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An Open Letter to Matthew Roth

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Dear Matthew,

Since you seem to have become a member of staff at BE (although you're not on the front page staff list) and the prospect that you may produce more vomitous pieces is increasing, it seems necessary to address a few things.

You seem to have two modes of writing; one is the factual 'reporting' style piece such as the Armed forces combat report you did the other day, which as a piece of writing is definitely adequate and was something I could bring myself to enjoy.  I even commented on that piece how you seemed to demonstrate something akin to a respectful tone towards the women fighters and who could fail to notice the whole load of other factual pieces from you that have been posted on BE recently.  I doubt there can be many complaints about this kind of contribution.

The second is this kind of attention grabbing, 'News International' type of low bitching snarkery which we haven't seen much of on BE and is one of the reasons BE is a quality site favoured by many - it doesn't pander to rubbing people's faces in excremental troll-bile from staff.

Star-divide

Anyone unfortunate enough to encounter your micro-tenure on BE Radio (so what happened there?) may be aware of the tendency for your quite magnificent ego to swell from your mouth at unwarranted and numerous occasions.  Perhaps the kind of ego that makes you believe that you are so much better than others that you can actually write an open letter of the bilious kind,  which appears to demonstrate a certain taste for judgemental vitriol rather than a humorous barb as you may position it.

I should be clear here in saying that I'm not necessarily saying the critique inherent in these latter pieces is actually incorrect, merely that the form of your attack comes across as gutter-sniping and unncessary (a bit like this you say... no really?).

I recall on your single BE radio broadcast (or was there more than one?) that you pretty much shat on WMMA (something many may agree with) but which I commented at the time was poor from BE where a certain standard of commentary and dialogue is what many have come to enjoy, as such it was a relief when you were no longer present as a participant.  I now note in your role as a staff member here on BE that you are offering your predictions on the upcoming Strikeforce 135lb title match, even though you revelled in your disinterest on WMMA a few months back, slightly disingenuous wouldn't you say? Or a change of heart? If I recall correctly your tone at the time was that of WMMA being something you wouldn't use to wipe your faecal crack with.

But let's cut to the chase here, I am hoping that you are not going to be a permanent addition to BE in a way that just generally lowers the tone and brings the value and level of BE down to some of the cack on other sites. 

It maybe amusing to you and something that generates comments to write 'open letters', but BE caretakers have to assess the overall impact of something like this.  It is both a fine line and a slippery slope, some pieces that resemble this kind of thing can be genuinely brilliant, but Nate knows BE will never be an advertiser's golden ticket, so there's no need to pander to cheap traffic trollery.

Have you left Headkick legend or what?

If so, much more of this type of sputum and you'll need to head back...

Your biggest fan,


Rohedron

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ladies and gents...

the doors are open.

'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'

by rohedron on Jul 29, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would not accept that as a characterisation of this piece.

'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'

by rohedron on Jul 30, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

When has he ever done that?
would have been funny if the guy wasn’t positioning himself as an actual journalist.

1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Jul 29, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just some quotes

Marquardts firing: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/6/25/2244184/dana-white-announces-nate-marquardt-cut-from-ufc-for-failed-medicals

“Since I’m tired of this speculation

I’ve been in contact with his manager…when it was first rumored that he was out I got the following text: "Nate was not MEDICALLY CLEARED. More soon."

It wasn’t PEDs, that was confirmed to me. It wasn’t weight issues, EKC from all elbows confirmed he was on weight this morning. It is medical. Quit speculating until the info is released."

That was followed by a BE’r @mostdiabolicalhater pointing out we already had that info – Roth replied with a snarky “my info that i gave them” retort. Which means BE was reporting shit this guy was saying – even though it was bullshit.

Later on he said

“And the fact that I actually have the info you guys are being retarts about is hilarious to me.”

Which since his info was wrong makes him the retart i guess .

Later:

“It’s MEDICAL

and not PEDs or Weight cut issues.

Poor ticket sales + Negotiating TV deal + Last Minute medical failure.

The UFC wouldn’t fire someone for failing medicals, but the circumstances make it unique which is why there’s the harsh penalty."

As you can see the staff at BE accept info from him as reliable (which he brags about) even when it’s clearly not. So yeah, from that it seems like he’s trying to position himself as a journalist.

Matt on the Barnett situation: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/6/8/2213483/josh-barnett-unlicensed-texas-strikeforce-overeem-werdum-mma-news

“Goddammit Josh.

I hate the guy but come on man, you knew you needed a license. YOU KNEW YOU NEEDED A LICENSE! HOW DO YOU WAIT THIS LONG?!"

“Cause he shouldn’t be in the process

he should have a god damn license. This is his way of getting back at Zuffa and it’s bullshit."

“Exactly. This isn’t a case of “first time offender doesn’t know the process”

this is a case of long time offender who doesn’t care about the licensing process disregarding everything and putting another fight in danger."

Regardless of whether or not HE claims to be a journo, he is represented as such on BE by virtue of having his crap posted to the frontpage.

I’m sure there are tons of other examples of him bashing fighters and giving bullshit rumour info to BE as “fact” if you want to look. Those are just the two that i noticed as i was reading the relevant articles/comments.

by Decado on Jul 29, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I maintain that TRT is a medical issue and not PED

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by Matthew Roth on Jul 29, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

as does Marquardt, Sonnen and his manager

I think that’s bullshit but it is what it is.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 29, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean you admit you’re not a doctor? FOR SHAME

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 29, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had a licensed physician tell him what to do...

far as I’m concerned that’s a medical condition.

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by Matthew Roth on Jul 30, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just saying...as far as I'm concerned

It was a medical reason and it just happened to be bad timing and the way it was handled. That and my source was as close to that situation as you can get so at the time, what I said was correct.

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by Matthew Roth on Jul 30, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

dude, save your breath. He aint never gonna man up.

by Robust23 on Jul 30, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Were it not within the context of trying to get a TUE for TRT, it would be a drug problem only.

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by The American Ronin on Jul 30, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose someone has to stick up for real flimsy cover stories here

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by T.P. Grant on Jul 30, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. Medical issue not PED

by PML on Jul 30, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to assume roth slept with your girlfriend and/or mother

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by Baby Wads on Jul 29, 2011 5:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Have to agree, in a way...

The Kim Couture piece was definitely NOT Bloody Elbow-worthy, as I have found this site to be one of three most professional MMA news & opinion sites. However he is an excellent writer when he’s on top of his game, so let’s see which direction he heads.

by Colin Paul Kowlessar on Jul 29, 2011 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

That article was worse for the sport than Gus’s lipstick.

Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves

by spectaa on Jul 30, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I rather enjoyed that one. I’d frame it on my mantle.

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by BVandDietPepsi on Jul 30, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I want snark

I’ll read the comments section; there’s plenty of it arrayed, Golden Corral – style. And if it takes snark like this article above to combat snark like the Roth “Report”, I’ll make the occasional exception. It is for the greater good, (proclaimed in a Hot Fuzz desultory drone).

by Dootch on Jul 29, 2011 6:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Open letters are definitely not my thing. Oh I might have an idea for a fanpost:
An Open letter to Open letters.

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by spectaa on Jul 29, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

BAHAHAHAHAHA

This is too funny. Big ego? Classic.

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by Tim Burke on Jul 29, 2011 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

And I like how you speak for Nate and the “BE caretakers”. Brilliant.

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by Tim Burke on Jul 29, 2011 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind one of those open letters in the FanPost, but it really did seem out of place to be put on the main page.

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by chrisbboy82 on Jul 29, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Professionalism is for MMA Nation dammit! This is just all part of the process of driving traffic over to the new MMA hub.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 29, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your comment is funny yet has some truth to it. Is that the end goal? To have the new MMA Nation site absorb BE, just as the UFC did to the WEC? Seems like a pretty smart strategy – SB Nation picks up all of the little MMA blogs, brings them into the fold long enough to get their audiences/traffic, diverts their traffic, then shuts down the lower performing blog. Damn you Markos! You evil genius!

by Lucas2 on Jul 29, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

we're not shutting down BE

never and no matter what.
But BE is a site by and for fans. Nation is our attempt to go pro.
2 different goals.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 29, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the sake of the BE crew, I really hope you guys moved beyond the original ad-sales-sharing model. If not, then it’s pretty clear you’re getting sold a load of Amway Global. And I say this out of respect for you guys and thinking you should get what you deserve. I followed Luke over from Mad Squabbles and can attest to the fact that all of your hard work paid off. It’s amazing how far BE has come and I would hate to see the community poached. If anyone is going to be getting that new beach house, I think it should be you guys.

by Lucas2 on Jul 29, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Voluntary subscription program?

Are there any plans for BE to have some sort of voluntary subscription setup with some token benefits (larger avatars or whatever)?

I run a company developing and publishing software for online communities and sites, and a lot of people seriously overestimate how much the guys running them make.

I’d love to be able to contribute to see the guys putting in the time and effort get the rewards they deserve, i’m sure a lot of others would too.

by Decado on Jul 30, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sweat Heaven in the sky,

who gives a shit?

So then me and my homeboy TheFilt snithed all over them hoes!

by Fake Emcee on Jul 29, 2011 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

In the "Damsel in distress" metaphore

Is it me, bloody elbow, or Kim Couture who needs White Knighting?

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by Matthew Roth on Jul 29, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point, all 3.

So I guess Rohedron is Kim’s White Knight while Burke is your Black Knight and we’re just waiting for BE’s defender to show up.

by Gitaroo_Dude on Jul 29, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don’t see any white knights in this thing.

'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'

by rohedron on Jul 31, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

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by BVandDietPepsi on Jul 30, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its official, Roth has made it. I hope he keeps up the good work and continues to look like Tim Sylvia.

Did you see the size of that chicken?

by Heenan on Jul 29, 2011 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

well, if by good work you mean the precise opposite (in terms of continued output) hopefully he will quickly be moved over to MMA Nation… if by good work, you mean… like… genuinely good work, then afaiac – BE will be all the better for his presence.

'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'

by rohedron on Jul 29, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Haha.. That was quick..

by Johann on Jul 29, 2011 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

this is almost too serious for a “u mad” gif.

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by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2011 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

why so serios?

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by Matthew Roth on Jul 29, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is how you know you've made it

the artist formerly known as amadeus

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by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jon Fitch via Decision

by Dustin Luff on Jul 29, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh my god he IS retarded

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by Charles Awad on Jul 30, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dat'z bananas girl.

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by RolloTomasi on Jul 30, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haha

Literally watched my first episode of that show two weeks ago. I’m now almost done with season four.

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by Charles Awad on Jul 30, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That show is so good.

season 5 was their worst, and I thought the show had run it’s course but this last season was great so…

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by RolloTomasi on Jul 30, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well GREAT

I’m currently at the finale for season four, but I’m sure I’ll tear through five pretty quickly.

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by Charles Awad on Jul 30, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

What show are y’all talking about?

by Horselover Fat on Jul 30, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

When that first aired a few years back

I nearly lost my shit.

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by RolloTomasi on Jul 30, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the show that started this...

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by RolloTomasi on Jul 30, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

OH

Well, damn, I had a suspicion it might be, but I didn’t recognize the quote. Yes, great show, I’ve just took up re-watching it lately, am currently middle of season three.

by Horselover Fat on Jul 30, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best season of the series

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by BVandDietPepsi on Jul 30, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does that guy have like a little foot?

by zstraub65 on Jul 31, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

He rode the short bus.

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by RolloTomasi on Jul 31, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm quite proud of you right now, Matt

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 29, 2011 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Seems like this would be counter-productive if you are concerned about Roth’s ego. Much like the Stanky Leg fanpost.

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by Earl Montclair on Jul 29, 2011 9:04 PM EDT reply actions  

yes

I have no compunction about immediate deletion of this post if this is the general perception.

'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'

by rohedron on Jul 30, 2011 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ego? Moi?

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by Matthew Roth on Jul 29, 2011 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn...

Man you look like a cross between Tim Sylvia & James Caldwell…

Just prove ’em wrong, Mr. Roth…

by Colin Paul Kowlessar on Jul 29, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey author...

you and matt are one in the same… good job pal… tit for tat.

by RECE ROCK on Jul 29, 2011 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

listen dude

we all love to hate on the shit stirrers, but honestly we all miss nate’s tin foil hat and snowden being snowden

roth has talent, he may never be as good as the two legends we had in the past but just sit back, enjoy, and argue with everyone

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by milk72 on Jul 30, 2011 12:46 AM EDT reply actions  

They miss 400+ threads full of hatred.

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by spectaa on Jul 30, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly do.

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by The American Ronin on Aug 1, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Legends?

That is all. I can take no more of that. When actual journalist are ignored, and the shit stirrers, chicken little’s screaming the sky is falling, doom and gloom types receive more praise than the people who actually deserve it, I’m no longer sure if this sport can be taken as serious anymore.

No where else in the sports world are there more fans who show their immaturity and their ignorance so openly than in MMA. Kind of makes you wonder why you ever come back to forums and sites to check the news on a daily basis, if this is what you can expect.

I posted below how much I enjoy staying on twitter when it comes to relying on staying up to date on breaking news before anyone else is able to, plus it’s twitter so you don’t have to put up with a million comments on how stupid your comment on how stupid someone else comment was.

You are able to see what you want to see, and it’s more of a public type place, therefore jackasses are too afraid to act like jackasses as they seem to have no problem doing so on the mma forums.

No more wading thru nonsensical bullshit, no more unwarranted insults. You have something you want to say, say it on twitter, you are less inclined to act immature and show your ignorance on a place where You control who reads your messages, and whose messages you are willing to put up with.

by Fantomasnomore on Jul 30, 2011 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

What exactly does an “actual journalist” do that makes you revere them?

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by Bolshevik on Jul 30, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

well then

go ahead and take your mma news seriously

personally i like to have a bit of fun with everything and shit stirrers add to the conversation here. i’ve said before roth’s piece and snowdens old stuff help bridge that 2-5 gap at work and lighten the day up a bit

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by milk72 on Jul 30, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

fuck this place ain't what it used to be,

and that is much more a reflection on the community than the writing.

GreenHouse

by Loot on Jul 30, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Tell me about it…
Miss the old regulars.

The North remembers...
Would you like Freys with that?

by iiowyn on Aug 1, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very clumsily written.

Proof that an expansive vocabulary alone does not a great writer make.

That being said I’ve never liked Roth or his writing but that’s why I skip his pieces. I’d advise you to do the same instead of whining about how he’s a cancer to the site as it won’t change anything.

What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.

by lowellthehammer on Jul 30, 2011 1:19 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I wonder who is rec’ing him at this point, raging M.Roth haters? Does one really need to rec crap like to prove a point?

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by spectaa on Jul 30, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I rec'd it myself.

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by Matthew Roth on Jul 30, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah fuck it, rec’d.

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by spectaa on Jul 30, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i guess summary judgment

is neither clumsy nor smart in thinking it can hide in open sight.

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by rohedron on Jul 30, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, Gareth A Davies is terrible.

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by Jack.Barrington on Jul 30, 2011 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

DAYUM!

Was it good for you too?

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by RolloTomasi on Jul 30, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to know where I rank according to this guy

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The idea that you can’t be a journalist unless you go to J-School is so wrongheaded and ridiculous I almost stopped reading. Then I saw how long the rest of it was and I definitely stopped reading.

by FightingFighting on Jul 30, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is all of the place and is almost incomprehensible

But I was finally able to recognize that it’s complete garbage. You’re just whining without any type of constructive criticism or cohesive message. At all. So, I gather you don’t like Jeff Sherwood, Tomas Rios, or Josh Gross for their lack of journalistic competence. You do, however, like Franklin “Dos Santos via submission” McNeil, Kevin “UFC 4 Eva” Iole, and Gareth A. Davies. The litmus test, judging by your diatribe, is that the latter group members have journalism degrees. That single criteria appears to be the deciding factor in what a “Journalist” is. And really, does it need to be capitalized? That seems excessive.

Moving on, I can point out a multitude of mainstream Journalists engaging in the exact same behavior you deride that you appear to have missed in all your years of following other sports. Or, more likely, you ignored because it weakens your point.

So, in the end, what exactly is your point? That a sport in its infancy doesn’t have the same media attention as others? That the advent of the Internet has given birth to a new model of media that blurs the relationship between provider and consumer?

Here’s an idea: do it yourself. Because contrary to your self-accolade about you’ve “railed forever about how pathetic the coverage pertaining to this sport has been”, bitching about stuff ad naseum is pretty worthless in the grand scheme of things. If you know what right looks like, make it happen. Don’t just point at something and screech and feel you’ve done your part. From the lengthy of this manifesto, you certainly appear to have enjoyed typing it.

Lastly, I might suggest that before you write another thing, get yourself a journalism degree (it’s required, I’m told).

by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Aug 1, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed,

strong prose is concise and simple. The author’s syntax is way too jumbled

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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 31, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

pls

accept my apologies if the poor syntax stopped you from understanding what had been written obviously the bones of the language are important if one is to keep to a certain standard your contribution is noted

R.

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by rohedron on Jul 31, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strange

so you…
Dont like Roth
so you…
Skip his work
but you…
Read fanposts about Roth
then you…
Comment on said fanpost, encouraging others to skip his work as well.

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by MMArazorback on Aug 1, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

SPINNING BACK FIST

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by Tim Bernier on Jul 30, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

TURNING BACK HAMMERFIST

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by RolloTomasi on Jul 30, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

BOOBS

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by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 31, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I assume that is Jersey Shore...

…I don’t watch that drivel….speaking of Jersey, is there a BE meet up at UFC 133 in Philly? Even though he is not fighting, I volunteer to hold up that ginormous BROCK LESNAR banner if that helps make it happen…..

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by BrothersGottaAndyHug on Jul 30, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve never felt he has an ego. This seems like a knee jerk overraction for no reason. I even follow the guy on Twitter and never felt anything bad towards him. Calm down dude. “Why so serious” is right.

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by Tim Bernier on Jul 30, 2011 2:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Honestly, guys, quit bitching. This isn’t JUST a news site. If you want news without a lot of objectivity, go find another site. Roth was stating his opinion on a subject. He was giving commentary on a person who is within the sport. Commentary is a part of journalism. Those of you who bitch about it being untimely and irrelevant, you may have some point. But, this issue has been reported on in great detail in the past few weeks.

If you want MMA news with no opinions or commentary, go to MMA Junkie. Don’t read the comment sections here. In fact, you probably want to stay away from all media and people in general. Too many thoughts being thrown out there, right?

by mountaineers101 on Jul 30, 2011 4:01 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Having a negative view of the Couture article doesn’t mean someone mustn’t like opinion pieces (they’re the main reason I come here). Personally there are some editorials I like, and some I dislike, and I agree with others saying this article falls into the latter group.

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by Bolshevik on Jul 30, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

its

precisely the act of caring about what to me makes BE a site that warrants such care that motivates this post. If it becomes apparent that BE (even all along) is actually something other than I thought, then its just another change in the weather.

'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'

by rohedron on Jul 30, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who said that epistolography is dead.

"... All reined up in old language and old assumptions, straining to jump clean-hoofed on to a whole new track of being I only suspect is there. I can't see it, because my educated, average head is being held at the wrong angle..."

by dancingChicken on Jul 30, 2011 6:34 AM EDT reply actions  

nice

'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'

by rohedron on Jul 30, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!

Although I’ll freely admit, I had to look that one up…

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by The American Ronin on Jul 30, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get why Roth would get quite a bit of hate here. But telling him he looks like Tim Sylvia is harsh, rude, cruel, unusual and borderline criminal.

by IRodC on Jul 30, 2011 11:53 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I also find the "tin foil hat" Kid Nate and opining Snowden revisionism more than a little amusing. This is the exact same reaction those pieces would get.

Fickle MMA fans…

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by spectaa on Jul 30, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, fuck, EXACTLY!

When the hell did Snowden get so many nostalgic fanboys?

by Fake Emcee on Jul 30, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

When he left, they got really emotional.

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by spectaa on Jul 30, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

My reaction was "meh"

and plus he banned you for making a Boondocks reference and presented it as being totally justified afterwards.

by Fake Emcee on Jul 30, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I’ve just been misunderstood. It was a weird interpretation of my comment though. It sure wasn’t justified, I didn’t say anything back then, but it was bullshit. I could have turned that shit backward, but well, I’m not mmalogic, I have no immunity (or hyper resistance) to ban.

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by spectaa on Jul 30, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're talking like Snowden stepped on your sneakers.

Even odds that they were Nike.

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by pdl on Jul 31, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was still singing the new shoes song.

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by spectaa on Jul 31, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously racial slurs and all kinds of aberrant comments are fair game, just so long as they appear on a TV show first!

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 31, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

You guys can’t really give me shit after what you let mmalogic say on this website.

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by spectaa on Jul 31, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS^^^

perfectly stated. rec’d

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by John Danaher's Hair on Jul 30, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s nearly as venomous as people are making it out to be.

Now, this is venom: http://goo.gl/Jwwal

by Mike Fagan on Jul 30, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He seemed only a poor clod like those around him, deluded by a childish theology, full of an almost pathological hatred of all learning, all human dignity, all beauty, all fine and noble things. He was a peasant come home to the dung-pile. Imagine a gentleman, and you have imagined everything that he was not.

When you put it that way, Roth’s open letter was child’s play.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 30, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, if Roth had Mencken’s prose style I think people would be more forgiving of his venom.

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by Jack.Barrington on Jul 30, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Roth had Mencken’s prose style, most of our readers wouldn’t understand what they were reading.

by Mike Fagan on Jul 31, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

’I’m alright Jack pull the ladder up’

'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'

by rohedron on Jul 31, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shit

I’ve read most of Mencken’s works but wow that was awesome.

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by Robert Cowan on Jul 30, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last time I checked, the only people capable of controlling content on BE were staff.

'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'

by rohedron on Jul 30, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i feel u blood

the pressure lol

'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'

by rohedron on Jul 31, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

please dont ban me....

but this is insane.


1. "Must be a slow news day…" – If it hasn’t been made clear in the past, this will garner a warning or ban, depending on your past history, your length of stay on the site, etc. If you have a valid criticism, by all means, comment, but don’t resort to ad hominems.

You guys let people get on here and bicker and squabble all day long… but if someone says “must be a slow news day” they get the ban?

Isnt that a little bit extremely sensitive?

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by MMArazorback on Aug 1, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is pointless and adds nothing. People kept doing it when asked to stop.
Just chalk it up to Rule #4.

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by iiowyn on Aug 1, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read the open letter by Mr Roth, then again I read most of the stuff published on this blog.
I found it in poor taste and with very little value. Hrmmm I think that was an euphemism, that piece had no value.

Instead of this sort of heated response to questionable quality of his work I will just skip his further pieces on this generally awesome site. Mr Roth and I have better things to do.

There is no point to being upset or angry with this kind of pieces as they aim exactly at that sort of feedback.

Clickityclick onto some more interesting topics.

by zombie_hobbes on Jul 30, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Bless your heart

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by II SMASH II on Jul 30, 2011 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

This post makes me sad for humanity

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by CasualMMAFan on Jul 30, 2011 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I too am shocked that a site that revolves around copy + pasting articles with a loose opinion around it doesn’t have real journalists. They have “sources” but it seems they never have exclusives, just like I know how the world will end, but I won’t tell you until after it happens.

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by DirtyML on Jul 30, 2011 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

You’ve made it bro. But I think you guys just lost a reader.

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by spectaa on Jul 30, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 30, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That brings it home.

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by casey manrique on Jul 30, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder what she did to earn the right to keep the name, bow chika wow wow.

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by DirtyML on Jul 30, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what they say about “any publicity” ?

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by spectaa on Jul 30, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s working out well for Rupert Murdoch isn’t it.

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by DirtyML on Jul 30, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No it’s not.

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by spectaa on Jul 30, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rebuttal Roth?

Roth…….
Hello?
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cricket
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by RolloTomasi on Jul 30, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

HOLY SHIT

You’re friends with Randy Couture?!?!

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by Charles Awad on Jul 30, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

All Roth was saying is that Kim has no business in a cage/ring against established professionals, and he’s 100% right. Shes made a career out of using her name to get fights, and doesnt have ANY of the talent required to be competitive at that level. Neither did Jason Thacker though lol.

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by ProfessorBLove on Jul 30, 2011 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

She is terrible at MMA, but lots of people are, doesn’t mean she doesn’t deserve the opportunity to win, she just loses all the time. It’s her fault, but she is allowed to lose, it’s her blood and her paycheck, I don’t think she should compete professionally but it is her choice.

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by DirtyML on Jul 30, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You condensed it well enough, he should have as well…but we all know that already. It was plain lame writing that pissed people off, not the content.

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by tigerlee on Jul 30, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just read that Kim Couture article and I don’t agree withy the way it was written at all. There was a point to be made and it was made in the worst possible way. If it was a fanpost would it have stayed or would it have been deleted by the staff?

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by StevenGiles on Jul 30, 2011 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

lol.

Vote- Roth.

All of this crying is so ridiculous, and utterly pointless. Everything he said about her was basically the truth, regardless of how negative. BJ Penn, Rashad Evans, and Frank Mir all get more hate than that on a consistent basis throughout a majority of online communities. Waaaah, someone said Kim shouldn’t fight. Oh NO! Mathew Roth posted an article that summarized the consensus that has been spewed about this woman throughout her fighting career, pre and post divorce . All you have to do is look up the articles on BE alone that mention Kim and look through the comment sections. This is an overreaction, hardly worth the time spent on it, but then again that must be the “point” you’re trying to make. Blah.

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by Loot on Jul 30, 2011 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

not sure i see the problem

I should be clear here in saying that I’m not necessarily saying the critique inherent in these latter pieces is actually incorrect, merely that the form of your attack comes across as gutter-sniping and unncessary (a bit like this you say… no really?).

'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'

by rohedron on Jul 30, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm new here but...

Roth is entitled to his opinion just as you are. If you don’t like it, don’t read it.

Simple as that.

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by Arron Duckling on Jul 31, 2011 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

well

hopefully you’ll stick around and maybe you’ll find yourself challengening your present perception, maybe you wont, simple or not.

'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'

by rohedron on Jul 31, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quite possibly

I look forward to reading more from everyone, I got some catching up to do

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by Arron Duckling on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it's hard to argue with results

Matthew and KJ Gould absolutely nailed the Strikeforce predictions, with the sole exception being the Saffiedine fight where they both (understandably) missed the huge upset victory prediction. Otherwise, if you had bet money on their picks you’d be wealthier today. I’d say Matthew has some very valuable information to impart. Whether you like the style in which he delivers it, you can’t dismiss out of hand what he has to say.

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by Scabby Knuckle on Jul 31, 2011 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

results are definitely great and other things have a bearing also. I would include as you say – things like some of the information Matthew has to impart but I would qualify it given this post.

'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'

by rohedron on Jul 31, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

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