma
never said that
Dana knows a lot about mma too, but he disrespects legends all the time.
you won’t find that in boxing.
no boxing fan old or new is going to tell you tyson ali or holmes sucked, or were never “that good” or their “streaks were suspicious”
Oh okay, now I get it.
You are a newer fan to the sport, and instead of appreciating legends, and legendary fights, you have adopted this Dana White mentality of “LOL PRIDE FIX FIGHTS JAPANESE CAN”
the fact is the level of competition back then in pride was the highest in the sport.
even the biggest ufc fans were not missing pride shows.
don’t know why you have to hate pride and minimize the accomplishments of legends because you are a fan of the ufc.
I am a fan of both. I am certainly not a new fan. But logic makes me question when all these hugely unbeatable fighters come from japan and can barely get a 2 fight win streak in the UFC
Nogueira beat five UFC heavyweight champions in his career
and took the UFC belt from one of them in North America after the fall of PRIDE.
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by pdl on Jul 8, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
cough interim belt cough
But still. Nog is an all time great HW.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
And his only wins in the UFC are against Heath Herring, Tim Sylvia, and an on the way out Randy Cotoure
And his losses are to Mir and the current undefeated champ.
You’re not going to convince a single person that Nog is anything but an all time great heavyweight.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Dude, the 2 times he was put into a match against a fightert in the top end of the UFC HW Division, he was knocked out.
Put him up against a has been and he will win everytime.
we get it dude.
You haven’t been watching mma for very long.
that is okay, you don’t need to insult legends(which is what you are doing)
to validate your weak point.
Wow thats a mature arguement. I havent been watching mma long,lmao.
I loved pride, but the adult in me knows that most of those fights were unfair. Ask Rampage.
yea it is a mature argument dude
because it is never anyone but the very new fans to the sport that insult and belittle pride and legends like you are doing.
stop making it so obvious and I won’t bring it up, nothing elitist about it, you are just shitting on legends.
I have been watching mma since they were dusty VHS’s in the back of video stores. So get off it homey
Really?
10+ year fan?
and you trash Nog?
sorry, not buying it dude.
don’t need to impress me with stories.
They don't
Shogun didn’t. Also, the guys who were reigning the UFC when PRIDE was king are on the out as well.
Okay so inform me again.
Randy and Chuck are legends but not Nog/Fedor/CroCop/Wanderlei?
or are you saying none of the above are legends?
I’m not even sure the sport is old enough to have Legends. Babe ruth was a legend for his amazing homerun record.
These fighters are good, sure, but Legends? I mean Legend is a strong word
lol, so you are flat out saying.
Legends don’t exist in mma right now?
Sakuraba, Nog, Cro Cop, Chuck, Wanderlei?
okay man, OK.
Yeah thats what I am saying. The word legend is suppose to mean someone who does something that will probably never be done again.
If every good fighter is called a legend then the word loses all meaning
shit i kinda agree with you
mma fans throw the word legend around far too often
regardless nog and rampage are some of the greatest mma fighters of all time
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Yay dictionary.com
Legend – a person whose fame or notoriety makes him a source of exaggerated or romanticized tales or exploits
what the hell does that even mean?
What did Ali/Tyson/holmes/Lewis/holyfield/marciano/pep
do that will never be done again?
nothing, and they are still legends.
false logic dude
Legend – a person whose fame or notoriety makes him a source of exaggerated or romanticized tales or exploits
If you don't know what Ali did
to be considered a legend, you should probably just stop talking about boxing because you clearly don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
So...
None of the PRIDE legends were competitive in the UFC, but there weren’t any PRIDE legends?
I guess that makes
Royce Gracie, Sakuraba and Rampage the only legends I can think of.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
someone who does something that will probably never be done again.
I’m just going off that statement. Not that I agree with it. Those are the three guys I can think of off the top of my head. Probably Coleman too.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
WTF
so now your own randomly cooked up definition of “legend” is changing?
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
What happened to, “someone who does something that will probably never be done again.”? That was just bullshit?
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Royce gracie introduced BJJ to the fight world. pretty sure you cant introduce something twice.
He changed the whole cage fighting scene.
Okay… and the other guys I mentioned did something that can’t be done again either… but they don’t count because you keep shifting what it means to be a legend.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
That is such a silly and easily proven to be wrong statement. And you do realize that the cage and ring are almost like two different sports. Let GSP and Diaz take place in a ring. Let’s see what happens.
Chris Groves and The American Ronin stand at the font of all MMA knowledge and I salute them.
I WAS WRONG ABOUT JOE!
by memitim on Jul 8, 2011 7:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sylvia wasn't in the top end of the UFC HW division?
Ok, man.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Those major surgeries
…are surely going to improve his performance in his comeback-fight. No? Then he’ll probably be worse than what Wormwood is basing his speculation on.
"A belt only covers two inches of your ****and the rest you need to back up on your own." Royce Gracie (allegedly...I just read it somewhere and thought it was cool for my sig!)
Dude
Did you watch the press conference?
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Chuck was given those chances in the same way
Dana basically said “he will not fight anymore” after Shogun KOed him, then Chuck changed his mind. After Franklin, Dana almost forced him into retirement. To say he treated Lidell different is borderline ridiculous. He’s not offering Wand a job at Zuffa and they’re not friends. That is about it.
"A belt only covers two inches of your ****and the rest you need to back up on your own." Royce Gracie (allegedly...I just read it somewhere and thought it was cool for my sig!)
I love Nogueira. Like, a lot.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by Jack.Barrington on Jul 8, 2011 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
The kind of fan who doesn't love Nog
is the worst kind of fan.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jul 8, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Those aren't fans
Those are cold, evil souls.
Maybe the best night of my life was watching Nog vs Randy live. Amazing, amazing experience. Nog is just awesome. He was beat up but still smiling and shaking hands. I actually missed the chance to shake his hand cause I was talking to Ed Soares, who was super nice.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
*shrugs
I could honestly care less about the man *dodges cinder block
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jul 8, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will find who rec'd this comment
and destroy him
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Upon review
I’m going to assume the “dodges cinder block” part of that comment is what got the rec.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
LOL!
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jul 8, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll green that. I love him too. Really hoping he handles Schaub and makes one more push for the title.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The difference between Dana White and Don King:
Dana’s a bald short white guy who went from skinny, to chubby, to stocky over the course of ten years. Don King is an old black ex-con who served time for stomping a guy to death because the guy owed him money. And he has hair
Other than that they are very similar in how they operate as promoters. They both screw fighters out of millions and do it with a smile. Which is funny because Dana White got mad when Scott Coker compared him to Don King. It’s like bro, everyone says you’re the white Don King.
by Matt Herron on Jul 8, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I don’t even want this flagged. You’re making the case against yourself better than I ever could.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no response. That was perfect.
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Chael was soooo right about all this, you know.
.....
Cutting down to 145 to avoid the great comments at 155.
The more you think about it the more Tito Ortiz sounds less and less crazy. His views on Dana and his “business practices” over the years bare fruit, at least when it comes to how he handles fighters and how he treats them. To him they’re a means to an end, and nothing more.
This is why the UFC needs a union. And I think given his track record of moronic and arrogant statements this is why mma has yet to be sanctioned in New York. Dana White has done a lot for mma with the Ferttita’s money, but he’s done a lot to turn people away as well. He’s your typical double edged sword. He rebuilt the company but he pissed off a lot of folks along the way.
The more you think about it the more Tito Ortiz sounds less and less crazy.
You mean the guy that held out for a year and a half and then didn’t take a single fight outside the UFC? And clearly you never heard him commentate. Please – continue.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Tito
Tito ain’t so bad. It’s mainly Dana White drones who over the years focused their hatred toward him because Dana said “everybody hate Tito because he and I are beefing”.
did you see the press conference?
he turned a question about chuck and wands performances into a way to shit on them both and call them stupid.
he is a douche.
Matt's Law
LET IT BE KNOWN THAT ALL WHO DEFEND DANA WHITE AND DUMP ON PRIDE FIGHTERS WILL BE BRANDED UFC NUT HUGGERS SO LONG AS THEY ARE MEMBERS OF THIS FINE ESTABLISHMENT CALLED BLOODY ELBOW. IT’S TIME WE CALL OUT THE DRONES WHO REFER TO DANA IN THE FOLLOWING MANNER: “LORD DANA”, OR “UNCLE DANA” CAUSE THAT’S JUST WEIRD SON.
YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW. AND YOU KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT A MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS HERE BELIEVE EVERY WORD THAT COMES FROM DANA WHITE’S MOUTH. THEY TRUST IT AS IF IT WERE LAW, AND THE ONLY LAW. THEY HATEED STRIKEFORCE BEFORE ZUFFA BOUGHT IT BECAUSE IT WASN’T THE UFC, THEY HATE BELLATOR BECAUSE ITS NOT THE UFC. THEY ARE MORONIC ZOMBIE ACCIDENTS WHO WOULD GLADLY EAT GLASS MIXED WITH METH IF DANA TOLD THEM ITS WHAT ALL UFC FIGHTERS EAT BEFORE A MATCH. THEY DAWN TAPOUT SHIRTS AND DRINK THE OFFICALLY ENERGY DRINK OF THE UFC. AND THEY THINK ARIANNY CELESTE IS MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN CHANDELLA BECAUSE DANA SAYS SO. WHEN IN REALITY CHANDELLA IS BETTER LOOKING, HAS THE BETTER PERSONALITY AS IN SHE HAS A PERSONALITY, AND SEEMS SMARTER.
THIS IS LAW, SO OBEY
you ok there champ?
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
by milk72 on Jul 8, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Go back to getting schooled at Bad Left Hook if we’re all so terrible.
Seriously, check out the Fan Post section – he’s drowned it in crap.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
omw
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Dude
I hope you stay here a long, long, time.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
???
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jul 8, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
tito's commentary is gold
its the perfect blend of horrifying train wreck and complete incompetance
i’ve never laughed so hard while watching mma as i did for that one glorious affliction show
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Let me tell you how you feelin' right now.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Everybody lets give a hand to Renato Babalu, one of the greatest light heavyweights, of the night.
Wow! That’s all I got to say. Vitor at 185 pounds. I don’t know. I see him beating the, uh, what was it, Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart because you have two great boxers, and, man, that was amazing. That was the old Vitor Belfort that we all want to see. Him at 131 years old. He’s back for vengeance
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
by milk72 on Jul 8, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aw
Derek is just mad because what I said describes him perfectly. He is, I say he is the drone of all drones who loves Arianny Celeste and thinks Chandella is ugly because he loves Arianny so much.
And hey its nice to know I have a stalker who follows me from combat sport website to combat sport website. Ha, this is Friday fun before work like no other.
Now you know he's nuts, because
I’d destroy Chandella given the chance. I would wreck that chick.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He is, I say he is
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
this is Friday fun
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jul 8, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why is it that so many people here react so personally whenever someone criticizes Dana White? I mean dude he ain’t giving you a job with Zuffa so stop taxing his fanny with your lip pieces man.
You can’t even say Dana White’s car is crap or someone like Derek will fire back with “WELL WHAT KIND OF CAR DO YOU HAVE? DANA IS BETTER THAN YOU, HE’S BETTER THAN ALL OF US BECAUSE HE GAVE US THE UFC. TAPOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
And you're better than all of us
because you defy logic in order to scream about Dana even when he’s not doing anything wrong.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I give props when due and criticize when due. Dana to me is a double edged sword. He’s done good things for mma and he’s done bad things. Guys listen you can’t blindly follow someone and like refuse to criticize him when they do something wrong. That’s not healthy, then again I’m talking to mma fans. I must put my reason into context.
You can't be an elitist boxing fan unless you know something about boxing.
It’s in the contract.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t get mad because I’m right bro. I’m just not the drone type. I mean, its to be expected because mma has a lot of fans who are die hard loyal to the sport no matter what. And besides if you can’t clearly see that I’m kidding around then you really are a UFC drone.
Perhaps you could write another shocking expose on how Floyd Mayweather is ducking Manny Pacquiao.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Well this weekend I might expand on my “Worst fight” list. Or Maybe write about what would have happened had James Toney and Joe Calzaghe fought if Toney stayed at 168. But hey thanks for the ideas Derek.
I dunno.
Didn’t seem like the community was that into the idea of you continuing to blow up their Fanpost section with half baked ideas.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Constantly calling him Derek reminds me of this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZcGKHC0Rh8
"I knew I hurt him cause when I throw the elbow he went ugghh" - GSP
That's the thing though.
You’re not really criticizing when due, you’re making up things that he’s done or exaggerating them to fit your mental image of him and then blasting that. He said Wandy is a legend that should probably hang em up considering he’s been clean KO’d a half dozen times or so at this point in pretty rapid succession. I don’t see what’s so evil about that considering he said the same to Chuck.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 8, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This guy's got me pegged.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
We only react that way because you’re hilariously defensive, yet utterly wrong. Take your blood pressure meds and relax. I’ll miss you when you’re gone.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
How can it be a string of KO's
If its just two non-consecutive losses?
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
It’s not a crime to criticize your boss in defense of a friend. Honor among true friends comes before your boss. Besides Big Nog probably takes it as if someone were taking about his brother. These Brazilian guys are all close because they train and came up together.
to my understanding
Big Nog and Wand never trained together.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Still doesn't give him the right to say that
When has David Stern ever said a player should retire?
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
David Stern doesn’t run the individual teams that sign players, so the analogy is a bit off. All Dana can do is make people retire from the UFC. If they want to go elsewhere, they can if they’re no longer under UFC contract.
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Of course
That’s obvious though and that’s called getting fired, not retiring.
Better example: When has an NBA or NFL owner came out and said a player should retire? Brett Favre had his best season after the Packer’s tried to force him into retirement.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Um
Favre retired on his own. The Packers simply didn’t decide to uproot their entire preparation for Rodgers in July to allow Favre to come back.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course he has the right to say that people should retire…as long as by ‘retire’ he means ‘wont fight for the UFC anymore’. If his bosses say its his right then its his right to do it. If he wants to fire guys its fine with me.
Fire is fine
But Dana has literally no right to say anyone should retire. Period.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Right
Dana strikes me as the type to cross the line convinced he has yet to cross the line, cross the line again still convinced he has yet to cross the line.
I can’t believe a guy this “smart” and “aware” doesn’t recognize that these fighters, especially the ones from Brazil who all know each other personally and have for many years take someone criticizing one of their own personal. Whether you agree with them taking it personal or not they do.
ok
i asked this above and got no reply so ill try again… why the big hulabalu (thats right, Huh-la-buh-loo) about Wand? He beat Bisping before he lossed to Leben. It may not have been super impressive but cmon. He got knocked out by someone whos known for knocking people out. Wands gameplan was perfect for Leben because thats how he fights. He gets rocked and KO’s the other fighter.
I replied:) Give me a friggin’ minute!!! Kidding.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Dana has no right to give his opinion that a fight has taken to much damage to his brain and should PROBABLY retire? He actually cares what happens to theses guys and he doesn’t want to see them brain damaged at 50. He isn’t forcing anyone to retire. How can you possibly look at this as a bad thing? It’s about the long term health and safety of a person.
" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I coulda been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but I'm right..." Bama
I get what you're saying
But these guys are adults and if the doc clears them, they can fight.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
by TheFilt on Jul 8, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Can I ask what else you think Dana’s concerns are?
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
the only concern in DW's mind IMO is...
money! granted, there’s nothing wrong with that, but let’s not act like he really cares about this guy and that guy, I think he just cares about the greens…
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
by Orcus on Jul 8, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts too
I imagine Wandy is worth more the UFC as an employee than a fighter, Dana probably thinks that too.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
I can’t imagine how that is possible. He’s going to make the UFC more money not fighting…how? Dana’s no saint, but I actually think he does like Wanderlei. The one answer that makes sense to me is just fear that Wanderlei is going to suffer another debilitating knockout in the cage, and become a casualty of brain damage, making the UFC look terrible in the process. That one I can buy.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That's huge part of it, too
Which I why I say its less about Wandy and more about the UFC.
If Silva can help the UFC make new fans/friends and visit new places, he’s already worth more to them than he ever was as a fighter.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Perhaps. I still think they’d have more to gain putting him on the proposed Japan card, and I bet that still happens. Dana is just laying the groundwork with his comments IMO.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
But who is he going to fight??
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Jul 8, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s the only problem he just needs to retire. I’ve been saying that for a while. I felt he should of retired after the Bisping victory.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Jul 8, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
In Japan?
Aki
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
This^
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
DW needs to sell fights
and unfortunately, if Wandy keeps losing I can see how it would be tough.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Sure, but I don’t think that’s the issue, yet.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
that...
doesnt make a lot of sense. How would Wand retiring make Dana more money?
1. Wand Retires
2. ?
3. Profit?
by I Like Pie on Jul 8, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec’d
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Wandy is loved world wide
He would make a great ambassador to places that aren’t so UFC-friendly.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
a 'losing streak' wandy does not sell a lot of fights
but using his name will still give him greens as TheFilt has said.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
it's not a streak
but, he has lost too many and won too little in the past couple of years, that’s not a good sell.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
a lot of people?
you don’t know how the mainstream MMA fans are :p
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
no maybe not. Probably because i dont tend to hang out or talk with a lot of them. All of my friends watch the PPV with me every month and theyre pretty well educated on it. So i dont know what the mainstream will do. But us diehards will watch him until he decides to hang it up.
we're a very, very small part proportion of the buyers
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Preach!
I talk to guys all the time who buy fights and couldn’t tell you who Jose Aldo was.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Just yesterday
This guy was telling me he saw Griffin/Bonnar I live in person and he loves to watch fights on TV.
He could not name any fighter other than Chuck Liddell.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
How does having fighters NOT fight make "The Greens"
" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I coulda been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but I'm right..." Bama
Yea... I don't understand this either
seem to me far more money could have been made on continuing to have Chuck and/or Wand fight.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
If Wandy makes a huge salary
but doesn’t bring in the buys, that’s a financial burden on them.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
What would lead you to believe he doesn’t bring in the buys?
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
I don't know that for sure
But if that’s the case, it makes perfect sense.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
if he keeps losing more and more fans will stop buying his fights
I’m not one of them, I’m a wandy die hard fan until he stops, but that’s the reality.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Dude
I really don’t think this is a concern yet.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
I don't think it's out of the question
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Why?
He just beat Bisping. Tito was given chances over and over and he was never as popular during that time as Wand is, with fans or with Dana.
So far he has mixed a couple bad KO’s with some great wins and epic wars.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
sure
that’s how I see it too, and in my personal opinion he still can win big fights, but dude, I would pick him to win against Anderson, read that again. My views on him aren’t necessarily without bias, I could see the other side of the argument though.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
I tend to agree in a general sense, but there’s still plenty of green to be made off Wanderlei’s fights, or Nog’s, Chuck’s or whoever. In this case, I do think he really likes Wanderlei. He’s always expressed love and respect for Wand, and I actually completely believe him in this case.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
In this case
I give him the benefit of the doubt, but he’s still looking out for his company, which is the way it should be.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Agreed. I’m more willing to go along with the idea that he’s just afraid Wand will get hurt badly and publicly and become a poster child for all those who want to stop the sport and it’s “hideous barbarism”
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
but not if they're losing
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Agreed. To me this is laying the groundwork, just like with Chuck. Wand will get at least one more shot. Nog I’m actually not as worried about. He was sick against Frank, and that shot from Cain would’ve knocked out a rhino.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
it sucks for Nog
because he’s not looking very good in his latest interviews either, and he’s coming from a long lay off and surgeries, he has a very tough fight ahead of him given all the circumstances.
not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends
Oh boy…I haven’t really seen any interviews recently. Above anyone, he’s always the guy I thought was indestructible…
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure he does, he can say whatever he wants and in the case of fighters that work for him he can actually make it happen. You may not agree with his opinions or actions but he literally has the right to say that someone should retire.
I can call my mother a whore
Does that make it right?
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
by TheFilt on Jul 8, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It depends on your point of view. For the UFC it probably is the correct option, for the fighter..perhaps not. The goals of the UFC and the goals of a fighter are not the same. Regardless of it being the right thing to do he still very much has the right to say it. My point was that you are dead wrong if you think he does not have the right to say a fighter should retire…he very much has that right and the power to enforce his opinion.
Anyone has the right to say anything
but that doesn’t mean they should.
That was my point.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
And no
He can’t enforce anything. A fighter can fight outside the UFC. Now get off Dana’s dick.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
thats my opinion. my boss can tell me i need to retire and let me go. i can simply get another job. See how that works? lol
That depends...
does your mom fuck people for money?
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When Chuck got removed from the realm of coherence by Rich Franklin Dana cared because he and Chuck are buddies. That’s why Chuck got paid more than the guy who beat his one dimensional ass. Hence the 500,000 he got when Rampage knocked him out and the 500,000 he got when Ace floored him.
With Wanderlei its based on this guy is ain’t making me grip so he gotta clock out for good.
That's silly
Chuck got paid that much because Chuck was one of their biggest draws of all time. Wand also bring in a ton of revenue.
Also, Chuck was far from being one dimensional.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
I'm lost
what do you mean?
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Before last weekend
Dana was saying maybe Tito should hang em up. Not cause he can’t fight anymore or cause he’s unhealthy, but because he didn’t want to pay a huge salary.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Very true
I think there is still a very real, “If you get paid to much you better win fights or we’ll cut you” thing going on. And probably rightly so. They might be able to try to re-negotiate down a contract like they tried with Werdum.
However, it’s not like it happens at the drop of a hat. Tito held on for a long damn time with no wins for a reason. He still put some asses in seats.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
You're right
Its not a common thing, Wandy and Tito are uncommon guys. :)
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
This does have something to do with it. When you make that salary, you have to fight big names on the PPV. At some point the matchmaking doesn’t work with the payscale.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't blame Dana for that either
But I just don’t like hearing an employer call for someone to retire. Fire him, don’t tell him to give up the love of his life.
I believe Wandy should retire, but as a fan, if he wants to keep fighting, I support that, too.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
I know, but as a promoter/bigmouth, putting it out there is really the only way to get Wanderlei to seriously consider hanging it up. Obviously Wand is probably thinking he should’ve done this or that, and wants to get right in there. Being a fighter isn’t really a sensible profession, and reason is not in a fighter’s mentality, which is as it should be. There’s a reason corners have towels, a true warrior always thinks he can win, and lives on a fine edge between supreme confidence and delusion. I’ll still be rooting for Wand, but I’m dreading the next one, rather than excited to see him.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Chuck is one dimensional Chris. He’s a rush fighter, and rush fighters are the most vulnerable to knock outs because they rush in blind to reason or defense.
The most one dimensional mma fighters of all time:
Chuck Liddell
Rampage
Dan Henderson
Tito Ortiz
Not only
are NONE of those guys one dimensional, what you described isn’t the way Chuck Liddel fights at all. Nor was he vulnerable to knock outs until his chin finally gave out, like what happens to anyone.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jul 8, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't agree with the rest of it
But I think he’s saying anyone who charges forward is more likely to get KO’d.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
I suppose that's true
But that describes Wand and Shogun more than any of these other guys.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Yeah Chuck was a counter puncher
and actually known for KOing guys while walking backwards.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
AND HERE WE.........GO!
Chuck: Excellent striking coupled with great TDD
Rampage: Another great striker with high-level wrestling
Hendo: If only he’d developed KO power to go with his wrestling……
Tito: In his time, excellent wrestling paired with devastating G&P
I think your biggest problem is either not recognizing dominant wrestling or not knowing how to count dimensions. Gary Goodridge was one-dimensional. Gilbert Yvel is one-dimensional. Fred Ettish was – ah fuck it.
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jul 8, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot one thing
Tito, Rampage, Hendo and even Chuck all have great BJJ. Either offensive or defensive.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
It's funny how 'Page doesn't often get credit for his BJJ
Tho he hasn’t lost by submission since 03.
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Mikhail Illoukhine
Fight Finder, bitches.
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To be fair
he “subbed” him with strikes.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jul 9, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
The absense is due to my laziness more than faulty memory
When I refute something I always go +1 and stop.
Something “never” happens? I give one example it does.
Someone’s one-dimensional? I give two dimensions and call it a day.
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jul 8, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Its was?!?
Hate to break it to you, your sense of humor is technical and informative but not at all funny.
I should know; we can smell our own.
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jul 8, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still laughing at you
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
With Tito Dana wanted him gone because he hates him. I think backstage Dana was hoping Bader would put the nails in Tito’s coffin but hey didn’t go down like that. When you dump the porn star and you realize what its all about, you win bro, you just win.
Dana employs his friends aka those most loyal to him. I doubt Wanderlei, Bigger and Littler Nog the bus feeders, and Tito will have positions at Zuffa waiting when they take a bow.
If Dana wanted Tito gone
he wouldn’t have given him the Bader fight.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Did you not see the Rich Franklin fight? It looked as though Chuck said fuck it I’m getting my half a million whether I win or lose, I’m in my 40s and I can’t compete for the title at 205 so here goes nothing. He chased Rich down and Rich caught him with a I don’t know what that was but apparently Chuck’s chin is made of flour.
He reacted worse than what the punch looked like. I don’t know I never got the “Iceman” thing. Why did it seem that he was the one getting iced most of the time?
How did this apply to what I said?
He was uncharacteristically aggressive in the Franklin fight, sure. But he was kicking Rich’s ass, so I guess he knew what he was doing.
. I don’t know I never got the "Iceman" thing. Why did it seem that he was the one getting iced most of the time?
Only if you never watched him fight until the second Rampage fight.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
He was less than ten seconds away from winning the Franklin fight.
He would’ve been awarded a TKO due to breaking Rich’s arm.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Rich Franklin
Saved his own ass and Chuck’s chin got in the way of his goal of winning the fight. I agree the fight was the luck of the Irish if you will. Although Rich isn’t Irish is he? In any event Chuck seemed like the guy who no matter how garbage he became, Dana was always going to bail him out with a half a million dollars.
I mean why would you pay someone 500,000 dollars for getting rocked to bed every night in Vegas? If I wanted to pay someone that much grip for being trash I would pay the garbage man a half a mill.
Contracts....
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
HOW THE FUCK DO THEY WORK?
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
You can call him garbage all you want, there were still a lot of fans that wanted to see him fight. PPV’s cost about $50. Chuck sold a lot of them and by no way was he overpaid at $500 000.
by Horselover Fat on Jul 8, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still don’t know how to quote somebody but….
“Why did it seem that he was the one getting iced most of the time”
I had to read this about 8 times before I realized I read it right the first time. WTF?
No sir, I don't like it.
They called him the Iceman, but he was the one getting iced. It’s like calling someone “The Owner” when they get owned everyday of their life. It don’t compute.
No, I got it.
I just thought it showed a glaring ignorance of the sport.
No sir, I don't like it.
by OmoPlata on Jul 8, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Iceman was his nickname
From HS football, because he never got nervous. You may or may not have known that, but either way, your joke wasn’t funny.
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
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Le me guess you own the Chuck Liddell story and you got it free with your purchase of the Best of UFC 95-99?
Nah
saw it on a countdown or some such a while back.
Was this another one of your jokes? Its getting hard to tell.
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Im wondering if hes just trolling or what?
I'd rather be hated for who I am, then to be loved for who I am not.
Oh, he definitely is
Half this post is just him saying ridiculous shit. Which is cool for him I guess.
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
any way to get attention i guess
I'd rather be hated for who I am, then to be loved for who I am not.
Or just bored at work
He definitely blew the place up more than I would have expected. It was more odd to me to see that some people were agreeing with his schtick.
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
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He's insane and incorrect
But he had one good point about Wandy’s salary outweighing his performance.
Ok, maybe he didn’t say it like that: but remotely he did.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
I refuse
To sift through all that nonsense to try find a small morsel of him almost saying something intelligent.
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
i honestly couldn't read his posts
I just read the last sentence and against the billion to one odds, it made sense.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Yeah
I made it through the first one or two.
Then it was just like, “Again, really?”
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
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Holy shit, 450 comments about Big Nog not even really talking shit? You guys are dedicated.
Still a Beer Monster.
My twitter: @TB_Money
Don't judge me Beer Monster.
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Are you saying we don't get paid per comment?!!!
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I do
You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
How do I get in touch with your management team?
I’ve always respected Mr. Soares.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
er one was a title fight, the other fighter who KO'd him went on to crush Brock Lesnar and become the undisputed number 1 HW
by Urijah Bieber on Jul 8, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
…and the first guy that finished Nog went on to be crushed by Brock Lesnar.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is true
And I am not sure it would happen a third time as easily as before. And Mir is one of the few top ten fighters I would favor Brock over.
Fedor for Lyfe
by Urijah Bieber on Jul 8, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
This Matt Herron guy is an idiot
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