Joe Rogan Apologizes on the Underground
Joe Rogan returned to the Underground to discuss his use of some choice words for Yahoo! MMA blogger Maggie Hendricks. I think Joe, in an attempt to explain himself, digs himself into a deeper hole here, as it seems that he doesn't understand why he came under fire.
To wit:
Never did I imagine that so many people would get their panties in a bunch about the use of the word "c*nty" to describe a female blogger, but in this "gotcha" era of online "journalism" we find ourselves in any controversy that can be exploited to fill headlines and pad mandatory blog obligations will be pursued to the extreme.
You can't sit down at your computer, type up a lengthy message board post, and then turn around and claim "gotcha journalism." No one put Joe Rogan on the spot. He volunteered his thoughts on a public forum, and a bunch of people called him out on it.
As for "exploiting controversy," I'll leave it at this: Brent's post yesterday is still our most trafficked piece today. It's an issue that people want to read about. To quote Kid Nate, "The UFC sells pay-per-views. We sell page views."
My use of the word "c*nty" in retrospect was unfortunate, and more of a symptom of my stand up comic vernacular than what more verbally conservative people would interpret the word as. "C*nty" is just another word for bitchy.
It means exactly the same thing to me, it's just that "c*nty" sounds better and is more fun to use.
I can sympathize with Rogan here. As an entertainer, I grant Rogan leeway in his vernacular, especially when he's on his podcast or doing standup. That's part of the gig.
However, the game changes when we enter the world of fight sport and interacting with the media. Joe, whether he wants to admit it or not, acts as a representative of the UFC. He, behind Dana White, is arguably the most visible face of the organization.
So, when Joe calls Maggie Hendricks (or her writing) "c*nty" he does so as Joe Rogan, UFC broadcaster, and not Joe Rogan, professional comedian. And I believe he is smart enough to understand that distinction.
The term "bitchy" to describe the style of the writer in question and her take on things is both accurate and appropriate.
Changing the word from extremely offensive to moderately offensive doesn't make things better. Again, I can sympathize with him here. I suspect that Joe and I largely agree on words and offensiveness and etc.
But again, you have to remain cognizant of your environment. I'm not going to scream slurs at a NAACP meeting, and I'm not going to demean female members of the media with words like "c*nty" or "bitchy."
You can disagree with Hendricks, you can lambast her views for being overly sensitive or poorly written or opportunistic or however you feel about her work, without resorting to personal insults, let alone language that steps over the line.
Rogan then posts a couple of pieces from Hendricks at Cagewriter. For the sake of formatting, you can find the links in the Underground post. One is critical of Rogan and Goldberg's commentary at UFC 105, done in almost TWIQ-like fashion, and the other is a very short blurb about Stephen Quadros' appearance at a Showtime event.
Is that journalism? Is that good writing? Is that the kind of thing you could stumble upon while reading the New York Times? Would it make a fine entry in FIGHT magazine? Is sports illustrated pissed off that they missed out on publishing these gems? No, it's bitchy bullshit. "C*nty" writing, if you will.
So, despite calling his use of the word "c*nty" unfortunate, he reinforces it later on. OK.
Then Rogan sets up the classic straw man about blogging where he compares it to more "established' institutions like the New York Times. He continues:
The sport of Mixed Martial Arts is fairly new, and one of the very first sports to be supported and defined by new media. We have an extraordinary amount of websites dedicated to the sport, and in the dark days of being exiled from cable television these sites (including the one I'm posting this on, mixedmartialarts.com) helped keep this sport alive.
Now that the sport is incredibly popular and thriving however, we've reached this saturation point where anyone with a website that writes about this sport wants to be considered a "journalist." People that 20 years ago wouldn't have a shot in hell at a career in writing are now demanding to be taken seriously with their snarky, poorly thought out offerings.
I find the "snarky, poorly thought out offerings" comment incredibly apropos here, no?
And the old "anyone with a website" argument. This argument has been cut to shred numerous times by people more articulate than myself, but sites (and individual writers) don't maintain readership bases by mindlessly publishing content. The internet provides websites and writers a platform for meritocracy.
If you publish things people want to read, if you establish trust with your readers, you will grow. If every asshat with a keyboard could put together a popular MMA site, we'd have a lot more competition.
This sport is infested with these people, and what they're going to have to realize is that if they want to be writers and they want their stuff to be read and ingested than they themselves must become public figures in the process, and that includes being s*** on for what you put out there. The illusion of anonymity and a lack of repercussions available to the subjects of your work is a thing of the past.
Again. Apropos. The Underground isn't an anonymous internet forum, and what you say on there is subject to public criticism.
My apologies to Maggie Hendricks for calling her "c*nty," and I truly hope I didn't hurt her feelings. My forum post was honest and off the cuff, and I didn't think out the possible reactions to it. I don't know the woman, and I'm sure she's probably a nice person in real life, but if I have a point with any of this it's that when you put negative s*** out there in the form of bitchy blog posts, that shit is going to come right back at you, and you better not be surprised.
When I first read this, I thought it was another half-hearted apology that is typical of these situations. I even had the title all lined up: "Joe Rogan and the Non-Apology Apology." There's been a lot of criticism on Twitter about the apology, but upon reading it a second time, I think it's legit.
He comes right out and apologizes to Hendricks for what he did. I think a lot of people are reading this as "I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings," which I don't think is what's going on here. I think Rogan is being genuine here. I don't think he fully understands the criticism he has received, but I do think this is an honest attempt at extending the olive branch to Hendricks.
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"I do think this is an honest attempt at extending the olive branch to Hendricks."
disagree. to wit:
“when you put negative s*** out there in the form of bitchy blog posts, that shit is going to come right back at you, and you better not be surprised.”
That’s a warning, or a threat. Not an apology.
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by some schmuck in texas on Jun 3, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
There’s nothing wrong with Rogan criticizing what someone wrote, though, and I think that’s what he meant by that.
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by Mike Fagan on Jun 3, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
He knows he's better known and more popular and more powerful in the biz than she is.
So, bullying. Especially with the way he talks/writes. He’s not trying for clarity and coming to an understanding. He’s letting her and everyone else know who’s boss.
The way I see it, anyway.
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by some schmuck in texas on Jun 3, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I just thought he meant
That he was sorry for how he said what he said, but not the subject matter. He was saying that she was stupid, but now trying to be a little less of a dick in his presentation of his beliefs.
Let the fighters fight, let the referees ref, but dear God, don't let the judges judge.
So criticize
But Joe hasn’t addressed Maggie’s point of why it’s not okay to hump a female journalist on camera even if you’re just playing around. He offers nothing to explain what exactly makes Maggie’s writing shitty. The “Skywalker” post that he praises for its insight is a misogynist rant about how less-attractive women should just be happy for any attention they get.
That’s not criticism. That’s abuse, and it doesn’t become not abusive just because Rogan doesn’t understand the difference.
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by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Its a sad day
when people use the word ‘abuse’ to talk about a tv personality commenting on a blogger.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
by TheFilt on Jun 3, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Which part is sad?
The part where someone doesn’t understand how cursing out another human being is abusive? Or the part where it somehow magically becomes not abusive when the people involved are famous?
Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.
I'm pretty sure I outlined exactly what I thought was sad.
Read it again.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Then you have a strange sense of irony
If by “sad” you meant “entirely appropriate”
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by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
One person saying bad things in the media about another person in the media is ‘abuse’. Makes perfect sense.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
Glad we agree
Because apparently some people haven’t grasped that a profanity-laced ad hominem attack is pretty much the textbook example of verbal abuse.
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by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
Or to your mom in a telegram, or to the King of China by carrier pigeon. Because the level of acquaintance and the medium of delivery are totally irrelevant to the definition of abuse.
Any other fallacies we can debunk today?
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by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You're so happy with yourself :)
Yet you don’t get it. Yes, you can call it ‘abuse’, but it just makes you seem a little bit ‘extreme’.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
i would say it makes him seem.... like something else.
The word I would use starts with a C. I would use the word, but I don’t want to force him into 5 years of group therapy to deal with the pain.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 2:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
cordial?
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah.....
That was it.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Congenial?
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jun 3, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not happy about any of this
Particularly not the part where you miss Rogan’s argument resting on the idea that Maggie Hendricks is just jealous of Karyn Bryant’s looks and should be happy for whatever attention Rampage or any other fighter gives her. Feel free to explain how that isn’t abusive.
If Joe Rogan were some jackass on the street that nobody or knew or cared about, it would still be abusive. But it gets worse when he’s actually “that guy that makes funny on the Yoo-Eff-See” with fans who will parrot his crap or even try to top it.
We do agree that it’s pretty goddamn sad, just not which part.
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awesome!
more posts about how womanhood is equivalent to weakness! Just what this comment section needs!
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by some schmuck in texas on Jun 3, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
or to how knotted up underware would put you in a bad mood.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
also i find what you said about the
Chinese gov. Very very abusive. They have not had a king for many many years . It’s a sad day when The Peoples Republic of China doesn’t get the recognition it deserves in a comments section of a blog. Do you know all the hard work that goes into keeping China running? And then you make a statement saying that there is some "king " doing all that work. Very very offensive ……..
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 3:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
oh wow lol that totally invalidates everything i just said
you win the internets peace 4 real tho
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by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
of course i won.
There isn’t a world where you would beat me at anything. Except a crying contest.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 5:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
the punkbitchety levels in america have grown to
Unfathomed levels.
Stay strong Filt …… Stay strong.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 2:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Dude
you’re pretty sensitive, the world’s a tough place. Sticks and stones man, sticks and stones…
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 3, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you never seen the comments in youtube videos? They’re always filled with arguments and racism and lots of cursing. Why is this any different? Do you complain about youtubers?
by SpinningFistback on Jun 4, 2011 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Coz only disabled kids and ethnic minorities can be "abused"?
If you don’t think that Rogan was abusive then I honestly don’t think you understand the term
"Anyone who enjoys watching sport on television is an imbecile; a dangle-mouthed, cud-chewing, salivating ding-dong with a brain full of dim piss, blobbing out in front of a box watching a grunting thicko knock a ball round a field while their own sad carcass gently coagulates into a wobbling mass of beer and fat and thick white heart-attack gravy" - Charlie Brooker
by Mattyjudo on Jun 3, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The term is incredibly broad
killing animals for fur or meat is also abuse.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
by TheFilt on Jun 3, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're correct, the term is very broad
Certainly broad enough to encompass this scenario
"Anyone who enjoys watching sport on television is an imbecile; a dangle-mouthed, cud-chewing, salivating ding-dong with a brain full of dim piss, blobbing out in front of a box watching a grunting thicko knock a ball round a field while their own sad carcass gently coagulates into a wobbling mass of beer and fat and thick white heart-attack gravy" - Charlie Brooker
by Mattyjudo on Jun 3, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does that mean it would be the best term to use
when a person uses foul language to describe another person that they have no relationship what so ever? If so, all of us have abused many, many people. We should all be ashamed.
"Run and tweet THAT, homeboy."
It’s even sadder when they get rec’d
by SpinningFistback on Jun 4, 2011 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions
You clearly didn't read the original post
He offers nothing to explain what exactly makes Maggie’s writing shitty.
He links to two pieces she wrote:
Here’s an example of one of her "articles" about me and Mike Goldberg that reads more like a forum post written by a nit picky attention whore borrowing his mom’s laptop than someone that calls themselves a professional "journalist" employed by a reputable site like Yahoo.
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/The-best-of-Rogan-and-Goldberg-where-Rogan-goes?urn=mma-202602
Here’s another "article" where she makes fun of Stephen Quadros’ appearance.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/Why-is-a-good-make-up-artist-important-Ask-Step?urn=mma-210138
These are just a few of the entries from her that have annoyed me over the years. I could look for more, but I think you get the point.
Every apology is unnecessary since he doesn't care anyway and since it's not coming from his heart but his wallet.
Never did I imagine that so many people would get their panties in a bunch about the use of the word “c*nty” to describe a female blogger, but in this “gotcha” era of online “journalism” we find ourselves in any controversy that can be exploited to fill headlines and pad mandatory blog obligations will be pursued to the extreme.
"No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
but in this "gotcha" era of online "journalism"
really Rogan really he said that that just makes me shake my head and facepalm.
Love the whole we love the internet but not when you write about some of the stupid crap in which case you aren’t really anything blah blah blah.
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i'm not really sure this "cuts it"
but at least it feels sincere and not scripted.
i feel bad for maggie hendricks. she’s a pretty knowledgeable blogger and didn’t deserve this.
So I guess the MMA news well has been pretty low lately...
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by joeshowradio on Jun 3, 2011 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 14 recs
Totally, this situation wasn’t news at all. I mean, nevermind that it would bring the world of the NBA, NFL, MLB..etc. to a screeching halt should it ever happen. Nevermind that myself, as well as others, have personally been witness to this stuff causing bigger, mainstream outlets choosing not to cover the sport.
It’s not news because it’s not what you like to read about.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 3, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Now Brent, don’t go making a mountain out of a molehill. It’s not like Rogan is one of the two most recognized faces of the UFC…
by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Because most people haven’t watched MMA yet. Neither of those facts change the fact that Joe is one of the two most recognized faces for the UFC as far as actual employees go.
Being that, he needs to realize that what he says officially and unofficially is the UFC saying it. Quit making excuses, quit making half assed apologies, and quit posting randomly insulting things on The Underground.
by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you kidding me?
A commentator calling someone c*nty would bring the NFL to a screeching halt? You can’t be serious.
Every major sport has scandals far and away more egregious than this, and they have survived just fine.
Good grief.
You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.
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not screeching halt as in “shut it down” but as in it would get FULL media attention.
You REALLY think if say…Gus Johnson went on the internet after a female reporter insulted the way he called a basketball game and called her a cunt. yeah…that would be a pretty big story.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 3, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be a big story, but the vitality of the sport would remain absolutely unchanged.
I don’t have a problem with the cricism that is being received, but to say that MMA will somehow suffer because of this is fear mongoring.
You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.
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Dude, I don’t know WHY people refuse to acknowledge this.
I as well as other members of the “MMA media” have said that they’ve been in meetings (I was in a very large TV studio in downtown chicago discussing an MMA show on one of the largest stations in one of the largest markets in america) where it has been said by execs that the sport is “too risky” and they didn’t mean as far as injuries.
Trust me, it affects the sport.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 3, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
But was that more because of the barbaric nature of the sport, or because of the level of immaturity that surrounds many aspects of the sport (fans, fighters, president, commentators, etc.?)
the sport is "too risky" and they didn’t mean as far as injuries.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, okay, but I didn’t equal “injuries” with the violent nature of the sport (to say the least). But yeah, okay, I understand.
Yeah, the point was that you become tied to people who are loose cannons in an environment which doesn’t seem to really care about the things that (regardless of if you like it or not) are important to media execs. Yeah, guys in the NBA may say “fag” but they’re then fined and reprimanded and the league takes to running campaigns about how the behavior is wrong.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 3, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
half of the NFL is seemingly loose cannons, look at the rap sheet for just this lockout period, it’s enough to make your head hurt.
You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.
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But you’re ignoring the part where the league at least attempts to “handle” things. The “league” (UFC in this case) has its president doing the exact things that are of concern.
Plus, there’s no cultural currency in MMA like there is in other, more established sports.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 3, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said. I wrote the same thing 15 seconds before just below. It all starts at the top. The time will come where the UFC will need a well-manered president, someone that doesn’t use “fuck” as an adjective to describe anything, and someone that is able to keep a handle on its nutcases. Maybe not the best example because he’s not much of a MMA fan (IMO), but someone like Tom Wright, president of UFC Canada.
He talks like the kids do
a large portion of the fans of MMA, UFC in particular can relate to Dana and consider his behavior acceptable and normal. The “executives” are only looking at the risk of losing ad revenue and marketability, but these are guys that probably aren’t fans of the sport. There really a whole bunch of people that couldn’t care less about all this drama and will continue to support the UFC regardless of the behavior outside the cage.
I understand and agree with that completely. It all starts at the top with Dana White, IMO. He’s just as immature as Rampage is, and not the right person to handle deals with serious entities such as ESPN or NBC.
Can't you see the hypocrisy
They will Jerry Springer and all these MTV real world where people act ten times worse but MMA is “Risky” you should have told these fuckers off not try to give the other cheek.
so you're telling me...
That “Large TV studios” (and I will presume you are talking about the big networks and not local channel X) that they won’t invest in a budding sport because of the fans, or perceived immaturity of athletes?
You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.
twitter.com/JayAreW
they don't give a shit either
These same “executives” probably hit up the local strip club from time to time and act the same way outside the office. It’s hypocrisy is what it is. I know a ton of dudes that wouldn’t a damn about this silliness except if maybe a girl was in the room. The only reason guys act like it matters to them is because they want to seem like a chauvinist around women so they can continue getting laid. Truth
This is just ignorant.
Just because other people think in differently it doesn’t men they’re hypocrites or “fakes”. Some guys just care about how other human beings are treated indifferently from their gender.
That was in regard to the second part of your post. As to the first, all I can say is that actions matter more than intentions., which, by the way, is the very reason that the actions of Rampage and Rogan are so objectionable.
how's the truth ignorant?
That’s just being honest. Not many dudes are as sensitive as you seem to be sweetheart
To be fair...
Regular Bloody Elbow visitors typically don’t exhibit the same behavior as the majority of the MMA demographic.
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You remember when Gus Johnson
said Chris Johnson, RB of the Tennessee Titans, had “running from the cops speed” during one of his 90-yard runs against the Jaguars a couple years back? He had to issue an apology for that and the NFL released a statement and it got some good play because it was construed as potentially racist because Johnson is black.
Everything everyone says with a big enough platform is under the microscope and subject to discussion.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
What's sad is
I’m not sure if you’re making that up or if Gus actually said that. Both are possible and, again, that’s kind of fucked up.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes these things happen in basketball
For real though, as long as the UFC keeps putting on events, I don’t care what anyone thinks of anyone involved. Dana’s a dick and Joe’s an insensitive asshole. So what?
I don’t know why fans would care unless they have nothing else to worry about. Of all the terrible things that probably happened around the world today and yesterday, this ranks pretty low.
by d.rok on Jun 3, 2011 5:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Here's a guy who got fired by ESPN for calling a female journalist "Sweet Baby"
But I’m sure you’re right, and “c*nty” would have been fine.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair
Uncle Ron should’ve been fired years ago for being an idiot.
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by Anthony Pace on Jun 3, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kobe calling the ref a "faggot" caused a ruckus for a few days.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny thing about that
wasn’t that turned into an issue because the camera caught him and people could make out the word? And it wasn’t necessarily that anyone heard it but they could tell what he said and it got blown up that way?
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Maybe?
I don’t follow basketball – I just heard about it in the general news.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn't a stick-and-ball sport Brent, This is the fight game.
Tyson told a reporter he was going to “fuck him until he loved him, faggot” in the Lewis/Tyson press conference.
Result?
Wikipedia: “This fight was the highest-grossing event in pay-per-view history, generating $106.9 million from 1.95 million buys in the U.S., until it was surpassed by De La Hoya-Mayweather in 2007.”
Different sports, different worlds….
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Should we really hold MMA to the standards of an admitted, convicted rapist
who was promoted by a convicted, admitted murderer?
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by pdl on Jun 3, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Too high?
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jun 3, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
my favorite part of the lead up to that fight.
Mike- I am gonna kill him, I am gonna , murder him, I am gonna eat his children. All praise be to Allah.
Reporter- what do you think of that Lenox?
Lennox- I don’t have any children…….
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 3:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I think that was the real-world inspiration for the line in my sig.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jun 3, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Lennox
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"A samurai would bite your cock off if you tried that shit on the battlefield." - Kid Nate
btw
Mike says he never raped that chick. Look into the case. Mike went to jail for being a scary fuckin dude ,not rape. Very little pointed to rape in that case.
King however totally smoked a dude.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 5:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Again, you’re ignoring that it HAS impacted the coverage that the sport has gotten.
You’re also talking about boxing, which has LONG been established in the world and even got it’s start as a gentlemanly art. And then you’re talking about a rare huge fight involving a fighter who was bigger than sports altogether.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 3, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
boxing was illeagal in new york city in the 1920s
Sounds like a bit of a criminal history much like mma.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 5:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i dont know?
That is beyond my scope of knowledge on the subject.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 5:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
was baseball outlawed after the series thing?
If not , I would lean more towards “hitting is scary” for the reason.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 5:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No it wasn't outlawed
It was just a time period where a lot of pro sports were corrupted by essentially an organised crime element. And that’s not to mention prohibition.
But there's a difference
Yes, both mma and boxing are combat sports, but there’s a big difference: one is a league and the other isn’t. And when one league dominates a sport, that league effectively IS the sport (think NFL, NBA, MLB, etc.).
So when Mayweather decides to go on a racist rant against Pacquiao on youtube, he’s not speaking as an employee of the league or representative of the sport, because there IS no league that co-terminous with the sport. There’s virtually no connection between Mayweather and Klitschko, for example. He’s speaking in his capacity as an individual. And, yes, he has a contract with Goldon Boy, but that’s essentially an agent/client relationship, not an employee/employer relationship. Again, when he did his offensive Asian bit, no one clucked their tongues disapprovingly at Golden Boy, because it’s clear to everyone he doesn’t represent anyone but himself.
But when Rampage goes on a … well, rampage, it reflects badly on the sport because he’s an employee of the UFC, which IS professional mma, for all intents and purposes. It makes the UFC look like it’s populated by sexist thugs, and it sullies the brand. So, when Rampage take a media shit, it doesn’t just hurt him, it hurts Jon Jones and Rick Story and Thiago Alves, because network executives aren’t going to want to carry their fights either; they may all be sweet as pie, but they fight under the same brand - and in the same sport - as Rampage, and they get tarred with the same brush because now that sport comes loaded with negative associations for the general sports-loving public.
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"Gotcha"? This was hardly a hidden-camera operation.
He said (typed) it in public forum. Now he won’t go on Katie Couric, either.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 1:25 PM EDT reply actions
It means exactly the same thing to me, it’s just that “c*nty” sounds better and is more fun to use.
Gotta agree with Joe here. I haven’t had as much fun using a new term since “retarded” was popular. Everyone at my office is using it. We LOL each time someone drops it in a conversation. What a blast!
This sounds sincere to you?
My apologies to Maggie Hendricks for calling her “c*nty,” and I truly hope I didn’t hurt her feelings. My forum post was honest and off the cuff, and I didn’t think out the possible reactions to it. I don’t know the woman, and I’m sure she’s probably a nice person in real life, but if I have a point with any of this it’s that when you put negative s*** out there in the form of bitchy blog posts, that shit is going to come right back at you, and you better not be surprised.
So he didn’t want to hurt her feelings, except that he’s just being honest and she totally should have seen it coming for being so negative.
That’s not even a “I’m sorry I hurt your feelings” apology. It’s more like, “I’m sorry you got mad when I hurt your feelings.”
Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.
I do think this is an honest attempt at extending the olive branch to Hendricks.
Pretty weak part of the branch…..
Joe knows comedy, he knows BJJ and hes arguably MMA’s best color commentator..but this does mean that he has any clue about online journalism or even what it means to be a MMA journalist in 2011.
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Dude never actually apologizes in his apologies
Wish I could get away with that.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Why I never joined a frat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-KNVrZaN8M
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
"A samurai would bite your cock off if you tried that shit on the battlefield." - Kid Nate
by Chris Barton on Jun 3, 2011 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
MUST READ THE BOOKS NOW
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Just downloaded first 4 to kindle...I hope that once I leapfrog the episode 8, I don't hate the way it plays out on TV
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The first book is a basic story setup. It gets interesting starting with book 2…
by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I know this is weird
but it keeps it so close I get upset, because I want certain things to not happen.
Why I never joined a frat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-KNVrZaN8M
"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
"A samurai would bite your cock off if you tried that shit on the battlefield." - Kid Nate
You hated the first episode? What are you against Twincest or something??

You know Joe, Brandon Vera is considered to be a Heavyweight George St.Pierre because he just comes, comes, and comes again... -Mike Goldberg, UFC 57
Cheick Kongo looks like a cross between Evander Holyfield and pop singer Seal!
Melvin Guilard looks like a little Kevin Randelman!
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by Jonnycaz2.0 on Jun 3, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I thought it was poorly paced
Spent like 5 minutes just on Sean Bean’s fat friend arriving on a horse.
Agree to disagree, lets stop fighting ;)

You know Joe, Brandon Vera is considered to be a Heavyweight George St.Pierre because he just comes, comes, and comes again... -Mike Goldberg, UFC 57
Cheick Kongo looks like a cross between Evander Holyfield and pop singer Seal!
Melvin Guilard looks like a little Kevin Randelman!
-Mike "All black people look alike to me" Goldberg, UFC 62/64
Game of Thrones gifs?
Already? Someone has got to make one of the kid being shoved out of the tower for me.
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by Wrestling Uber Alles on Jun 3, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Just finished reading this section of the book.
Looked down at my kindle and i’m only 5% into the whole quadrilogy…AWESOME!!!
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
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You must. They are excellent.
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the preview button is their for a reason.
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by BeardedNerd on Jun 3, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Just noticed your sig.
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"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
"A samurai would bite your cock off if you tried that shit on the battlefield." - Kid Nate
I thoroughly resent the notion that online blogs don't constitute "proper" journalism.
It’s simply a way of delegitimizing valid opinions, complaints and analysis from independent journalists, who often have legitimate viewpoints.
'No matter what your ideology may be, once you believe you are in the possession of some infallible truth, you become a combatant in a religious war."
It's also insane
Last I checked, ESPN and Sports Illustrated both carry considerable content on their blogs — separate and apart from their print and television platforms. Journalism has nothing to do with the medium and everything to do with the standards.
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LOL. This guy. He’s become a parody of the very people he often railed against. He’s simply an unfunny gassed up meathead playing the part of alpha male on the internet. What a buffoon.
dont be so sensitive
i say worse shit than that every day of my life…
im sick of the double standard for TV personalities… TV is not a seperate universe from the real world… it IS the real world… so i dont care about being PC, or proper, or whatever….
I appreciate REAL people on fake ass TV nowadays
C*NTY FTW!
Fedor Hator
by Dot Scherer on Jun 3, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You have a demented view of "real"...
…as though showing politeness & respect & decorum aren’t real.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
its not about politeness
its about him giving his true, un-censored opinion on a subject… which i can appreciate
jeez 99% of the retards on TV say the same PC bullsh*t
Fedor Hator
by Dot Scherer on Jun 3, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He can give his position without sounding like a misogynist or other bigot.
@scb0212
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
SORRY
but we disagree… i dont get bigot or misogynist out of this at all…
just honesty… jeez u cant insult a chick witout it being sexist or what?
Fedor Hator
by Dot Scherer on Jun 3, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course you can. It's when you use the very nature of being a female as an insult that it moves to sexism.
But he uses language like “fag” to imply being “weak and pathetic”. That’s being a bigot.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
if you can manage to avoid terms like
c*nty and bitchy you’re making progress. but you can’t really celebrate your freedom to use those terms and then complain when you get called out on your sexist bullshit.
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If you call someone a dick, are you being sexist?
If so, what insults can you use in America without someone getting c*nty?
no because in this sexist world
men have most all the power and respect, MR BIG DICK is a term of respect, the reverse is not true.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 3, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
All things considered.....
If Kid Nate wasn’t who he is that would’ve been kinda funny… or it’s Friday and I’m feeling forgiving.
by Brandon Starr on Jun 3, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have felt worse about it
if he had more than eight comments in his three months of membership.
That picture...
My god.
GSP - A machine designed specifically to stop Jon Fitch from ever becoming champion.
Using common sense
We know that a big dick is desirable women because it feels better. If someone said Mrs. Wonder Pussy, it would mean something totally different than ‘big pussy’.
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Insults that accurately describe a person's negative traits without imagning those traits to be a product of anatomy or sexual orientation or skin color?
Just a guess
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by szquirrel on Jun 3, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oh wait, I see you're a giant pear with a mouth.
In that case, classic giant-pear-with-a-mouth ignorance. You people are such pearmouths. God, you make me sick.
It's not my fault my parents were pears with mouths
Quit oppressing my people, you specist
Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.
How dare you?
Some of my best friends are giant pears with mouths! They just don’t act like those other ones do. My grandfather, a poor kitten wearing a hat immigrant from Youtuberg, Austria, worked his tiny paws to the bone making a living in the internets factory before all you damn pearmouths came and took the jobs! Terk errr jerrrrrrrbs!!

I think we've peaked on the humor value of this
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Indeed.
Things are getting rather silly.

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh excuse me, Im off to play the Grawnd Piano...

You know Joe, Brandon Vera is considered to be a Heavyweight George St.Pierre because he just comes, comes, and comes again... -Mike Goldberg, UFC 57
Cheick Kongo looks like a cross between Evander Holyfield and pop singer Seal!
Melvin Guilard looks like a little Kevin Randelman!
-Mike "All black people look alike to me" Goldberg, UFC 62/64
You're a kitty!

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by Richard Wade on Jun 3, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd like to think so
but apparently not.
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by some schmuck in texas on Jun 3, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
people offended by words
need to grow up. Just because you’ve made certain words taboo in your mind doesn’t mean every one else is offended by them. Some people are more mature than that.
by Gurthee on Jun 3, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Some people are mature enough to realize that language has its appropriate uses.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Mature enough even to realize that language is the way in which we frame the world, dictates our perception of it and thus has very real and often unfortunate effects.
by PlutoCps on Jun 3, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
… and words will dictate what jobs you’re allowed to get and how well you’re treated. In some cases even the quality of the medical attention you’ll get for those broken bones. Maybe even the reason why people came at you with sticks and stones in the first place.
by PlutoCps on Jun 3, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
GTFOH
In some cases even the quality of the medical attention you’ll get for those broken bones
That’s lame dude. My wifes a nurse. She’s not gonna risk her job just because a drunk dude calls her a cunt. Ya’ll are some senstive ass rainbows
by Str8_right on Jun 3, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s lame dude. My wifes a nurse. She’s not gonna risk her job just because a drunk dude calls her a cunt. Ya’ll are some senstive ass rainbows
This sentence, coming from you, makes absolutely perfect sense to me.
Is "rainbow" some kind of slur?
I’m certainly not familiar with it.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
It’s a cuter way of saying fag. In reference to rainbows being commonly used in the LGBT community.
by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I like rainbows.
Always have.
I was very upset, when at the age of eleven I wore my favorite Reading Rainbow sweatshirt to school (which was simply red, with a rainbow, no words) and someone ridiculed me and told me they were for gays.
It has since been my dream to re-claim the rainbow for all humanity…unsuccessful as I have been in these first 12 years since the incident, I will continue to fight the good fight. You’re welcome.
Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.
by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I was eleven...
So my tolerance for sterotypes was at an all time low.
I found it very unfair that because I liked rainbows, and wearing my rainbow sweatshirt, I had to be classified in any group. Gay or otherwise.
Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.
by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair point!
You were unfairly stereotyped, and that sucks.
My idea though, would be that instead of “taking the rainbow back” from the gay community, it’s more important to fight stereotypes of gay people as weak and pathetic or whatever other views Rogan may hold. If those negative stereotypes are challenged, I don’t think it would be a problem to wear the rainbow
Obviously I’ve gone beyond just the word cunt here. The implied part of your post was “but words will never hurt me”. I’m just pointing out that some words will indeed hurt. At different times and places “words” have dictated the treatment of classes of people, including medical treatment. Thankfully, in the US, in 2011, being a woman is not grounds for substandard medical treatment.
If someone doesn't want to be called something, I try not to call them that
I never thought of it as an immature stance.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Bible, Constitution, and Declaration of Independence are all just words
as is Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto. This notion that words aren’t important or that people shouldn’t be offended by them is insane. Words, whether by themselves or in context, have significant power and meaning and how we use them matters.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jun 3, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone else seen that Louis CK bit
where he’s astonished by how white people are incensed that black people get to say the “n-word” but they don’t? He raises the excellent point: why do you want to say it so much?
If there are people who are honestly offended by the word “c*nty,” and you want to discuss the quality of a piece of journalism and are equipped with the incredibly rich lexicon of the English language, why would you ever opt for “c*nty,” a word not only offensive, but sort of meaningless in the context of journalistic criticism?
Which is a long and largely irrelevant reply intended to say that I agree with Monte Fisto on this one.
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I love that bit
All of Louie CK’s stuff about race is really on point.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jun 3, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
much better
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jun 3, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because:
Is Louie CK’s bit about the word faggot support really on point in this discussion? Wouldn’t that commentary on the use of language support Rogan’s use of words deemed derogatory to a certain group (i.e. faggot and cunt) in a way that is still offensive, but not homophobic or misogynistic, respectively?
I take issue with Louis's point.
I want to use it because it’s a word, and words are useful tools. If some group is allowed to deny me a word, that diminishes the language.
A little bit of Orwell is still Orwell.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
You take issue with it, but you don't address it.
Yes, words are useful tools — no argument that language is terrific — but why do you want to use the “n-word” in particular? Because it’s a “useful tool”? What use is the “n-word” suited for?
I mean, a head kick is a useful tool, but it’s useful for kicking people in the head. There are times and places when that might be appropriate. The argument as I understand it is that the time and place to call someone “c*nty” is not when you’re one of the public faces of a sport commenting on a journalist whose coverage you don’t care for.
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by JoshSBooks on Jun 3, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
"What use is the "n-word" suited for?"
I once yelled it when a hammer was droppped on my head from a floor above. Seemed appropriate at the time.
Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.
by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
See? All about context. But, other than his writing, we don’t have any evidence that poor JOE had just sustained serious head trauma.
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Oh that's rich...
Very good zinger there my friend.
Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.
by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
This community is so much fun.
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LOL!
Why the fuck did you use the n-word then? Did it end with a “ger”, or a “gga”. I’m black and I use the ending “gga” all the time…well at least I used to amongst my friends. It’s used more in jest now then anything else.
I have a few good white friends and an asian friend and they use it here and there around me just fucking around too, and I could care less. However, I DO know some guys who would be quick to fuck someone up (who isn’t black) for using the word, so idk, use at your own risk I guess lol.
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 3, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't even know why man...
It was definitely the “ger” version too.
All I can say is that hammer fell a good six feet directly on to my dome, and I had to spit out something…I guess the level of filth that word is often compared to best fit the excruciating pain I felt in that moment.
Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.
by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't particularly want to use he n-word.
But I do want to use other words, and I don’t want those words take away from me beuse someone decided that they’re offensive. The only way to ensure that I don’t lose the words I find useful is to avoid losing any word at all.
It’s not about the n-word. It’s about the principle of ANY word becoming forbidden.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
You can use any word you want
but you have to be aware that using certain words in certain contexts is going to have consequences. Free speech is protected not because words are meaningless, but because they are powerful. That word, in particular, is associated with oppression, violence and a time when human beings were bought and sold as property. It has incredibly powerful and dark associations. So you (or anyone else) can feel free to say it, but should be prepared to experience a range of pretty serious consequences for doing so.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jun 3, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not about me being sensitive. Its about Joe Rogan’s toughguy persona hitting ridiculous levels. He’s a joke of a dude masquerading as Mr. Real Talk. Oooh! Oooh! Maybe he’ll talk about how he takes drugs again and shoot more boring video talking with Eddie Bravo. That will be controversial. That Joe Rogan, so wacky!
by VirtualBalboa on Jun 3, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rogan is a meathead with an identity crisis.
I remember seeing him flip out and try to choke a guy out for joking with him backstage at a comedy show. Not something you’d expect out of that chill guy who sees the world differently because he’s so full of DMT.
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by lowellthehammer on Jun 3, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
"Joke of a dude masquerading as Mr. Real Talk"
I love it.
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I think you should have went with your initial headline
No way is there anything sincere about this.
but if I have a point with any of this it’s that when you put negative s*** out there in the form of bitchy blog posts, that shit is going to come right back at you, and you better not be surprised.
Anyone else find this part especially amusing? Since, you know, that is EXACTLY what happened to Joe Rogan.
by Horselover Fat on Jun 3, 2011 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Whether or not Rogan wants to be, he’s a major figure in MMA. He needs to start acting like it. He cant say ridiculous things like this and then complain about Bob Reilly’s misguided and wrong views on MMA. These frat boy, alpha male and juvenile comments do nothing but prove Reilly and John McCain right. STFU Joe.
Also, I always thought Rogan was smart enough to know that there’s no such thing as privacy on the internet. ESPECIALLY when you’re a public figure.
Are our bones not dust?
Is our Blood not Poison?
On my knees in the black light
Praying for Salvation, bitter Redemption
So throw your dice and cast your shadow
You may look away
But your children will not...
Rogan's probably in the wrong here but I just can't force myself to care.
He said cunty on the UG. Big deal. Life goes on.
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by lowellthehammer on Jun 3, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 16 recs
I agree, but I’m bored at work so I’m picking sides.
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Yeah, I've beem weighing in too
but Lowell kinda hit the nail on the head. Still if we can’t fight bitterly about stuff we’ll forget tomorrow, it really wouldn’t be the Internet.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jun 3, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ha
exactly
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Jun 3, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Number 1 rule of the internet.
Never apologise, ever. You cannot win.
by UncleMax on Jun 3, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
meh

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by Cory Braiterman on Jun 3, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 14 recs
if this picture is meme'd
I think the better one to use is “Come At Me Bro”
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
oh yea?

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by Cory Braiterman on Jun 3, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
lol, but why did they use a yellow color for the bottom words?
Distracting…
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by SentientAndroid on Jun 3, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Are people really getting upset at the word 'c*nty'?
BE is getting worse by the day with all these seemingly forced efforts to get offended. The mainstream media is boring cliche filled shit, and it guys like Dana/Joe/Rampage that actually show their true personality that help make the sport interesting.
by Dlugaldinho on Jun 3, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 18 recs
That isn't the point.
I think people fear that the perceived immaturity of the MMA community will hinder the sport’s long term prospects and profitability. I don’t think people are upset about the profanity itself; they’re concerned about how eminent members of the community convey themselves, and the potentially damaging ramifications it might have on the sport we all love.
'No matter what your ideology may be, once you believe you are in the possession of some infallible truth, you become a combatant in a religious war."
by Yxas on Jun 3, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think people fear that theperceivedimmaturity of the MMA community will hinder the sport’s long term prospects and profitability.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please...
I left an NFL game because I couldn’t take the amount homophobic slurs that were being thrown around. Spend an hour in an NFL tailgating lot, and tell me with a straight face that MMA has the most immature community.
You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.
twitter.com/JayAreW
I didn't say we were the most, only that the immaturity isn't merely "perceived".
@scb0212
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody said "most immature"
It’s actually possible that both communities are immature, and in any case, the immaturity of one sporting community doesn’t exonerate the immaturity of another.
'No matter what your ideology may be, once you believe you are in the possession of some infallible truth, you become a combatant in a religious war."
I’ve seen fights break out in bars over a Vancouver hockey game, I’ve seen fights in the NFL stands and at high school football games, Phillies fans threw batteries at opposing players… All sports, save maybe golf and tennis, are RIDDLED with immature idiots. MMA is no better or worse than any of the rest of them.
You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.
twitter.com/JayAreW
Point being...
It’s not the fans of the sport that increase or decrease coverage, or forward progress of the sport.. it’s the athletes on the field
You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.
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Joe is a large part of that representation.
He’s not just a fan, being that he’s an employee of the UFC, and one of the most visible.
Well regardless of our disagreements, I think we can all agree
that Philadelphia is a miserable pit that should be razed to the ground.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jun 3, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I find shrill people who are easily offended and self-righteous enough to whine about it as the pinnacle of immaturity beyond someone who is simply rude and uses “foul language”.
I sympathise with both perspectives.
I’m the type of person who used to use foul language freely, as my reflexive impulse towards profanity is one of indifference, however as I have come to understand that certain words can really upset people, I have began to remove those words from my active vocabulary: there are always less controversial ways to be calumniatory, and get your point across successfully.
So the way I see it is: why court controversy, especially when that controversy is likely to deflect attention away from an otherwise worthy or valid perspective? If I can avoid offending people, i’ll do so.
'No matter what your ideology may be, once you believe you are in the possession of some infallible truth, you become a combatant in a religious war."
by Yxas on Jun 3, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The problem here isn’t foul language. It’s language that is offensive to specific groups or categories of people and that reinforces stereotypes and prejudices. I don’t get upset if I hear someone say fuck, or shit or something like that (though there are circumstances in which that is inappropriate), I get upset when I hear somebody refer to somebody else as a faggot or to a woman as a cunt or when I hear racial epithets.
by PlutoCps on Jun 3, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Very good point.
'No matter what your ideology may be, once you believe you are in the possession of some infallible truth, you become a combatant in a religious war."
No, it's not.
Being offensive is not, in itself, a bad thing. Being offensive isn’t even a relevant characteristic. It’s debatable whether offense even exists outide of social conditioning.
I don’t use foul language because it upsets people. But it’s not that they get upset that is the problem – it’s that I face ive consequences as a result of them being upset. So while I try not to upset these people with their delicate sensibilities, I think less of them for having delicate sensibilities.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Okay, so let me re-frame my post, then:
“Using language that hurts the feelings of people isn’t the problem (though there are real life adverse consequences from such language in some contexts). This language doesn’t bother me. Using language that in our current social context has the effect of reinforcing preexisting prejudices against segments of the population has the effect of causing actual damage to the people belonging to those segments, which is a problem. This language bothers me.”
Whether “offense even exists outside of social conditioning” or not is indifferent, as we are social animals, we necessarily live in society and language is a social construct, absolutely meaningless when outside its context.
I'm not going to concern myself with the extent to which people can't overcome their conditioning.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
This is really quite amusing.
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I’m not outraged. I am upset and disappointed. It didn’t ruin my day or anything, but I do have a strong opinion about the subject, which I chose to express.
why does it seem that all you can say to people is to get over it or stop being so emotional? is that the extent to which you can back up your arguments? maybe some people were offended, you werent, congratulations. while you want us to let people say whatever it is they want you are in here telling people that they are too sensitive for saying what they want. why dont you pick a side and stay there. either people can say what they want of they cant.
by trickthethaifighter on Jun 4, 2011 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mostly this.
Feelings towards women and feminism aside, it’s about perception.
There is no real plus side to Joe Rogan, Dana White, or anyone else calling someone a “cunt” or a “fag”. No one’s on the fence about the MMA and says, “Hey, I wasn’t so sure about this UFC thing ’til I heard Joe Rogan call that guy a fag – I like the way he talks!”
On the flipside, I’d be willing to say there are plenty of people who would enjoy MMA but are turned off by the attitude and mentality surrounding the sport.
Speaking completely from personal experience, I’ve turned a few of my friends/family into casual MMA fans by making them watch events with me. By realizing that MMA is more than just two sweaty meatheads pummeling one another, they appreciated (at least to some extent) the complexity behind the sport. Joe Rogan and DFW perpetuate, through their words, the “meathead” stereotype.
"So even though it’s the gayest sport ever, MMA is still the best sport ever. I love my gay sport." - Wrestling Uber Alles
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Tweeter!
BE is getting worse by the day
Says the guy who joined in fucking February.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I am not sure how long I have been a “memeber” but, I see a downward progresions aswell. Everyone takes every oppurtunity to take offense or pass judgement . I would have stopped being a part of this a long time ago but, I have a problem with stuff like this. I can not stop looking, sort of like a car wreck. (I dont look at car accidents though)
Good, bad... I'm the guy with the gun.
“BE is getting worse by the day with all these seemingly forced efforts to get offended.”
Different perspective, but I take it as BE is getting better every day as those who don’t belong here move along. (Typically to Mania where it’s the cool thing to troll and be insulting to anybody you don’t care for…)
by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
A lone instance of this sort of juvenility really wouldn't be a big deal
But this is Rogan’s second inside of 6 months. Dana’s got one under his belt too. Rampage has multiple of his own. Soon enough, everyone will completely forget about Kobe’s thing and remember his an incredible player. But if this stuff keeps popping up, it will continue to be associated with the sport as a whole. And, as Brent pointed out earlier, it has and will effect the exposure of the sport.
Bob Sapp vs. Rodrigo Nogueira Bob "The Beast" Sapp is 400 pounds, and if 300 pounds of it aren’t pure steroids, then someone has got to be fucking kidding. -SeanBaby
I actually agree with Rogan (in theory) and was glad he somewhat stood his ground
but guys with his profile in the UFC should be more careful in my opinion. I am rarely a “for the good of the sport” person, but I think it would be better for the sport if they were more careful with their language and other behaviors. I mean, I just hate that MMA is perceived as one of those things that people say :“oh you like that? You must be a moron” when you reveal to people you like MMA.
by mikedh on Jun 3, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rogan remarks
could have been directed to any reporter. The fact that Hendricks is a woman has nothing to do with it. It could have been a male reporter just like DW is attacking reporters calling them bitches. The fact that Rogan’s attack was so blunt might have been an issue but not in the contest of being sexist.
only, it absolutely does
see Broussard’s explanation above.
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by some schmuck in texas on Jun 3, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see it
as equality at its best. It has nothing to do with MMA. If I can’t criticize freely someone because of their gender, religion, color or anything else we go back in time.
by Coeman on Jun 3, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can't criticize them BECAUSE of their gender.
If you want to criticize Hillary Clinton because you feel she oversteps her authority as Sec. of State, that’s fair.
If you want to criticize Hillary Clinton because you feel women shouldn’t be in government, that’s sexism.
(NB: I’m not saying anything about Hillary Clinton – she’s just the first example to pop in my head. No politics, please)
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Not because DESPITE
He took the librety to critsize what she was writing as reporter cunty bitchy its about a reporter’s style not to call her these names because she is a woman the same can apply for man. And yes you can call Clinton a bitch just like you can call Obama a dick.
I'll respond to this once I figure out where all the punctuation marks are supposed to go...
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Rogan also referenced and agreed with a post that basically said she’s just mad because she’s ugly, face it, that’s piss-poor criticism even without the cunty and bitchy add ons.
Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure.
Rampage said
In an interview with Ariel Helwani that he has lice on his beard, if a man can say to woman or other man that he or she is ugly it might be inappropriate but has nothing to do with sexism.
Irrelevant
It’s basic debate 101, ad hominiem attacks dilute any point you’re trying to make, doesn’t matter who says it to whom.
Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure.
Not in this case
Talking about conduct very relevant. The question is not whether his conduct is right or wrong the question is whether Rampage treats all reporters in the same manner which is in this case bad.
Just because the same CAN apply for a man...
…doesn’t mean you should use it to apply. It’s just as much discretionary. As a public face of the sport (like it or not, he is), Rogan should represent himself better and think before he speaks.
"So even though it’s the gayest sport ever, MMA is still the best sport ever. I love my gay sport." - Wrestling Uber Alles
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
Rogan is a comedian
and a blogger he has been known to be crazy and vulgar, he doesn’t represent anybody but himself.
When dealing with MMA, he is a representative of the UFC.
Only Dana is better known.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
In addition to being a comedian and a blogger,...
…he’s also a commentator for the UFC. You can’t pick and choose what he does and doesn’t do.
"So even though it’s the gayest sport ever, MMA is still the best sport ever. I love my gay sport." - Wrestling Uber Alles
"Ellismania is, along with the black President, a symbol of the future." - Mayhem Miller
Tweeter!
Everything should be in context he is not going on the air as commentator cursing and swearing he has his blogger hat comedian hat and commentator hat I can definitely see a separation there.
He's going on an MMA forum
as a representative of MMA
Bob Sapp vs. Rodrigo Nogueira Bob "The Beast" Sapp is 400 pounds, and if 300 pounds of it aren’t pure steroids, then someone has got to be fucking kidding. -SeanBaby
Rogan reminds me
Of one of those first-year liberal arts students who claims that they’re SO open-minded and tolerant and wonders why everyone can’t be the same way. But if you disagree with him, then you’re “close-minded” and an idiot and he doesn’t wanna hear what you’ve got to say.
So please tell me, who’s the close-minded one?
by mthom on Jun 3, 2011 1:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 12 recs
Sums it up pretty well. He is the typical non-progessive progressive.
by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO
Rogan’s apology reads as much as “fuck you” as it does “I’m sorry”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 3, 2011 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
See, I disagree. Most apologies come out as though they were writtent by PR agencies and don’t appear sincere at all. They might not all have a “fuck you” undertone to them, but they certainly don’t have a sincere “I’m sorry” aspect to them, either.
And we should scoff at those as well
Look at this apology:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/26/ed-schultz-apologizes-laura-ingraham_n_867308.html
Doesn’t seem overly qualified.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Most people in general are rarely sorry when they apologise
They just feel forced to in the circumstances.
well fuck you
i’m sorry
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by Cory Braiterman on Jun 3, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a pretty cunty apology.
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-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jun 3, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
It read to me as an FU to bloggers and fanboy types and an apologie to the Lady.
Good, bad... I'm the guy with the gun.
I find the “snarky, poorly thought out offerings” comment incredibly apropos here, no?
Fagen – Ironic or perhaps appropriate; considering the majority of your writing is built upon snark and sarcasm…
You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.
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No, you see, it’s apropos because Rogan wrote a snarky, poorly thought out comment on a message board while accusing others of doing the same. This has nothing to do with me or whether my snarky, poorly thought out commentary is worth a damn.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
I don’t have an issue with Rogan on this. I’ve listened to him rant on him podcast often enough to believe that he was just talking off the cuff and definitely does use words like cunt without the heavy meaning some give it. I’m sure he meant to take a jab at her, but he probably didn’t mean it to sound as heavy as some take the word, hence his half-ass’d apology.
and definitely does use words like cunt without the heavy meaning some give it.
That’s the problem.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He represents the biggest org in the sport I love
I am a UFC consumer and want him fired.
If they fail to react to consumer sentiment their brand and their business will suffer.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
This thread would seem to indicate that WE outnumber YOU.
Although I grant you that, on the whole, most MMA fans are meatheads.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
just because the same four people are posting rebuttals all over this thread on how we need to be more sensitive and PC towards everyone doesn’t mean there’s more people that actually care. I’m just entertaining myself getting you silly guys riled up until I get off of work. Silly Rabbit
If you're not going to contribute anything and are just pissing people off out of boredom, then stop.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like I said, on the whole I think you're right …
… most MMA fans are TapouT wearing meatheads.
I’ve just never seen anyone claim and profess it quite so proudly.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i am not a meat head.
Nor am I a whiney little cry baby.
I actually don’t like the word cunt. It should be reserved for the most vile of men and women. Other wise it would loose its luster. I think , hack , no nothing ,would have been more fitting . But if Joe thinks she is than that’s between Joe and Maggie……and maybe Maggie’s lover. Cause if Joe said that about my girl I would smash him.
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by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 6:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Your first sentence and last two sentence are at odds with one another.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The dichotomy of humans is an amazing thing.
Daddy’s little angel, could be my little whore; that I love honor and respect.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 7:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
mods
If the language is out of line please delete.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 7:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wow bad grammar.
The dichotomy of humans, its an amazing thing.
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Jun 3, 2011 7:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think that grammar still needs a tweak.
Will the third time be the charm?
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The lesson you should be learning from all of this “politicaly correct” hoopla is that the only people you are allowed to criticize, make fun of, or degrade, are white heterosexual males.
That's a stupid lesson to learn.
You can absolutely criticize women, blacks, gays, etc. You cannot criticize them for BEING a woman, or black, or gay.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
But Scooooottttt
That’s just so harrrrrrrrd. I don’t WANNA criticize Maggie Hendricks for her writiiiinnnnnnggg, it’s so much eaaaasierrrrr to just call her a c****nnnnnt!

Why can’t we just talk like “real people”* talk?
*"Real people" refers exclusively to the small circle of people I choose to interact with on a regular basis.
A real person is one that exists.
What is your definition of a “real” person? You use that word ambiguously.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Real:
True and actual “I think therefore I am.” This is the brave new world weather you like it or not everybody you interact with over here is real.
Rogan isn't a "real person" by your definition
because he’s clearly not thinking.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jun 3, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
But are you "physically" real?
How do you know that every “thought” you have isn’t but a whim of God? Is the man in front of you “real” as you would conceive “real”, or simply an idea in your head? If the idea is put into your head by God, is it then actually real?
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
How do you know they are your thoughts?
Maybe you’re a figment of someone else’s imagination.
“I think, therefore I am” is a circular argument, as it presupposes that the thinker exists.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Indeed
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
God?
That’s a different debate but when these atoms and neutrons are active in your brain you exist and therefore real.
Read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-realism
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The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I WANT MY BELT BACK!
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jun 3, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'M THE MOST PRETENTIOUS EVA!
I’M THE MOST PRETENTIOUS EVA!
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I like philosophy,
But in the grand scale of the Universe we are all made from a single point of energy no larger than a billionth of billionth cm. What ever we feel, think or do we are just matter that became into existence 14 billion years ago. All the connections in our brains generating thoughts, our skin our pounding heart is nothing but star dust which is absolutely real.
Well, yes. I'd agree with all that.
Interesting, you listed “atoms and neutrons” as through they are two separate things, instead of one being a sub-structure of the other.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, but it's a needless separation.
Atoms implies neutrons. Why say that when it’s redundant? Speak of “atoms and interactions” – sounds much better.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Exception to the rule!
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Except the ones that do.
Bolts from the Blue // "I eat cereal out of a giant novelty wine glass because it makes me feel fancy." - Britney Wade
Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten
Logically invalid
Descartes is trying to prove that “I” exist, but he presupposes it in the premise. Begging the Question.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought the cogito was self-evident.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
Perhaps, but still not logically valid when formally laid out.
If the cogito does not presuppose a substantial self, what then is the epistemic basis for injecting the "I" into the "I think"? Some critics have complained that, in referring to the "I", Descartes begs the question by presupposing what he means to establish in the "I exist." Among the critics, Bertrand Russell objects that "the word ‘I’ is really illegitimate"; that Descartes should have, instead, stated "his ultimate premiss in the form ‘there are thoughts’." Russell adds that "the word ‘I’ is grammatically convenient, but does not describe a datum." (1945, 567) Accordingly, "there is pain" and "I am in pain" have different contents, and Descartes is entitled only to the former.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever looked at a dollar bill man?
there’s some creepy shit going on on a dollar bill man…and its green too!
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jun 3, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm referring to the way the phrase is used in comments like this:
And personally, I love the fact that people affiliated with the UFC don’t have a short leash wrt what they say when talking to fans, let them speak freely. Everyone in the world talks like that, so why pretend that we dont? This country is too damn sensitive. In closing…everyone who is on here saying they are standing up for women’s honor and respect…you sound like a bunch of dorks. Good day.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/6/2/2203553/joe-rogan-rampage-jackson-maggie-hendricks#68707377
The “real people” excuse for Joe’s language is one of the most common I’ve heard on this blog (during f*g-gate, for example) as to why Joe should get a pass for spewing hateful language.
I'm willing to accept that Rogan is a male chauvinist, but what do think will happen here?
Dana White parks his car in the same garage regarding his sensitivities toward the fairer sex, particularly reporters.
Rogan will not be fired for his language. Neither will Rampage for his motor boating.
They help put asses in seats, and that’s the bottom line for DW.
When I think about professional sports and sport journalism in general, there are plenty of cases of intimidation and disrespect toward reporters.
Guys like Albert Belle, Rex Ryan, The Big Tuna and Bobby Knight have been far more insulting to reporters in person, while the cameras rolled. Nobody weeps for the subjects of their derision. Why weep for Maggie?
She’s a grown woman, who has a great gig covering a sport she enjoys. So Rogan showed himself to be an ass on the internet. I’m doing the same thing right now.
MMA is not worse than other sports. The MMA blogosphere just has a chip on it’s shoulder about mainstream acceptance.
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin
I’m upset about this one because MMA is the sport I pay the most attention to. I’m a little worried about the “mainstream acceptance” thing, I’m more bothered by the sexism on its face. There does, however, seem to be a peculiar tendency to link the violence of MMA to excuses as to why this language is acceptable, which is why I made my point specific to MMA. You’re right on DFW being in the same boat as Rogan, and that bothers me too.
Oh also, this above.
dont be so sensitive
i say worse shit than that every day of my life…
im sick of the double standard for TV personalities… TV is not a seperate universe from the real world… it IS the real world… so i dont care about being PC, or proper, or whatever….
I appreciate REAL people on fake ass TV nowadays
C*NTY FTW!
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/6/3/2204817/ufc-joe-rogan-apologizes-on-the-underground#68759110
(I’m being sarcastic when I say “real people” talk this way and that’s why it’s okay for Joe to do it. Do you get it? It’s ok if you don’t.)
Oh I think I understand
But maybe I’m not “real” enough to. To your point your whole post was sarcastic trying to be condescending,
*"Real people" refers exclusively to the small circle of people I choose to interact with on a regular basisthis was not sarcastic. I understand and appreciate your point of view weather I agree with it or not no you should be a little more accepting.
"Whether". You want to use "whether".
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You're welcome.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I think I understand
But maybe I’m not "real" enough to. To your point your whole post was sarcastic trying to be condescending,
Yes, it was. I find that view to be very condescending, and it tends to be said in a very condescending manner. I was responding in kind. Sue me for not being even-tempered enough to answer bullshit like Dot Scherer’s above without getting upset about it.
this was not sarcastic. I understand and appreciate your point of view weather I agree with it or not no you should be a little more accepting.No, the sarcasm was in reference to my earlier post above (the wine and cheese one). The two below it were not sarcastic, and were instead intended to explain what I meant by “real people.” My point of view is that all people all “real” people, which is why that argument makes me so upset. It’s constraining the definition of who counts as “real” by ignoring and discounting as valuable (or even human) anyone who is upset by Rogan’s language. You’re telling me I should be accepting of that viewpoint? Acceptance of bigotry and exclusion does not fall under “tolerance” for me.
I will respond in kind,
We are all real. Everybody on this blog is. You should absolutely not accept anybody else’s opinion. I do disagree that any of the comments reflect bigotry and exclusion.
I will respond in kind, We are all real. Everybody on this blog is.
Okay, cool, on the same page there…
You should absolutely not accept anybody else’s opinion. I do disagree that any of the comments reflect bigotry and exclusion.Here’s where I’m confused. I gave you examples of (and ridiculed through sarcasm) an exclusionary definition of “real” people, ie: “people who use language like I use language are ‘real’ people, and that’s how ‘real’ people talk. Like Joe Rogan.”
How is that not discriminatory or exclusive?
You read too much into the term "real"
is used wrongly and I don’t think the author meant it in discriminatory way. I just think the implication is that people talk freely without holding their tongues when they feel comfortable in their environment and not under a microscope.
I disagree.
I think language is incredibly important and provides a window into how someone really feels about the world. At the minimum, the statements above apply that politeness or taking someone’s feelings into account when speaking is “fake” as opposed to “real.” That sentiment irks me.
No.
The lesson is that it’s wiser to criticise, make fun of, or degrade people without using politically charged terms.
'No matter what your ideology may be, once you believe you are in the possession of some infallible truth, you become a combatant in a religious war."
...
The people who tend to say this kind of thing are racists.
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by Chris Barton on Jun 3, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Not completely true
Some are homophobes and misogynists
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe he just likes to play the victim.
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Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten
I'm not saying they're mutually exclusive.
Bolts from the Blue // "I eat cereal out of a giant novelty wine glass because it makes me feel fancy." - Britney Wade
Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten
Only if you redefine "racist" to mean someone who doesn't accept that anyone deserves special treatment.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by zzwab on Jun 3, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
my opinion
Because noone asked for it, is get rid of Joe. Zuffa wants UFC/MMA to be respected like the NFL or NBA? I personally don’t think Joe is helping. Replace Joe with Bas. It’d make the shows way easier to listen to. And replace Mike with Randy. And give uncle Dana some lessons on pr since he obviously isn’t going anywhere.
by El_Ee_Oh on Jun 3, 2011 2:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Srsly
2011. Can we have an ex-fighter or trainer do color instead of a stand-up comic? Randy is awesome. Get Randy and Jens. Jens will stir things up without being an idiot.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve got nothing against Jens… I just like Bas more. Actually, I’ve got nothing against Joe, either. There’s just a whole lotta fighter preference coming outta that booth when he’s in it.
by El_Ee_Oh on Jun 3, 2011 3:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I would totally take Bas …
… if he did old-school PRIDE style less-sizzle-more-steak commentary, instead of the current more-sizzle-less-steak brand he’s peddling on HDNet.
If he goes back to PRIDE El Guapo, I’m there.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I love the thought of the same internet that has propelled Perez Hilton to an insane level of celebrity is being regarded as a Meritocracy. Delightful!
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
Perez Hilton gives people what they want.
Bolts from the Blue // "I eat cereal out of a giant novelty wine glass because it makes me feel fancy." - Britney Wade
Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten
In a way, so did Joe Rogan
You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?
Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.
Sad but true.
Bolts from the Blue // "I eat cereal out of a giant novelty wine glass because it makes me feel fancy." - Britney Wade
Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten
This has been one of the strangest weeks to be an MMA fan with an internet connection. I might quit going to MMA news sites and switch to gymnastics or yoga web pages where commenters might not be so prissy
If you think it'll help you break the habit I'd be happy to ban you from commenting here.
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Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten
by Richard Wade on Jun 3, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Off the clock
As far as I’m concerned, Joe Rogan can say whatever he wants when he’s off the clock. I’m not sure why he should be held to a higher standard than anyone else simpy because he does some commentating during fights.
He can say whatever he wants
And we can decide if we want to find it offensive and call for his ouster.
He has his freedoms and we have ours.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If you are a public figure
there is no “off the clock”.
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"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
"A samurai would bite your cock off if you tried that shit on the battlefield." - Kid Nate
I guess. That sucks though. And I know he gets compensated well for his work, but it still sucks that he loses the right to say whatever he wants simply because we see his face on TV.
He totally has the right to say what he wants
but then he can’t complain about getting pilloried when he says something wildly inappropriate in relation to his public persona. In fact, that’s the same argument he makes against Maggie: she’s a public figure, so she will be subject to criticism, some of it pointed. And, apparently, openly misogynistic.
This comment is intended for entertainment purposes only. Any resemblence to the actual truth is entirely coincidental.
by JoshSBooks on Jun 3, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He totally has the right to say what he wants but then he can’t complain about getting pilloried when he says something wildly inappropriate in relation to his public persona.
Nail. Head. You hit it.
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"Don’t quote old fucks to me" – Brent Brookhouse
"A samurai would bite your cock off if you tried that shit on the battlefield." - Kid Nate
The problem is that he is a representative of the UFC. He can say whatever he wants, UNTIL he’s discussing people who he has a professional relationship (even a loose, indirect one) with and doing it in public.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 3, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he’s fair game, as is anyone. But just because he works for the UFC doesn’t make him the official spokesperson of the UFC and that everything he says represents the views of the UFC. He’s got his own opinions, and when asked for them, he’ll give them. Heck, even when not asked for them, he’ll give them anyways.
You know, I really don’t care what Joe Rogan says as it pertains to me. People will argue over whether he was in the right or in the wrong and everyone will have a different opinion. Personally, I thought it was distasteful and it gives me the impression that Joe Rogan does not really respect women, but that’s just my view and Joe Rogan means nothing to my life or to my happiness.
However, why post it in the first place? Maybe he does believe that everyone needs to lighten up and not be offended by what he wrote, but why even do it? Why alienate another potential audience in a growing sport? The people who support him are already fans – they’re not going to become fans because they think Joe is so damn correct about this one. But, the people who think he’s wrong are possibly going to turn away from the sport or maybe never become fans at all. I don’t get why he goes out of his way to alienate people. It just seems stupid.
Honey badger don't care.
I think if there's one thing to learn from this, it's that Joe Rogan is not a particularly bright.
I used to condemn him for this kind of stuff and I still don’t like it, but I think it’s a function of Rogan simply not being very smart. It’s not that he’s mean spirited, he simply doesn’t understand things very well. It’s pretty consistent with his personality.
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by pdl on Jun 3, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
He thinks the moon landing was faked.
so, ‘not particularly bright’ doesn’t begin to cover it.
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by some schmuck in texas on Jun 3, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's what I meant by consistent.
He’s a 9-11 truther constantly flaunts his drug addiction abuse habits. He just isn’t a very smart person and doesn’t really understand a lot of things. That obviously doesn’t excuse him from criticism but I also don’t think it’s realistic to expect him to apologize when he’s too dim to understand he did anything wrong.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jun 3, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Jimmy Smith does really well at Bellator
although the ‘technique’ segments where he’s ordering the ring girls to grapple are creepy as hell.
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by some schmuck in texas on Jun 3, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
smart enough
To be a successful comedian who has hosted his own show, is a commentator for a very successful organization, and have a steady stream of income from side projects.
So I don’t think you’re in a position to judge his intelligence. Especially when his use of “drugs” doesn’t keep him from living a productive, successful life.
by Austin Martin on Jun 3, 2011 3:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he says a lot of dumb shit on his podcast
doesn’t mean he’s an idiot, per say
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
Nah, Joe is smart.
He obviously has a great mind for analysis. But he’s also very opinionated and seemingly doesn’t understand other people all that well.
What Joe lacks isn’t intelligence, it’s intuition.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 3, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
how is saying cunty
Equivalent to going to a NAACP meeting and shouting slurs?
by Austin Martin on Jun 3, 2011 2:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It’s not just “saying cunty.” It’s saying it in regards to a female member of the media.
And they’re both wildly inappropriate.
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I flatly deny that to whim he is sopeaking is at all relevant.
The word’s meaning doesn’t change based on who’s listening.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Context is the whole crux of the issue. I’d be a hypocrite if I condemned Joe Rogan for using the word “cunt.” I’ve used it before. I’ll probably use it again.
If you want to argue that it doesn’t matter whether Joe directed it at Maggie Hendricks or Mark Hendricks, I agree. Joe shouldn’t be using that word in reference to any member of the media, male or female.
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He's using the Times as some sort of gold standard?
Has he ever read Thomas Friedman’s drivel?
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
yes
It’s like he reaches into a grab bag of cliches, throws them at his computer, and calls it an article
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
jeez, reading this comment section...
I haven’t been around this many “cunts” since I went to see the Falcons play at Lincoln Financial…
nyuk nyuk nyuk
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
Wow. Sometimes I am absolutely EMBARRASSED to be an MMA fan.
The very fact that some people here are defending Joe Rogan just proves how ridiculous MMA can be. In what world is degrading and insulting another human being okay? Have people no empathy? Imagine Joe calling your sister or your mother a cunt. C’mon guys. Seriously.
Cmon Pud, that’s a tad ridiculous.
by Austin Martin on Jun 3, 2011 2:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am even more embarrassed that you ARE an mma fan
ohhhhh the humanity! one “human being” insulted another! ggaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhkk!
what world do YOU live in where that sort of thing DOESN’T happen?? lemme guess, you’re also in favor of not keeping score in tee ball games and banning dodgeball from school recess? do you want the next generation to grow up to be completely unprepared for the s**t storm that is adult life?
how is it you’re offended by a little harmless namecalling but have no problem with guys trying to ram their fists through one another’s faces? if your answer is “because one’s a fair fight”, then pat yourself on the back and accept your award for “benign sexism”. i’m sure this woman, whoever she is, is more than capable of defending herself from whatever slurs Rogan wants to throw at her without needing to be patronized by you.
Wow.
Look, what Joe says isn’t that offensive to me. I don’t give a shit about him. He’s not even that funny. What I don’t like is this underlying sense of misogyny, homophobia, and whatever other mysanthropic insecure, alpha-male wannabe bullshit that is tied to MMA. I mean, it’s kinda my fault since I know what MMA is about and the fandom is like. It’s the price of admission. I love MMA, but I hate almost everything else about it. When Rogan does stuff like this, it’s not just about one reporter. It’s about the overall image of MMA, and it will forever be considered a niche sport because of it. I’m sure some people are fine with that, but I’m not. tired of defending MMA from people who think it’s just a bunch of cavemen that watch it. Pretty tough to do when you have Rogan making caveman remarks.
by pud333 on Jun 3, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
That isn't why MMA will never be mainstream.
MMA will never be mainstream because 2 men go into an enclosed space and beat the fuck out of each other. Not everyone enjoys that.
This kind of stuff does limit the scope MMA can reach, though. I consider myself a fan who likes MMA for the strategy, the drama, the battle of wills… not the machismo and bravado that accompanies it, but probably never would’ve gotten into it if I hadn’t been properly introduced to it by my friends. One Fedor highlight video was all it took, but not everyone has a friend that wants to get them into it. Packaging the sport in a more classy way would for sure help it grow.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 3, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
MMA will never be mainstream because 2 men go into an enclosed space and beat the fuck out of each other. Not everyone enjoys that.
Yep. 100% agree. There is a natural ceiling to the growth of a combat sport. By its very nature, not everyone will be able to digest it.
What I should have said was, that behavior like Joe’s doesn’t help the growth of MMA. I worded it wrong. Apologies about that. But my general opinion with regards to Joe’s poor choice of words still stands.
how the hell did this get rec'd???
some people baffle me.
pud, you’ll have to explain to me where the misogyny in Rogan’s statement is, because it seems to me he’s treating the female writer who was in his crosshairs to the exact same standard he would treat a man. that’s the polar OPPOSITE of misogyny or sexism. it is YOUR position that calls for her coddling that is at the very least sexist and condescending.
I’m thinking perhaps you are misconstruing the word “cunt” as only being attributable to a female. I assure you it is not. look at how the british use it; go watch Trainspotting. their usage of “cunt” has pretty much crossed over to our side of the pond. there’s also a useage that simply means “bitchy and snarky”, which is exactly how Rogan meant it, and could very easily be used to describe a man.
why do you let petty offenses like this bother you so much? I will never understand how people with such delicate feelings can be fans of the toughest sport in the world.
I don't think you understand just how harmful a word like this can be.
We’re not in Britain and neither is Joe. “Cunt” is a specific word geared towards women. It’s a loaded word that involves a woman’s genitals, sexuality, etc. all in a demeaning way to women. Look up the word in a dictionary, and there is inevitably a reference to women, and it being disparaging.
Definition of CUNT
1 usually obscene : the female genital organs; also : sexual intercourse with a woman
2 usually disparaging & obscene : woman
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cunt
It’s one thing to call her an idiot, or a shitty writer, or crazy. It’s another to call her a cunt. I know in popular culture there are other ways to use the word, but Joe is not an idiot. He chose those words specifically as a means to describe her and his contempt for her. The fact that the word has other uses gives Joe an out should an apology be neccessary. Do I know for certain he meant it the way I think he did? No. I don’t read minds. But he shouldn’t have said it, considering his position. Let’s put it this way: I would react much more harshly if someone called my girlfriend a cunt, than if they called her stupid.
Joe needs to shut the fuck up sometimes.
I can't get on board with this "barrier to entry" thought process
When the future of television is not on terrestrial, cable or satellite TV, but of live and on demand Internet TV. When more and more households pick up a Roku box or something similar, the stuffy shirt dinosaurs at network and cable television who make all the decisions are going to be extinct.
would you call your country a cunt?
Then don’t call your fraternity a frat!
by Austin Martin on Jun 3, 2011 2:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree entirely with Joe, here.
Words mean what they mean, and offense is entirely immaial. Moreover, if there was a misunderstanding he actually came back and defined the word for us so wed understand him.
Now, with his new definition in hand, we can interpret his remarks correctly.
I don’t think it matters what the venue is. On the comedy stage or behind the UFC microphone, he’s still speaking the same language. The words’ meanings don’t change.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
You can't just redefine words for other people like that
If I am looking for Richie and asking why he did Bobby Lupo, I can’t say to his brother “He’s a chicken-shit fucking pussy asshole” and then not understand why he is upset. To 99.9% of the English-speaking population, “chicken-shit fucking pussy asshole” is an extremely offensive term.
I can’t say “Oh, that actually means he is slightly disagreeable but has a lot of fine qualities” after the fact, as though me redefining it makes it ok.
BOOSH
Yes you can.
If your listener is a reasonable person, you can do that very thing.
He might think you’re an idiot for using the words incorrectly, but there’s no longer any reason to be offended by them.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
You have solved social ills!
Let everyone know from this day forward, that if people are offended by words it is totally their fault, and people can just change the meaning of words on a whim.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Jun 4, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is just absurd logic.
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Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten
i'm a big rogan fan
and i tend to agree with everything he said about hendricks
but hes gotta understand the world we live in a bit better, people can and will get offended at anything these days. if it can possibly be viewed as offensive, you can bet your ass theres someone somewhere raising a stink about it.
its absolutely stupid, but so are people and thats the fucking world we live in
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
everybody calm down and watch t his federer-djokovic match
amazing tennis
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that’s a very fine idea.
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by some schmuck in texas on Jun 3, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
whose winning?
im at work and legitametly interested in it
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
federer won first two sets, djoker the third, and now its 4 4 i nthe fourth set.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
Huge
If he ends Djoko’s streak.
And here I am at work like a sucker.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
im stunned people were counting him outta this
i mean hes fucking federer
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Short memories
Motherfuckers have them.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Watching an “amazing” tennis match is a step above watching an “interesting” baseball game. Judge Judy must be off today.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
You are just absolutely communist.
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
I’m just not big into sports where the worst injury you can get is a hang nail.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
Tennis is gangsta.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl-2uVhNLJI
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
tell that to buster posey
or Roy Oswalt
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
You've not see a baseball player shatter his tibia by fouling a ball into it?
Jermaine Dye – Oct 14, 2001
You’ve not seen two players dive into each other at a dead run, both suffering grade II+/III concussions?
Mike Cameron and Carlos Beltran – Aug 11, 2005
I can’t speak to tennis injuries, but baseball features some pretty nasty ones.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
I took too long looking up the dates.
I even found video for the Cameron Beltran collision, but I don’t recommend watching it.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
track and field? marathon running?
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
The first guy to run a marathon died...
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not the brightest man in my book. To me, dying from running long distances while nothing is chasing you is pretty stupid.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
Pheidippides
The traditional story relates that Pheidippides (530 BC–490 BC), an Athenian herald, was sent to Sparta to request help when the Persians landed at Marathon, Greece. He ran 240 km (150 miles) in two days. He then ran the 40 km (25 miles) from the battlefield near Marathon to Athens to announce the Greek victory over Persia in the Battle of Marathon (490 BC) with the word “Νενικήκαμεν” (Nenikékamen, “We have won”) and collapsed and died on the spot from exhaustion.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh well he wasn’t running a marathon. That’s just where the name of the game came from. I stand firm in my stance though; if you die from running long distances when nothing’s chasing you then I don’t think you’re bright.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
It was meant tongue-in-cheek initailly.
Of course, one can argue that participation in a spot that all-but-guarantees brain damage isn’t too bright, either.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Brining up more boring sports will not help the argument
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17ImXAD_tig
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
The horror! A sprained ankle! His life will never be the same.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
its not a hangnail
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
neither was james blakes’ broken neck or chosnokov’s twice-broken leg.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
How do you break your neck in tennis? Honest question.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
he was going for a ball and hit the net post.
i’ve found some more pretty horrifying stuff actually… theres a really gnarly video of mary pierce rupturing her acl and hten lying on the court screaming in pain. brutal.
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
Tennis injuries suck.
Bolts from the Blue // "I eat cereal out of a giant novelty wine glass because it makes me feel fancy." - Britney Wade
Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten
you'd be surprised
tennis can get pretty intense
the matches are far too long, but it can be a real exciting sport
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
It’s not for me, but I’m mostly just trolling.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
i noticed
so anyway the saints suck
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
by milk72 on Jun 3, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is way more fun than I thought it would be BTW
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
seriously i didnt think any mma fans liked tennis
didnt see that one coming
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Watch the 2008 Wimbledon final between Federer & Nadal.
One of the greatest games in any sport.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a book about it
By the same guy who wrote the Miletich book:


by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Federer beat Djokovich a few hours ago
Great match, went to tie break, Federer broke Djokovich’s serve and ended up acing the final point he needed, ending Djokovich’s 40 something match win streak.
That match was amazing.
I even got to take a nap in the middle of it and didn’t miss anything!
Honey badger don't care.
Federer is a once-in-a-generation athlete.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I played tennis in HS and JC
I got burnt out for a while (played since I was 6 or 7) but I still LOVE watching it.
BOOSH
Agreed.
I’ve been to a few pro matches and they were really intense. They were close and I was literally on the edge of my seat. It was so much more fun than I expected it to be. And, it made me starting playing and tennis is hard!
Honey badger don't care.
agreed on baseball though
only sport you can play and be out of shape….
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
That’s not true. Most pro baseball players are incredibly athletic.
You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?
Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.
absolutely
most are, but some arent
i mean cmon, mo vaughn?
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Well in any sport you can find some.
Roy Nelson, Tim Sylvia.
You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?
Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.
dont do that, your gonna kill my poorly thought out argument
but anyway at least the fat dudes get their asses kicked in mma, in baseball they can only strike out
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
gotta have the hand-eye
I wouldn’t doubt people from a lot of other sports would ay baseball if they could hit a 95 mph fastball. Plus, baseball has the most money and best contracts. Look at carl crawford- probably could play pro football because he’s a freak athlete, but he can hit too, so he’s making 120 million guaranteed.
by Austin Martin on Jun 3, 2011 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Baseball is different from any other sport, very different. For instance, in most sports you score points or goals; in baseball you score runs. In most sports the ball, or object, is put in play by the offensive team; in baseball the defensive team puts the ball in play, and only the defense is allowed to touch the ball. In fact, in baseball if an offensive player touches the ball intentionally, he’s out; sometimes unintentionally, he’s out.
Also: in football,basketball, soccer, volleyball, and all sports played with a ball, you score with the ball and in baseball the ball prevents you from scoring.
In most sports the team is run by a coach; in baseball the team is run by a manager. And only in baseball does the manager or coach wear the same clothing the players do. If you’d ever seen John Madden in his Oakland Raiders uniform,you’d know the reason for this custom.
Now, I’ve mentioned football. Baseball & football are the two most popular spectator sports in this country. And as such, it seems they ought to be able to tell us something about ourselves and our values.
I enjoy comparing baseball and football:
Baseball is a nineteenth-century pastoral game.
Football is a twentieth-century technological struggle.
Baseball is played on a diamond, in a park.The baseball park!
Football is played on a gridiron, in a stadium, sometimes called Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium.
Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life.
Football begins in the fall, when everything’s dying.
In football you wear a helmet.
In baseball you wear a cap.
Football is concerned with downs – what down is it?
Baseball is concerned with ups – who’s up?
In football you receive a penalty.
In baseball you make an error.
In football the specialist comes in to kick.
In baseball the specialist comes in to relieve somebody.
Football has hitting, clipping, spearing, piling on, personal fouls, late hitting and unnecessary roughness.
Baseball has the sacrifice.
Football is played in any kind of weather: rain, snow, sleet, hail, fog…
In baseball, if it rains, we don’t go out to play.
Baseball has the seventh inning stretch.
Football has the two minute warning.
Baseball has no time limit: we don’t know when it’s gonna end – might have extra innings.
Football is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we’ve got to go to sudden death.
In baseball, during the game, in the stands, there’s kind of a picnic feeling; emotions may run high or low, but there’s not too much unpleasantness.
In football, during the game in the stands, you can be sure that at least twenty-seven times you’re capable of taking the life of a fellow human being.
And finally, the objectives of the two games are completely different:
In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! – I hope I’ll be safe at home!
-George Carlin (RIP)
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
by DayGeaux on Jun 3, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Tennis is one of the most grueling sports around. Respect.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome to watch too.
One of my favorite sports to play as well.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Jun 3, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I would like to play it too ...
… if my wife wasn’t better than me at it. Never taken a set off her, let alone a match.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
“Tennis is the combination of chess and boxing.” – DFW
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
is that from Wallace’s piece on Federer in the Times? one of the best sports pieces I’ve ever read
Tune every heart and every voice,
Bid every care withdraw;
Let all with one accord rejoice,
In praise of Old Nassau.
In praise of Old Nassau we sing,
Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Our hearts will give while we shall live,
Three cheers for Old Nassau.
No, from "Infinite Jest"
Obviously I paraphrased. Whole thing is:
The real tennis was no more reducible to delimited factors or probability cuves than chess or boxing, the two games of which it’s a hybrid.
Federer/Times profile was also brilliant, though.
RIP, you crazy diamond.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I like his short works...
…but there doesn’t seem to be enough payoff to IJ to make me want to read it.
(Coming from a Pynchon fan, no less).
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a trial …
… but I have never regretted the time I spent on it.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I started...
The Pale King and had to put that shit down.
I forgot how mentally exhausting his novels are.
by Sergio Hernandez on Jun 3, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's enough to make you want to kill yourself.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
What
no one liked his incredibly dense unfinished novel on the nature and value of boredom?
I totally agree that he’s a slog in his longer works, but well worth the effort.
And I’ll admit that I took three runs at Infinite Jest before I got through it. I found that taking it out of the bathroom made all the difference.
This comment is intended for entertainment purposes only. Any resemblence to the actual truth is entirely coincidental.
The joke is that DFW hanged himself.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I realized that as I hit “post.” But I figured that my ignorance would be excused as just a drop in vast pool belonging to someone who had tried to take DFW on as bathroom reading.
This comment is intended for entertainment purposes only. Any resemblence to the actual truth is entirely coincidental.
Ah. Carry on.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
pardon the ignorance, but DFW?
"It is unlikely that anyone has ever read Nietzsche or Derrida and has been inspired to open a soup kitchen"
I believe it’s “Dana FUCKING White”
You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?
Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.
No,
I did not quote Dana White in reference to tennis.
And Dana’s acronym is BLAF, anyway.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
David Foster Wallace.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love baseball.
It’s the sport with the most math in it.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
diffrent strokes dude
i think that only makes it worse
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
No - math Olympiad does!
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll concede that, but the gap isn't very big.
Here’s a formula for calculating wOBA (weighted on base average):
(0.72xNIBB + 0.75xHBP + 0.90×1B + 0.92xRBOE + 1.24×2B + 1.56×3B + 1.95xHR) / PA
NIBB is unintentional walks
HBP is hit batsman
1B is singles
RBOE is reached base on an error
2B is doubles
3B is triples
HR is homerun
Each is weighted by its empirically determined contribution to run scoring.
Also, I enjoy the pace of the game.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Jun 3, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I tried to get into sabermetrics once...
…but stopped once I realized I’d have to follow baseball. The pacing is all wrong for me. Too slow and stops & starts.
I see no grace or beauty to the game.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
wOBA rec
The Book was fantastic.
Bolts from the Blue // "I eat cereal out of a giant novelty wine glass because it makes me feel fancy." - Britney Wade
Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten
my favorite part of this article
“However, the game changes when we enter the world of fight sport and interacting with the media. Joe, whether he wants to admit it or not, acts as a representative of the UFC. He, behind Dana White, is arguably the most visible face of the organization”
yea, because dana white is so classy on the mic….
everything dana white says is a complete lie
further down the spiral of lameness
this article is.
when did the mma press/fans become such a bunch of pussified nancy-boys that Rogan can’t call a snarky writer “cunty” without the world coming to an end?
let’s take a look at something I think a lot of people have missed:
But again, you have to remain cognizant of your environment. I’m not going to scream slurs at a NAACP meeting, and I’m not going to demean female members of the media with words like “c*nty” or “bitchy.”
see that word “female” in there? why is it there, unless the writer feels that women need to be treated to a different standard…? do female writers in mma need to be treated with kid gloves? are they not adult enough to be called snarky/bitchy/cunty without sundry prince valiants rushing to their rescue? you know there’s a word for such attitudes. it’s called “sexism”. that’s right, it cuts both ways. if “minorities” demand to be treated as equals, with that comes the opportunity to be called mean things by other people. considering that’s it’s entirely appropriate to call a snarky male writer “cunty”, then it is also entirely appropriate to call a female writer the same thing, if we’re going to treat everyone by the same standard.
if I was Joe Rogan, instead of apologizing, I’d have called all these self-righteous people who demanded an apology “cunty bitches” as well.
by lockflow33 on Jun 3, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Why is minorities in quotes?
You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?
Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.
because women make up 50% of the population, yet they’re considered a minority. and in this particular case, the object of (supposed) derision is a woman.
Depends on the population
Women make up significantly less than 50% of the news/entertainment media. They have a minority voice.
Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.
“depends on the population” is a completely fallacious argument in this case. we’re talking about, at the very least, american society, in which women and men are each roughly 50%. you do realize that the woman in question actually exists outside of her job as an mma sports writer, right? that she has interactions with the rest of society too, right? and that in those myriad interactions, she’s probably had more than a couple that were confrontational and has, over her lifetime, learned how to deal with them, right? that being the case, wouldn’t you say she ought to be equiped to handle an aggressive or otherwise unpleasant detractor in an any argument, anywhere? it is an absolutely STUPID contention that because she is a “minority” in her chosen field that she needs special protections from name calling. can you be any more condescending?? seriously. I would be absolutely livid if I were a female and somebody suggested I needed coddling because I was a “minority” in my chosen field. in your effort to be a prince valiant, you reveal your latent sexism.
all of this is irrelevant anyway since we’re really talking about equality. if one actually believes that women and men are just as capable as one another in vocations such as writing, debate, etc., then neither sex should need to be treated with kid gloves. so being a “minority within a vocational field” doesn’t mean squat.
by lockflow33 on Jun 3, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t agree with what you consider a minority (in the sense that I believe women are a minority group politically and economically) and there is no (supposed) derision. He was ridiculing a reporter for what she wrote. That is derision.
You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?
Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.
Sociologically, a minority is a group without access to power or resources.
In South Africa, whites were a numerical minority, but controlled the state, rendering the blacks the minority.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a stupid definition.
Mathemetically, a minority is a group that makes up less than half of a population.
Let’s just add that to the list of reasons why I hate sociology as a discipline (the first being that it studies “society”, which I don’t think exists).
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Neither definitions are "stupid"
They’re both relevant to their own contexts.
'No matter what your ideology may be, once you believe you are in the possession of some infallible truth, you become a combatant in a religious war."
That’s a stupid definition.
Mathemetically, a minority is a group that makes up less than half of a population.
Let’s just add that to the list of reasons why I hate sociology as a discipline (the first being that it studies "society", which I don’t think exists).
So what I’m getting from this is that we should use math to study society, which doesn’t exist. Hey, can you English this physics problem for me?

by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No. We shouldn't study society, because it's not real, so it's actually impossible to study it.
We should study the individuals. They actually exist. Individuals exist. Groups do not.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
You can’t prove any of that
You retired from kick boxing in 2006. If you had to do it all over again, would you have tried fighting in MMA?
Jean-Charles Skarbowsky: No.
No, but believing the opposite is unscientific.
Occam’s Razor. A group is an extra level of complexity beyond its component parts. ince we can describe the behaviour of a group simply through a description of those parts, there’s no need to posit the existence of a group.
Sociology is unscientific.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
What do you collectives of individuals that share a similar culture and/or geography?
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
We can call them whatever we like.
Groups exist in name only. Hence the name of this position: nominalism.
If they don’t exist, then they can’t exhibit characteristics, and thus there’s nothign to study.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
The problem with Rogan is
The uproar is strictly based on his color commentary position. Given how anti-corporate and anti-establishment he is I don’t see how he is capable of restraining even himself for saying these things.
If he was just a huge MMA fan, stand-up comedian, and podcast host, then this would not even make a dent in the front pages of BE.
But because he’s the co-commentator in the premiere organization in MMA right now he is just incapable of not crossing the line.
Could you imagine if John Madden used the word “c*nty” on a forum or on a podcast? That’s what Rogan needs to understand but he won’t.
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Even Kevin Iole is now criticizing the UFC over this:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-iole_ufc_sexual_harrassment_060311
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:34 PM EDT reply actions
When your company press man is critizing you, there might be something to it…
by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow...
When Bryant told Jackson that she is partly of Jamaican descent, he responded by saying, "Well, Jamaican me horny."
Apparently that’s the point where everyone was supposed to yuk it up and talk about what a funny guy old "Rampage" is. Except, it wasn’t funny, because it was the dictionary definition of sexual harassment. Instead of laughing, we should have been outraged.
Bryant brushed it off and insisted she wasn’t bothered by it but the excuse that it was just "Rampage being Rampage" doesn’t cut it. Nor does it matter how Bryant felt…
I did yuk it up, and I did find it funny. So did the reporter who, according to Lole, should have been outraged. Where does this guy get off?
What ground does he have to stand on when the alleged “victim” seems to have gotten nothing more than a kick out of “Rampage being Rampage”.
I’m kind of baffled by this.
Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.
by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
What about the other reporters that Rampage has harassed?
They expressed that they didn’t like it, so that would be, by your definition, harassment.
Besides, does it matter if she wasn’t bothered? Should all women who interview have to agree to his behavior? Shouldn’t we create an environment where we don’t need the stipulation that you must accept being harassed to interview someone?
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
We're not talking about past interviews.
We’re talking about this instance, so lets keep it at this instance.
In this instance, the reporter found it funny, probably even charming in a way. She was giggling, she was clearly enjoying Rampages company, and did not appear to be uncomfortable at any time during the interview. She stated as much publicly later on.
So again I ask, why should this cause outrage? Why should I be outraged that Rampage was being his affable light-hearted self?
And more importantly, why if there is clearly no victim must there be a crime?
Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.
by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You find it funny, I find it creepy.
Is the bar for interviewing Rampage set at being willing to let him act like a letch? If she feels it’s OK, she’s enabling him to do it to the next female reporter.
Of course there can be a crime without a victim – drunk driving. You don’t have to actually hit anyone for it to be a crime.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick question
You might know the answer, because I honestly don’t…
Does Rampage have a contractual obligation to do these sorts of interviews?
Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.
by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
No clue.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The arguments have already been made about this. It comes down to this though.
- Even if she was offended, there is a large question mark on whether or not she would admit to it. Doing so would essentially cause her to become a leper amongst many in the MMA community and there goes her career. We’ve seen it happen already with a victim of Rampage. The victim in his infamous dry humping incident came out and stated that she was upset about it and now is no longer covering MMA…
- Even if she wasn’t offended, it does nothing to change the fact that it was sexual harassment and that it should be addressed. Her not being offended by it does not mean that it should be ok, it just means she herself was not offended but the next lady who it happened to could be quite so. It’s a bad mark on the company and the sport that it is allowed.
by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you watch the video?
Giggling. Laughing.
That’s what the reporter was doing.
Far from uncomfortable, and far from looking harrassed.
Rampage was having fun, and so was she. It was an entertaining interview, everyone was winning until it became something more than it actually was.
Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.
by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Laughter often is a sign of a person being uncomfortable. I’m not saying it was here, I’m just saying that argument by itself is flawed. Regardless, her being offended or not still doesn’t excuse it as allowable behavior. It is still something that he should not be doing on company time and in general should not be doing to women he barely knows unless he knows for a fact that would consider it fun and games.
You are arguing that it wasn’t wrong because she didn’t mind. The problem is that Rampage did not know that she would or wouldn’t mind and did it anyways…
by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup.
That is exactly my argument.
In this instance, Rampage was being Rampage, and the female reporter got a kick out of it.
That’s all that happened, and I’m not outraged. Nor do I think I should be.
Clearly you are, and in that, we disagree.
Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.
by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
First off, I’m not outraged I’m sad that people can’t understand why this is bad in general and in specific bad for the sport.
Secondly, maybe it’s time to realize that Rampage being Rampage isn’t a good thing and to quit excusing it. It wouldn’t be excused in any other sport and it wouldn’t be excused if he did it randomly on the street. Somehow though, it’s being excused because he is a MMA fighter…
by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm excusing it
Because if the person that “should” have been offended, wasn’t offended, than why the hell should I be?
If she came out and said “Rampage’s sense of humor made me uncomfortable, and I would sooner be hung from my toes than stand in the same room with him again” I would certainly react differently.
But if there is no damsel in distress, there’s no need for a knight in shining armor. If there’s no fire, than don’t pull the alarm. If the woman thought Rampage was charming, and even went so far as to say she would take a run at him if she were single, than damn…let the guy flirt with the reporter.
Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.
by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You are excusing it while also realizing that by her being offended, it could affect her career. You are excusing it while realizing that people who have been offended by him, have been affected in their careers. There is good reason to question the truth when she says it was perfectly fine to her.
Regardless of that though, as has been said… It’s the actions themselves that are objectionable, not how she took them. It isn’t ok simply because she took no offense as the next woman who interviews Rampage could be by that exact same thing. It isn’t ok because it makes the viewer laugh. It isn’t ok. The end…
by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
To you.
That’s whats great about life, we can agree to disagree.
Even though you might hold your opinion in a higher regard than I hold mine, it doesn’t make it any more right or wrong. The end…
Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.
by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
What ground does he have to stand on when the alleged "victim" seems to have gotten nothing more than a kick out of "Rampage being Rampage".
Bryant stands to benefit from going along with Rampage’s antics. He’ll be more willing to talk to her on camera if she’s enabling his bullshit. But it’s to the detriment of every female reporter who isn’t willing to be humped or motorboated just to get his interview. They have a harder time doing their jobs if they won’t be his plaything.
So just because Bryant had fun doesn’t mean that there wasn’t real harm done to other female MMA reporters, some of whom might be Iole’s friends. I’d be pissed too if I had a female friend reporting MMA, knowing that Rampage thinks it’s fun to treat her peers this way.
That’s why it’s still harassment even if Bryant was okay with it. And why Iole can get mad about it if he wants to.
Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.
Lole can get mad about it all he wants.
It’s a fine position totake, especially when one of your colleagues is taking a beating from Joe Rogan for taking a similar stance.
But that doesn’t change the fact that I still think his article was extreme, and think he’s an ass in this instance for telling me I should be outraged, and two sentances later telling me the “victims” opinion on the subject doesn’t matter.
Lyoto Machida will literally kick your teeth out.
by tito (eight and oh) on Jun 3, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what these comment threads would have looked like if there were more women commenting and participating.
With these attitudes, why should they?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 3, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
That is what my wife just said actually.
by Empty Thoughts on Jun 3, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, right.
I’m happy that enough commenters have been willing to patiently (and not-so-patiently) keep up the “no, this is not OK” side of the discussion. I just wonder if having more women here would have kept things more civil or if guys would have felt the need to try out some fancy words on them. Or if it would have proceeded more or less as it did.
Winner
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If we don’t want Toronto to have been the all-time height the sport will ever reach we need to attract more female and homosexual fans.
And friends, we are off to a shitty, shitty start.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If Rogan was a female
we wouldn’t even be having this debate…
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
Cunty was perfect...
Bitchy just a weak replacement.
Leave Joe Rogan alone, he’s not ambassador to the UN ffs.
Sterilise this great sport at your peril, bitches!
This is the FIGHT game, so ffs get after him. Finish him!
Yeah
We might end up endearing ourselves to larger audiences and being even bigger. The horror!
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If I were Joe, I’d just say fuck it and retire the ‘Joe Rogan’ screen name in favor of something like ‘Rubberguard RULZ’. If posting under his own name is going to get him skewered by the bloggers, I say start posting anonymously and starve the bastards. Same goes for Dana. Retire the ‘DFW’ moniker on the UG and just start posting under ‘Iheartpinkberry’.
Just for once
I’d like to see Joe Rogan criticizing a black writer by including words like “nigger” and “niggardly writings”.
Because, if cunty = bitchy = OK
And, fag = cowardly = OK
Then it follows that
Niggardly = measly = OK.
I mean, that’s his line of reasoning, right? People just need to get with the program, that’s all, and stop being so conscious about the unfairness of their situation.
by D Squared on Jun 3, 2011 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I agree with you...
But “niggardly” and the n-word are unrelated, they just sound similar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22
by gzl5000 on Jun 3, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're correct re: "niggardly"
But I’m just making a case based on someone’s superficial understanding of slurs and the its impact viz. our history and society.
You know there’s always that guy who goes: “you know, fag in England means a cigarette, so I don’t really see why someone should get so upset about that…”
And it drives me up the wall because that person just missed the whole fucking point. To him, it’s just an abstract concept. I can guarantee you someone like him most likely doesn’t have the experience of being singled out or marginalized because of who he is. He just comes from this insulated, privileged point of view. And the really sad thing is that he tries to not only justify his lack of understanding about why these terms and views affect people in REAL ways, but also defend the amorality of those who thrive off of using those hateful terms against specific people for the express purpose of hurting and diminishing them.
BTW, I’m not saying you’re that type of person.
Ahh.
I see what you mean, and I’m way with you on the f*g thing…people tried making that argument (and referencing South Park, which drove me nuts) during the Rogan-Rios thing, ignoring that Joe Rogan knew damn well what that word meant when he used it. I’m a little more on the fence about “niggardly”…for sure I can understand why it would be hurtful and offensive, and yes it’s a very poor word choice. Obscure, too. At the same time, it does have a legitimate and separate definition.
That’s quibbling over semantics on my end though. Joe Rogan is a more foulmouthed privilege denying dude in my opinion.
PC is killing freedom of speech
Why do people care so much what others say or think about them? I don’t give a shit what you call me. Cracker, asshole, dick, etc. who give a fuck? If anything just laugh it off and let it go. Getting pissed of and responding is feeding right into the person who said what they said in the first place. I know when I talk shit to someone and call them names 99% of the time I am doing it simply to piss them off and get a reaction. People need to get over it.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
I hate it when people don’t actually know what freedom of speech means.
by Sqwibbs on Jun 3, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah its pretty simple
………The right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
No, actually, that isn’t it.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
by Sqwibbs on Jun 3, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nope.
Also, I firmly believe that people think “PC” is killing speech are generally those who don’t really understand why it was important in the first place. I agree though, striving to build a more inclusive language is absolutely horseshit.
by bigstupidsmile on Jun 3, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is abridging his freedom of speech?
He spoke. What he said was misogynistic. Now we’re exercising our freedom of speech to call him out on it.
Nothing but freedom of speech going on ’round here.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Jun 3, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It's amazing how many people fail to grasp this.
Free speech means people can respond to you in any way they want as well. If people should be able to use any slur they want, I should be able to tell them they’re ignorant, bigoted, jackasses right back.
freedom of speech
is not freedom from consequences.
Nobody is arresting Rogan for what he said, but we are free to say he choose his words poorly and comes off like an idiot who can’t come up with a proper defense so is just muttering personal insults.
The advent of Political Correctness has helped stop the Conservative party in the UK
From producing campaigns like their 1970’s West Midlands’ “If You Want A Nigger For A Neighbour, Voter Liberal or Labour” propaganda. If Political Correctness has done nothing else it’s made right leaning political parties better at hiding their latent racism.
by KJ Gould on Jun 3, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
All this "hurt the sport" talk bores me
Who cares if it doesn’t go mainstream like the NBA or NFL etc. MMA is here to stay regardless. Obviously the bigger it gets, the more money there will be which means alot of great possibilities.
Would I love to see the fighters being paid more than 8, 10, 20k per fight? Definitely.
Would I love to not have to pay $50 to watch most of the cards? For sure.
But if MMA were to stay the same as it is right now, I wouldn’t mind one bit.
I can't not rec that
“If you collapsed the universe into a tube, you’d have a very long tube. Because when you make it into a tube, it’s actually twice as long now…well you wouldn’t want to put it into a bowl.”
BOOSH
I hate Maggie Hendricks
She is truly terrible at covering MMA.
Quod licet Iovi non licet bovi.
by Wrestling Uber Alles on Jun 3, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
Notice how this gentleman expressed his opinion without implying that Maggie Hendricks is terrible because of her gender?
For the libertarian crusaders in this thread whining about “special treatment,” there’s not a damn thing wrong with this.
Thank you, thank you
I completely agree: if Maggie Hendricks were a man or even a hermaphrodite or whatever else is out there these days, she’d still suck at covering MMA.
Quod licet Iovi non licet bovi.
by Wrestling Uber Alles on Jun 4, 2011 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I love how this
kind of crap is used as an excuse as to why MMA isn’t taken seriously.
While NBA players call people faggots on the court, while Tiger Woods cussed like a sailor and threw clubs on National TV, while NFL player after NFL player gets murdered, murders, or gets a DWI. While baseball player after baseball player gets caught doping.
It’s all bullshit.
That's the "entrenchment" argument.
MMA isn’t as established as the other sports. It also cultivates an outsider status. These were points all discussed above.
@scb0212
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 4, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
glad Joe was publicly scolded
Never seen someone who tries to act intelligent and instead, usually rambles alot and puts in his own garbage thoughts to mma fans, thats what joe rogan is.
just happy this time instead of doing the usual im trying to be philosophical for the sake of being philosophical routine he didn’t waste my time and barfed out his sexist/racist/whatever-ist meat head impulse thoughts.

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