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Joe Rogan Apologizes on the Underground

LAS VEGAS - MAY 28:  UFC fighter Rashad Evans (R) reacts to the crowd while speaking to UFC announcer Joe Rogan (L) about his fight against UFC fighter Quinton "Rampage" Jackson at UFC 114: Rampage versus Rashad at the Mandalay Bay Hotel on May 28, 2010 in Las Vegas, Nevada.  (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images)

Joe Rogan returned to the Underground to discuss his use of some choice words for Yahoo! MMA blogger Maggie Hendricks. I think Joe, in an attempt to explain himself, digs himself into a deeper hole here, as it seems that he doesn't understand why he came under fire. 

To wit:

Never did I imagine that so many people would get their panties in a bunch about the use of the word "c*nty" to describe a female blogger, but in this "gotcha" era of online "journalism" we find ourselves in any controversy that can be exploited to fill headlines and pad mandatory blog obligations will be pursued to the extreme.

You can't sit down at your computer, type up a lengthy message board post, and then turn around and claim "gotcha journalism." No one put Joe Rogan on the spot. He volunteered his thoughts on a public forum, and a bunch of people called him out on it. 

As for "exploiting controversy," I'll leave it at this: Brent's post yesterday is still our most trafficked piece today. It's an issue that people want to read about. To quote Kid Nate, "The UFC sells pay-per-views. We sell page views."

My use of the word "c*nty" in retrospect was unfortunate, and more of a symptom of my stand up comic vernacular than what more verbally conservative people would interpret the word as. "C*nty" is just another word for bitchy.

It means exactly the same thing to me, it's just that "c*nty" sounds better and is more fun to use.

I can sympathize with Rogan here. As an entertainer, I grant Rogan leeway in his vernacular, especially when he's on his podcast or doing standup. That's part of the gig.

However, the game changes when we enter the world of fight sport and interacting with the media. Joe, whether he wants to admit it or not, acts as a representative of the UFC. He, behind Dana White, is arguably the most visible face of the organization.

So, when Joe calls Maggie Hendricks (or her writing) "c*nty" he does so as Joe Rogan, UFC broadcaster, and not Joe Rogan, professional comedian. And I believe he is smart enough to understand that distinction.

The term "bitchy" to describe the style of the writer in question and her take on things is both accurate and appropriate.

Changing the word from extremely offensive to moderately offensive doesn't make things better. Again, I can sympathize with him here. I suspect that Joe and I largely agree on words and offensiveness and etc.

But again, you have to remain cognizant of your environment. I'm not going to scream slurs at a NAACP meeting, and I'm not going to demean female members of the media with words like "c*nty" or "bitchy." 

You can disagree with Hendricks, you can lambast her views for being overly sensitive or poorly written or opportunistic or however you feel about her work, without resorting to personal insults, let alone language that steps over the line.

Rogan then posts a couple of pieces from Hendricks at Cagewriter. For the sake of formatting, you can find the links in the Underground post. One is critical of Rogan and Goldberg's commentary at UFC 105, done in almost TWIQ-like fashion, and the other is a very short blurb about Stephen Quadros' appearance at a Showtime event.

Is that journalism? Is that good writing? Is that the kind of thing you could stumble upon while reading the New York Times? Would it make a fine entry in FIGHT magazine? Is sports illustrated pissed off that they missed out on publishing these gems? No, it's bitchy bullshit. "C*nty" writing, if you will.

So, despite calling his use of the word "c*nty" unfortunate, he reinforces it later on. OK.

Then Rogan sets up the classic straw man about blogging where he compares it to more "established' institutions like the New York Times. He continues:

The sport of Mixed Martial Arts is fairly new, and one of the very first sports to be supported and defined by new media. We have an extraordinary amount of websites dedicated to the sport, and in the dark days of being exiled from cable television these sites (including the one I'm posting this on, mixedmartialarts.com) helped keep this sport alive.

Now that the sport is incredibly popular and thriving however, we've reached this saturation point where anyone with a website that writes about this sport wants to be considered a "journalist." People that 20 years ago wouldn't have a shot in hell at a career in writing are now demanding to be taken seriously with their snarky, poorly thought out offerings.

I find the "snarky, poorly thought out offerings" comment incredibly apropos here, no?

And the old "anyone with a website" argument. This argument has been cut to shred numerous times by people more articulate than myself, but sites (and individual writers) don't maintain readership bases by mindlessly publishing content. The internet provides websites and writers a platform for meritocracy. 

If you publish things people want to read, if you establish trust with your readers, you will grow. If every asshat with a keyboard could put together a popular MMA site, we'd have a lot more competition.

This sport is infested with these people, and what they're going to have to realize is that if they want to be writers and they want their stuff to be read and ingested than they themselves must become public figures in the process, and that includes being s*** on for what you put out there. The illusion of anonymity and a lack of repercussions available to the subjects of your work is a thing of the past.

Again. Apropos. The Underground isn't an anonymous internet forum, and what you say on there is subject to public criticism.

My apologies to Maggie Hendricks for calling her "c*nty," and I truly hope I didn't hurt her feelings. My forum post was honest and off the cuff, and I didn't think out the possible reactions to it. I don't know the woman, and I'm sure she's probably a nice person in real life, but if I have a point with any of this it's that when you put negative s*** out there in the form of bitchy blog posts, that shit is going to come right back at you, and you better not be surprised.

When I first read this, I thought it was another half-hearted apology that is typical of these situations. I even had the title all lined up: "Joe Rogan and the Non-Apology Apology." There's been a lot of criticism on Twitter about the apology, but upon reading it a second time, I think it's legit.

He comes right out and apologizes to Hendricks for what he did. I think a lot of people are reading this as "I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings," which I don't think is what's going on here. I think Rogan is being genuine here. I don't think he fully understands the criticism he has received, but I do think this is an honest attempt at extending the olive branch to Hendricks. 

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I just thought he meant

That he was sorry for how he said what he said, but not the subject matter. He was saying that she was stupid, but now trying to be a little less of a dick in his presentation of his beliefs.

Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.

by halitosis on Jun 3, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which part is sad?

The part where someone doesn’t understand how cursing out another human being is abusive? Or the part where it somehow magically becomes not abusive when the people involved are famous?

Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.

by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then you have a strange sense of irony

If by “sad” you meant “entirely appropriate”

Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.

by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes

One person saying bad things in the media about another person in the media is ‘abuse’. Makes perfect sense.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Jun 3, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad we agree

Because apparently some people haven’t grasped that a profanity-laced ad hominem attack is pretty much the textbook example of verbal abuse.

Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.

by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes

To a complete stranger, over the internet.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Jun 3, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

Or to your mom in a telegram, or to the King of China by carrier pigeon. Because the level of acquaintance and the medium of delivery are totally irrelevant to the definition of abuse.

Any other fallacies we can debunk today?

Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.

by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

You're so happy with yourself :)

Yet you don’t get it. Yes, you can call it ‘abuse’, but it just makes you seem a little bit ‘extreme’.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Jun 3, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

cordial?

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yeah.....

That was it.

"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."

" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com

by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It’s Countly isn’t it.

You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?

Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.

by rockied on Jun 3, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congenial?

Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!

by SentientAndroid on Jun 3, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not happy about any of this

Particularly not the part where you miss Rogan’s argument resting on the idea that Maggie Hendricks is just jealous of Karyn Bryant’s looks and should be happy for whatever attention Rampage or any other fighter gives her. Feel free to explain how that isn’t abusive.

If Joe Rogan were some jackass on the street that nobody or knew or cared about, it would still be abusive. But it gets worse when he’s actually “that guy that makes funny on the Yoo-Eff-See” with fans who will parrot his crap or even try to top it.

We do agree that it’s pretty goddamn sad, just not which part.

Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.

by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome!

more posts about how womanhood is equivalent to weakness! Just what this comment section needs!

http://fightdrinker.blogspot.com

by some schmuck in texas on Jun 3, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

or to how knotted up underware would put you in a bad mood.

"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."

" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com

by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

also i find what you said about the

Chinese gov. Very very abusive. They have not had a king for many many years . It’s a sad day when The Peoples Republic of China doesn’t get the recognition it deserves in a comments section of a blog. Do you know all the hard work that goes into keeping China running? And then you make a statement saying that there is some "king " doing all that work. Very very offensive ……..

"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."

" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com

by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 3:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

oh wow lol that totally invalidates everything i just said

you win the internets peace 4 real tho

Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.

by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

of course i won.

There isn’t a world where you would beat me at anything. Except a crying contest.

"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."

" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com

by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 5:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

the punkbitchety levels in america have grown to

Unfathomed levels.

Stay strong Filt …… Stay strong.

"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."

" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com

by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 2:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Dude

you’re pretty sensitive, the world’s a tough place. Sticks and stones man, sticks and stones…

Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!

by SentientAndroid on Jun 3, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you never seen the comments in youtube videos? They’re always filled with arguments and racism and lots of cursing. Why is this any different? Do you complain about youtubers?

by SpinningFistback on Jun 4, 2011 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Coz only disabled kids and ethnic minorities can be "abused"?

If you don’t think that Rogan was abusive then I honestly don’t think you understand the term

"Anyone who enjoys watching sport on television is an imbecile; a dangle-mouthed, cud-chewing, salivating ding-dong with a brain full of dim piss, blobbing out in front of a box watching a grunting thicko knock a ball round a field while their own sad carcass gently coagulates into a wobbling mass of beer and fat and thick white heart-attack gravy" - Charlie Brooker

by Mattyjudo on Jun 3, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The term is incredibly broad

killing animals for fur or meat is also abuse.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Jun 3, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're correct, the term is very broad

Certainly broad enough to encompass this scenario

"Anyone who enjoys watching sport on television is an imbecile; a dangle-mouthed, cud-chewing, salivating ding-dong with a brain full of dim piss, blobbing out in front of a box watching a grunting thicko knock a ball round a field while their own sad carcass gently coagulates into a wobbling mass of beer and fat and thick white heart-attack gravy" - Charlie Brooker

by Mattyjudo on Jun 3, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Does that mean it would be the best term to use

when a person uses foul language to describe another person that they have no relationship what so ever? If so, all of us have abused many, many people. We should all be ashamed.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Jun 3, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s even sadder when they get rec’d

by SpinningFistback on Jun 4, 2011 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

You clearly didn't read the original post
He offers nothing to explain what exactly makes Maggie’s writing shitty.

He links to two pieces she wrote:

Here’s an example of one of her "articles" about me and Mike Goldberg that reads more like a forum post written by a nit picky attention whore borrowing his mom’s laptop than someone that calls themselves a professional "journalist" employed by a reputable site like Yahoo.
 
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/The-best-of-Rogan-and-Goldberg-where-Rogan-goes?urn=mma-202602
 
 
Here’s another "article" where she makes fun of Stephen Quadros’ appearance.
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/Why-is-a-good-make-up-artist-important-Ask-Step?urn=mma-210138
 
 
These are just a few of the entries from her that have annoyed me over the years. I could look for more, but I think you get the point.

by ihateemo on Jun 4, 2011 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

No.

Rogan has a strong belief in positive & negative energy and the karma related to it. He mentions it in totally different contexts all the time.

by Cunny on Jun 4, 2011 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Every apology is unnecessary since he doesn't care anyway and since it's not coming from his heart but his wallet.

Never did I imagine that so many people would get their panties in a bunch about the use of the word “c*nty” to describe a female blogger, but in this “gotcha” era of online “journalism” we find ourselves in any controversy that can be exploited to fill headlines and pad mandatory blog obligations will be pursued to the extreme.

"No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."

by killphil on Jun 3, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

The era of mealy mouthed “apologies” for the sake of it needs to end. If you feel something then stand by it, & if you think you were maybe out of line in hindsight, then apologise by all means.

by forkboy on Jun 3, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

but in this "gotcha" era of online "journalism"

really Rogan really he said that that just makes me shake my head and facepalm.

Love the whole we love the internet but not when you write about some of the stupid crap in which case you aren’t really anything blah blah blah.

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by MaZZacare on Jun 3, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm not really sure this "cuts it"

but at least it feels sincere and not scripted.

i feel bad for maggie hendricks. she’s a pretty knowledgeable blogger and didn’t deserve this.

by Clifford J on Jun 3, 2011 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Now Brent, don’t go making a mountain out of a molehill. It’s not like Rogan is one of the two most recognized faces of the UFC…

by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because most people haven’t watched MMA yet. Neither of those facts change the fact that Joe is one of the two most recognized faces for the UFC as far as actual employees go.

Being that, he needs to realize that what he says officially and unofficially is the UFC saying it. Quit making excuses, quit making half assed apologies, and quit posting randomly insulting things on The Underground.

by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding me?

A commentator calling someone c*nty would bring the NFL to a screeching halt? You can’t be serious.

Every major sport has scandals far and away more egregious than this, and they have survived just fine.

Good grief.

You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.

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by J_R_W on Jun 3, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

not screeching halt as in “shut it down” but as in it would get FULL media attention.

You REALLY think if say…Gus Johnson went on the internet after a female reporter insulted the way he called a basketball game and called her a cunt. yeah…that would be a pretty big story.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 3, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be a big story, but the vitality of the sport would remain absolutely unchanged.

I don’t have a problem with the cricism that is being received, but to say that MMA will somehow suffer because of this is fear mongoring.

You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.

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by J_R_W on Jun 3, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

But was that more because of the barbaric nature of the sport, or because of the level of immaturity that surrounds many aspects of the sport (fans, fighters, president, commentators, etc.?)

by Shnak on Jun 3, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

the sport is "too risky" and they didn’t mean as far as injuries.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, okay, but I didn’t equal “injuries” with the violent nature of the sport (to say the least). But yeah, okay, I understand.

by Shnak on Jun 3, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the point was that you become tied to people who are loose cannons in an environment which doesn’t seem to really care about the things that (regardless of if you like it or not) are important to media execs. Yeah, guys in the NBA may say “fag” but they’re then fined and reprimanded and the league takes to running campaigns about how the behavior is wrong.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 3, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

half of the NFL is seemingly loose cannons, look at the rap sheet for just this lockout period, it’s enough to make your head hurt.

You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.

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by J_R_W on Jun 3, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you’re ignoring the part where the league at least attempts to “handle” things. The “league” (UFC in this case) has its president doing the exact things that are of concern.

Plus, there’s no cultural currency in MMA like there is in other, more established sports.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 3, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said. I wrote the same thing 15 seconds before just below. It all starts at the top. The time will come where the UFC will need a well-manered president, someone that doesn’t use “fuck” as an adjective to describe anything, and someone that is able to keep a handle on its nutcases. Maybe not the best example because he’s not much of a MMA fan (IMO), but someone like Tom Wright, president of UFC Canada.

by Shnak on Jun 3, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He talks like the kids do

a large portion of the fans of MMA, UFC in particular can relate to Dana and consider his behavior acceptable and normal. The “executives” are only looking at the risk of losing ad revenue and marketability, but these are guys that probably aren’t fans of the sport. There really a whole bunch of people that couldn’t care less about all this drama and will continue to support the UFC regardless of the behavior outside the cage.

by Str8_right on Jun 3, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand and agree with that completely. It all starts at the top with Dana White, IMO. He’s just as immature as Rampage is, and not the right person to handle deals with serious entities such as ESPN or NBC.

by Shnak on Jun 3, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

give the man more credit

he’s managed to get the UFC this far.

by Str8_right on Jun 3, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, agreed 100%. But he’s going to have to start to act like a professional league commissioner soon, IMO.

by Shnak on Jun 3, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't you see the hypocrisy

They will Jerry Springer and all these MTV real world where people act ten times worse but MMA is “Risky” you should have told these fuckers off not try to give the other cheek.

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

so you're telling me...

That “Large TV studios” (and I will presume you are talking about the big networks and not local channel X) that they won’t invest in a budding sport because of the fans, or perceived immaturity of athletes?

You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.

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by J_R_W on Jun 3, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

they don't give a shit either

These same “executives” probably hit up the local strip club from time to time and act the same way outside the office. It’s hypocrisy is what it is. I know a ton of dudes that wouldn’t a damn about this silliness except if maybe a girl was in the room. The only reason guys act like it matters to them is because they want to seem like a chauvinist around women so they can continue getting laid. Truth

by Str8_right on Jun 3, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

*don’t want to seem like a chauvinist

by Str8_right on Jun 3, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is just ignorant.

Just because other people think in differently it doesn’t men they’re hypocrites or “fakes”. Some guys just care about how other human beings are treated indifferently from their gender.

That was in regard to the second part of your post. As to the first, all I can say is that actions matter more than intentions., which, by the way, is the very reason that the actions of Rampage and Rogan are so objectionable.

by PlutoCps on Jun 3, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

how's the truth ignorant?

That’s just being honest. Not many dudes are as sensitive as you seem to be sweetheart

by Str8_right on Jun 3, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have a narrow definition of "truth."

Or maybe just a narrow group of men you know well.

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair...

Regular Bloody Elbow visitors typically don’t exhibit the same behavior as the majority of the MMA demographic.

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by zakkree on Jun 3, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

You remember when Gus Johnson

said Chris Johnson, RB of the Tennessee Titans, had “running from the cops speed” during one of his 90-yard runs against the Jaguars a couple years back? He had to issue an apology for that and the NFL released a statement and it got some good play because it was construed as potentially racist because Johnson is black.

Everything everyone says with a big enough platform is under the microscope and subject to discussion.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jun 3, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

"That little monkey gets loose, doesn't he?"

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's sad is

I’m not sure if you’re making that up or if Gus actually said that. Both are possible and, again, that’s kind of fucked up.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jun 3, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Howard Cosell

Here.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes these things happen in basketball

For real though, as long as the UFC keeps putting on events, I don’t care what anyone thinks of anyone involved. Dana’s a dick and Joe’s an insensitive asshole. So what?

I don’t know why fans would care unless they have nothing else to worry about. Of all the terrible things that probably happened around the world today and yesterday, this ranks pretty low.

by d.rok on Jun 3, 2011 5:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

To be fair

Uncle Ron should’ve been fired years ago for being an idiot.

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 3, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kobe calling the ref a "faggot" caused a ruckus for a few days.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny thing about that

wasn’t that turned into an issue because the camera caught him and people could make out the word? And it wasn’t necessarily that anyone heard it but they could tell what he said and it got blown up that way?

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jun 3, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe?

I don’t follow basketball – I just heard about it in the general news.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

This isn't a stick-and-ball sport Brent, This is the fight game.

Tyson told a reporter he was going to “fuck him until he loved him, faggot” in the Lewis/Tyson press conference.

Result?
Wikipedia: “This fight was the highest-grossing event in pay-per-view history, generating $106.9 million from 1.95 million buys in the U.S., until it was surpassed by De La Hoya-Mayweather in 2007.”

Different sports, different worlds….

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by joeshowradio on Jun 3, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should we really hold MMA to the standards of an admitted, convicted rapist

who was promoted by a convicted, admitted murderer?

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by pdl on Jun 3, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too high?

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Jun 3, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

my favorite part of the lead up to that fight.

Mike- I am gonna kill him, I am gonna , murder him, I am gonna eat his children. All praise be to Allah.

Reporter- what do you think of that Lenox?

Lennox- I don’t have any children…….

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by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 3:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

I think that was the real-world inspiration for the line in my sig.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Jun 3, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Lennox

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by Chris Barton on Jun 3, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

btw

Mike says he never raped that chick. Look into the case. Mike went to jail for being a scary fuckin dude ,not rape. Very little pointed to rape in that case.

King however totally smoked a dude.

"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."

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by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 5:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Again, you’re ignoring that it HAS impacted the coverage that the sport has gotten.

You’re also talking about boxing, which has LONG been established in the world and even got it’s start as a gentlemanly art. And then you’re talking about a rare huge fight involving a fighter who was bigger than sports altogether.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 3, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

boxing was illeagal in new york city in the 1920s

Sounds like a bit of a criminal history much like mma.

"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."

" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com

by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 5:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i dont know?

That is beyond my scope of knowledge on the subject.

"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."

" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com

by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 5:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

was baseball outlawed after the series thing?

If not , I would lean more towards “hitting is scary” for the reason.

"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."

" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com

by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 5:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No it wasn't outlawed

It was just a time period where a lot of pro sports were corrupted by essentially an organised crime element. And that’s not to mention prohibition.

by KJ Gould on Jun 3, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

But there's a difference

Yes, both mma and boxing are combat sports, but there’s a big difference: one is a league and the other isn’t. And when one league dominates a sport, that league effectively IS the sport (think NFL, NBA, MLB, etc.).

So when Mayweather decides to go on a racist rant against Pacquiao on youtube, he’s not speaking as an employee of the league or representative of the sport, because there IS no league that co-terminous with the sport. There’s virtually no connection between Mayweather and Klitschko, for example. He’s speaking in his capacity as an individual. And, yes, he has a contract with Goldon Boy, but that’s essentially an agent/client relationship, not an employee/employer relationship. Again, when he did his offensive Asian bit, no one clucked their tongues disapprovingly at Golden Boy, because it’s clear to everyone he doesn’t represent anyone but himself.

But when Rampage goes on a … well, rampage, it reflects badly on the sport because he’s an employee of the UFC, which IS professional mma, for all intents and purposes. It makes the UFC look like it’s populated by sexist thugs, and it sullies the brand. So, when Rampage take a media shit, it doesn’t just hurt him, it hurts Jon Jones and Rick Story and Thiago Alves, because network executives aren’t going to want to carry their fights either; they may all be sweet as pie, but they fight under the same brand - and in the same sport - as Rampage, and they get tarred with the same brush because now that sport comes loaded with negative associations for the general sports-loving public.

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by JoshSBooks on Jun 3, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Gotcha"? This was hardly a hidden-camera operation.

He said (typed) it in public forum. Now he won’t go on Katie Couric, either.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

It means exactly the same thing to me, it’s just that “c*nty” sounds better and is more fun to use.

Gotta agree with Joe here. I haven’t had as much fun using a new term since “retarded” was popular. Everyone at my office is using it. We LOL each time someone drops it in a conversation. What a blast!

by Scabby Knuckle on Jun 3, 2011 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

This sounds sincere to you?
My apologies to Maggie Hendricks for calling her “c*nty,” and I truly hope I didn’t hurt her feelings. My forum post was honest and off the cuff, and I didn’t think out the possible reactions to it. I don’t know the woman, and I’m sure she’s probably a nice person in real life, but if I have a point with any of this it’s that when you put negative s*** out there in the form of bitchy blog posts, that shit is going to come right back at you, and you better not be surprised.

So he didn’t want to hurt her feelings, except that he’s just being honest and she totally should have seen it coming for being so negative.

That’s not even a “I’m sorry I hurt your feelings” apology. It’s more like, “I’m sorry you got mad when I hurt your feelings.”

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by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I do think this is an honest attempt at extending the olive branch to Hendricks.

Pretty weak part of the branch…..

Joe knows comedy, he knows BJJ and hes arguably MMA’s best color commentator..but this does mean that he has any clue about online journalism or even what it means to be a MMA journalist in 2011.

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by ultmma on Jun 3, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

MUST READ THE BOOKS NOW

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just downloaded first 4 to kindle...I hope that once I leapfrog the episode 8, I don't hate the way it plays out on TV

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by Snatchl on Jun 3, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You almost certainly won't.

TV show does the books fantastic justice, so far at least

by forkboy on Jun 3, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

HBO nailed the casting. They’ve also stayed pretty true to the books and haven’t left much out at all. One of my favorite (book)series.

by Gurthee on Jun 3, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The first book is a basic story setup. It gets interesting starting with book 2…

by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know this is weird

but it keeps it so close I get upset, because I want certain things to not happen.

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by Chris Barton on Jun 3, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

great sex scenes though

by Str8_right on Jun 3, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree to disagree, lets stop fighting ;)

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Cheick Kongo looks like a cross between Evander Holyfield and pop singer Seal!
Melvin Guilard looks like a little Kevin Randelman!
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by Jonnycaz2.0 on Jun 3, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game of Thrones gifs?

Already? Someone has got to make one of the kid being shoved out of the tower for me.

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by Wrestling Uber Alles on Jun 3, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just finished reading this section of the book.

Looked down at my kindle and i’m only 5% into the whole quadrilogy…AWESOME!!!

Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin

by Snatchl on Jun 4, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give it another go. It’s getting better and better

You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?

Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.

by rockied on Jun 3, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

You must. They are excellent.

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by Richard Wade on Jun 3, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

SO.......GOOD

Booka are crack and HBO is doing the show justice.

I am pleased.

Tweet!

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by BeardedNerd on Jun 3, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Booka=Books

the preview button is their for a reason.

Tweet!

"eat a dick" - Chris Barton

by BeardedNerd on Jun 3, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

Just noticed your sig.

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by Chris Barton on Jun 3, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn’t pass it up.

And their=there…. This is why I don’t post that often.

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by BeardedNerd on Jun 3, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thoroughly resent the notion that online blogs don't constitute "proper" journalism.

It’s simply a way of delegitimizing valid opinions, complaints and analysis from independent journalists, who often have legitimate viewpoints.

'No matter what your ideology may be, once you believe you are in the possession of some infallible truth, you become a combatant in a religious war."

by Yxas on Jun 3, 2011 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

It's also insane

Last I checked, ESPN and Sports Illustrated both carry considerable content on their blogs — separate and apart from their print and television platforms. Journalism has nothing to do with the medium and everything to do with the standards.

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by JoshSBooks on Jun 3, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

and more of a symptom of my stand up comic vernacular

There it is.

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by spectaa on Jun 3, 2011 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL. This guy. He’s become a parody of the very people he often railed against. He’s simply an unfunny gassed up meathead playing the part of alpha male on the internet. What a buffoon.

by VirtualBalboa on Jun 3, 2011 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

dont be so sensitive

i say worse shit than that every day of my life…

im sick of the double standard for TV personalities… TV is not a seperate universe from the real world… it IS the real world… so i dont care about being PC, or proper, or whatever….

I appreciate REAL people on fake ass TV nowadays

C*NTY FTW!

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by Dot Scherer on Jun 3, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

its not about politeness

its about him giving his true, un-censored opinion on a subject… which i can appreciate

jeez 99% of the retards on TV say the same PC bullsh*t

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by Dot Scherer on Jun 3, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

SORRY

but we disagree… i dont get bigot or misogynist out of this at all…

just honesty… jeez u cant insult a chick witout it being sexist or what?

Fedor Hator

by Dot Scherer on Jun 3, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

if you can manage to avoid terms like

c*nty and bitchy you’re making progress. but you can’t really celebrate your freedom to use those terms and then complain when you get called out on your sexist bullshit.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 3, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you call someone a dick, are you being sexist?

If so, what insults can you use in America without someone getting c*nty?

by Dlugaldinho on Jun 3, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The opposite is true Mr. Small Dick the reverse is actually a complimant

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

All things considered.....

If Kid Nate wasn’t who he is that would’ve been kinda funny… or it’s Friday and I’m feeling forgiving.

by Brandon Starr on Jun 3, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have felt worse about it

if he had more than eight comments in his three months of membership.

by Scott Haber on Jun 3, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That picture...

My god.

GSP - A machine designed specifically to stop Jon Fitch from ever becoming champion.

by zakkree on Jun 3, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure ‘Mr. Big Dick’ is still an insult.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Jun 3, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Using common sense

We know that a big dick is desirable women because it feels better. If someone said Mrs. Wonder Pussy, it would mean something totally different than ‘big pussy’.

"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."

by TheFilt on Jun 3, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re just saying that because you’re c*nty. If you were a dick, then you’d get it.

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.

by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh wait, I see you're a giant pear with a mouth.

In that case, classic giant-pear-with-a-mouth ignorance. You people are such pearmouths. God, you make me sick.

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not my fault my parents were pears with mouths

Quit oppressing my people, you specist

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by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

How dare you?

Some of my best friends are giant pears with mouths! They just don’t act like those other ones do. My grandfather, a poor kitten wearing a hat immigrant from Youtuberg, Austria, worked his tiny paws to the bone making a living in the internets factory before all you damn pearmouths came and took the jobs! Terk errr jerrrrrrrbs!!

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we've peaked on the humor value of this

Please accept my compliments and a toaster

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by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

Things are getting rather silly.

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Oh excuse me, Im off to play the Grawnd Piano...

You know Joe, Brandon Vera is considered to be a Heavyweight George St.Pierre because he just comes, comes, and comes again... -Mike Goldberg, UFC 57

Cheick Kongo looks like a cross between Evander Holyfield and pop singer Seal!
Melvin Guilard looks like a little Kevin Randelman!
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by Jonnycaz2.0 on Jun 3, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're a kitty!

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by Richard Wade on Jun 3, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd like to think so

but apparently not.

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by some schmuck in texas on Jun 3, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

people offended by words

need to grow up. Just because you’ve made certain words taboo in your mind doesn’t mean every one else is offended by them. Some people are more mature than that.

by Gurthee on Jun 3, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Some people are mature enough to realize that language has its appropriate uses.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mature enough even to realize that language is the way in which we frame the world, dictates our perception of it and thus has very real and often unfortunate effects.

by PlutoCps on Jun 3, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

GTFOH
In some cases even the quality of the medical attention you’ll get for those broken bones

That’s lame dude. My wifes a nurse. She’s not gonna risk her job just because a drunk dude calls her a cunt. Ya’ll are some senstive ass rainbows

by Str8_right on Jun 3, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That’s lame dude. My wifes a nurse. She’s not gonna risk her job just because a drunk dude calls her a cunt. Ya’ll are some senstive ass rainbows

This sentence, coming from you, makes absolutely perfect sense to me.

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you’re proving mine. Glad we understand each other.

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just what the hell do the sweetheart and rainbows comments even mean, anyways?

by PlutoCps on Jun 3, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is "rainbow" some kind of slur?

I’m certainly not familiar with it.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a cuter way of saying fag. In reference to rainbows being commonly used in the LGBT community.

by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like rainbows.

Always have.

I was very upset, when at the age of eleven I wore my favorite Reading Rainbow sweatshirt to school (which was simply red, with a rainbow, no words) and someone ridiculed me and told me they were for gays.

It has since been my dream to re-claim the rainbow for all humanity…unsuccessful as I have been in these first 12 years since the incident, I will continue to fight the good fight. You’re welcome.

Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.

by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

What made you so upset about being associated with the gay community?

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I was eleven...

So my tolerance for sterotypes was at an all time low.

I found it very unfair that because I liked rainbows, and wearing my rainbow sweatshirt, I had to be classified in any group. Gay or otherwise.

Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.

by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair point!

You were unfairly stereotyped, and that sucks.

My idea though, would be that instead of “taking the rainbow back” from the gay community, it’s more important to fight stereotypes of gay people as weak and pathetic or whatever other views Rogan may hold. If those negative stereotypes are challenged, I don’t think it would be a problem to wear the rainbow

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously I’ve gone beyond just the word cunt here. The implied part of your post was “but words will never hurt me”. I’m just pointing out that some words will indeed hurt. At different times and places “words” have dictated the treatment of classes of people, including medical treatment. Thankfully, in the US, in 2011, being a woman is not grounds for substandard medical treatment.

by PlutoCps on Jun 3, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Bible, Constitution, and Declaration of Independence are all just words

as is Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto. This notion that words aren’t important or that people shouldn’t be offended by them is insane. Words, whether by themselves or in context, have significant power and meaning and how we use them matters.

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by Dave Strummer on Jun 3, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone else seen that Louis CK bit

where he’s astonished by how white people are incensed that black people get to say the “n-word” but they don’t? He raises the excellent point: why do you want to say it so much?

If there are people who are honestly offended by the word “c*nty,” and you want to discuss the quality of a piece of journalism and are equipped with the incredibly rich lexicon of the English language, why would you ever opt for “c*nty,” a word not only offensive, but sort of meaningless in the context of journalistic criticism?

Which is a long and largely irrelevant reply intended to say that I agree with Monte Fisto on this one.

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by JoshSBooks on Jun 3, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love that bit

All of Louie CK’s stuff about race is really on point.

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by Dave Strummer on Jun 3, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me fix that for you:

“All of Louie CK’s stuff is really on point.”

by Mike Fagan on Jun 3, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

much better

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Jun 3, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because:

Is Louie CK’s bit about the word faggot support really on point in this discussion? Wouldn’t that commentary on the use of language support Rogan’s use of words deemed derogatory to a certain group (i.e. faggot and cunt) in a way that is still offensive, but not homophobic or misogynistic, respectively?

by SmackyBear on Jun 5, 2011 5:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Support should have been edited out of the first sentence. I was starting to write “support Rogan’s use of offensive words” then I decided to go in a different direction, and didn’t remove support. Apologies.

by SmackyBear on Jun 5, 2011 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I take issue with Louis's point.

I want to use it because it’s a word, and words are useful tools. If some group is allowed to deny me a word, that diminishes the language.

A little bit of Orwell is still Orwell.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You take issue with it, but you don't address it.

Yes, words are useful tools — no argument that language is terrific — but why do you want to use the “n-word” in particular? Because it’s a “useful tool”? What use is the “n-word” suited for?

I mean, a head kick is a useful tool, but it’s useful for kicking people in the head. There are times and places when that might be appropriate. The argument as I understand it is that the time and place to call someone “c*nty” is not when you’re one of the public faces of a sport commenting on a journalist whose coverage you don’t care for.

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by JoshSBooks on Jun 3, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

"What use is the "n-word" suited for?"

I once yelled it when a hammer was droppped on my head from a floor above. Seemed appropriate at the time.

Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.

by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

See? All about context. But, other than his writing, we don’t have any evidence that poor JOE had just sustained serious head trauma.

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by JoshSBooks on Jun 3, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh that's rich...

Very good zinger there my friend.

Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.

by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly

This community is so much fun.

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by JoshSBooks on Jun 3, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL!

Why the fuck did you use the n-word then? Did it end with a “ger”, or a “gga”. I’m black and I use the ending “gga” all the time…well at least I used to amongst my friends. It’s used more in jest now then anything else.

I have a few good white friends and an asian friend and they use it here and there around me just fucking around too, and I could care less. However, I DO know some guys who would be quick to fuck someone up (who isn’t black) for using the word, so idk, use at your own risk I guess lol.

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by SentientAndroid on Jun 3, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't even know why man...

It was definitely the “ger” version too.

All I can say is that hammer fell a good six feet directly on to my dome, and I had to spit out something…I guess the level of filth that word is often compared to best fit the excruciating pain I felt in that moment.

Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.

by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't particularly want to use he n-word.

But I do want to use other words, and I don’t want those words take away from me beuse someone decided that they’re offensive. The only way to ensure that I don’t lose the words I find useful is to avoid losing any word at all.

It’s not about the n-word. It’s about the principle of ANY word becoming forbidden.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can use any word you want

but you have to be aware that using certain words in certain contexts is going to have consequences. Free speech is protected not because words are meaningless, but because they are powerful. That word, in particular, is associated with oppression, violence and a time when human beings were bought and sold as property. It has incredibly powerful and dark associations. So you (or anyone else) can feel free to say it, but should be prepared to experience a range of pretty serious consequences for doing so.

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by Dave Strummer on Jun 3, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its not about me being sensitive. Its about Joe Rogan’s toughguy persona hitting ridiculous levels. He’s a joke of a dude masquerading as Mr. Real Talk. Oooh! Oooh! Maybe he’ll talk about how he takes drugs again and shoot more boring video talking with Eddie Bravo. That will be controversial. That Joe Rogan, so wacky!

by VirtualBalboa on Jun 3, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rogan is a meathead with an identity crisis.

I remember seeing him flip out and try to choke a guy out for joking with him backstage at a comedy show. Not something you’d expect out of that chill guy who sees the world differently because he’s so full of DMT.

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by lowellthehammer on Jun 3, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Joke of a dude masquerading as Mr. Real Talk"

I love it.

This comment is intended for entertainment purposes only. Any resemblence to the actual truth is entirely coincidental.

by JoshSBooks on Jun 3, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whether or not Rogan wants to be, he’s a major figure in MMA. He needs to start acting like it. He cant say ridiculous things like this and then complain about Bob Reilly’s misguided and wrong views on MMA. These frat boy, alpha male and juvenile comments do nothing but prove Reilly and John McCain right. STFU Joe.
Also, I always thought Rogan was smart enough to know that there’s no such thing as privacy on the internet. ESPECIALLY when you’re a public figure.

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Is our Blood not Poison?
On my knees in the black light
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by ProfessorBLove on Jun 3, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m in the same place honestly.

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by BeardedNerd on Jun 3, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, but I’m bored at work so I’m picking sides.

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by splint on Jun 3, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I've beem weighing in too

but Lowell kinda hit the nail on the head. Still if we can’t fight bitterly about stuff we’ll forget tomorrow, it really wouldn’t be the Internet.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Jun 3, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ha

exactly

Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!

by SentientAndroid on Jun 3, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Number 1 rule of the internet.

Never apologise, ever. You cannot win.

by UncleMax on Jun 3, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

if this picture is meme'd

I think the better one to use is “Come At Me Bro”

Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
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In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.

by Anthony Pace on Jun 3, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol, but why did they use a yellow color for the bottom words?

Distracting…

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by SentientAndroid on Jun 3, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That isn't the point.

I think people fear that the perceived immaturity of the MMA community will hinder the sport’s long term prospects and profitability. I don’t think people are upset about the profanity itself; they’re concerned about how eminent members of the community convey themselves, and the potentially damaging ramifications it might have on the sport we all love.

'No matter what your ideology may be, once you believe you are in the possession of some infallible truth, you become a combatant in a religious war."

by Yxas on Jun 3, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think people fear that the perceived immaturity of the MMA community will hinder the sport’s long term prospects and profitability.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I did actually mull over the inclusion of that word :)

'No matter what your ideology may be, once you believe you are in the possession of some infallible truth, you become a combatant in a religious war."

by Yxas on Jun 3, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please...

I left an NFL game because I couldn’t take the amount homophobic slurs that were being thrown around. Spend an hour in an NFL tailgating lot, and tell me with a straight face that MMA has the most immature community.

You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.

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by J_R_W on Jun 3, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say we were the most, only that the immaturity isn't merely "perceived".

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody said "most immature"

It’s actually possible that both communities are immature, and in any case, the immaturity of one sporting community doesn’t exonerate the immaturity of another.

'No matter what your ideology may be, once you believe you are in the possession of some infallible truth, you become a combatant in a religious war."

by Yxas on Jun 3, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen fights break out in bars over a Vancouver hockey game, I’ve seen fights in the NFL stands and at high school football games, Phillies fans threw batteries at opposing players… All sports, save maybe golf and tennis, are RIDDLED with immature idiots. MMA is no better or worse than any of the rest of them.

You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.

twitter.com/JayAreW

by J_R_W on Jun 3, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Point being...

It’s not the fans of the sport that increase or decrease coverage, or forward progress of the sport.. it’s the athletes on the field

You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.

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by J_R_W on Jun 3, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe is a large part of that representation.

He’s not just a fan, being that he’s an employee of the UFC, and one of the most visible.

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well regardless of our disagreements, I think we can all agree

that Philadelphia is a miserable pit that should be razed to the ground.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Jun 3, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I find shrill people who are easily offended and self-righteous enough to whine about it as the pinnacle of immaturity beyond someone who is simply rude and uses “foul language”.

by UncleMax on Jun 3, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sympathise with both perspectives.

I’m the type of person who used to use foul language freely, as my reflexive impulse towards profanity is one of indifference, however as I have come to understand that certain words can really upset people, I have began to remove those words from my active vocabulary: there are always less controversial ways to be calumniatory, and get your point across successfully.

So the way I see it is: why court controversy, especially when that controversy is likely to deflect attention away from an otherwise worthy or valid perspective? If I can avoid offending people, i’ll do so.

'No matter what your ideology may be, once you believe you are in the possession of some infallible truth, you become a combatant in a religious war."

by Yxas on Jun 3, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Very good point.

'No matter what your ideology may be, once you believe you are in the possession of some infallible truth, you become a combatant in a religious war."

by Yxas on Jun 3, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it's not.

Being offensive is not, in itself, a bad thing. Being offensive isn’t even a relevant characteristic. It’s debatable whether offense even exists outide of social conditioning.

I don’t use foul language because it upsets people. But it’s not that they get upset that is the problem – it’s that I face ive consequences as a result of them being upset. So while I try not to upset these people with their delicate sensibilities, I think less of them for having delicate sensibilities.

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by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, so let me re-frame my post, then:

“Using language that hurts the feelings of people isn’t the problem (though there are real life adverse consequences from such language in some contexts). This language doesn’t bother me. Using language that in our current social context has the effect of reinforcing preexisting prejudices against segments of the population has the effect of causing actual damage to the people belonging to those segments, which is a problem. This language bothers me.”

Whether “offense even exists outside of social conditioning” or not is indifferent, as we are social animals, we necessarily live in society and language is a social construct, absolutely meaningless when outside its context.

by PlutoCps on Jun 3, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck with that, then.

by PlutoCps on Jun 3, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is really quite amusing.

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by Richard Wade on Jun 3, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

get over already. You seriously can’t be that outraged dude.

by Str8_right on Jun 3, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not outraged. I am upset and disappointed. It didn’t ruin my day or anything, but I do have a strong opinion about the subject, which I chose to express.

by PlutoCps on Jun 3, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

why does it seem that all you can say to people is to get over it or stop being so emotional? is that the extent to which you can back up your arguments? maybe some people were offended, you werent, congratulations. while you want us to let people say whatever it is they want you are in here telling people that they are too sensitive for saying what they want. why dont you pick a side and stay there. either people can say what they want of they cant.

by trickthethaifighter on Jun 4, 2011 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Mostly this.

Feelings towards women and feminism aside, it’s about perception.

There is no real plus side to Joe Rogan, Dana White, or anyone else calling someone a “cunt” or a “fag”. No one’s on the fence about the MMA and says, “Hey, I wasn’t so sure about this UFC thing ’til I heard Joe Rogan call that guy a fag – I like the way he talks!”

On the flipside, I’d be willing to say there are plenty of people who would enjoy MMA but are turned off by the attitude and mentality surrounding the sport.

Speaking completely from personal experience, I’ve turned a few of my friends/family into casual MMA fans by making them watch events with me. By realizing that MMA is more than just two sweaty meatheads pummeling one another, they appreciated (at least to some extent) the complexity behind the sport. Joe Rogan and DFW perpetuate, through their words, the “meathead” stereotype.

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by alicks on Jun 3, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not sure how long I have been a “memeber” but, I see a downward progresions aswell. Everyone takes every oppurtunity to take offense or pass judgement . I would have stopped being a part of this a long time ago but, I have a problem with stuff like this. I can not stop looking, sort of like a car wreck. (I dont look at car accidents though)

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by El Webber on Jun 3, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

“BE is getting worse by the day with all these seemingly forced efforts to get offended.”

Different perspective, but I take it as BE is getting better every day as those who don’t belong here move along. (Typically to Mania where it’s the cool thing to troll and be insulting to anybody you don’t care for…)

by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lone instance of this sort of juvenility really wouldn't be a big deal

But this is Rogan’s second inside of 6 months. Dana’s got one under his belt too. Rampage has multiple of his own. Soon enough, everyone will completely forget about Kobe’s thing and remember his an incredible player. But if this stuff keeps popping up, it will continue to be associated with the sport as a whole. And, as Brent pointed out earlier, it has and will effect the exposure of the sport.

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by Chris Hall on Jun 4, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually agree with Rogan (in theory) and was glad he somewhat stood his ground

but guys with his profile in the UFC should be more careful in my opinion. I am rarely a “for the good of the sport” person, but I think it would be better for the sport if they were more careful with their language and other behaviors. I mean, I just hate that MMA is perceived as one of those things that people say :“oh you like that? You must be a moron” when you reveal to people you like MMA.

by mikedh on Jun 3, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Rogan remarks

could have been directed to any reporter. The fact that Hendricks is a woman has nothing to do with it. It could have been a male reporter just like DW is attacking reporters calling them bitches. The fact that Rogan’s attack was so blunt might have been an issue but not in the contest of being sexist.

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

only, it absolutely does

see Broussard’s explanation above.

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by some schmuck in texas on Jun 3, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I see it

as equality at its best. It has nothing to do with MMA. If I can’t criticize freely someone because of their gender, religion, color or anything else we go back in time.

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, no.

If Rogan had just criticized Hendricks’ writing, that would’ve been fine. The point is, he used her gender in order to criticize her writing. That’s why it’s jackass behavior.

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

You can't criticize them BECAUSE of their gender.

If you want to criticize Hillary Clinton because you feel she oversteps her authority as Sec. of State, that’s fair.
If you want to criticize Hillary Clinton because you feel women shouldn’t be in government, that’s sexism.

(NB: I’m not saying anything about Hillary Clinton – she’s just the first example to pop in my head. No politics, please)

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not because DESPITE

He took the librety to critsize what she was writing as reporter cunty bitchy its about a reporter’s style not to call her these names because she is a woman the same can apply for man. And yes you can call Clinton a bitch just like you can call Obama a dick.

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll respond to this once I figure out where all the punctuation marks are supposed to go...

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rogan also referenced and agreed with a post that basically said she’s just mad because she’s ugly, face it, that’s piss-poor criticism even without the cunty and bitchy add ons.

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by splint on Jun 3, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rampage said

In an interview with Ariel Helwani that he has lice on his beard, if a man can say to woman or other man that he or she is ugly it might be inappropriate but has nothing to do with sexism.

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Irrelevant

It’s basic debate 101, ad hominiem attacks dilute any point you’re trying to make, doesn’t matter who says it to whom.

Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure.

by splint on Jun 3, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not in this case

Talking about conduct very relevant. The question is not whether his conduct is right or wrong the question is whether Rampage treats all reporters in the same manner which is in this case bad.

by Coeman on Jun 4, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

you think there’s some truth to it though

by Str8_right on Jun 3, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t matter if it’s true, ad hominem is not intelligent debate.

Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure.

by splint on Jun 3, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because the same CAN apply for a man...

…doesn’t mean you should use it to apply. It’s just as much discretionary. As a public face of the sport (like it or not, he is), Rogan should represent himself better and think before he speaks.

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by alicks on Jun 3, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rogan is a comedian

and a blogger he has been known to be crazy and vulgar, he doesn’t represent anybody but himself.

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

When dealing with MMA, he is a representative of the UFC.

Only Dana is better known.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

In addition to being a comedian and a blogger,...

…he’s also a commentator for the UFC. You can’t pick and choose what he does and doesn’t do.

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"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
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by alicks on Jun 3, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everything should be in context he is not going on the air as commentator cursing and swearing he has his blogger hat comedian hat and commentator hat I can definitely see a separation there.

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's going on an MMA forum

as a representative of MMA

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by Chris Hall on Jun 4, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sums it up pretty well. He is the typical non-progessive progressive.

by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t most apologies, though?

by Shnak on Jun 3, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

See, I disagree. Most apologies come out as though they were writtent by PR agencies and don’t appear sincere at all. They might not all have a “fuck you” undertone to them, but they certainly don’t have a sincere “I’m sorry” aspect to them, either.

by Shnak on Jun 3, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only the good ones.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

well fuck you

i’m sorry

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by Cory Braiterman on Jun 3, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

bravo

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by Snatchl on Jun 4, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It read to me as an FU to bloggers and fanboy types and an apologie to the Lady.

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by El Webber on Jun 3, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The lady IS a blogger…

by Sqwibbs on Jun 3, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 thoughts can exist simultanously.

Good, bad... I'm the guy with the gun.

by El Webber on Jun 3, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t that what Brent posted?

by Sqwibbs on Jun 3, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you mean he posted the FU part and also it was a apologie? Yes that was what he posted. I just added a little" why" to his what.

Good, bad... I'm the guy with the gun.

by El Webber on Jun 3, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find the “snarky, poorly thought out offerings” comment incredibly apropos here, no?

Fagen – Ironic or perhaps appropriate; considering the majority of your writing is built upon snark and sarcasm…

You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.

twitter.com/JayAreW

by J_R_W on Jun 3, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

No, you see, it’s apropos because Rogan wrote a snarky, poorly thought out comment on a message board while accusing others of doing the same. This has nothing to do with me or whether my snarky, poorly thought out commentary is worth a damn.

by Mike Fagan on Jun 3, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t have an issue with Rogan on this. I’ve listened to him rant on him podcast often enough to believe that he was just talking off the cuff and definitely does use words like cunt without the heavy meaning some give it. I’m sure he meant to take a jab at her, but he probably didn’t mean it to sound as heavy as some take the word, hence his half-ass’d apology.

by JeremyShane on Jun 3, 2011 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

and definitely does use words like cunt without the heavy meaning some give it.

That’s the problem.

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He represents the biggest org in the sport I love

I am a UFC consumer and want him fired.

If they fail to react to consumer sentiment their brand and their business will suffer.

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

This thread would seem to indicate that WE outnumber YOU.

Although I grant you that, on the whole, most MMA fans are meatheads.

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

just because the same four people are posting rebuttals all over this thread on how we need to be more sensitive and PC towards everyone doesn’t mean there’s more people that actually care. I’m just entertaining myself getting you silly guys riled up until I get off of work. Silly Rabbit

by Str8_right on Jun 3, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you're not going to contribute anything and are just pissing people off out of boredom, then stop.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Like I said, on the whole I think you're right …

… most MMA fans are TapouT wearing meatheads.

I’ve just never seen anyone claim and profess it quite so proudly.

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i am not a meat head.

Nor am I a whiney little cry baby.
 I actually don’t like the word cunt. It should be reserved for the most vile of men and women. Other wise it would loose its luster. I think , hack , no nothing ,would have been more fitting . But if Joe thinks she is than that’s between Joe and Maggie……and maybe Maggie’s lover. Cause if Joe said that about my girl I would smash him.

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by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 6:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The dichotomy of humans is an amazing thing.

Daddy’s little angel, could be my little whore; that I love honor and respect.

"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."

" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com

by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 7:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

mods

If the language is out of line please delete.

"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."

" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com

by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 7:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

wow bad grammar.

The dichotomy of humans, its an amazing thing.

"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."

" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com

by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 7:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The lesson you should be learning from all of this “politicaly correct” hoopla is that the only people you are allowed to criticize, make fun of, or degrade, are white heterosexual males.

by v8-Injun on Jun 3, 2011 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

But Scooooottttt

That’s just so harrrrrrrrd. I don’t WANNA criticize Maggie Hendricks for her writiiiinnnnnnggg, it’s so much eaaaasierrrrr to just call her a c****nnnnnt!

Why can’t we just talk like “real people”* talk?
*"Real people" refers exclusively to the small circle of people I choose to interact with on a regular basis.

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

A real person is one that exists.

What is your definition of a “real” person? You use that word ambiguously.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Real:

True and actual “I think therefore I am.” This is the brave new world weather you like it or not everybody you interact with over here is real.

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rogan isn't a "real person" by your definition

because he’s clearly not thinking.

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-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Jun 3, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Friedrich Nietzsche said "Thoughts are the shadows of our feelings – always darker, emptier and simpler."

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.

by Anthony Pace on Jun 3, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

But are you "physically" real?

How do you know that every “thought” you have isn’t but a whim of God? Is the man in front of you “real” as you would conceive “real”, or simply an idea in your head? If the idea is put into your head by God, is it then actually real?

Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.

by Anthony Pace on Jun 3, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you know they are your thoughts?

Maybe you’re a figment of someone else’s imagination.

“I think, therefore I am” is a circular argument, as it presupposes that the thinker exists.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.

by Anthony Pace on Jun 3, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

God?

That’s a different debate but when these atoms and neutrons are active in your brain you exist and therefore real.

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-realism

@scb0212
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I WANT MY BELT BACK!

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Jun 3, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'M THE MOST PRETENTIOUS EVA!

I’M THE MOST PRETENTIOUS EVA!

@scb0212
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like philosophy,

But in the grand scale of the Universe we are all made from a single point of energy no larger than a billionth of billionth cm. What ever we feel, think or do we are just matter that became into existence 14 billion years ago. All the connections in our brains generating thoughts, our skin our pounding heart is nothing but star dust which is absolutely real.

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, yes. I'd agree with all that.

Interesting, you listed “atoms and neutrons” as through they are two separate things, instead of one being a sub-structure of the other.

@scb0212
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Though?

but in a way they are separate it’s like taking an engine out of a car.

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, but it's a needless separation.

Atoms implies neutrons. Why say that when it’s redundant? Speak of “atoms and interactions” – sounds much better.

@scb0212
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hydrogen.

Mostly no neutrons.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exception to the rule!

@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rules don't have exceptions.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except the ones that do.

Bolts from the Blue // "I eat cereal out of a giant novelty wine glass because it makes me feel fancy." - Britney Wade
Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten

by Richard Wade on Jun 5, 2011 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Logically invalid

Descartes is trying to prove that “I” exist, but he presupposes it in the premise. Begging the Question.

@scb0212
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beat me to it.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the cogito was self-evident.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jun 3, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps, but still not logically valid when formally laid out.
If the cogito does not presuppose a substantial self, what then is the epistemic basis for injecting the "I" into the "I think"? Some critics have complained that, in referring to the "I", Descartes begs the question by presupposing what he means to establish in the "I exist." Among the critics, Bertrand Russell objects that "the word ‘I’ is really illegitimate"; that Descartes should have, instead, stated "his ultimate premiss in the form ‘there are thoughts’." Russell adds that "the word ‘I’ is grammatically convenient, but does not describe a datum." (1945, 567) Accordingly, "there is pain" and "I am in pain" have different contents, and Descartes is entitled only to the former.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you ever looked at a dollar bill man?

there’s some creepy shit going on on a dollar bill man…and its green too!

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Jun 3, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm referring to the way the phrase is used in comments like this:
And personally, I love the fact that people affiliated with the UFC don’t have a short leash wrt what they say when talking to fans, let them speak freely. Everyone in the world talks like that, so why pretend that we dont? This country is too damn sensitive. In closing…everyone who is on here saying they are standing up for women’s honor and respect…you sound like a bunch of dorks. Good day.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/6/2/2203553/joe-rogan-rampage-jackson-maggie-hendricks#68707377

The “real people” excuse for Joe’s language is one of the most common I’ve heard on this blog (during f*g-gate, for example) as to why Joe should get a pass for spewing hateful language.

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm willing to accept that Rogan is a male chauvinist, but what do think will happen here?

Dana White parks his car in the same garage regarding his sensitivities toward the fairer sex, particularly reporters.

Rogan will not be fired for his language. Neither will Rampage for his motor boating.

They help put asses in seats, and that’s the bottom line for DW.

When I think about professional sports and sport journalism in general, there are plenty of cases of intimidation and disrespect toward reporters.

Guys like Albert Belle, Rex Ryan, The Big Tuna and Bobby Knight have been far more insulting to reporters in person, while the cameras rolled. Nobody weeps for the subjects of their derision. Why weep for Maggie?

She’s a grown woman, who has a great gig covering a sport she enjoys. So Rogan showed himself to be an ass on the internet. I’m doing the same thing right now.

MMA is not worse than other sports. The MMA blogosphere just has a chip on it’s shoulder about mainstream acceptance.

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by Snatchl on Jun 4, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m upset about this one because MMA is the sport I pay the most attention to. I’m a little worried about the “mainstream acceptance” thing, I’m more bothered by the sexism on its face. There does, however, seem to be a peculiar tendency to link the violence of MMA to excuses as to why this language is acceptable, which is why I made my point specific to MMA. You’re right on DFW being in the same boat as Rogan, and that bothers me too.

by gzl5000 on Jun 4, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh also, this above.
dont be so sensitive
i say worse shit than that every day of my life…
im sick of the double standard for TV personalities… TV is not a seperate universe from the real world… it IS the real world… so i dont care about being PC, or proper, or whatever….
I appreciate REAL people on fake ass TV nowadays
C*NTY FTW!

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/6/3/2204817/ufc-joe-rogan-apologizes-on-the-underground#68759110

(I’m being sarcastic when I say “real people” talk this way and that’s why it’s okay for Joe to do it. Do you get it? It’s ok if you don’t.)

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I think I understand

But maybe I’m not “real” enough to. To your point your whole post was sarcastic trying to be condescending,

*"Real people" refers exclusively to the small circle of people I choose to interact with on a regular basis
this was not sarcastic. I understand and appreciate your point of view weather I agree with it or not no you should be a little more accepting.

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Whether". You want to use "whether".

@scb0212
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're welcome.

@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I think I understand
But maybe I’m not "real" enough to. To your point your whole post was sarcastic trying to be condescending,

Yes, it was. I find that view to be very condescending, and it tends to be said in a very condescending manner. I was responding in kind. Sue me for not being even-tempered enough to answer bullshit like Dot Scherer’s above without getting upset about it.

this was not sarcastic. I understand and appreciate your point of view weather I agree with it or not no you should be a little more accepting.
No, the sarcasm was in reference to my earlier post above (the wine and cheese one). The two below it were not sarcastic, and were instead intended to explain what I meant by “real people.” My point of view is that all people all “real” people, which is why that argument makes me so upset. It’s constraining the definition of who counts as “real” by ignoring and discounting as valuable (or even human) anyone who is upset by Rogan’s language. You’re telling me I should be accepting of that viewpoint? Acceptance of bigotry and exclusion does not fall under “tolerance” for me.

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fixing...
My point of view is that all people are “real” people

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will respond in kind,

We are all real. Everybody on this blog is. You should absolutely not accept anybody else’s opinion. I do disagree that any of the comments reflect bigotry and exclusion.

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will respond in kind, We are all real. Everybody on this blog is.

Okay, cool, on the same page there…

You should absolutely not accept anybody else’s opinion. I do disagree that any of the comments reflect bigotry and exclusion.
Here’s where I’m confused. I gave you examples of (and ridiculed through sarcasm) an exclusionary definition of “real” people, ie: “people who use language like I use language are ‘real’ people, and that’s how ‘real’ people talk. Like Joe Rogan.”
How is that not discriminatory or exclusive?

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You read too much into the term "real"

is used wrongly and I don’t think the author meant it in discriminatory way. I just think the implication is that people talk freely without holding their tongues when they feel comfortable in their environment and not under a microscope.

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

I think language is incredibly important and provides a window into how someone really feels about the world. At the minimum, the statements above apply that politeness or taking someone’s feelings into account when speaking is “fake” as opposed to “real.” That sentiment irks me.

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Many

People on this website come from different countries, which “real” can be interpreted differently. People use language in different ways, and what you interpret as “real” might have a different meaning to the person who wrote it.

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

The lesson is that it’s wiser to criticise, make fun of, or degrade people without using politically charged terms.

'No matter what your ideology may be, once you believe you are in the possession of some infallible truth, you become a combatant in a religious war."

by Yxas on Jun 3, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or maybe he just likes to play the victim.

Bolts from the Blue // "I eat cereal out of a giant novelty wine glass because it makes me feel fancy." - Britney Wade
Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten

by Richard Wade on Jun 3, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno about you...

In my experience, racists like to do that a lot.

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying they're mutually exclusive.

Bolts from the Blue // "I eat cereal out of a giant novelty wine glass because it makes me feel fancy." - Britney Wade
Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten

by Richard Wade on Jun 3, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

ding ding ding

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by zzwab on Jun 3, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

my opinion

Because noone asked for it, is get rid of Joe. Zuffa wants UFC/MMA to be respected like the NFL or NBA? I personally don’t think Joe is helping. Replace Joe with Bas. It’d make the shows way easier to listen to. And replace Mike with Randy. And give uncle Dana some lessons on pr since he obviously isn’t going anywhere.

by El_Ee_Oh on Jun 3, 2011 2:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Srsly

2011. Can we have an ex-fighter or trainer do color instead of a stand-up comic? Randy is awesome. Get Randy and Jens. Jens will stir things up without being an idiot.

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve got nothing against Jens… I just like Bas more. Actually, I’ve got nothing against Joe, either. There’s just a whole lotta fighter preference coming outta that booth when he’s in it.

by El_Ee_Oh on Jun 3, 2011 3:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

bas would be awesome, but I dont think it’ll ever happen

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Jun 3, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would totally take Bas …

… if he did old-school PRIDE style less-sizzle-more-steak commentary, instead of the current more-sizzle-less-steak brand he’s peddling on HDNet.

If he goes back to PRIDE El Guapo, I’m there.

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the thought of the same internet that has propelled Perez Hilton to an insane level of celebrity is being regarded as a Meritocracy. Delightful!

Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.

by Stanlee on Jun 3, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perez Hilton gives people what they want.

Bolts from the Blue // "I eat cereal out of a giant novelty wine glass because it makes me feel fancy." - Britney Wade
Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten

by Richard Wade on Jun 3, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a way, so did Joe Rogan

You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?

Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.

by rockied on Jun 3, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sad but true.

Bolts from the Blue // "I eat cereal out of a giant novelty wine glass because it makes me feel fancy." - Britney Wade
Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten

by Richard Wade on Jun 3, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

This has been one of the strangest weeks to be an MMA fan with an internet connection. I might quit going to MMA news sites and switch to gymnastics or yoga web pages where commenters might not be so prissy

by hewsdaddy on Jun 3, 2011 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

If you think it'll help you break the habit I'd be happy to ban you from commenting here.

Bolts from the Blue // "I eat cereal out of a giant novelty wine glass because it makes me feel fancy." - Britney Wade
Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten

by Richard Wade on Jun 3, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Off the clock

As far as I’m concerned, Joe Rogan can say whatever he wants when he’s off the clock. I’m not sure why he should be held to a higher standard than anyone else simpy because he does some commentating during fights.

by Shnak on Jun 3, 2011 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

He can say whatever he wants

And we can decide if we want to find it offensive and call for his ouster.

He has his freedoms and we have ours.

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you are a public figure

there is no “off the clock”.

Why I never joined a frat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-KNVrZaN8M

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"A samurai would bite your cock off if you tried that shit on the battlefield." - Kid Nate

by Chris Barton on Jun 3, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess. That sucks though. And I know he gets compensated well for his work, but it still sucks that he loses the right to say whatever he wants simply because we see his face on TV.

by Shnak on Jun 3, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He totally has the right to say what he wants but then he can’t complain about getting pilloried when he says something wildly inappropriate in relation to his public persona.

Nail. Head. You hit it.

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"A samurai would bite your cock off if you tried that shit on the battlefield." - Kid Nate

by Chris Barton on Jun 3, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is that he is a representative of the UFC. He can say whatever he wants, UNTIL he’s discussing people who he has a professional relationship (even a loose, indirect one) with and doing it in public.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 3, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose. But if he has the same opinion than his boss, where’s the problem? ;-)

by Shnak on Jun 3, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think that immunizes him from criticism?

by Mike Fagan on Jun 3, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, he’s fair game, as is anyone. But just because he works for the UFC doesn’t make him the official spokesperson of the UFC and that everything he says represents the views of the UFC. He’s got his own opinions, and when asked for them, he’ll give them. Heck, even when not asked for them, he’ll give them anyways.

by Shnak on Jun 3, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know, I really don’t care what Joe Rogan says as it pertains to me. People will argue over whether he was in the right or in the wrong and everyone will have a different opinion. Personally, I thought it was distasteful and it gives me the impression that Joe Rogan does not really respect women, but that’s just my view and Joe Rogan means nothing to my life or to my happiness.

However, why post it in the first place? Maybe he does believe that everyone needs to lighten up and not be offended by what he wrote, but why even do it? Why alienate another potential audience in a growing sport? The people who support him are already fans – they’re not going to become fans because they think Joe is so damn correct about this one. But, the people who think he’s wrong are possibly going to turn away from the sport or maybe never become fans at all. I don’t get why he goes out of his way to alienate people. It just seems stupid.

Honey badger don't care.

by KatGirl on Jun 3, 2011 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

He thinks the moon landing was faked.

so, ‘not particularly bright’ doesn’t begin to cover it.

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by some schmuck in texas on Jun 3, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

That's what I meant by consistent.

He’s a 9-11 truther constantly flaunts his drug addiction abuse habits. He just isn’t a very smart person and doesn’t really understand a lot of things. That obviously doesn’t excuse him from criticism but I also don’t think it’s realistic to expect him to apologize when he’s too dim to understand he did anything wrong.

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-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Jun 3, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Jimmy Smith does really well at Bellator

although the ‘technique’ segments where he’s ordering the ring girls to grapple are creepy as hell.

http://fightdrinker.blogspot.com

by some schmuck in texas on Jun 3, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

On what do you base the assumption that Rogan isn’t smart? Have you me with him, have you seen his I.Q. score? Watch a couple of his Podcasts, he is very smart might not be very sensitive but is very smart.

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

smart enough

To be a successful comedian who has hosted his own show, is a commentator for a very successful organization, and have a steady stream of income from side projects.

So I don’t think you’re in a position to judge his intelligence. Especially when his use of “drugs” doesn’t keep him from living a productive, successful life.

by Austin Martin on Jun 3, 2011 3:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

he says a lot of dumb shit on his podcast

doesn’t mean he’s an idiot, per say

Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.

by Anthony Pace on Jun 3, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what it comes down to. I got worked up and frustrated with him over the “fag issue”, and while it’s still a little disappointing, not much we can do unless you want to remove Joe Rogan from the spot light.

by castleeb on Jun 3, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, Joe is smart.

He obviously has a great mind for analysis. But he’s also very opinionated and seemingly doesn’t understand other people all that well.

What Joe lacks isn’t intelligence, it’s intuition.

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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 3, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

He probably had 20 MMA reporters ask him his opinion on this whole motorboating accident, so he voiced his opinion.

by Shnak on Jun 3, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

how is saying cunty

Equivalent to going to a NAACP meeting and shouting slurs?

by Austin Martin on Jun 3, 2011 2:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

It’s not just “saying cunty.” It’s saying it in regards to a female member of the media.

And they’re both wildly inappropriate.

by Mike Fagan on Jun 3, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I flatly deny that to whim he is sopeaking is at all relevant.

The word’s meaning doesn’t change based on who’s listening.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Context is the whole crux of the issue. I’d be a hypocrite if I condemned Joe Rogan for using the word “cunt.” I’ve used it before. I’ll probably use it again.

If you want to argue that it doesn’t matter whether Joe directed it at Maggie Hendricks or Mark Hendricks, I agree. Joe shouldn’t be using that word in reference to any member of the media, male or female.

by Mike Fagan on Jun 3, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's using the Times as some sort of gold standard?

Has he ever read Thomas Friedman’s drivel?

Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.

by Anthony Pace on Jun 3, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Is that the “The Earth is Hot, Flat,and Crowded”guy? I’ve never seen so many buzz words in my life.

by castleeb on Jun 3, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

It’s like he reaches into a grab bag of cliches, throws them at his computer, and calls it an article

Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.

by Anthony Pace on Jun 3, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

So

If I read this book I’m a Times expert?

by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

jeez, reading this comment section...

I haven’t been around this many “cunts” since I went to see the Falcons play at Lincoln Financial…

nyuk nyuk nyuk

Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.

by Anthony Pace on Jun 3, 2011 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow. Sometimes I am absolutely EMBARRASSED to be an MMA fan.

The very fact that some people here are defending Joe Rogan just proves how ridiculous MMA can be. In what world is degrading and insulting another human being okay? Have people no empathy? Imagine Joe calling your sister or your mother a cunt. C’mon guys. Seriously.

by pud333 on Jun 3, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

In this world it’s OK to be degrading and insulting to another human being. It happens all the time. It’s also OK for people to get upset about it.

You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?

Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.

by rockied on Jun 3, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cmon Pud, that’s a tad ridiculous.

by Austin Martin on Jun 3, 2011 2:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

why would you be embarassed to like a sport because of something someone youve enver met said?

youre an individual. youre not guilty of rogans sins because you like the same sport. jeez

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by troy145 on Jun 3, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am even more embarrassed that you ARE an mma fan

ohhhhh the humanity! one “human being” insulted another! ggaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhkk!

what world do YOU live in where that sort of thing DOESN’T happen?? lemme guess, you’re also in favor of not keeping score in tee ball games and banning dodgeball from school recess? do you want the next generation to grow up to be completely unprepared for the s**t storm that is adult life?

how is it you’re offended by a little harmless namecalling but have no problem with guys trying to ram their fists through one another’s faces? if your answer is “because one’s a fair fight”, then pat yourself on the back and accept your award for “benign sexism”. i’m sure this woman, whoever she is, is more than capable of defending herself from whatever slurs Rogan wants to throw at her without needing to be patronized by you.

by lockflow33 on Jun 3, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That isn't why MMA will never be mainstream.

MMA will never be mainstream because 2 men go into an enclosed space and beat the fuck out of each other. Not everyone enjoys that.

This kind of stuff does limit the scope MMA can reach, though. I consider myself a fan who likes MMA for the strategy, the drama, the battle of wills… not the machismo and bravado that accompanies it, but probably never would’ve gotten into it if I hadn’t been properly introduced to it by my friends. One Fedor highlight video was all it took, but not everyone has a friend that wants to get them into it. Packaging the sport in a more classy way would for sure help it grow.

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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 3, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

MMA will never be mainstream because 2 men go into an enclosed space and beat the fuck out of each other. Not everyone enjoys that.

Yep. 100% agree. There is a natural ceiling to the growth of a combat sport. By its very nature, not everyone will be able to digest it.

What I should have said was, that behavior like Joe’s doesn’t help the growth of MMA. I worded it wrong. Apologies about that. But my general opinion with regards to Joe’s poor choice of words still stands.

by pud333 on Jun 4, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

how the hell did this get rec'd???

some people baffle me.

pud, you’ll have to explain to me where the misogyny in Rogan’s statement is, because it seems to me he’s treating the female writer who was in his crosshairs to the exact same standard he would treat a man. that’s the polar OPPOSITE of misogyny or sexism. it is YOUR position that calls for her coddling that is at the very least sexist and condescending.

I’m thinking perhaps you are misconstruing the word “cunt” as only being attributable to a female. I assure you it is not. look at how the british use it; go watch Trainspotting. their usage of “cunt” has pretty much crossed over to our side of the pond. there’s also a useage that simply means “bitchy and snarky”, which is exactly how Rogan meant it, and could very easily be used to describe a man.

why do you let petty offenses like this bother you so much? I will never understand how people with such delicate feelings can be fans of the toughest sport in the world.

by lockflow33 on Jun 3, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think you understand just how harmful a word like this can be.

We’re not in Britain and neither is Joe. “Cunt” is a specific word geared towards women. It’s a loaded word that involves a woman’s genitals, sexuality, etc. all in a demeaning way to women. Look up the word in a dictionary, and there is inevitably a reference to women, and it being disparaging.

Definition of CUNT
1 usually obscene : the female genital organs; also : sexual intercourse with a woman
2 usually disparaging & obscene : woman

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cunt

It’s one thing to call her an idiot, or a shitty writer, or crazy. It’s another to call her a cunt. I know in popular culture there are other ways to use the word, but Joe is not an idiot. He chose those words specifically as a means to describe her and his contempt for her. The fact that the word has other uses gives Joe an out should an apology be neccessary. Do I know for certain he meant it the way I think he did? No. I don’t read minds. But he shouldn’t have said it, considering his position. Let’s put it this way: I would react much more harshly if someone called my girlfriend a cunt, than if they called her stupid.

Joe needs to shut the fuck up sometimes.

by pud333 on Jun 4, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't get on board with this "barrier to entry" thought process

When the future of television is not on terrestrial, cable or satellite TV, but of live and on demand Internet TV. When more and more households pick up a Roku box or something similar, the stuffy shirt dinosaurs at network and cable television who make all the decisions are going to be extinct.

by KJ Gould on Jun 3, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

would you call your country a cunt?

Then don’t call your fraternity a frat!

by Austin Martin on Jun 3, 2011 2:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I agree entirely with Joe, here.

Words mean what they mean, and offense is entirely immaial. Moreover, if there was a misunderstanding he actually came back and defined the word for us so wed understand him.

Now, with his new definition in hand, we can interpret his remarks correctly.

I don’t think it matters what the venue is. On the comedy stage or behind the UFC microphone, he’s still speaking the same language. The words’ meanings don’t change.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

You can't just redefine words for other people like that

If I am looking for Richie and asking why he did Bobby Lupo, I can’t say to his brother “He’s a chicken-shit fucking pussy asshole” and then not understand why he is upset. To 99.9% of the English-speaking population, “chicken-shit fucking pussy asshole” is an extremely offensive term.

I can’t say “Oh, that actually means he is slightly disagreeable but has a lot of fine qualities” after the fact, as though me redefining it makes it ok.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Jun 3, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes you can.

If your listener is a reasonable person, you can do that very thing.

He might think you’re an idiot for using the words incorrectly, but there’s no longer any reason to be offended by them.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have solved social ills!

Let everyone know from this day forward, that if people are offended by words it is totally their fault, and people can just change the meaning of words on a whim.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Jun 4, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is just absurd logic.

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by Richard Wade on Jun 5, 2011 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm a big rogan fan

and i tend to agree with everything he said about hendricks

but hes gotta understand the world we live in a bit better, people can and will get offended at anything these days. if it can possibly be viewed as offensive, you can bet your ass theres someone somewhere raising a stink about it.

its absolutely stupid, but so are people and thats the fucking world we live in

"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva

by milk72 on Jun 3, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

everybody calm down and watch t his federer-djokovic match

amazing tennis

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Jun 3, 2011 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

WAR NOLE

that’s a very fine idea.

http://fightdrinker.blogspot.com

by some schmuck in texas on Jun 3, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

whose winning?

im at work and legitametly interested in it

"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva

by milk72 on Jun 3, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

federer won first two sets, djoker the third, and now its 4 4 i nthe fourth set.

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Jun 3, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huge

If he ends Djoko’s streak.

And here I am at work like a sucker.

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

im stunned people were counting him outta this

i mean hes fucking federer

"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva

by milk72 on Jun 3, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

federer (7-6), (6-3) djoke (3-6), and now its deuces at 4-4

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Jun 3, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watching an “amazing” tennis match is a step above watching an “interesting” baseball game. Judge Judy must be off today.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are just absolutely communist.

Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.

by Anthony Pace on Jun 3, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just not big into sports where the worst injury you can get is a hang nail.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tennis is gangsta.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl-2uVhNLJI

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

tell that to buster posey

or Roy Oswalt

Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.

by Anthony Pace on Jun 3, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was talking about tennis on that one. I forgot you liked that Ambien (zolpidem) sport.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

You've not see a baseball player shatter his tibia by fouling a ball into it?

Jermaine Dye – Oct 14, 2001

You’ve not seen two players dive into each other at a dead run, both suffering grade II+/III concussions?

Mike Cameron and Carlos Beltran – Aug 11, 2005

I can’t speak to tennis injuries, but baseball features some pretty nasty ones.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look up 1 comment

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I took too long looking up the dates.

I even found video for the Cameron Beltran collision, but I don’t recommend watching it.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

track and field? marathon running?

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Jun 3, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The first guy to run a marathon died...

@scb0212
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not the brightest man in my book. To me, dying from running long distances while nothing is chasing you is pretty stupid.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pheidippides
The traditional story relates that Pheidippides (530 BC–490 BC), an Athenian herald, was sent to Sparta to request help when the Persians landed at Marathon, Greece. He ran 240 km (150 miles) in two days. He then ran the 40 km (25 miles) from the battlefield near Marathon to Athens to announce the Greek victory over Persia in the Battle of Marathon (490 BC) with the word “Νενικήκαμεν” (Nenikékamen, “We have won”) and collapsed and died on the spot from exhaustion.

@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh well he wasn’t running a marathon. That’s just where the name of the game came from. I stand firm in my stance though; if you die from running long distances when nothing’s chasing you then I don’t think you’re bright.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was meant tongue-in-cheek initailly.

Of course, one can argue that participation in a spot that all-but-guarantees brain damage isn’t too bright, either.

@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

And probably becomes increasingly dim as one’s participation continues.

This comment is intended for entertainment purposes only. Any resemblence to the actual truth is entirely coincidental.

by JoshSBooks on Jun 3, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is true, but I’d rather a slow senile than dying from a spirited jog.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brining up more boring sports will not help the argument

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17ImXAD_tig

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Jun 3, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The horror! A sprained ankle! His life will never be the same.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

its not a hangnail

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Jun 3, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

neither was james blakes’ broken neck or chosnokov’s twice-broken leg.

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Jun 3, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you break your neck in tennis? Honest question.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was going for a ball and hit the net post.

i’ve found some more pretty horrifying stuff actually… theres a really gnarly video of mary pierce rupturing her acl and hten lying on the court screaming in pain. brutal.

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Jun 3, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha that is true

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tennis injuries suck.

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Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten

by Richard Wade on Jun 3, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

“dude mma is gay all they do is hump eachother its so boring”

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Jun 3, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

you'd be surprised

tennis can get pretty intense

the matches are far too long, but it can be a real exciting sport

"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva

by milk72 on Jun 3, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not for me, but I’m mostly just trolling.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i noticed

so anyway the saints suck

"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva

by milk72 on Jun 3, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’d be offended if it were true.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is way more fun than I thought it would be BTW

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously i didnt think any mma fans liked tennis

didnt see that one coming

"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva

by milk72 on Jun 3, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watch the 2008 Wimbledon final between Federer & Nadal.

One of the greatest games in any sport.

@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

That match was amazing.

I even got to take a nap in the middle of it and didn’t miss anything!

Honey badger don't care.

by KatGirl on Jun 3, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Federer is a once-in-a-generation athlete.

@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I played tennis in HS and JC

I got burnt out for a while (played since I was 6 or 7) but I still LOVE watching it.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Jun 3, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I’ve been to a few pro matches and they were really intense. They were close and I was literally on the edge of my seat. It was so much more fun than I expected it to be. And, it made me starting playing and tennis is hard!

Honey badger don't care.

by KatGirl on Jun 3, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

*start not starting

Honey badger don't care.

by KatGirl on Jun 3, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed on baseball though

only sport you can play and be out of shape….

"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva

by milk72 on Jun 3, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s not true. Most pro baseball players are incredibly athletic.

You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?

Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.

by rockied on Jun 3, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

absolutely

most are, but some arent

i mean cmon, mo vaughn?

"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva

by milk72 on Jun 3, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well in any sport you can find some.

Roy Nelson, Tim Sylvia.

You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?

Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.

by rockied on Jun 3, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

dont do that, your gonna kill my poorly thought out argument

but anyway at least the fat dudes get their asses kicked in mma, in baseball they can only strike out

"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva

by milk72 on Jun 3, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough, and I like that reasoning.

You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?

Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.

by rockied on Jun 3, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

gotta have the hand-eye

I wouldn’t doubt people from a lot of other sports would ay baseball if they could hit a 95 mph fastball. Plus, baseball has the most money and best contracts. Look at carl crawford- probably could play pro football because he’s a freak athlete, but he can hit too, so he’s making 120 million guaranteed.

by Austin Martin on Jun 3, 2011 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Just because someone gets paid a lot it doesn’t mean it’s more entertaining, but I would rather see Donald Trump floss his teeth than watch baseball.

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

creepy

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Jun 3, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tennis is one of the most grueling sports around. Respect.

@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome to watch too.

One of my favorite sports to play as well.

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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 3, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to play it too ...

… if my wife wasn’t better than me at it. Never taken a set off her, let alone a match.

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Tennis is the combination of chess and boxing.” – DFW

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

is that from Wallace’s piece on Federer in the Times? one of the best sports pieces I’ve ever read

Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.

by Anthony Pace on Jun 3, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, from "Infinite Jest"

Obviously I paraphrased. Whole thing is:

The real tennis was no more reducible to delimited factors or probability cuves than chess or boxing, the two games of which it’s a hybrid.

Federer/Times profile was also brilliant, though.

RIP, you crazy diamond.

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like his short works...

…but there doesn’t seem to be enough payoff to IJ to make me want to read it.

(Coming from a Pynchon fan, no less).

@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a trial …

… but I have never regretted the time I spent on it.

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I started...

The Pale King and had to put that shit down.

I forgot how mentally exhausting his novels are.

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by Sergio Hernandez on Jun 3, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's enough to make you want to kill yourself.

@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

What

no one liked his incredibly dense unfinished novel on the nature and value of boredom?

I totally agree that he’s a slog in his longer works, but well worth the effort.

And I’ll admit that I took three runs at Infinite Jest before I got through it. I found that taking it out of the bathroom made all the difference.

This comment is intended for entertainment purposes only. Any resemblence to the actual truth is entirely coincidental.

by JoshSBooks on Jun 3, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The joke is that DFW hanged himself.

@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I realized that as I hit “post.” But I figured that my ignorance would be excused as just a drop in vast pool belonging to someone who had tried to take DFW on as bathroom reading.

This comment is intended for entertainment purposes only. Any resemblence to the actual truth is entirely coincidental.

by JoshSBooks on Jun 3, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah. Carry on.

@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you would not believe how dried out one’s asshole can get when one is waiting to get to the end of the sentence before moving along with the day.

This comment is intended for entertainment purposes only. Any resemblence to the actual truth is entirely coincidental.

by JoshSBooks on Jun 3, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

pardon the ignorance, but DFW?

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Jun 3, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe it’s “Dana FUCKING White”

You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?

Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.

by rockied on Jun 3, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

No,

I did not quote Dana White in reference to tennis.

And Dana’s acronym is BLAF, anyway.

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

David Foster Wallace.

@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I love baseball.

It’s the sport with the most math in it.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

we are complete opposites my friend

If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

diffrent strokes dude

i think that only makes it worse

"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva

by milk72 on Jun 3, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

dunno if you like football but if you do you should check out footballstudyhall.com

"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"

by troy145 on Jun 3, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No - math Olympiad does!

@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll concede that, but the gap isn't very big.

Here’s a formula for calculating wOBA (weighted on base average):

(0.72xNIBB + 0.75xHBP + 0.90×1B + 0.92xRBOE + 1.24×2B + 1.56×3B + 1.95xHR) / PA

NIBB is unintentional walks
HBP is hit batsman
1B is singles
RBOE is reached base on an error
2B is doubles
3B is triples
HR is homerun

Each is weighted by its empirically determined contribution to run scoring.

Also, I enjoy the pace of the game.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I tried to get into sabermetrics once...

…but stopped once I realized I’d have to follow baseball. The pacing is all wrong for me. Too slow and stops & starts.

I see no grace or beauty to the game.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know what’s going on, but I’ll rec any mention of wOBA on BE.

by Mike Fagan on Jun 3, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

wOBA rec

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by Richard Wade on Jun 3, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

im at work and legitametly interested in it

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by milk72 on Jun 3, 2011 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

my favorite part of this article

“However, the game changes when we enter the world of fight sport and interacting with the media. Joe, whether he wants to admit it or not, acts as a representative of the UFC. He, behind Dana White, is arguably the most visible face of the organization”

yea, because dana white is so classy on the mic….

everything dana white says is a complete lie

by slantedwindows on Jun 3, 2011 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

further down the spiral of lameness

this article is.

when did the mma press/fans become such a bunch of pussified nancy-boys that Rogan can’t call a snarky writer “cunty” without the world coming to an end?

let’s take a look at something I think a lot of people have missed:

But again, you have to remain cognizant of your environment. I’m not going to scream slurs at a NAACP meeting, and I’m not going to demean female members of the media with words like “c*nty” or “bitchy.”

see that word “female” in there? why is it there, unless the writer feels that women need to be treated to a different standard…? do female writers in mma need to be treated with kid gloves? are they not adult enough to be called snarky/bitchy/cunty without sundry prince valiants rushing to their rescue? you know there’s a word for such attitudes. it’s called “sexism”. that’s right, it cuts both ways. if “minorities” demand to be treated as equals, with that comes the opportunity to be called mean things by other people. considering that’s it’s entirely appropriate to call a snarky male writer “cunty”, then it is also entirely appropriate to call a female writer the same thing, if we’re going to treat everyone by the same standard.

if I was Joe Rogan, instead of apologizing, I’d have called all these self-righteous people who demanded an apology “cunty bitches” as well.

by lockflow33 on Jun 3, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Why is minorities in quotes?

You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?

Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.

by rockied on Jun 3, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

because women make up 50% of the population, yet they’re considered a minority. and in this particular case, the object of (supposed) derision is a woman.

by lockflow33 on Jun 3, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on the population

Women make up significantly less than 50% of the news/entertainment media. They have a minority voice.

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by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

“depends on the population” is a completely fallacious argument in this case. we’re talking about, at the very least, american society, in which women and men are each roughly 50%. you do realize that the woman in question actually exists outside of her job as an mma sports writer, right? that she has interactions with the rest of society too, right? and that in those myriad interactions, she’s probably had more than a couple that were confrontational and has, over her lifetime, learned how to deal with them, right? that being the case, wouldn’t you say she ought to be equiped to handle an aggressive or otherwise unpleasant detractor in an any argument, anywhere? it is an absolutely STUPID contention that because she is a “minority” in her chosen field that she needs special protections from name calling. can you be any more condescending?? seriously. I would be absolutely livid if I were a female and somebody suggested I needed coddling because I was a “minority” in my chosen field. in your effort to be a prince valiant, you reveal your latent sexism.

all of this is irrelevant anyway since we’re really talking about equality. if one actually believes that women and men are just as capable as one another in vocations such as writing, debate, etc., then neither sex should need to be treated with kid gloves. so being a “minority within a vocational field” doesn’t mean squat.

by lockflow33 on Jun 3, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t agree with what you consider a minority (in the sense that I believe women are a minority group politically and economically) and there is no (supposed) derision. He was ridiculing a reporter for what she wrote. That is derision.

You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?

Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.

by rockied on Jun 3, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe because women aren't one?

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sociologically, a minority is a group without access to power or resources.

In South Africa, whites were a numerical minority, but controlled the state, rendering the blacks the minority.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a stupid definition.

Mathemetically, a minority is a group that makes up less than half of a population.

Let’s just add that to the list of reasons why I hate sociology as a discipline (the first being that it studies “society”, which I don’t think exists).

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither definitions are "stupid"

They’re both relevant to their own contexts.

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by Yxas on Jun 3, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a stupid definition.
Mathemetically, a minority is a group that makes up less than half of a population.
Let’s just add that to the list of reasons why I hate sociology as a discipline (the first being that it studies "society", which I don’t think exists).

So what I’m getting from this is that we should use math to study society, which doesn’t exist. Hey, can you English this physics problem for me?

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

No. We shouldn't study society, because it's not real, so it's actually impossible to study it.

We should study the individuals. They actually exist. Individuals exist. Groups do not.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can’t prove any of that

You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?

Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.

by rockied on Jun 3, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, but believing the opposite is unscientific.

Occam’s Razor. A group is an extra level of complexity beyond its component parts. ince we can describe the behaviour of a group simply through a description of those parts, there’s no need to posit the existence of a group.

Sociology is unscientific.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re not curious about how they interact and trends in those interactions?

by Rufford on Jun 3, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you collectives of individuals that share a similar culture and/or geography?

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can call them whatever we like.

Groups exist in name only. Hence the name of this position: nominalism.

If they don’t exist, then they can’t exhibit characteristics, and thus there’s nothign to study.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would disagree

You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?

Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.

by rockied on Jun 3, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rogan speaks so well.

by Rufford on Jun 3, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

“That’s what you say about a retarded person who can speak!” – Chris Rock

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by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with Rogan.. on everything

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by Bizz213 on Jun 3, 2011 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

The problem with Rogan is

The uproar is strictly based on his color commentary position. Given how anti-corporate and anti-establishment he is I don’t see how he is capable of restraining even himself for saying these things.

If he was just a huge MMA fan, stand-up comedian, and podcast host, then this would not even make a dent in the front pages of BE.

But because he’s the co-commentator in the premiere organization in MMA right now he is just incapable of not crossing the line.

Could you imagine if John Madden used the word “c*nty” on a forum or on a podcast? That’s what Rogan needs to understand but he won’t.

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by SSreporters on Jun 3, 2011 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

When your company press man is critizing you, there might be something to it…

by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

When he mentioned that someone from the UFC had extended a private apology, my first thought was someone over there has gone rogue. No apologies on Dana’s watch.

This comment is intended for entertainment purposes only. Any resemblence to the actual truth is entirely coincidental.

by JoshSBooks on Jun 3, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...
When Bryant told Jackson that she is partly of Jamaican descent, he responded by saying, "Well, Jamaican me horny."

Apparently that’s the point where everyone was supposed to yuk it up and talk about what a funny guy old "Rampage" is. Except, it wasn’t funny, because it was the dictionary definition of sexual harassment. Instead of laughing, we should have been outraged.

Bryant brushed it off and insisted she wasn’t bothered by it but the excuse that it was just "Rampage being Rampage" doesn’t cut it. Nor does it matter how Bryant felt

I did yuk it up, and I did find it funny. So did the reporter who, according to Lole, should have been outraged. Where does this guy get off?

What ground does he have to stand on when the alleged “victim” seems to have gotten nothing more than a kick out of “Rampage being Rampage”.

I’m kind of baffled by this.

Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.

by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about the other reporters that Rampage has harassed?

They expressed that they didn’t like it, so that would be, by your definition, harassment.

Besides, does it matter if she wasn’t bothered? Should all women who interview have to agree to his behavior? Shouldn’t we create an environment where we don’t need the stipulation that you must accept being harassed to interview someone?

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're not talking about past interviews.

We’re talking about this instance, so lets keep it at this instance.

In this instance, the reporter found it funny, probably even charming in a way. She was giggling, she was clearly enjoying Rampages company, and did not appear to be uncomfortable at any time during the interview. She stated as much publicly later on.

So again I ask, why should this cause outrage? Why should I be outraged that Rampage was being his affable light-hearted self?

And more importantly, why if there is clearly no victim must there be a crime?

Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.

by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You find it funny, I find it creepy.

Is the bar for interviewing Rampage set at being willing to let him act like a letch? If she feels it’s OK, she’s enabling him to do it to the next female reporter.

Of course there can be a crime without a victim – drunk driving. You don’t have to actually hit anyone for it to be a crime.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quick question

You might know the answer, because I honestly don’t…

Does Rampage have a contractual obligation to do these sorts of interviews?

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by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

No clue.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The arguments have already been made about this. It comes down to this though.

- Even if she was offended, there is a large question mark on whether or not she would admit to it. Doing so would essentially cause her to become a leper amongst many in the MMA community and there goes her career. We’ve seen it happen already with a victim of Rampage. The victim in his infamous dry humping incident came out and stated that she was upset about it and now is no longer covering MMA…

- Even if she wasn’t offended, it does nothing to change the fact that it was sexual harassment and that it should be addressed. Her not being offended by it does not mean that it should be ok, it just means she herself was not offended but the next lady who it happened to could be quite so. It’s a bad mark on the company and the sport that it is allowed.

by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you watch the video?

Giggling. Laughing.

That’s what the reporter was doing.

Far from uncomfortable, and far from looking harrassed.

Rampage was having fun, and so was she. It was an entertaining interview, everyone was winning until it became something more than it actually was.

Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.

by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Laughter often is a sign of a person being uncomfortable. I’m not saying it was here, I’m just saying that argument by itself is flawed. Regardless, her being offended or not still doesn’t excuse it as allowable behavior. It is still something that he should not be doing on company time and in general should not be doing to women he barely knows unless he knows for a fact that would consider it fun and games.

You are arguing that it wasn’t wrong because she didn’t mind. The problem is that Rampage did not know that she would or wouldn’t mind and did it anyways…

by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

That is exactly my argument.

In this instance, Rampage was being Rampage, and the female reporter got a kick out of it.

That’s all that happened, and I’m not outraged. Nor do I think I should be.

Clearly you are, and in that, we disagree.

Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.

by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

First off, I’m not outraged I’m sad that people can’t understand why this is bad in general and in specific bad for the sport.

Secondly, maybe it’s time to realize that Rampage being Rampage isn’t a good thing and to quit excusing it. It wouldn’t be excused in any other sport and it wouldn’t be excused if he did it randomly on the street. Somehow though, it’s being excused because he is a MMA fighter…

by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm excusing it

Because if the person that “should” have been offended, wasn’t offended, than why the hell should I be?

If she came out and said “Rampage’s sense of humor made me uncomfortable, and I would sooner be hung from my toes than stand in the same room with him again” I would certainly react differently.

But if there is no damsel in distress, there’s no need for a knight in shining armor. If there’s no fire, than don’t pull the alarm. If the woman thought Rampage was charming, and even went so far as to say she would take a run at him if she were single, than damn…let the guy flirt with the reporter.

Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.

by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are excusing it while also realizing that by her being offended, it could affect her career. You are excusing it while realizing that people who have been offended by him, have been affected in their careers. There is good reason to question the truth when she says it was perfectly fine to her.

Regardless of that though, as has been said… It’s the actions themselves that are objectionable, not how she took them. It isn’t ok simply because she took no offense as the next woman who interviews Rampage could be by that exact same thing. It isn’t ok because it makes the viewer laugh. It isn’t ok. The end…

by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

To you.

That’s whats great about life, we can agree to disagree.

Even though you might hold your opinion in a higher regard than I hold mine, it doesn’t make it any more right or wrong. The end…

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by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

What ground does he have to stand on when the alleged "victim" seems to have gotten nothing more than a kick out of "Rampage being Rampage".

Bryant stands to benefit from going along with Rampage’s antics. He’ll be more willing to talk to her on camera if she’s enabling his bullshit. But it’s to the detriment of every female reporter who isn’t willing to be humped or motorboated just to get his interview. They have a harder time doing their jobs if they won’t be his plaything.

So just because Bryant had fun doesn’t mean that there wasn’t real harm done to other female MMA reporters, some of whom might be Iole’s friends. I’d be pissed too if I had a female friend reporting MMA, knowing that Rampage thinks it’s fun to treat her peers this way.

That’s why it’s still harassment even if Bryant was okay with it. And why Iole can get mad about it if he wants to.

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by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lole can get mad about it all he wants.

It’s a fine position totake, especially when one of your colleagues is taking a beating from Joe Rogan for taking a similar stance.

But that doesn’t change the fact that I still think his article was extreme, and think he’s an ass in this instance for telling me I should be outraged, and two sentances later telling me the “victims” opinion on the subject doesn’t matter.

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by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder what these comment threads would have looked like if there were more women commenting and participating.

by bevedog on Jun 3, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

That is what my wife just said actually.

by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, right.

I’m happy that enough commenters have been willing to patiently (and not-so-patiently) keep up the “no, this is not OK” side of the discussion. I just wonder if having more women here would have kept things more civil or if guys would have felt the need to try out some fancy words on them. Or if it would have proceeded more or less as it did.

by bevedog on Jun 3, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Winner

I regret that I can only rec this post once.

If we don’t want Toronto to have been the all-time height the sport will ever reach we need to attract more female and homosexual fans.

And friends, we are off to a shitty, shitty start.

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Rogan was a female

we wouldn’t even be having this debate…

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by SentientAndroid on Jun 3, 2011 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Cunty was perfect...

Bitchy just a weak replacement.

Leave Joe Rogan alone, he’s not ambassador to the UN ffs.

Sterilise this great sport at your peril, bitches!

This is the FIGHT game, so ffs get after him. Finish him!

by hooligun on Jun 3, 2011 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

We might end up endearing ourselves to larger audiences and being even bigger. The horror!

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by Luke Thomas on Jun 3, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I were Joe, I’d just say fuck it and retire the ‘Joe Rogan’ screen name in favor of something like ‘Rubberguard RULZ’. If posting under his own name is going to get him skewered by the bloggers, I say start posting anonymously and starve the bastards. Same goes for Dana. Retire the ‘DFW’ moniker on the UG and just start posting under ‘Iheartpinkberry’.

by Steve4192 on Jun 3, 2011 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with you...

But “niggardly” and the n-word are unrelated, they just sound similar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're correct re: "niggardly"

But I’m just making a case based on someone’s superficial understanding of slurs and the its impact viz. our history and society.

You know there’s always that guy who goes: “you know, fag in England means a cigarette, so I don’t really see why someone should get so upset about that…”

And it drives me up the wall because that person just missed the whole fucking point. To him, it’s just an abstract concept. I can guarantee you someone like him most likely doesn’t have the experience of being singled out or marginalized because of who he is. He just comes from this insulated, privileged point of view. And the really sad thing is that he tries to not only justify his lack of understanding about why these terms and views affect people in REAL ways, but also defend the amorality of those who thrive off of using those hateful terms against specific people for the express purpose of hurting and diminishing them.

BTW, I’m not saying you’re that type of person.

by D Squared on Jun 3, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh.

I see what you mean, and I’m way with you on the f*g thing…people tried making that argument (and referencing South Park, which drove me nuts) during the Rogan-Rios thing, ignoring that Joe Rogan knew damn well what that word meant when he used it. I’m a little more on the fence about “niggardly”…for sure I can understand why it would be hurtful and offensive, and yes it’s a very poor word choice. Obscure, too. At the same time, it does have a legitimate and separate definition.

That’s quibbling over semantics on my end though. Joe Rogan is a more foulmouthed privilege denying dude in my opinion.

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

PC is killing freedom of speech

Why do people care so much what others say or think about them? I don’t give a shit what you call me. Cracker, asshole, dick, etc. who give a fuck? If anything just laugh it off and let it go. Getting pissed of and responding is feeding right into the person who said what they said in the first place. I know when I talk shit to someone and call them names 99% of the time I am doing it simply to piss them off and get a reaction. People need to get over it.

I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!

by attgnp on Jun 3, 2011 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I hate it when people don’t actually know what freedom of speech means.

by Sqwibbs on Jun 3, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yeah its pretty simple

………The right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint

I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!

by attgnp on Jun 3, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, actually, that isn’t it.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

by Sqwibbs on Jun 3, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Nope.

Also, I firmly believe that people think “PC” is killing speech are generally those who don’t really understand why it was important in the first place. I agree though, striving to build a more inclusive language is absolutely horseshit.

by bigstupidsmile on Jun 3, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

...huh?

I’m confused, your last sentence seems disconnected from the other one and a half.

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is abridging his freedom of speech?

He spoke. What he said was misogynistic. Now we’re exercising our freedom of speech to call him out on it.

Nothing but freedom of speech going on ’round here.

by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's amazing how many people fail to grasp this.

Free speech means people can respond to you in any way they want as well. If people should be able to use any slur they want, I should be able to tell them they’re ignorant, bigoted, jackasses right back.

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

freedom of speech

is not freedom from consequences.

Nobody is arresting Rogan for what he said, but we are free to say he choose his words poorly and comes off like an idiot who can’t come up with a proper defense so is just muttering personal insults.

by T.P. Grant on Jun 3, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The advent of Political Correctness has helped stop the Conservative party in the UK

From producing campaigns like their 1970’s West Midlands’ “If You Want A Nigger For A Neighbour, Voter Liberal or Labour” propaganda. If Political Correctness has done nothing else it’s made right leaning political parties better at hiding their latent racism.

by KJ Gould on Jun 3, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

All this "hurt the sport" talk bores me

Who cares if it doesn’t go mainstream like the NBA or NFL etc. MMA is here to stay regardless. Obviously the bigger it gets, the more money there will be which means alot of great possibilities.

Would I love to see the fighters being paid more than 8, 10, 20k per fight? Definitely.
Would I love to not have to pay $50 to watch most of the cards? For sure.

But if MMA were to stay the same as it is right now, I wouldn’t mind one bit.

by vicesquad26 on Jun 3, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

...

I specializes in grammar fail.

by a tommy point on Jun 3, 2011 9:23 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I can't not rec that

“If you collapsed the universe into a tube, you’d have a very long tube. Because when you make it into a tube, it’s actually twice as long now…well you wouldn’t want to put it into a bowl.”

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Jun 3, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate Maggie Hendricks

She is truly terrible at covering MMA.

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by Wrestling Uber Alles on Jun 3, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Notice how this gentleman expressed his opinion without implying that Maggie Hendricks is terrible because of her gender?

For the libertarian crusaders in this thread whining about “special treatment,” there’s not a damn thing wrong with this.

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you, thank you

I completely agree: if Maggie Hendricks were a man or even a hermaphrodite or whatever else is out there these days, she’d still suck at covering MMA.

Quod licet Iovi non licet bovi.

by Wrestling Uber Alles on Jun 4, 2011 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love how this

kind of crap is used as an excuse as to why MMA isn’t taken seriously.

While NBA players call people faggots on the court, while Tiger Woods cussed like a sailor and threw clubs on National TV, while NFL player after NFL player gets murdered, murders, or gets a DWI. While baseball player after baseball player gets caught doping.

It’s all bullshit.

by Bob Loblaw TX on Jun 3, 2011 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

That's the "entrenchment" argument.

MMA isn’t as established as the other sports. It also cultivates an outsider status. These were points all discussed above.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 4, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

glad Joe was publicly scolded

Never seen someone who tries to act intelligent and instead, usually rambles alot and puts in his own garbage thoughts to mma fans, thats what joe rogan is.

just happy this time instead of doing the usual im trying to be philosophical for the sake of being philosophical routine he didn’t waste my time and barfed out his sexist/racist/whatever-ist meat head impulse thoughts.

by elmojo on Jun 4, 2011 12:41 AM EDT reply actions  

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