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UFC Heavyweight Contender Junior dos Santos Leaves Manager Ed Soares

Ed-jds_medium Junior dos Santos, the #1 contender in the UFC's heavyweight division, announced on Twitter that he had parted ways with manager Ed Soares. Dos Santos, who was last seen in the Octagon crushing Shane Carwin at UFC 131, earned the first crack at champion Cain Velasquez who will be making his first title defense in the fall. 

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Velasquez has been on the shelf since taking the title from Brock Lesnar at UFC 121 due to surgery and rehab for a 90% tear in his right rotator cuff. Dos Santos is expected to get his title shot in November at UFC 138.

Dos Santos spoke to Brazil's R7 Esportes (translated by Tom Mendes):

How was the process of ending ties with your managers?

JDS: It's not a big deal. It's like, everyone has their objectives and they helped me a lot in my career. It was them that put me in the UFC, they were very honest and good with me, but we keep evolving and I thought that I could be more audacious in a few things that were not agreeable from both parties. So I decided to seek out (something new).

Do you plan to stay without representation?

JDS: it's not that I'll stay without representation, but for now, I have a lawyer in the US that has been taking care of my things for me for a while now. We contacted the UFC and let them know the details. For now I'm with her, and as soon as everything gets organized I'll figure this manager thing out.

What is the function of a manager for you right now, close to the UFC belt?

JDS: To be honest, I don't know what the function of a manager is, and this is something I was questioning. For sure it's to close contracts, help my career and even plan my trainings. But I don't know exactly the function, it was not clear to me (laughs).

I'd imagine that managers close contracts with professionals to help out in the training of the athletes, correct?

JDS: I think like that too. A manager has to be at your side at all times trying to meet your necessities. It's not that Guimaraes and Soares haven't done that, but perhaps it wasn't in a satisfactory manner for us.

Do you think there were any flaws from them as managers?

JDS: I don't think there was a flaw, but perhaps a lack of attention. Something I want is to be a priority. I work hard and always have my career as focus. I want someone that will dedicate themselves more towards my interests. Our work requires that.

To let your fans at ease, aside of the representation part, everything continues to be normal?

JDS: Everything continues to be normal. Nothing has changed, the only thing that changed is that Top Media no longer represents me. To be honest, the UFC is such a well organized company that they themselves are managers of athletes. Normally, they follow through and let you know what they expect from an athlete. The manager, in this case, has a very small participation in the process. Of course there is some participation, but it's small for sure.

 For his part Soares talked to Tatame:

Did he tell you why?

Soares: To tell you the truth, he hasn't said why. I asked him, but he wasn't much specific. The only thing he told me was that the decision ahs been made. What am I supposed to say? If the guy wants to go another direction, who am I to tell him otherwise? I was his manager, not his father.

Were you upset?

Soares: Of course I'm a little sad about his decision... We worked together and did a great job. He was feeling like it was the beginning, so that's life. It's not the first time it happens on the fighting business and neither will be the last. He'll follow his way and we'll follow yours. I'm upset, Joinha is upset... I don't know if he is, but he was the one who made the call. Now it's up to us to move on.

Were you surprised by his decision?

Soares: It wasn't a complete surprise to me. To be pretty honest, for everything we see on the fighting world, it's hard to get caught by surprise. It wasn't an argument or anything like that. It was all ok. If the guy doesn't want to work with us, how can I force him to do it? It won't be a good relationship. The work we did together was successful. We did was we were supposed to do, he did his job on the octagon, and it took us to gather a great team to help him to get there. Let's see what happens now. I hope it all works out just fine for him. I'm sad, I'd be lying if I told you otherwise, but I don't wish people bad things.

Soares also manages UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva, former UFC light heavyweight champ Lyoto Machida, and former UFC and Pride heavyweight champ Antonio Rodrigo Nogeira.

Dos Santos' new representative is Ana Claudia Guedes.

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Sonnen and JDS vs. Nog and Anderson! Book it Dana!

Follow me on Twitter or I'm making you weight cut with Nate Marquardt! @BVandDietPepsi

by BVandDietPepsi on Jun 30, 2011 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Nogueira would dominate Sonnen standing.

So close and yet so far. The story of my sports fandom.

by SSreporters on Jun 30, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jds gots balls

He makes his own decisions & doesn’t & isn’t caught up in the ’ yes men’ area/situation. I still say he is gonna lose to Cain!!

Fighting Solves Everything! - Mikeybear

by mikeybear32 on Jun 30, 2011 10:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

July 24th VICTORY!!!!

Fighting Solves Everything! - Mikeybear

by mikeybear32 on Jun 30, 2011 10:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I hate to judge Soares.

But this is fucking nice.

by vivero on Jun 30, 2011 6:42 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Ya Soares rubs me the wrong way, its like he’s always up to something

by AHutch on Jun 30, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you're saying

he’s the Brazilian version of Vadim Finkelstein?

Fas est et ab hoste doceri. (Right it is to be taught, even by the enemy) ~Ovid

by Damnatio Memoriae on Jun 30, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was a time when

he could have had such bargaining powers. Aldo = FW champion, Silva = MW champion, Lyoto = LHW champion.. Then you have the burgeoning JDS for the HW division.

by vivero on Jun 30, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely agree

This actually raises JDS’s stock higher (if that’s even possible) in some fans eyes. Mangers should stay in the background and not pull attention away from their fighters.

by squaresphere on Jul 1, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does this mean...

that he’s done with Black House?

"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They’re back! There’s no choice left. And I’m ready for war."

"Do you lie awake alone at night, admiring my gash?"
-Lord Varys

by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 30, 2011 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

He is done with EdHouse that is for sure.

But I assume his relationship with the fighters specially with the Nogs will stay intact.

by vivero on Jun 30, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I misunderstanding,

or is Blackhouse not basically just guys managed be Soares and Joinha? I thought I had heard it explained that Blackhouse being a team that trains together day in and day out is a misconception. If it is more a function of representation than training affiliation, I would say it appears he is for sure done with Blackhouse, at least for the time being.

by Anton Chigurh on Jun 30, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Black House is an actual gym

Three of them, to be exact. Two in SoCal, one in Broomfield, CO (where I train). I think it may have started out as what you described, though.

by beeran on Jun 30, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the info

Maybe he will continue to train there then.

by Anton Chigurh on Jun 30, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

great fuckin username btw

I love No Country.

When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON

-Joell Ortiz

by The Lethal Haze on Jun 30, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Many thanks

Kaizer Soze was probably taken, but luckily this one wasn’t

by Anton Chigurh on Jul 1, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

supposedly

they took him off their website, and claim to be out of blackhouse

not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends

by Orcus on Jun 30, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest, the UFC is such a well organized company that they themselves are managers of athletes. Normally, they follow through and let you know what they expect from an athlete. The manager, in this case, has a very small participation in the process. Of course there is some participation, but it’s small for sure

Read Bj’s book Jr.

"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."

" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com

by the-gentle-way on Jun 30, 2011 6:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Could you bless us with a short version?

Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves

by spectaa on Jun 30, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

After bj beat Hughes his contract was up. K1 offered Bj 150k a fight Dana offered Bj 25k a fight. Hughes made 50k . Bj asked for the same as Hughes was making. Dana told him to get fucked. Then called him and reemed him and said he was done in the UFC and he would never fight in the UFC again when Bj went and fought in K1. When Bj would have stayed for 1/3 of the money. Then the UFC striped him of his w.w. title and law suits ensued .

"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."

" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com

by the-gentle-way on Jun 30, 2011 8:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Things have changed a lot since then.

Let's get naked and see who's stronger.

by OwMyArm on Jun 30, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You generally dont want your promotion or employer, also managing your interest

Companies do whats in their best interest, managers are supposed to work in their fighter’s best interest. Sometimes those two aren’t in the same direction, and its a good way to find yourself f*cked.

I am Genuinely going to miss Macho Man Randy Savage. RIP

by warren305 on Jun 30, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, namely that there’s no lucrative offer outside of the UFC anymore. Dana can just say “get fucked” and that’s the end of it.

by Pyrgz Krum on Jul 1, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, the ufc is more powerful now.

there is no competition to keep them honest .

"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."

" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com

by the-gentle-way on Jul 1, 2011 1:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I really love JDS

“To be honest, I don’t know what the function of a manager is, and this is something I was questioning.”

by Lauren J Darkbloom on Jun 30, 2011 7:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Why even have a manager when there is no place else you can even negotiate to fight. Either sign whatever the UFC gives you or go back to king in the cage.

by terzergoss on Jun 30, 2011 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Translation note for Orcus/Mendes

I don’t know if Cigano misspoke or you mistranslated, but the company that no longer represents him is called Tough Media, not Top Media. Just a heads up.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Jun 30, 2011 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

this is from the original piece, copied and pasted:
Continua tudo normal. Não mudou nada, apenas a Top Media não me representa mais como empresário. Na verdade, o UFC é uma empresa tão organizada que eles mesmos são os próprios managers dos atletas. Normalmente, eles já têm todo o acompanhamento e o que eles querem do atleta. O empresário, no caso, tem pouca participação nas decisões sobre o atleta no evento. Claro que existe alguma, mas com certeza é pouca.

so, I don’t know if they fucked it up or if you’re mistaken, but regardless it’s not my fault.

not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends

by Orcus on Jun 30, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright, cool, trying to clear it up.

It’s definitely Tough Media. See the Black House website here: http://www.blackhousemma.com/about

Tough Media was founded to create a symbiotic relationship between its fighters and the brands and organizations they represent.

Or Ed Soares’ email ed@toughmediainc.com. It’s also listed on the site.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Jun 30, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's probably a communication issue

Portuguese speaker speaking an English word to another Portuguese speaker, sometimes they can get it mixed up :p

not always will those who dumps on you be your enemies
and not always will those who take you out of shit be your friends

by Orcus on Jun 30, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dont get the hate for soares.

Who has managed more champs?

This might be a bit of JDS getting used to the big time and wanting more attention. It might bite him in the ass when he gets to the top and nobody is there to help him out.

by HorseMeatBro on Jun 30, 2011 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think it's a matter of hate,

I think Junior is a pretty savvy guy and realizes that at this point, he doesn’t really need a manager all that much. What does a manager do that you can’t do yourself, once you learn how?

You can book gigs yourself, manage your own schedule and finances… IMO it’s just a matter of cutting out the middle man.

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Jun 30, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, for the most part you could do your own taxes,

but at a certain point in your financial life it makes sense to hire a tax professional…

When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON

-Joell Ortiz

by The Lethal Haze on Jun 30, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Training, nutrition, appearances, families, sleep, endorsement contracts, fighter contracts, 24 hrs in a day, concentration, finances, training partners, gyms….All of these things can take many hours to coordinate.

Fighters, athletes, entertainers, office workers…people need management.

I am Genuinely going to miss Macho Man Randy Savage. RIP

by warren305 on Jun 30, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's all about putting together your team.

Obviously Junior felt that Soares wasn’t doing much for his team. Ockham’s razor. Apparently this Guedes character is doing a better job in Junior’s opinion.

People in the entertainment industry absolutely should have help, but there’s no one set formula.

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Jun 30, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll get another manager

Or someone in a similar role. What’s most likely is that he goes back to Soares after a while. You miss out on a lot of stuff without a manager in your industry, and like him or not, guys like Soares know a lot of people and can bring a lot to the table in regards to pooling and coordinating assets for a fighter.

I am Genuinely going to miss Macho Man Randy Savage. RIP

by warren305 on Jun 30, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a wild guess here

it might have something to do with 9ine – a sports marketing company owned by (retired soccer star) Ronaldo… They already manage Anderson’s marketing/sponsors, i can imagine them reaching out to other BZ fighters. And JDS sounds like a nice bet.

 http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/2/1/1967847/and-here-comes-the-brazillian-sponsors

by gabriezim on Jul 1, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now I know why

Junior was trying so hard to learn english.

Just Breed!

by ScoreCardOTN on Jun 30, 2011 9:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

It takes a big man to go against the grain

Right or wrong, he apparently is unhappy with the job Soares and Co. is doing. It would be easy for a guy in his position to accept whatever perceived B.S. he is experiencing and just go with the flow. Instead he is going out on a limb to a degree, and being forthcoming about it. I like this guy more and more all the time. It will be hard to root for either he or Cain over the other when they finally fight.

by Anton Chigurh on Jun 30, 2011 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

She??

Is it the Brazillain TV girl with the huge booty?

Confucius says:

"Baseball is wrong; man with four balls cannot walk."

by RiverHorror on Jun 30, 2011 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

click on the twitter link, check out the pic

she is NOT unattractive.

"A guy in Texas came up to me and told me ‘Frye you're not mixed martial arts, you're no holds barred’, and I said you're god damn right partner." ~ Don Frye

by sBruce24 on Jun 30, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fighters need managers

He needs someone speaking for his interest. Fighters/athletes don’t have time to manage themselves properly, and depending on the UFC to look after his interest is naive.

I am Genuinely going to miss Macho Man Randy Savage. RIP

by warren305 on Jun 30, 2011 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I never understood managers....

I always imagined I’d have some sort of assistant that would answer calls and crap for me, but I’d do my own negotiation unless I was friggin’ Alex Rodriguez or something. The problem with most personal managers in sports is they operate off of a % with no cap. So why would you pay someone that much for arguing your net worth to a deal?

I couldn’t justify giving 10% to 15% of 100,000 for services like that IMO.

Not douchey enough for a Kindle yet.

by KidThunder on Jun 30, 2011 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Managers are completely necessary.

The stress of training, mental preparation, and weigh cutting is massive on these guys. The down/rest time is crucial. Just having somebody to take the stress of searching for sponsors and handling applications, graphics, and all that shit carries immense value into the cage. Not to mention that a manager will review your contracts with trainers and gyms to be sure you aren’t getting ripped off by a coach, which absolutely happens in combat sports. Oh, and did I mention the fact that managers have legal and business experience while fighters GET PUNCHED IN THE FREAKIN’ HEAD FOR A LIVING.

A good manager is well worth their cut.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Jun 30, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because,

A good manager is way more than just taking care of your needs. In the music business as is in the fighting business it’s about connections to the right people getting better deals and sponsors, taking care of royalties etc. A good manager that brings a million dollars and takes 20% is better than an unknown one that can bring 100K and takes 10%

by Coeman on Jun 30, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

An all too often overlooked point...
A good manager that brings a million dollars and takes 20% is better than an unknown one that can bring 100K and takes 10%

"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.

by The American Ronin on Jul 1, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps you misunderstood?

the issue was how seriously a female would be taken by promoters, other managers, and fighters …

but way to go pretending as if males and females are equal in every way. someday a female will beat a male UFC champ and someday a male will give birth to a baby right? even suggesting that sex may be a factor in the suitability of anything is blasphemy apparently. i don’t believe men and women are equally suited for all things, and if that makes me a misogynist, then so be it.

by sunzlight on Jul 1, 2011 2:22 AM EDT reply actions  

It does, and you are....

Margret Thatcher would rip your head off and shit down your neck. And that’s before breakfast.

In fact ,if people are underestimating your manager it’s a good thing. Because when she pulls a fast one you’ll be sitting pretty.

by Danthemmaman on Jul 1, 2011 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

As long as Malki Kawa isn’t representing JDS I think it’s a good decision for him

by Silvio Dante on Jul 1, 2011 5:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Seems like a bad idea

Many of use as fans may dislike/mistrust Soares, but he does very well for his clients.

JDS is a little naive and I think the UFC’s representatives have got into his ear and split him from his management. He’s going to get fucked.

by Cunny on Jul 1, 2011 8:53 AM EDT reply actions  

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