Strikeforce Heavyweight Brett Rogers Charged With 3rd Degree Assault
by Matt Bishop on Jun 30, 2011 3:08 PM EDT
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Strikeforce heavyweight Brett Rogers, who less than two weeks ago competed inside the cage, has been charged with third degree assault of his wife, MyFoxTwinCities reports.
Brett Charles Rogers, 30, has been charged with assault in the third degree, domestic assault by strangulation and pattern of stalking conduct -- all felonies --in Dakota County. He was also charged with endangerment of a child, a gross misdameanor.
His wife blacked out from being choked, suffered a golf ball sized wound on her face among smaller wounds. The couples daughter had tried to intervene after she saw Rogers strike her mother.
Rogers admits he had been drinking before an argument broke out with he and his wife. He claims she punched him and he returned force.
Rogers was arrested in the early morning hours Wednesday and his bail was set at $100,000. The charge he is under brings the following punishment if convicted, according to the State of Minnesota:
Subdivision 1. Substantial bodily harm. Whoever assaults another and inflicts substantial bodily harm may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than five years or to payment of a fine of not more than $10,000, or both.
Per terms of his bail, which, according to the state has not been paid, Rogers cannot go within three miles of the residence and must have no contact with the victims, among other things.
You can read the full criminal complaint here.
Rogers (11-3) lost via second-round arm triangle choke to Josh Barnett at "Strikeforce: Overeem vs. Werdum" two weeks ago and is perhaps best known for his 22 second knockout of Andrei Arlovski in 2009.
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Tread lightly in these comments folks
shenanigans won’t be tolerated.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
Damn. I feel 2 ways about this.
1. What the fuck is wrong with him? You cant choke your wife, especially when you’re a 300lb professional MMA fighter. Doesnt matter what she said or did to you, or how much you where drinking. NO EXCUSE.
2. I feel kinda bad for the guy, maybe he’s got a drinking problem…maybe thats why hes looked so shitty his last few fights.
Although what he did is deplorable, I hope he gets help and can rebound from this. For his childs sake.
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Choke? How about the ground and pound beating he gave her in the front yard. Dude has serious problems.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
JESUS. I hadnt read the whole thing when I posted that. wtf
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by ProfessorBLove on Jun 30, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea
reading the entire thing puts it in perspective. A terrible perspective.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Im disgusted. I literally feel sick. Wow.
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by ProfessorBLove on Jun 30, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m with you man. There isn’t a strong enough word for this. Anyone sensitive to domestic abuse should avoid reading it, imo.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Its very bad, Dude is Pro MMA fighter, and he did what he would do to one of his opponents to his Wife. No Excuse What so ever.
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Yeah he should get an assault with a deadly weapon charged tacked on
This is also why Dana should chose his words more carefully. He’s gonna get cut for this, but if what Nate did was disgusting then what is this?
I cant see the original complaint
When I click the link it downloads an .aspx file.
A little help please? Maybe post it in the main article, or at least the relevant snippets?
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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 30, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe try Mania's link.
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I know. I know.
What’s my punishment?
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Thankfully...
I was never a member/poster there.
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by Brandon Starr on Jun 30, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I rec'd about 80 today...
So I think my punishment has already been served.
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by Brandon Starr on Jun 30, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, will do :)
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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 30, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
For his childs sake.
He shouldn’t be around children ever again.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't go that far
the guy made a mistake, a huge clusterfuck of a mistake, but still to say that he shouldn’t ever be around children again may be taking it too far. I’m quite sure that he’s remorseful and people do crazy shit when they’re under the influence. Guys who rape women still get to be released into the real world and interact with women once again even if it is a couple of decades down the road…
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 30, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn't a one time thing
He has choked his children before.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
wait...what?
He’s choked his children? Is that a euphemism or are you being literal? Care to share a source?
Read the report
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I just spoke to someone that used to be in his camp
This isn’t the first time this has happened, and he’s been bailed out by his trainer/manager before.
by Jamie Penick on Jun 30, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
ffs
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Just got an angry email refuting the manager’s involvement. I should have used the word allegedly instead of stating it as fact as I don’t know it as fact.
by Jamie Penick on Jun 30, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
That's pushing it too far
He fucked up, yes. But he’s human and EVERYONE makes mistakes and some learn from them. That said, fuck you Brett Rogers, I hope you get yours soon.
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by poundnground on Jun 30, 2011 5:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He pounded a woman then choked her out in front of their kids.
Fuck him.
Learn JiuJitsu.
by RolloTomasi on Jun 30, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
F that
he choked the kids!
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Wft i missed that part.
as a parent myself… Fuck that puto!!!
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by poundnground on Jun 30, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
:O
You mean to tell me that YOU framed Rogers!?!? FREE ROGERS! FREE ROGERS!!!
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 30, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
A shirt is currently in the making at MiddleEasy.
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by sgiblin on Jun 30, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
On the real
There’s no excuse. IMHO if you are in a relationship were you have seriously considered slapping/punching/shocking/shacking to death your siggnificant other you might as well pack ur things and bounce cuz nothing good will come out of that kinda relationship in the long run
by BwamSolid on Jun 30, 2011 6:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Most women that are physically abused will never blame the guy and will say she will leave, but never will. In a sick sort of way they might actually enjoy it. Like she said it happened in the past, and where was she at, and saying she won’t press charges shows that shes not leaving anytime soon.
that's not good.
sounds like a bad situation that spiraled out of control.
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This makes me sad.
Is counciling/rehab included in the Zuffa insurance? He needs all avenues of help on this.
My sympathy to his family.
Why didn't I know about this stuff in '95?
by rdmcurator on Jun 30, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think it is. I’d like to say if they matched my crappy salary that I would help out, but I feel like they’d have to pay me a lot to counsel professional fighters. I have clients now who get angry explosive, wouldn’t want a pro fighter flipping his shit in session.
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Leland posted the report on Twitter if anyone's interested...
http://services.co.dakota.mn.us/complaintSearch/complaint.aspx?ID=11206
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dude is a terrible terrible person
A neighbor reported that he had looked out his residence window and saw Rogers
standing over T.R. and punching her multiple times in the head and face as she lay on the
ground. Another neighbor stated he saw T.R. with blood streaming from her face and mouth and
what looked like a missing tooth.
T.R. repeatedly denied that she had been assaulted and said she had simply fallen on the ground. … T.R. refused to meet with the officer and told him that the assault was her fault.
This might be the most depressing part.
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by Damnatio Memoriae on Jun 30, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully witnesses can make up for her lack of testimony...
But I know absolutely zero about the judicial system.
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Most countries / states have a specific legal framework for domestic abuse cases
To circumvent common issues such as the victim not speaking out or victim defending the attacker. Witnesses and police report are enough for a case.
I am from MN and going into Law Enforcement and he most certainly will go to jail even without her testimony. They do not need her to press charges.
by schm1583 on Jun 30, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so much for the Brett Rogers "cinderela story" He went from Sam's Club to fighting Fedor, and now probably to jail
I would expect Zuffa to release him, i know the HW division is shallow, but they can’t tolerate this type of behavior
While I know what you mean....
I don’t like the idea that a woman can just punch anybody she wants as long as they weigh a certain amount and are professional fighters. Not that this case isn’t clear cut…. jus’ sayin’ that seems to be the first thing everyone says in these circumstances “who cares if she punched him, she’s a chick”.
by Brandon Starr on Jun 30, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I didnt say that. I wasn't commenting on this particular incident.
Just the general statement of “she’s a chick so it’s ok”
by Brandon Starr on Jun 30, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i should have specified that i knew that it wasn't what you were saying
i just wanted to point out the terrible things he did
and I did read the report. It's a terrible terrible thing that he did.
Hopefully she testifies, because as it stands she’s just saying that it’s her fault, that he didn’t assault her, and she isn’t cooperating with the investigation (refusing to meet with the investigator).
by Brandon Starr on Jun 30, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That is by far
the worst part, to me. It shows there has been a history of abuse. This poor woman.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No doubt. It's obvious that that's why she isn't cooperating. Hopefully some kind of professional support group can convince her that she needs to talk.
If he gets off because of her not cooperating he will definitely do it again. The poor kid too. She’s old enough that she will never forget this.
by Brandon Starr on Jun 30, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya as soon as I heard she is not cooporating. Its Battered Wife syndrome.
That sucks big time. I remember about 15 years ago when I used to work security in the mall, my buddy was called to a disturbance outside of JC Penny. This guy was bitch slapping his girl friend. He interviened and pushed him away, throwing subject to the ground. As soon as he did that, she attacked him and we all had to respond to back him up. ITs just crazy what abuse can do to a woman’s psychie.
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That’s what happens when someone has complete power over you. Normally in those situations, the man controls EVERYTHING. Hard to leave when you have no idea/no control over finances etc. That is one of the most frustrating cases to work with ever.
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She may not need to
From what it looks like, the neighbors saw quite a bit. Even if she refuses to testify, the neighbors should be plenty of evidence. One of the big fibs people have learned from TV is the idea of ‘pressing charges’. The plaintiff is the state. They just need one good witness. She doesn’t have to do anything for him to get plopped in jail. He has a half-decent case for self defense if she hit him first, but shit, I don’t think a jury would be kind to him at all.
Yeah I've worked in law since I was 18 and this should still be a slam dunk.
Just hoping she puts the nail in the coffin. I think it would give her a confidence boost to take the stand and end it all with her own words.
by Brandon Starr on Jun 30, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
first thing i tought of when i read it was that it had happened before
at least the kids were smart and told the police that it had happened before, and he had choked them before, i hope everyone testifies, and Brett gets what is coming to him.
It would have been one thing if he restrained her to prevent her from punching him. But instead he choke her and beat her.
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Right. Brett Rogers did do that. Brett Rogers is a terrible person.
I wasn’t talking about Brett Rogers.
by Brandon Starr on Jun 30, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Came here to say the same thing
A woman must be treated as a woman as long as she acts as one. The moment she physically assaults someone she should receive the return.
And I am saying this in general, not about a 300lbs pro fighter beating the crap out of a woman, but about a guy (not matter his size) returning a punch given by a woman (no matter her size).
If I am a 120lbs guy and punch a 300lbs guy in the face everyone will call me stupid and say I deserved a beating, why being a woman should change anything?
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Man and women are different
I know, shocking.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
So this gives woman the right to punch men whenever they feel like it and face no consequence?
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You realize there are such a thing as non physical consequences?
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No
But the consequence shouldnt be violence. If she hit him he needed to call the police right then and there or get the fuck out.
If a woman punches you right in the face, walk away and press charges.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
...
idk about all that. I’m a rather small guy, about bw size. If Christiane Cyborg punched me in the face, oh yeah we’re about to scrap.
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 30, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point.
I am 200lbs and bet Cyborg would smash me. Does this make her less of a woman?
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
if cyborg punched me in the face, i would probably fall to my knees and start crying, i bet she hits hard
seriously thou, i’m sure there are things men can do to subdue a woman that is attacking them without hurting them, a bear hug comes to mind.
a scrap?
Im guessing you have never fought with a high level girl… I would bet my farm you would get housed by cyborg… no offense… jus speculating
None taken
I’m pretty sure I would too. My point was that I wouldn’t just turn away and press charges if that particular woman punched me in the face.
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 30, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If a man punches me a punch him back, if a woman punches me I do the same. Of course I will not use full force if the man/woman is much lighter than me, but I will still hit back, even if just with a heavy slap in the face.
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Congratulations
you’re doing the dumb and uncivilized thing in both cases.
by Pyrgz Krum on Jun 30, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Sure, because the one who hit me first is really civilized.
I never hit anyone, doesn’t matter if man or woman, unless I am hit first. This is being civilized. Being hit and just walking away is being submissive.
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Two wrongs don't always make a right.
Walking away isn’t always “submissive”, it’s called “not being charged with assault”.
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by alicks on Jun 30, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No it's not
it’s appropriate and smart.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I’m pretty sure the arresting officer wouldn’t see it that way especially if you punched a woman noticeably smaller than you. Me, I would never hit a woman unless she’s assaulting me with a weapon(rock, hammer, knife, etc.) or is one of those body builder chicks or Christane Cyborg(Can you blame me, she probably hits harder than most men her weight class or above it)other than that I’ll just subdue her without strikes(the aforementioned bear hug or something similar like grabbing her hands and holding them behind her back, etc.). If you a physically larger and stronger male can’t subdue a woman(not counting the body builder chicks or Cyborg who’d probably just beat the shit out of you anyway)without hitting her than that’s just sad and pathetic.
Have fun in jail.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No one goes to jail for responding with the same amount of force. You only get busted when you get crazy and beat the crap out of someone, just like Brett did.
Defending yourself is perfectly legal, as long as you don’t use excessive force
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve seen it happen, my friend. Multiple times. I once saw a guy get blasted with a baseball bat from a woman, and he defended himself and knocked her out cold. She spent a night in jail and got off free. He got hassled by the cops and spent a week in jail with fines. And this was without previous encounters. The premise was he used too much force. It was a one punch knockout.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Would you call it fair?
I don’t know much of the USA laws (read: not a clue), but I Brazil I am sure defending yourself without the use of excessive force is totally legal. Can’t tell for sure if this is always taken into account though.
The fact is that our society is drenched in machismo and thus women are pictured as inferior and vulnerable, which is totally wrong. They should be treated as equals and thus respond for their actions just like a man does.
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
They are not
physically equal.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I depends. There are women that could thrash most of us here. Being women does not necessarily make than physically inferior.
Also, I agree that this should be taken into account, just as you should take into account the difference between a 120lbs man and a 250lbs one. The gender should not be the determining factor.
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we have very different views on respect for women.
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by memitim on Jun 30, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When you talk about fighting you must take into account that some women are not weaker than most men.
How many here could take on Cyborg?
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
who have you trained with near her skill level .. man or woman .. and please dont tell me about any of the … inadequate military training …
I still have cyborg3 to one against you.. i could be wrong but i am open to any facts to substantiate your confidence
wouldnt or couldnt
no ring takedown ~ no street takedown. How come people who are green always say if it were a street fight i would have done this and that… I get the sense these people like dungeons and dragons fantasy games. The absence of your answer as to whom you have worked with will be taken as a confirmation of my suspicion that its no one. Cyborg would make you her bitch.. sorry but thought you should know
I guess it all depends on if it's an MMA fight or a real fight.
In a street fight, I’m confident I could use my huge size advantage to pull her to the ground and gouge her eyes out.
Learn JiuJitsu.
eye gouge? that’s prison fighting, not street fighting.
I was one of the authors of the Port Huron Statement.
So what’s proper technique?
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there will be no answer to this question
since in fantasy world no actual answers are generated
What you are saying is, if a chick hits you, you are going to get mad and hit her back.
If you cannot subdue a women without striking her, and she continues to be an eminent threat, then fighting to defend yourself is justified.
I have never met a man/woman combination where this has actually been the case. Most men, even if they are smaller then the women they might be having a confrontation with are able to subdue them, or avoid them, without striking them.
Cliff’s notes: dudes hitting chicks is bullshit.
In the US, man and woman are not considered physically equal. The best option for men is to walk away from the situation and press charges if harmed. Even in that case, a woman could launch herself off a stairwell and blame the man… and in many cases, it would stick.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Even in that case, a woman could launch herself off a stairwell and blame the man… and in many cases, it would stick.
This is sad.
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think...
You underestimate how a jury would view “reasonable force” when it comes to domestic violence. There isn’t a black and white scale, it is judged by law enforcement, or your peers. Either way you’ll be under much more scrutiny than if it was a man.
This I must agree. As I said above this is pure machismo and I don’t agree with it at all, but it is true.
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I had to take classes once
forms disorderly conduct. There was this guy in the class with a huge scar across his face from his woman slashing him with a chef knife and a scar on his side from a puncture. He said he hit her after that and he had to go to jail for 6 months. I felt bad for him.
I always thought you could return equal force and its still considered self defense.
I know if someones kicking your ass but not trying to kill you and you pull out a knife or gun and kill them that’s not self defense.
I have learned in the state of AZ, it is best just to walk away instead of generating revenue for the state. If they can find a way to charge you for anything they will.
That said, the various times of my life I’ve had to serve time, women beaters are looked down upon, especially child abusers. If he is not put in protective custody and put in general population he will get his ass handed to him (which I hope happens). And the kicker is typically in county jail, if you assault someone you will get a new street charge so he really can’t afford to be getting in violent altercations in there cuz it will not look good for his case at all. He will be classified with other inmates with violent charges who are going down for a long time who have nothing to lose and would want to make a name for themselves in prison when they fuck Brett Rogers up. Rogers best bet is to PC up with all the chomos and sex offenders right where he belongs. Dude is the same in my eyes. His kids see that and think that’s how relationships are suppose to be and it fucks them up for the rest of their lives.
Just Breed!
by ScoreCardOTN on Jun 30, 2011 9:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn't read the whole post, but...
that first guy had to be lying to you.
"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift
I believe him, our judicial system is a bit crazy. Same reason a burglar can sue you for something that happened to him while he was breaking into your house.
While there are some ridiculous cases out there...
I don’t see a judge sentencing a guy to 6 months in jail because he defended himself when a woman tried to kill him.
"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift
You never know, you can go over what the court see’s as just self defense into assault and be sentenced. But without all the facts who knows.
You're right.
At least he looks like a bad ass now. Was his name Omar?
"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift
I forgot to mention
That she received several years in prison for her part. But the point was he was charged for assault for self defense. None of us in class believed him either, but the teacher read the police report and verified his story and thought there was no reason he should have been in the class. She even admitted the judicial system isn’t perfect.
Just Breed!
by ScoreCardOTN on Jun 30, 2011 9:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The only thing I can think of...
is that he exceeded the force necessary for sufficiently defending himself.
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Please stop. Your multiple attempts here, especially in light of the circumstances, at justifying hitting a female are depressing.
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by memitim on Jun 30, 2011 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am not, by any means, trying to justify Bretts actions, I made it clear. I am just discussing a related topic.
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe this isn't the best time or place for that discussion.
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by Richard Wade on Jun 30, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You could be right about this. Seems people are very sensitive about it now.
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Gee. I wonder why.
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by Richard Wade on Jun 30, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The moment she physically assaults someone she should receive the return.
Given that Brett says she hit him first (whether or not you believe that is a different story), you’re completely justifying Brett’s actions.
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And I am saying this in general, not about a 300lbs pro fighter beating the crap out of a woman
Don’t try to put words on my mouth. I stand by my opinions, just don’t make things up (or take away from context).
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
'kay, let's include the rest of your statement. For context, right?
And I am saying this in general, not about a 300lbs pro fighter beating the crap out of a woman, but about a guy (not matter his size) returning a punch given by a woman (no matter her size).
So which is it? It’s not okay for a 300-lb. pro fighter to hit a woman, or size doesn’t matter?
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I think...
He is trying to make a certain point, but is being kinda jumped on by how pissed everyone (including me) is at rogers..
From what i can read his point is that all things being equal – e.g a woman of the same size, strength and martial arts experience as a man, should not be viewed any differently FROM a man just because of her gender.
If a man punches me a punch him back, if a woman punches me I do the same. Of course I will not use full force if the man/woman is much lighter than me, but I will still hit back, even if just with a heavy slap in the face.
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Notice the “Of course I will not use full force”. It is just defending yourself.
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It is not defending yourself to get mad and hit someone back.
by Sqwibbs on Jun 30, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Again I say it depends on what you call hitting. If you get punched and you hit back, not to smash, just to say you will stand for yourself, then I’d say it is defending.
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No. In order to be defending yourself, you must be in danger. A chick slapping you does not put you in danger.
You slapping a chick does not put her in danger either.
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
You just made what I am trying to say clear.
Gender does not matter, people should be treated as equals.
On another note, being weaker does not give you the right to physically assault someone (the point about the 120lbs guy hitting the 300lbs one)
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on what you call hitting.
I am totally against a 300lbs pro fighter beating the crap out of a woman, no matter the situation. This said, I think there is nothing wrong with him returning the aggression. Obviously not with a knockout punch, but with a heavy slap or something like that.
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
If a small man punched a big one and got hit back (again, not KO’d), would you think it was wrong?
Well, if there is no difference between man and woman (just because of gender), this would be the same.
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly?
there are still physical differences, even at that size, but as a general rule if you’re big enough to beat the shit out of someone, you’re big enough to restrain them without striking them.
True, restraining is always an option, as is walking away, but this does not necessarily make it wrong to hit back just to make clear that act should not be repeated.
by mmablitzkrieg on Jun 30, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
YOu know you can restrain the woman or just leave. Only time to strike a woman is when she is threatening to kill you with a knife or some other weapon that can cause death. Or high on PCP and looking like Nicole BASS>
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I have no idea where this is coming from
Guess this is another peek at the weird strain of misogyny that runs through certain parts of the MMA community.
Stop treating it as women and men. It’s just people. If a person A hits person B, person A shouldn’t be shocked if person B returns fire, but it’s also on person B to remain calm and stay civilized and call the authorities. Eye for an eye is a dumb doctrine.
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can’t remember who said it, but yeah.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
No
Thats what JiuJitsu is for. You can easily non-violently restrain someone with proper technique. All you would really need to do is get mount and use your base til help arrives.
Men do NOT punch women, PERIOD.
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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 30, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
There are times when I think it is OK for a man to hit a woman...
but they are few and far in between.
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Really?
I can’t think of a single one, guess we know different women.
If a woman was drowning your child, wife, dog, etc....
you wouldn’t hit her?
Man, I’d hit her with everything.
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Whatever man.
I’d knock the shit out of a woman to stop her from hurting my family.
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Thats the thing though
A punch or strike is rarely “necessary”. On average, a man can toss a woman around like a sack of potatoes, even if the woman is bigger. From a self defense perspective, I see a takedown, choke or joint lock being just as easy to apply as a strike (in most cases), so striking a woman wouldn’t be necessary.
To quote Chris Rock :
“I’ll never, ever hit a woman…but I’ll shake the shit out of a bitch!” (his words, not mine)
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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 30, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Any man who punches a woman, no matter the reason, is no man at all.
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by memitim on Jun 30, 2011 3:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry dude, not going to get stabbed/shot/choked to death without fighting for my life. Obviously the chances of that situation arising are slim, but let’s get real here, if there’s a weapon involved, you defend yourself.
If she’s unarmed though, take the punch/kick/slap whatever the hell, and just leave.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 30, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like you said, the chances are slim. Stop with the hypotheticals. Why bring them up on a thread where a guy beat the hell out of a woman in front of his kids.
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by memitim on Jun 30, 2011 4:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Because you said any man who punches a woman, no matter the reason…etc etc. Seems like a legit reply to your absolute comment. Take that snarky shit to the guy who said he’d punch a girl for punching him, where it’s called for.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 30, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I did. And I don’t think I was “snarky”. I don’t see a need for using one in a million hypothetical just to make a contrary point to my post, especially in light of the article we are commenting on.
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Wait...
So you make an absolutist claim, someone refutes it, and you act like he’s an asshat for doing that?
by Body Triangle on Jul 1, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
yes
but not by engaging in asshole behavior. like retaliation.
worst case scenario [gun, knife, etc], try to restrain – if not, just get the fuck out of there.
the main point that your arguments appear to ignore is that there is a history of abuse. let’s not pretend this is the first time either party has hit the other, and let’s not ignore his actions were deplorable – as is the case of any man who hits a woman like that.
by Victor Rodriguez on Jun 30, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I don't care much for that logic either
not saying that it happened in this situation, but I know of quite a few instances where the chick is egging the guy on and talking about some “Ok you bad, hit me! Hit me then! Hit me BITCH! You punk ass bitch”, the entire time they’re slapping and punching the guy and shit and the minute they get clocked it’s straight to the phone to call the cops. Never happened to me, I’d NEVER hit my gf, but I do understand how shit can just pop off at times. Anger + Alcohol divided by a nagging and amped up woman = some potential disastrous results…
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 30, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with that notion,
woman or not, you can’t just punch someone. But there is a precedent of reasonable force… if you’re Brett Rogers and your wife punches you, you can very easily trip her and pin her to the ground.
He decided to beat the fuck out of her, not cool.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 30, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a horrific, horrific story...
Brett has no f’n legs to stand on here and deserves serious jail time for this crap.
His wife blacked out from being choked, suffered a golf ball sized wound on her face among smaller wounds. The couples daughter had tried to intervene after she saw Rogers strike her mother.</blockquote>
It takes a Small man to strike his wife, but an absolute low life to do it in front of his kid.
by Suffocate on Jun 30, 2011 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Pathetic
A man should never strike a women. He’s lucky he didn’t kill her. For God’s sake, he is a heavyweight mma fighter who is known for having knockout power.
I suggest you read the whole report before you post a comment
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by ultmma on Jun 30, 2011 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
after reading the report
its hard not to really hate Rogers
Reading the Complaint
Rogers sounds like a scumbag you don’t hit the mother of your children and you never beat your kids. This is a textbook case of domestic abuse and quite frankly I hope Rogers is fired and goes away for a very long time.
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by MattParker117 on Jun 30, 2011 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
very sad ending to his career in major organisations.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 30, 2011 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
jesus christ Brett
She was reportedly strangled, punched repeatedly in the head and face and lost a tooth in the struggle.
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The girl reported she shouted for her father to stop. Rogers’ ten-year old daughter reported that she heard the shouting, and had seen her father strike her mother in the past. She also reported that her father had struck the children within the last two years.
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by MattParker117 on Jun 30, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn
I was liking this guy’s rags to riches story….if he’d win. Well that’s it for him unless he GROVELS for an apology.
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by memitim on Jun 30, 2011 3:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
This is disgusting,
he doesn’t deserve to be in a cage again, and definitely not one owned by the biggest MMA org.
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I was a huge fan of Rogers story. How he went from installing tires to fighting the best in the world was impressive. But fuck that guy. I hope he rots in prison b. wow
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i hope it (this stroy) turns out not to be true…
That’s valid… but reading the full report… it’s not really possible.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what the preview button is for.
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by Richard Wade on Jun 30, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Preview and proofread before you post?
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that doesn’t mean that you will notice all your mistakes lol omg what is the problem with having an edit feature?
Because
people do stupid and inappropriate shit all the time and if they could edit they wouldn’t get called on it.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If it makes you feel any better I can hide my comment and re-post if I make an error.
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by Richard Wade on Jun 30, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what the public shaming is for.
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by Richard Wade on Jun 30, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah unless the neighbor, the police, the daughter, etc are all lying through their teeth the dude is in big trouble.
The only person that is helping Rogers is the victim which is a classic sign of long term abuse (I am not a doctor).
by Brandon Starr on Jun 30, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
slow down.
You don’t know what happened, and you can’t just judge people when you havent walked in their shoes.
jesus.
by HorseMeatBro on Jun 30, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Read the report
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes I can. I am not a judge or jury beholden to any laws or regulations so I am free to judge as I see fit.
He beat the crap out of her thus he is scum and should rot in jail. There judged by the court of my own god damn opinion.
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I know what happened.
A massive drunk man beat the shit out of his wife.
Numerous eye witnesses say so.
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i don’t know about his wife but if mine swung on me i would just leave. hitting her is not an option unless she was trying to kill me. i don’t know how strong his wife but most women are not that strong. i’m 250 and damn i couldn’t imagine ever hitting anyone smaller than me unless i had to. thing is alcohol and than the added sting of losing recently probably added to the situation.
who knows if it is true yet. lord knows some wives to go crazy i’ve seen it before. but dude needs to get help and get off the bottle before it ruins his life.
Before it ruins his life?
You wouldn’t consider his life ruined after this?
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by Chad Raynard on Jun 30, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
eh
I mean he probably wouldnt get in the UFC anyway. But this won’t help if he had any kind of case.
But he can still fight.
by HorseMeatBro on Jun 30, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve personally been in situations in which an ex-girlfriend went off the deep end and tried to harm me. Always walk away. Always. The system isn’t there to defend you.
I had an acquaintance get the shit kicked out of him girlfriend at the time whenever she was drunk. She would literally cold cock him right in the jawline as he was driving her home from the bar. He finally had enough, dumped her, never once touched her. She still had the key, so she got into his place and pawned off all his shit. He caught her in his place one afternoon. He grabbed her arm and escorted her out of the place. She had a bruise from his thumb on her arm. She reported it, and despite them not having a relationship any longer and her entering his apartment without permission… he got thrown in jail for a night. Don’t do shit, walk away.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I can believe that, there are always going to be double standards between men and women.
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 30, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Roger's just fucked his life back to Sam's club
Zuffa won’t be having any of that shit.
What a bastard.
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by lowellthehammer on Jun 30, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions
Wow...
I just read the full report, and, um…..yeah. Yup.
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FUCK this guy.
GTFO Rogers, your wife is apparently the only person you can hurt these days and that doesn’t make it right for you to do it.
I imagine rogers had a pretty rough upbringing and something like this may have been a regular occurence for him when he was younger. However. How does one get the nerve to physically go after a woman? Its something I will never understand for as long as I live. Rough upbringing or not, I personally find the act inexscusable. And I don’t believe rogers to be an evil guy or anything. But getting his mind right and making sure he never puts his family at risk again should be the only thing on his mind at this point.
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by HERZ on Jun 30, 2011 3:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Bullshit on the upbringing.
It’s a fucking excuse and it’s retarded. A lot of people had really shitty childhoods and don’t beat on women and children.
The Complaint gets worse and worse as you read it
Rogers and T.R.’s children…told the neighbor that they were afraid to go home, and that their father had "choked" them in the past.
His daughters are 9 and 10. Rogers is loathsome.
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No Roy. This is NOTHING like that. Fuck.
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Someone
should tweet him the full report
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i just did
but the way he is making jokes about the situation, i doubt he is read it because he is coming off looking like a jackass
yeah
Didn’t rampage kill a baby? “Allegedly”?
by HorseMeatBro on Jun 30, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually he was factually cleared of that, no allegation about it allegedly
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by ProfessorBLove on Jun 30, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yikes
Get help brett, shouldnt be beating up on anyone who isnt a pro fighter, let alone your wife and kids.
Shouldnt have read the report, put me in a sour mood.
Kind of fucked up in retrospect how most of us were pulling for him to beat the “bad guy” Josh Barnett
by b2tharad on Jun 30, 2011 3:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yea
I almost always rooted for Brett. Terrible.
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2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
agree
I was there for the event and always clap and cheer any fighter coming out (sans Tito) feel bad that i cheered this guy.
See this is one of the things that I often wondered, what’s the relationship like between the gf/wife of a mma fighter who’s on a bad skid? I would imagine that some guys can easilly chok it up to the “you win some, you lose some” mentality (Pat Barry), but I can also see some guys being incredibly depressed (Pulver). Being on a 3,4, or 5+ losing streak and not understanding why because you’re doing your best, getting drunk at home and then getting into it with your spouse all seem rather disastrous to me. Too much pressure to perform, depression, financial woes, confusion of not performing well or why me etc. is a powder keg just waiting to go off. Not making any excuses, just sayin…
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 30, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions
I agree
that was the first thing that went through my head.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
But...
that could be said for any profession or lack thereof. I’m sure this is a huge problem right now, considering the economy and job market. My brother is going through it right now and he would NEVER do anything remotely like this.
I think the difference is these people fight for a living
As fucked up as it sounds, I can picture a scenario where someone who keeps losing at their sport take out the aggression on someone who they can definitely beat, like their wife. Not trying to defend the behavior at all…its completely and utterly disgusting. But if someone was screwed up enough in the head, I could see how that “logic” might work its way into their head
Of course that is true
but like I said, it could be the same at any profession. It isn’t really a good thing to single out combat athletes when it doesn’t appear to be an industry problem.
Just like Super Bowl Sundays, DV issues are higher because of drunk idiot fans.
All I’m saying is, while the statement is probably true, it can be said of anyone at any job or facet of life where it may be going badly.
I liked Rogers up until this point. There’s never, ever, a good excuse for a man this size to get violent with a woman, or children. I bring up size because it’s totally possible for a situation where a female gets violent to arise, and a man not be able to defend himself…Rogers is a trained, 300 pound man though, and of course would have no problem restraining a woman who was getting physical.
As for him laying hands on his children, well, that’s fucking insane. Not only do I hope he does time, I hope the man gets the help needed for him to one day be able to face the family members he hurt, apologize, and never lay a finger on them again.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 30, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
honestly it doesnt even matter about size
a man, reguardless of size should never get violent with a woman or children, its the true sign of a scum bag
Said it above, and I’ll say it here. Chick comes at me with a weapon it’s on. Any other case, then of course, just take it or block it and leave.
I’d never consider a guy who was fighting for his life a scumbag, regardless of the gender of his attacker.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 30, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
Just watched that recent movie The Roommate (unfortunately) with my gf. Even my gf was excited when that guy punched that psycho chick right in the face. She was all like “Knock that bitch out! Knock that bitch out!”, I lol’d.
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 30, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The report wasn’t very detailed about him harming the kids though so I’d be careful before drawing any conclusions there.
If someone asked me when I was 10 years old if my parents had laid hands on me recently the answer would have been yes too. I was slapped when I acted up and at no point in my life have I ever held it against them.
If the child abuse was beyond that, disgusting and I hope he goes away for a long time.
Is this charge worse than assault with a deadly weapon?
Because he is a professional fighter, I thought that your abilities made you essentially a deadly weapon and you faced higher consequences for assaulting people than an average citizen.
And I hope this is the highest charge of assault there is.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
what a scum bag, saddest part is this
T.R. was released from the hospital at approximately 4:30 p.m. Rogers and T.R.’s children, who had been staying with a neighbor while their mother was in the hospital, told the neighbor that they were afraid to go home, and that their father had "choked" them in the past. An officer attempted to meet with T.R. to take follow-up photos of what he expected would have developed into significant bruising. T.R. refused to meet with the officer and told him that the assault was her fault.
anytime a woman thinks getting beaten by a professional fighter is somehow her fault, well thats just sad. Nate Marquardt may have screwed the pooch big time but atleast he isn’t a piece of trash human being
It's bad enough she's just positioning herself for more abuse in the future,
but the real problem is that she’s letting the children remain in such a volatile environment.
To be honest, I think that Wanda Sykes commercial where she warns the teenagers about throwing around the word "gay" because it contains such offensive connotations actually makes a really good point...No Homo.
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This is all fucking nuts. I'm kinda trippin about it.
Rags to riches to rags. This dude fucked up a great thing.
I feel bad for the kids.
The wife seems to be broken and dependent on Rogers.
T.R. had obvious signs of
injury on her face, including a golf ball size bump above her left eyebrow, a bump on her right 4
eyebrow, and one in the middle of her forehead, injuries to her ears and jaw, along with blood on
her face and a missing tooth. She also had injuries to her neck and back. T.R. repeatedly denied
that she had been assaulted and said she had simply fallen on the ground
I hope the wife gets help and Rogers gets locked up.
The wife has battered woman syndrome
Its classic in cases of long term abuse and she needs professional help and needs to get away for the sake of her kids if anything.
http://unintelligentdefense.blogspot.com
by MattParker117 on Jun 30, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Was thinking about the two year comment from the statement...
Seems like too much, too fast. Failed in his attempt against Fedor and maybe started to spiral out after that. Got all that hype, rags to riches story, and then failed and has never been the same. All this shit thrust on him and so instead of handling it like an adult, decides to drink his woes away and beat his family. All speculation.
I believe
That the two years is because the law is written to where they can only go back two years on abuse in MN. Not sure on that though.
I just meant, I thought
the kids said something about two years, I would have to go re-read it and I am against time constraints. That’s all, I didn’t actually mean from a legal standpoint, but interesting info though.
MMA fighter laying hands on his wife
Disgusting
I am Genuinely going to miss Macho Man Randy Savage. RIP
So I guess this kinda makes Josh Barnett the good guy right?
Right?……………….anyone?…………..no?
Learn JiuJitsu.
by RolloTomasi on Jun 30, 2011 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Man, those kids are the biggest victims here. Can’t imagine watching dad pound on mom in the back yard and ever having the stomach to call him my father ever again. Rogers wife needs some help as well, although she is clearly a victim here, she needed to take some action and get herself and her children out of that situation long ago. Some of the blame for what her children went thru and have to deal with in the future falls on her for not leaving at the first signs of abuse.
by Johnny Hopkins on Jun 30, 2011 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
It's horrible.
Children who have been exposed to domestic abuse or suffered abuse themselves are permanently mentally scarred. There’s no way to repair that damage, the best that can be done for them is to teach them to live with it for the rest of their lives. Live with the trauma. That’s literally the best that can be done. Even if they get help many still suffer from long battles with PTSD and never really “get better”.
This is why I love the BE community
I took a glance at Junkie’s comment section and it’s disgusting.
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by LRaunThaDamaja on Jun 30, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
On Mania one guy made a semi-coherent statement...
and they told him he probably belongs on bloodyelbow.com lmao
by Brandon Starr on Jun 30, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Epic fail.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
I was about to make a joke...
then i read the full report.
Fuck that guy. I hope dana keeps his strikeforce contract running so when he gets out of jail in a decade he can get the shit beat out of him until he cries, legally.
One piece of advice:
Don’t ever make a joke about DV if you want to remain a member at BE.
Coming from experience…
"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift
BloodyElbow hates DV, rape, and DUI. Probably kidnapping too but that hasn't come up yet.
by Brandon Starr on Jun 30, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It has. I'm pretty sure I banned a guy for making a kidnapping joke actually.
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by Richard Wade on Jun 30, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Noted. BE hates kidnapping. Do we hate bears or attacks by bears?
by Brandon Starr on Jun 30, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That's probably safe.
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Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten
by Richard Wade on Jun 30, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent. Fuck bears. They're all just hiding in the woods waiting to attack and they think I'm just gonna stand around and wait for that?
Fuck no. I’m coming for you bears. Luckily, we do not have bears on Maui. I have outsmarted the bears. MauiPimpin: 1 Bears: 0
by Brandon Starr on Jun 30, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
There was an article in the paper a while ago and the headline was “Bear mauls 10 people”. My first thought was “What the fuck were the other nine people doing?” Turns out, they were standing around watching.
Maybe - someone said that Anderson would screw with Vitor by revealing he kidnapped Vitor's daughter.
I know the dude got banned. Was that you?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 30, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the one.
Bolts from the Blue // "I eat cereal out of a giant novelty wine glass because it makes me feel fancy." - Britney Wade
Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten
You can add abortion jokes to that list too, some mods don’t appreciate that. Just a heads up.
by Horselover Fat on Jun 30, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
OH MY
This dude needs some intensive therapy immediately following his jail sentence (if he is guilty that is). Say goodbye to your presence in SF. No way the UFC keeps him.
If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!
he is guilty, read the full report
there are witnesses (children and neighbors) and documented major physical damage to the wife
by squaresphere on Jun 30, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, most likely but I always err on the side of caution on stuff like this. I was falsely accused of stealing a necklace in grade school and was never exonerated and everyone believed I did it. That has made me very reluctant to jump to conclusions when I have no facts or evidence to examine.
If heavyweight isn't the toughest division in the UFC, then why doesn't someone that can kick their asses move to it? They don’t even have to cut weight!!
Awful
I feel for his family.
I am also super-stoked for the inevitable “MMA FIGHTER BEATS WIFE, CHILDREN” headlines.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
I hear you
But PR is soooo far from what I care about here. I hope the kids have a grandparent or other caretaker that can be relied uon.
I'm in PR, so I tend to think about it right away
you’re right of course. The family is the foremost concern, but this story could have far-reaching impact if it gets going.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jun 30, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, and I get it
I know irresponsible, biased douches will try to ascribe these actions to the MMA community as a whole. There are just way more important matters at play here.
Did Barnett just became a…hero?
Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves
by spectaa on Jun 30, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well fuck
I guess I’m happier he won now. I wonder if perhaps if Rogers had won then maybe this wouldn’t have happened?
#blamebarnett
http://mixedmartialartsblogger.wordpress.com/
by Cory Braiterman on Jun 30, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet that Barnett regrets now that he didn’t elbow his face a little.
"... All reined up in old language and old assumptions, straining to jump clean-hoofed on to a whole new track of being I only suspect is there. I can't see it, because my educated, average head is being held at the wrong angle..."
Somewhere, right now
Nate Marquardt is celebrating
Brett Roger's isn't a man. He's a fucking sub human pos.
I will not be watching any organization that puts Rogers in a fight. Instant boycott. I suggest you all do the same. Men need to stand against this and ruin people like this through the means available to us. Honour means something and it’s not just some martial arts philosophy. This is so unacceptable men with honour must stand against Rogers.
@rask4p on Twitter
by rask4p on Jun 30, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
People are going a little far with the Rogers hate IMO.
What he did was terrible, he deserves justice. His wife and children are victims of a horrible situation that was of Brett’s making and they deserve justice as well.
But I can’t help but feel a little bad for him too. No one does shit like this out of the blue, there must be some horrible demons lurking in his psyche.
I hope Brett is punished according to the law, but after that I hope he can turn his life back around.
by BWV988 on Jun 30, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Judge not lest ye be judged....
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone…
etc.
WTF?
Let he who has beat his wife to a bloody pulp and choked his kids cast the first stone.
"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift
by sgiblin on Jun 30, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To be more clear
Again, I’m not saying Brett isn’t responsible for his actions. He most certainly is. and I hope he’s punished accordingly.
But he’s obviously a seriously broken individual with a lot of problems who was most likely beaten himself as a kid. I just don’t have it in me to hate a person to the point where I think he should just be considered an irredeemable monster. He fucked up big time and will go to jail, and he deserves to.
But after his debt to society (and his family if that’s possible) is paid, I hope he can turn his life back around and make something of himself again. Everyone deserves that chance. That’s the point of our justice system, or so I thought.
How many can I throw?
Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves
by spectaa on Jun 30, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As many as it takes.
"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift
There is nothing that could absolve him of responsibility for this.
The victims here are the victims, Rogers isn’t one of them. You can pretend that this is somehow partially justified that a 300 lbs man knocked the teeth out of a women in front of her child, but you should take a serious look at your perspective on the world.
@rask4p on Twitter
by rask4p on Jun 30, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think you should take a serious look at what I wrote. I’m not absolving Brett for what he’s done. As I said I hope he’s punished to the fullest extent of the law.
But again, no sane, rational person does what he did for fun. I don’t hate the man even if I hate what he did. What I’m saying is none of us know the guy, or anything about his life or the situation other than what we’ve read.
Normally I'd agree that we shouldn't judge
But after reading that report, fuck that guy.
I rarely tweet
I less-rarely write
"I ain't having it" - Buster Posey, hosing folks down
You're right, none of us know him.
His actions are unforgivable and unjustifiable and I will not support him either directly or indirectly by watching any of his fights or any organization that employees him as a fighter. What he did is unacceptable and you need to take a good look at yourself if you feel he deserves your support.
@rask4p on Twitter
by rask4p on Jun 30, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m not saying I support him or his actions in any way. I was never a fan of his to begin with, and most likely will never be. I agreed that what he did was unacceptable.
Sorry if I’m not a sufficiently hateful person for you, but it is what it is. I think you should take a good look at yourself for hating someone you don’t know so vehemently.
Why exactly are you rushing to forgive this guy? My particular brand of morality says that these actions are sufficiently bad that I no longer want to have anything to do with Rogers whereas yours is searching for a reason to forgive him and give him support in the future. That’s fine, it’s your choice to make. I’m not calling for anything beyond what is seen as fair and just from the legal system, but I have the right to spend my money and support who I want. Rogers will never be one of the people that benefits from my actions again because his behaviour is abhorent.
What possible reason would there be to support Rogers over another fighter who didn’t act this way. Why should Rogers being an MMA fan result in supporting people who committ these actions.
@rask4p on Twitter
I’m not rushing to forgive or support anyone. My point is that I’m not rushing to hate him either. What he did was unequivocally wrong, that is without question.
The whole “he’s a sub human pos” or “he deserves to die” and such are over the top in my opinion. I don’t understand why saying “we shouldn’t hate the man like he’s some sort of monster” is equivalent to saying “I forgive and support him” to you.
I haven’t absolved or excused any thing he’s done. I’m just saying that none of us know anything about the guy or his life and condemning him for life isn’t a place I’m prepared to go.
Firstly, I’ve never suggested that he should die. Why exactly should his actions not result in hate? He mercilessly beat his wife, in front of her children (I would have thought he was going to beat her to death if I was one of the kids), choked her unconscious (I would have thought she was dead if I was one of the kids), and has reportedly choked his children in the past. I feel justified in my response.
Rogers most definitely is a monster in the eyes of those kids and judging by the statements of his wife I would guess that she is scared shitless. For me, he’s not a monster. He’s a pos wife beater who will never receive a dime of my entertainment money. I don’t like wife beaters. I really don’t like child abusers. If that seems extreme to you then it is what it is.
@rask4p on Twitter
We just see it differently then. Maybe it’s my Buddhist upbringing, as the Buddha said:
“Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one getting burned.”
I feel that hating someone is worse for you than it is for them. We’ll just agree to disagree.
Someone who beats their kids is reprehensible, regardless of background, enviroment, or social status.
by VirtualBalboa on Jun 30, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You know why intelligent grown men don’t lionize/hero worship other grown men just because they’re pro fighters? Because pro fighters happen to people like this. Not all of them. But more than a couple.
People idolize and treat fighters like gods everywhere. Look at that post some guy put up yesterday had about how MMA is deeply inspirational to him, or some of the posts in this thread about Rogers as a real life Rocky. He’s a wife and kid beating scumbag; he was never any of these things. And he’s not the first or the last who will be involved in the wonderous world of cagefighting, just as there are tons of despicable people in boxing.
Point is that grown men shouldn’t be surprised that other grown men do terrible things in spite of having a public persona, particularly when their vocation is beating people up.
by VirtualBalboa on Jun 30, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Just In
Brett Rogers has been fired by Zuffa
http://unintelligentdefense.blogspot.com
by MattParker117 on Jun 30, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
What a fucking terrible lowlife, scumbag. Reading through that report was disgusting. There’s pretty much nothing worse in the world than people who beat on their wife and kids. Hope this asshole rots in jail for a real long time. Sometimes a guy is just accused of something, but here you have serious damage on his wife documented, and eye witness accounts by his own child and a neighbor. I’ve never liked the guy to begin with, always thought he had a shitty attitude and seemed like an asshole… this is way worse than I ever expected though. Fuck him, and everyone else like him. They are the scum of the earth.
Another sad factoid
Josh Barnett now has two wins over professional MMA fighters who’ve beaten the hell out of their wives.
Bobby Hoffman, who went and did a prison bid after nearly killing his wife in a domestic dispute.
by VirtualBalboa on Jun 30, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
There's not much to say
1. Assuming all the facts in this story are true, he has a history of serious domestic violence
2. He will likely go to prison for a significant length of time
3. His MMA career is over for the foreseeable future
Good Riddance
Clearly Barnett was too good to him, should have put some GNP on this scumbag
aka BuckeyedBear34
Was just thinking about my non-mma watching friends who are always joking with me that “everyone in mma is a wife-beater” and I’m always arguing with them about how that’s BS.
The scumbag will never see again hopefully either relatives or child services will hopefully step in.
http://unintelligentdefense.blogspot.com
by MattParker117 on Jun 30, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck Brett Rogers
After this, you are no longer considered a fighter, you’re just a bitch ass tire salesman who beats his wife.
I personally hope he is allowed to continue fighting, and that his next opponents are : Fedor again, Reem again, Cain, Junior, Shane, Brock, Vlad, Bigfoot, Barnett again, Mittrione, Kongo, and anyone else who can smash his face in for our viewing pleasure.
After that, I hope they lock him up and that he gets brutally pounded in the ass with no lubrication every day until he is released. Then I hope they allow him back in MMA again so we can watch the murderer’s row dispatch more justice.
Also, these are so much more fun to watch now. If anyone has any other GIFs of Brett getting his ass whooped, please post away. :)
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jun 30, 2011 6:02 PM EDT reply actions
Josh Barnett......American Hero!
Learn JiuJitsu.
by RolloTomasi on Jun 30, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
THIS goes TOO FAR!!!
but wait, PED-Man over the (alleged) woman beater?! I’m in…
"No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
I knew I could count on you Rollo
Find some more! :)
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jun 30, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Man
Don’t you wish Fedor, Reem & Barnett knew what kind of guy Brett really was before they fought him?
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jun 30, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It's stupid
and fairly juvenile, but I thought the exact same thing.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Jun 30, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True.
I just want to see him suffer.
I think in reality, the best way to get Brett is to plaster this story on every newspaper, news show, website, etc. so that his actions can be recognized by the masses. He wanted to pull this shit in public on his front lawn? Let the world know.
Prison is going to be a good start, but more often than not, people come out of jail worse off than when they went in. Also add the fact that this is already an established pattern for him, and it’s obvious that he needs to be remembered for his crime, and not just by hardcore MMA fans.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jun 30, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I for one will make sure the media reminds people in the future.
If I see Rogers is getting a fight I’m going to do everything I can to remind people. His career needs to be done.
@rask4p on Twitter
The good thing is...
…I don’t think many Athletic Commissions will allow him to be licensed with that on his record, and hopefully he’ll be past competing age if/when he gets released (crossing fingers for more time for bad behavior). Of course there are certain states who may allow it, and even others with no ACs, but overall I believe that if this gets reasonable coverage his career should be over.
But hell yeah brother, I’m with you. I’ll be reminding the fuck out of people about this monster and what he’s done.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jul 1, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish there was a video on TMZ of Roger Huerta knocking out Brett Rogers right now.
by Sqwibbs on Jun 30, 2011 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Obviously Brett Rogers is horrible
But far too many people treat these situations (refer back to the Tito/Jenna story) as some sort of opportunity to ride in on the proverbial White Horse and act like the defender of the abused everywhere.
No matter how “disgusted” you feel, it’s worse for Rogers’ family. Hopefully they all get their lives back on track, Brett included.
AS GOD AS MY WITNESS, HE IS BROKEN IN HALF.
I’m having a hard seeing the point you’re trying to make.You want us to play along and not act like we’re disgusted even though we are… is that it? Of corse it’s worse for them, who even said the contrary?
Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves
I just get the sense that these things turn into a pissing contest between commenters to see who is more honorable
Refer back to the Tito thread.
AS GOD AS MY WITNESS, HE IS BROKEN IN HALF.
Oy
I’m impressed with Mania fwiw. It took something so heinous as wife-beating to get Geno to lay down the law.
What a shitty situation this is for everyone involved, especially the kids. They have the least control over any of this.
http://mixedmartialartsblogger.wordpress.com/
by Cory Braiterman on Jun 30, 2011 7:00 PM EDT reply actions
He couldnt beat a decent HW
so he took it out on his family…what a puss. I’m glad fedor and the reem rocked his shit and josh barnett subbed him.
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