TUF 13 Finale: Chris Cope Should Get Another Opportunity, But Not In the UFC
This is a guest post by Josh Nason.
I'm all for giving fighters an opportunity to succeed, but there are times when promotions have to be realistic with what they're working with. At Saturday's The Ultimate Fighter 13 finale, there were plenty of those reality checks and to me, none more so than Chris Cope.
Cope, a TUF semifinalist, made his Octagon debut to kick off the live telecast and outworked Chuck O'Neil to earn a fairly one-sided unanimous decision. With the win, Cope climbed to 5-1 and likely earned another look in the UFC. However, he shouldn't....at least not yet.
If you compare the UFC to other major sports organizations, they are the equivalent of MLB for baseball, the NBA for basketball, etc. That may seem like a 'duh' statement but I've felt like over the past few years that the desire to put on more events has resulted in Joe Silva bringing in talent that just simply isn't upper echelon level. The UFC shouldn't have room for average fighters, but perhaps that's the reality of their landscape today.
A tricky part for Silva and company has been what to do with inexperienced fighters they want to hold onto, but that need more experience against guys at their level. Ideally, the UFC would have a minor league system so those with single digits in overall fights can go at it without being thrown to the sharks, allowing for growth while also enabling Zuffa to secure top prospects. Luckily, the glut of regional promotions has filled that void but with TUF alums, it can create a conundrum for retaining talent and giving them a fair playing field to evolve their talents on.
Saturday, Cope took advantage of his opportunity and took home a win, but no one should think that he's UFC-ready. He beat a fellow regional-level fighter in O'Neil, not a UFC veteran, in a bout put together strictly because they were on the reality show. With six total fights and considering his experience level, there's no logical next opponent for Cope but the UFC likely wants to hold onto him just in case they found a diamond in the rough. If this was a clear blue-chip stud, that would be one thing but Cope is far from that, at least today.
What to do? Enter Strikeforce.
Needless to say, Zuffa's new California-based toy needs help. Their top fighters are all looking for big-money opportunities in the UFC and for years, their roster has needed to deepen with talent that fans both know and want to see fight. At 170 pounds, Strikeforce is paper-thin and their listed roster at welterweight proves it. When James Terry, Erik Apple and Nate Moore are among your 16 men listed, you simply need some more talent. You need guys like Chris Cope.
By inking Cope to a Strikeforce deal, Scott Coker and matchmaker Sean Shelby would benefit from having a charismatic guy on their roster and someone that has some mainstream familiarity from TUF. Pre-Zuffa purchase, I was baffled why Strikeforce didn't jump on the opportunity to sign more TUF alums for that recognizability aspect alone. With Cope, it'd be the perfect opportunity to keep someone in the Zuffa family that isn't UFC-level ready.
For Cope, learning the ropes of major-level MMA in a slightly less intense atmosphere wouldn't be the worst thing in the world either. Fighting in front of 2000 at the Palms is different than being on the undercard of a PPV at the MGM Grand Garden, especially when it's likely against someone more experienced that you. Let Cope play in a smaller sandbox, see what he can do and when the time comes for the eventual merger after 2012, you could have a familiar face ready to be in the UFC welterweight mix. If not, at least they gave him the opportunity to succeed at a level he's qualified to be at.
I would even suggest they do the same for Ramsey Nijem, who at 4-2 needs more fights but not at the top level of the sport. Considering his run on the show, Nijem might even have more upside than Cope but let him develop that without being thrown to the wolves. Who knows? You could even build to a Nijem/Cope fight if the chips fell in the right places.
It's time the UFC starts being more stringent about who can call themselves 'UFC fighters', helping increase match quality, create deeper shows and put more emphasis on the fact that when people are seeing the UFC brand, they are getting the very best. With Strikeforce, they have the opportunity to send these guys over to help bolster roster depth and potentially create some new stars in the process.
The Octagon shouldn't be the place you go when you need to figure it out. Rather, it should be the place you go when you're ready to compete among the very best. Fighters like Cope and Nijem aren't there yet and only should be if it's the right thing to do and they're qualified to be there.
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Agree 100%
As for pre-Zuffa Strikeforce not picking up TUF talent, isn’t there enough of a stigma of Strikeforce fighters being UFC cast offs and rejects without Coker going out and picking up a bunch of UFC, ummm, cast offs and rejects?
Agreed, but
All that fight proved to me was that Chuck O’Neil had no business being any where near the Octogon unless he bought a front row ticket.
He looked terrible and Cope battered him.
I think Chris Cope deserves another chance in the Octagon, and we can see how he does against better fighters. He defiantly looked like he improved drastically since the show finished, and i think he was very entertaining.
You may be right that these guys aren’t exactly READY for the Octogon, but until they change up TUF and bring some good prospects in, I expect fighters that are on the show to get special treatment.
Sheeeeeeeee-it
totally agree about O'Niel
but can’t agree that Cope “battered” him.
Cope’s style seemed so reminiscent to me of taekwondo point-fighting that i was bored out of my mind. neither one of those guys had any business being on national TV.
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by bobthewriter on Jun 6, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I enjoyed it
Thought his style was good for the match up and threw O’Neil off his game.
I liked to actually see someone try a few different techniques rather than the same old.
But to each their own, we can agree to disagree.
Battered may not have been the best word :)
Sheeeeeeeee-it
eh, i can see
why you used battered. Chuck’s a bleeder — sort of like Chuck Wepner — so i think he looks worse than he should.
i do think Cope fought a smart fight, but i really felt like he knew he was up on the cards and didn’t try to push any harder than he had to. i don’t mind a decision if i see guys are trying to finish — just never got that sense from Cope.
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by bobthewriter on Jun 6, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
hell yah
The show is amazing.
Love the last season. I was sad to see the show end. Easily my favorite show HBO made. Nothing even compares to it.
Sheeeeeeeee-it
I was also bored to tears by that fight.. it just lacked any nerve, it was like a light sparring session between two guys who aren’t very good. Luckily I watched it on delay (sort of), after half the fight I just fast-forwarded to the next.
by Horselover Fat on Jun 6, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
why is it
impossible for them to adjust the TUF contracts so they’re not so awful? If they want to feature their best prospects why not loosen the contract options so they can make TUF attractive to the very best?
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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 6, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Is that what is holding them back? I was under the impression it was because spike was in control of picking the fighters?
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jun 6, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Andre Galvo, Karl Amoussou, and Zak Cummings all tried out
And didn’t make it. I think its more of who Zuffa/Spike allows on the show.
those guys all have issues
good as they are, none of them are what I’d call a top prospect at this point. No, they’re veterans looking for a second chance. Still would much rather have seen them on the show than the crew we got.
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none of them are what I’d call a top prospect at this point.
Galvao is greener than most of the BE reader’s minds, but he’s still more talented, more accomplished and has more potential than majority of the guys they let in the show.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 6, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Amoussou and Cummings are 185ers
They were cast originally, but dropped when the middleweight half of the show was dropped. Seems like a good reason to me.
But seriously
I thought the consensus view was the TUF was the UFC’s way of keeping the brand on Spike and wasn’t a serious contender/prospect show anymore?
You still see some prospects come through. Just not many the last 2 years
Nelson, Shaub,Mitrione, Nick Ring, Court McGee and Kyle Noke and Tony Ferguson are all UFC level-ish guys.
Other than that though, the last 4 season’s has been pretty light on legitimate fighters.
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I'd like to see another season like season 4
I liked watching higher level vets in the TUF environment. Plus Serra and Lutter both put on really good performances when they got their shots.
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Nelson is not UFCish
He’s legit. I wish people would stop shitting on him. I say he should fight Kongo just so he can win and people to accept the fact that while he may not be contending for the HW title, he is in fact UFC level.
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by The Lethal Haze on Jun 6, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
but why waste all that precious camera time
on guys who will be 2 and done in the UFC when the promotion is stocked to the brim with guys like Story, Ellenberger, Pierce and Foster — legit badasses who will be threatening for the title very soon and yet no one can tell them apart.
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To be perfectly honest. And I know this is way less appealing to the average fan. But I wish they had a show (instead of spike) that every week or month whatever went to a dif camp and just focused on a few guys from those camps. You know it would be nice for an average fan to get to know a guy like jake ellenberger before he fought gsp.
Don’t know, just a dream I guess. But my favorite parts of tuf (other than fights, and sometimes those are trash) is seeing the guys train. And I think it would be cool to go around to dif camps and see how they run things differently.
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by HERZ on Jun 6, 2011 7:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
so true
WW is completely stacked. i think it has the most complete mixed martial artists of any weight class (although LW is great too).
LHW gets all the attention, but I think WW is even deeper.
They do loosen them sometimes
Kimbo had a different contract with higher pay then the rest of his season
They do have a minor league system
It’s called the bottom of the undercard.
by The Burning Scheyer Jersey on Jun 6, 2011 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
And that helps more legit fighters
Now a guy like Johny Hendricks can make a name off tkoing Chris Cope. Nothing wrong with that.
Dont put them in Strikeforce. Noone wants to watch that. Who will watch strikeforce if it admittedly says hey were a feeder system full of nobodies without much skill..
Ive seen better fights on Bellator and Strikeforce. Lets be real some TUF guys are crappy fighters who needed a foot in the door and Spike felt they were marketable in some way for a reality tv show, they took low money for a chance to be in the UFC. I feel a lot of other guys would like to take it slower build up their skills take on fights on regionals or even other major promotions and one day have enough skills to leverage to get a decent contract. Do i see Chris Cope being champion one day? NO. Gatekeeper? NO. Putting on good fights people will want to watch? NO.
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by Wrestling Uber Alles on Jun 6, 2011 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Rec-whoring.
For shame.
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by lowellthehammer on Jun 6, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I have none
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by Wrestling Uber Alles on Jun 6, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
They have to atleast give them a chance
to try. The UFC can’t look at most fighters and tell if they are good enough they have to take them for a test drive. To me none of this seasons TUF fighters should be in the UFC WW division maybe if Tony drops to LW(which I think he mentioned) he has a chance but I don’t even think he’s good enough for that.
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They do have a check and balance system
If you win, you stay. If you lose, you might get cut.
It’s way more arbitrary to say, “Well this guy doesn’t LOOK like UFC-level talent…” after he just won a fight in the UFC, than it is to give him another fight because he won.
I don’t think he’s that great either, but since he’s already in the UFC, let’s let him lose in the UFC before we start talking about whether on not he belongs there..
by d.rok on Jun 6, 2011 10:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
That's what I'm saying.
If they win in the UFC they atleast have to give them another chance even if people on the internet think they aren’t good enough.
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Yea, but now the UFC either has to choose to let these guys loose 2 straight fights, drop them and then let everyone else catch on that TUF isn’t producing legit threat fighters…
Or they go out and fight more mid-level regional fighters who might make guys like Chris Cope, Tony Ferguson or Ramsey Nijem look good.
Except he won a UFC fight against someone who wasn't truly in the UFC.
If he went out and beat someone not from TUF it would be different
I was pretty annoyed by Copes wooh-ing lol
The first few times I was like, oh cool he’s fired up, I can dig that. Then it went on, and on, and on like an annoying drunk…
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because they didn't want to be seen as a low quality feeder league.
Pre-Zuffa purchase, I was baffled why Strikeforce didn’t jump on the opportunity to sign more TUF alums for that recognizability aspect alone.
They also had a rule that they wouldn’t get any fighter who just gut cut by the UFC.
As opposed to...
…a low drawing organization that people wished was more UFC-like? You can’t tell me that Challenger series wouldn’t have been better with some of the top TUF finishers.
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I wasn't opposing what you said, or your points,
that’s really just what Strikeforce thinks pre-zuffa purchase. They had a general rule that they wouldn’t sign recent cuts from the UFC unless they won a few bouts. TUF alums who got cut are also in this group that they didn’t want to touch.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 7, 2011 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Cope isn't good and I hate his stupid face.
He’ll be cannon fodder for any legit WW or he’ll face some other TUF scrubs and stick around for a little bit before being fed to the wolves. Either way he’s not going to (and shouldn’t) be a permanent fixture in any upper-tier MMA org, including SF.
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by lowellthehammer on Jun 6, 2011 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
These things have a way of working themselves out
As soon as he runs into even mid-tier talent he’s gonna get shredded.
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by Dave Strummer on Jun 6, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
totally agreed!
UFC needs to get rid of a lot of TUF alumni. they just don’t belong in the ufc and they clog up spots that could be going to exciting prospects, which are instead going to bellator.
tuf guys in SF is win/win. it helps that promotion (which will have to exist for a little while) and it frees up spots in the ufc.
This makes no sense.
When has the UFC ever not signed someone because they have to many fighters? TUF guys are not taking up spots from anyone. If there is a prospect they want they will sign them if they can. I don’t think they are like well we can sign that guy because his spot is taken up by a TUF guy.
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not sure what to say to this
neither you nor i have any knowledge why the UFC doesn’t sign someone. they just … don’t sign them.
it is distressing to me to see high level prospects in HW get signed by smaller promotions while, say, james mcsweeney gets signed after the show.
as for “number of spots” – the UFC only has a certian number of events a year, and each one only has a certain number of fights. that means that their roster can only hold a certain number of fighters.
every prospect that goes to bellator (or, before, strikeforce) is potentially tied up for a very long period of time. i’m not sure how the ufc handles this, but surely having dozens of medicore fighters on their roster can’t help.
Like who?
Outside of the guys from this season (who, I’m sure will be gone sooner then later), the UFC does a pretty good job of figuring out which fighters to keep around.
Plus, the UFC doesn’t go to a guy like Hector Lombard and say “well since we still have CB Dollaway, we can’t sign you…”. If the UFC wanted to sign a guy like him (before his championship clause) they could/would.
Plus outside of a handful of fighters, Bellator doesn’t really have that many “prosects”. The Pitbull Brothers, Cole Konrad, Askren, Joe Warren and Michael Chandler is about the majority of “prosepcts” that have potential to be really good.
Then there are the guys like Lombard, Alvarez, Hornbuckle and Jay Heiron who were already known commodities before Bellator.
I feel that Bellator has many “prospects” especially in the lighter weight classes. One thing that should be considered is that many of these fighters are still very young and have the potential to get much better. I can see fighters like Luis Nogueira, Jose Vega, Zack Makovsky, Ronnie Mann, Joe Soto, Daniel Straus, Pat Curran, Dan Hornbuckle, Brent Weedman, etc (I don’t want to name more) becoming very good in the future especially since many are still very young but fight at a relatively high level early in their MMA careers.
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Fair enough
But if the UFC went out and signed these guys, we’d likely be saying the same thing about them as we are about the TUF guys.
I think letting them develop, and get a few fights against better then low level fighters, then hope the UFC signs them to fight is the best way to let these “prospects” develop.
if you look at the top prospects lists
put out by this website, i believe a few of those people have already signed with bellator. i don’t have names for you now.
it’s lame to me to think that bellator will get some of the highest regarded prospects for a long period of time, while chris cope could be in the ufc.
I know what you mean. It’s not just Chris Cope, it’s also Harvison and Bailey that are now in the UFC, and as much as I like him, I don’t think Cody McKenzie from another season of TUF is UFC caliber. I think though that part of that is these prospects’ management to fight in Bellator as Bellator has the talent pool where most of these fighters are around the same level. The pay in Bellator is good too especially for fighters who advance in the tournaments. However, I would love to see the Pitbull brothers, Ronnie Mann, Michael Chandler, etc in the UFC and feel they are easily UFC caliber fighters.
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I felt the same way towards Cody McKenzie
Some of these fighters coming out of TUF that didn’t win it are clearly not UFC caliber fighters yet. Someone like Cody McKenzie really doesn’t belong in the cage with a veteran like Yves Edwards so early in his MMA career. Ramsey Nijem and Chris Cope should in my opinion be fighting in the Strikeforce Challengers Series where there are more fighters with that level of skill.
Honestly, I’m glad that Strikeforce did not sign these TUF alums for just name value. There really is no upside to doing this as while these fighters were on TUF and seen on tv, I highly doubt that they would drive higher ratings. They did not win on TUF, and many of these contestants are largely forgettable and generally fight at a low level.
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Alot of these fighters should be chucked to the SF Challengers series
i dont think TUF will ever recreate the hot prospect graduation of fighters like rashad, forrest and at one point the dean of mean, even koscheck, sanchez, all these fighters are legit UFC fighters now.
They need to make a Grand Prix Tournament format since its 2 rounds, and involve several coaches representing a gym, the coaches train one or two specific fighters who are part of the gym and may the best Gym win!
its a great idea, brings publicity and money to the winning gym and the fighter who wins will have show he deserves to be in the UFC.
Already
Cope already has a fight in strikeforce right before he was on tuf and he won….but I don’t care much for the guy
Why the hate on Chris Cope?
He actually looked pretty decent. He certainly put a hurting on O’Neil. If I were to direct my anger at something, it would be that Clay Harvison is a UFC fighter. He looked like absolute garbage on the show, getting choked out by Ramsey in like a minute.
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I would like to say, Watch this video
and listen to Cope’s ATTITUDE. It’s the type of attitude that will get you can get you wins in the UFC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q55JEYtJdao&feature=player_embedded
What they're doing is
letting Bellator and other lower tier organizations do the work for them. Why sign a National Wrestling Champion or something like that to fight in the best MMA organization in the world without experience ? They’re letting others build up the fighters before they sign them.

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