Vulgar Culture, Dana White, and MMA's Mainstream Potential
Over the past two decades, mixed martial arts has carved a highly sustainable niche in the North American sports market due to one primary factor: its product is eminently digested by the coveted young, male demographic. MMA is fast-paced, (relatively) simple to understand, and hyper-violent, appealing to a primal instinct often ignored or repressed in our everyday lives. The glossy packaging of the UFC has allowed this product to creep up to the very edge of mainstream popularity, a fact that members of the astute Internet fan community constantly obsess over, making it a sort of Holy Grail to be constantly pursued.
Whatever constitutes being "mainstream" - be it a lucrative network television deal or simply top billing on the evening's SportsCenter - has been positioned by MMA fans as the ultimate desire for the sport's consumers, athletes, and businessmen. "Mainstream" is a status that will surely validate the fandom of many who were with the sport in its dark ages, bring much greater revenue to the fighters who risk their health for our entertainment while also bringing in higher-caliber athletes, and maybe even purge the sport of unwanted tropes such as hideous fan apparel and Nu-Metal theme songs.
As MMA has gradually drawn nearer to mainstream acceptance, however, the culture of the sport seems to have developed an identity crisis.
North America's first real crossover star fighter was Chuck Liddell, with his mohawk, beer belly, and thunderous overhand right. Liddell's notoriety was as much a product of his rugged appearance and playboy lifestyle as it was his knockout prowess. The vacuum created by Liddell's decline and eventual retirement was filled by two fighters who couldn't be more different: Brock Lesnar, a brash, hillbilly former pro-wrestler; and Georges St. Pierre, a handsome yet quiet French-Canadian. Pulling in his wake a massive pro-wrestling fan base, Lesnar took the sport to new heights as its most charismatic, if controversial, figure. Through a combination of dominance, charm, and a rabid Canadian fan base, St. Pierre has become a massive draw in his own right, albeit not to the extent of Lesnar.
Over the past eight months, however, Lesnar has become somewhat marginalized. His dismantling at the hands of Cain Velasquez last October as well as recurrent intestinal problems have made him an afterthought in the heavyweight division. As for St. Pierre, well, he fights roughly twice a year for a promotion that runs ten times as many events. Neither man really carries the banner of MMA in North America. That task is left to - or, rather, commandeered - by the president of the UFC, one Dana White. And as the face of the UFC, he's cultivated an image that many fans loathe. More importantly, though, his personality has permitted or maybe even created an environment in which the sport's best fighters and biggest stars are prone to public relations nightmares the likes of which most major sports executives desperately try to avoid.
Therein lies the identity crisis to which I alluded earlier. The young male demographic that makes up MMA's "base", so to speak, generally disregards the frequent PR mishaps in the sport. Rather than condemning such actions, many of them enjoy Dana White calling Loretta Hunt a "fucking dumb bitch" or Joe Rogan calling Tomas Rios a "fag". Indeed, it's not a stretch to assume such expletives are a part of the "casual" fan's lexicon. But what is said amongst a dozen friends drinking beers and what comes from the mouths of two of the sport's most recognizable faces are completely separate matters. The UFC is a product, and as a sport it is attempting to be as widely palatable as possible without fundamentally changing the athletic competition itself. So, while the "base" rabidly eats up such snafus, it runs counter to the objective of making as many fans as possible, thereby going mainstream.
This topic has seen renewed interest in recent days after Quinton Jackson 's interview with Karyn Bryant following UFC 130. In that interview, "Rampage" flirted suggestively with Bryant, as he's done quite often with female reporters in the past. Most who saw the interview greeted it with laughter, though some went far into bigoted extremes that need not be repeated. Needless to say, the interview sparked quite a bit of controversy, with writers from Brent Brookhouse to Maggie Hendricks opining on the subject. To Hendricks, Jackson responded with claims that she must be "ass ugly." Joe Rogan chimed in by calling her "cunty". Unfortunately, most fans aware of the situation are in agreement with Jackson and Rogan and encourage such remarks as if they're some hard truth that needs to be spoken.
While these comments are certainly unsavory, the fact is that they alone will not inhibit the growth of MMA. What may, however, is the environment that fosters and encourages them, which has been cultivated ever since Dana White famously asked, "Do you wanna be a fucking fighter?" It's an environment in which vulgarity and insensitivity are commonplace, dismissed as the obvious, inevitable by-product of men who fight in a cage for a living.
Just two weeks ago, Kobe Bryant was fined six figures for using the same term that Rogan used. And while the two certainly aren't comparable in stature, the NBA is nowhere near the precarious position MMA currently is. What happens when families attempt to get into the sport, only to find a culture that not only allows but also extols such slander? If his own half-hearted apologies in the past are any indication, White doesn't want to risk losing his legions of fans over keeping his employees and fighters on the straight and narrow. After all, here is a man whose sympathies go out to convicted felon, cheater, and racist Chael Sonnen.
In the age we live, political correctness is very often an obstruction to honest discourse. It is, however, a fact of life, and one that must be dealt with to achieve any monumental task. Getting such a violent sport as MMA to the mainstream is one such monumental task. So when downright disgraceful statements are permitted, a stain is rubbed ever deeper into the fabric of the sport, and the image to be presented to the masses is increasingly vandalized. Stamping out this bigoted, insensitive culture is vital to the progression of MMA, and no one has more responsibility or capability to do so than Dana White himself. Too bad he seems to be as absorbed by the culture as any shirtless meathead with "JUST BLEED" plastered across his chest.
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Most families are never going to get into mixed martial arts, no matter how it’s packaged.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 3, 2011 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
True, but we must work to get all the eyes we can.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I've seen many a family in UFC crowds
I think others buy PPVs too
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
You should write more often.
Consider that the SF Giants just released an “It Gets Better” video (not surprising, considering their HQ city). Charles Barkeley just said he’s played pro basketball with gay guys. We’re stuck with this shit.
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:15 PM EDT reply actions
I will now that school's over
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
My girlfriend's 8-y-old has been singing Alice Cooper's "School's Out" nonstop.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
She's a keeper
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 3, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
it wouldnt be Derek's first run-in with the law...
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
by Anthony Pace on Jun 3, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Time for MMA to Grow Up
The language used by White, Rogan, Jackson etc.
will only serve to slow the growth of MMA over-all,
for though Bryant is a willing participant in their Junior High high-jinks and gutter laguage,
most of the viewing & buying public likely are not.
The likelihood of a full-blown lawsuit cannot be too distant in the future
and its’ ramifications will cripple MMA if it is both handled and responded to in anything less than an adult polite and sincere manner.
MMA needs to take a long hard look at how the atheletesl promoters and all concerned in the other big sports behave and take a lesson from it.
The laws of this land apply to everyone whether they like it or not and irregardless of what they think of them.
I dread the picture of White, Rogan, Jackson or anyone involved with MMA being slapped with a Hate Crime suit
for it will besmirch the efforts names and lives of everyone associated with MMA.
If MMA becomes a parriah, the flirty media types will just move on to the next big thing,
leaving the innocent fighters, their teams, their families, their livlihoods and the legacies in the dust.
MMA will either Grow Up
or be brought low.
Honestly I could give two shits if mma was mainstream
I can easily watch fights when they are on, in HD
There is plenty on the internet about it.
Good enough for me. It can stay just like it is for the next 40 years and I wouldn’t care. Hell, it could regress a little and I wouldn’t care. I don’t make money off this sport, I am just here to be entertained. And it entertains me, as is.
by dbcb on Jun 3, 2011 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Pretty selfish
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I kind of hate that attitude… It is not selfish to not want MMA to change. It is selfish of others to ask it to change to appease them.
by schm1583 on Jun 4, 2011 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It is not selfish to not want MMA to change
It kinda is: It’s good enough for me, so it’s good enough. People want MMA to get bigger for the sake of MMA, not theirs.THAT is loving the sport IMO.
Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves
Are you really loving the sport if you want it to change into something else for others to love it?
by schm1583 on Jun 4, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How does asking Joe Rogan to stop calling people fags and cunts online
have any effect on Koscheck’s power double, Jose Aldo’s knees, Shogun’s leg kicks, Demian Maia’s triangle choke, Lyoto Machida’s opportunism, Rampage’s slams, or Paul Daley’s left hook? Is Dana White’s freedom to call a reporter a bitch what made Edgar vs. Maynard III a fantastic fight?
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-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jun 4, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is Dana White’s freedom to call a reporter a bitch what made Edgar vs. Maynard III a fantastic fight?
Don’t leave a brother hanging, PM me with who wins, when and how so I make make some serious coin on my asymmetrical information…
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
by The American Ronin on Jun 6, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
it may however...
someday have an effect on how much those people make for those skills.
by trickthethaifighter on Jun 29, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
i want it on free tv all the time
and to be able to intelligently talk about it with more than just 1 or 2 people i know
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
by milk72 on Jun 3, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
For real
I have like 3 friends, who I can intelligently talk MMA with (as compared to all of my friends who can talk football, hockey and baseball).
In fact, one of my friends who is “knowledgeable” about MMA just “informed” me that Brock Lesnar bailed on his fight, probably cause he knows that Dos Santos is gonna do to him what Velasquez already did…
Needless to say, if MMA was discussed on SportsCenter, or Fox Sports or whatever…it would not be a bad thing
I too
wish I could talk to more people intelligently about MMA, but with the popularity of the NFL, MLB and NBA I find VERY VERY few people who can talk intelligently about them.
i want espn to talk more about jones ducking suga instead of this lockout shit
haha jk im tired of both and yes i do care about the nfl
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by BO_knows_MMA on Jun 4, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you noticed that the bigger the port becomes, the better it is for fans & fighters?
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
as long as UFC destroys the other competitors
and brings everyone under one umbrella, so we don’t have the alvarez’s, melendez’s, overeem’s of the world and I get to see them fight the best
then I am good.
No I haven’t notice it being better. The free cards are still pretty shitty and not worth the hours of commercials. PPV are still about once a month, which is all i can afford anyway. Fighters are getting paid more… and thats good for them. but it doesn’t directly affect me one iota.
More pay = more attractive for athletes = more high-caliber athletes joining MMA.
It’s very simple.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think mma will ever reach the status where it pulls the best athletes in the world like the nfl and nba do.
You won’t see young, black males saying they want to be Jon Jones. It is too expensive to get into mma
No, but we must maximize potential for that to happen. It's a goal to strive for.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I really disagree
College football players, who don’t make the NFL are already starting to cross over (OSP, Gian Villante.. plus I’m sure there are more I’m not thinking of).
Then there are the guys like Rex Richards, Matt Mitrione, Brendan Schaub, Wes Schivers, Marcus Jones (I know he retired)…even Hershall Walker.
The point is that there are TONS of top level college athletes who may have been wrestling stars, but chose football because of the bigger profit.
But now if they can’t make it to the NFL they have another option instead.
Just imagine if Stephen Neal (The guy who beat Brock Lesnar in the NCAA HW Championship) decided to train in MMA instead of the NFL…he’d be a HW Champion
by Fedorable on Jun 3, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
cmon now mma isnt hockey
i am a young mixed fellow and all day in my lame factory job all i think about is mma and training my only ral dream is to make it to the big stage and i do have some friends that are also dreamers some of which are from the african american community
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by BO_knows_MMA on Jun 4, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
mma gyms are very expensive
at least the ones around here are.
gyms are generally $100-$200 a month
it’s not cheap but it’s not break the bank money either.
"Serious sport is war minus the shooting."
George Orwell
about the cost of all the gear you would need to play football or basketball to some extent. and definitely for baseball between shoes, bats, gloves, batting gloves, bags….sports are expensive all together.
by trickthethaifighter on Jun 29, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
seriously?
So you would prefer the UFC from 6 years ago, when you had to pay to see any type of MMA fight..
Since the beginning of 2010 alone we’ve got to see such fighters as:
- Phil Davis
- Lil Nog
- Melvin Guillard
- Kenny Florian
- Jon Jones
- Junior Dos Santos
- Gray Maynard
- Demian Maia
So, to say that Free cards are shitty is pretty ridiculous.
by Fedorable on Jun 3, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I tend to disagree. There are some pluses such as getting better athletes, but it is kind of like top selling movies. You ever notice people’s fav movie is almost never a blockbuster movie. It is because blockbuster movies( i.e. movies who apply to the masses) are only ok but not great due to the fact that to appeal to more people they lose some of what the individual loves.
That MMA isn't beholden to those more delicate sensibilities makes it the healthier sport.
Basketball is a huge business. As a business, its job is to grow. Because it’s already so big, its opportunities for growth are limited, so it needs to avoid alienating any significant segment of the population.
MMA is much smaller, and thus has much greater growth potential. Since it doesn’t need to worry about alienating small subsets of the population, it can cater more directly to its core fans, thus strengthening its base.
Hardcore fans are important, because they give the spectacle legitimacy in the eyes of casual fans. Raph Koster, formerly with Sony Online Entertainment, wrote an excellent paper about how hardcore fans are a necessary part of any fanbase because they offer a sort of anchor from which to grow.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
The UFC built its entire model with the goal of self-sustainability in mind – that the hardcores themselves could fund and grow the sport on PPV and, as it became more profitable, the mainstream would begrudgingly admit it was wrong and let MMA in. It’s a long, slow crawl, but I believe we’re making progress.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 3, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm
Dana attacked Loretta Hunt, not Maggie Hendricks. Maggie Hendricks was attacked by Joe Rogan. I think for the male base to respect female journalists, being able to tell them apart might be a good start :P
thanks!
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
Rec'd
Everyone is bitching that either
- A) We’re being to sensitive about this
or - B) Who cares, I like MMA where it is right now…I don’t care if it grows.
But growth means:
- Hopefully complete sanctioning of the sport (I live in NY
- More opportunities for fights
- More opportunities for fighters
Which hopefully would lead to more elite level athletes, and the skill level of MMA rising.
Mainstream?
What is “mainstream” specifically? Everyone throws the term around, but no one really defines it.
Is Mainstream having live fight cards on a network? We’ve seen with CBS/Showtime how networks interfere with management issues when it has been done.
Is Mainstream being aired on shows like Sportscenter while “experts” shout out lies, misinformed opinions, or just are plain stupid like in every “mainstream” sport?
To me, and I know this is going to piss people off, this entire “mainstream” thing MMA fans and journalists keep harping on is a reflection on how you perceive the industry. You want validation for yourself, and your fandom. It’s not about what’s “better” for the sport. Having Networks and other powers sticking their hands into the sport is an absolutely terrible thing to have happen. This is all people wishing and hoping for a day where you won’t have to listen to people bitch about “gay ass hugging” in a fight at a bar. But that day will never come, no matter how much respect or “mainstream” MMA gets. There will always be a selection of the public that will harp on negative aspects or complete untruths about the sport. Just like how with any sport there is a section of the population who will never be a fan of it. That’s just how it goes.
And if you truly, truly want the sport to become “mainstream” from the bottom of your heart, how much more can it get? UFC already has network’s battling for it’s presence, We’ve had live CBS specials something Boxing hasn’t had in years, and PPV’s have broken one million buys quite often. What more do you want? There’s more MMA on TV then ever before, special highlights get played by all the major sports news outlets, we’ve even got our own MMA sportscenter with MMA Live. What else IS there?
by Hawk52 on Jun 3, 2011 7:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What I personally want:
—Much, much more money in the sport.
—Even if ESPN is filled with idiots, the UFC cannot blackball them. ESPN can bring a kind of scrutiny that mouthpieces like Ariel Helwani don’t.
—I want more of my friends to watch MMA. It’s easier if it’s covered more and if more free shows are on.
SpikeTV is a joke. This “Guys Choice Awards” stuff embarrasses me, and I have nothing to do with the damn event.
And are you really sure networks would ruin MMA? Strikeforce depended on Showtime to survive. The UFC doesn’t need that. I have no doubt the UFC’s operations wouldn’t be affected by networks outside of some broadcasting choices. Is it really a horrible thing if Les Moonves or someone were to realize Mike Goldberg is horrible and want him out if they’re to air MMA in primetime?
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
by Anthony Pace on Jun 3, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's a niche sport (MMA) in a niche sport class (combat sports)
My arguments is that however low that ceiling may be, we should still try to hit it.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
and Georges St. Pierre, a handsome yet quiet French-Canadian – I read this as “a handsome, yet QUITE French, Candian” made me lol. It’s been a long day..don’t judge me.
If you don't like the effect, don't produce the cause.
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he's pretty damn French-Canadian
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
In spite of my being hyper educated, my punctuation is too poor to be able to convey how I actually read it. But I read it as Being Handsome = positive and being a Candian who is quite French = negative
If you don't like the effect, don't produce the cause.
360Gamertag:Flipadelph1a
even truer
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
I don't really care if MMA gets put on broadcast TV
Cable/Satalite is so prevalent anyway. I’d settle for ESPN/ESPN 2. I think they’d have the stones to remove Mike Goldberg. And They’d probably have Joe Tessitore call the fights, which would be awesome.
Why does everything have to conform
the UFC has made a significant brand on being on the outside of the major sports culture. Why do they have to conform to the ESPN standard (which is own employees are notorious for breaking) that every other major sport merely plays lip service too, they have lived and succeeded on the edge in a culture that is fast changing what is socially acceptable in sports. This is a sport of 2 guys locked in a cage set to the task of making the other submit from extreme pain or knocking them senseless until they cannot defend themselves that does not even have the cloak of innocence that football does by having rules that make that only part of the game instead of the point. MMA is brutal its 2 guys fighting not in large boxing pillow gloves but small gloves that barley pad the knuckles to avoid it being a street fight, why does that need to conform to sportscenter politics that deem it unwholesome to have a commentator say something off color or a fighter react towards the eye candy that they flaunt around the promotion. Mainstream fandom and success is not going to come from censoring the product down and making it vanilla its going to come through getting the main stream to accept the off color fact that 2 guys are beating the shit out of each other for sport and the cultural ties that come along with that.
Free Carlos Guiterrez! Free Chuck James!, Free Anthony Slama!
I can't be bothered channelling my sixteen year old self to parse all that but...
… journalists – or other women, generally speaking – are not “eye candy”. It’s a fighter’s failure to notice that that created this shitstorm in the first place.
"With gold thou boughtest Gýmir's daughter,
and so gavest away thy sword:
but when Muspell's sons through the dark forest ride,
thou, unhappy, wilt not have wherewith to fight."
~ Lokasenna
The sport isn't the problem
It’s the insensitive culture that has to go. Whether it be Joe Rogan calling a reporter cunty, Dana White ranting about a reporter while calling her sources faggots, Rampage dry humping/motorboating/belittling a reporter, Chael Sonnen making thinly veiled racist/xenophobic comments, or Joey Karate making fried chicken and watermelon jokes about African American fighters in fight prediction videos. It all has to stop. Do you want MMA to be known for it’s athletes performances and abilities or it’s insensitive culture?
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Its one thing to change everything about how the sport is presented (ie: Dana won’t stop swearing…ever).
But its another thing to be blatantly sexist. Just because your a violent, brutal sport, which isn’t even sanctioned everywhere in the US, does not mean that you have to act like a complete Neanderthal (by being so disrespectful of women, and most media in general).
i second what every other reply said
but i want to add you can’t seriously think boxing is less brutal because of “pillow gloves”
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
i agree, but some people really think of boxing like that
my grandpa, for one.
by Body Triangle on Jun 29, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Because the sport of mixed martial arts has nothing to do with insulting and harassing people
Those of you who think this is about political correctness are mistaken. It’s about blatantly insulting and slandering people through the deliberate use of slurs or other acts of harassment.
There are a handful of things about this that piss me off.
First – The couple of reporters who have made a big deal of Joe Rogan saying Maggie Hendricks was being ‘cunty’ on a ‘public forum’. The last time I checked, The UG is a ‘private forum’, although it has 300,000+ registered users, it is still a private forum that no one can post in without an account.
Second – all the comparisons of UFC (or Zuffa) to MLB, NFL, and NBA, and to Kobe Bryant’s fines, and how these actions wouldn’t be tolerated by those organizations. Well guess what, the UFC (or Zuffa) is NOT the NBA, NFL, or MLB. The main difference is that all three of those organizations are public companies owned by shareholders, franchisees, and countless others. The UFC (or Zuffa) is a private company owned by 4 people. Therefore they can create their own standards.
Third – Any woman reporter who puts herself in the situation of being fake motorboated, dry-humped, or whatever by Rampage Jackson were not doing their job in the first place and researching the individual they are interviewing or they would know Quinton has a tendency to act this way. ALSO, perhaps really attractive female reporters should know better than to put themselves in the line of fire without first understand the potential consequences. I am not saying that it is right, but that’s the way things are. Would any really attractive woman ever go jogging in Central Park at midnight wearing skimp sporting gear without understanding the potential consequences? I think not.
Fourth – You are a reporter. You make a living off bringing to public eye things in peoples’ lives that maybe they don’t want to be publicized. You as a profession generally piss a lot of people off on a daily basis with your constitutional right of ‘freedom of the press’. You expect to have the right to publicly write your opinions on a daily basis, but get upset when someone else writes their opinions of your opinions? This is a giant double standard. If you don;t want to be criticized, then keep your mouth (or keyboard) shut. It’s really simple.
Fifth – Maggie Hendricks was steering in the right direction by saying that reporters shouldn’t cover Quinton, however she went about it the completely wrong way. Don’t stand on your soapbox and make radical demands that fuel your personal political agenda without expecting further radical rebuttals. You just end up looking like a cunt in the end.
Sixth – I am in the business that receives a lot of media attention. I am a respected chef in a decent sized city and have had my share of criticism, both from the public and from the media. If you are any sort of ‘public figure’ you have to accept that not everyone is going to agree with your views. Some people will be very loud in their disapproval. Being called ‘cunty’ in a private forum is relatively mild in comparison to some of the shit I hear on a daily basis. Americans have gotten too soft. Either grow a thicker skin, or change professions. Simple as that.
long reply...
i take issue with 3 things. just because rampage acts that way, does not make it alright. the only reason he gets away with it is because the ufc blocks access at any point. so if she doesnt put up with rampages shit than she might not get access anymore. same for any other female reporter.
a public forum means you need to join to post, not to read though.
and if people have a problem with reporters doing their job, point out what about their job they did wrong. last i checked “cunty” is not constructive criticism.
and ill completely ignore the jogging at night clothing comment as just plain silly. i mean, no one would be so insensitive as to hint that a woman doing that is just “begging to be raped” right?
by trickthethaifighter on Jun 29, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting logic
Too bad it’s complete bullshit. And I doubt you even believe it, at least enough to stick your real name to it. That’s my litmus test for these complaints about persecuted speech: if you honestly think women joggers are asking to be raped, that Maggie H. is a cunt, and that America needs a thicker skin, put your name on it and accept the consequences. Otherwise, you’re an anonymous troll who enjoys spewing shit that you won’t be held accountible for.
Anonymity has its place in defense of free speech. Saying cunt or faggot without repercussions isn’t it.
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jun 30, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, lets impose “society’s sensibilities” on anyone who might represent MMA to the media. Anyone appearing in public should be allowed to speak thier mind & behave within the law, but only so long as thier actions and opinions are inoffensive to the largest possible cross-section of the population and in accordance with accepted standards for polite discourse.
In fact, its pretty clear Rogan & White & many others in the “MMA Culture” might require a substantial paradigm shift in thier public behavior. People who won’t conform to society’s current version of acceptable behavior are hurtful to society as a whole. If censoring them doesnt work you should probably institute some sort of “re-education” for them until they see the true benefits of the accepted way of thinking and behaving. Maybe camps of some sort, since you’ll probably need to re-educate thier families, too (you know how these anti-social tendencies spread).
Sounds absolutely fascist! I mean fantastic (I’m conforming, I swear!) But hey, whatever it takes to get into that coveted MAINSTREAM, baby!
On a totally unrelated note: Funny how the only speach that really needs protecting is the kind you dont like…whoever you may be (including me)
It's basic fucking civility
Grounded in basic common sense. Come back from the cliff edge, the end isn’t nigh. While your hysterics may have been self-serving, I think that’s the biggest lesson to take away from this: the vast majority of free speech whiners are way too self-absorbed. Your views, unless you put actual work, analysis, or research into crafting them, are pretty worthless. Mine too, for the record. That’s why I shut the fuck up on most issues. Joe Rogan thinks his knowledge of journalism is advanced enough to know cunty writing when he sees it? Then call it out and don’t apologize.for it. Stand by your actions. Or, if you make a mistake and want to apologize, then apologize for your errors, not that copout where you bemoan the overly-sensitive world we’re forced to live in. That’s straight-up cowardice.
In other words, grow up.
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Jun 30, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions

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