Dan Henderson Comments on Testosterone Replacement Therapy
by Mike Fagan on Jul 12, 2011 5:00 PM EDT
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Dan Henderson was the first fighter approved for testosterone replacement therapy in the state of Nevada (for his second fight with Wanderlei Silva at Pride 33). Henderson has remained silent on the issue, but he opened up for ESPN's Brett Okamaoto in light of the current news surrounding Nate Marquardt and Chael Sonnen.
"My levels were so low they were off the charts," Henderson told ESPN.com. "I was always tired and getting sick a lot.
"I couldn't even tell you [how to abuse it]. I've never gone above normal ranges. All I know is that I'm not as tired and I don't get as sick as I used to."
I'm confused about the "I couldn't even tell you how to abuse it" line. Drug abuse is a simple concept: You use a substance for a purpose it wasn't intended or you take a larger dose than prescribed or recommended. You abuse testosterone by...taking more than you should. There isn't some mysterious process one needs to follow.
Henderson also commented on the testing process:
Although he's not officially required to monitor his testosterone levels when not in competition, Henderson says he does to regularly as a precaution.
"I always do it on my own just to cover my own a--," Henderson said.
...
"The only time people get monitored now is at the fights," Henderson said. "I think it might be good to have stricter monitoring where people are getting tested throughout the year."
Random, out-of-competition testing is the only effective method to control drug use, whether it be regulating therapeutic use exemptions or curbing those pushing the edges. Nevada is resuming their program with new funding. We'll see if other states follow suit.
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"I couldn't even tell you how to abuse it"
Not much to be confused about, you just took the comment way to literal. He just means that he doesn’t pay attention to that part of MMA and he obviously doesn’t partake in it.
by DCJon. on Jul 12, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I agree
I’m sure he just meant that he has no personal knowledge of how to go about gaming the system as far as dosing, frequency, etc.
One thing not often mentioned in the TRT discussions is that the highest “on label” dosing the manufacturer includes is 400mg IM every 2 weeks (although I know of many knowledgeable doctors who prescribe a far more effective (lower obviously) every 5, 7 or 10 day dosing, to minimize swings in levels).
At this dosing, no one except those who truly are highly deficient would pop on a 4/1 T:1 threshold test, much less a 6/1.
Just saying…
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by The American Ronin on Jul 12, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Assuming he was telling the truth
about having had an injection within a couple of days of the test, it doesn’t necessarily mean anything one way or the other, although the fact that he put his dose as “one shot” or similar is a bit…odd imo…
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by The American Ronin on Jul 13, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Although he’s not officially required to monitor his testosterone levels when not in competition, Henderson says he does to regularly as a precaution.
“I always do it on my own just to cover my own a—,” Henderson said.
…
“The only time people get monitored now is at the fights,” Henderson said. “I think it might be good to have stricter monitoring where people are getting tested throughout the year.”
IMO this is absolutely the only way a TUE for TRT should be given (among other requirements, as WADA/USADA require for one) so that essentially sanctioned abuse can be prevented.
Of course, this does nothing about addressing the widespread use in all sports that do not do random, unscheduled, out-of-competition testing, but at least it legitimizes this one instance.
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by The American Ronin on Jul 12, 2011 5:13 PM EDT reply actions
I’m confused about the “I couldn’t even tell you how to abuse it” line.
Doctors are supposed to administer the drug to the patient. I think that’s what Dan was referring to, but I get the feel that he may be playing a little ignorant.
I don’t have a problem with TRT as long as the commissions test year round.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
I am so confused about this whole TRT thing
As a threshold issue I’m guessing you need to have really low levels of naturally produced t-stone to be approved.
It is some kind of a medical issue where some guys just all of a sudden stop producing t-stone naturally? Or is it just the issue of Hendo being an old guy (body doesn’t produce as much t-stone as you get older) who’s overtraining and that’s what’s causing the low levels?
There are reasons the body can stop producing testosterone
One is past steroid abuse. When a fighter uses steroids, their body reduces the testosterone it produces and this can continue after steroid use. This could be what happened to Marquardt and why he needed TRT.
Regular weight cutting can also lead to reduced testosterone. Many wrestlers in high school or college will have lower testosterone levels in their mid-late 30s to 40s as repeated weight cutting leads to the body producing less testosterone in the future.
But some people will just naturally start producing less testosterone. There does come a point when it becomes so low that it’s a health issue, from the sounds of it Hendo was past this point. Some people will have slightly lower testosterone and will medically be fine, but will take TRT to gain a slight advantage while technically not breaking any rules (IMO this is what Marquardt tried & failed).
Every male will produce less testosterone as they get older, but some people have the effects much earlier and much worse than others, past steroid abuse & frequent weight cutting are among the reasons why this can happen (there’s probably loads more I’m unaware of), but it does naturally happen to everyone.
by YPG on Jul 12, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Other causes include...
Drug & alcohol abuse, high levels of stress, obesity, medication, some surgeries etc. There’s a whole lot of cause for testosterone deficiency but the causes you mentioned above are the most likely when referring to professional athletes / fighters.
Thanks for this
I mean I guess I’m a bit concerned about the whole fairness about this. I mean if your t-stone deficiency is caused by old age and a lifetime of stresses you put on it due to training, shouldn’t that just be a time to retire?
But then again, I guess as long as it’s available to everyone and there are universal standards, then I guess it’s ok
by Darkknight95 on Jul 12, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Like MMA fighters
Get paid enough to retire in their early 30’s like most sportsmen?
I also think people don’t realise how often wrestlers had to cut weight in their careers. Fighters cut weight for a fight every 3 months on average. Wrestlers from high school through college and competing internationally could be cutting 10lbs + of weight every week for a season since they’d wrestle that frequently.
I would say Hendo has been in a position to easily retire for a few years now
what with all his big money fights, the Clinch Gear brand, and the gym in Temecula.
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Sometimes it does just happen
Listen to the first 15 minutes of this episode of This American Life.
Life without testosterone sounds scary as hell.
Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.
Yeah, when he said 'I couldn't even tell you how to abuse it'
Clearly it means that he takes his own TRT seriously. He isn’t doing it to be better or stronger, he was getting sick and his sh!t was so low that it was off charts…so he does it because he seems to genuinely need to.
He probably has a good doctor and all sorts of things that make sure everything is done by the books…he probably follows what his doctors advise to the T as far as his TRT goes.
So he isn’t saying he literally has no idea how you might abuse it…obviously you could have a crooked doctor manipulate the treatments and all sorts of things…but clearly he doesn’t have any part of it.
It’s not like he is playing dumb and saying ‘I have no idea what it means to abuse TRT’
I think he is just implying that the way his own doctor conducts his TRT is so professional and etc that he personally wouldn’t know how to go about finding a way to abuse it. But clearly some guys have some less then reputable ‘doctors’ and etc.
Georges St-Pierre vs. Anderson Silva
While I realize that testosterone levels vary dramatically for each individual, I believe as though its hard to condone its use among 25-30 year old peak athletes. I feel like Henderson, who is past age 40, may legitimately require the use of TRT to keep a normal healthy testosterone level. It is a confusing tricky situation overall and the bounds between normal treatment and abuse seem tricky at best.
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True
The ACs need to adopt the protocols that WADA/USADA use to approve TRT, which require a legitimate diagnosis, with the etiology (underlying cause) determined.
They also require trying to stimulate production with hCG (also used coming off a cycle) to try to eliminate cases of Low-T caused by previous steroid use/abuse.
Their steps, properly followed, essentially limit the TUE to those truly with a medical need.
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by The American Ronin on Jul 12, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Would anyone care to call Dan Henderson a dirty, filthy cheater?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 12, 2011 5:17 PM EDT reply actions
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by andrew861 on Jul 12, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Maybe he legitimately needs it now...
But maybe it’s due to his old wrestling days
by Afrotikiman on Jul 12, 2011 5:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You may have a point. I’m not sure if cutting massive amounts of weight during your pubescent years causes low testosterone levels, but I sure as hell wouldn’t be surprised if it did.
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Well, unlike many of the other fighters
Dan Henderson, who’s been using the treatment to commission’s standards for more than four years.and
was the first athlete to ever receive a therapeutic exemption for TRT in Nevada — prior to a fight against Wanderlei Silva in 2007. Since then, he’s received exemptions in multiple states.So unless, I am confused about the definition, following the rules and getting clearance doesn’t seem like cheating.
He is dirty, though.
he's not a cheater
But if steroid use is generally prohibited, I think he needs to retire. If you NEED steroids to compete, and can’t compete without them, its time to hang it up. It is performance enhancing even if he just has “normal” levels; to go from not being able to compete at all to competing at a very high level is the biggest performance enhancement there is.
I’m for doctor approved/supervised cycles for athletes, but if we’re gonna say steroids are illegal then I don’t think there should be a way to use them with the AC’s blessing. If you need testosterone to compete… guess what, you can’t (or at least shouldn’t) compete.
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by The Lethal Haze on Jul 12, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you know what the definition for cheater is?
Cheating or cheater refers to the breaking of rules to gain advantage in a competitive situation.
So yeah, he is a cheater, as are most mma fighters that use expensive masking agents and pay guys from foot ball to help them develop a cycle.
Under the current testing programs,
cheating is child’s play for the knowledgeable and connected, but I am curious as to what “expensive masking agents” you think there are that are routinely used is testing for sports?
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by The American Ronin on Jul 12, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
he's not a cheater
There are rules that ban taking testosterone.
He is on testosterone replacement therapy.
He got a Therapudic Use Exemption from the NSAC regarding his TRT.
He is using testosterone, but, he is not breaking the rules. So, by the strict sense of the word, he is not a cheater.
Now, do I think its cool that he got a TUE? No, I think that if steroids are banned then there should be no exemptions. If you need steroids to compete, then its time to retire and find something else to do for money.
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by The Lethal Haze on Jul 12, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
What rule is Dan Henderson breaking?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 12, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are you confused?
What he means by “I couldn’t tell you how to abuse it,” is… he couldn’t tell you how to abuse testosterone. Sure, you gave a fine definition of drug abuse. But Dan didn’t say, “I don’t know the definition of drug abuse.” He said he doesn’t know how to abuse testosterone. In other words, he’s never even considered taking more than his doctor recommended. He wouldn’t even know how much to take, how much would be safe to take, etc. He’s never looked into using it for a PE effect, in other words.
by Jsndvs79 on Jul 12, 2011 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That's how TRT should be used
for people with low levels to be able to get it to a normal level, not levels so high that it would be impossible for humans to make naturally.
by av1o3 on Jul 12, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I was totally with Fagan
not knowing what Dan meant by that and you folks make me feel like an idiot.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Higher chances than someone like Nate or Chael
considering Henderson is fairly old, especially for an athlete.
C'mon Dan!
I guess you only read the first half of the article regarding testosterone. I mean if you are deficient in anything and a doctor recommends a treatment are you not going to read all about it? I guess he read the first paragraph and then stopped reading once the article began describing the “benefits” of taking large amounts of testosterone. Once again, c’mon Dan.
Not sure what you're saying
Dan is using TRT properly and not abusing it like Chael or Marquardt.
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic when he said he said he doesn’t even know how to abuse it.
That is so stupid
What a completely misinformed statement.
How do you know Chael and Nate abuse it and Hendo doesn’t?
do you not understand they can use as much of it as they want during off time/training camps/recovering from injures
do you not understand testosterone deficiency later in life for athletes is almost always because of prolonged steroid use when they were younger?
Seriously?
You do know Nate and Chael got suspended for having abnormally high T levels right? Until Henderson gets caught for abusing TRT, you have no proof that he has or does.
The fact that he’s pushing for getting monitored when out of competition probably means he doesn’t.
LOL
What does that have to do with it being abused by everyone who uses it?
Chael got suspended for not being transparent.
Nate got suspended for abnormally high levels.
you understand where fights are won right?
the camp.
there is no monitors or athletic comish guys involved in the camps what so ever.
that means that one athlete can train 6-7 days a week and have his body not start to break down.
while his opponent can maybe do 4-5 days of serious training max.
it is going to be abused by everyone who uses it.
stop being naive.
Do you have proof everyone does it?
It’s stupid as fuck to accuse people without proof.
You do know Nevada is actually going to start randomly monitoring out of competition fighters right? So there goes that.
Everyone?
No, guys like Reem and GSP are using more traditional steroids to increase endurance and allow them to train everyday.
TRT isn’t even the best PED out there, it is just a open loop hole that athletes enjoy using, and why shouldn’t they, it is a loop hole.
and when they actually start monitoring the levels outside of the fight, instead of just talking about it.
then you can bring that up.
BTW, Dan Henderson would be the worst guy to meet in a street fight
At least, that’s my opinion. Olympic Greco-Roman wrestling coupled with a decapitating right hand.
by Darkknight95 on Jul 12, 2011 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Not to mention you can't tap him in a street fight.
“Look I just tapped Hendo in a bar brawl!”
“So what? He’s getting back up and is about to H bomb your ass.”
“Well shit.”
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by RolloTomasi on Jul 12, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well in a "real" life or death fight you don't tap someone, you break their arm or choke them into a coma
Not afraid to nitpick
Exactly my point
a broken arm isn’t gonna stop Dan,
and even if you choke him out he’ll be back up in 30 seconds trying to kill you.
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Paul Harris terrifies me more. I hate leg submissions. Getting knocked unconscious > having your knee torn in 3-4 places.
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Hendo put a good beating on Paul Harris
so I’d be more frightened of Hendo.
A torn ACL is bad, no doubt, but I don’t want to eat through a straw for 6 months. Hendo will get your jaw wired shut.
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Yeah broken jaw would suck that is true.. and I can’t run away, he’d catch me for sure.
I guess I’d just curl up in a ball and hope he thinks I am dead.
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That only works will bears
tho I have my doubts about that too…
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Nope, Hendo knows to double tap
just look at what happened to Bisping in the gif below. He will make sure you won’t be able to get up.
Not only will Henderson knock you out
he’ll make sure you won’t talk shit about him ever again.
by av1o3 on Jul 12, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
Impossible
to keep Bisping from talking shit, but he quieted him down for a few months.
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True
but I don’t think he’s talked shit about Henderson after this happened.
Everyone could use a good ass kicking
And I mean EVERYONE, just to show you that there are tougher guys out there, and you can’t go around instigating people and thinking your shit don’t stink.
Some of us get our ass kickings early on in life from the neighborhood bully or our older brothers.
Guy like Bisping probably never got his ass kicked up until this moment.
by Darkknight95 on Jul 12, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Could watch this GIF everyday
It was the exact moment when Hendo became my favourite fighter.
by Soul.T.Nuts on Jul 12, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I always wait for the part where it looks like he kisses his fist and I get a stupid grin on my face.
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by DirtyML on Jul 12, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Ha! I never saw that before
now it’s all I’ll ever see.
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It's like what a priest does
Before touching you on the forehead as he reads you your last rites.
by Darkknight95 on Jul 12, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're an athlete
You’re not after that. I’ll take my KO and walk home.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
If he was being sarcastic, then ok.
But honestly, hard to believe a world class athlete has super super low T levels. Yes, after about 35 levels do decrease but not significantly. If since he was young, his body didn’t produce enough T, it is highly unlikely he would of succeeded as he has. You don’t just wake up one day and have super low T levels, it usually starts at puberty.
What's weird is...
Testosterone is the major impetus for aggression. How are so many people with a malfunctioning pituitary gland and malfunctioning testicles drawn to MMA instead of, say, diving or floor routines or board games? It doesn’t seem logical.
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Former steroid users
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by RolloTomasi on Jul 12, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Frost?
And no, I have never taken steroids but I’m just saying, when taken under supervision with proper PCT, steroids don’t have to destroy your natural production of testosterone.
Too bad
I wish a former (or current) steroid user posted here, I have so many questions…
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The son of a business partner of mine has low T. He has been to see many doctors.
He is not into anything physical. He likes girls but isn’t a physical kid. I’ve talked at length with his father who is an MMA fan. It’s laughable to talk about a a kid with low T getting into MMA.
by Fedornuthugger on Jul 12, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure why this is relevant but OK.
He likes girls
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Your correct. It doesn’t have to destroy your natural production. That usually comes from abuse (too many cycles too close, or too much at one time). There actually aren’t many bad side effects to taking one 6 week cycle a year. It also depends on the steriod. Some help you get cut like a race horse and some make your look like Big Pappa Pump. A body builder make want to take something that makes him big first and then later use a cutting steriod.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
Yep. 6 weeks is a bit short for a cycle though. I know a whole lot of people on the gear and the normal range is 8-10. Test C or E mixed with Deca for bulk followed by something like Winstrol or Tren for cutting. The Tren and Deca shut you down pretty much completely and require a lot of PCT to bring you back.
The main problems I see with all of my mates using the stuff is not the physical side effects, rather the mental aspects. It has to be one of, if not the most addictive thing you can do. They feel like superman for a few months and then go through what seems to be pretty bad depression afterwards. Again, most of those effects are for the guys who do the stuff far more than they should.
You are using a sterotype that MMA fighters are these “Alpha Male” guys. Alot of fighters view what they do as an art and enjoy the technical aspects of the sport….JUST BLEED
I can assure you nobody in my chess club likes combat sports!
by Fedornuthugger on Jul 12, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Your chess club is full of bitches.
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I'm assuming that people with low testosterone
aren’t interested in grueling physical practices and competitions because
1) they have lowered aggression and energy levels, and
2) most people wouldn’t even know they had a low testosterone issue unless they used to have normal testosterone… (I’m basically calling them cheaters)
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by Underhand Left on Jul 12, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
A person doesn’t need to be aggressive to want to compete, like I said before they view it as an art. So they try it, find it insanely tiring, make a comment to their Instructor or a well informed friend, get checked out and find out they have low testosterone, theyre put on a TRT and boom you have a fighter. (keep in mind I know this is highly unlikely I just am saying your generalization isn’t sound).
I seriously doubt that most people with naturally low testosterone for most of their lives
have any urge whatsoever to compete in MMA. Certainly not the inordinate percentage of MMA fighters who allegedly have naturally low testosterone. It’s not credible. The idea that MMA has a natural appeal to people with naturally low testosterone such that almost everyone in MMA is on TRT is such fucking bullshit as to make the fighters a laughingstock. What are we saying, that people with natural aggression and normal to high testosterone levels aren’t drawn to fighting? They’d rather play tennis?
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by Underhand Left on Jul 12, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Get real! Yeah, it's an art where you can get punched in the face!!
I don’t know how many fighters I would consider artists in the Renoir or Picasso manner.
by Fedornuthugger on Jul 12, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You don’t have to find MMA as a whole an art form but certain aspects (the grappling for example). Like I stated before I know it is highly unlikely I was just pointing out the generalization that people with low aggression wouldn’t be attracted to the sport isn’t a completely fair assumption.
I understand what you are saying but you are wrong!
Go to a bar or live event and you will notice a big difference between mma fans and football, basketball or baseball fans. I take my 6 year old daughter to all those events while I wouldn’t take her to an mma event and it’s not because she couldn’t appreciate the “art”. My wife and her friends will watch just about any sport but it’s hard to get them to watch mma.
by Fedornuthugger on Jul 13, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
So the whole team
is on TRT. I’m sick of hearing bs excuses of why they stick needles in their ass.
Funny isn't it
randomly, 4 guys all from the same camp, who all wrestled together.
all with the same ailment, very very strange roll eyes
Sonnen (Oregon), Henderson (Temecula)… Lindland?…
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Sonnen Hendo and Lindland and Couture were all from team quest i believe at one point
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I'm pretty sure
Henderson is at a different Team Quest.
by av1o3 on Jul 12, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep two different teams these days
but at one time they all trained together.
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Even Chael? I thought he came after Randy left?
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Chael has been @ team Quest since before it was even called team Quest
Randy has said many nice things about Chael’s workouts in the gym.
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Healthy TRT Levels = TRT Level of a Male Age ???
Does that mean that Hendo gets the levels of a young male with a serious health issue – young men that need the therapy? That’s something I’m always wondering about. I guess his levels are not in the normal region of a 40 year old.
Does anyone know more specifics about the TRT levels? Based on which age of an adult male are those levels established?
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Most clinics refer to the average testosterone levels for someone the same age as the subject. i.e. If Hendo was told he had low levels, it would normally mean low levels for a 40 year old.
They measure total test and free test. Total test for someone around 40 I think is roughly 600 nmol/L whereas a 25 year old would have an average of about 800 nmol/L. Any reputable clinic won’t prescribe test for anyone over 400 and if their levels are around 300 they try to get the subject to bring them back with natural methods… key word in that sentence is ‘reputable’.
thanks for the explanation
So commissions do follow the same guidelines?
"No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
That is something that I’m not too sure of. From the sounds of things, if the doctor says it’s needed, then the commission will allow it as long as the fighter tests within the range that they have defined as normal. Not the best system if that is the case because it’s not that hard to get a doctor to say you need TRT; the range that is considered average to low is fairly wide.
Ahh, I see.
Thanks for the lengthy explanation. That was always something not really explained in articles and what I was wondering about.
"No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
LOL "I couldn't even tell you how to abuse it"
Is an obvious over sell to cover abuse. Like figuring out to just inject more is too far a leap of understanding for Dan.
dan henderson is a national treasure and he can do whatever he wants as far as I’m concerned.
by nastyem on Jul 12, 2011 6:45 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Why?
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by cmons on Jul 12, 2011 8:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dan was training hard and competing
in the 80’s.
At his age and activity levels, it makes perfect sense that he would need TRT. He was completely forthright and obviously is following the guidelines.
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Hendo’s the reason i watch MMA…I saw him wrestle at the Cal State championships in 87-88, so when I found out he was in UFC 17, I was hooked.
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Seems MMA has been sliding towards allowing PEDs already. Maybe I’m moving towards that way of thinking if the regulations are done well.
I was always tired and getting sick a lot.
Me too. I call it “being 30.”
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jul 12, 2011 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah you should,
you might need some extra testosterone :P
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