Alistair Overeem Considers Move to Boxing To Face Vitali Klitschko
by Fraser Coffeen on Jul 16, 2011 10:01 AM EDT
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Strikeforce and K-1 champion Alistair Overeem was recently in Poland for a seminar and was interviewed by Polish site BoxingNews.pl. Overeem is always ready for an interview, and this one touches on much of what you would expect, looking ahead at the Antonio Silva fight and the Strikeforce finals, his lack of interest in fighting Fedor these days. But then Overeem is asked what will come next for him after Strikeforce, and his answer is a pretty weird one:
The UFC or maybe boxing... I think [boxing] matches my personality. I'm always looking for a challenge... It'd be cool to go into boxing and beat a main guy there. I know if you give me good preparation, good sparring partners, which, I can arrange, I can fix that, with my background already in kickboxing, my K-1 background, I'm sure I can break some bones.
The reporter brings up the idea of Overeem facing Vitali Klitschko, and asks if this is a fight Overeem is seriously considering. The Reem's response? "Definitely."
It's hard to judge how serious Overeem is about the idea of taking a break from MMA to focus on boxing, or if he is just thinking out loud here. But if he does make this move, it would not be out of character for Overeem. The Pride veteran spent much of the last two years focusing on his K-1 career - a move that worked wonders for his MMA career, both in terms of his in-ring skills and his marketability. As a K-1 fighter, Overeem used a lot of clinches and knees, which he has since brought into his MMA game. A focus on boxing and tightening up his punches could further improve him in MMA. And while it's hard to imagine him actually defeating Klitschko, even a strong showing against Vitali would further increase the "Reem" aura he has cultivated in recent years.
Klitschko is 42-2 as a boxer and is undefeated since 2003. Interestingly, he began his career as a kickboxer, putting together an undocumented record of 34-1 before making the move to boxing. Along with his brother Wladimir, he clearly dominates the heavyweight boxing ranks, and would obviously be a massive favorite against Overeem.
Scott Christ over at Bad Left Hook has the boxing fan's take on this potential match-up:
Now obviously I don't think he could beat Vitali Klitschko in a boxing match, but then I didn't think Albert Sosnowski or Shannon Briggs could either, and those fights happened with zero intrigue or appeal beyond the normal Klitschko audience, so I guess what I'm saying is, hey, why not? What the hell? Everyone in heavyweight boxing is so far behind the Klitschko brothers that I couldn't blame Vitali for potentially entertaining the idea, as silly as it might sound to purists and even considering it's beyond unlikely to ever be a serious issue in the first place.
I agree with Scott that while it's highly unlikely this will ever actually take place, it would definitely draw a different set of fans to boxing, and would be a fascinating moment for both Klitschko and Overeem.
Video of the full interview after the break.
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I don't want to sound like a lame Lorraine
but he would get shit on.
You know what they say
by NEW-HAMPSHIRE on Jul 16, 2011 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well then...
…since Vitali used to kickbox, why not make it a kickboxing match? Than evens it out a lil bit, huh?
by Grease S. Pieces on Jul 16, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Or he could shock the World and KHTFO?
If he did, BIG if, he could make a pretty good case as the best fighter ever.
Personally I think he is pulling a Diaz and angling for the biggest UFC contract possible.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
by Shotokanman on Jul 16, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
God I hope so
Please let this not be another Fedor-situation where after endless debate he never fights in the UFC. I would be so disappointed.
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Agree on both of your points
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by The American Ronin on Jul 17, 2011 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah he would.
The Werdum punched just illuminated how much of a problem it is, but the new big, buff ass Overeem gets beat to the punch constantly. He shells up, corners you, and unloads. A guy like Vitali would just jab/ cross the fuck out of him, Alistair would never get inside.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 16, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Vitali could literally beat him however he chose to
Inside, outside, both. KO, points, 1st round, 5th round etc…
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Yeah,
I would honestly like to see that fight more under K-1 rules (since they’ve all but abolished knees anyways). Reem doesn’t kick too much, and Vitali supposedly has some kickboxing experience, so it would be much more even.
I prefer Vitali to Wlad anyways… Vit has bricks for fists and opens up alot more. Although when Wlad gets some confidence going, he’s awesome to watch.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 16, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Overeem but what a joke.
Nevertheless I’m always up for some mindless entertainment.
by Fedornuthugger on Jul 16, 2011 10:03 AM EDT reply actions
I think this announcement has more too do with leverage then Reem actually boxing.
It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if, the Reem were trying to renegotiate a longer contract. This sort of news piece can be used to make Coker/Zuffa worry about losing him. I think boxing fans would like that fight, it would be their James Toney vs. Randy Couture payback.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
True
Overeem himself recently talked about how poorly he would fare in boxing, how different it is.
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by The American Ronin on Jul 17, 2011 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
These stories are very useful in terms of contractual negotiations.
Look at Tito Ortiz just last week. He was able to use the news and the desperate need for a headline fight for a new contract, security and possibly relevance in the LHW division. Anytime I see these type of stories I think there is something else going on. It is a straw man for the sake of contractual leverage.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
Looking past Bigfoot?
I could see a gassed Reem losing if he doesn’t take this fight seriously. Then no boxer would take him seriously either.
No sir, I don't like it.
well overeem has to box
that limits his most powerful attacks his uber knee uber elbow uber clinch game. klit has speed also alot of power and very good gas tank. overeem hands are not that good he will leave alot of holes open for counter power jabs by klit. also overeem has a suspect gas tank if kilt gets within his guard and starts murdering his gut in the corner. i don’t think he will be able to continue. i’m not saying reem sucks just in the boxing world he would have alot of problems. just like if klit stepped into the mma world reem would leg kick and cirlce around the him. clinch him use elbows and knees take him out
He’s not a boxer. In kickboxing he is successful because his opponents have to protect against knees and punches. He almost never uses a jab, he rarely puts together combinations, he doesn’t move his head very well to defend, he just puts his gloves up. In a 12 round fight he would get picked apart. Either Klitschko would tag the hell out of him as he wound up for those one-timer power punches.
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by memitim on Jul 16, 2011 6:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you crazy!
I got 2 questions.
1. How does he get to Vitali in the first place?
2. How do you knock out a man with a head made of stone?
Vitali would just keep him at range and make a mockery of him! Two things are required to beat Vitali, quick footwork and good head movement, neither of which Reem possesses.
This is a little frustrating for the MMA fan in me. Sure it would be exciting/intriguing, but let’s see Alistair sit down and prove some things for a few years before he moves on to greener pastures.
This is a bad idea he really needs to rethink this cause he will get smoked.
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by Bobillarious on Jul 16, 2011 10:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
On a positive note, this fight will never happen.
Vitali Klitschko would dominate Overeem in a boxing match. If Overeem wants to crossover into boxing, he should aim a little lower. I think James Toney is still looking for a fight.
by d.rok on Jul 16, 2011 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
With his striking defense
Vitali would murder him.
by phillyhoosfan on Jul 16, 2011 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
You know Vitali is a world champion boxer?
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by memitim on Jul 16, 2011 8:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So?
Even THERE his technique leaves much to be desired. Vitali is arguably the best HW boxer there is right and would rightfully maul Overeem in a boxing match.
totally agree
Overeem has potent offensive striking skills but his lack of head-movement and shell defense would get him killed against an elite boxer. Also while he has great KO power in his hands, his best offense normally comes in the clinch where he can bully guys.
aka BuckeyedBear34
He does just fine in K-1
Kickboxing defense is a lot more complicated than boxing defense.
Not only that, who has seen Overeem box? Anybody?
MMA does not give us any clue as to how he would box.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Not only that, who has seen Overeem box? Anybody?
MMA does not give us any clue as to how he would box.
I’m pretty sure that Overeem the boxer would look a lot like Overeem the kickboxer who looked a lot like Overeem the MMA fighter.
I’m not saying he is awful on striking defense but it is clearly the weakest part of his striking game. yes he won the K-1 tournament and is a good kickboxer, but taking on a Klitschko is a bridge too far for Reem. I think he could go the distance but drop a pretty one-sided decision.
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He'd get demolished
but my point is that Overeem’s K-1 defense is fine and we have no idea what his boxing would be like.
Its silly to think that an MMA match can tell you very much about his actual boxing ability, seeing as he has to completely change the way he punches and defends punches.
Overeem the kick boxer doesn’t look like Overeem the MMA fighter at all to me, but that’s just my opinion.
I’d agree that defense is his weakest area of striking, but there’s only two and his offense is great. Covering up is the one thing he does really well on defense.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Well,
the problem with Reem’s defense is that it’s too stationary. His bulky ass forearms can block a majority of your shots (especially with the larger 8 oz. kickboxing/ boxing gloves), but against a really brilliant puncher, that’s not enough. A good puncher can throw in combinations, move your guard out of position, and blast through the holes. Hari was able to do this again and again in his rematch with Alistair. Bonjasky cracked through Reem’s guard for a knockdown. Spong was touching Alistair’s chin regularly throughout the 1’st round of their fight. And Werdum was tagging Reem frequently, although Alistair generally countered those flurries with much harder shots.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 16, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
My point is that he can cover up well and we have no idea what his boxing defense is like.
And let’s not forget, he won all of those fights. Bonjasky was gifted the decision.
Pretending like we have idea what his boxing defense is like is silly and acting like his striking defense is truly sub-par is just ignorant.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
A huge thing about that
Bad’r and Remy are two of the best kick boxers ever.
The fact the he won the K-1 WGP proves that his defense in fine.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
He had a cakewalk draw, though.
Spong is wayyy smaller than him and doesn’t have good endurance at this weight. That was a good win, though. Saki was torn to pieces from that unbelievable shootout with Ghita, all Reem had to do was land a single blow on his fucked arm and he won. Aerts had a helluva war with Schilt right before, but Reem has his number and he blew him out of the water like he should’ve.
Like I said- Reem’s massive arms block the majority of incoming shots. But his defense is very stationary and very limited. An gigantic offensive dynamo like Vitali would just blow the doors off of Alistair, who would plod forward and eat shots, constantly looking for an opportunity to counter that never comes. Reem has never done well against aggressive sluggers, and Vitali fits that bill to a T.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 16, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
In no way am I denying that
The OP said Alistair can’t shell well, but he can.
Deconstructing his GP win doesn’t help prove he has bad defense either.
I would never call Vitali an aggressive slugger, but that’s neither here nor there because I agree with you that Overeem is not even close to ready for him. I even said that 2 hours ago above.
I’m just saying that his defense isn’t bad.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Fair enough,
although the Spong fight definitely showed his defensive pitfalls. Hell, Saki was even smacking him around with one hand for a while before Reem lasered onto the fucked up arm.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 16, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Spong isn't top 5,
but I get what you’re saying and you’re right.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 16, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Top 10 is perfect.
I just don’t like the extra weight on him. Maybe he’ll grow into it, he’s only like 25/ 26.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 16, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Spong looks pretty fantastic against Reem
Lost, but he did look good!
by hardlyworking on Jul 16, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He looked studly for the 1'st round
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 18, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I should add
In K-1, Overeem’s defense in shelling up. He covers up better than almost anyone.
The man blocks head kicks(from world class HW’s) like they are jabs.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
i hope this happens.
It should be in a k1 style bout though, since vitali is also a kickboxer.
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by the-gentle-way on Jul 16, 2011 10:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It should be a mixed rules fight.
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omg !!!
I love that silly stuff ! Book it Japan!
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by the-gentle-way on Jul 16, 2011 12:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nick Diaz
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by RolloTomasi on Jul 16, 2011 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
He could be pulling a nick Diaz
Trying to get an upper hand in contract negotiations maybe??? Hell, Diaz said he wanted to fight Jeff lacy. Who knows……. Overreem swagger jacking the 209
by itsnotthatserious on Jul 16, 2011 11:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Allistair is fooling no one with this
You know Joe, Brandon Vera is considered to be a Heavyweight George St.Pierre because he just comes, comes, and comes again... -Mike Goldberg, UFC 57
Cheick Kongo looks like a cross between Evander Holyfield and pop singer Seal!
Melvin Guilard looks like a little Kevin Randelman!
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First thing I thought of when I heard about this.
Reem’s trying to get that Diaz money.
by Rob Young on Jul 16, 2011 4:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Crazy talk
He was gassed after 5 minutes against Werdum and he’s going to go into what I can only assume would be a 12 round boxing match? :-S
Reem has never had gas tank issues in striking matches,
and he really wasn’t all that gassed at the end of the Werdum fight. The real issue is that he would get fucked by a Klitsckho.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 16, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
“and he really wasn’t all that gassed at the end of the Werdum fight.”
Say what? The guy had trouble speaking a single sentence in the post-fight-interview.
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He probably mean during the fight
He was very tired, but not totally gassed IMO.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
That's what I was getting at for sure.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 18, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
You realize he won 3 fights in one night at the K-1 tourny right?
Stuffing a zillion TD attempts will gas you a tad.
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by RolloTomasi on Jul 16, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If he's going to fight a Klitschko
he should be gunning for Wlad.
What everyone needs to do is calm down, take a deep breath, and prepare their bodies for the Thunderdome.
by lowellthehammer on Jul 16, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
Very good but not elite MMA boxer wants to face top 5 HW boxer
MMA fighters can be retarded
by C-Viggity on Jul 16, 2011 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
How to get a UFC title shot: By Nick Diaz
Step one: Become SF champ
Step two: Start talking about becoming a boxer
Step three: Sign with the UFC and get immediate title shot
Step four: ????
Step five: PROFIT
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by RolloTomasi on Jul 16, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
puji money!!!
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by the-gentle-way on Jul 16, 2011 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't understand this
What the fuck is “elite MMA boxing”? Who has it at HW and why would Reem(K-1 WGP champ) have it?
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Seems like a bargaining tactic
Body Triangle supports this.
I take overeem by ground and pound late in round 1
by Afrotikiman on Jul 16, 2011 11:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Is NO ONE excited about the prospect of Overeem vs. Klitschko? Y’all are crazy!
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by Fraser Coffeen on Jul 16, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Boxing match between a top MMA guy, pro record 0-0, against Vitali Klitschko, 42-2 (39KO’s) and a world champion since 2003, and you think people are crazy for not wanting to imagine it, let alone watch it? Funny how MMA fans berate boxers for thinking they can just cross over to MMA, but seem to think the rules don’t apply in reverse!
by sheikybaby on Jul 16, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Well, here’s the thing, I would never berate a boxer for wanting to fight MMA, for the simple reason that I love the entertainment aspect of this sport, and I find weird fights like this highly compelling. Do I think Reem would have much of a chance? Not really (though I would have said the same thing in 2008 about him facing Badr Hari, so…), but I don’t need a fight to be super evenly matched to find it compelling. I’m also excited to see James Toney vs. Ken Shamrock and I loved the Super Hulk tournament, what can I say?
That said, yes, boxers coming over to MMA is a bit less appealing simply because the rules make it so that you know how those fights will go – MMA guy gets boxer down, boxer has no ground skill, boxer is pounded/subbed. That’s Couture vs. Toney, Mercer vs. Kimbo, Renzo vs. James Warring, etc, etc. Yes boxers have a puncher’s chance, just ask Tim Sylvia, but the rules make it so that the path to defeating them is laid out very clearly. We haven’t seen much MMA to boxing crossover, and I’d like to see it.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Jul 16, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said! I’ve always enjoyed the K-1 / MMA crossover matches, as well Super Hulk and everything like that. So why not take it a step further and throw some guys into the boxing ring as well? You’ll typically have a pretty good idea of what’s going to happen, but it’s fun anyway to see how it plays out. And there’s always the chance of upsets like Aoki getting KTFO’d by cosplay flying knee, or Mercer blasting Sylvia. What’s not to like?
by Horselover Fat on Jul 16, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the reason to post this gif
Yes boxers have a puncher’s chance, just ask Tim Sylvia,
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by RolloTomasi on Jul 16, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Tim Sylvia vs Andrei Arlovski III
widely considered one of the worst heavyweight title fights in the history of anything ever
Yeah, Sylvia/Arlovski 3 was a 5 round snoozer with Arlovski starting with a solid game plan, then completely freezing up and letting Big Tim decision his way to victory.
Also on that card:
Tito Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock 2
Frank Mir vs. Dan Christison
That was a BAD show. Only Yves Edwards bleeding buckets saved it.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Jul 16, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I am insanely excited if it were ever to be serious. Would Vitali even accept it? Its a lose lose for him
Only in the 1 in a million chance he loses
Otherwise, there’s really no one for him to fight so why not.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Anyone wonder
if the money was right, maybe the Klitschko bro’s could be convinced to fight?
I guess the only problem is that people don’t like watching Wlad that much, and probably wouldn’t pay out the ass to see him fight anyone, even if it was his brother.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 16, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt they'd ever fight
They’ve posed naked together. A fight would make that kinda…. gay.
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by TheFilt on Jul 16, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 16, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy shit they did!!!
http://blueollie.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/wladimirvitaliklitschko05.jpg
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I'm going to print out that picture,
fold it up, stick it in my wallet… just in case I ever come across one of the Klitschko bro’s, so that I can ask them
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 16, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You know how I know you're gay?
You have two naked dudes in your wallet!!!
You stepped right into that one Elliot. ;P
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by RolloTomasi on Jul 16, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Its like the opposite of a boobie trap
For one, you set yourself up. And two, it only involves balls not boobies.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
...
it only involves balls not boobies.
The Horror……..the Horror
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by RolloTomasi on Jul 16, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dude
I’m going to print out that picture, fold it up, stick it in my wallet…
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Talk about going for the low hanging fruit...
[ I’ve got your low hanging fruit right here! ]
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 16, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It was like a 68 mile per hour "fastball"
gotta take a swing at that.
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Bummer about there being no "delete" button
Can’t unring that bell.
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by Scabby Knuckle on Jul 16, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I regret nothing
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 16, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Good man. Stand up for your beliefs.
.....
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by Scabby Knuckle on Jul 16, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
A knockout by Overeem would be sweet.
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by MaZZacare on Jul 16, 2011 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
he should do it
he would get busted up for 12 rounds might not even make it to the end of the fight. overeem punches are strong but does he know where to put them when he can’t clinch and throw knees. he will have to get around the power jab. he will gas and he can’t get any takedowns or cage press for breaks. mwhahahahah book it
fuck it
it’d be the first time heavyweight boxing has interested me in nearly a decade.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 16, 2011 2:40 PM EDT reply actions
There's no thai clinch in K-1, either.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 16, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
boxing cardio?
going 12 rounds boxing is nowhere near as tiring as going 5 rounds in mma against a power wrestler double legging you and rag dolling you around the ring while you use all your muscle to scramble over and over while getting kicked, elbowed, gnp and punched by little ass gloves. You cant just dance around the ring just throughing punches and when you get tired you start hugging its laughable.
Well, the clinch in boxing can be tiring as well.
You’re right though- grappling is largely anaerobic (especially the wrestling phase) and isometric, which are both much less sustainable than the more aerobic boxing.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 16, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Anything involving movement can never be isometric
which just means a stationary contraction and that really has nothing to do with it. However, anaerobic vs aerobic respiration does.
It is completely different for each person depending on genetics, conditioning and the sway you choose to grapple or box.
A powerful wrestler will use more anaerobic respiration, but our body only runs on that fuel system for a very short amount of time so he still uses aerobic respiration too. In the same way, a power puncher will use more anaerobic respiration than an outside fighter. Obviously, any activity longer than 1 minute is going to need aerobic respiration.
Its like comparing a sprinter to a marathon runner. Both are styles of running, but they are vastly different.
Anaerobic is harder to sustain because it is not meant to be sustained. You can increase muscular endurance and gain an increased resistance to lactic acid build up, but you never really ‘sustain’ anaerobic respiration.
Grappling, and fighting in general, it has more to with muscular endurance, recovery, and most importantly neuromuscular. The body learns how which motor units to recruit, how much to recruit and how to contract them.
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Isometric
was referring to the positions where you have to squeeze and hold. Choke holds and different joint locks, locking down guard, holding wrist control or over/ under hooks, etc.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 16, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Almost isometric
but just moving the joint at all is isotonic.
I get what you’re saying though. Just wanted to give you a bit more info, cause you’re interested in that sorta thing.
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Isotonic, huh?
Interesting. So things like holding a choke/ lock would be considered isotonic. Didn’t know that, and yes- I am interested in that sorta thing!
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 16, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Technically it can be both
Isometric is a contraction that doesn’t change length and angle of a joint. The strength of the contraction may very.
Isometric is a contraction that changes in length and angle, but not in strength.
So if you were positioning or cranking a RNC it would be isometric. If you wanted to simply hold that exact position(length and angle) it would be become isometric. But the joint angle and contraction length would have to remain constant, which is difficult with two moving bodies.
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So if you were positioning or cranking a RNC it would be isotonic.
Really, the big thing is, if you have to tweak the hold at all, it is no longer isometric.
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Gotcha,
thanks for the knowledge bud.
Bonus question here- you’re saying Isotonic can move around, but doesn’t change in strength? What is it called when you use varying force, but also change angle/ length?
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 18, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Auxotonic, although most frequently people refer to increasing rather than simply varying loads when they use the word.
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by The American Ronin on Jul 19, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Hahahahaha
This would be as one sided as Toney vs Couture. You need good head movement to beat Vitali which Reem has never demonstrated. He would march right forward getting peppered with quick combo’s he’s never seen before and wouldn’t stand a chance. Sorry to say but people who think otherwise are deluded.
On the whole though I’m disappointed in him, he had a good chance to demonstrate he’s a top MMA fighter like many have claimed, and he’s seemingly made an excuse to duck out of the Grand Prix following a very lacklustre performance. Hope he realises he’s going to end up a complete non-entity in the history of MMA, whereas if he’d succeeded in the Grand Prix he would have got fast-tracked to the big boys of the UFC and could have potentially become a legend.
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