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This past Saturday night saw what had been a fantastic weekend for boxing come to a very disappointing end as Paul Williams was awarded a majority decision win in a bout that most felt he was clearly dominated in. Erislandy Lara was able to land the heavier blows throughout the bout and appeared to have earned a clear win before the judges turned in scores of 114-114, 115-114 Williams and 116-114 Williams. The immediate reaction was one of shock for the live New Jersey crowd, HBO broadcast team as well as boxing writers and fans.

In the immediate aftermath of the bout, Scott Christ of Bad Left Hook wrote:

In the main event, Erislandy Lara beat up, battered, bloodied, broke down, and busted Paul Williams over 12 rounds, clearly out-fighting Williams and obviously winning the fight. I mean obviously winning the fight. I mean obviously winning the fight.

Instead, we got Lara losing on scores of 115-114, 116-114 and 114-114. "What you see is what you get," said Williams ("40-2", 27 KO). That's a lie. A pure lie. We saw Paul Williams lose tonight. What we got was three inexperienced judges giving Paul Williams the nod in a complete farce that perfectly explains the single biggest problem in boxing today: These judges have no accountability and they're either incompetent or on the take. It's one of the two. It really is one of the two, period. Either this stuff is being completely corrupted, or the judges assigned to the fights should not be there.

Even though I was not assigned to work the bout for any site, the result struck me as so unjust that I contacted the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board wanting to know what their procedures are in the case of decisions that are almost universally considered to be horrible. I was told that Athletic Control Board commissioner Aaron Davis would be meeting with the judges and reviewing the fight round-by-round with them.

It was as close to an admission that the commission felt that the scoring was wrong as one was likely to get in the immediate aftermath of a major fight. Yesterday it was announced that after meeting with the judges all three would be suspended.

The Ring with the details:

After conducting a full review of the controversial scoring, the NJSACB concluded that there was "no evidence of bias, fraud, corruption or incapacity on the part of any of the judges," and therefore, the government agency is not authorized to invalidate the decision or mandate a rematch, although the commissioners believe a return bout is warranted.

However, the NJSACB was "unsatisfied with the scoring of the contest, even after hearing the explanations from the judges." Thus all three were placed on indefinite suspension and "required to undergo additional training prior to their return to professional boxing."

I'm fully on board with the thinking of Scott Christ that Lara deserved the win and everyone should treat it as a W for him. And there really is no need for a rematch unless Lara and his people decide they want it. Everyone knows who won the fight, he shouldn't have to go through it again.

The takeaway here for MMA fans is a continued recognition of New Jersey as one of the best, if not the best, commission in the combat sports game. There was never any real chance of the decision getting overturned due to the precedence that such an action would set, judges are there to render scores based on how they see the fight so the results have to stand. But when it's clear that they aren't able to ably do the job the commission should step in and take action to prevent it from happening again.

There was the built in excuse of "aggression earning Williams the narrow win" given that he threw 1,047 punches to Lara's 530. That would ignore the fact that Lara actually outlanded Williams 224-200. The commission was "unsatisfied" enough to suspend even the judge that saw the fight a draw. That is an aggressive and impressive show of their disappointment on how things went down.

With the amount of boxing and MMA events held in the state, fans should take comfort knowing that the NJSACB is doing their best to improve at every opportunity.

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Oh so the only shitty decisions that count are the boxing ones.

ugh.

But yeah that decision was one of the more ridiculous ones I’ve ever seen.

by Rob Young on Jul 14, 2011 12:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

The main event was good

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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait wrong fight I watched the one on ESPN

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by doonerthesooner on Jul 14, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Judges can be suspended?!?

How has this not happened in mma yet? Then again we probably wouldn’t have any judges if we suspended every dumbass judge.

by av1o3 on Jul 14, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

yup :D

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by maMMAl on Jul 14, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The big thing is the # of rounds and the fact that many of our “bad decisions” are still relatively close. 2-1 scored for fighter a rather than fighter b isn’t as hard to understand than a fight that should have been 8 rounds to 4 which is then scored for the wrong guy 7 rounds to 5

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 14, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s better than nothing. At least NJSACB is telling the judges that there is a potential punishment for judging incompetence.

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by bcpjkell on Jul 14, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is great news!

The Devon Alexander vs Lucas Mathysse fight was also a BAD decision. A hometown gift, I hate that shit! Big ups to everyone (except RoyacistJonesJr) at HBO Boxing for treating it as the bad judge job that it was.

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by xFenixKnightx on Jul 14, 2011 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

(except RoyacistJonesJr)

Don’t stretch too much, you might pull something.

I could count count on Kyle Maynard's hands the total number of women I've ever been with...

"Yes, you're right. I only pick on women, that's why I'm picking on you two jerks right now. YOU HAVE A VAGINA! YOU HAVE A VAGINA! Nice fohawk you HOMO!" -CM Punk

by Fake Emcee on Jul 14, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

His commentary (which sucks) is totally biased its not even funny.

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by xFenixKnightx on Jul 14, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just bustin balls.

Really I’ve had no problem ever listening to him, but then again like most people I don’t know shit about boxing.

I could count count on Kyle Maynard's hands the total number of women I've ever been with...

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by Fake Emcee on Jul 14, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was never any real chance of the decision getting overturned due to the precedence that such an action would set, judges are there to render scores based on how they see the fight so the results have to stand.

While I agree with this, I think suspending the judges will have a better effect on future outcomes than overturning the results would have.

For the first time (first I am are aware of at least), judges have been given fair warning that they might truly be held accountable for doing their job poorly.

I see nothing but good coming from this, and I salute the NJSAC for acting as it did…

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by The American Ronin on Jul 14, 2011 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I think this time

It was an obvious work and the commission had to take a stand.

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by TheFilt on Jul 14, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haven't seen it myself,

was it as bad as it sounds? Is there any remotely plausible or arguable way for them to have scored it like they did?

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by The American Ronin on Jul 14, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haven't seen it either

But I’ve read everywhere how obvious the win was for Lara.

I’ll watch it right now.

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by TheFilt on Jul 14, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few rounds in

And Lara is clearly tagging Williams cleaner and more often.

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by TheFilt on Jul 14, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a chance. You could give maybe rounds 3 and 4 to PWill if you were being generous, but otherwise Lara won every other round and probably those ones, too. PWill was eating overhand left after overhand left.

by NoHo on Jul 14, 2011 1:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly

Either that or a clean 1-2. Over and over and over.

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by TheFilt on Jul 14, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I don't understand about what little of the fight that I saw

and maybe this is just a testament to Williams entire career (or Bradley as pdl likes to call him), but how is it that Williams can have such a distince height and reach advantage and still seems like he’s the one reaching with his punches? This guy needs to change up his entire camp, cause fighting like he’s the size of Gary Coleman ain’t working for him no more.

I could count count on Kyle Maynard's hands the total number of women I've ever been with...

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by Fake Emcee on Jul 14, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drunk pdl is a fucking racist!

…or their names are just so bland and American that it all blurs together. Nah, actually, dude is probably a racist.

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by pdl on Jul 14, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

They do sound like they have default names

provided for created characters in a video game.

I could count count on Kyle Maynard's hands the total number of women I've ever been with...

"Yes, you're right. I only pick on women, that's why I'm picking on you two jerks right now. YOU HAVE A VAGINA! YOU HAVE A VAGINA! Nice fohawk you HOMO!" -CM Punk

by Fake Emcee on Jul 14, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

78" reach,

fighting on the inside.

He’s had success with it, but we saw twice in a row now that he really can’t hang inside against an aggressive fighter. Both were lefties, too.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Jul 14, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should add

Lara is an amateur world champ with 300 fights.

He always looks like he’s not really trying. The guy knows exactly where to be and when to be there. He uses his reach perfectly, too.

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by TheFilt on Jul 14, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Fuck you, you dirty motherfuckers.

They were paid off. No doubt about it.

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by TheFilt on Jul 14, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I wished these guys would be prosecuted. Playing with the decision for a combat Sport is ridiculous!

by p123 on Jul 14, 2011 1:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

For real. Combat sports is so hard we dont need idiots making it harder!

by p123 on Jul 14, 2011 1:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’d like to see it on my TV, but i guess it would look good drawn on paper too.

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by bcpjkell on Jul 14, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This made me smirk, no lol but a solid enjoyable smirk :)

by DCJon. on Jul 14, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watching your evolution in this thread

from backhand information, to outright firsthand outrage has been rather amusing.

I could count count on Kyle Maynard's hands the total number of women I've ever been with...

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by Fake Emcee on Jul 14, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

as I said on BHL

baby steps. Really, they should have done more, but this is certainly a step in the right direction

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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 14, 2011 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope some MMA judges lose sleep over this.

by Rufford on Jul 14, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I usually frown upon fist pumping.

But this time, its merited.

fist pumps

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by xFenixKnightx on Jul 14, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude fist pumping has allowed white men to dance for ages! Come on bro!

by p123 on Jul 14, 2011 1:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

that goldberg quote

never comes close to getting old.

and i’m with you on the usual withering glare at fist pump but quite warranted here. i join thee.

by Franklin Goodish on Jul 14, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

My fav Goldyism of all time.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

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by xFenixKnightx on Jul 14, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

What fight is it from?

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by Chris Hall on Jul 14, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

New Jersey is the apex of ACs

Nick Lembo and the NJ crew have their shit together.

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by Dallas Winston on Jul 14, 2011 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Which is weird

because it’s New Jersey.

by av1o3 on Jul 14, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except

for that whole letting Nate fight Dan Miler with elevated T thing.

by Mandmeisterx on Jul 14, 2011 1:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nate didn’t have elevated T when he fought in NJ, that came afterwards, during their follow-up testing, prior to final approval of his TUE for TRT.

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by The American Ronin on Jul 14, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ronin,

If your levels falls within the normal range, do you even need a TUE to begin with?

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by TheFilt on Jul 14, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you are on it, yes

Because if you pop on the frontline T:E ratio test, the follow-up test is to confirm the presence of synthetic testosterone, at which point you are busted (if positive) unless you have a TUE. As far as I know, no ACs routinely test actual testosterone levels, which can only be done via blood testing.

Now, are there guys who closely monitor their levels and make sure they don’t pop on the T:E test in the first place? A great many I suspect. Not to mention, Testosterone suspension (water based, used 1x – 2x daily) exits your system extremely quickly, meaning stop a week or so out in most cases and you are clear.

Hella painful shots I’m told, but small price to pay for those wanting to cheat.

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by The American Ronin on Jul 14, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, makes sense.

Thank you.

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by TheFilt on Jul 14, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

And

If you truly need it (i.e. have levels in the sub-250 ng/dl or so level), even a moderate injection (maybe 400mg) would cause you to pop on a T:E test (4:1 is typically the limit), even if you might still be within the high end of normal on overall levels.

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by The American Ronin on Jul 14, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just mean very careful cheaters

cough…Randy….cough

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by TheFilt on Jul 14, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is truly childsplay imo to cheat and get away with it,

when there is no out-of-competition testing (then it becomes more fun), if guys have any understanding at all of what they are doing.

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by The American Ronin on Jul 14, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good

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by MaZZacare on Jul 14, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Why can’t all AC’s do this? If your card makes no sense or even if its slightly questionable then you should be forced to review your scoring and explain yourself. If you don’t know what you’re talking about then you’re suspended and forced to do more training if you want to keep your job.

by Tats16 on Jul 14, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

This shows the advantage of one promoter having a large talent pool

While bad decisions happen from time to time in the UFC, they are corrected by the promoter. Jon Jones’ loss was never treated as such, Leonard Garcia never went up the ladder with his wins and Shogun was awarded an immediate rematch with The Dragon when he was the champion.

It’s perhaps my favourite aspect of the UFC: won-loss records aren’t the be all and end all and the promoter is quite willing to step up and clean the judges’ messes. Of course, better judging would also be appreciated…

by Wonderjudas on Jul 14, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

If the NJSACB really is one of the best commissions in the states, how come they had three incompetent judges in a fairly high profile fight (or so I’m told)? Props to them for suspending these guys after the fact, but shouldn’t they make sure their judges are qualified before the fights?

by Shnak on Jul 14, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

They have one of the most rigorous qualifying and training programs out there

http://thegarv.com/Rapidfire-QA-with-New-Jersey-s-Nick-Lembo-on-Judging-in-MMA.html

Could you briefly describe the process by which someone becomes a judge for the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board?

"You have to have some background in jiu-jitsu, wrestling, judo and/or muay thai. Then, you have to attend a seminar. At the end of that seminar, you have to score rounds of past fights that I have selected on DVD. You start as a shadow inspector in our amateur program. Then, you work your way up to a chance at being a shadow judge. As a shadow judge, you score as the fourth judge at amateur shows, your scores are collected but they don’t count. Then, if your scores are good and after shadowing for a while, you will get a shot as an actual amateur judge. From there, you score bouts for years and may work your way into the pro ranks."

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by Dallas Winston on Jul 14, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty damn rigerous, which

sad to say makes the really bad results seem all the more shady…

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by The American Ronin on Jul 14, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm watching the fight

No one is that incompetent.

Paul got his Leonard Garcia on for 12 rounds. A few times he was clearly hurt. Lara was jobbed.

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by TheFilt on Jul 14, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly sounds like it, thanks

There are so many that make me wonder. Personally, I respect when the few guys come out and defend their stupid decisions, even when it makes them look bad (leg kicks?).

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by The American Ronin on Jul 14, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

If you suck at judging, be proud of it.

Not explaining why makes you look like a crook.

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by TheFilt on Jul 14, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sad part is

Leonard only needed to beat invisible ninjas up for three rounds to get some of his decisions, Paul had to do it for 12.

Watching it live, I have to say it was by and far one of if not the biggest robbery I’ve ever seen. In no way can it be deemed close, nor can anyone deem more than from what I saw 2 rounds even near a winning round for Williams.

by buzz_killr on Jul 14, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's how I know it was fixed

That fight was 12-0. Maybe 10-8, but that’s bit of a stretch.

Nobody could truly believe Williams won 7 rounds.

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by TheFilt on Jul 14, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

My fav was the judge

who literally said “Don’t let it go to the judges”

Essentially saying

We know we’re incompetent, you don’t want us in control of your career, do you? DO YOU???

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by Chris Hall on Jul 14, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember that

That’s like a firefighter saying “If you’re in a fire, don’t expect me to save you.”

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Jul 14, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

You know what, chris81203? You confuse and infuriate me. - James Brady (Ninjames)

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by Chris Hall on Jul 14, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, sure.

But these judges, did they ever turn in bad or questionable cards before? They can’t have magically become incompetent judges overnight, can they?

by Shnak on Jul 14, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda

Hilton Whitaker III scored Zab Judah – Lucas Matthysse for Judah. Most observers had Matthysse winning the fight close; this was a bad decision, but the fight was close enough that it wasn’t a complete robbery.

Al Bennett scored Glen Johnson – Clinton Woods I for Woods, which led to a draw in a fight that Johnson won so clearly, Woods’ promoters offered to pay Johnson’s expenses, saying “A Champion should not have to pay for this stuff.”

It’s not so much that all three were bad judges, but more that all three had little to no experience judging major fights (Bennett probably had the most), and thus were largely unknown quantities. And yet, in a state like NJ that has a ton of qualified, experienced judges, we ended up with a panel of three unknown judges for a major fight.

by Verklemptomaniac on Jul 14, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s all fine and dandy, but they still used a guy who has scored less than 30 fights.

by Mike Fagan on Jul 14, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

They did a bad job of selecting officials but I would venture a guess they were trying to spread around world title work given that they have 2 more major events coming up in October.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 14, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Selecting officials shouldn't be a crapshoot...

…even with less experienced officials.

My g/f watched that fight with me…..she had Lara winning the fight and she’s watched less than 5 boxing matches. I mean, no matter how (in)experienced these judges are, they’re still supposed to be professionals.

No sir, I don't like it.

by OmoPlata on Jul 14, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

see my comment below

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 14, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice to see some accountability.

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jul 14, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Where's the justice for Dave Tiberi?!

Seriously though, this is good to see. Terrible that we have to ever get to this point, but good to know there is a willingness to act on the part of the commission.

by Brent Ducharme on Jul 14, 2011 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Oy, Dave Tiberi

The standard by which robberies are judged. It came out after the fight that two of the three judges weren’t even licensed in the state of NJ.

by Verklemptomaniac on Jul 14, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW!!! Great NEWS!!

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by VeeisAnimated on Jul 14, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

While New Jersey should be commended for holding the judges accountable, let’s not forget just who appointed those judges. Two of them had no meaningful experience in a big fight (one of them had less than 30 bouts) and the other had a couple of weird scores in the past. Info from here, here, and here.

by Mike Fagan on Jul 14, 2011 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

There you go. Thank you. That was exactly my point a few posts up… if they are such a great commission, how come these bozos were judging that fight? It’s not like they magically became incompetent overnight…

by Shnak on Jul 14, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel it's necessary to question the "shadow-judging" element

….I mean, if experienced judges frequently come up with cards that are unacceptable to the majority of the more educated fanbase, how can they be expected to not only train new judges, but to set the standard for competent judging?

Let’s say I’m a great judge, my cards agree with 90% of everybody else……but they don’t match up with the encumbent judges; in this scenario I would not meet the shadow-judging requirement. Ignorance begets ignorance.

No sir, I don't like it.

by OmoPlata on Jul 14, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comment from TheFilt that suffered from my typo-hide:

Yeah, this may be a case of NJ
Trying to get the egg off their face. Because this was a damn obvious fight to call.

by Mike Fagan on Jul 14, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said above. THey have 2 more major world title fights in the next few months.

Al Bennett does have a long career and has scored a LOT of meaningful bouts in his career. Malignaggi/Ngoudjo was a close fight and one that some in the media also scored wide for Malignaggi and some scored it wide for Ngoudjo. I can’t speak to Woods/Johnson 1 but picking 2 fights in his history which appear to be close fights as proof of anything is odd to me.

Whitaker scored Judah/Matthysse (a very close, very meaningful fight and he got it right), also scored Woods/Johnson 2 (another close fight he got right), he has scored Kermit Cintron fights, Pawel Wolak fights, Juan Diaz, Vince Phillips and actually has a lot of experience.

Givens has scored a few “decent name” fights but this was clearly his first major world title bout. But everyone has to have a first.

I don’t think the research was really done to act like these guys had no clue or experience.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 14, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now hold on just a second cause I'm a little confused,

now which UFC card was this fight on again?

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by Fake Emcee on Jul 14, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

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In addition to outlanding Williams 224-200 in total punches, Lara outlanded Williams 178-161 in power punches, landing 49%. Lara clearly landed the harder punches all fight. The junior middleweight average is 37% landed for power punches.

by compustrike on Jul 14, 2011 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

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by Chris Hall on Jul 14, 2011 3:20 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Big time Rec on that one

This is something that have been needed for quite some time. Hopefully it can be the start of there being some actual accountability for combat sports officials in the future. Not just in boxing, but also in MMA.
People often talk about the problems with the scoring system etc, but the real issue have always been that clearly incompetent officials are allowed to keep their jobs, year after year, and the commissions seemingly being more interested about protecting their own and pretending like there are no problems.

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by Igorstyle on Jul 14, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

swinebears should have been fired and made an example of. you lose an athlete their win bonus and you should lose your job

by taylormaio on Jul 14, 2011 3:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

willams is done he is to scared to fight as a bully now

he really doens’t know how to use his reach and outbox mwhahhaa he is done

by BIGNAT on Jul 14, 2011 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Holy shit!

Paul Williams won that fight? I watched rounds 3-10 and had to leave and forgot all about it. He was getting the shit kicked out of him haha. Lara hit him with an overhand left like 50 times solid.

You know what they say

by NEW-HAMPSHIRE on Jul 14, 2011 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

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