Mike Fagan Blasts Joe Rogan Unfairly
Sorry Mike, out of all the BE staff I find myself agreeing with you most often, but this time you are pretty far off base. I don't agree with pretty much any of the details or supporting arguments in your piece, and most certainly not with what seems to be the thesis of "Joe Doesn't Understand/Represents the UFC whenever he opens his mouth". I think Joe understands completely, the lack of understanding seems to lie... elsewhere.
You hold Rogan up to the standards of ethical journalism when all he was doing was posting on an internet forum, "The Underground", (not "The Mainstream"). There is quite the difference between an off the cuff rant on the UG and doing a piece for ESPN.com or even BE. I find it hard to believe you don't feel the same way.
"Joe Rogan returned to the Underground to discuss his use of some choice words for Yahoo! MMA blogger Maggie Hendricks. I think Joe, in an attempt to explain himself, digs himself into a deeper hole here, as it seems that he doesn't understand why he came under fire."- Fagan
I would say Joe understands all too well why he is "coming under fire", and that is because of over conservative zealotry typically resulting in this type of blowback whenever a public figure uses a bad word. I can't find a single instance where Joe seems confused at all about why all these people have their collective panties in a bunch. The fact that so many weak ass b*tches (male and female, I'm all about equal opportunity) find issue with what was said is what he finds alarming- The fact that so many W.A.B.'s grabbed onto this thing and propogated it in a negative light. I can see it now: "Did you hear what Joe Rogan said about this woman's writing? tsk, mmmmhmmm." Imagine one of those ghetto snap/headshake combos to accompany that one, if you will.
But confused? Joe? I really don't think so.
"However, the game changes when we enter the world of fight sport and interacting with the media. Joe, whether he wants to admit it or not, acts as a representative of the UFC."- Fagan
This is where you and I disagree. First of all, Joe was not interacting with any part of the media, he was posting on a fringe website forum. A forum for fighters and fans, not "The Media". Your tone suggests that the UG should be considered on par with MMA Live or Inside MMA. Really? Considering the cesspool of vulgarity that is the UG comments section I would think that this would be the last place Mike Fagan would consider as a credible media source. The UG news section perhaps, but an un-moderated internet forum?
His post was addressed to the members of the forum who were active in that particular thread, not Maggie Hendricks herself. There was no instance of Joe looking at Maggie and saying "You're a c*nt, your writing is c*nty,and frankly all I can think of when I look at you is C*NT." You have to remain cognizant of your environment, right? Joe was perfectly cognizant, he knew exactly where he was and who would be reading. I think it's you who is a little confused about where things like the UG comments section sits in our "environment".
I posit that the environment in question is located in a very specific societal sphere of influence than what you would suggest. To keep it simple we can call them "Fringe" and "Mainstream". In the Mainstream we have things like Wal-Mart, ESPN, The Morning Paper and basically anything that won't frighten Grandma or little Suzie and Timmy. In the Fringe? Hmmm, let's say 2 Guy's With Pipes, HDNET, The Joe Rogan Experience, and anything you or I would consider a good time on a Saturday night (Including UFC PPV's). The UG is firmly entrenched in the Fringe, without a doubt.
My point is that it's a little unfair to force Joe to be a represenative of the UFC 100% of the time. If he doesn't have a UFC mic in his hand then he has the right to say or do whatever he wants as long as it doesn't harm anyone. And to say Hendricks was harmed by this in any way is ridiculous. If anything she has her name out like it never has before, and she has Joe to thank for that, not her own sh*tty writing.
Anyone who thinks he is over the line in anyway with this mild little opinion of his needs to go check out his podcast, and listen to him discuss DMT, Mushrooms, smoking weed everyday, gorilla f*cking Mrs. Rogan and then move on to UFC discussions for half an hour without skipping a beat. We haven't heard one little peep from this site or any others regarding "He should watch what he says on the podcast he IS the UFC." And the podcast has been going for over a year now. A tad inconsistent in the Witch Hunting, no?
But the real kicker for me? Comparing what Joe wrote to standing up in a NAACP meeting and dropping some N-Bombs? So, NAACP = UG Forum.
C'mon son.
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Good post. Agree with everything except the 1st half of the 1st line.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jun 4, 2011 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
+1
While I sometimes disagree with Joe Rogan’s choice of words, I mostly think his arguments make sense.
Being elected a representative of the UFC simply because he’s under their employment makes no sense IMO. When he’s working, I think his employers expect him to follow some guidelines, but outside of that, why couldn’t he express his point of view on a subject in the way he chooses to be appropriate ?
Again, some people miss a point in its entirety because of hot button words.
It’s the kind of similar BS that pushes movie companies to add a disclaimer at the beginning of each film (e.g. “The view expressed in the following feature are not those of ….”).
by aTn on Jun 4, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm.
While I’m in agreement that Joe Rogan has the right to say whatever he wants, the fact still remains that as a public figure, his words reflect on the UFC, regardless of his specific employment status.
Personally, I don’t bat an eye at what he said, but the overall point that people are missing is that female MMA media members are being treated like second class citizens, especially when it comes to sexual instance like Rampage’s interview with Bryant. Whether you’re a fighter, a promoter, or a contract employee, that’s not acceptable.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Jun 4, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmm to you sir.
Does the UFC think, as a company, that Joe’s words will hurt their sales or reputation, I think not. Otherwise, why would the let him say whatever he wants in his podcasts, blog, twitter and stand-up ?
Whether or not the words coming out of Joe’s mouth are associated to the UFC is specific to the perception of each individual analyzing what he says. IMO, extrapolating the intention of one employee to a whole company makes no sense, unless the aformentioned employee actually states he’s talking for the company as a whole and in a work related context. As a consequence, I find the assumption that an employee’s words, spoken in a context totally outside of work, should be taken as reflecting the company’s policy to be a bit insulting to the public’s intelligence.
I totally agree with you concerning the treatment of female reporters/journalists. Some may say that I’m a bit on the extreme side, but octagon girls don’t help changing that image.
I find the assumption that an employee’s words, spoken in a context totally outside of work, should be taken as reflecting the company’s policy to be a bit insulting to the public’s intelligence.
If you don’t think people associate Joe Rogan with the UFC when he’s speaking about MMA then I think you’re giving the general public far too much credit. Whether he likes it or not, he’s one of the public faces of the company and people will associate things he says about MMA with the UFC.
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I might just be one who simply doesn't care
I don’t give a damn really that Rampage moterboated Bryant…I never watched the video or read what people thought.
I also don’t care what Rogan called her…I know he described her as c*nty or something to that effect, but I also don’t care, he posted it on a message board.
I also don’t care to read guys making some big issue out of it. If Bryant had a problem with it, I’m sure we all would have heard about it.
I am not of the opinion that everyone has to act and talk like a boy scout and become paranoid about whose feelings they will hurt if they use a certain word…
It’s all a non issue for me, I wouldn’t have done that if I were Rampage, but he did it, whatever heat that brings him, it’s on him. So what if Rogan doesn’t like her…not everybody gets along, plenty of people have plenty of nasty thoughts about other people…thats how the real world works…I don’t feel like there needs to be some sort of surgar-coating ‘oh, everyone should have to get along’ vibe with the whole thing.
I’d much rather read about real MMA news, I just scroll past this type of stuff.
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by Chris Groves on Jun 4, 2011 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
It’s not about how you, or any other hardcore fan feels about it, though. The main point of those causing an uproar over it isn’t that it will turn off hardcore fans, it is that it is a poor representation of the sport for non-hardcore fans. Whether or not you think Rogan’s words reflect on the UFC or not, with the general masses, and the mainstream media, they do, just as if an NFL broadcaster was posting on a football message board would be expected to meet the standards one would expect of them in their official capacity. Public faces of a sporting league, when discussing said sporting league, will be viewed as reflecting upon that league by the masses.
If you don’t care how things like this, or the UFC posting videos of their fighters calling each other fags, makes the general publy that’s totally fine. Nobody says you have to care about that, but anyone that feels that way also can’t complain that MMA isn’t accepted as a legitimate organization like the MLB, NBA, NFL etc. either and complain that ESPN doesn’t cover every event. If you want to be given the same respect, you will be expected to behave in the same professional manner.
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“The main point of those causing an uproar over it isn’t that it will turn off hardcore fans, it is that it is a poor representation of the sport for non-hardcore fans.”
Except there arent any non-hardcore fans reading posts on the UG.
Why does that matter?
He said in an effectively public forum and thus on the record.
Should Michael Richards be excused for his racist tirade because it wasn’t on Leno or other network TV show?
by paythefighters on Jun 5, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Alot of Casuals and non-MMA fans on the UG, isn't there?
Legit orgs huh? You say Joe Rogan, I say:
Pete Rose & Jose Conseco, Latrell Sprewell & Marv Albert, Big Ben & Good ol Dog killin Vick.
Now, did those men cause their sports to be covered less, or more, would you say?
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Are you asking if individual bad acts caused already popular sports to instantly fail? No. But, if you haven’t noticed, MMA isn’t already universally popular through all age groups and accepted by nearly everyone, even those that don’t actually watch it.
Were they allowed to get away with it because “they’re professional athletes, not choir boys” either? Also, no. Actually, it kind of helps make the point I’m making. If you want the mainstream populace to take you seriously, you need to punish the people that get caught doing things the public frowns upon.
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by II SMASH II on Jun 4, 2011 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You hold Rogan up to the standards of ethical journalism when all he was doing was posting on an internet forum, “The Underground”, (not “The Mainstream”). There is quite the difference between an off the cuff rant on the UG and doing a piece for ESPN.com or even BE. I find it hard to believe you don’t feel the same way
I’ll briefly reiterate what I went into great detail on in my fanpost: in my opinion, it’s not these isolated comments that are the greatest detriment, but rather the culture that excuses them and even quite often encourages them.
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by Anthony Pace on Jun 4, 2011 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
Ok, let me get this straight
Even though Joe Rogan is arguably the most visible UFC personality (he’s on every single broadcast), he should be given a pass because he didn’t say what he said on a mainstream medium…. Those are horse blinders.
You can act like the Internet isn’t the Internet if you want, but in 2011—If a celebrity post anything on the back of a piece of toilet paper, and it hits the web, its just as good as going to USA Today. He purposely posted it on the Internet. Period. Its out there.
As far as his opinion, just being his opinion and not indicative of the UFC…Hello he’s the most seen and heard person in the UFC. You can watch plenty of fights without seeing Rampage, Dana or the Ferttas(?). You will hear and see Joe, on every fight. He is the (educated and personal) voice of that company. His opinion and words, will be attributed to the internal culture of the UFC, until he’s not with the company. Wishing it wasn’t the case or thinking that it shouldn’t be the case, is fiction.
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by warren305 on Jun 4, 2011 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
“His opinion and words, will be attributed to the internal culture of the UFC, until he’s not with the company”
Will be. By whom? You?
I agree it can be, but my whole point is that it shouldn’t be. The UFC signs his checks, they don’t own his ass.
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by Shotokanman on Jun 5, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Troy Aikman or Tim McCarver or Mark Jackson (the lead color men in their respective sports) had said anything close to what Rogan said in the privacy of their own home and been caught saying it, they would have been fired within 24 hours. Much less if they’d said that on a public forum, no matter how underground.
I fail to see how the venue changes how what he said was appropriate or not. Let’s use your last argument…if any of the above people had been caught anywhere under any circumstances dropping a bunch of n-bombs, they’d be done. It doesn’t have to be in a NAACP meeting to be outrageous.
There is zero chance of UFC ever getting a ESPN/network deal with Rogan attached to them. Zero.
Did abc fire howard cossell when he called Alvin Garrett a little monkey?
I think you are also underestimating how popular joe rogan is. Check out iTunes rankings for clarification. I think most networks would embrace the idea of having joe rogan on board. Howard stern did it. Watch private parts for clarification. This is a new sport in a new age.
Nope, they didn’t fire him. He just ‘retired’ that same year instead after refusing to apologize.
by Empty Thoughts on Jun 5, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
1) As said below, he was allowed to save face by retiring after the season.
2) 1983 isn’t 2011
3) I must’ve missed Howard Stern’s regular appearances on network TV recently.
by mb78 on Jun 5, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Once again, Equating the UG with anything NAACP related is not kosher.
Anyways, i brought up Marv Albert (The Voice of the NBA?) for a reason. He bit a lady on the back 15 times while sodomizing her, which he plead guilty to.
Still in the Basketball Hall of Fame, and NBC definately took him back.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Joe Rogan lists "commentary" as one of his jobs on his profile.
He is only considered relevant on the UG because of his position with the UFC. He is not an anonymous fan. He isn’t “Shotokanman” or “DetriotDrew1890”. He’s Joe fucking Rogan, and we care about his thoughts on MMA because he worked for the UFC on 99% of their shows and weigh ins for the last 8 years or so.
If it were Adam Carolla using slurs, it wouldn’t be a big deal here. Just a comedian being a shock comedian. But a guy who is a key point of the UFC brand posting on a UFC related topic on the oldest MMA forum that fields professional members matters. You’re ignorant if you can’t understand that.
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by pdl on Jun 5, 2011 1:05 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I totally disagree.
Why not simply assume that people use their brain and hence understand that Joe is not talking on the behalf of the whole UFC company ?
About half of the existing laws in the US exist simply because people want to ignore common sense and use stupid assumptions like: being a public persona implies losing the right to express a personnal opinion (by personnal, I mean, that has no relation to the company or government said person works for).
by aTn on Jun 5, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thing is though, it still reflects on the UFC if they choose to employ such a person as the public face of their company. The UFC are not responsible for Rogan’s opinions or they expression of same, but they are responsible for deciding that Rogan is still an acceptable spokesman for their company.
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Great post!
Thank you Shotokanman!
I often bumb around on the UG sites for video clips, random facts and some up coming insight to fights. I have also come to realize after 6 years, ANY mma forum has a plethora of slandar, publically unacceptable, malicious, retarded, sometimes very funny, derranged, homophobic, racist, and extremely biast comments as well as fagan like views and snowydeny kindergarden opinions and rants.
I consider all of these sites just a step up from mma fanboys. There is no way, I would ever compare the UG internet world remotely close to that of mainstream media.
This is 2011, Joe is in no way going to lose his job and Dana probably laughed his ass off, like his does with most the UG crowd. I truely believe that more people laughed at the remarks than pointed their finger in shame… why?
Joe has helped this sport grow, no one in the UG world has the amount of knowledge or pledge to the sport of mma as him. He has attracked A LOT more viewers than defected.
You guys need to grow up and realize that your self appointed critism comes from the same mantality as that of a high school newspaper, no one in a real position to do something about your complaints really cares that much, deal with it.
For some no name blogger to call someone like him out, expect a retaliation, he is like the Howard Stern of MMA. Wake up and take a look in the mirror, you are not Ariel Hawani…. LOL
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BOOSH
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Anyone who thinks he is over the line in anyway with this mild little opinion of his needs to go check out his podcast, and listen to him discuss DMT, Mushrooms, smoking weed everyday, gorilla f*cking Mrs. Rogan
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by RolloTomasi on Jun 5, 2011 1:54 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
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by NaciremaDream on Jun 5, 2011 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions
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Happy Belated Memorial Day Sir! Even though I don’t believe in the govt. anymore, my father served in Vietnam and caught malaria and was wounded by shrapnel. So I have respect automatically for anybody that has served, plus I respect your MMA views.
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I do think that Rogan’s career outside the UFC is at odds with his role as color commentator. He could never do that for the NFL, or other major mainstream sport. He would be fired for many of the things he routinely says without incident for the UFC. Now whether the UFC is wrong or the NFL et al is just overly PC, is another topic entirely. I personally couldn’t care less, but if I was interested in gaining viewership and popularity, that type of unprofessional behavior will turn many people off so why do it?
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And to say Hendricks was harmed by this in any way is ridiculous. If anything she has her name out like it never has before, and she has Joe to thank for that, not her own sh*tty writing.
She should thank Joe for slurring her reputation? Or for adding his endorsement to the sociopath who claimed she was just jealous of a better-looking female reporter?
No. It’s not fun to get shit on by a famous person, unless you’re a complete starfucker.
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There's a difference between making a point and insulting someone
And quite frankly, you are confusing the two. Joe Rogan insulted and disrespected Maggie Hendricks by using words like that. If all he wanted to do was criticize the points of her piece, he could have done so respectfully without throwing insults around.
You are also mistaken when you say that "There was no instance of Joe looking at Maggie and saying “You’re a c*nt.” His exact words are “I do think that this woman in question is all kinds of c*nty.” He used the same words to describe her piece.
If you actually read her article, she makes the point that the media shouldn’t grant interviews to people who harass reporters. It’s a legitimate point, in my view. The fact that Rogan chose to respond like he did gives her another example to add to her argument. So, in that sense—yes, Rogan acted very irresponsibly by making a bad PR situation worse. And yes, if the UFC wants to grow as a company and expand its audience, it can’t let its employees make statements like this—off time or not.
by magnetic on Jun 5, 2011 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I am mistaken? Oh.
So Joe was in the same room as Maggie, physically, made eye contact with her, and told her she was a c*nt?
Man, I have got to do better research on these things.
If you want to be a journalist, and you put your shallow little thoughts out there to be treated as such, then be ready for people to call you out on your stupidity. Regular or extra famous, whats the difference?
But don’t confuse it with a post on a message board, please.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
So Joe was in the same room as Maggie, physically, made eye contact with her, and told her she was a c*nt?
your right, insulting someone when they are not there is way better and less douchey.
by T.P. Grant on Jun 5, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
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And told the guy “SAY THAT SHIT ONLINE AND NOT TO MY FACE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS!”
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Jun 5, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It was interesting to see BE staff criticizing Rogan for his forum comments when....
I’ve seen BE staff (most notably Snowden and Luke Thomas) make mocking, condescending, hypercritical and contentious comments to posters in the comments sections of pieces that would be entirely inappropriate in their articles.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 5, 2011 1:43 PM EDT reply actions
Those posts may reflect poorly on Bloody Elbow, and perhaps even SBnation/mma, a small section of the MMA media. Meanwhile, Joe Rogan’s comments may reflect poorly on the UFC, and perhaps even the entire sport of MMA. The effects may be similar but the scope is incomparable.
Agreed.
But whether you assassinate a president or kill a homeless guy it’s still murder. Whether you commit grand larceny or petit larceny, it’s still theft. Scope may effect the ramifications, but in my opinion, it doesn’t change the nature of the action in this case. I’m not saying that Joe was right, I’m only saying that if BE staff doesn’t consider the comments sections as a forum in which they must adhere to the same professional standards as the front page, then why is the UG vs. a UFC assignment different?
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by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 5, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
also...
I’ve never seen BE staff make insensitive statements regarding race, gneder or orientation, which is also an important distinction to make. I’m speaking more generally about the practice as opposed to the content.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 5, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
hey jdh, just an fyi,
i don’t think playground is allowing me to make the mania vs BE camp until monday night or tuesday morning, they appear to have it blocked for 2 days after every event? Will be in touch once it’s up, but your team should get signed up and have their accounts built and ready for me to invite.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jun 5, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
cool...
So there’s a way for you to message me at playground?
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by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 5, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
once we are all in the camp im pretty sure we have a private inbox, plus the camp mania has now has it's own board to talk back and forth about topics.
did you sign up yet? whats your name and i’ll try and message you?
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jun 5, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
just registered
user name: JohnDanahersHair
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by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 5, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
just sent you a message on there.
looks like we can make our picks, it just won’t let me start the camp yet so i’ll try again tomorrow night. Get your guys on so i can get the invites out asap once the camp is made. I’ll put up a fanpost with instructions letting everyone know the camp is up as soon as it works.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jun 5, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I replied.
Have you come up with a rule regarding when picks have to be in? I saw you say 4 hours before- maybe it should be 24 hours?
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by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 5, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not a rule i can change, the site does it. There will be a time timer counting down where you pick.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jun 5, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
cool...
so we should make our picks prior to being in the camp? Sorry for all the questions- I’m new to that site.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 5, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
please ask away, it's no trouble
im pretty sure you could make your picks now. There is nothing to hit for confirming them like there is for the wagers. That way you can change them up until time expires. i would reccomend checking back after joining the camp to make sure they are still there.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jun 5, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
great
thanks
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by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 5, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
also...
can you change picks up until the event is locked, or do they lock once you make them?
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by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 5, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
see above.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Jun 5, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
what’s your playground name?
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by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 5, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
detroitdrew2
If you spell Ndamukong Suh in Scrabble, you win. Forever...
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I'm giving 48-1 odds if anyone wants to pick Deuce to win the money pool.
by DetroitDrew1980 on Jun 5, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I made an account
username: RolloTomasi
Learn JiuJitsu, it's fun.
Hey, hey what can I do?---I got a little woman and she won't be true.
thanx mate.
If you spell Ndamukong Suh in Scrabble, you win. Forever...
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I'm giving 48-1 odds if anyone wants to pick Deuce to win the money pool.
by DetroitDrew1980 on Jun 5, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
This is nonsense
Meet me on Monsta Island. Where the girls look good and the MC's be Wildin'.
Also, follow me on Twitter @DeoWade
by Damon O. on Jun 5, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 11 recs
I’ll just assume that this post was solely about Fagan being c*nty.
Don’t worry. I’m a touring comedian… I assure you this is just how I talk amongst other touring comedians when we’re discussing random guys on random mma websites.
You need to respect the baby... 'cause life is precious... and God... and the Bible.

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