Dana White Announces All UFC Main Events Will Be Five Rounds
by Mike Fagan on Jun 9, 2011 6:07 PM EDT
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There's a celebration going on in the Land of Fagan today. Both Kevin Iole and Brett Okamoto report via Twitter that UFC President Dana White announced that, going forward, all UFC main events will be scheduled for five rounds, regardless of whether a title is at stake. The policy will start following the Rashad Evans/Phil Davis main event at UFC 133, as bout agreements for that fight have already been signed.
There's been no word on whether this applies only PPV/numbered events, or if free TV shows will be headlined by five-rounders as well. [See below.]
I first championed this idea way back in February of 2009 in response to a piece over at Fightlinker. I laid out my reasons for supporting a push for more five-round fights in August of that year:
- More decisive finishes - From my previous post on the topic, I showed that - in a limited sample size - five round title fights are finished 77% of the time as compared to the MMA average of 67% for three round affairs. More fights avoiding the mysterious hands of the judges the better.
- Less importance per round - In a three round fight, each round makes up 33% of a judge's score card. A round in a five round bout is only worth 20%. For example, in the Caol Uno/Spencer Fisher fight at UFC 99, if you score the first two rounds (which were very close) to Fisher, Uno has to win a dominant 10-8 third just for a draw. With two additional rounds, Uno would have ample time to make up lost ground (if not finish his opponent).
- More quality at the top of the cards - I'm an extremist. The more five-round fights, the better. I understand that's a minority position, and unlikely to come to fruition in the event that NSAC opens the five-round door. That said, if the UFC utilizes the five round fight for all main and co-main events, that's potentially 20 additional minutes of high-level MMA. Who can argue with that?
The most prevalent argument I've heard against mandatory five-round fights atop of shows centered around the fear that more five-round fights would lead to fewer prelims fights being aired. While I've always found that a backward view (I would much rather see ten minutes of, say, Quinton Jackson and Lyoto Machida than a prelim fight between Kyle Kingsbury and Fabio Maldonado), the point is moot given the UFC's recent practice of broadcasting their entire prelim lineup on Facebook (and now Youtube) and Spike TV.
[UPDATE] MMA Weekly brings some quotes from Dana White:
"What I don't want to do to guys, fights that we've already made and they signed the bout agreement, you're mentally training for a 3 round fight. ‘Oh now it's 5 rounds', you can't do that to guys," White stated.
White was specific in stating all future bout agreements for main event non-title fights would be five round affairs.
"From this day forward as we speak right here, right now today, every fight that is a main event that is not a title fight will be a five round fight," said White. "For Spike and everything else."
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Fuck yeah it is.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that great
Just adds more time for the real problem to mess things up Judges. Think of how many 5 round fights have finished in the 4th or 5th round than think about that as a percentage of main events, not very significant. this skates around the real problem.
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What?
This has nothing to do with bad judging. This has to do with championship caliber fighters doing 5 round fights. Makes complete sense if you ask me.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You be happy with judging then
And not all UFC main events are championship caliber, some very far from it.
They should change he format of all fights to a system where if it is a decision it is an easy draw or victory score-wise, with an overtime round for the draw.
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I'm all for an extension round in the case of draws.
The vast majority of main events are 5- rounders, though. Use the TUF finale for example; Pettis has already fought and won a 5- rounder, and Guida is perfect for 5 round fights.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
They should honestly leave judging up to Fight Metric. It has been proven to be way superior than judges. Why not? Why can’t we?
by p123 on Jun 9, 2011 8:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
,,
All this can do is improve that situation, I’m not sure what your issue is.
Judging is bad often, this gives fights an opportunity to finish in the 4th or 5th instead of going to judges.
It’s difficult for UFC to do anything about judging, this is a step in the right direction and is something they can do.
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Uh…of the 37 5-round fights that have gone past the 3rd round, 9 have been finished. Which is, like, significant.
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2/3rds of all UFC fights have happened in the last 6 years. in that time 3 out of 56 title fights finished in the 4th or 5th, or almost 1 out of 20. doesn’t really jump out.
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I don’t think it will affect Carwin in the slightest. Guy hasn’t even seen a third round yet, let alone a 4th or 5th.
Well, that's true.
He didn’t see a third round with Lesnar, because he blew his wad, and tapped. He doesn’t need to worry about 4th or 5th rounds I guess because he’s a first round fighter. Either he gets the knock out in the first, or he’ll end up gassing and tapping in the second.
his cardio was undeniably his worst enemy that night.
i hope his new diet and training can help him remedy that, even if it’s only to a degree.
by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 9, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
this is monty python logic
please have more than one sample before trying to state something as a universal truth. you can not assume that his second round performance is bad because you’ve only seen him in the second round once.
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by exsanguinator on Jun 10, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
we shall see.bj has a stoppage in the 5th
There is no reason to Carwin him out.
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 9, 2011 6:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
BJ did that at lightweight.
We all saw what happened to him when he fought Fitch in the third. Imagine if there were two rounds left.
Fitch would have taken him down and played patty cake with his face to win a decision.
I’d rather just climb this fridge
by Riley_96 on Jun 9, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That's dumb
It was because he was fighting Fitch who is significantly larger than anyone BJ has fought.
BJ at welterweight is the same as BJ at lightweight, just no weight cut.
He gassed against GSP too,
and Matt Hughes their second fight. Either he gets the knock out in the first like Carwin, or he’s in trouble.
GSP is as big as Fitch
He busted a rib during the second Hughes fight.
Just like it screwed Silva? Oh that's right, he won.
He fought through it. And stop with the damn excuses. The fact is, he’s lost 2 out of three welter weight fights since he’s been back in the UFC, and they’re all due to him gassing.Everyone will be big compared to him.
GSP beat the shit out of him, had nothing to do with gas tank. BJ could have been in good enough shape to run past the bikers in the Tour De France it still would not have stopped him from getting his face punched in.
I’d rather just climb this fridge
I think BJ being tired may have had something to do with the ease GSP laid down the asswhuppin.
Greasing the back up to nullify High Guard didn’t hurt either.
Please see BJ/GSP 1 for an example of what happens when you don’t tire Bj out before engaging him.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
The grease didn’t have nothing to do with that fight. BJ just was not good enough to hang with George.
I’d rather just climb this fridge
yeah ....greasing would never effect grappling?
Why is it illegal?
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 9, 2011 6:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yes because he put tons of it on his back. This is a tired argument, but he was wiped down (which does not get rid of every trace of it but at the time best they could do). Also if the vas is such a problem it should not be placed any where on the fighters body because as soon as a fighter sprawls and puts his face on the others back the vas is now on the fighters body.
I’d rather just climb this fridge
in pride vasaline was illegal period
If Bj would have done that to gsp Canada would have rioted.
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 9, 2011 7:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bad example dude, up here we riot when the hockey team we cheered for wins.
I’d rather just climb this fridge
by Riley_96 on Jun 9, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
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" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 9, 2011 7:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For a man who claims to be an expert in grappling, you're not showing it
The grease had nothing to do with it. Nurse was rubbing the middle of his back. BJ’s legs were sliding off GSP’s lats. Watch the tape.
Shotokanman, the high guard could never, EVER work on a guy with GSP’s torso shape. How much downwards force could you possibly generate on a V-shape?
Whole body greasing could affect a grappling match. What happened at UFC 94 could not.
by paythefighters on Jun 10, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You'll have to refresh my memory where I claimed to be an expert of anything chum.
Could NEVER EVER WORK.
Except for the first time they fought. Seemed to work pretty damn good then, or did you forget about that?
I guess GSP just radically changed his torso shape along with his skills by the second fight?
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Note that I replied to “the gentle-way”. The part addressed to you comes later.
Umm, it didn’t work at all in the first fight either. What are you talking about?
Look at what BJ is trying to do at UFC 94. His legs slide down because he is trying to push GSP down his body by squeezing with his thighs. Some people can climb a tree this way, but they couldn’t climb something V-shaped like a stalactite.
by paythefighters on Jun 17, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
And by his "back" you mean
Traps, shoulders, chest, and back, right?
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
BJ’s own greasing “evidence” video never showed BJ’s legs touching any of those body parts.
by paythefighters on Jun 17, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
grease, skill, cardio and technique were all in GSP's favor
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
cardio, grease,size,strength
Technique, and skill??? C’mon son
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 9, 2011 7:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
GSP is better than BJ Penn at everything except putting his legs behind his back
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget boxing and BJJ.
I remember all those times BJ had a fully locked sub and couldn’t finish.
Gumby arms and all that.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
BJ's BJJ was nowhere near GSP's at UFC 94's
He didn’t even use the right grip in the rubber guard. Blaming grease is ultra lame.
by paythefighters on Jun 10, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea that was pure BJJ.
Wrestling had no factor in that one.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
BJ’s brain fart in failing to properly execute mission control had nothing to do wrestling.
Lots of wrestlers get subbed by BJJ artists. BJ had no offense off his back because GSP was well versed in BJJ and knew how to do damage, posture up, etc.
by paythefighters on Jun 17, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
bjj, boxing and power punching= bj by a mile
Dude …seriously… gsp is the only black belt I have ever seen that didn’t know how to finish an armbar.
Gsp is the most well rounded fighter in the game. Every where but wrestling and physical conditioning he is no where near the most skilled
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"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 9, 2011 7:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
his MMA BJJ is better
I said in MMA. Now, maybe BJ is a better guard player, but we’ll probably never know. He isn’t a better striker. Power puncher, yea, but he isn’t as fast or as deceptive. He is supremely good though. Just not GSP good. I’ll leave this discussion here as you’re valiantly defending Penn against everything from his cardio issues to the grease thing again.
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude. GSP, faster?
I reeeeally need you to watch GSP/Penn 1 again and then get back to me about how much faster GSP is. If Georges was the better striker he would have stood in the pocket, fearless, ready for whatever comes knowing he can dish it out twice as hard.
Georges is a great MMA fighter, but his greatness lies in putting together all of his B+ to A- skills.
I will give him “Mode Transitions” as best in the game. That is all.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
If Georges was the better striker he would have stood in the pocket, fearless, ready for whatever comes knowing he can dish it out twice as hard.
This is why Georges is arguably one of the three greatest MMA fighters of all time and you’re just some schmo who doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.
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by Worldisart on Jun 9, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
no, you don't know what he is talking about.
Gsp is the best ww ever and he is greater than the sum of his parts.
But he isnt the best in any 1 area except wrestling and conditioning
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" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 9, 2011 8:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and striking defense and bjj defense
look at his fucking stats bro
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
his wrestling facilitates that.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 9, 2011 8:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
a misnomer is to credit his wrestling with inflating his stats
when in fact his wrestling is also so good because of his utterly phenomenal stand up. GSP’s feints look all the same. Leg kicks, shots, punches. You can’t tell what technique he is throwing until it is too late. The way he got in Alves head was a thing of beauty. When I say he’d win a boring decision, I should have clarified boring to some. Not to me. He doesn’t leap in with finishing blows, nor does he have particularly heavy hands, but he is a lot like Machida was. He can mask what he is doing while knowing what his opponent is doing better than most who have ever competed in the sport in history.
The ability to counter with a takedown from such distance isn’t strictly a wrestling technique. Much like Clay Guida and Rashad Evan’s most recent fights have shown, fighters with rock solid takedown defense can be planted on their asses with ease by the addition of those skills. Pettis and Rampage were iron clad against NCAA wrestlers Shane Roller and Matt Hamill but were taken down easily due to set ups and counters. GSP has those skills X 10.
His wrestling doesn’t make his stand up great. His great standup makes his great wrestling even better. This is why he doesn’t eek out decisions. He makes fighters look like they never belonged in the cage in the first place. He dominates and can dominate a fighter anywhere.
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't really like the Machida comparison.
They both have a Karate base, and they both control distance very well.
But if Georges had laid a Machida blitz attack on Kos at any time after the first round of their fight he could have ended it.
But why risk getting tagged when you can display the “best striking” in MMA for 4 more rounds?
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
The Machida comparison is extremely valid pre Thiago
After that day they began their slow reputation switch. No one would have said Machida is an exciting explosive fighter before then, and no one could have said GSP was boring.
Stylistically though there are a lot of similarities. Impossible to take down, deceptive and experts and leaping in all the from probing range with attacks. GSP is more wrestling based however both fighters can mask attacks and read attacks very well. Gijitsu motherfucker.
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP tried the blitz
Koscheck is one of the most athletic guys at WW. He’s really quick on his feet, and any time GSP threw anything at him he just got the fuck out of there.
Plenty of other examples, too. After the second strike Koscheck is too far away, so blitzes don’t work.
You can’t fight wrestlers with a blitz. Florian knows it. Rampage knows it. GSP knows it. Machida’s blitzes worked against Rashad because he abandoned his wrestling, but in a rematch or against Jon Jones, then he’ll learn it too.
One day, you may figure it out as well.
by paythefighters on Jun 10, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
1. That was not a blitz.
That was a a poorly setup left cross/right cross combo.
2. Kos is just too elusive? The terrible example of a Gif you use clearly shows a great chance for GSP when Kos backs himself into the fence.
3. Machida Blitz- Using feints your opponent is lulled into a sense of false security, at which point you launch the flying knee to the body, causing your opponent to drop his hands, at which time you grab the clinch freely. While in the clinch alternate between karate-style dirty strikes and knees to the body.
Georges would have finished Kos with one of those, if he wasn’t so terrified of losing his belt.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Using feints your opponent is lulled into a sense of false security
You can lull Koscheck into a false sense of security by being a no-name and losing the striking battle until the fatal blow, e.g. Paulo Thiago. GSP doesn’t have that luxury. BTW, that lulling cost Machida two (rather boring) rounds against Rampage.
There’s Machida/Silva/GSP elusive – where opponents can’t land anything on them, and there’s Koscheck elusive, where he can get picked apart but won’t let you land a finishing blow. Any time GSP’s power hand even moved, Koscheck leaped out of range.
If opponents are skilled, 90% of finishes require the victim to be going for the win himself. He is either counterpunched or sitting in the pocket looking for his opportunity.
by paythefighters on Jun 17, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
If Georges was the better striker he would have stood in the pocket, fearless, ready for whatever comes knowing he can dish it out twice as hard.
Under no circumstances would GSP ever do this ever. He isn’t wired that way. He can cover distance and land much faster than Penn can. The first fight was even standing mostly but for the fact GSP showed more damage. The damage over stated how competitive it was. In the second fight that never would have happened either way. Even with GSP’s lack of killer instinct and complete inability to stand in the pocket and launch power punch combos, he is still by a good margin the best striker at WW and would win a K1 tournament against WW you can name. And nothing you’ll say will chance the fact his ability to read fighters, mask what he is throwing, cover distance, footwork and defense together make him easily the best MMA striker at WW and regardless of the lack of finishes, in the sport in general.
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
wow you just lost all credibility .
That’s one of the silliest things I have ever read.
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 9, 2011 7:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Alves, Diaz, Kampmann or Daley would lose a k1 fight to him
not silly at all. How would they win? None of them are as fast, deceptive, have defense or can cover ground like him.
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
you dont know what you are talking about.
You just called those guys slow and predictable? That’s crazy.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 9, 2011 8:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I did not say that at all
I said they were slower and more predictable than GSP. You have a BJ Penn alliance that is clouding things here. It’s cool.
None of those fighters are really great kick boxers. Daley is more of a pocket puncher. Kampmann is much slow as shit and has awful defense, Alves lol and Diaz relies on cornering people, something he’d never do to GSP.
GSP would win a boring defense oriented fight against any of them under K1 rules. Matchs ups and speed dictate this.
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is Alves lol? I think he has the best chance. Alves could beat GSP utilizing superior kicks. Anyway you couldn’t be as sure as you’re making yourself out to be, but GSP’s stand-up is vastly underrated by his detractors.
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Win a K-1 tournament
against MMA fighters, or win a k-1 tourney in general?
Because i’m 1000% positive that GSP would get ROCKED by middleweight kickboxers like Cosmo, Yod, Holzken, Pajonsuk, Jon Wayne Parr, etc
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He means MMA WW.
" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I coulda been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but I'm right..." Bama
That's more reasonable,
although I think GSP would have serious trouble against Alves, Semtex, Bahadurzada, and Kampmann.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
dude even k1 against k1 fight
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" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 9, 2011 8:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
even against mma fighters.
A stand-up only fight against Bj,nick, alves, daley, condit. You let those boys get in a stand up only stance and that’s trouble.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 9, 2011 8:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
mma obviously
ww is also super thin on strikers though
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
and GSP isn't a favorite of mine
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You are full of shit.
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
why?
aint you the guy who argued diaz is better standing?
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/5/6/2144312/technique-central-how-to-out-strike-nick-diaz-part-1
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/5/17/2154898/technique-central-how-to-out-strike-nick-diaz-part-2
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/6/5/2158458/technique-central-how-to-out-strike-nick-diaz-part-3
Have a read of that. Now you’re saying GSP is better than BJ in every aspect of MMA. More shit.
BJ is the better boxer and has the better BJJ.
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
by Mckeever on Jun 9, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
BJ is not the better MMA boxer.
GSP’s speed, and deceptiveness was a nightmare for him the second time around. BJ may have a better offensive BJJ game, especially if he gets your back, but in all the rounds of MMA grappling they’ve engaged in, Penn got schooled. This dictates I cannot in good faith say that BJ Penn has better MMA BJJ.
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You're ridiculous
GSP had an entire training camp and gameplan which revolved around submitting a one dimensional (and very mediocre) striker in Dan hardy. In 5 rounds, GSP couldn’t submit Dan Hardy.
I can guarantee you that BJ Penn would submit Dan Hardy within two rounds. That’s if he didn’t decide to knock him out standing.
Again. You’re full of shit.
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
hardy is hardly a mediocre striker
or fighter. His record of late I think is worse than he is as a fighter.
BJ may have a better offensive BJJ game
GSP doesn’t try to sub or knock guys out really. BJ does. BJ is a much better finisher, but he doesn’t have better MMA BJJ when they have fought twice and on the ground GSP bitch slaps him. Saying that makes no sense.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I will not sit here and try to reason with some one who honestly believes GSP has better BJJ than BJ Penn.
You’re out of your fuckin’ element
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
Do you understand what I mean by MMA BJJ?
It is a term used to describe the skill in the context of an MMA match. In a gi on a mat at the munds, BJ may have a better shot, but in MMA, they’ve fought, and GSP made him look like a bitch. Also compare their fights against Matt Hughes when they went to the ground in 06 and 07. GSP destroyed Hughes, Hughes out lasted Penn.
I am talking MMA BJJ. Randy Couture has better MMA striking than James Toney does, for instance.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What is this, I don't even.....?
Let’s ignore the Matt Hughes/GSP fight where Hughes subbed Georges and let’s ignore the BJ Penn/Hughes fight where BJ RNC’d Matt in one round and completely outclassed him on the ground.
Instead, let’s just spout out more bullshit.
I can say with almost certainty that if GSP took a guy like Kenny Florian down, he wouldn’t come close to submitting him, not even close. He’d probably wrestle fuck him and GNP him, but he wouldn’t come close to a sub.
The moment BJ takes Kenny down, he subs him in a matter of minutes.
BJ Penn, the first non brazilian to win a world BJJ championship with three years of training.
A man with one of the most dangerous top submissions games in the entire sport (top 5 in MMA).
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
by Mckeever on Jun 9, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And you’re sat there actually trying to convince yourself and delude other’s into believe GSP has better “MMA BJJ” than him.
Honestly, really man?
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
Well...
We have seen GSP and Penn grapple in MMA and GSP overwhelmingly dominated him. I do not know how much more clear cut it can be that GSP has better MMA BJJ. If the actual match against each other did not prove it to you I guess nothing will.
this
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP out wrestled BJ badly in the second fight and narrowly squeaked a win over him in the first fight.
GSP out grappled BJ in the first fight? I wouldn’t say so. Sure GSP had take downs on BJ, but what offense did he mount when it hit the ground? There wasn’t any. He layed in BJ’s guard, didn’t once come close to passing it, didn’t once look for any kind of submission and didn’t land any GNP. The only kind of offense that actually occurred in the first fight, was BJ looking for an omoplata at the end of the third round.
He didn’t out grapple BJ, he out wrestled him. Now, if BJ had the wrestling to take GSP down, I wouldn’t doubt for one second, BJ having a great chance at quickly taking GSP’s back, sinking in those hooks and looking for an RNC.
The second GSP fight was a different story, which GSP dominated for three main reason’s. Wrestling, conditioning and game planning.
He is not by any means though, a better BJJ fighter than BJ Penn.
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
Forgot to mention the greasing in the second fight too.
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
by Mckeever on Jun 9, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was a half ass TKO by Penn.
And GSP was a shell of the GSP he is now. In 06-07 they were closer to their current forms. Anything BJ did when he still sported his pseudo hightop fade is worthless nowdays yo
They grappled and Penn was dominated over the course of six full rounds. The discussion starts and ends there.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Half ass TKO by Penn....
What on earth are you talking about? BJ Penn subbed Matt Hughes via RNC in the first round when Matt was in the prime of his career. Completely out classed on the ground.
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
Have you even seen the first BJ/GSP fight?
It doesn’t look like you have if you think GSP dominated him in the grappling exchanges for three rounds…
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
sigh, ok where to start
Hughes was rocked by a gigantic right hand from Penn before the sub was applied and has in many interviews recent and old said that he was pretty much out. I know this isn’t reflected on any records site, but this is how the fight went down.
I also said GSP dominated Penn on the ground for six full rounds. The two last rounds of the first fight, and the four of the second.
You seen either of these fights?
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Moron...
So because BJ rocked Hughes before he subbed him, BJ won via “half assed TKO”
GTFO of here with that bullshit.
Read the above, fairly lengthy post I made. If you think GSP dominated BJ Penn on the ground in their first meeting, then it’s quite evident you’re the one who hasn’t seen the fight.
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
Guy's just so you know
BJ Penn beat Matt Hughe’s via a half assed TKO in the first fight, not a. RNC submission.
Why? Because Uirjah Bieber said so.
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
he sub'd him, but the sub wasn't facilitated by BJJ, it was because Hughes was essentially knocked out
Settle down soldier.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Punches are not BJJ techniques
The choke was only secured due to the strike, so looking at the result in this case doesn’t tell the real story. Anyway, they have fought on the ground for over a half hour and GSP easily won almost every second of it. GSP won the second two rounds rather easily in the first bout.
However, this post and the one above won’t exist long, and neither will you for throwing “moron” around for a disagreement on MMA.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
As I said originally
You’re full of shit and I couldn’t care less if I get banned.
You are a moron.
If you're having fight problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Fitch ain't one.
punches arent a bjj technique? what did Royce do everyone on the gracie in action tapes?
Really that’s funny what did Big foot do to Fedor? Thiago Silva to Houston Alexander?
You don’t know what you are talking about. The more you talk the more apparent it is.
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 10, 2011 12:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Let me ask this
Would you have BJ over GSP in a grappling tournament at 170? Gi or no gi?
I wouldn’t.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 9, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
yea but you know about as much as bieber
So that makes sense.
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 10, 2011 12:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’d say it’s far, far more likely that BJ Penn submits GSP than the other way around. Yet I think the most likely outcome is GSP getting a takedown and guard pass then winning on points.
Nobody brings up the obvious point that BJ has much better submissions while GSP is better at obtaining dominant positions. I honestly thing this argument comes down to which you value more.
BJ Penn is the more accomplished grappler but GSP won the grappling in their most recent fight. There are good arguments for both sides.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
Indeed.
1st time, No Grease- BJ Locks Georges down very easily with his High Guard and renders him completely ineffective.
2nd time, With Grease- Georges postures up very easily, renders BJs High Guard completely ineffective.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
they light torches when you bring that fact up.
The reason he did better is “gsp’s bjj got way better” I mean look at the hardy fight. Did you see that super tight armbar he threw? How about the kimura? Yeah me too.
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 10, 2011 12:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's one fight
And even there, GSP did a lot of beautiful passing and transitions to submissions, which is the hardest part of BJJ. Only an idiot would ignore all that because he failed to submit a guy by putting him in positions that would destroy the joints of 95% of his training partners.
Would you expect me to evaluate BJ’s BJJ from UFC 94? When he used a fucking pronated grip with his rubber guard? WTF kind of amateur BS was that?
by paythefighters on Jun 10, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i just said his cardio wasnt as bad as Carwins.
It ain’t great.
Now going back to gsps bjj for mma. Gsp isn’t in the top ten in the UFC. Bj is I would say # 3 or 4 .
Where exactly is your area of expertise in martial arts?
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 9, 2011 7:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No where
I did train boxing in highschool, been taking my kid to karate and judo for years, and krav maga myself for a little spell. Plenty of Tai Bo with my wife too.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
it shows.
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 10, 2011 12:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not going to question your technical wizardry.
But this issue is an unhealthy obsession of mine, and it’s hard to break posture when you can’t get ANY type of friction going due to vaseline being applied and spraying mouthfuls of water over your back.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
i gotta agree.
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 9, 2011 7:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
People get me confused with the "BJ woulda won that fight if not for the grease" crowd.
When I’m actually in the “Georges didn’t need to cheat at all but he did anyways” group.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
That is where I am
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
Why I never joined a frat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-KNVrZaN8M
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by Chris Barton on Jun 10, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
because there is definitive proof that gsp greased. give me a friggin break. Using your example, see what happens when you use a gameplan that isn’t retarded against BJ vs one that is. There is the difference between their second fight and their first.
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by exsanguinator on Jun 10, 2011 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, yea, there is.
Will you settle for Video proof?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlxaJP83oVQ
Or maybe Dana’s opinion during the cheating?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGyDacXx8YY
Is watching it happen proof enough for you? Or is the glare from GSP nuts just too bright?
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
There's a difference between gassing and getting the shit beat out of you
BJ said he was borderline knocked out after the second. It doesn’t matter how well conditioned you are. If your brain wants to rest and heal, you’re not going to look very sharp.
Same thing with Jones-Shogun. That had nothing to do with gas tank. Shogun was a dead man walking after the first.
Some people can recover quickly from heavy beatings, and some can’t. It’s a god-given gift that you can’t build, and you wouldn’t want to build it for fear of brain damage.
by paythefighters on Jun 10, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
if the queen had balls
She would be the king.
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 9, 2011 6:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Or just an unstoppable female fighter.
"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift
Say what you will, but that's actually Joe Stevenson's body with Cyborg's face photoshopped in.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
BJ doesn’t get tired when he controls the fight. He should still do fine against guys like Condit or Kampmann who can’t take him down.
Yeah,
people act like BJ has shitty cardio… he really doesn’t. He just fades when the other guy is kicking his ass.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah,
getting your ass kicked is exhausting, no matter how good your endurance is. BJ’s problem is that he’s often too willing to play his opponent’s game (kind of the BJJ “take what you’re given” attitude).
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
SO why did he gas in the Fitch fight? Fitch was not doing any meaningful damage. Sure kicking his ass, but nothing that would kill carido.
I’d rather just climb this fridge
Fighting Fitch is exhausting,
and BJ is carrying a spare tire around at welterweight. I think it’s pretty obvious that he’s a natural lightweight.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Because he had a wrestling match with a much bigger, stronger guy.
You can see the exact moment BJ gasses (I look for it in all his fights). He has Fitch in a perfect body triangle, then he lets it go for no reason at all, then Fitch spins into his guard.
Also, he wasn’t training his S and C with Marv. Unless he goes back to that insane taskmaster he will never get another taste of gold.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Best thing to happen to BJ’s fighting is him going bankrupt. He fights because he likes it a losing is no big deal for him because hes rich. BJ could leave MMA tomorrow and not hurt for another dollar. Same thing happened to Rampage, got rich and now doesn’t care any more
I’d rather just climb this fridge
Word.
The HUNGRY guys are the most dangerous.
If you aren’t talking like Clubber Lang, then get the fuck out of my face.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
I don't know about that.
BJ is well off and so is his family, but the dude has a baby. He definitely can use the money.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He would have had a million or more any ways without fighting. FIghting for him started because his dad wanted to get him out of Hilo so he didn’t get in shit.
I’d rather just climb this fridge
He'll always be fine,
but I think BJ is a guy who wants to be great. His talent is his greatest gift and his greatest curse, though. He rides on his natural abilities sometimes, and then gets outworked. It’s one of the reasons i’ve always connected with him as a fan because i’ve always had the same problem.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
mofo just compared himself to BJ Penn
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I was the first American to win a Nordic walking championship, after only 2 years of training.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
So like you’re the Jon Jones of walking with ski poles.
Yes I am.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i sent you a fight camp invite
accept it or i will be forced to…………….find someone else
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 9, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you?
Okay cool. I will check playground. I requested an invite yesterday but hadn’t heard back.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Mediocre, good, and great grapplers know how to make someone else carry their weight. Fitch is a better grappler today that BJ is. Also Fitch was on tp for most the time. These are all factors for why BJ got tired.
Also, cardio training.
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by exsanguinator on Jun 10, 2011 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
What makes you think he did?
Fitch got one takedown (where BJ sort of went for a guillotine and pulled guard after a good initial sprawl), squeezed Penn into the corner, and then Fitched him the way he does to everyone.
That’s not gassing. That’s one poor decision leading to an asswhooping. It’s exactly the same thing that Marquardt did against Sonnen (and once to Okami, too). He didn’t gas.
by paythefighters on Jun 10, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
So the reason BJ didn't move, speak, blink or basically give any sign he was alive in the 3rd
was because of “poor decisions.”
Jesus Christ dude.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Read what Beiber just wrote, buddy.
Stop making excuses for the guy. Now I understand why BJ fans piss people off so much. You sound silly.
I don’t remember Fitch kicking his ass in the first two rounds. Penn just got tired.
Fitch not being on top had a lot to do with the first two rounds. If you recall, later in the second Fitch was on top, and those couple minutes did look like the third. Fitch is an excellent grappler. You can’t make the case that BJ was gassed in the first half of the fight, yet Fitch escaped a BJ backmount with a bodylock (twice, IIRC).
It wasn’t gassing. It was classic Fitch against a guy that is too undersized and/or not skilled enough (recall BJ vs. Edgar) to stay on his feet against an elite wrestler.
by paythefighters on Jun 10, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Some dudes have great recovery though
like Shields and Edgar (though arguably both got let back into the fight b/c their opponents were tired in the 2nd round, but still) and especially Diaz.
BJ doesn’t recover as fast as those guys.
Why does this thread have to be all about BJ though? (This isn’t you in particular, I just can’t believe people still want to debate GSP vs BJ).
No he does have bad cardio compared to others of his athletic ability
Like after the Florian win I believe he said he tried to avoid grappling as much as possible to prevent his muscles from becoming “all lacticy”.
Some guys suffer bad from it like Penn and others like Lance Armstrong and Randy Couture have bodies that naturally remove lactic acid from their blood. Penn doesn’t have that at all.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yea i agree
He’s never gonna win the tour de France.
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 9, 2011 7:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
or a fight at WW where he doesn't smash his opponent early
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He's got it when he trains his body properly.
He stuffed Kenny all day and hit that switch on the way down every time.
Oh, and Randy has been on TRT and HGH for years now, and they just pinched Lance for EPO.
BJ is just a natural man. That smokes weed, and doesn’t like to swim or flip tires.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
in the kenny fight he specifically stated he avoided the ground to keep from getting tired and having his muscles fill up with lactic acid
post fight presser. BJ’s cardio is legendarily bad.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
But if BJ did nothing but sprint and flip tires for a training camp he would still be leagues better than any opponent he faces and he would never get tired.
GSP included.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
And that's sad as it doesn't elevate him much.
Now, I’m convinced Nick Diaz would slaughter him, even though I’d have him doing that in 3 rounds anyway. He’s not touching Fitch,Diaz,GSP,Sheilds in 5 rounds, and that’s the top competition. He might as well drop back to lightweight, because he’s not moving up in WW.
Hell, he’d have his hands full with Rick Story and Ellenburger
Nick Diaz is a lesser version of BJ
BJ has better boxing and BJJ and Nick Diaz has terrible wrestling.
They aren't really comparable
People like to compare them, but they are almost entirely different in their approaches both on the feet and on the ground. And one has incredible takedown defense, the other does not.
How are they similar in any way? People always compare them, they shouldn’t.
I don't see why not?
Both are well known for their BJJ and their boxing. BJ is the more accomplished BJJ practitioner and many people believe that he has some of the best boxing in mma.
Oh, my friend.
1. Both have gained exceptional skill and experience in the realm of BJJ, but came up Scrapping as their base.
2. Both would prefer to punch your f*cking lights out rather than grapple.
3. Both hate the concept of “Point-Fighting” and that anybody who fights to win and not finish are little b*tches. Nick and BJ see it as a real fight, and there should be more “fighting” and less “control.”
4. Both smoke weed on the regular.
I see a lot more similarities than I do differences… One has TDD, one has a gas tank. Oh, and I’m pretty sure BJ wasn’t abused as a child like I’m almost positive Nick was. So much anger.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
that should be green
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 9, 2011 7:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When you get down to it though....
1. Nick Diaz grew up in the hood in California, BJ was from the richest family on his island.
Makes sense
Diaz never gasses, BJ often comes in fat.
BJ actually grew up in a very small house.
The money didn’t start rolling in for the Penn family till BJ’s later teen years, people talk about him like he was born into the Rockafeller family. BJ’s dad is a self made man, and his mom worked very hard as well.
In his book Bj often discusses that just down the street from his house was “The Cave”, a park where the “Cavemen” lived and sold crack and ice. There was one dude who would literally walk around with nunchucks and beat that ass if you couldnt pay. In Lodi you got gats, in Kona you got nunchucks. Same dif.
Both grew up partying, scrapping, playing sports. Soccer for BJ, swimming for Nick.
If I didn’t know any better I would say you are just kind of repeating things you have heard and not actually doing any reading yourself?
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Pshh no Nunchucks in Lodi? You're obviously not
by av1o3 on Jun 9, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
AW!
You just put my argument on TRT and HGH.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
You're welcome
I have no idea where it’s from. It just popped up when I was looking for a gif of him using nunchucks haha.
Better boxing?? HA
And what great striker or boxer has he outboxed to make to say such a ridculous thing?
Do you even follow boxing?
BJ is really good at getting in and countering but at the same time he avoids getting hurt.
Diaz tries to keep his distance with an insane amount of jabs but he has shitty defense and gets hurt because of it often. Diaz is has a good chin though and could recover quickly but he’s been dropped a lot.
I'll ask you again
What great striker or boxer has Penn outboxed to make you say this? Because I can name more than a few that Diaz has proven himself against.
Sherk is a good boxer just has T-Rex arms, Florian is a good striker. Pulver was a good striker when Peen faced him
I’d rather just climb this fridge
No need for an argument
Anyone who knows Sherk, Florian, and Pulver would be laughing to. Great fighters, elite strikers? NO!!!!!
Well then
Who are these “elite” strikers that BJ should have fought? And what makes a striker “elite”?
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What elite strikers has Diaz fought then?
Zaromskis is overrated.
KJ is not an elite striker.
Paul Daley is decent but he has his holes, he dropped Diaz too though.
Evangelista was lighting Diaz up on the feet until he decided to go for a takedown for some reason.
Huh?
KJ has a proffesional boxing record of 11-2, with 5 knock outs. Diaz outboxed him.
Daley is one of the greatest strikers in MMA, anyone will tell you that, and of course he dropped Diaz. He’s a bad mother fucker, but in the end, he got outboxed.
Evangelisa? What fight were you watching?
Probably the fight where Nicks leg was almost kicked into the 5th row. Daley is a good striker, not great, just has the power that keeps people away from him.
I’d rather just climb this fridge
Yeah okay
He’s one of the best, just look at his record. No knock outs, and knocking out people who are considered UFC’s best welterweight strikers, like Martin, and making it look easy.
When I say no knock outs,
I mean he’s never been knocked out. Not ever, out of 26 fights, until Diaz came along.
My take on this subthread here -
1. Diaz is a great striker but
2. Daley was less “knocked out” by rights than Diaz was when he was face planted, and that whole fight just unfolded weird.
3. Zaromskis is better than people are crediting him for. By nature of a division full of average MMA strikers and almost no knockout strikers, he is top shelf.
4. KJ Noons fought the most retarded game plan I’ve ever seen against Diaz, standing there eating shot after shot looking to land a bomb like he did against Gurgel. He also rides high on the myth that average pro boxer >>>>>>>>> average MMA striker.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
???
which fighter there isn’t a good striker??
Sherk has no reach, but from a technique aspect hes good.
Florian is just a good striker
Pulver fought some pro boxing IIRC and was always known as a great striker, MMA has passed him by, but make no mistake he was great in his day.
I’d rather just climb this fridge
Duane Ludwig was a pretty successful in K-1 when they fought
Takanori Gomi as well.
Don't remember the Duane fight
But I know he was submitted in that fight, I know he’s been beaten by many nobodies, and I know that the very next fight after BJ, he was knocked out by Sam fucking Morgon. Give me a break.
freddie roach says bj has the best boxing in mma.
Freddie Roach’s words > barpower’s
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 10, 2011 12:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Then I'll ask you again
Who are these “elite” strikers BJ should have fought?
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And I don't remember BJ outboxing Gomi,
I remember it turning out to be a grappling match. And Diaz beat GOmi worse.
Shifting goal posts anyone?
You are aware that BJ Penn is an MMA fighter right?
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Gomi dropped Diaz multiple times
then gassed and dived into a gogoplata. Diaz might have had a flashier finish but he did not beat Gomi “worse”.
I'm all for it.
Very excited to see this, wonder who the first 5 round Main Event will be?
Will this include free cards on TV? If not, we probably won’t see one until late this year.
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by crazybones on Jun 9, 2011 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
God willing, he never sees another main event
Thank you UFC fans. My name Stun Gun. I want GSP
by crinow on Jun 9, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
lmao
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 9, 2011 6:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't like it
unless title fights go 7
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by Chris Barton on Jun 9, 2011 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
If Hamill/Rampage for another 10 minutes doesn’t get you excited, nothing will.
Did you see the size of that chicken?
by Heenan on Jun 9, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, Title fights should have significance moreso than non title fights and.....
How about we just look at the past five years… say UFC 60, end of May 2006.
51 five round title fights
63 three round main events
114 cumulative fights in sample
32 of 51 five round title fights were finished …. 63%
35 of 63 three round main events were finished …. 59%
67 of 114 cumulative fights in sample are finished …. 55%
3 five round fights out of 51 finished in the 4th or 5th rounds …. 6%
6% of the 63 three round main events is 4. In the past five years we could estimate that we missed out on four finishes in fights that were main events that were only 3 rounds long, and we also can estimate we would of gained an extra ten minutes of said fights 24 times in place of other fights on the card that might of been aired.
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According to MMAWeekly
“White also specified that this policy is in effect for any show that the UFC produces whether it’s a pay-per-view or a UFC Fight Night event, main event fights will be 5 round non-title bouts.”
Oh please dear god don’t let Chris Lytle and Dan Hardy be the first 5 round non-title fight in UFC history.
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by Tim Burke on Jun 9, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
But, but, but ….. it’s GUARANTEED fireworks! These guys always bring it! Hardy is among the best strikers in the division!
Seriously though, it’s a shame Davis/Evans didn’t make it but I guess I’m happy enough Rampage/Hamill wasn’t a five-rounder.
by wonderfulspam on Jun 9, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It would’ve been nice if they’d made Miller/Bendo for the main event. I’d be down for 25 minutes of THAT.
by crazybones on Jun 9, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
To be honest
By merit, that SHOULD be the main event. Miller is next in line for a title shot, and Bendo won’t be far behind if he can pull the upset.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I would imagine...
maybe he gets matched up with the Guillard/ Roller winner? Or maybe Siver/ Wiman?
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That'd be sick.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a double edge sword though. As many main event fights as I remember wanting to go 5, I can remember just as many that could have stayed at 3 or less.
I wonder if this makes Dana pick and chooses his main event fighters more carefully.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
If it’s not a title shot, when are we ever going to see Shields or Fitch headline a card? They’re trying to sell PPVs (I say that as someone who likes watching both guys fight).
Didn't think about that
You’re right. It would be hard to imagine them headlining any card now.
This is awesome news.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Jun 9, 2011 6:22 PM EDT reply actions
wow horrible
DUMB DUMB DUMB! dont care i am a MMA fan but all main events 5 rounds ok i hate guys laying on guys for 3 rounds now we get 5?? really!!!! STUPID!! just more ppv i wont buy dont care 3 rounds you know what you get championship fights OK 5 rounds fine understand ya let me see more rampage- hammil same thing weather its 5 or 3 sucks period !!
Man Damn
Dana White be making some big moves, can’t knock his hustle at all!
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 9, 2011 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
goddamn that's an ugly fucking ewok.
by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 9, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
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Would hit.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Man damn
I WOULD LOVE TO SHOVE MY FINGER in her face and tell her to stop making such a stupid face, sheesh what a dork.
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 9, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah Yea! Good news, more time for elite MMA fighters to fight is fantastic. Sure you will get your Rampage / Hammil fight where you dont want 10 more minutes but I can live with a few poor fights for many great ones!
?
What was wrong with that fight? Hammil was getting thoroughly whipped in my eyes.
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 9, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh
it’s kind of intriguing, but at the same time it takes away a little from the special feeling of a title fight.
Bloody Elbow, because we're better than you...
look at it this way...
if you’re in the main event, you’re likely to be in the upper contention to eventually get a title shot, right? think positive!
by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 9, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess you’re right. That seems like a modest payoff in return for more decisive finishes in crucial fights, though.
by wonderfulspam on Jun 9, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
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I don't need more than the one true meaningful belt
being on the line for a fight to “feel special”
Oddly enough, the Super Bowl doesn’t feel any less special even though it’s the same length as a preseason game.
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by Mike Fagan on Jun 9, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Oh
you mean that once a year event built up for months beforehand with a tournament, which features special performances and all day coverage?
Bloody Elbow, because we're better than you...
MLB games don’t feel any less special than minor league games even though they’re both 9 innings.
NBA games don’t feel any more special than college games even though there’s an extra 8 minutes.
Non-title boxing fights don’t feel any less special even when they’re 12 rounds.
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by Mike Fagan on Jun 9, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
The World Cup Final is still 90 mins.
"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna
Actually, MMA is the only sport I can think of which has this distinction.
"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna
So wait, they play seven games each time teams meet in the regular season to determine who wins?
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda
it is longer as far as TV time goes.
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fuckity, fuck, fuck, fuck.
this has truly been the most pivotal year for MMA, and this just adds to the goodness.
by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 9, 2011 6:26 PM EDT reply actions
Now
if only Dana can get a Combat/MMA Sports channel deal by 2nd quarter 2012, that’s not asking too much is it?
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 9, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah me too.
It might suck seeing awesome fighters fight 10 minutes longer.
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Is Fitch main photo of the article
‘cause he’s UFC king of decisions?
And more good news ...
“UFC president Dana White today confirmed that the organization is moving forward on its plan to add a 125-pound flyweight division to its existing seven weight classes.
White said it could come “like, really soon,” possibly by year’s end."
Source please
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 9, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont' like this
too many weight classes, too many belts. nooooo
Tell the 125 lb’ers to eat a fucking cheeseburger..
Eveyrthing aside… doesn’t all this shit tie into UFC buying G4? They need more fighters, more belts…
Are you serious?
125 lb’ers are awesome.
If you think about it, somewhere around lightweight/ welterweight (5’8-5’10, 170-190) is whas the average man’s height/ weight is. So it’s natural that there would be a certain amount of standard deviations below and above there. You have middleweight, light heavyweight, and heavyweight above; featherweight, bantamweight, and flyweight below.
After that I think weight differences become pretty negligible, although Boxing and wrestling have competitive weight classes all the way down to just over 100 lbs.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Boxing and there convoluted system of weight classes is one thing
but there genuinely needs to be a 125 ib division for sure just for guys like Mighty Mouse who are still undersized compared to their competition. Any fighter lighter than that can go jump in a lake and get swallowed by a catfish, we don’t need full blown midget leagues (unless Spike TV is interested in developing a pilot for summer).
Bloody Elbow, because we're better than you...
Exactly.
Current UFC fighters like Mighty Mouse & Benavidez, stateside guys like McCall & Vila, and then the Shooto guys like Yamaguchi & Urushitani… there are PLENTY of guys who could support that division.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
dbcb doesn’t like lower weight class, if I remember correctly.
Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves
I prefer the heavier guys
I just like people trying to finish. And it is hard for the small guys to finish sometimes.
As long as they try though… I am down.
so you're saying essentially your main focus is if
“they are being fucking fighters!!”
Very interesting…
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I like all weight classes
as long as there is sufficient depth and breadth of talent, and centralized competition.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
is there sufficient depth for 125 though?
135 is VERY thin as is. 145 is just filling out thanks to people dropping down.
There definitely is.
Current UFC fighters like Mighty Mouse & Benavidez, stateside guys like McCall & Vila, and then the Shooto guys like Yamaguchi & Urushitani
(From an above post)
There are several hotbeds for 125 lbers right now- namely Shooto and Tachi Palace Fights. There are quite a few UFC bantamweights that would be better off at ’25, and several featherweights who should probably drop to ’35.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell if Kenny loses enough he will cut his way down there
I’d rather just climb this fridge
by Riley_96 on Jun 9, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ha.
I don’t even know if featherweight will be a good move for him, I never felt size was an issue for him at lightweight. Just poor strength and wrestling.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
he just doesn't have the athleticism
won’t have it against guys like Aldo either
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah,
Kenny just isn’t a great athlete, and he’s no younker either.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
135 is one of the deeper divisions in terms of contenders in the entire UFC dude.
Some body never watched the WEC.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously.
You’ve got Torres and Faber; then young contenders like Barao, McDonald, Mighty Mouse; still very relevant veterans like Torres, Wineland, Pickett; and then guys who have already fought Cruz like Jorgensen/ Bowles/ Benavidez, who are all badass.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
Wineland is only 26 though and still improving. Because he won the title at such a young age it gives the impression he is older than he is.
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot about that.
I still think Torres would give Cruz a good fight, although I actually think he would be well served to pack on some muscle and maybe even try out ’45.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
His brain and endocrine system are much, much older.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
His endocrine system?
Did Wineland ever piss hot? I feel like i’m missing something here.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
from damage?
You got inside information on drugs?
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 11, 2011 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Well if the 125ers make it to the UFC its a good chance a ton of guys will drop down. In the past alot of fighters moved up in weight in order to get bigger paydays and fight in the UFC. Back before the merger only ever remember two guys dropping to the WEC Manny and Pulver
I’d rather just climb this fridge
I agree.
Many of the UFC lightweights are dropping to ’45, and I think we will start seeing the featherweights dropping to ’35, necessitating the creation of a 125 lb. flyweight division
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
If Edgar gets beat twice in a row there is a good chance he will end up at FW
I’d rather just climb this fridge
Definitely.
Edgar/ Aldo would be awesome.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Well,
that’s pretty far away at this point. Plenty of guys for him to fight at lightweight, plus I think Maynard takes their next fight.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you on Maynard, but yeah its a shark tank at 155 now. Even the guys that are mid tier like G sots and Siver art well above average fighters. George could actually get a shot one day. I still refuse to count out Joe Lauzon.
I’d rather just climb this fridge
Nah, Joe's not a champion level fighter.
He’s good, but not great. And he’s always fun to watch so he’ll keep his job. But he doesn’t have great fighting IQ, blows his wad way too quick.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
after that beating he laid on Gabe
I won’t count him out either. Horrific shit had to be in the minds of that man’s family watching such a beatdown unfold. God.
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
But it was Gabe Ruediger.
The way Sam Stout just fucking PUNISHED him in the 2’nd and 3’rd rounds definitely told me everything I needed to know about Joe Lauzon’s potential as a champion. He couldn’t finish Sam Stout on the ground, gassed, and got shit kicked.
Joe is tough and I’m a fan, he’s a dynamic dude for a round or so, but his defense and endurance (/ ability to pace himself) are lacking. And at 27 he should be in the prime of his career.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Guys be nice to this fella
He hates decisions and thinks they are inherently boring. Thinks Cruz and Faber will be boring. Hates 125’rs.
I think this is that mythological “casual” fan that actually frequents these kinds of places. I say we embrace him so that we can learn from and study this species without having to go watch a PPV in a loud hooters with fake tanned tapout Dbags.
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
you are the type of fella
that can’t read completely.
I don’t like fighters who DO NOT TRY TO FINISH. I don’t enjoy point fighting. If a decision happens its fine… if the fighters were trying to end the fight.
Wand/Lidell was a decision and fucking awesome. Torres/Mighty Mouse was awesome.
Fitch vs anyone is not. Cruz is not.
Understand ?
hit or miss
I didn’t expect much from the last fight and it was epic.
Watching him beat BJ’s ass was fun…
but meh… not one of my favorites
Cruz/ Faber very well COULD be boring.
I didn’t like Cruz’ two fights with Benavidez at all, and Faber is a very similar fighter. Cruz doesn’t look good against guys who stick and move. If he fights a guy who likes to plant his feet like Bowles or Jorgensen, he looks impressive.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The headline makes me laugh
I actually checked the address bar to make sure it wasn’t the Onion or something.
This is a marketing ploy to pimp non championship level events as championship level
This sucks completely and utterly.
First, it always seems like the fights that people bitch about having no decisive winner etc were shitty fights action wise in the first place. Penn vs Fitch, CC vs Mir, Rashad vs Page etc.
In addition, guys like Frankie Edgar can’t seem to be in a five round fight that isn’t equally as controversial or indecisive. There are plenty of head scratching, controversial and boring five rounders. Lengthening a bad fight just means more of a bad fight.
Also, it ruins the term “championship rounds”. Title fights were longer for a reason.
And while Facebook and the impending changes negate this to a degree, now less fights will be shown on the broadcast.
Finally, it allows the UFC to continue to push non PPV headliner fights as headliner fights because they are five rounds when they shouldn’t be.
This
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
Never happened
Frank Mir isn’t KOing Mirko Crocop dude. Will never happen.
I still don’t believe it happened.
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
You prick, change that sig back if you're just going to rip Guida ass for it!
lol, and yes, I agree with you on 5 round non-title fights being crap (for now).
The dude abides.
lol
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 9, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Mir Ko'ed CC, how was that not decisive?
I’d rather just climb this fridge
eh
pretend that made sense and wasn’t totally stupid
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
that is one of the ones I was looking for
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
And...
I would have been interested in another round of Rampage/Evans. Rampage almost ended in ithe third
Fitch could have finished BJ (i lol’d a bit when I wrote that) with two more rounds of a gassed BJ. Instead we got a draw..
Rampage/Machida coulda been different.
Hendo/Franklin could have been different
“Also, it ruins the term "championship rounds". Title fights were longer for a reason.”
What was that reason exactly? Someone arbitrarily deciding it so? Yeah.
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added to the special feel of it.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
the belt made it special
not the two extra rounds.
Its more the title, i mean that WAMMA belt could almost make a fighter throw the fight so he wouldn’t have to wear it.
I’d rather just climb this fridge
I only recognize one belt
the real one. Not the ones running aroudn that don’t mean anything.
yay
As long as I still get 5 fight main cards I am happy main evetns as 5 rounders good stuff other than those meh not so much i want to see all the fights ya know
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five*
If I wanna be funny I should stick to action figures.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont like and do like
Part of me hates this, as title fights should be 5 rounds.
But then again, imagine 5 rounds of Fitch/Penn or Lyoto/Rampage
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by sitnam90 on Jun 9, 2011 6:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
you picked a bad prelim to hate on
Kingsbury vs Maldonado was awesome
not a prelim either
That was a main card fight
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by sitnam90 on Jun 9, 2011 6:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just dont let it happen again
Or do, it’s whatever
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I wouldn’t call it “awesome”, but that wasn’t really my point. They aren’t elite. Guys like Fitch, Rampage, Machida, Evans, etc. are, and I’d rather watch them have ten more minutes to settle things.
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The level of contrarian-styled skepticism is pretty remarkable.
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by 3PA on Jun 9, 2011 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
this idea has always sucked
But, real talk, make the first round a Pride styled ten minute round, then add the other three. I’d be cool with that. Since we’re just fucking the round system up arbitrarily anyway, fuck it.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Say wha?
Nobody is trying to be a contrarian, it’s just that there are certain aspects to take into consideration.
If they do this then in all honesty they should do something to title fights to distinguish them from any other main event and create a special atmosphere specific only to championship fights.
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Yeah I can’t even get into that frame of mind. Not trying to disrespect, but specially reserved stipulations is like trying to “book” mma like it’s wrasslin’ to me.
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by 3PA on Jun 9, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
“If they do this then in all honesty they should do something to title fights to distinguish them from any other main event and create a special atmosphere specific only to championship fights.”
Why?
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cause that is how it has been since we regulated the sport
and what we’re used to. I know other sports don’t have different lengths for title games or whatever, but other sports also have tournaments etc. MMA is its own sport.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The belt is just an accessory
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
A week too late for Anthony Pettis...
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
Last 5 non-title fight headliners that went to a decision
Rampage vs. Hamill – didn’t really need to see another two rounds
Nogeira vs. Davis – I would’ve liked to see if Davis would just continue improving his takedowns but other than that I could care less
Sanchez vs. Kampmann – would’ve LOVED two more rounds
Penn vs. Fitch – two more rounds would likely have led to a Fitch decision instead of a draw. I’d probably prefer a sudden death round 4 rather than two extra rounds, but it’s still better than a draw
Rampage vs. Machida – would’ve LOVED two more rounds
That’s two fights that were fine as three-rounders, one that would likely lead to a non-draw decision and two fights that would’ve been fantastic if they had lasted a potential five rounds.
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The most prevalent argument I’ve heard against mandatory five-round fights atop of shows centered around the fear that more five-round fights would lead to fewer prelims fights being aired. While I’ve always found that a backward view (I would much rather see ten minutes of, say, Quinton Jackson and Lyoto Machida than a prelim fight between Kyle Kingsbury and Fabio Maldonado), the point is moot given the UFC’s recent practice of broadcasting their entire prelim lineup on Facebook (and now Youtube) and Spike TV.
This was my problem with it. I don’t have a facebook account, but that’s a me problem. Now that they’re making all the prelims available, this is a good move. I won’t say great because we’ll be wishing certain fights had ended after three rounds, to be sure.
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What if...
A week or two before an event, someone in the main event pulls out with an injury and they must promote a fight to the main event? Are these fighters supposed to dramatically alter their training camp last minute? Haven’t they signed a fit contract for a 3 round event? Maybe the UFC puts a clause into those fight contracts moving forward. It’s just that fighters in the promoted bouts would have less time to secure sponsorship revenues
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Legit.
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by KingBrody on Jun 9, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That was my initial reaction as well.
My guess is they’ll keep it 3 if that’s what’s in the contract.
not sure how i feel
There have been plenty of non main eventers that people said needed to be a 5 rounder.
Also, what makes a championship fight so special besides having a belt on the line? Will this lead to people clamoring for 7 round title fights?
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Congrats, Fagan.
Now all they have to do is fire Goldie, make GSP fight Silva and give everyone free steroids, and your dreams will be made reality!
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We want to be able to see all of the prelim fights – Done
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We want 5 round main events – Done
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The thing that makes title fights special is that they are for the frikkin title, not that they are 5 rounds. The main event should be something special, 5 rounds is the way to do it. Title fights are special because they are for the #1 spot in a division, the championship.
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We also got judges some damn monitors
but 2011 may go down as the year zuffa somehow improved an already awesome product.
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by The Blackula on Jun 9, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear Lord
don’t tell me the BASED movement is now making it’s way to BE.
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Isn't its support mostly supposed to be ironic?
Please tell me it is.
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You know this move would be perfect actually if it accompanied a provision that only title fights get a single overtime round in the event of a draw
it would give championship fights that specialness, and it would also help unfuck future fights that end like Maynard Edgar
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This is not a terrible idea.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 9, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
actually yea it is because the last round could be scored a draw as well
They’d have to make it to where you fight until a round is won for it to really make sense. The NFL has this provision for play off games by the way.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate the NFL playoff overtime rule
Sudden death or GTFO. It makes infinitely more sense in combat sports when getting rid of a draw/making title fights special.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 9, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
why do you hate it?
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It was made in response to certain teams losing
Like the Vikings, twice, in the OT of NFC Championship games. Make a fucking stop and stop crying that the other team scored first.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 9, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No I am talking about the tie rule
if a regular season OT game goes to a tie, it is a tie. In the play offs they’ll play 8 quarters if they need to.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree there.
For some teams, their offense is their money. Should a coin toss really decide who wins, or should they both get a chance to score? I definitely lean towards the latter.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Boo
If your defense can’t make a single stop, I have no sympathy for you.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 9, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with that,
but also think that since that’s the case, both teams should at least have an honest chance to have a run of their own. If you can’t stop a run, but neither can the other team, then who is really better? Overtime solves this by giving ample time for both teams to give it a go.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish they had an extension round like in K-1.
You go to a draw? Extension round. No need to have an instant rematch if someone pulls ahead in the ext round.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 9, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't they change it?
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Never mind you don't like the new rule right?
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sudden death sucks. The new system isn’t much better. I say take the college system but put the ball at the 50 so you don’t start in fg range. If people whine about stats, then the stats don’t count, whoever “wins” the overtime gets 1 point on the scoreboard.
If people still are whining about that, just play another quarter, sudden death only works in hockey or other sports where there is no set offense and defense.
That would be great
But I can’t imagine being a fighter in that scenario. You think you’re done fighting, put on all your goofy sponsor gear, and then they tell you gotta fight another round. Would be horribly draining. Though i’m sure those tough bastards would do it anyway.
it would be kind of like K1 though
if it is a close fight, wait for the word on whether or not you’ve won or have to fight again more in the corner. If they’ve reached a decision they could notify the fighters to get ready for the announcement as usual. If not, they come out for round six
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 9, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I love the idea of sudden victory!!!!
by troyd on Jun 9, 2011 8:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
sweeeeeeet
The more fighting the better. Curious how they’ll handle late scratches and other fights getting bumped up to ME status. Dana gave us two conflicting explanations, but my guess is if its a late replacement, it will remain a 3-rounder.
Why? Because that’s my guess, and I have nothing to base it on.
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does this apply to co-main events as well? or is it strictly main?
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by Soul.T.Nuts on Jun 9, 2011 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Great news
There are fights like Machida vs Rampage that really needed five rounds. Also, and this is just my opinion, but if Rampage had two more rounds against Hamill, I think that Rampage would have gotten the finish.
I know that Dana said, “For Spike and everything else,” so does that mean Fight Night, TUF Finale, and UFC on Versus main events, or is it strictly for UFC numbered events?
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Oh great now we are going to get the if I had two more rounds
excuse from the fans and fighters who had 3 round ME.
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I'd be more impressed if
they did something along the lines of an even # of rounds format and if it was a draw they was one overtime round.
Or fix judging since that is the real problem not lack of time.
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Dang. Rashad dodged a bullet. With his tendency to get clipped in the third and wall/stall his way to the finish line. Awesome news tho. It’ll be interesting to see if guys like Guida, Fitch, Sanchez, etc. really have the endless endurance everyone thinks they do.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 9, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It's actually worse.
Now he’ll get clipped in the 3rd with a high chance of being finished in the 4th.
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Or Rampage will huff and puff his way through two more championship rounds.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 9, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh crap, Leonard Garcia better not main event anything any time soon.
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Dan Hardy vs. Chris Lytle is seriously going to be the first 5 round non-title fight
In UFC free show history.
I think they should have just kept it for the PPVs.
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by SSreporters on Jun 9, 2011 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
First draw in MMA history that was due to heart attacks
I’d rather just climb this fridge
by Riley_96 on Jun 9, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What the fuck? THIS IS A TRAVESTY!!
5 round fights are what separate the championship fights and champions from the rest. This is stupid as hell. This isn’t good for the fighters. It is more likely that they will be hurt in 5 rounder when they are tired and not as able to defend themselves. This is not good. This is a sport turning into pure spectacle. Terrible decision by the UFC who should know better.
no no no no
done and done wont be buying any PPV UNLESS ITS A championship fight would be nice if your CHAMPS FOUGHT MORE THAN 1 -2 times a yr just done will spend $30 AT bar as see it free GOOD LUCK dana
I don’t like this at all, makes Championship fights nothing more “special” except that the belt is on the line, which doesnt mean much to us viewers…
How many times do we see guys gassed in 3 round fights, and now every main event will be a 5 round fight? …. I really don’t like it, first time ever I disagree with something the UFC has done.
I don't like this
What I found awful with 5 round main events is the arbitraryness of who gets to fight 5 rounds and who gets to fight 3 rounds. This way by chosing which fight will be a main event the UFC will be able to manipulate who will get 3 rounds and who won’t on an arbitrary base. Some fighters do very well in 5 round fights and some are more suited for 3 rounds and deciding the length of a certain fight should not be up to the UFC.
Also the 5 round fights being reserved for champions added a mythical quality to them. That made the 5 round fight special and something you had to deserved and it really meant diving into the deep waters and gave the champions a slight edge since they were often the only ones who had been in them before.
I’m all for 5 round fights, but I really don’t like the distinction of “main event” or “co-main event” that’s just going to lead to people whining about the order of the cards, and I really don’t think some of the Fight Night main events should go 5 rounds. The top fighters should fight 5 rounds. If injuries or the fact that it’s a lesser card mean jabronis are in the main event, let it go 3. If there are 2 title fights on the card and another fight featuring former champions/highly ranked fighters (couture/Machida etc), let them go 5.
If this means that only top 5 fighters are main eventers, I could get used to that.
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by Rundownloser on Jun 10, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Last minute changes?
What about last minute changes to a main event like it happened to Rampage/Hamill with like a month remaining before the fight? Will those be changed to 5 rounders, too? Or will they stick to how the fight was originally planned?
This is great!
I read this first thing this morning and wanted to run around telling everybody at work whether they care or not.
Came to the comments section and was surprised to see people who can actually find something in this news to complain about….that is truly depressing.
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