How Do MMA Crowd Reactions Compare to Other Mediums?
by Tim Burke on Jul 18, 2011 8:00 PM EDT
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Well folks, this is going to annoy some of you, but it's a slow news day so bear with me. Last night in suburban Chicago, a WWE wrestler named Phil Brooks (stage name: CM Punk) elicited one of the craziest, loudest, and most diehard crowd reactions you'll ever see in just about any arena. Yes, pro wrestling's not real. Yes, it was based on a storyline. And yes, it's likely a case of apples and oranges when it comes to comparing this sort of reaction to how a crowd reacts to an MMA fighter because it's a much different type of emotional investment. But it got me thinking - can an MMA fighter ever earn a reaction like this? Has this happened before in MMA?
For those of you that care, the storyline was pretty simple. CM Punk, after five years of being underutilized by the WWE, chose not to renew his contract with them despite Vince McMahon urging him to stay. He came out three weeks ago on their TV show and said exactly that. He called out the company on all it's mistakes and political garbage. He told the truth. The interview was scripted, but it blurred the lines of reality. Punk was the "heel", or bad guy before this. He cut two more promos setting up a final WWE title match with John Cena, the company flag-waver and champion. The matchup was in his hometown of Chicago, and the reaction was unreal. Here's a video of his entrance (yes, it's inverted for some reason. No idea why).
Honestly, I don't think any MMA crowd has ever been as rabid as the one in Allstate Arena last night. The fans chanted his name during every match, he got a four-minute standing ovation entering the ring, they stood and chanted his name for almost all of the 30-minute match, and went absolutely bonkers at the finish (spoiler: Punk won the title and took it home with him. Here's an amusing pic of where he decided to store it).
Here are the biggest MMA reactions I could come up with (with some help from the staff):
Randy Couture vs Tim Sylvia, UFC 68 - The Natural came out of retirement to fight the unloved champion in Sylvia. It took just a eight seconds and one Couture punch for the crowd to go bananas. They rarely let up for the rest of the fight.
Georges St. Pierre vs. Matt Serra, UFC 83 - GSP takes his title back from the French-hating Serra in front of 23,000 at the Bell Centre in Montreal.
Tito Ortiz vs. Ryan Bader, UFC 132 - It seemed like people didn't really know they were still Tito Ortiz fans until he won. Then the crowd went nuts. After all the ill will that Tito garnered, it was great to see that people could see through of it and still root for the guy.
Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen, UFC 117 - After Sonnen stunned everyone into silence for four rounds with his relentless wrestling and ground and pound, Silva shocked everyone with his fifth-round triangle and the crowd went berzerk.
Chuck Liddell vs. Randy Couture, UFC 57 - Basically, they never sat down or shut up. The entire fight had the crowd in hysterics.
Matt Hughes vs. Frank Trigg, UFC 52 - Everyone knows the finishing sequence by now, but when Hughes stood up and carried Trigg across the cage after being almost out, the reaction was huge.
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Mirko Cro Cop, Pride Final Conflict 2003 - 67,500 people lost their minds when Big Nog finished Cro Cop. Japanese crowds are known for being calm, but the reaction to the finish was legendary, just like the two fighters.
Leonard Garcia vs. Chan Sung Jung, WEC 48 - While all 12,555 people were likely not in the arena for this fight yet, the reaction to one of the wildest featherweight wars of our time was off the hook. It was the first undercard fight in recent memory to get a standing ovation. And it lasted a while.
I'm sure there are plenty more. If your choice isn't on the list, put it in the comments. If you don't vote, it's clobberin' time.
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UFC 82
Was Anderson Silva vs Dan Henderson which I went to and saw Matt Serra there because Luke Cummo was fighting on the Undercard. Now I know this is for crowd reaction but as far as loud goes I was able to hear him scream BREATHE LUKE BREATHE!!!!
I know it’s currently the trendy thing to bash pro wrestling, but the fact remains the two largest booms for the UFC occurred after wrestlers crossed over (Shamrock’s return & Brock).
It’s foolish to think fighters couldn’t take a page from the WWE on how to properly hype a fight. You need only look at Chael who fitches his way to wins more than Fitch himself and isn’t nearly as elite. Yet fans are clamoring for one and not the other.
Bottom line is it will always be part of the UFC’s history and will probably continue to be so. Yea we’re not kids anymore and we can bitch about it but aside from TUF it is probably the best thing that happened to MMA, ever.
Great point
And its no secret that the UFC has take cues from professional wrestling as a promotion. As long as we’re not fixing fights I’m a happy camper.
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This was a massive reaction, not the biggest by a long shot, but probably the biggest at a UK event. After getting rocked in the 1st then coming back to win via strikes, the crowd (myself included) went crazy when the ref stopped the fight.
Are you gonna start writing articles about Justin Beibers fan reactions next?
Come on dude, this is stupid.
by HaterSlayer on Jul 18, 2011 8:10 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
When Bieber starts throwing martial arts kicks and using an inverted triangle, hell yeah I will.
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by Rodrigo Vieira Ambar on Jul 19, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
ICarly did an MMA episode. You’re late to the party brah.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 19, 2011 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
True Blood jumped that shark too
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I was in Chicago last night for MITB, and the ovation when Punk’s music started playing was deafening. A child began crying when heard it. I also attended with a friend who as at GSP/Shields and said that Punk’s pop was considerably louder.
I honestly haven’t enjoyed an MMA PPV as much as I enjoyed MITB in a very long time.
Sotiropoulos in Australia (and the Aussies have had damn good crowds both times out)
Hominick vs. Aldo at 129
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As i'm Aussie i tend to agree.
But I thought Wanderlei Silvas entrance to Sandstorm @ 110, or his final flurry v Bisping in round 3 was louder.
Never realized cm punk looks like a small frank mir
I been to a pro wrestling event at the hp pavilion in san jose when they had the rock, hhh, big show when mcmahon was doing the whole corporation angle and it was loud, but when I went to carano vs cyborg in that same arena it seemed much louder when carano came out than it did for the wwf event.
People got pretty damn loud during the Aldo, Hominick fight. I don’t know if controlling for the size of the crowd matters, though. I’m not sure how you could accurately judge crowd reaction on TV compared to a live crowd. I’m pretty sure a lot of responses on here are going to be about some fight that someone saw live where everyone went nuts.
When Couture was brought back to fight Sylvia, it seemed like they were setting up a glorified squash match and it was just a placeholder match to both cash in on Couture’s name and give Couture a big final paycheck since the sport blew up just before his initial retirement. Everyone thought the real title fight would be when Sylvia fought Cro Cop (again, no one thought Cro Cop would lose to Gonzaga). Couture punking out and consistently manhandling Tim Sylvia was completely surreal and had the whole crowd on its feet for practically the entire match.
Very rarely do I say things like “FACT!” or whatever, but there is no debate, this is the loudest crowd reaction in UFC history. People forget just how sure everyone was that Randy would get crippled for life. I mean, forget winning, people were absolutely sure he would get permanently injured in this match. 20 years older, 1 foot reach advantage for Tim, 40 lb weight advantage, 8 inches taller. Plus, Tim Sylvia at that time was truly the most universally despised fighter in UFC history, he had literally not a single fan. I just remember the bell ringing and being like “Cmon Randy, just dont get hurt, here we HOLYFUCKINGSHITWHATTHEFUCKJUSTHAPPENED?!?!?!!?!?” An entire room of grown men, some as old as 60, jumping up off couches screaming their heads off going absolutely apeshit. Nothing will ever compare.
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by poundnground on Jul 18, 2011 8:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Strangely, I just bought an old school “It’s Clobberin’ Time” SOIA shirt… I’m going to be the coolest guy mowing his lawn you’ll ever drive past.
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by timetraveltome on Jul 19, 2011 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Randy kickin inside and dropin Tim with a bomb made planet earth shit their pants simultaneously.
Crowd went bananas friggin bananas. The bar I was at was deafening. There’s no comparison
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Does the WWE have a just bleed kind of guy ? An iconic hardcore fan. I can think of that gif with a young black dude losing it in the crowd, but that’s it.
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WWE has so many ridiculous fans that it’s hard to pick simply one. There’s Sign Guy, Miz Girl, Cell Phone Girl, Clappingrandyortonfan.gif, AngryJeffHardyFans.gif, you can go on and on.
by OldBoomBap on Jul 18, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Tim Burke on Jul 18, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Holy crap, Ted Bundy came back as a little girl.....
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In all honesty
The UFC has the worst fans in the world, most don’t appreciate martial arts, they just wanna see “wars”. And they’re always fucking booing
by antone04 on Jul 19, 2011 1:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wrong..
All South Florida sports franchises have the worst fans in the world. They don’t even show up unless the team is in a title game.
no its ufc fans
“dont like that wrestling bullshit!!”
Why the Xs on his fists? Is he straight-edge?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 18, 2011 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
Yep, that was his gimmick for a long time, but he really is.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 18, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a punk (as in the music) thing that involves not doing consuming any Tobacco, drugs or alcohol. There are a few different variations of it, but that’s basically CM Punk’s version.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 18, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It also generally involves being sex free and violence free as well.
It was originally brought about by bands like Minor Threat as a fuck you in response to what the punk rock scene (music scene in general) was becoming. A drug addled mess of self indulgences. Self control was glorified instead. As time passed it would branch off and start to involve things like vegetarianism and veganism.
Starting around the mid to late 90s things became much more hardcore influenced with heavier bands promoting it. Strife, Earth Crisis, Green Rage, etc etc etc all brought a much more metal influenced sound and also started to bring in a much more militant view on it. You were straight edge or you weren’t, and if you weren’t you didn’t matter. Eventually spreading off into gangs like the Courage Crew (who instead of wearing xXx or sXe modified things to a cXc), self righteous pricks of the highest order who spread violence like a disease..
All and all it was and can still be a very positive thing for people involved in the punk/hardcore scene, but like everything else it has it’s share of evils attached. I personally never claimed the label though I filled the role for years during my late teens and early twenties. Was a great time to be a punk fan in Louisville at the time. Guilt, Endpoint, Falling Foward, Hedge, Enkindel, Metroschifter and more coming out of the city and everybody else coming thru it.
by Empty Thoughts on Jul 18, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It also generally involves being sex free and violence free as well.
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by Simco on Jul 18, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rumor has it that CM Punk COMPLETELY misses those parts ;-)
The “sex free” and “violence free” parts, that is.
I saw a National Geographic show about these straight edge gangs that would wait outside of bars and jump drunk people when they came out. As an avid drinker it scared the shit out of me.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Yeah it’s pretty disgusting.
At the time we had a handful of kids move down from Ohio to try and spread it (Courage Crew) into the Kentucky scene and thankfully it never picked up more than a handful of idiots. The music while heavy had always been backed by some very cool people espousing the exact opposite ideas and it just couldn’t gain a foot hold. They tried though.
I know though that at one point similar to what has happened with skinheads with sharps (Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice) there were gangs forming to combat these straight edge gangs. A sad cycle there…
by Empty Thoughts on Jul 19, 2011 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
I live in St. Louis… and there are still areas old school SHARPs will not frequent just because they still are on edge from the past.
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by timetraveltome on Jul 19, 2011 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Although, I came in scene-wise at like 1997...
and I never have had a major run-in with anyone… So hearing your badass, wizened older friends saying “ooh… I’m not going there… skinheads”… for some parts of the city is unendingly hilarious.
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by timetraveltome on Jul 19, 2011 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions
lol, been there myself. As the one hearing it and the one saying it.
Thank god the one time we didn’t listen, a proposed trip to Detroit for a grindcore festival, our trip feel thru otherwise we’d probably have got the shit beaten out of us. Heard after the fact that there were some pretty horrible beatings that took place for whatever reasons.
by Empty Thoughts on Jul 19, 2011 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh it's totally for real...
It’s just strange to me… I got old and could care less… Other people get old and it’s still really serious business.
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by timetraveltome on Jul 19, 2011 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Those guys are assholes.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 19, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
A straight edge wrestler who even made Stone Cold a fan… impressive.
He certainly made things interesting… excited to see how they’ll write this.
Does he go around the world defacing the belt then come back for the huge return, or just take time off and return at WM?
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by MMArazorback on Jul 18, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Reports look like he’s going to go around defacing the belt. Don’t know how long he’ll be doing that. He’s already defended it once today, against Piston Honda.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 18, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I bet it’s a fake belt like the one Bones won’t sign.
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by Scabby Knuckle on Jul 18, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Both on and off-camera, yeah
Albeit on camera, when playing a bad guy he swings more towards the “militant” version of straight edge.
The biggest reaction I can think of is when Royce Gracie’s corner threw in the towel in the Sakuraba fight and when Saku shook Helio’s hand
by I Don't Think So Jerome! on Jul 18, 2011 8:17 PM EDT reply actions
Came here to say the same thing
It was unreal.
Wasn't their for Randy and Timmah but I was for Silva and Sonnen
I was watching the PPV at this local restaurant man that crowd was loud all 23.5 minutes of that fight and when Sonnen tapped place exploded
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by Pyrgz Krum on Jul 18, 2011 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Big Nog submitting Cro Cop.
And it’s not even close.
I hate to state things in such a way, but if people are seriously picking anything else, then I would wager they have neither seen, nor have a full appreciation of, exactly what happened that night in Japan. The entire Tokyo Dome absolutely lost its collective shit when Big Nog secured that arm bar.
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I was there for both Silva vs. Sonnen and Ortiz vs. Bader
Watched Sylvia vs. Couture live on PPV in a bar and Cro Cop vs Nog after the fact,,, My vote goes to Silva vs. Sonnen
Cain vs. Brock
I thought that was a pretty epic reaction. Speaking of epic does anybody remember when Triple H came back from the torn quad at MSG? Loudest pop ever
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Yup Cain vs Brock
As far as a sustained loud crowd, I would say Ive never heard one be that loud for that long in any other MMA fight. The examples people are giving all around here are just loud pops. CM PUNK vs Cena was not a loud pop. It was a sustained loud crowd.
I’d say it was a combo of two reasons. Cain and his Latino fans and Brock and his Wrestling/MMA fans.
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by xFenixKnightx on Jul 19, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
The crowd for this event was ridiculous. I was wondering why the fuck they were chanting C.M. Punk when Big Show was being carted off, but after seeing the crowd reaction, I know why.
The only things I can think of in MMA that compare are when GSP fights in Canada. The crowd reaction is rabid. I wish more MMA events had these loud reactions because it gets me even more amped for the fight. Imagine if Diaz-GSP was in Canada. Wow.
by mountaineers101 on Jul 18, 2011 8:32 PM EDT reply actions
I watched the CM Punk shoot just now, that was awesome. I stopped watching pro wrestling back in 2005/2006 but was a big Ring of Honor, TNA and indy fan at the time. I remember when CM Punk left ROH and all. It’s just interesting to see this now and what might happen next.
No clue about what has gotten the crowd most amped though. GSP fighting in Canada has been pretty big, but WWE audiences seem to be bigger than UFC audiences. Am I correct in thinking that?
once the rock left for good i was done it got corny
also it got sloppy i knew it was fake but they started getting lazy with the moves. it makes it look more fake when you fall before the hits come.
There was a pretty big one two weeks after the first shoot as well
With CM Punk publicly/on air lambasting his boss for firing two of his real-life friends
Pro wrestling has to be one of the stupidest things on this earth
by Shaun32887 on Jul 18, 2011 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Truthfully, at times, it can be.
It just depends on what you look for. When I look for a good promo, I turn to C.M. Punk (who does put on good matches as well). In-ring, there are actually still some good performers. Evan Bourne, Kofi Kingston, and Sin Cara are good for high flying stunts, while Daniel Bryan is so fun to watch techincally. WWE is kind of in the same phase as boxing right now. A pretty heavy lull since the Attitude era.
by mountaineers101 on Jul 18, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
What really does frustrate me is how people act like they’re too “smart” for pro wrestling, as if wrestling is trying to mind fuck you. We all know it is fake, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t some value within the sport.
by mountaineers101 on Jul 18, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not a sport
and in theory, I can sort of understand the appeal. It just falls flat in execution, terrible writing, terrible acting.
I give it the same respect that I give the latest Tony Jaa or Jason Statham movie, but the writing and acting just drive me crazy.
It’s theater, and I hate how it’s always getting compared to MMA. As far as I’m concerned, MMA is its antithesis.
Of course
Most of the pro-wrestling you see on TV nowadays is horrible. By it’s nature, anything televised in order to gain a big audience is going after the lowest common demoninator. The thing is not to look at the WWF/E and think “Oh, this is all pro wrestling is”. It’s a much bigger and varied industry than what VKM just puts out. Watch some CHIKARA, for instance.
Two of the biggest I remember live were BJ vs. GSP in Vegas and Couture vs. Nogueira in Portland. Those were both wild crowds.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 18, 2011 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I forgot about Couture/Nog at the Rose Garden. Good call.
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I came to say that
I was there for Couture/Nog and the crowd was going nuts the entire fight, especially in the 2nd round when the two of them basically got into a close range hockey brawl and just beat the stuffing out of each other.
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by CasualMMAFan on Jul 19, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Which GSP/Penn?
They were both in Las Vegas.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 18, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The second one. Lots of fans traveled from Hawaii and Canada. It was a cool and kind of scary environment.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 19, 2011 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe if the fucking UFC would come back to Chicago
it would get a better reaction. I just want in back here so very bad.
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by MMArazorback on Jul 18, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The video is inverted to slow the process of the YouTube figuring out it's copyrighted material.
I’m assuming it slows the process of automatically comparing stills to the original with whatever software they use.
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Blows every one of these out of the water. I was there, and my ears still hurt well after the fight ended. It was loud when Randy’s music started, and when he hit the takedown, the place got physically loud. The TD center shook.
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by esquilinho on Jul 18, 2011 8:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
that fight was stupid "ufc vs boxing"
ufc isnt even a sport, that shows the ignorance of most ufc fans, of course the mma fighter is gonna win, wtf were they expecting??
I saw MITB and Chicago fans are loyal/rabid. I wanna vote but a lot of these UFCs I’ve never seen.
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Jul 18, 2011 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
Couture – Lesnar. I was at this event and the crowd went nuts when Couture came out. I have been to 5 UFC events and this easily surpasses anything I have seen. Everyone was standing and the crowd was about 90% pro Couture which only added to it.
In comparison, the 2nd best I saw was probably Liddell when he came out to fight Rashad Evans in Atlanta. Liddell was getting the support of about 90% of the crowd, but the noise wasn’t as loud, 1 out 3 were standing and it was short lived. People cheered Couture from the moment his picture was shown and didn’t stop until Buffer started talking. At least that’s how I remember it anyways.
by TREY JACKSON on Jul 18, 2011 9:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Was at UFC 121: Lesnar vs Velasquez
Holy hell. The entrance for Velasquez was deafening, I literally couldn’t hear mt friends who’s 2inces away from. I guess the Latino fan based showed up ready and amped.
Lots of boos for lesnar he was obviously in enemy territory. When it was all said and done at the end if all those knockdowns m takedowns n herb dean waived the fight off pandemonium occured. It was a cRazy Reaction.
by itsnotthatserious on Jul 18, 2011 9:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sorry
I just don’t see the point of this article. All those caveats at the start of the article are the reasons why it is irrelevant to a discussion about MMA crowd reaction. MMA is it’s own sport and it has it’s own fan base who respond in a particular way. Urijah Faber fighting in California, GSP fighting in Toronto, those sorts of reactions are notable and they make for a great in-person experience.
MMA has worked hard to distinguish itself from boxing. Now, too often, I see pro wrestling fans wanting to create a kind of bridge between those worlds. MMA doesn’t need pro wrestling, and pro wrestling doesn’t need MMA. For every Brock Lesnar who can make the cross over, there are about a hundred Dos Caras’ who struggle against journeymen and shatter under pressure from elite fighters.
To me, it the difference between the Harlem Globtrotters and ANY NBA team. Both play basketball, but one your watch for form, the other you watch for competition.
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by jackbox on Jul 18, 2011 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Pro wrestling has pitches before fake fights
MMA has no pitches / terrible zuffa propaganda and then real fights
c’est la vie
I’ve been saying for a long time, I watched UFC before I watched WWF and then went back to UFC after I was done and got older
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by ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ on Jul 18, 2011 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
If MMA fighters were allowed to make unique, lengthy entrances onto an elevated ramp in front of huge video screens while custom music played, maybe the crowd reactions would be stronger. With the WWE, people are excited for the entrance itself. In the UFC, just about everyone makes the same walk through the crowd, gets checked out by an official, and has about fifteen seconds to jump around the ring. Repetitive and not very exciting. I know the UFC had the ramp years ago, but it was nothing like a WWE entrance. I go to see a small local wrestling promotion several times a year, they have almost no money and there are 300 people in the crowd, but even their entrances are better than UFC entrances because the wrestlers can interact directly with the crowd and so on.
by Finian1 on Jul 18, 2011 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well it's not that
WWE wrestlers are pushed based on their personalities and they will win matches if they catch on with fans. If MMA was like WWE then Kimbo Slice would probably be the HW champion right now and he’d get huge cheers everywhere he went.
by HaterSlayer on Jul 18, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cain vs Brock was nuts. I have it on DVR. I've seen it a bunch of times.
It was crazy loud. It was like a Boxing scene.
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surprised no one has said hendo bisping yet
that shit was bananas
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 18, 2011 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
Damn son, that Cena guy has an iron chin
by smoogy2 on Jul 18, 2011 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
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by Neil Manich on Jul 18, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what I don't understand
I wouldn’t be excited by a knee like this; I’d be annoyed that the other guy was just sitting there waiting for it. It’s like they’re not even trying to make it look real.
Im a hardcore MMA guy.
And that knee still got me all hyped. Just have fun with it, man. It helps that my 2 sons (7 and 9) are into it now and I can enjoy it with them.
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by xFenixKnightx on Jul 19, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you can get into the story of a match, a knee like that can pick you up out of your seat. That’s the trick though, being able to look at what has happened in the match and being able to ignore what you know at the same time. If you can do both there are still quite a few guys out there putting on some great fights. Which I heard this one was though I haven’t seen it yet.
by Empty Thoughts on Jul 19, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
This was a legit classic. No lame gimmicks, stipulations, or anything of that nature. Just a 35 minute wrestling match that showcased both men well. There were some sloppy parts, but the crowd was so into it that you just couldn’t care. John Cena is constantly ridiculed for being predictable and “lazy” in the ring, and he was really getting after it. Punk was Punk. Which is awesome. Good match, great show.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 19, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cena on a week to week basis is pretty lazy, but the man has put on some damn fine fights when put in the ring and given the chance. Not a fan in general, but he has got me at times.
by Empty Thoughts on Jul 20, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s why you need context. This was 3/4 of the way through a 30+ minute match that had been back and forth to say the least. He was selling the exhaustion by leaning against the ropes trying to catch his breath and Punk just ran at him with a flying knee from across the ring.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 19, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody leans against the ropes when someone is attacking them to catch their breath
especially when a flying knee is coming.
That whole “acting tired/dazed” thing as an excuse to set up these moves was my biggest problem with it
The thing is
Most adults who watch wrestling, and I’m talking a large majority here, know that everything is a set-up. It’s planned excitement. That knee will never excite a wrestling fan in the same way an Anthony Pettis cage kick would but they understand that. They frankly don’t care because it’s a different type of entertainment. The beauty of this particular storyline was that it blurred the lines between what was real and fake. This hasn’t been done effectively since the 90s. The fans in Chicago knew this.
by Holls Hoyce on Jul 20, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
At least it's better than Chris Benoit's idea of how to make it look real
Namely, do/take it for real.
Honestly, it didn’t get much better than seeing Benoit work. I can’t remember ever hearing people criticize his work ethic because he always brought the best out of them. Even if it did leave them bruised up some nights.
by Empty Thoughts on Jul 20, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing with Chicago is that the fans are loyal and rabid in regards to their professional wrestling. I remember watching some ROH shows where the fans just go crazy. I feel that MMA just hasn’t established that type of thing yet. There is professional wrestling history in Chicago whether it be memorable matches or moments, and I don’t feel that MMA has that type of history quite yet.
As far as MMA goes, there are hardly promos or tv shows to get that type of emotional investment behind a fighter. These pro wrestling feuds get built up on a weekly basis and get tv time, so it’s just a totally different thing.
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BJ vs GSP 2 at UFC 94
And its not even close……i was there live and ive been to many giants, knicks, and yankees games and ny is notorious for having some of the most rabid fans in the world (think MSG). The whole night the crowd was going ape shit but when it was time for the main event, the place went fuking bonkers, you couldnt even hear someone next to you even with them screaming at you. I later heard Rogan said it was the loudest event he’d ever been at.
it's pretty sad when you think about the millions of fans the WWE has
it’s basically a live soap opera
hogan vs the rock in toronto
the fans went absolutely crazy for hogan even though he was the heel and back with the nWo…for ufc it has to be tim sylvia randy couture, nothing comes close to that fight
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by fightersvizion on Jul 19, 2011 4:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don’t think we are in general. There is just a vocal enough minority who always has to be.
by Empty Thoughts on Jul 19, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
The mainstream already compares us
and some of us hate that. We don’t want to encourage it. Putting pro wrestling on a site that covers MMA, boxing, muay thai, kick boxing and grappling puts it into a category that it does not deserve.
It belongs on sites that cover theater and soap operas.
The Rock
I haven’t watched wrestling in a long time but when I watched the Rocks return on youtube I had goose bumps throughout the whole thing. They way he captivated the audience was brilliant. He’s such a great entertainer. I’m not sure what mma would have to do to get a reaction like that. I think just putting on a good fight is about how far it will go. The raw emotion you get after watching someone get knocked out or watching your favorite fighter knock someone out. Watching Chuck finish Tito. Those emotions are real. I don’t know if we could ever give a fighter an entrance like the one CM Punk or The Rock receives unless someone comes out of retirement. If Chuck came out of retirement and announced that it was his last fight regardless of the outcome then I think he would get that type of reaction from the fans.
Here’s the Rocks return to WWE. I also think the build up to the introductions(such as in this video) of a fighter would help as well if you want that boost of excitement from the fans.
http://youtu.be/h8ejiG5-BtA
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by TruthSeeker1223 on Jul 19, 2011 10:11 AM EDT reply actions
Just for parity.
Here’s John Cena’s entrance. It was his entrance that gave me goosebumps. The crowd was white hot. Made me feel like a kid again.
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by slapchop on Jul 19, 2011 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Mirko Cro Cop, Pride Final Conflict 2003...
…won’t get much recognition, but this was insane. The crowd went nuts. That Saitama Super Arena is freaking huuuuuuge.
I was in Houston for UFC 69
Both the reaction to Huerta/Garcia was insane (for the whole fight), but also the reaction to GSP getting KO’d.
And the negative reaction was quite insane for Kos’ win over Diego as well.
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