30 Under 30: The Future of Mixed Martial Arts Part 4
All right, it’s time for the fourth and final installment of 30 Under 30: The Future of Mixed Martial Arts (because 30 Under 29 didn’t sound as cool)
Check Out Part 1 – http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/7/5/2259598/top-30-under-30-the-future-of-mixed-marital-arts-part-1
Check Out Part 2 - http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/7/7/2264480/top-30-under-30-the-future-of-mixed-martial-arts-part-2
Check Out Part 3 - http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/7/15/2277789/top-30-under-30-the-future-of-mixed-martial-arts-part-3
I should explain that this isn’t a straight up Pound for Pound rankings list, there are a few other factors involved, which is why you will see certain "unproven" fighters above known vets. This isn’t just a list of who is a better fighter, or who would beat who. I took into account a fighters current accomplishments (belts, wins over notable opponents, overall record, etc) a fighters age (I tend to rank younger guys higher, because I feel like they have more room for improvement) a lastly a fighters potential and room for improvement (this one is a little hard to put into words, or judge really. It’s basically my opinion on how good a certain fighter can get, think Jon Jones pre fighting Ryan Bader, we all knew he was going to be good, but he hadn’t beaten any big name yet.)
Another rule I established, is that for a fighter to be considered for this list he must have been born in 1982 or later, meaning that fighters that are currently 29, but will turn 30 within 5 months aren’t eligible, which means that guys like Frankie Edgar (October 16, 1981) Yushin Okami (July 21, 1981) and Shogun Rua (November 25, 1981) won’t be part of this 30 under 30 list.
Without further adue let’s get on with the fourth and final installment starting at #5…
List So Far
HM5 – Ryan Bader
HM4 – Alexander Gustafsson
HM3 – Scott Jorgensen
HM2 – Tyson Griffin
HM1 – Shinya Aoki
#30 – Mark Hominick
#29 – Rory MacDonald
#28 – Michael McDonald
#27 – Erik Koch
#26 – Jake Ellenberger
#25 – Brendan Shaub
#24 – Rick Story
#23 – Diego Nunes
#22 – Eddie Wineland
#21 – Ben Henderson
#20 – Anthony Johnson
#19 – Jim Miller
#18 – Demetrious Johnson
#17 – Anthony Pettis
#16 – Carlos Condit
#15 – Thiago Alves
#14 – Joseph Benavidez
#13 – Phil Davis
#12 – Chad Mendes
#11 – Gegard Mousasi
#10 – Hatsu Hioki
#9 – Melvin Guillard
#8 – Nick Diaz
#7 – Eddie Alvarez
#6 – Junior Dos Santos
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#4 –
#3 –
#2 –
#1 –
#5 Cain Velasquez
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Cain Velasquez United States 6-1 245lbs 9-0 28 years old BE Ranking - #1
Cain is the current UFC Heavyweight champion and the first "Mexican Heavyweight Champion" in combat sports (whatever that means). He is known for having arguably the best cardio in the HW division, and pushing a ridiculous pace. Also, he has a pretty bad tattoo across his chest. He became the UFC champ by beating Brock Lesnar at UFC 121.
Current Accomplishments
Well obviously the big one is being the champ. He is one of the least experienced fighters in this list, yet he has accomplished more in 9 fights than most people accomplish in their entire careers. He holds wins over Jake O’Brien, Cheick Kongo, Ben Rothwell, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, and Brock Lesnar. He is a former NCAA all American, and holds a brown belt in Guerrilla Jiu Jitsu.
Age
Cain Velasquez is 28 years old, but he will be turning 29 in two days making him the second oldest fighter in this list. Cain has never been KOed (in fact he’s never lost a fight round), but he was rocked numerous times in the Cheick Kongo fight. He also recently suffered a pretty significant shoulder injury that has kept him sidelined for almost an entire year now. Cain is in his athletic prime right now, he lost a year because of the injury so he needs to take advantage of the time he has left. He was once considered the future of the HW division, but now he is almost 30 years old. A lot of questions about his shoulder will be answered at UFC 139 when he fights Junior Dos Santos.
Potential/Room for Improvement
One of Cain’s biggest assets is his ability to rapidly improve from fight to fight. He has grown from leaps and bounds ever since he co-headlined his first UFC card at UFC 99 against Cheick Kongo. In the Kongo fight he showed that he was a great wrestler, but lacked finishing ability, and showed that he still needed to work on his stand-up. In the following three fights Cain not only showed his finishing ability, but also showed a vastly improved stand-up game knocking out Big Nog, and Lesnar, and TKOing Ben Rothwell with relentless ground and pound.
Cain has the accomplishments, and I think still has the potential to be even better; the only reason why he isn’t higher is because of his age. A win over Dos Santos would not only show that his shoulder is better, but it also that he is still the future of the HW division.
#4 Gilbert Melendez
Gilbert Melendez United States 5-9 155lbs 19-2 29 years old BE Ranking #3
Gilbert Melendez is the current Strikeforce lightweight champion, and hopefully a future UFC number one contender. He is without a doubt the best fighter currently outside the UFC, and some argue that he is the best lightweight in the world. He is known for his wars against Josh Thompson, and for being involved in the infamous Nashville brawl (even thou he tried to break it up, and didn’t actually do anything wrong).
Current Accomplishments
Gilbert is one of those few fighters that have beaten multiple ranked opponents outside of the UFC. He is the two-time Strikeforce LW champion, and holds wins over Clay Guida, Tatsuya Kawajiri (twice), Mitsuhiro Ishida, Josh Thompson and Shinya Aoki. He has also avenged his only two losses, which were both by decision.
Age
Gilbert recently turned 29 making him the oldest fighter on this list. He has been fighting for almost 9 years, and has never been knocked out or seriously injured in a fight. He is without a doubt in his prime right now, and I expect him to stay at this level for a good 3 or 4 years.
Potential/Room for Improvement
I think we can all agree that the Gilbert Melendez that we are seeing right now is the best Gilbert Melendez to date. A great example of how far Gilbert has come is a comparison between his first fight against Crusher in 2006, and his last fight against Crusher in April. The first fight was a back and forth affair that resulted in a close decision. The second fight was anything but close, from the start of Round 1 Gilbert dominated Kawajiri like no one had ever done before. This shows just how much Gilbert has improved in the four and a half years since his New Years fight against Kawajiri. Chances are Gilbert is unlikely to keep improving at such a rapid pace, but who’s to say that he can’t still get better? Like Velasquez, the only reason why he isn’t top 3 is because of his age.
#3 Dominick Cruz
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Dominick Cruz United States 5-8 135lbs 18-1 25 years old BE Ranking #1
I might not like Dominick Cruz, but it’s hard to ignore his accomplishments. He is only 25 years old, and he is already arguably the greatest bantamweight of all time. He is known for his elusive striking style, his incredible cardio, and his feud with Urijah Faber.
Current Accomplishments
Cruz holds wins over Charlie Valencia, Joseph Benavidez (twice), Brian Bowles, Scott Jorgensen, and Urijah Faber. He is one of the youngest Zuffa champions ever becoming the WEC Bantamweight champ when he was just 24 years old. His only career loss was at the hands of Urijah Faber back in 2007, and he has since avenged that loss at UFC 132 in one of the best fights of the year. Also, he recently became a blue belt in BJJ.
Age
Cruz is 25 years old (soon to be 26), and has been fighting for over 6 years. He’s never been knocked out, and the only serious injury that he’s suffered has been a broken hand. Unless someone figures out his style, he should stay on top for a while.
Potential/Room for Improvement
Cruz is still young and he definitely still has to improve on some things. While he has been very successful with his elusive style, he still isn’t a very technical striker. He is very fast, and very elusive, but he is no Jose Aldo. It’s only a matter of time before someone figures out his style, or someone with enough power catches him while he is coming in with his hands down. Urijah proved that while he is very allusive he can still get hit. It would benefit him to continue to work on his stand-up, and not get too arrogant about how good he really is. He also has a ways to go on his Jiu Jitsu, his only career loss was via submission, and he just became a blue belt. If Cruz continues to improve and put everything together, he will be an even better fighter than he is right now, which is a scary thing to think of.
#2 Jon Jones
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Jon Jones United States 6-4 205lbs 13-1 24 years old BE Ranking #1
I’m sure that by now you had all guessed who the top 2 guys on the list were, but you might have not known in what order they would be ranked. For all intents and purposes Jon Jones is the 1b to Jose Aldo’s 1a, but for the sake of it being a "numbers only" list I have decided to place Jones at the #2 spot.
We all know Jon Jones, as the flashy young UFC light heavyweight champ. He first caught my eye after he threw Stephan Bonnar around the cage like he was a ragdoll at UFC 94. Jones is best known for his exciting style, his charming personality, and dislike of fake UFC belts. Jones is one of the best wrestlers in the UFC, and currently has the longest reach of any fighter.
Current Accomplishments
Jones has been fighting for 3 short years, and in that time he has beaten the likes of Stephan Bonnar, Brandon Vera, Vladimir Matyushenko, Ryan Bader, Shogun Rua, (and unofficially Matt Hamill) on his way to becoming the youngest UFC champion of all time. Jones is also a former national JUCO champion, and trains out of Jackson’s MMA, one of the best camps in the world.
Age
Jon Jones is 24 years old (Fun Fact: he is the only fighter that has had a birthday since I started this list). Like I mentioned before he has only been fighting for a little over 3 years making his MMA debut at the age of 20. He’s never been hurt in any of his fights with the exception of the Brandon Vera fight where he has stunned by an Illegal up-kick from Vera. In my opinion as long as Jones stays at Light Heavyweight and doesn’t try to become the HW champion he will be known as one of the best fighters of all time.
Potential/Room for Improvement
When I hear the word potential, the first fighter that comes to mind is Jon Jones. He is just so gifted physically and athletically. He is larger than all but a few other fighters in his division yet he is still probably one of the fastest and strongest fighters. His wrestling is already top notch, and has shown noticeable improvements in each of his fights, especially since joining Greg Jackson’s camp. He is already the UFC champion yet he still has so many things that he can improve on. On his feet he still isn’t what I would call a technician. He gets away with some things because of his ridiculous reach, and impressive quickness. Plus most of his opponents are already on their heels because of his frightening judo throws and takedowns. His Jiu jitsu could also improve, I’m not sure what belt he is, but he’s probably only been training for a few years. His biggest weakness is still probably his cardio. It showed in the Stephan Bonnar fight when he gassed in the 3rd, and we’ve seen glimpses of him getting tired, but he hasn’t gassed since then since h has finished every single one of his fights.
Bottom line, as long as Jones stays on the path that he is on he could very well be just as good as George St. Pierre if not even better.
#1 Jose Aldo
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Jose Aldo Brazil 5-7 145lbs 20-1 24 years old BE Ranking #1
Before I begin, I’d like to explain why I have Jose Aldo ranked above Jon Jones. When it comes to age, both fighters are 24 years old, and in terms of potential things are pretty even. The biggest difference is career accomplishments. Even thou Jones is already the champion, I feel like Jose Aldo has done more in his career up to date. The bottom line is this; even thou Jon Jones might one day be known as the best ever, at this point in time Jose Aldo is a more experienced, more well-rounded, and an overall better fighter than Jon Jones.
Jose Aldo is a beast; there is no other way to put it. He is the best muy thai striker in MMA this side of Anderson Silva, and has beaten every single fighter put in front of him since joining the WEC. He is probably best known for his devastating leg kicks, and his sweet flying knee KO against Cub Swanson.
Current Accomplishments
Jose Aldo is the 3rd youngest Zuffa champion of all time (1st being Eddie Wineland, and 2nd being Jon Jones). He burst onto the scene in the WEC finishing all but one of his opponents. In the WEC/UFC Aldo has beaten name opponents like Jonathan Brookins, Cub Swanson, Mike Brown, Urijah Faber, Manny Gamburyan and Mark Hominick. He currently holds a 12 fight win streak, and is already the second longest reigning featherweight champ in Zuffa history (behind Urijah Faber). He is a terrific striker, holds a black belt in BJJ, and has very underrated wrestling.
Age
Like Jon Jones, Jose Aldo is still only 24 years old. He’s been fighting for almost 7 years, so he started his career when he was only 17 years old. I’ve yet to see him get hurt in a fight, although he was in some trouble in the 5th round of the Hominick fight. My only concern with Aldo is the neck injury that forced him to pull out of UFC 125, he looked like his usual self at UFC 129, but neck injuries are very serious, and could be career threatening. Hopefully he has no more issues with his neck/back and he has a long and prosperous career at the top of the FW (and possibly LW) division.
Potential/Room for Improvement
It’s hard to imagine how much better Aldo can get seeing as how he’s already one of the best fighters in the word, but he is still only 24 and without a doubt he will continue to get better with time as long as he remains healthy. Aldo is already a fantastic striker, so I assume that if he makes any major improvements it will be on the ground. He did gas in the Hominick fight, but people forget that he was sick before the fight, plus he has a pretty rough weight cut.
At this stage in his career Aldo is already a complete fighter so he doesn’t have as much room for improvement as someone like Jon Jones, but make no mistake the best Jose Aldo is still to come.
Breakdown
This is the final breakdown of fighters by division (including the honorable mentions).
HW - 3 (Cain Velasquez, Junior Dos Santos, Brendan Shaub)
LHW - 5 (Jon Jones, Gegard Mousasi, Phil Davis, Alexander Gustafssonn, Ryan Bader)
MW - 0
WW - 7 (Nick DIaz, Thiago Alves, Carlos Condit, Anthony Johnson, Rick Story, Jake Ellenberger, Rory MacDonald)
LW - 7 (Gilbert Melendez, Eddie Alvarez, Melvin Guillard, Anthony Pettis, Jim Miller, Ben Henderson, Shinya Aoki)
FW - 7 (Jose Aldo, Hatsu Hioki, Chad Mendes, Diego Nunes, Erik Koch, Mark Homminick, Tyson Griffin)
BW - 6 (Dominick Cruz, Joseph Benavidez, Demetrious Johnson, Eddie Wineland, Michael McDonald, Scott Jorgensen)
Youngest Fighter - Micheal McDonald (January 15, 1991)
Oldest Fighter - Gilbert Melendez (April 12, 1982)
Most Experienced Fighter - Melvin Guillard (40 fights)
Least Experienced Fighter - Brendan Shaub, Cain Velasquez, and Phil Davis (9 fights)
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Well folks that’s it, it took me much longer than I originally anticipated, but it’s finally finished. I hope you all enjoyed my simple writing style and bad grammar (ha ha). I’d also like to say that I really appreciate all the criticisms as well as the positive feedback.
I kind of wish I would have put these out sooner, but it’s hard to just sit down and write when you have so many other things to do.
Blah, now I feel like I’m rambling, thanks to everyone who read this, and commented on the previous installments, and thanks for the recs.
Peace out,
Darkotto23
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That was an great read n analysis.
You should do a senior version. 50 and under. And instead of potential have skills that are diminishing.
by itsnotthatserious on Jul 26, 2011 2:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
really good read
thanks mang!
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by bonesthebaptist on Jul 26, 2011 3:04 PM EDT reply actions
Good article, but...
I’m just not seeing how you’re ranking Aldo over Jones. Normally, I think there’s LOTS of room for reasonable disagreement, but I don’t think you can reasonably place Aldo ahead of Jones. Four reasons why:
(1) Aldo’s division is significantly less established than Jones’s, which is generally considered the best or second best (after welterweight) division in MMA.
(2) Aldo doesn’t have a win like Jones has over Shogun. Faber and Brown are very good, but I don’t think they’re as proportionately good as Shogun (here I’m willing to admit that there’s reasonable disagreement, albeit barely).
(3) With Jones’s athleticism and reach, as well as his penchant for studying MMA like a demon, and his constantly trying new things, I don’t think you can put Aldo’s potential even with Jones’s (here I’m willing to admit there’s reasonable disagreement).
(4) Hominck tested Aldo more than anyone has tested Jones.
I think (1) and (4) are indisputable. I think you could dispute (2) by pointing to Shogun’s coming off an injury, and with regard to (3), it’s of course hard to pin down what someone’s potential is.
Nonetheless, a lovely series of articles. Very professionally done.
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ha ha, i knew that my ranking of Jones and Aldo would create some discussion.
Yes, Shogun is a better fighter than any of the people that Aldo has beat, but that’s the thing. Jones has only beat 1 top 10 fighter, while Aldo has beat 4.
Yes, Jones has more potential, but on the flip side that means that Aldo is more polished, and well rounded.
It all comes down to Aldo starting his career 4 years before Jones. Frankly he has accomplished more because he started fighting earlier. I wouldn’t doubt it if a year or two from now Jones achievements clearly surpassed Aldo’s, but as of right now beating 4 straight top 10 FWs counts more than beating 1 (arguably 2) top 10 LHW’s.
but as of right now beating 4 straight top 10 FWs counts more than beating 1 (arguably 2) top 10 LHW’s.
Bader was #5, little to argue about there.
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by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i never had Bader higher than #6 with Rua, Machida, Rampage, Rashad, and Forrest above him, but you are right, he was definitively a top 10 LHW
i guess Bader’s recent plummet down the rankings made me forget how high he was once ranked.
as far as Hominick testing aldo, yes i'll give you that, but
You have to remember that Aldo clearly dominated the first 4 rounds, and was only “tested” in the 5th because he clearly gassed.
The way i see it when you are a champion, and everyone is gunning for your spot, you are bound to be tested if not beaten by a challenger.
Jones just became the champion, let him defend his belt a few times, and see if he doesn’t get “tested” by his opponents.
If you are going to now discount potential as a significant metric, I think you need to rearrange your picks, including the top-5.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not discounting potential, i mentioned how i think Jones has more potential and a bigger upside than Aldo
to simplify things:
Age
Aldo = Jones
Career Accomplishments
Aldo > Jones
Potential/Room for improvements
Aldo<Jones
like i said, jones and aldo are 1a, and 1b, but i decided to put jones at #2 for the sake of it being “numbers only”
We'll have to agree to disagree I guess
I think Jones’ career accomplishments are equal to Aldo’s as well, and his potential ceiling far higher.
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Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 27, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Aldo has accomplished more to this point in his career but
I think Jones will ultimately have the better career. Jones also has the advantage of fighting in a weight class that is historically one of, if not the most popular and “glamorous”.
There is certainly a valid argument for
Aldo’s career accomplishments, but because they come in the not quite settled FW division, I don’t think they carry as much weight personally.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 29, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones has beat a couple of top 10 guys and won the title, Aldo is heading into his fourth title defense. I don’t care how unsettled the division is, his career accomplishments to this point most definitely exceed those of Jones.
by Worldisart on Jul 29, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Jones
is potentially the greatest
he’s not the greatest yet.
Learn JiuJitsu.
Always looking for that new danger.
Great article, very well done, but
Considering the weight you are giving (and rightfully so) to potential, I think Jose Aldo’s 20 fights over 7 years point to him being much closer to his peak at 24 than Jones’ 14 fights over just 3 years (8 in the UFC) also at 24. All of this despite the fact that Jones has fought the overall higher level of competition, as FW can’t be remotely compared at this point to LHW imo.
Jones has also shown an incredible learning curve and ability and willingness to improve, whereas Aldo, great as he is, has really not shown anything close to that level of improvement.
I love me some Aldo, but given the stated criteria you were using, I see no way he could be ranked ahead of Jones.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
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Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 4:26 PM EDT reply actions
i don't agree that Jones has faced a higher level of competition
i think Faber, Hominick, Gamburyan, and Brown are overall better fighters than Bader, Vera, and Matyushenko.
Also as far as career accomplishments go, Aldo has already defended his belt 3 times, while Jones has yet to defend his belt.
i think Faber, Hominick, Gamburyan, and Brown are overall better fighters than Bader, Vera, and Matyushenko.
That is a fair assertion, but when you add Shogun to the list, it shifts dramatically.
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by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately the Shogun that Jones faced was rusty and coming off injury. That was not Shogun at his peak.
So I would count that win as somewhat less than a “Peak Shogun” win.
Haha
Did you already received warning letters and threats for putting Jones as no.2?
"... All reined up in old language and old assumptions, straining to jump clean-hoofed on to a whole new track of being I only suspect is there. I can't see it, because my educated, average head is being held at the wrong angle..."
by dancingChicken on Jul 27, 2011 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice series.
The fact that none of the fighters featured fight in middleweight is both predictable and ominous for the future of that division. The top dogs are on the wrong side of 30 (40 in the case of Hendo), and even guys like Jacare are 30 or over by now. Shame that Mousasi grew out of the division, he was easily the best MW prospect in years, but who knows? Maybe
Rory MacDonald will grow into it.
Well, there’s 27 year old Chris Weidman.
"... All reined up in old language and old assumptions, straining to jump clean-hoofed on to a whole new track of being I only suspect is there. I can't see it, because my educated, average head is being held at the wrong angle..."
by dancingChicken on Jul 27, 2011 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Fantastic overall job man
just awesome amounts of research and writing!
I disagree with Aldo being #1 just because of his performance following the neck surgery. Was that a one fight hiccup coming off a long lay-off or did all that work on his neck leave a lasting impact?
I’d put Aldo #3 behind Jones and Melendez.
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also it is a real sign of things
when Middleweight has no real up and comers under the age of 25…
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The crazy thing is
If this was done a few months ago, GSP would be eligible for this list, and obviously #1
i mentioned in the first part that the reason why i started this series is because i found out that GSP had turned 30
it caught me off guard, i always remembered thinking “Wow, this guy is soo good, plus he is still young, he will rule the UFC for years!”
Obviously he is still in his prime, but in most sports athletes peak when they are 30.
Of course, so much depends on "mileage"
Shogun and Nog have had so much damage/injuries etc they are “old before their time” in sports years.
MWs!
MW looking pretty bleak in the future. Who would you have selected if you looked Only at middleweights?
I think that there are some MW “prospects” but they chose to fight at 170.
When you look at the weight of fighters in MW and WW you’ll notice that they’re very close.
Andeson Silva is under 195lbs, Chael, who is a big dude was 207 in his last fight.
Then you have GSP who is 195ish these days, Alves somwhere under 200lbs, Ellenberger is a giant dude, Story is thick as hell, Johnson obviously. They all could fight at MW right now and wouldn’t give up much, if any size.
"... All reined up in old language and old assumptions, straining to jump clean-hoofed on to a whole new track of being I only suspect is there. I can't see it, because my educated, average head is being held at the wrong angle..."
by dancingChicken on Jul 28, 2011 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe. Or maybe “fear” of fighting theoretically bigger guys.
"... All reined up in old language and old assumptions, straining to jump clean-hoofed on to a whole new track of being I only suspect is there. I can't see it, because my educated, average head is being held at the wrong angle..."
by dancingChicken on Jul 29, 2011 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions
with the exception of Alves (who is too short for MW), and Rumble (who should fight at MW), all the other fighters mentioned have no problem getting down to 170
it wouldn’t be a smart career choice to start fighting at a higher weight class, just because you are “big enough”
Maybe not fear, but
I think once Anderson retires, we will see several guys move up and move down into a ripe-for-the-taking MW division…
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Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 29, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yushin Okami was still 29 when i started the list, but he just turned 30
A lot of top MW’s just turned 30 like Brian Stann, Jason Miller, Jorge Santiago, Yushin Okami, etc.
But top MW’s under 30, the only ones i can think of that are in the top 25 are:
Robbie Lawler – 29
Alan Belcher – 27
Chris Weidman – 27
In fact there are only 7 MW’s in the UFC that were born after 1981, Weidman, Belcher, and these guys;
Yang Dongi – 26
C.B. Dollaway – 27
Tom Lawlor – 28
Brad Tavares – 23
Court McGee – 26
Sorry guys I might be missing something...
But isn’t Shogun only 28?
Where he be?
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by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 28, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions
he will be 30 in November, my cutoff point for the list was fighters born after 1981, and Shogun was born on November 25, 1981
Thank you for the clairfication.
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by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 29, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Good work
Overall a very good list and a very interesting read. I personally would have put Jones #1 as LHW is one of the toughest divisions in all of MMA while FW is still very new and I don’t think the top guys are all that elite. I think as more fighters like Florian and Griffin start to drop down to FW it will improve dramatically. It will be interesting to see how Aldo deals with Florian who will obviously be his toughest test yet.
2 guys who I would have liked to see on the list are Donald Cerrone and Chris Weidman. I think both of those guys will be serious UFC title contenders and are constantly improving every time they get in the cage. But anytime there is a long list like this we all have our disagreements. Overall really well done man.
Agree to disagree
While they might not have the highest caliber of wins I think their solid records combined with age and ability should get them on the list. Guys like Gustafson, Wineland, Nunes, etc. don’t have great wins either but like I said everyone has their own views on these things.
going by the SBnation rankings
Diego Nunes has 2 wins over top 25 opponents (Rafael Assunsau and Mike Brown) and is the #8 FW in the world
Eddie Wineland has 2 wins over top 25 opponents (George Roop, and Antonio Banuelos) and is the #12 BW in the world
Gustafsson has 1 win over a top 25 opponent (Cyril Diabate) and is the #18 LHW in the world
neither Weidman nor Cerrone have a single win over a top 25 opponent (Sakara is at #26 i think)
to be honest if i had more honorable mentions weidman would probably have been #38, i wouldn’t rank Cerrone thou.
Hey darkotto..
Loved reading all the entries for this.. very cool idea..
I was wondering, however, which fighters did you look at that didnt make the list? Say, who were you 5-10 fighter that just missed the top 30?
Fav Fighters(Order of Weight)
JosephBenavidez, JoeSoto, TysonGriffin, ChadMendes, PatricioPitbull, FrankieEdgar, SpencerFischer, RogerHuerta, GilbertMelendez, JimMiller, AnthonyPettis, ThiagoAlves, JohnyHendricks, MattSerra, GSP, AlanBelcher, HectorLombard, DanMiller, JasonMiller, TrevorPrangley, ScottSmith, RonaldoSouza, RyanBader, RafaelCavalcante, RandyCouture, RichFranklin, ForrestGriffin, ChuckLiddell, GegardMousasi, ThiagoSilva, PatBarry, MattMitrione, JeffMonson, AlistairOvereem
6'0" 212lbs but please don't hurt my feelings.(RushFit did me justice)
here are a few in no specific order (by division)
Heavy Weight
Cole Konrad 27
Middleweight
Chris Weidman 27
Brad Tavares 23
Court McGee 26
Welterweight
Ben Askren 27
Lightweight
Charles Oliveira 21
Edson Barboza 25
Rafael Dos Anjos 26
Matt Wiman 27
Sam Stout 27
Jeramy Stephens 25
Jorge Masvidal 26
Nate Diaz 26
Featherweight
Chan Sung Jung 24
Dustin Poirier 22
Rani Yahya 26
Bantamweight
Renan Barao 24
Takeya Mizugaki 27
Chris Weidman is a puppy beast
a few more fights and he’s gonna be a stud.
Learn JiuJitsu.
Always looking for that new danger.

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