An Open Letter to Matthew Roth
Dear Matthew,
Since you seem to have become a member of staff at BE (although you're not on the front page staff list) and the prospect that you may produce more vomitous pieces is increasing, it seems necessary to address a few things.
You seem to have two modes of writing; one is the factual 'reporting' style piece such as the Armed forces combat report you did the other day, which as a piece of writing is definitely adequate and was something I could bring myself to enjoy. I even commented on that piece how you seemed to demonstrate something akin to a respectful tone towards the women fighters and who could fail to notice the whole load of other factual pieces from you that have been posted on BE recently. I doubt there can be many complaints about this kind of contribution.
The second is this kind of attention grabbing, 'News International' type of low bitching snarkery which we haven't seen much of on BE and is one of the reasons BE is a quality site favoured by many - it doesn't pander to rubbing people's faces in excremental troll-bile from staff.
Anyone unfortunate enough to encounter your micro-tenure on BE Radio (so what happened there?) may be aware of the tendency for your quite magnificent ego to swell from your mouth at unwarranted and numerous occasions. Perhaps the kind of ego that makes you believe that you are so much better than others that you can actually write an open letter of the bilious kind, which appears to demonstrate a certain taste for judgemental vitriol rather than a humorous barb as you may position it.
I should be clear here in saying that I'm not necessarily saying the critique inherent in these latter pieces is actually incorrect, merely that the form of your attack comes across as gutter-sniping and unncessary (a bit like this you say... no really?).
I recall on your single BE radio broadcast (or was there more than one?) that you pretty much shat on WMMA (something many may agree with) but which I commented at the time was poor from BE where a certain standard of commentary and dialogue is what many have come to enjoy, as such it was a relief when you were no longer present as a participant. I now note in your role as a staff member here on BE that you are offering your predictions on the upcoming Strikeforce 135lb title match, even though you revelled in your disinterest on WMMA a few months back, slightly disingenuous wouldn't you say? Or a change of heart? If I recall correctly your tone at the time was that of WMMA being something you wouldn't use to wipe your faecal crack with.
But let's cut to the chase here, I am hoping that you are not going to be a permanent addition to BE in a way that just generally lowers the tone and brings the value and level of BE down to some of the cack on other sites.
It maybe amusing to you and something that generates comments to write 'open letters', but BE caretakers have to assess the overall impact of something like this. It is both a fine line and a slippery slope, some pieces that resemble this kind of thing can be genuinely brilliant, but Nate knows BE will never be an advertiser's golden ticket, so there's no need to pander to cheap traffic trollery.
Have you left Headkick legend or what?
If so, much more of this type of sputum and you'll need to head back...
Your biggest fan,
Rohedron
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1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jul 29, 2011 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
ladies and gents...
the doors are open.
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
So in short, is this fanpost suggesting Roth might be a little bit ...
by KJ Gould on Jul 30, 2011 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Seconded.
His claims that barnett not having filed his paperwork a couple of weeks before the event was “unprofessional” and his “sources” told him it should have been done before then and then conveniently not commenting when it turned out 80% of the card was in the same position and it was very common would have been funny if the guy wasn’t positioning himself as an actual journalist.
Then his claims that Marquardt’s removal at the last minute was “100% nothing to do with PEDs” only for him to completely ignore that fact when it turned out that it was, in fact, testosterone related.
The guy fires out “facts” from his ass and avoids ever admitting to his mistakes by hiding behind snarkiness that Tomas Rios would be proud of.
I hope to god he doesn’t end up on BE staff…
by Decado on Jul 29, 2011 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 11 recs
When has he ever done that?
would have been funny if the guy wasn’t positioning himself as an actual journalist.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jul 29, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I suppose this is a good time to clarify that
Hey Matt,
Would you consider yourself any sort of MMA Journalist?
If not can we please stop having his shit on the front page by default? I enjoyed the Ranger Up article, but putting his bitchy posts like the Kim Couture shit as a frontpage article?
by Decado on Jul 29, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
He told me he never pretended to be a journalist.
by Fantomasnomore on Jul 29, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully
He’ll clear it up.
The fact he’s seen and responded to other comments suggests he’s deliberately trying to leave ambiguity about it.
If the guy isn’t pretending to be a journalist why does he claim to have inside info that he “knows” is correct, when it’s usually bullshit. Isn’t bullshit rumour mongering usually frowned upon by people who can post to the frontpage?
Take a look at his comments on the marquardt incident – watching him TELL people not to speculate because he “knows for 100% certain” that it’s not a PED issue, when of course it WAS a PED issue suggests he thinks he’s more than just another uninformed fan.
by Decado on Jul 29, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Just some quotes
Marquardts firing: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/6/25/2244184/dana-white-announces-nate-marquardt-cut-from-ufc-for-failed-medicals
“Since I’m tired of this speculation
I’ve been in contact with his manager…when it was first rumored that he was out I got the following text: "Nate was not MEDICALLY CLEARED. More soon."
It wasn’t PEDs, that was confirmed to me. It wasn’t weight issues, EKC from all elbows confirmed he was on weight this morning. It is medical. Quit speculating until the info is released."
That was followed by a BE’r @mostdiabolicalhater pointing out we already had that info – Roth replied with a snarky “my info that i gave them” retort. Which means BE was reporting shit this guy was saying – even though it was bullshit.
Later on he said
“And the fact that I actually have the info you guys are being retarts about is hilarious to me.”
Which since his info was wrong makes him the retart i guess .
Later:
“It’s MEDICAL
and not PEDs or Weight cut issues.
Poor ticket sales + Negotiating TV deal + Last Minute medical failure.
The UFC wouldn’t fire someone for failing medicals, but the circumstances make it unique which is why there’s the harsh penalty."
As you can see the staff at BE accept info from him as reliable (which he brags about) even when it’s clearly not. So yeah, from that it seems like he’s trying to position himself as a journalist.
Matt on the Barnett situation: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/6/8/2213483/josh-barnett-unlicensed-texas-strikeforce-overeem-werdum-mma-news
“Goddammit Josh.
I hate the guy but come on man, you knew you needed a license. YOU KNEW YOU NEEDED A LICENSE! HOW DO YOU WAIT THIS LONG?!"
“Cause he shouldn’t be in the process
he should have a god damn license. This is his way of getting back at Zuffa and it’s bullshit."
“Exactly. This isn’t a case of “first time offender doesn’t know the process”
this is a case of long time offender who doesn’t care about the licensing process disregarding everything and putting another fight in danger."
Regardless of whether or not HE claims to be a journo, he is represented as such on BE by virtue of having his crap posted to the frontpage.
I’m sure there are tons of other examples of him bashing fighters and giving bullshit rumour info to BE as “fact” if you want to look. Those are just the two that i noticed as i was reading the relevant articles/comments.
And I maintain that TRT is a medical issue and not PED
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by Matthew Roth on Jul 29, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
as does Marquardt, Sonnen and his manager
I think that’s bullshit but it is what it is.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 29, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean you admit you’re not a doctor? FOR SHAME
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 29, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait
Someone having too much TESTOSTERONE and failing a test for that reason isn’t PED?
Scratches head
So… When guys get suspended for having elevated testosterone levels… thats them failing a medical? Because I thought that was them failing a drug test.
If someone gets suspended because of the result of a test that shows they have PED levels of a substance in their blood – that’s considered PED by most people.
This isn’t Marquardt failing a medical, it’s marquardt having unnaturally high levels of testosterone. If that’s not PED related I don’t know what is.
by Decado on Jul 29, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Of course it’s a PED issue. That’s the only reason the commission is interested in regulating it. Just admit when you’re wrong. It’s easier.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 29, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
He had a licensed physician tell him what to do...
far as I’m concerned that’s a medical condition.
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by Matthew Roth on Jul 30, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
You do realise..
That the majority of sports stars caught using PEDs were prescribed those PEDs by a doctor, right?
A doctor prescribing steroids doesn’t stop them from being steroids.
There are plenty of medications Doctors can prescribe that you CANNOT use in sports because they Enhance Performance
by Decado on Jul 30, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I'm just saying...as far as I'm concerned
It was a medical reason and it just happened to be bad timing and the way it was handled. That and my source was as close to that situation as you can get so at the time, what I said was correct.
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by Matthew Roth on Jul 30, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Your source lied to you to protect their client and you bought it and regurgitated it – it happens. No one really believes you’re so dense as to think Nate actually failed a medical (he didn’t) or that elevated levels of testosterone due to a fighter being injected with testosterone isn’t a PED (it is).
You should really learn to just go “Ok, I fucked up, I took them at their word and repeated it as fact when I shouldn’t have.” Playing pedantic tag isn’t fooling anyone.
by Decado on Jul 30, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Were it not within the context of trying to get a TUE for TRT, it would be a drug problem only.
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by The American Ronin on Jul 30, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I suppose someone has to stick up for real flimsy cover stories here

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I’m going to assume roth slept with your girlfriend and/or mother
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by Baby Wads on Jul 29, 2011 5:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
good for you
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
by rohedron on Jul 29, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Good for Roth.
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by pdl on Jul 30, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Have to agree, in a way...
The Kim Couture piece was definitely NOT Bloody Elbow-worthy, as I have found this site to be one of three most professional MMA news & opinion sites. However he is an excellent writer when he’s on top of his game, so let’s see which direction he heads.
by Colin Paul Kowlessar on Jul 29, 2011 6:03 PM EDT reply actions
dream on
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
by rohedron on Jul 29, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
His "Kaufmann is an uppity bitch" article
Was far worse than anything I’ve seen Roth write here.
Roth’s MMA rankings on the other hand…
by Gitaroo_Dude on Jul 29, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yes, but Snowden’s writing is actually good…that piece was not. Its not the content that is the issue, its the high school level format. When fanposts appear that way, they get either ridiculed or no comments, but we expect a little more from BE staff.
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by tigerlee on Jul 30, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I rather enjoyed that one. I’d frame it on my mantle.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Jul 30, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If I want snark
I’ll read the comments section; there’s plenty of it arrayed, Golden Corral – style. And if it takes snark like this article above to combat snark like the Roth “Report”, I’ll make the occasional exception. It is for the greater good, (proclaimed in a Hot Fuzz desultory drone).
BAHAHAHAHAHA
This is too funny. Big ego? Classic.
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And I like how you speak for Nate and the “BE caretakers”. Brilliant.
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I wouldn’t mind one of those open letters in the FanPost, but it really did seem out of place to be put on the main page.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 29, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Your comment is funny yet has some truth to it. Is that the end goal? To have the new MMA Nation site absorb BE, just as the UFC did to the WEC? Seems like a pretty smart strategy – SB Nation picks up all of the little MMA blogs, brings them into the fold long enough to get their audiences/traffic, diverts their traffic, then shuts down the lower performing blog. Damn you Markos! You evil genius!
we're not shutting down BE
never and no matter what.
But BE is a site by and for fans. Nation is our attempt to go pro.
2 different goals.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 29, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
For the sake of the BE crew, I really hope you guys moved beyond the original ad-sales-sharing model. If not, then it’s pretty clear you’re getting sold a load of Amway Global. And I say this out of respect for you guys and thinking you should get what you deserve. I followed Luke over from Mad Squabbles and can attest to the fact that all of your hard work paid off. It’s amazing how far BE has come and I would hate to see the community poached. If anyone is going to be getting that new beach house, I think it should be you guys.
Voluntary subscription program?
Are there any plans for BE to have some sort of voluntary subscription setup with some token benefits (larger avatars or whatever)?
I run a company developing and publishing software for online communities and sites, and a lot of people seriously overestimate how much the guys running them make.
I’d love to be able to contribute to see the guys putting in the time and effort get the rewards they deserve, i’m sure a lot of others would too.
Sweat Heaven in the sky,
who gives a shit?
So then me and my homeboy TheFilt snithed all over them hoes!
Someone has to White Knight for the poor damsel in distress
by Gitaroo_Dude on Jul 29, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
In the "Damsel in distress" metaphore
Is it me, bloody elbow, or Kim Couture who needs White Knighting?
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by Matthew Roth on Jul 29, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point, all 3.
So I guess Rohedron is Kim’s White Knight while Burke is your Black Knight and we’re just waiting for BE’s defender to show up.
by Gitaroo_Dude on Jul 29, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
what is Sweat Heaven, some sort of 24 Hour Fitness for Christians?
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by tigerlee on Jul 30, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd
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by BVandDietPepsi on Jul 30, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Its official, Roth has made it. I hope he keeps up the good work and continues to look like Tim Sylvia.
Did you see the size of that chicken?
well, if by good work you mean the precise opposite (in terms of continued output) hopefully he will quickly be moved over to MMA Nation… if by good work, you mean… like… genuinely good work, then afaiac – BE will be all the better for his presence.
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
by rohedron on Jul 29, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
this is almost too serious for a “u mad” gif.
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why so serios?
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by Matthew Roth on Jul 29, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
This is how you know you've made it
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by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
--

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by Zachary Kater on Jul 29, 2011 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Oh my god he IS retarded
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by Charles Awad on Jul 30, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dat'z bananas girl.
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by RolloTomasi on Jul 30, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha
Literally watched my first episode of that show two weeks ago. I’m now almost done with season four.
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by Charles Awad on Jul 30, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That show is so good.
season 5 was their worst, and I thought the show had run it’s course but this last season was great so…
Learn JiuJitsu.
Always looking for that new danger.
Well GREAT
I’m currently at the finale for season four, but I’m sure I’ll tear through five pretty quickly.
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by Charles Awad on Jul 30, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It's always sunny in Philadelphia.
On FX

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by RolloTomasi on Jul 30, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
When that first aired a few years back
I nearly lost my shit.
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Always looking for that new danger.
OH
Well, damn, I had a suspicion it might be, but I didn’t recognize the quote. Yes, great show, I’ve just took up re-watching it lately, am currently middle of season three.
by Horselover Fat on Jul 30, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Best season of the series
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by BVandDietPepsi on Jul 30, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He rode the short bus.
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by RolloTomasi on Jul 31, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm quite proud of you right now, Matt
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 29, 2011 9:03 PM EDT reply actions
Seems like this would be counter-productive if you are concerned about Roth’s ego. Much like the Stanky Leg fanpost.
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Damn...
Man you look like a cross between Tim Sylvia & James Caldwell…
Just prove ’em wrong, Mr. Roth…
by Colin Paul Kowlessar on Jul 29, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
listen dude
we all love to hate on the shit stirrers, but honestly we all miss nate’s tin foil hat and snowden being snowden
roth has talent, he may never be as good as the two legends we had in the past but just sit back, enjoy, and argue with everyone
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we all miss nate’s tin foil hat and snowden being snowden
I really do not.
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by Goonisis on Jul 30, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I certainly do.
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by The American Ronin on Aug 1, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Legends?
That is all. I can take no more of that. When actual journalist are ignored, and the shit stirrers, chicken little’s screaming the sky is falling, doom and gloom types receive more praise than the people who actually deserve it, I’m no longer sure if this sport can be taken as serious anymore.
No where else in the sports world are there more fans who show their immaturity and their ignorance so openly than in MMA. Kind of makes you wonder why you ever come back to forums and sites to check the news on a daily basis, if this is what you can expect.
I posted below how much I enjoy staying on twitter when it comes to relying on staying up to date on breaking news before anyone else is able to, plus it’s twitter so you don’t have to put up with a million comments on how stupid your comment on how stupid someone else comment was.
You are able to see what you want to see, and it’s more of a public type place, therefore jackasses are too afraid to act like jackasses as they seem to have no problem doing so on the mma forums.
No more wading thru nonsensical bullshit, no more unwarranted insults. You have something you want to say, say it on twitter, you are less inclined to act immature and show your ignorance on a place where You control who reads your messages, and whose messages you are willing to put up with.
by Fantomasnomore on Jul 30, 2011 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions
well then
go ahead and take your mma news seriously
personally i like to have a bit of fun with everything and shit stirrers add to the conversation here. i’ve said before roth’s piece and snowdens old stuff help bridge that 2-5 gap at work and lighten the day up a bit
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by milk72 on Jul 30, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
fuck this place ain't what it used to be,
and that is much more a reflection on the community than the writing.
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by Loot on Jul 30, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very clumsily written.
Proof that an expansive vocabulary alone does not a great writer make.
That being said I’ve never liked Roth or his writing but that’s why I skip his pieces. I’d advise you to do the same instead of whining about how he’s a cancer to the site as it won’t change anything.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 30, 2011 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i can see
your clearly superior intellect at work, thank you for your input.
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
by rohedron on Jul 30, 2011 4:48 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Didn't say or imply that I'm smarter than you.
You act like such an asshole to any sort of unfavorable response. To quote you:
the form of your attack comes across as gutter-sniping and unncessary (sic)
Maybe you shouldn’t be a member of the community if all you want is for people to tell you you’re right and never have a critical thing to say.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 30, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I wonder who is rec’ing him at this point, raging M.Roth haters? Does one really need to rec crap like to prove a point?
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by Matthew Roth on Jul 30, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess summary judgment
is neither clumsy nor smart in thinking it can hide in open sight.
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
See that's where you are wrong.
That’s exactly how we do go about changing the landscape of MMA journalism. We, the fans, should demand better professionalism from the people who cover this sport, if we are to consider this a sport to begin with.
In order to see some sort of change in the way this sport is covered, it has to start as close to the top as it gets. The top being the people who run the sport, the middle being the media, the middle-men who report the news, who bring the breaking stories from management or from the fighters(the top), who then bring the news and stories to the fans(the bottom).
I’ve railed forever about how pathetic the coverage pertaining to this sport has been. Atrocious really. Even the people who are considered “the best” in the business, most of them only got where they are today because they were fortunate enough to be one of a handful of writers (I’m not ignorant enough to call them journalist) around early enough to be considered “journalist”, and I use that term as loosely as possible. People can say Josh Gross is a journalist all they want, I’m not buying it. Same for Tomas Rios, Sherwood, etc… Covering something almost from it’s inception does not make someone a journalist. Bloggers are not journalist unless they actually went to college to get a degree of some form in journalism, then they end up starting a blog on the side. Doesn’t mean they give up their day job, it just means they still cover the sport, but are able to take the time and take their knowledge and put it into a form that’s easily accessible for the viewing public in small, easy to digest publications. Anyway…
The strangest thing I’ve seen are people who consider themselves actual media members, actual journalist, either talk shit or try to bury Iole, Gareth A. Davies, Franklin McNeil and one or two other actual, professional journalist for their style of coverage.
If anyone actually believes any one of those guys I mentioned are not Journalist, I’m afraid you are a lost cause. You’ve been exposed to the HuffPost’s of the world for far too long.
That type of news is the furthest thing from actual, college degree toting, “card carrying” media members who can accurately cover the news without some form of bias that doesn’t show thru. Does Iole shill for Dana White? Of course he does, but that gets him actual news stories.
Nothing wrong with that and if any of you knew anything about how stories are broke and actual news is reported in other areas, one would recognize who truly is capable of doing this sport a service, unlike 98% of the blogs, rumor sites, joke word press pages, bloggers, snarky ass critical hypocrites, and all around negative assholes that currently make it harder and harder for people who actually enjoy keeping up with every little detail about such a small yet quickly booming sport, still in it’s infancy.
It’s one of the reasons I’ve turned to twitter more and more over the past 2 1/2 years. I get more intelligent, accurate, and speedy news breaks on twitter, from the people who know how to break a news story, long before most of these glorified blog sites are capable of.
They’ve actually caught on to how things are on twitter lately. It wasn’t always like that though. Even still, UFC has learned the best way to control who learns about what and when, is to break things theirselves.
There is something inherently wrong with that, and the reason why goes back to the whole point of this argument. If there were more professional writers and journalist covering the sport, willing to do their jobs and go out and cover MMA as if it were any other topic any other actual member of any other type of media would, UFC wouldn’t feel compelled to turn to social media to do their jobs for them.
That’s probably a lie, UFC would still turn to twitter to try to subvert the narrative, to control the print the best they could, but at least there would be some form of legitimate resistance, unlike there is today.
Tomas Rios telling fans, people who help make this sport what it is today, their participation of the sport, telling them “I’ll shut you down so fast, It’s not even funny”, all because some fan had a criticism of a fight/fighter and called into a radio talk show?
Josh Gross writing a snarky, arrogant open letter to the owners of the single successful mma organization, coming off as an immature prick who felt like mma was his sport and his sport alone, telling said owners how they should run their business, and doing it in such an open forum, what else did he expect Dana to eventually do, other than ban him.
How was any of that professional journalism, forget professional behavior.
I remember media members, (the longer this post runs, the more embarrassed I am at calling them media members) some of which worked here at BE, kidnate I’m looking at you, criticized Franklin McNeil for the information he broke hours before the fight, that Shogun had actually damaged his knee on the run up to the week of the fight, yet was willing to continue anyway.
They bashed the shit out of Franklin and to this day I still have yet to hear a valid excuse on why. Maybe it was how he did it, hours before the main event, but when else was he supposed to break the news?
As soon as he find out anything that could be considered breaking news, that when.
The point being, most of them bashed the hell out of him, until there was enough doubt cast on whether or not his reporting was accurate, only to find out on 3 different occasions, at 3 different times, that yes indeed Shogun had tore his knee up, exactly how McNeil had reported.
Last I checked, from all the years of following other sports, other entities where breaking of the news is involved, that’s what professional journalism is supposed to look like. Not some stupid fucking blog.
by Fantomasnomore on Jul 30, 2011 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
To be fair, Gareth A Davies is terrible.
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by Jack.Barrington on Jul 30, 2011 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions
this should have been it's own fanpost...ahem...open letter
I consider myself a softcore fan.
I want to know where I rank according to this guy
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The idea that you can’t be a journalist unless you go to J-School is so wrongheaded and ridiculous I almost stopped reading. Then I saw how long the rest of it was and I definitely stopped reading.
by FightingFighting on Jul 30, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This is all of the place and is almost incomprehensible
But I was finally able to recognize that it’s complete garbage. You’re just whining without any type of constructive criticism or cohesive message. At all. So, I gather you don’t like Jeff Sherwood, Tomas Rios, or Josh Gross for their lack of journalistic competence. You do, however, like Franklin “Dos Santos via submission” McNeil, Kevin “UFC 4 Eva” Iole, and Gareth A. Davies. The litmus test, judging by your diatribe, is that the latter group members have journalism degrees. That single criteria appears to be the deciding factor in what a “Journalist” is. And really, does it need to be capitalized? That seems excessive.
Moving on, I can point out a multitude of mainstream Journalists engaging in the exact same behavior you deride that you appear to have missed in all your years of following other sports. Or, more likely, you ignored because it weakens your point.
So, in the end, what exactly is your point? That a sport in its infancy doesn’t have the same media attention as others? That the advent of the Internet has given birth to a new model of media that blurs the relationship between provider and consumer?
Here’s an idea: do it yourself. Because contrary to your self-accolade about you’ve “railed forever about how pathetic the coverage pertaining to this sport has been”, bitching about stuff ad naseum is pretty worthless in the grand scheme of things. If you know what right looks like, make it happen. Don’t just point at something and screech and feel you’ve done your part. From the lengthy of this manifesto, you certainly appear to have enjoyed typing it.
Lastly, I might suggest that before you write another thing, get yourself a journalism degree (it’s required, I’m told).
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Aug 1, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed,
strong prose is concise and simple. The author’s syntax is way too jumbled
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 31, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
pls
accept my apologies if the poor syntax stopped you from understanding what had been written obviously the bones of the language are important if one is to keep to a certain standard your contribution is noted
R.
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
Strange
so you…
Dont like Roth
so you…
Skip his work
but you…
Read fanposts about Roth
then you…
Comment on said fanpost, encouraging others to skip his work as well.
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YOU SHOW THAT JERSEY FUCK!

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by pdl on Jul 30, 2011 2:04 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
SPINNING BACK FIST
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by RolloTomasi on Jul 30, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
BOOBS
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by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 31, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I assume that is Jersey Shore...
…I don’t watch that drivel….speaking of Jersey, is there a BE meet up at UFC 133 in Philly? Even though he is not fighting, I volunteer to hold up that ginormous BROCK LESNAR banner if that helps make it happen…..
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by BrothersGottaAndyHug on Jul 30, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve never felt he has an ego. This seems like a knee jerk overraction for no reason. I even follow the guy on Twitter and never felt anything bad towards him. Calm down dude. “Why so serious” is right.
"I have reached an age when, if someone tells me to wear socks, I don't have to."- Albert Einstein
Honestly, guys, quit bitching. This isn’t JUST a news site. If you want news without a lot of objectivity, go find another site. Roth was stating his opinion on a subject. He was giving commentary on a person who is within the sport. Commentary is a part of journalism. Those of you who bitch about it being untimely and irrelevant, you may have some point. But, this issue has been reported on in great detail in the past few weeks.
If you want MMA news with no opinions or commentary, go to MMA Junkie. Don’t read the comment sections here. In fact, you probably want to stay away from all media and people in general. Too many thoughts being thrown out there, right?
by mountaineers101 on Jul 30, 2011 4:01 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Having a negative view of the Couture article doesn’t mean someone mustn’t like opinion pieces (they’re the main reason I come here). Personally there are some editorials I like, and some I dislike, and I agree with others saying this article falls into the latter group.
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its
precisely the act of caring about what to me makes BE a site that warrants such care that motivates this post. If it becomes apparent that BE (even all along) is actually something other than I thought, then its just another change in the weather.
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
Who said that epistolography is dead.
"... All reined up in old language and old assumptions, straining to jump clean-hoofed on to a whole new track of being I only suspect is there. I can't see it, because my educated, average head is being held at the wrong angle..."
Ha!
Although I’ll freely admit, I had to look that one up…
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by The American Ronin on Jul 30, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I get why Roth would get quite a bit of hate here. But telling him he looks like Tim Sylvia is harsh, rude, cruel, unusual and borderline criminal.
by IRodC on Jul 30, 2011 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I’m more than a little surprised at the reaction to Roth’s piece, especially since it seems that the majority of the criticism has to do with the fact that it was posted at all rather than the opinions expressed within. With that in mind, some thoughts.
1. “Must be a slow news day…” – If it hasn’t been made clear in the past, this will garner a warning or ban, depending on your past history, your length of stay on the site, etc. If you have a valid criticism, by all means, comment, but don’t resort to ad hominems.
2. “This doesn’t belong on Bloody Elbow.” Says who? It’s an opinion editorial, which has been a big part of the site for awhile now. Again, you’re more than welcome to criticize his opinions or his tone or the writing itself, but don’t tell us what does or does not belong on the site. If you guys want to influence our editorial decisions, don’t click on stuff like this. Because guess what? Up until Strikeforce released Overeem, this was the number one viewed post on the site.
I’m not asking you guys to like everything on the site. I don’t expect you to. But it’s more than a little frustrating to hear “This doesn’t belong on the site,” because you don’t agree with the substance of it.
I also find the “tin foil hat” Kid Nate and opining Snowden revisionism more than a little amusing. This is the exact same reaction those pieces would get.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 30, 2011 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
I also find the "tin foil hat" Kid Nate and opining Snowden revisionism more than a little amusing. This is the exact same reaction those pieces would get.
Fickle MMA fans…
Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves
Yes, fuck, EXACTLY!
When the hell did Snowden get so many nostalgic fanboys?
by Fake Emcee on Jul 30, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My reaction was "meh"
and plus he banned you for making a Boondocks reference and presented it as being totally justified afterwards.
I think I’ve just been misunderstood. It was a weird interpretation of my comment though. It sure wasn’t justified, I didn’t say anything back then, but it was bullshit. I could have turned that shit backward, but well, I’m not mmalogic, I have no immunity (or hyper resistance) to ban.
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You're talking like Snowden stepped on your sneakers.
Even odds that they were Nike.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 31, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
What sucks, is that valid points that needed to be made about Kim Couture were overshadowed by the venom that accompanied them. It speaks volumes that the staff has defended an article that went the route of a personal attack rather than a professional and legitimate dissection of Kim Couture and her situation.
I don’t think there’s anything surprising about the reaction the article got. That kind of personal attack, warranted or not, isn’t what I have come to Bloody Elbow for years to get. It wasn’t up to the standard of professionalism that I have appreciated Bloody Elbow for having. Plenty of people are willing to overlook the nature of the article due to the humor, which is understandable, but I am not. Roth is talented, and could be just as humorous in a piece that wasn’t an outright personal attack, I don’t doubt that at all. Although, he did say that he wasn’t really trying to be funny in the comments of the article.
I don’t think people were saying “This doesn’t belong on the site,” because they disagreed with the substance. Not at all.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 30, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
THIS^^^
perfectly stated. rec’d
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by John Danaher's Hair on Jul 30, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it’s nearly as venomous as people are making it out to be.
Now, this is venom: http://goo.gl/Jwwal
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He seemed only a poor clod like those around him, deluded by a childish theology, full of an almost pathological hatred of all learning, all human dignity, all beauty, all fine and noble things. He was a peasant come home to the dung-pile. Imagine a gentleman, and you have imagined everything that he was not.
When you put it that way, Roth’s open letter was child’s play.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 30, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, if Roth had Mencken’s prose style I think people would be more forgiving of his venom.
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by Jack.Barrington on Jul 30, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
If Roth had Mencken’s prose style, most of our readers wouldn’t understand what they were reading.
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Shit
I’ve read most of Mencken’s works but wow that was awesome.
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by Robert Cowan on Jul 30, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Last time I checked, the only people capable of controlling content on BE were staff.
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
i feel u blood
the pressure lol
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
please dont ban me....
but this is insane.
1. "Must be a slow news day…" – If it hasn’t been made clear in the past, this will garner a warning or ban, depending on your past history, your length of stay on the site, etc. If you have a valid criticism, by all means, comment, but don’t resort to ad hominems.
You guys let people get on here and bicker and squabble all day long… but if someone says “must be a slow news day” they get the ban?
Isnt that a little bit extremely sensitive?
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It is pointless and adds nothing. People kept doing it when asked to stop.
Just chalk it up to Rule #4.
The North remembers...
Would you like Freys with that?
Are the rules posted anywhere?
I was looking for them earlier and can’t find them.
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Aug 1, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I read the open letter by Mr Roth, then again I read most of the stuff published on this blog.
I found it in poor taste and with very little value. Hrmmm I think that was an euphemism, that piece had no value.
Instead of this sort of heated response to questionable quality of his work I will just skip his further pieces on this generally awesome site. Mr Roth and I have better things to do.
There is no point to being upset or angry with this kind of pieces as they aim exactly at that sort of feedback.
Clickityclick onto some more interesting topics.
This post makes me sad for humanity
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I too am shocked that a site that revolves around copy + pasting articles with a loose opinion around it doesn’t have real journalists. They have “sources” but it seems they never have exclusives, just like I know how the world will end, but I won’t tell you until after it happens.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
Wow
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Look Roth! Someone important hates you…I’m still so proud, because you’re legitimizing our site. Can you piss off maybe 1500 more MMA athletes? it will be so great for Bloody Elbow.
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by tigerlee on Jul 30, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Hopefully...
The BE staff will realize now that the fact Matt’s garbage gets posted to the front page harms The reputation of the place.
No one is saying the guy should be banned from BE, but his stuff getting put onto the front page when it’s juvenile and spiteful sends out a terrible message to anyone who reads BE – including the sportsmen and women the site is supposed to cover.
by Decado on Jul 30, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
It’s working out well for Rupert Murdoch isn’t it.
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by DirtyML on Jul 30, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rebuttal Roth?
Roth…….
Hello?
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cricket
cricket
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Learn JiuJitsu.
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He doesn’t wake up before 3PM PST.
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by DirtyML on Jul 30, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
HOLY SHIT
You’re friends with Randy Couture?!?!
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by Charles Awad on Jul 30, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nah, he only uses his last name to get publicity.
"... All reined up in old language and old assumptions, straining to jump clean-hoofed on to a whole new track of being I only suspect is there. I can't see it, because my educated, average head is being held at the wrong angle..."
by dancingChicken on Jul 30, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
All Roth was saying is that Kim has no business in a cage/ring against established professionals, and he’s 100% right. Shes made a career out of using her name to get fights, and doesnt have ANY of the talent required to be competitive at that level. Neither did Jason Thacker though lol.
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She is terrible at MMA, but lots of people are, doesn’t mean she doesn’t deserve the opportunity to win, she just loses all the time. It’s her fault, but she is allowed to lose, it’s her blood and her paycheck, I don’t think she should compete professionally but it is her choice.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
You condensed it well enough, he should have as well…but we all know that already. It was plain lame writing that pissed people off, not the content.
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
No holds barred, no time for move fakin,
Gots to get the loot so I can bring home the bacon - Charlie Brown
Just read that Kim Couture article and I don’t agree withy the way it was written at all. There was a point to be made and it was made in the worst possible way. If it was a fanpost would it have stayed or would it have been deleted by the staff?
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lol.
Vote- Roth.
All of this crying is so ridiculous, and utterly pointless. Everything he said about her was basically the truth, regardless of how negative. BJ Penn, Rashad Evans, and Frank Mir all get more hate than that on a consistent basis throughout a majority of online communities. Waaaah, someone said Kim shouldn’t fight. Oh NO! Mathew Roth posted an article that summarized the consensus that has been spewed about this woman throughout her fighting career, pre and post divorce . All you have to do is look up the articles on BE alone that mention Kim and look through the comment sections. This is an overreaction, hardly worth the time spent on it, but then again that must be the “point” you’re trying to make. Blah.
GreenHouse
not sure i see the problem
I should be clear here in saying that I’m not necessarily saying the critique inherent in these latter pieces is actually incorrect, merely that the form of your attack comes across as gutter-sniping and unncessary (a bit like this you say… no really?).
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
I'm new here but...
Roth is entitled to his opinion just as you are. If you don’t like it, don’t read it.
Simple as that.
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well
hopefully you’ll stick around and maybe you’ll find yourself challengening your present perception, maybe you wont, simple or not.
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
Quite possibly
I look forward to reading more from everyone, I got some catching up to do
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by Arron Duckling on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, it's hard to argue with results
Matthew and KJ Gould absolutely nailed the Strikeforce predictions, with the sole exception being the Saffiedine fight where they both (understandably) missed the huge upset victory prediction. Otherwise, if you had bet money on their picks you’d be wealthier today. I’d say Matthew has some very valuable information to impart. Whether you like the style in which he delivers it, you can’t dismiss out of hand what he has to say.
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