Originally Scheduled for UFC 131, Brock Lesnar's MMA Future in Doubt
by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 7, 2011 1:00 PM EDT
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Nate Wilcox is doing a little editorializing over at SB Nation from time to time these days. And now, on a week that was originally supposed to be the build-up to a Brock Lesnar fight with Junior dos Santos, he is looking at the unfortunate way that we may have seen Brock's UFC career come to a close. After exploding into MMA and looking like some sort of unstoppable force (even when submitted by Mir in his first UFC bout) a bout with diverticulitis derailed the freight train.
Nate talks about the post-illness fights of Lesnar:
Sadly, diverticulitis brought Lesnar down only a couple of months after his UFC 100 triumph. Lesnar's illness serves as a painful reminder that fame based on physical prowess is a very fragile thing. He fought back from the initial diagnosis and managed to avoid surgery by changing his diet, but some say he was never the same.
While no living man can take a punch from the fearsome Shane Carwin without suffering serious consequences, many fans were shocked and worse, amused, by Lesnar's reaction at UFC 116. When Carwin touched him, Lesnar cringed and cowered. He didn't stay in the pocket and trade punches, he curled up into the fetal position against the cage. He did show incredible heart and resilience in surviving Carwin's assault and coming back to submit him in the second round, but many could not forget the first.
In his second post-illness fight, a title defense against Cain Velasquez at UFC 121, Lesnar charged Velasquez as recklessly as he had charged Mir in their first fight at UFC 81. Unfortunately for Lesnar, Velasquez was able to ride out the storm and once the tide turned it was anything but pretty.
Lesnar's loss to Velasquez wasn't just crushing, it was sad. The once feared monster of MMA tumbled and skittered across the cage like a clumsy drunk. While he gamely tried to trade blows with Velasquez, it was embarrassingly obvious that his heart wasn't in the battle and the referee stoppage couldn't come soon enough.
We've seen the TUF ratings not receive a boost from Lesnar's involvement and then the news that his diverticulitis has returned (or flared up again) and he has had a foot of his intestine removed. It's possible that the last memory we have of Lesnar is the domination at the hands of Cain Velasquez, and it's hard not to find that a little sad.
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Coming from someone who has hated on the guy ever since he started his MMA career, I can’t help but feel a little bad about how things turned out.
From the thrashing he received from Velasquez to the bouts with diverculitis, Lesnar has had it pretty rough and I for one hope he returns to form he once was.
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by andrew861 on Jun 7, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Lesnar has had it pretty rough
Aside from his illness, whoa there.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Jun 7, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
+1
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“Aside from cancer, he seems to be doing alright”
“Aside from her mother dying, she’s very happy”
Every situation ‘miraculously’ seems more positive when you add “aside from” as a preface.
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by andrew861 on Jun 7, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
my mom had the same thing as Brock
It’s not as severe as some people make it out to be. Yes, it can be fatal, but most people recover and go on to live however they did before.
Brock is rich, has a gorgeous wife and young child, and lives in exactly the kind of place where he can have the lifestyle he wants. By all appearances, he’s doing just fine.
Tune every heart and every voice,
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Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
by Anthony Pace on Jun 7, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
now i'm curious.
first off, you imply that she is now well. i hope that is the case. i hope you don’t mind sharing, but was she operated on as well? if so, how did that happen? i only ask because not many people [especially myself] fully get what it entails. thanks.
by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 7, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It happened when I was around 10 years old, so the details are a little foggy. I do know that she also had a small section of her intestine removed, and after some initial complications with bowel movements (i know, eww) she was put on some digestive medications that sorted it out, and she’s been fine ever since. Happened when she was around 41, 42 years old, and was a generally healthy adult (obviously not possessing Brock’s freak athletic genes).
Tune every heart and every voice,
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Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
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Our hearts will give while we shall live,
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I used to dislike Lesnar. However, Cain Velasquez did not just beat up Lesnar from pillar to post, but he somehow managed to beat out my dislike for Lesnar as well. I was against MMA fans saying that Lesnar is unstoppable and will be champion for a long time, and Velasquez disproved that handily.
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you probably hate the overbearing, seemingly unstoppable dudes.
i have the same thing. that’s why i fucking hate the Yankees. i’m venturing a guess that you do as well for the same reason?
by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 7, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t watch baseball actually. To be honest, there are some fighters who I just wanted to see lose to get rid of their hype, but most of the time, I am fans of the dominant fighters and champions. I was sad to see Fedor lose, and I don’t want Anderson Silva or GSP losing anytime soon. I want to see Jon Jones and Cain Velasquez be dominant champions. I really wanted to see Jake Shields lose his winning streak and he did against GSP, and I especially wanted to see Lesnar lose as well, and there are others that I feel that way. It’s just that something about the way these fighters are hyped just rubs me the wrong way.
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that's cool
i was being silly with the question anyway. sometimes some guys need to lose that shine when they start to believe their own hype or allow themselves to get drawn into it. Fedor never really had that problem, neither did Cain nor has Anderson Silva or St Pierre for that matter. the true testament of a great fighter is being able to recover from that shit. besides, the fighters don’t do the lion’s share of hyping themselves in most cases. for me, kinda hard to fault them sometimes.
by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 7, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
For me
what’s most sad about this and, especially, if he can’t come back is what we might have lost as far as growth of the sport. Love him or hate him he brought so many extra eyes to MMA and that can only be a good thing.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 7, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It's hard to know
In my personal experience, he translated to huge interest but the people ONLY watched his fights and didn’t come back for the other events.
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A lot of people look at 100 and that 1.6mm number and attribute it to Brock but that card was so stacked and it was a milestone event. His more recent fights have been around 1.1-1.2, still damn good and more of a draw than anyone else currently. But, Toronto is coming in at around 1mm. I think that is tue current ceiling. Brock likely would have hovered around there for JDS. The short way of saying he currently would draw most of an audience that might buy a PPV, even if they only buy a couple a year.
Initiative comes to thems that wait.
by memitim on Jun 7, 2011 1:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think his fight with JDS would’ve been <1 mill because of the Velasquez evisceration and it not being a title fight.
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Yeah, you might be right. It would have been a good bellwether as to what his real drawing power is.
Initiative comes to thems that wait.
by memitim on Jun 7, 2011 1:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't have been surprised if it did around UFC 87 numbers
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Our hearts will give while we shall live,
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As soon as Brock lost, instead of becoming a fan of the sport, his fans just changed the channel and moved onto the next fad. The TUF ratings prove that.
by NoHo on Jun 7, 2011 3:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
thats nonsense
Because Brock lost the first time he stepped into the octagon. UFC 87, 91, 100 and 116’s numbers all prove you very very wrong
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 7, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Losing a fight with a controversial standup he was dominating in his debut to a former champion
and pissing himself as he ran away in terror, begging for mercy aint exactly the same are they?
Lesnar is no longer a mega draw.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 7, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Buyrates still prove that theory wrong. Shit on the man all you want but Brock sells ppv better than anyone else in the company. Sorry that goes against your anti Lesnar narrative.
And dont come up in here spouting off repeating Don Frye’s drunk ass sloppy seconds. Be original.
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 8, 2011 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't be name dropping Don Frye like he is someone you knew existed in 2008
Look, I know Brock got you into MMA like two years ago, and he is your fav fighter and all that as you said, but I gots some seriously bad news. There have been no Brock PPVs since he was last seen fleeing for terror, begging for mercy. I know you’ve spent countless hours rewatching every match and fight of his since, but it is starting to blur together in your mind. I would advise you seek the advice of a mental health professional for your delusions. Indeed, sometimes I detect a slight sexual overtone with the way you approach Lesnar too.
Now, lets pretend you’re saying things that resemble something that makes sense AND worth replying to here. Both are stretches, but fuck it, I’ll play. Tyson, ODLH, Ortiz, Liddell and Roy Jones Jr were all PPV draws that watched their star rise and fall with their reputation as fighters. Lesnar’s reputation is trashed after the Cain fight. After Carwin, Lesnar’s draw remained because he showed some moxie to weather the storm and come back and win the fight, but the first round of that bout taken with the embarrassing emasculating performance against Cain has utterly destroyed his aura of Hulk Smash invincibility. No one buys into that nonsense anymore. His reputation as a fighter is trashed and he is damaged goods. He is no longer the Ultimate draw people think he is. It was great while it lasted, but TUF’s ratings being a joke coupled with the lay offs and career defining assrapings he last took in the cage have ended his run as a million buy seller. Unlike a Liddell or Tyson, he doesn’t have a ton of KO highlights either to fall back on marketing wise. I am sure he could still sell 500-650k possibly, but he is not sniffing a million again without a dominating performance over a contender.
GSP is the UFC’s biggest star.
Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 8, 2011 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions
The only reason I started to watch MMA was to see Brock Lesnar.
Now I watch every damn fight possible and post here way too much with all of you.
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 7, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think its over
He may not have been a TUF draw, but people will still pay to watch him fight, which means Dana will still pay to have him fight. If he recovers from this round of treatment, and hunts for a few months, I expect he might get back in the mood to answer Dana’s phone calls. Just my gut, but I really don’t think we’ve seen the last of him in the cage.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
Its just going to be hard to coming in a stacked division in 2012
With the Strikeforce HW’s coming over i just dont know if he can make it…
They say he’s healing fast from the surgery but i wouldnt think it would be a bad idea to stay out to 2012 and work on his standup and standup defense… but thats just my opinion.
The HW division always has been and will continue to be very top heavy even after a merger
Now Brock might never reach the very top again but people should really take a look at the BE/USAT rankings before they write Brock off. This is a division where Frank Mir is #8, Big Nog is #10, Roy Nelson is #12, Brett Roger is #15, and Pedro Rizzo is #17.
Oh yeah i understand
I think he can come back and get another tittle shot maybe not win it but atleast he’ll be back
Frank Mir isn’t as bad of a fighter as people make him out to be, but the rest of the fighters you mentioned, I agree with your point.
GSP - A machine designed specifically to stop Jon Fitch from ever becoming champion.
Frank always gets sold short
He’s been legit top-5 to top-10 for half a decade
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
by Anthony Pace on Jun 7, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
aside from the very start of his "comeback" of course
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
this is just basically having a shot at brock purely to stir up some drama with your name attached to it,dana said he had very successful surgery and a person with a drive to succeed like brock his coming back is more likely then your reasoning that he wont be.
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by underrated ground game on Jun 7, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
boring,its an empty article that does not have any actual new information
by Paul Roche on Jun 7, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So basically you didn't read it
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by Krimson on Jun 7, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve read it twice now and I didn’t find any new information or opinions/ viewpoints. It nearly pronounces Brock finished, when we haven’t heard anything like that from him or his people.
This article just seems reason to stir up some conversation, which is fine with me.
Brock sticking out 2012 is an excellent idea. Maybe he should move to Thailand for a bit of it. That or Brazil, because with Werdum, Silva and AO coming over he’s probably going to need to step up his sub-defense.
by Schwizzles on Jun 7, 2011 2:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
gross
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
We’ve seen the TUF ratings not receive a boost from Lesnar’s involvement
This such a silly comment. People don’t pay to see Lesnar on a reality TV show. They pay to see him fight.
The same thing applies to Pacquiao. He consistently does over 1 million PPV buys for his fights, but he doesn’t move the meter when he does talk show appearances on Kimmel, etc. When Pacquiao went on Kimmel before the Antonio Margarito fight, Kimmel’s rating for the episode was a 1.7 which was down .1 from the show the day before and after it (Kimmel averages a 2.0).
TUF is different than Kimmel and is targeted to the same exact audience Lesnar PPV buyers
During Lesnar’s peak in popularity a TUF with him would have done likely record ratings.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 7, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It wouldn't have
because Spike/UFC was never going to get Lesnar to feud with another coach like Rashad and Rampage did. Even if they paired him up with Frank Mir, Lesnar would have been restrained. The fallacy about TUF is the ratings are connected to the coaches, but it isn’t. It’s connected to how good the fights are on the show and the drama the fighters create in the house (Junie Brown = ratings gold)
Lesnar vs Mir before the lost would have been a monster
Be real.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 7, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
loss*
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 7, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
also, if you look at Kimmel's ratings
his audience and target audience is the same as Spike’s: males 18-49, especially, males 18-35
but they aint the boxing buying audience
Where as TUF watchers are the exact same human beings that click BUY on their on-demand screen.
Clay Guida ensured that I’m now & forever wrxdonkey’s bitch.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 7, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
again, another fallacy
if you look at the ratings for HBO’s 24/7 show, the core audience is the same as TUF, men 18-49 and they are being asked to buy the PPV at the end of the series. Boxing’s general audience tends to be older than MMA’s but boxers like Pacquaio and Mayweather are the exception and they drawn in the younger crowds
Wow. Just just wow
That is a huge demographic that most sports and male oriented programming falls under. Right now boxing is more niche than Mma. Tuf is a show aimed at and responsible largely for the current fanbase. A late night talk show on a net work which shows no boxing is not aimed at boxing fans at all, where tuf is a ppv sales pitch. Youre comparing Apples to Mortal Kombat fatalities here dude.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 7, 2011 2:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Manny Pacquaio is going on Kimmel
to promote his fight to the same audience that may or may not buy it a month later. People are not interested in hearing him talk. They are only interested in seeing him fight. Which brings me back to my main pain, which was the low ratings for this season of TUF does not mean Lesnar’s drawing power has diminished. TUF ratings does not have any indication of PPV draw power
That is a huge demographic that most sports and male oriented programming falls under.
Also, in terms of marketing and TV ratings, this is how ratings demographics are broken down. Males 18-49 are the age group everyone wants with Males 18-35 being the most coveted. This is also how ratings demos are broken down by Neilsen. Examples of other tv demos: K2-11, K6-11, Tweens 9-14, etc
It's a niche show made for hardcore fans vs. Jimmy Kimmel with his own audience and maybe some people might know Pac is on that night
Its two totally different things. One is endemic and one is non-endemic.
by Papercut Elbow on Jun 7, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No kidding?
That is a gigantic demographic. Kimmel fans may or may not be boxing fans at all. Kimmel isn’t a boxing show and a one night appearance probably wasn’t even well known in the boxing community. This is in no way an analogue to a show designed specifically for the target audience of MMA PPV buyers. The fact no one cared about Lesnar as a coach indicates the over all interest level has declined since he lost. His draw was based on the now completely defunct notion he was this unbeatable super man. He is absolutely damaged goods and his next buyrate will be well shy of the million standard he was pulling. Well shy.
Clay Guida ensured that I’m now & forever wrxdonkey’s bitch.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 7, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't understand your point
TUF rating did not recieve a boost.
I am Genuinely going to miss Macho Man Randy Savage. RIP
that is my point
Lesnar not delivering ratings on TUF does not equal his PPV drawing power is gone/diminished
Yes it does.
No matter how many ridiculous Kimmel stats you post.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 7, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Your comments are just stupid at this point
There is zero correlating evidence that suggests that Lesnar is no longer a draw on PPV. ZERO.
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How is it possible someone who has full use of their brain and hasn't suffered some form of concussion induced TBI can come to believe
that the worst draw in TUF history is still the biggest draw for the UFC. How in the flying fuck would that ever make sense? Even on it’s own merit it is ridiculous, but Lesnar was only a draw when people were duped into thinking he was this unstoppable comic book monster. Him fleeing for his life two fights in a row and collapsing in a pool of urine in the corner, huddled in the corner in terror has eroded that notion forever, and with a dearth of KO highlights to fall back on and just a hand full of actual fights, there is no way Lesnar can be sold as a monster anymore. He isn’t a monster and everyone knows it. To think his PPV status would be the same in light of all this evidence is beyond stupid.
What is also stupid is creating straw men arguments as you’ve done here Worldisart. Like I said in the TUF thread, not being a “draw” and not being the UFC’s biggest megastar are two separate things. I am sure Lesnar PPVs would still do good numbers but they aint sniffing a million buys. Not even close. I didn’t say he wasn’t a draw, I said he isn’t the million dollar powerhouse he once was. ODLH, Roy Jones Jr, Liddell, Ortiz and Tyson stopped being mega draws too. It happens. It has absolutely happened to Lesnar and to argue there is no correlating evidence simply because he hasn’t fought since he was once a draw is pretty ridiculous.
World I don’t really know anything about you but I seem to remember you making it a habit of responding to me out of some personal beef you have for whatever unknown reason. Please do not do that, or if you do want to engage in pissing contests, think things out a little better before calling me stupid. I am here to be friendly and chat, but if you wanna play grab ass, bring your fucking A game son. Served.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 7, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine, you can go with the last HBO 24/7 numbers for Pacquaio
which averaged 300k viewers per episode (which is a show marketed to boxing fans) and he still had a PPV draw well over 1 million. People don’t want to watch fighters coach other fighters or train, they want to watch them fight
what does that show do otherwise for non pacman fights?
only way that data means anything at all to this discussion.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 7, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Here are the last few 24/7 for boxing
Oscar De La Hoya vs. Manny Pacquiao
Ricky Hatton vs. Manny Pacquiao
Floyd Mayweather vs. Juan Manuel Marquez
Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto
Floyd Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley
Manny Pacquiao vs. Antonio Margarito
All averaged around 300k viewership and all the ppv buyrates were 850k+ with the majority of them being over 1 mil ppv buys
so the viewership was the same then and most of these fights were also big mega fights
where as the viewership for TUF has declined with Lesnar. I don’t see how these numbers help your argument. Do you really think Lesnar is still a million plus draw? Like really?
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 7, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you really think Lesnar is still a million plus draw? Like really?
Yes, because he is polarizing. You either want to see him return successfully or you want to see him get his assed kicked again. Plus a second “miracle” return to the sport is going to help again. I will say that if he loses his comeback fight, his drawing power will then go down
I disagree for the above stated reasons.
Lesnar wasn’t a draw because people identified with him or loved him or because they hated him either. Some of that helped, but that wasn’t what made him the draw he was. People thought he was a monster ready to crush someone. He isn’t a mega draw anymore.
Nate – do Lesnar articles still get as many hits as they used to?
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 7, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't this old news?
We all know about the diverticulitis. We know about the surgery, We know that Dana said he was already eating solid food again, a week after the surgery, but what is the point of this article? There is nothing new, or newsworthy in it. Sorry, just my opinion. I read the article thinking something new had come out.
it's called commentary and analysis
not news.
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you never merit a mention!!!
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
by Anthony Pace on Jun 7, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't this an old post?
It provides no new analysis to the article. We already know that this article contains basically a recap of stuff we already know. There is nothing new, or post worthy. Sorry just my opinion.
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 7, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
fine see if I mock some cunty criticism of you next time!
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 7, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ha! I see what you did.
I've got something to say; it better to burn out than to fade away!!!
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by Urijah Bieber on Jun 7, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder how many fans will take to the "what if's" of Lesnar's career and blame his exit from the top on his condition and not the fact he is in no way a well rounded fighter
With or without the condition I don’t think Lesnar would have been around much longer.
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I dunno
re-watching all his fights for the article I concluded that he definitely came back from the initial illness as a much less poised and confident fighter.
He wasn’t rushing against Herring and Couture and even if they don’t hit as hard as Carwin, they still hit pretty dang hard.
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I don't think he ever could have handled Carwin or Cain or likely JDS
Yes he beat Carwin once, but that result honestly has 1 out of 10 chance of happening if the fight was staged simultaneously in ten multiverses. We happened to be in the one universe where Lesnar actually wins. And those guys were danced around him for as long as possible by the UFC. He was never the best HW in the world, much less the UFC, and the idea he had an unblockable takedown that lead to an unsubmittable top game was one of the strangest fictions in the history of the sport. Illness or not, a few knockouts and he’d be looking for the door imo. If he wasn’t sick he’d have lost a bunch of fights by now and would be moving on to his next endeavor.
Clay Guida ensured that I’m now & forever wrxdonkey’s bitch.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 7, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
in ten multiverses
Think big.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
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by Drunken cutman on Jun 7, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Urijah Bieber is Matt Horwich!!!
it explains so much!
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
Ew
Clay Guida ensured that I’m now & forever wrxdonkey’s bitch.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 7, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I can go with Cain & Shane beating him a good bit, but until Junior proves his worth off his back I’m not adding him to that list. Has anyone who has faced JDS even attempted a TD? We’ll see this weekend if Shane decides to go that route, but I don’t get why everyone thinks JDS is unbeatable. He’s not unbeatable, he’s unproven.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
Gonzaga took him down, but he got straight back up.
"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna
Gonzaga's taken a few people down who could get up
His ability to pin someone down shouldn’t be confused with that of a high level wrestler no matter how good his top game BJJ might be.
i dont know about that Kj.
It’s just different. Its not like Brock never let heath herring up. The only people Brock has ever held down are , Mir 1/2 ,gassed Carwin, and the dude he fought in K1 hero’s.
Gonzoga has held three fighters down too.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 7, 2011 4:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Weren't Gonzaga's BJJ accomplishments mainly in gi anyway?
That rather changes the nature of top control.
"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna
Let's not forget this diverticulitis is essentially self inflicted
No one deserves to suffer from an ailment like this, but for an athlete who has competed at a high level for decades dating back to his scholastic wrestling career how could he not know the importance of a balanced diet that included fiber?
Lesnar is unfortunately paying for his ignorance and / or stupidity.
Too much red meat...
"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna
Chael?
"Every time I talk on the phone with someone who doesn’t know me, they call me "ma’am"." .....cut to a couple months later....... "You can alter that sig now. I spoke with someone I know on the phone and she repeatedly addressed me as a female. Fuck." - Scott C. Broussard
by Earl Montclair on Jun 7, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure the illness changed Brock.
Up until then, I’m sure he felt he was invincible. Whether he deserved the illness due to his own stupidity or not, doesn’t change the fact that he came back a different fighter after it.
Did Dana not say Brock might be back in the first part of 2012?
Could’ve sworn that Brock had a successful surgery recently and was hoping to be back early next year.
Did I miss something here?
Is this based on any new developments, or is it just speculation by a BE writer? We already knew he had part of his GI tract removed, did anyone come forward and say that his future was in doubt, or what?
I woulda handled that business for you
but I didn’t feel like getting smacked down for my trouble again. Meany.
Clay Guida ensured that I’m now & forever wrxdonkey’s bitch.
by Urijah Bieber on Jun 7, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t mean to be cunty either, but grammatically this title sounds like Brock Lesnar’s future being in doubt was originally scheduled for UFC 131.
Fucking BRILLIANT
This may be the subject matter of my first fanpost.
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-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Jun 7, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
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