Introducing MMA Nation
by Bloody Elbow on Jul 26, 2011 10:14 AM EDT
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This is a guest post by Luke Thomas.
Today I am pleased to announce the debut of "MMA Nation" (www.mmanation.com), SB Nation's newest mixed martial arts site. This is a project months in the making, one that I am incredibly proud of. Our goal is to make it the top destination for those seeking the best in MMA news, analysis, community and coverage.
This site brings together proven, veteran digital and print MMA media talent. I am joined by Nate Wilcox (founder and editor of BloodyElbow.com), Thomas Myers (founder and editor of MMAMania.com) and Jonathan Snowden (author of Total MMA and MMA Encyclopedia). The project is just beginning, but the talent is proven and shows SBN's commitment to MMA.
We, as well as the respective communities that we've created, nurtured and often times incited, are part of a company, SB Nation, that is on the cutting edge of news and technology. And we intend to use every advantage of this advanced platform to give our readers the most informative, most enjoyable and most responsive MMA coverage found anywhere. Exclusive interviews, in-depth event analysis, breaking news and feature stories that you won't be able to read anywhere else, will now all be located at MMA Nation. It's not designed to replace any one site or the other, but rather give you more of what you crave: The best MMA coverage on the Internet.
Like any site, there will be growing pains. We've got lots to learn in working together and leveraging the strength of this platform. We hope you'll keep us honest, on our toes and take part in the interaction between author and audience. Our brand is community engagement. That's as true at BloodyElbow.com as it is as BadLeftHook.com. So, too, will that be a cornerstone of the user experience at MMA Nation.
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Agreed! - I for one welcome our new mma news overlords
The layout is certainly new and different than here, but after bouncing over there a couple times, it’s already growing on me.
Also, nice to hear that nothing is coming at the expense of the other sites/blogs we’re familiar with. Places like BE, Mania, and HKL all have their own specific vibe and focus, and it’s cool that they will be filtering that onto the MMA_Nation page, while keeping them in place going forward.
Bravo, cheers, and best of luck with The Nation.
Nope
BE will a) be just fine and b) a hugely important commodity to the company. In no way do we want to grow Nation at the expense of BE.
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by Luke Thomas on Jul 26, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
So
Business as usual? =P
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by xFenixKnightx on Jul 26, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Agree to disagree
Hi Luke,
As it’s another site, I only see myself migrating there once (if ever) the quality here starts to decline like five ounces did. I’ll probably view that site as a secondary site thus displacing mmajunkie, but this is my site for MMA news.
As an aside, perhaps you recall that I stated you’re welcome to leave at any time but the Luke Thomas beard stays. Got it?
by JAYGK95 on Jul 26, 2011 11:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Additionly,
I blame Kid Nate for this new site’s creation.
by JAYGK95 on Jul 26, 2011 11:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ultimately
BE is the community and the community ain’t going nowhere.
by Bloody Elbow on Jul 26, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
this was me
posting as “Bloody Elbow” by mistake.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh thank God. I thought the machines revolution was upon us.
by crazybones on Jul 26, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
possibly
but obv my point is missed, I was asking Nate for clarification on whether he will be leaving BE for MMAN.
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
no
I’ll be doing double duty at both sites.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Goddamn.
And Godspeed.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Jul 27, 2011 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I am confused by all of this
and maybe you guys can’t say and if that is the case, that is fine.
But why didn’t you guys all just stay with BE and grow it into the best? Instead of leaving BE to form something you promise to be the best?
You guys say “Our goal is to make it top destination for those seeking the best in MMA news, analysis, community and coverage.” and then you say “In no way do we want to grow Nation at the expense of BE.” and those two things cannot be exclusive.
Y’all are on the same “mother ship” at SB nation. If you plan to be the top destination, that means you plan to push BE to #2.
What is the point of SB nation having 6? (BE, Nation, mania, HKL, the kalib starns site, the girls site) mma focused blogs on one site?
by dbcb on Jul 26, 2011 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
there are a lot of reaasons
But fundamentally, BE is a community/fan blog, MMA Nation is aiming at being a professional journalistic site.
We didn’t want to mess with what’s made BE so successful by watering it down or telling the writers to be more politic with their opinions.
Each of our combat sports blogs has its own niche and mission — Mania = top line news, BE = community and commentary, BadLeftHook = boxing, Cageside = pro wrestling, HKL = kickboxing, Asian MMA, Gal’s Guide = gal’s point of view.
MMA Nation is our attempt to bring top notch professional MMA coverage to SBNation.com which is a very different type of site. It’s not a blog for one thing.
There are also business reasons — blogs are heavily penalized by google, advertisers don’t like them etc etc.
by Bloody Elbow on Jul 26, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
again, that's me.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
That explanation helped alot - it should be somewhere in the main post for this or in future postings.
Otherwise it sounded like another MMA site just like BE and most people don’t need two.
Ok thanks
the whole interation thing made me think it was just another blog.
no
MMA Nation is our first site that’s not really a blog.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
it has a blog
but it’s not a blog
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Does the notblog have a blog that has a notblog?
WHOOOOOOOA INCEPTION
by Paulo Filho's Psychiatrist on Jul 26, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
it's a blog inside a newsite inside a group of blogs....
exploding head.
by Body Triangle on Jul 26, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
"Progress lies not in enhancing what is, but in advancing toward what will be." - Kahlil Gibran
by merryprankster on Jul 26, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
The “Asian guy” version of this is easily one of the fastest ways to find my funny bone.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 26, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Here:
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 26, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
That is pretty damn funny...
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Inception is Greatness.
It took a while, but that movie sold me on Leonardo Dicaprio.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Jul 27, 2011 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions
It really is, and
it is one of perhaps 5 or so movies I have ever seen that I felt really met the hype I was hearing in my circles about it.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 27, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
For the regular BElitists among us...
perhaps think of BE as the Op/Ed section and MMANation as the news and true journalism section…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
and Mania the comics of course…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
MMA Nation
Does has “Weighing In” which will be a little opinion based, but in small chunks.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 26, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Conceptually
It sounds like a great idea. I like it.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
By the sound of things,
are you going to be doing more of your “straight” pieces for the main page, and more of the somewhat contentious stuff there?
I for one miss the back and forth involved in some of your, um, more highly commented on pieces…
I hoped/figured that Senor Wilcox would take your role as chief instigator at BE, but thus far, not so much.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
the instigation gets old
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
When it is well done, and sparingly used,
I think it is a source of considerable enjoyment, for those both sides of the argument. Not trolling type stuff for the sake of irritating, but just taking somewhat extreme or one-sided points of view at times.
Unlike many commenters, I enjoy the sort of high level back and forth (without getting personal) that goes on in the better ones.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed Ronin. When it’s done the right way it ends up being the highlight of my work day.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
back in my day ........
we would have J.Snow articles with comments in the 1000s .
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jul 26, 2011 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
What a Snowden era noob. You act like MMA writing started in 2009. I remember when this cat named Kid Nate could do that. And there were barley 1000 people with internet then.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
lol
I remember when Nate was all heel and than he made his babyface turn when snowden got here.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jul 26, 2011 12:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And back then you would have people coming at you, perhaps Luke included, for daring to using pro wrestling terms here…
Good times indeed…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly,
and given the quality people there, even normally highly controversial topics we often segued into could generally be discussed without offending too many.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
good times .... good times.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jul 26, 2011 12:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So mmanation will be a hard news site? Or more opinion and commentary from ex-BE writers like LT and Snowden?
It’s really hard to take this seriously as a big development when you guys already did a brand extension like this not too long ago. I figured the SBNation/MMA page would serve as a more “legitimate” platform where the same ex-BE guys could write and then have all their big pieces just linked back by the new editors at BE. In other words, a way to escape some of the stigma that BE has cultivated while still providing content for the page. Now there’s another site like that? What happens to SBNation MMA? Does it get bumped to 2nd position and BE to 3rd?
I think SBNation MMA now redirects to MMA Nation.
Basically going to be hard news on MMA Nation, more Op/Ed still on BE.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, so SBNation MMA and MMA Nation are the same thing, with largely the same writers? So this is just a straight rebranding/relaunching? Did SBN MMA not siphon off enough BE readers?
From the way it sounds in here...
MMANation won’t siphon much off either.
"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift
Per Kid Nate, “sbnation.com/mma now it’s mma.sbnation.com with a redirect so the old link goes to the new site.”
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
we implemented the plan in phases
but the announcement re-branding was delayed a bit.
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"Wait, so SBNation MMA and MMA Nation are the same thing, with largely the same writers? So this is just a straight rebranding/relaunching? "
Very, very different.
You can’t see a major component of it, but operationally we have nearly total control. Before we had little. We were simply an arm of SBNation.com and it gave us very little latitude.
Second, the site hasn’t even been live for 24 hours. Wait until we can show you how nimble and accommodating the technology can be to deliver news and opinion in a completely new way.
Nation also solves for a lot of problems we’ve encountered in the MMA space. Again, folks don’t necessarily notice it because it’s not on their mind. It’s stuff only editors and developers care about, at least in terms of figuring out how to solve. But it’s a gigantic leap forward. I can’t prove it to you necessarily in 12 hours, but in 12 months? You’ll see.
Follow me on Twitter: @SBNLukeThomas.
I really like your optimism, but I feel like you are speaking in very vague terms. What are you trying to achieve with MMANation that was impossible or improbable on BloodyElbow and Sbnation.com/mma ? What obstacles were in your way that lead to change? Consumers, myself included, don’t like change, and I’m sure you have some good reasons in order to do it. You risk losing your base.
covering more news
in more efficient, easier to access manners
drawing a clear line between opinion, analysis, news and community contributions
those are 2 of the things the tech allows us to do very well
they’re subtle but they’ll make a huge difference over time
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Relating to the second point:
Ok. Sounds good Nate. I’ll be interested to see what you guys cook up. Honestly don’t like the formatting too much but that hasn’t stopped me from using facebook. I just hope you guys can churn out some quality content!
So basically the new site won’t piss off Josh Barnett by going public saying he isn’t cleared to fight, but BE can? BE catches a lot of flak for bringing things to the public before they’ve been researched and rightly so, but I really like the immediacy that that brings. If this is the case, I think the new site will serve a very important purpose as it will give the writers a formal place to get published and be held to a higher standard. I think it’s about time that the A list at BE gets the respect deserved.
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thank you
I like to think everyone at BE is A List, but I appreciate the sentiment.
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Buisness as usual
Okay!?
All your doing is spewing garbage with no sense of order or articulation whatsoever. - SimplePsych
I'm not very good at constructive criticism, so.....
Christ Almighty. That layout is awful. It’s a horrible jumbled mess and I can’t figure out where to begin. So much stands out it is sensory overload. It’s impossible to scan the page and see what looks interesting.
The beauty of Bloody Elbow and MMA Junkie is that you can scan the entire page in seconds and know exactly what is happening in the world of MMA. Then it is simple to click on the articles that interest you to learn more.
by CB_MMA on Jul 26, 2011 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 17 recs
I came here to say the same thing
although I was going to use more tact lol.
The site hurts my head. Like some college kid trying to make a website and wants to include all the school stuff he just learned.
If BE is better for you
Then stay here. Don’t read something you don’t like. But Nation has been reviewed and approved by tech expert after design expert. If you prefer reverse chronological, we’re providing it for you here. Not everyone does.
Also, Nation looks like mlb.sbnation.com, a site doing extremely well on a number of critical fronts.
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by Luke Thomas on Jul 26, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Exclusive content is key, no doubt. If you have that you'll have eyeballs.
But you have got to do something about the layout. I guarantee I’m not going to be the only one espousing that opinion.
I think you are going to find that tech expert after design expert doesn’t guarantee perfection.
by CB_MMA on Jul 26, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
"I guarantee I’m not going to be the only one espousing that opinion."
Sure, I’m expecting many of you to be wrong about it. You haven’t even seen what the layout can do yet. Give it time.
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by Luke Thomas on Jul 26, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
No, they’re right, it’s not good. And this is from a design/seo ‘expert’
I understand why and how the layout drives SEO, and I don’t think it needs a complete retooling, but there are a few clear design changes that could be made to benefit the reader experience without losing SEO value.
don't be stingy
please share
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I shared in a post below.
Move the top stories to the top of the page where it’s relevant, beside the feature probably.
Tab some of the redundant or similar content.
Prioritize content and drive readers there. SEO experts will tell you all day how to create content for Google, and Design experts will tell you how to make the experience intuitive, but there’s still the reader experience to consider.
BTW, comparing this design to mlb.sbnation.com is disingenuous. There are several key differences. the MLB site is better (for now)
by C-Viggity on Jul 26, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Thought I'd throw my 2 cents in, as someone who does this stuff for a living...
C-Viggity is absolutely right in my opinion, especially about the need to have your top stories at the top of the page. Right now the site’s biggest problem is that your prime real estate, the first visible screen worth of content, is largely going to waste.
I’m using a 1920 × 1200px monitor, and I still can’t even see the headline of the first “Top Story” without scrolling down. That’s a big no-no. Were I the one responsible for designing this site, I would have a whole laundry list of other issues, but that’s the biggest concern in my mind.
The graphic design elements of the site are very good, clean and simple but with lots of “pop” and other intangible buzzwords people are fond of throwing around. The content layout, on the other hand, looks like it was designed by an SEO-focused designer – great content discoverability for crawlers, bad content discoverability for users.
"Nine-tenths of the people were created so you would want to be with the other tenth." - Horace Walpole
by CasualMMAFan on Jul 26, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Three columns of varying content type and length?
It’s a hot mess.
But then so is mlb.sbnation.com – so if that’s working then I can understand why you would think this will too. But yeah, my first reaction was good lord this is confusing. It sent me packing pretty quickly.
BTW – ESPN.com is a hairball too. But CNNSI.com manages to have alot of stories but group then in a way that is usable by a reader. They use colors, tabs, section headlines and borders to pack the page with lots of leads, but in an organized fashion that allows a reader to make their way through it without feeling disoriented.
I apologize if this is condescending, but are you familiar with the F pattern? I don’t see how the layout is effective considering how human beings read web pages. There is nothing to hang onto and branch out from.
by Django Z on Jul 26, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree about the SI pages – probably an equal amount of varied information, yet it feels very orderly.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
if I may make a few quick and easy suggestions
I’m with the group of people who think the design is a bit too cluttered and messy for human use though it may be great for crawlers. While a complete overhaul is unlikely, I think a few tweaks to the current design could help:
1. Put lightweight vertical dividers between the columns. Easier visual differentiation between your three main categories of Stories / Data (like events, rankings etc) / Community Involvement pieces.
2. The Weighing In articles have way too much text on the front page. They visually overload the site significantly. Maybe just an image/header/blurb link to the full thing. OR Make the text smaller and put it on a colored background (dark gray for instance). So that each article in this column is like a floating box of its own. Like BE does with promoted fanshots (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/stories/5)
3. Too much screen estate is taken at the top by the main story, ads, and 3 sub stories. I can’t even see the three column headers “Top Stories”, “Event Calenders”, “weighing in” when I first go to the site. Where the 3 sub stories currently reside right under the main story is where your column headers should go. And the 3 sub stories should go to the side somewhere. That means either the main story graphic gets smaller (such as becoming a square instead of a rectangle) or the video ad and radio ad go elsewhere.
Just some thoughts from someone who wants to see you guys succeed.
by Cocytus on Jul 26, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
'experts should be on tap, not on top'
Churchill
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
Citing experts in an argument over a matter of opinion seems pointless. I also find the layout garish and disorganized, and you can tell me I’m wrong till your fingers fall off, but it doesn’t change how I’m experiencing the site. I’m sure you worked long and hard on the layout and it stings to hear harsh criticism, but the fact is that citing “design experts” isn’t going to suddenly cause us to love the layout.
One day you’ll drown in your own condescension.
(and yes, the 90s just called, they want their layout back)
Well, anybody who knows me knows I'm no fan of dictionaries or reference books. They're elitist. Constantly telling us what is or isn't true. Or what did or didn't happen.
by MarcoDos on Jul 26, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Design experts and tech experts also green-lit the first Xbox controller
Anyone else remember that giant monstrosity? Thank God for Japanese people and their “smaller” (actually normal) sized hands.
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jul 26, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The Duke
was amazing and a god-send. Shut your whore mouth!
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jul 26, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly...
if you didn’t have an XBox, the controller was unplayable. I had to look down every time I wanted to hit the white/black buttons.
"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift
by sgiblin on Jul 26, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dear God
this is so fucking true! Sony’s controller is absolutely perfect!
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jul 26, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm gonna ban the three of ya
I ordered EXTRA Dukes because the pussy ass small controllers were emasculating.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jul 26, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me guess...
"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift
LOL! Dude, no way! You actually liked the original xbox controllers!? I play fighting games pretty heavily and I absolutely HATED playing a game that I was generally good at on the ps2 against my friends that had the exact same game on xbox! It was a nightmare. I sincerely despise their 4-button-dpad-that’s-really-just-one-big-button-so-don’t-even-waste-your-time-trying-to-pull-off-multi-air-combos-and-juggle-assists-in-MvC3 button. I would’ve been better off with using this…
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jul 26, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't like it
I loved it. It’s the second best controller of all time, just behind the N64 beast controller. I have tiny little actors hands too, so I have no clue what you babies are whining about.
PS controllers suck. I feel like I am going to snap them like a slim jim everytime I hit a button.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jul 26, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The N64 controller?
That misshapen, asymmetrical piece of garbage? Now I know you’re just being needlessly difficult. It appears durability is the only thing that matters to you. If so, I have a rock in my yard that should fit the bill pretty nicely (it’ll be about as responsive as your two selections as well).
Feel free to email me so we can coordinate shipping costs at the following: fptisrightandchrisbartoniswrong@thisisnotreal.com
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jul 26, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
They respond just fine
if you don’t caress the buttons like a nancy.
If you find a rock with a perfect ergonomic shape that will work on a current game system we’ll talk. You bastards have ruined every console since the X-Box with your gnome controllers.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jul 26, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jul 26, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Perfect ergonomic shape?
If by perfect, you mean the ability (actually, necessity) to physically move your hand to a separate part of the controller to use the D-pad THEN move your hand back to use the analog stick, then yes, I guess it was perfect.
In the same fashion, my house is a perfect ergonomic fusion because it has a movie theater, regional parks and my office all combined. I just have to get in a car and drive to those places to do anything there. No big deal, it’s ergonomic perfection!
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jul 26, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry
I didn’t realize I was chatting with Sean Sherk. I apologize for overlooking the plight of your T-Rex appendages and applaud your ability to continue to play video games and compete in MMA at a high level despite your genetic disadvantages.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jul 26, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
And I didn't realize BE hired the Jolly Green Giant to moderate their forum
That’s the only person I can think of that would consider a controller so big I could actually crawl inside the memory card dock and take a nap “appropriately sized”.
And leave Sean Sherk alone. He’s a person too. Admittedly, a tiny, tiny person…………but a person nonetheless.
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jul 26, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
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1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jul 26, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anybody want a peanut?
/scene
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jul 26, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Those were buttons?!?
I thought they were decorative like that giant green X in the middle. No wonder I could never turn my flashlight on in Halo!
Fuck that shit.
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jul 26, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, phone. I hate you.
The comment above was in reply to sgiblin.
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jul 26, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
There are like 57 different tables on the page, all crammed down three narrow columns. Your design experts must be high functioning autistics or something, because it’s visual nonsense to me (and many others if this thread is any indication)
by smoogy2 on Jul 26, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
As the parent...
…of kids with autism I hope you can be more sensitive in the future with your comments. Not much really bothers me, but that doesn’t seem necessary for expressing your distaste for a website’s design.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 26, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
Your design experts must be Rain Man or something, because it’s visual nonsense to me.
by smoogy2 on Jul 26, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doubling down?
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 26, 2011 3:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought it was a Swingers reference.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jul 26, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Give it some time.
We find it always takes a few visits to adapt to a new interface.
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THIS
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by Luke Thomas on Jul 26, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I will be
but Luke left BE months ago.
by Bloody Elbow on Jul 26, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
lol say what?
okay. i just checked out the other site. lil diffrent. but lil time ill be use to it.
Who is this?
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by Richard Wade on Jul 26, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Kid Nate
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 27, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm digging it.
Less bloggy, more Newssite-…ey.
by Body Triangle on Jul 26, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
heh, we didn't quite make that big of a UI change...
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by Trei Brundrett on Jul 26, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
totally off topic
but I hate the Gawker redesign so much it makes me want to bomb Nick Denton’s house…figuratively.
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by Dave Strummer on Jul 26, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s brilliant.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 26, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Well you would be the one.
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by Dave Strummer on Jul 26, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I’m probably an idiot. It just made sense to me.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 26, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Admittedly they have improved it from the day one launch
Which was such a sensory overload that I thought it had been hacked. But the biggest problem is that it was (and still is) broken. At this moment I cannot open Gawker stories on any of the sites. I get the main page, but if I click through, nada.
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by Dave Strummer on Jul 26, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t mind the redesign, but I read most of the Gawker blogs in Reader and click over for videos. Their traffic has TANKED on every site since they implemented the change though.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
my wife quit
reading jezebel due to the redesign. that’s the limit of my exposure to gawker media.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I had no idea it was that controversial. The stories all on one scrolling sidebar is brilliant.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 26, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Here’s the Google trends for Gawker, Gizmodo, Deadspin, and Lifehacker: http://goo.gl/zE0X5
There was a huge dropoff in unique visitors in February (I believe the first month with the redesign), and traffic started to level off in March/April.
They’ve improved the design in some aspects. It’s still buggy, though. Just a disaster.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 26, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow.
I don’t visit Gawker sites often, but I clicked through to Deadspin back in April or so. The redesign initially offput me and I was annoyed, but the scrolling sidebar is pretty sweet.
However, one of the joys of old Deadspin for me was the gloriously goofy pictures they linked with the articles. Yeah, it was at times manipulative and not efficient, but it gave the place a certain tone.
I thought my opinions on design and stuff were basically non-relevant to traffic, ads and monetization, but I’m blown away by the redesign tanking Gawker’s stats that bad. Wow.
InStrength dot com.
It's a mess for three major reasons.
1. Navigation is a total headache now, and most readers are lazy enough that they won’t use the “blog.URL” option.
2. Article tags are visually and functionally non-existent, making searching for related topics off a single story damn near impossible.
3. Confining content to the “newspaper” style format doesn’t look good across different formats. It’s fine on iPad, terrible in browsers (especially if you don’t like endless scroll), and spotty in stories with large amounts of media.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Jul 27, 2011 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Pardon my ignorance, but
if you can, what is the “blog.URL” option?
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 27, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
With all of these SBN heavy hitters here I'll ask an off-topic question
I’ve asked before, its never been answered (or fixed), but why does the “older” link (i.e. showing 1-10 of 28 Older) at the bottom of any of the archived rankings pages STILL yield the message “404 Sorry sports fan, we couldn’t find the page you’re looking for…” Try clicking the link I included (from the heavyweight page).
Now that SB/BL is MIA I need it less than before, but still would love to be able to access those…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
we'll submit that to the tech guys
AGAIN
thanks
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No problem
I know you guys don’t handle that personally, but hopefully you have the juice to get it done – it makes some of my arguments easier to research ;P
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Since you are the creative director,
you probably could direct this to be done. Any chance of adding some sort of image/icon associated with the page, like BE has where this pic shows up on the tabs:
Helps me navigate around quickly when I have well in excess of 30 tabs open on Firefox, between MMA, NFL, econ and work…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, and I nominate Anton to create it!
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was quick, thank you
It sounds trite, but I often have so many tabs open, every little thing helps…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
a lot of it is driven by Google
Google hates the blog format and punishes sites that use it. Do I disagree? Yes, absolutely, but it’s google’s world, we just live in it.
by Bloody Elbow on Jul 26, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It's like they're trying to cram as much on the front page as possible
It’s well designed for low attention span, low patience people though, which is probably the average internet user. They can look at the front page, see a small snippet of every story and decide which one they want to read without having to scroll through every story. Plus, there are lots of pictures, so they don’t have even have to read if they don’t want to, they can just click whatever catches their eye first.
Definitely agree.
Too much going on.
"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift
the whole damn thing looks cluttered on the front page. Its gotta have some sort of organization. Maybe just because it’s my first trip and I could get used to the layout but I’m not sure that’s the case.
It comes across that way
because there are so many different size/shape/format differences going on. Something like SI (on their NFL page) probably has as many things, but much easier on the eyes.
It probably could use some minor tweaks, but it usable. Personally, I like the “clean” look of things like BE or the NFP, but I’m old and have an attention span, so…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
What makes the SI NFL page easier on the eyes...
is partially because all of the sections line up horizontally. As for MMANation, the end of one section doesn’t correspond to the end of another section, so it more of scrolling down, scrolling up, scrolling down, scrolling up.
"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift
I think that is exactly it. Personally, I love the NFP (national football post) page, but like I said, I’m old…
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Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Bloods (bloodyelbow) and Crips (mmamania) coming together!!
by antone04 on Jul 26, 2011 10:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Hahaahahaha. Piru p.
Nice screen name.
by itsnotthatserious on Jul 26, 2011 1:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Who’s this Nate Wilcox guy? Never heard of him.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
shhhh
keep it under your hat.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
So who’s running the asylum now? Brent, Leland, or Fagan?
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
I'm still here
but Brent and Fagan are running things day to day more and more.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Check out the “Weighing In” Section. We’ll drop little opinion stories there, riffing on the news of the day. It will be a good place to come and chat I hope.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 26, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
MMA Nation needs RSS
That’s how I get BE and I’ll forget or miss articles published on MMA Nation if I can’t get it in my RSS feed.
There is an RSS link at the top of MMA Nation
URL: http://mma.sbnation.com/rss/current
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by Trei Brundrett on Jul 26, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ah, yeah, that is confusing because of the tagline – we’ll fix that
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by Trei Brundrett on Jul 26, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m in. I still have the bloody elbow muscle memory so the new layout is a bit confusing, but it’s cool.
"... All reined up in old language and old assumptions, straining to jump clean-hoofed on to a whole new track of being I only suspect is there. I can't see it, because my educated, average head is being held at the wrong angle..."
by dancingChicken on Jul 26, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is a good thing.
I’m a fan of BE, but it’s difficult to classify this place as a news site. I don’t think the goal of BE was ever to provide balanced news coverage following rigid journalistic guidelines; it was more of a platform to present and discuss the things that are shaping our sport. But it’s always been a criticism of the MMA media that the journalistic quality is lacking. Hopefully this new site is a step in the right direction. Best of luck. I’ll be following.
by POW on Jul 26, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good luck Luke and Nate!
I used to be a sherdog and mma junkie site guy a few years ago and discovered BE because Luke was on the Jorden Breen Show. I decided to give it a chance and check it out. I’ve been hooked ever since and come to the site 3-5 times a day. Like a lot of people I dont like change but like years ago I will give MMANation a chance. I have glanced at it and it does seem promising for the professional platform that you are trying to achieve, and I hope the best for you guys!
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Great work guys, really looking forward to this.
The content looks stellar, but the front page is kind of a mess. Having the feature story as the main event of the page is good, but it kind of crumbles after that. Move your top stories to the top of the page (top right methinks, ala ESPN) No need to list every weight class for rankings, just tab it in a same sized box. Just a little too much going on with the page, and some of the top content and top stories fall to the wayside in that chaos.
by C-Viggity on Jul 26, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I mean if you choose to change only one thing, at least move the top stories. No major news site on the planet requires a page down for top news.
by C-Viggity on Jul 26, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Is there going to be a mobile version?
by Autoguy on Jul 26, 2011 11:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
This.
That’s one of the reasons BE has become my favorite MMA site. It has a mobile version.
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by Ryan Gantz on Jul 26, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
its interesting
that the non-blog direction is being pursued here (as per reasons above, I understand) and yet can’t help noticing (even in context of dust up btn Fagan and Chiappeta (sp?) – which at the time was partly contextualised as ‘blog vs. proper news media’) that a site like MMA fighting has gone in design terms in the opposite direction (more blog like).
Also, is this the end of the current SB Nation MMA set up?
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
I think the trick to getting used to the page is to avoid just looking it over and dismissing it. I gave it a look over a good three or four times and now I’m way more comfortable with it than I was when I first looked. There’s a lot going on, true, but once you figure the location of everything, and see whats going on in general, it’s nice.
I also like the nifty stuff at the bottom of the page. The Network’s Best is nice touch, although it’s a reminder of how out of place Cageside Seats is in a network of combat sports and MMA.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 26, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
Cageside, BadLeft Hook and Gal's Guide
will all be added ASAP
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks. Appreciate that. Fedor making a joke blew my mind.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 26, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
well done
i was waiting for a point of personal preference from you, and when it never came i was oddly impressed w/ the journalism. keep em coming.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Jul 26, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
One more thing
For the love of god, get rid of auto-play video on load
Pretty please
I don't hate the layout of the new site
But I am concerned about the apparent exodus of talent and resources from BE. When Snowden left, the impression was that he had been somehow promoted from the minor leagues. I was sad to see him go, and I’ll be equally bummed if Kid Nate spends more and more of his energy on the new site.
On a personal note, while I have a wide range of interests, hobbies and sporting affiliations, BE is the only blog I participate in with any regularity. I love the community here. I love the tone, and I love the consistency of experience. The live coverage of major MMA events totally enhances the experience for me. I’ll probably occasionally check in on by the SB Nation site, but I’m not going to wade into a community with a bunch of random MMA fans, because I’ve been there before (COUGHmaniaCOUGH) and it makes my head hurt.
I really appreciate all the work Nate and all the rest of the guys (including the moderators) do to make BE such a high-quality experience, and I really hope you’ll keep it up.
Otherwise, good luck on the new endeavor.
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by Dave Strummer on Jul 26, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
there are some promising new people joining
guys like fraser and kj do a great job with the judo chops and predictions and such.
but i agree, i’m a bit worried BE is getting harmed by its own success. more and more people that made the site great are leaving.
we've
tried to strike a balance and are keeping as many of the original crew here at BE as possible. Losing Mike Rome and Nick Thomas were the real kicks in the nuts but times change, people change, the blog goes on.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Its funny because
as much bitching as people did about Snowden’s opinion pieces (and yours as well back in the day), it honestly feels like something is missing now. Don’t get me wrong, the quality of the pieces are generally great, but it is somehow less enjoyable to me at times (think of the difference between Snowden’s history/straight pieces vs his more highly commented pieces – both great, but in very different ways).
Its pretty well impossible to hate on Leland, Burke, Fraser or KJ, although Fagan has his (too rare) moments…
Where is SB Michaelson when we need him…
/ducks and covers
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
absolutely
we need someone to gang up on and violently disagree with
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
by milk72 on Jul 26, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Subo will always be in the comment sections.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
Yeah, but too often he just…takes it…where’s the fun in that?
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
FINE!
I’ll start writing about Brandon Vera then.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 26, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
See, like Leland, you are impossible to hate too…even when y’all have strong views, it is not presented in an antagonistic way.
Personally, I just like having it both ways, aside from NFP and some wonky economics/finance sites, this is the only place I ever comment much any more.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Next article:
10 reasons why Brandon Vera will beat Marshall and move on to win the light heavyweight and heavyweight titles… Hyperlink would look like UFC-Fight-Video-MMA-Brandon-Vera-Champion-Justin-Bieber-Sex-Tape.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 26, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
DO IT!
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jul 26, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Post Jones beating Rampage,
you should do one on why Jones would beat Anderson…and Cain…
Jones gets the heat Lesnar used too, might be fun…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I miss some of those times. I think it was fun for everyone, whether they wanted to admit it or not!
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 26, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
my favorite had to be the ufc 116 post fight piece
on how brock and carwin failed to impress….. a lot of people got very mad that day
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
They really did. But as time went on it’s become clearer I may have been on to something (miraculously!) That was quite a night.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 26, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
This!
I was a lurker until I would vehemently disagree with Snowden.
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by MMArazorback on Jul 26, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
and some of those people miss BE all together now!
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jul 26, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The Ban Hammer of Damocles did sometimes fall a bit often in those…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
and the cases were it might have been an over reaction or an out-of-character comment by someone were often rescinded it seemed.
One of these days they should do an amnesty-type article here, and let the banned and/or formerly named reveal themselves without penalty, assuming they have been “clean” since…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I really think almost everyone enjoyed the hell out of them, and they always seemed to come at just the right pace – not all of the time, but not terribly uncommon either. I am certain comment numbers are way down overall at BE since you guys left and Nate largely pulled back, but are page views/visits still similar?
Between your front page articles and your (hopefully) “Weighing In” pieces, maybe you will be the Paul Krugman of MMA writing with a mix of high level news and analysis.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
traffic's holding steady
growth has leveled off a bit
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I correct in think
that seeing less of you at BE has been a function of getting MMA Nation going, or is that the way it is going to be from now on?
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
you are correct
plus i’ve been sick a bunch and have been fighting a bit of burn out. i will be back in full effect.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes sense
It also doesn’t help that none of the elite fighters have done or said anything particularly spectacular or controversially lately… I can’t put my finger on it exactly, but all of it together just feels like a lull in the activity level overall.
Or maybe that is just me…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
ive noticed the same thing
shit should start getting real starting saturday though, from there there isnt much of a lull until the end of the year
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
This
I don’t want to admit how much I miss the immediate post-fight Snowden flamebait.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jul 26, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
So many people
got their panties so knotted when they read his name by the title…I swear, probably half of those pieces written by Snowden, if they had Leland’s or Fagan’s name, maybe Brent’s, wouldn’t generate anywhere near the pseudo-hate that they did.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
*err, SC, not SB…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
he was a good business analyst
and a good foil for me. we had an epic feud over greasegate, I was after GSP, he was after BJ Penn.
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i'm greedy, so i'll say this
bravo gents. SB Nation rules. I love sports first and foremost, so keep it coming. i’m one of the few who will bounce between BE and Mania, so adding MMA Nation as a new source w/ no rhetoric is all good w/ me.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Jul 26, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions
so far so good
on that front.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Already a step in the right direction.
I’m liking MMA Nation more and more.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Jul 27, 2011 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a huge step
SB Nation is really behind MMA, as everyone can see, and this is only further proof of that.
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I love how mma gets billing on the same tab as all the other major sports on sbnation's homepage.
by castleeb on Jul 26, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn't happen in a lot of other sports news sites.
What I find is that they just get lumped in with “Combat Sports” or, God forbid, under the “Boxing” label.
Every time I see that:
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by McKinley B. Noble on Jul 27, 2011 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the layout. The only thing I’d do differently is have a few more choices where Snowden’s article is kind of like ESPN. Besides that I like the new site. I think everyone will get used of it after a few weeks. Will BE radio move aswell?
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no
but Luke’s MMA Nation show will
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t this already exist, i’ve had bookmark for the main SBN mma newsite for months, did you guys just rename it?
/also i agree that the site layout could use some work, and yes i am an “expert”
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it was
sbnation.com/mma now it’s mma.sbnation.com with a redirect so the old link goes to the new site.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
So that was sort of the beta test, and this is the full launch?
Cool, congrats and good luck.
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This is exciting news for SBNation.
They’re out there trying to dominate the MMA world… Real glad that SBN isn’t content to ride out the fact that BE is already top 5 in the world.
The visual design's not that dissimilar to ESPN, Yahoo Sports or AOL
So it makes sense in that regard competing for their audience. mmanation.com being the direct link to sbnation.com.mma, right?
Plus I’d imagine it could help with credentialing.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Love the idea of the site.
And I seriously love you guys for creating BE, which I visit many times a day. So please don’t think I’m just hating for my feedback:
I think the site is a bit too busy. There is too much going on. I realize you have site consultants telling you it needs to look a certain way, and it can be hard to disagree with them. I work at a software company that designs shopping carts for wineries, and I have to deal with site “experts” all the time. Most of those guys are idiots.
Look at it this way. There is one website in the world that is more prolific than any other. It’s beaten all of it’s competitors handily. One site to rule them all. www.google.com. Go there, and then go to www.yahoo.com and consider the difference.
Tasteful simplicity. This is what you should strive for in web design. And interface design, for that matter. Consider Google Chrome.
Any who, that’s my feedback. I really hope that you don’t think I am just being negative.
by Sqwibbs on Jul 26, 2011 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
much appreciated
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Nail. Head.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jul 26, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Not. Really.
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by Luke Thomas on Jul 26, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure what you could possibly disagree with here
That efficient simplicity isn’t better the a site that feels crowded and busy? Because that seems, to me, to be the gist of what Sqwibbs is saying. I have a hard time believing anyone would think contrarily.
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2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jul 26, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Why don't you compare your reply to Nates
There are ways to take constructive criticism Luke. Yours in the wrong way, his is the right way.
by Stiff Jab on Jul 26, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Excellent point!
I have a yahoo email account and it is rather busy, I always go straight to my mail and that’s it. I use google for absolutely everything. Yahoo’s way too busy for my eyes, msn.com is similar.
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by SentientAndroid on Jul 26, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess maybe they have to look like that?
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by SentientAndroid on Jul 26, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Both Yahoo and MSN
are actually way LESS busy then they were in the past. Back when Google started to pull Yahoo was an eye sore.
But
Google is a search engine. Certainly you don’t want MMA Nation to be a blank page where you enter random terms to find the latest news by trial and error.
You’d just appreciate things to be more sparse, yes? Any suggestions for actual news sites you use that do this well?
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Check out the Sports Illustrated NFL page.
That would be perfect.
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Agreed
Busy, but very well organized, with great flow. Not aware of another MMA page styled like their NFL page.
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by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't like having to strain to find the articles.
The MMANation page is just too clustered. And I realize some people might like that, or it’s the trendy thing to do, but it doesn’t make reading or finding articles any easier.
That’s why I like BE. I can find the latest news in a straightforward, scroll straight down format. That’s also why I dislike the New York Times front page. Everything is jumbled together with nothing lining up and no distinct sections.
For me, any time I see a website that just mashes everything together, I move on.
Why not just have two columns in a more organized fashion?
As for MMANation, pictures aren’t really necessary for every article. I can read. I believe it would be more beneficial to lose the majority of the pictures and make the headlines bigger.
"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift
I’m with you about that, I think if you are going to have that much on the home page, it needs to be done like SI’s NFL page.
Personally, I prefer the cleaner aesthetic of something like BE or the NFP page to either though.
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by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
"That’s also why I dislike the New York Times front page. Everything is jumbled together with nothing lining up and no distinct sections."
You dislike the gold standard in modern digital news layouts? The defense rests, Your Honor.
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by Luke Thomas on Jul 26, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ohhhhh burn. Very witty.
But yes, I dislike the front page of New York Times.
I didn’t realize there is a court of law for opinions. Interesting.
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Have you ever seen the cnbc.com page? Extremely dense, but well organized. Perhaps how often the front page stories are going to change plays a role as well?
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by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Objection.
The Times’ website is awful. Any traffic they get is in spite of, not because of, their design. Currently 37th in traffic behind msn, cnn, and huffpo for comparison.
Not to mention that success /= quality. If someone asks me what the greatest movie of all time is, I’m not pointing to Avatar.
If you’re looking to increase page views, just start adding pornography. That’s what I did for my family’s reunion page and the effect has been tremendous.
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jul 26, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
FPT makes a very important point here.
“success /= quality”
The problem with most of today’s websites is that they are modeled after other successful websites. This is an issue because the only reason nytimes.com is successful is because it’s the New York Fucking Times, not because it’s a good website. If the New York Times newspaper never existed, nobody would go to nytimes.com that because it’s terrible.
New websites should be modeled after successful websites that are a brand in an of themselves.
For example: www.dontevenreply.com , www.fark.com , www.penny-arcade.com www.bloodyelbow.com
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I can get behind this.
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by Luke Thomas on Jul 26, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you’re looking to increase page views, just start adding pornography. That’s what I did for my family’s reunion page and the effect has been tremendous.
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by The American Ronin on Jul 26, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Luke, I hate to disagree with you, but the front page of nytimes.com is a disaster. This is because the people who designed it are trying to use the tactics developed to sell newspapers on a website. That tactic is to cram as much crap on the front page as possible because that is all a customer can see through the window before they buy it.
The problem is that a website is not a newspaper.
"Luke, I hate to disagree with you, but the front page of nytimes.com is a disaster."
Any time i read something like this I think “well, this is clearly wrong”. You guys can gripe all you like, but you’re so incredibly wrong it’s hard to know where to start. Among developers – and by the way, a huge portion of the the guys who built Nation were the same ones who built MMA Fighting – it’s widely considered to feature exquisite demonstrations of simplicity with breadth of coverage. To suggest otherwise is to be completely out of touch with reality and prevailing standards of website development.
And I’m sure someone is going to reply “But I’m a developer” or “I know developers who don’t say that”. Great, I know a lot of developers, too. I also know some at the Washington Post, AOL, and various other media outlets. You know what they ALL rave about? The NY Times.
“That tactic is to cram as much crap on the front page as possible because that is all a customer can see through the window before they buy it.”
I don’t even have a response for this.
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by Luke Thomas on Jul 26, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It blows my mind...
that you’re still trying to refute an opinion by saying what’s the common belief among developers.
Those of us who don’t like the front page layout of the New York Times are out of touch with reality because web designers think it’s awesome? Ok. It’s good to know that the opinions of web designers have precluded the opinions of all others with regard to the preference of website design.
If the same guys that built MMANation also built MMA Fighting, they’re getting paid to take a dive.
But feel free to respond with “you’re opinion is clearly wrong” or “you’re opinion is clearly out of touch with reality”.
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Here’s the thing. We are just a bunch of guys who love MMA, who love what you’ve done in the past, and just want you to succeed. We have no reason to lie to you.
I think the idea for MMANation is solid, and I will continue to stop by there every few days to show my support. That said, I don’t like the layout, and i’m clearly not the only one. I think it’s too cluttered. Maybe my opinion means nothing, but then again, I’m probably your target demographic.
Luke
You can find endless leading web developers who will tell you the NYtimes site has issues. I’m sure you can find plenty who love it as well. That’s sort of how that kind of stuff works. However, the critiques I have seen of it tend to be fairly valid. And again, it makes sense to me to listen to the end users thoughts on the design.
On the Times:
It is boring and lacking points of interest: colour, pictures, a variety of fonts or text sizes – this means the reader is overwhelmed by the multitude of information and text, in a way they might not be on a printed page.
The small point size of the font makes the information hard to scan; this difficulty is exacerbated by the monotonous size of the text. The simple white and blue colour scheme would work if perhaps there was a central wider column of information surrounded by two coloured banners, a design feature the BBC website utilises. Perhaps also using blue as a background for important headlines would also help the reader to visually scan the information on the page. Colour coding for different types of news (i.e. economic, fashion, art and culture, lifestyle, political, editorial) might also help the reader quickly analyse and compartmentalise the mass of information on the website.
These few changes would not only allow the reader to more easily scan the website, as they would a newspaper page, without sacrificing the minimalist design the NYT seem to be employing; it would also add some interest and artistry to the design of the website, which they already demonstrate, and indeed excel at, in their print design.
Essentially, for every "Look how great they were able to incorporate all of that information into one page!" you also have a "Why the hell is their so much information cluttered on to one page!"
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2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
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by Chris Barton on Jul 26, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
We must run in different circles...
…I’ve never heard a web designer or information architect rave about the NYT site.
It’s very newspapery, not webby. Reminds me of early TV when they filmed radio plays before they understood the medium.
You’re right, of course. I was using www.google.com as an example of simplicity. But you don’t have to stray very far to find a great news site that utilizes simplicity: news.google.com
But that's not trendy!
You need at least three columns with big pictures, video, shiny objects, flashing images, etc.
That is what defines a successful website.
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Lol. Seriously though, I feel like web designers are all in an arms race.
“we’ll make your website just like [insert competitors name here], only we will fit MORE crap on the front page!!! Everybody knows that more crap is more good! Just imagine how much crap we will have! [insert competitors name here] is going to be so mad when they see how much more crap we have then they do!”
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Keep It Simple Stupid applies to more and more things. I don’t do web design, but I do work on UI’s and the thing to do is keep things simple to avoid information overload.
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So is “MMA Nation” essentially the title of the MMA section of SBN?
And also 3 column lay out is a tad busy to me. Big main post java slideshow of the posts and than blog-esque colomun and than a side column would be way simpler to me but eh i already have it in my google reader.
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Good luck guys
but like with every introduction of something new, I think I may be sticking with my BE as my go-to mma site. Maybe I’m just stubborn, idk, but I went to SBNation a few times and I just couldn’t get into it at all, so here I am.
I’m a lowly graphic designer from MS, and I guess my brain simply doesn’t want to, or can’t process thos extra layouts. I’m all for simplicity in a design when readability is the primary goal. Then again I guess I could just get used to it…
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by SentientAndroid on Jul 26, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
i think
Nation will be basically feature driven so most of the readers won’t interface with the layout at all. although we’re going to do our damnedest to make the Weighing In column worth checking daily
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I’ll give it a shot. At first BE was my only sbnation spot, but I now frequent Mania and, um *cough GalsGuide on a regular basis.
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by SentientAndroid on Jul 26, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh. I don’t like change. I’m not gonna harp on the layout of the site, I’ve just grown quite familiar with the simplicity of BE. If it’s the only way I can read Jon and Luke’s work nowadays, I’ll check it out. I assume BE will post links to certain articles anyways, to help gain traffic over there.
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by Zachary Kater on Jul 26, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
FYI
I’m running Windows XP on a netbook right now with Google Chrome and the MMA Nation page is rendering (I don’t know if that’s the proper term but let’s go with it) very poorly.
Hey come on guys, the staff of that site loves it and thinks the move makes perfect sense!
You’re all obviously way out of line.
Another SEO slam-dunk by SB Nation.
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Luke and co. have built up a lot of good will with BE and SB Nation as a whole
I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, misgivings about the front page layout notwithstanding.
Now, if I start seeing Bleacher-esque headlines like “Cain Velasquez likes Beyonce’s music and also watched the Royal Wedding” or “Top 10 Most Overrated MMA Fighters” where they include Randy Couture because of his record, I’ll know that they’ve sold their solds to the Dark One.
And then I will have to destroy them and their ilk.
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jul 26, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
we’re not planning on becoming disingenuous dipshits
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 26, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That should be your mission statement at the new site.
Like BE’s Menken reference.
“We’re not planning on becoming disingenuous dipshits.”
I like it.
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jul 26, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I assume they’ll still do posts on BE with links to full articles on SB/MMAnation like they do with other stuff. Too much congestion on the home page over there, so I’m guessing if it matters I’ll find a reference to it here. I haven’t really felt like I was missing anything by relying on BE as a departure point. Good luck with it, though.
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I mean, what's the point? I can't believe anyone wastes time reading a sig past the first line.
Why don’t you put the “top story” box where the “MMA Nation Radio” box is now? Switch their places and you will remove my #1 complaint with the layout. I think the site design is okay (not great) and there’s probably some unjust criticism from people that prefer blogs.
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I just need my cursor to have glitter dripping off of it once the page loads and we're all set.
It’s overwhelming. Reminds me of web pages in the mid 90s.
Like some amateur tripod site. I’m no web designer, but I can only say it’s not easy on the eyes.
The dude abides.
I think they plan on having an autoplay song when you open the page.
But I might have read that wrong.
"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift
With regard to the MMANation front page criticism
I’m pretty sure the point is to provide as many digestible stories, and items onto one interface as possible, which is not as nefarious as it sounds: people multitask better than ever, and being able to select for easily readable chunks of information at a time is the key to developing an online readership. Unlike fast food, online reading benefits from a larger menu. I’m sure the tech designers understand this. The Yahoo/Google comparison makes no sense. The service of a search engine needs to be simple by design, whereas a website that functions as both news aggregator and content provider, must be more complicated (the template is clearly formatted after the Huffington Post).
It may look like trash now, but wait until you can’t sleep, and require your MMA fix: you’ll get used to the format, and once you’ve learned how to navigate (and you’ll learn quick), it’ll be your go-to guide. I don’t get what’s so bizarre about the layout anyway: it’s actually more readable than Sherdog.
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Obviously, I agree with your first point. Who couldn't?
But I disagree with everything else you said.
Late at night, when I am tired, I’ll be sticking with Bloodyelbow for my MMA fix because I don’t want to feel like I need to work at finding material on the front page to read. BE’s simplicity is why I started reading it in the first place.
I actually think Sherdog is more readable, which makes me a sad panda.
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