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Strikeforce Judo Chop: Josh Barnett's Invisible Grappling

Barnett High-Mounts Rogers during their fight at Strikeforce Overeem vs. Werdum At American Airlines Center on June 18, 2011 in Dallas, Texas.(Photos by Esther Lin/Forza LLC/Forza LLC via Getty Images) via www.strikeforce.com

Josh Barnett is going to get criticism no matter how well he performs for the rest of his career. Some of his performances from here on out can no doubt be critiqued legitimately; there are always things fighters can do better and there's never going to be a shortage of armchair quarterbacks. But with Barnett -- who will forever polarise an audience with his 3 drug test failures and complete lack of personal accountability or remorse -- some of his performance criticism will be thinly veiled assaults by an MMA fan-base that rightly feels angered and betrayed by his words and actions.

However other aspects of his performance a couple of weeks ago at Strikeforce Overeem vs Werdum are being criticised because of subtleties that were easily missed. This is an inherent problem with grappling as a spectator sport and also a reason why legitimate submission grappling such as Catch Wrestling in the early 1900's became worked exhibition Pro Wrestling with more exaggerated moves and sequences. Corruption and money played a part as I have mentioned in previous articles and matches going on for hours at a time was a problem as well. But a big problem that often cropped up was a match ending and the majority of an audience having no idea why because quite simply they couldn't see what had happened. This was an era when the audience didn't benefit from the presence of a big screen in the arena not to mention slow motion multi-angle replays. At least with Boxing even if a laymen didn't understand the nuances of what they were watching, they could still see two men standing upright throwing their fists even if they were a hundred rows back. When a grappling match ended on the mat and the audience couldn't see why, the crowd could turn ugly and throw out accusations of fight fixing among other things.

Two weeks ago everyone saw Barnett's double-leg slam, his lateral drop and his arm-triangle finish. Everyone saw him work from side control to mount, scramble to a go behind and work his way out of Half-Guard. What a lot of people didn't see, even with the benefit of broadcast cameras capturing the action up close, were all the little details in between and what I'm dubbing 'Invisible Grappling'

After the jump I'll be breaking down these details illustrated with photos and animated gifs in an attempt to show why they played an important role in not only Barnett remaining in control at all times, but in getting the finish as well.

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Bslam_medium Kick Out The Slams

For many this was one of the few highlights of the fight where Josh Barnett was able to partially catch a kick from Rogers and drive him into the fence before eventually picking him up and slamming him onto the mat. What you may have missed -- Barnett executes this Double-Leg pick up almost perfectly from a technical standpoint. To begin with Rogers has widened his base and turned his hips to make it a lot harder for Barnett to lift and he's also trying to pummel his arms inside to bring Barnett back up to his level. Barnett adjusts his base by rotating slightly clockwise while switching to a Single-Leg grip on Rogers right leg. Once he has the grip and hugs Rogers' leg close to his body he rotates anti-clockwise pulling Rogers into him and causing him to withdraw his arms to defend while becoming more upright. Barnett then drives Rogers back into the fence and switches back to a Double-Leg grip that's now free of Rogers' arms. Barnett locks his hands just beneath Rogers butt keeping his base narrow and square. Barnett is able to step in and penetrate Rogers' base to get his hips below and parallel to Rogers' hips. Keeping his back straight Barnett is able to lift Rogers fairly efficiently before driving him to the mat while turning his right shoulder into Rogers' body which allows him to protect his own head from impact as well as land him in side control. By problem solving the situation to attain better grip and positioning Barnett wastes less energy than if he just tried to power through with a takedown that might have landed him in Guard or Half-Guard, potentially giving him more work to do on the mat later on. In the diagram below I've highlighted in green Rogers' actions and highlighted in blue Barnett's actions. You will need to click the diagram to get it to animate in a new tab / window.

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Staying Hip

Soon after Barnett takes Rogers down he maintains side control and pressure. Nothing out of the ordinary there. What you may have missed -- Many people look down on Rogers' grappling ability and call him a fish on his back and I think this is unfair. While he's not a high level black belt in Jiu-Jitsu he does show he has some idea of what to do but the problem is Barnett has spent so much time on the mat he has an acute sense of what an opponent is doing underneath him. Rogers actually gets his left arm under Barnett and uses it as a wedge before trying to shrimp and get his left leg in as an attempt to regain guard. Barnett feels this as its happening and reacts instantly using a Hip Cut. I've not tended to see this used in BJJ though maybe I've not been looking in the right places, but I've definitely seen it in Catch Wrestling and it's one of the moves Barnett teaches in his 'Punishing Rides' instructional. The idea is it allows you to remain heavy while closing the gap the opponent can slide a leg into from underneath side control. With this movement Barnett is also able to use his body to push out the arm Rogers had been using as a wedge, and Barnett throughout has his right arm under Rogers head as you would with a Reverse Half-Nelson to limit Rogers' ability to bridge and move. Again click the below diagram to see it animate in a new tab / window.

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Barnett stays on top of Rogers but doesn't appear to do much else? What you may have missed -- Barnett uses his right forearm to crossface Rogers in what he calls a Power-Half Ride because of its similarity in mechanics to a Power Half-Nelson. Barnett adjusts his base so he's still blocking Rogers' hip to avoid him regaining guard while staying on his toes to anchor his leg in place. Barnett then brings all his weight over his forearm to grind Rogers' head that is still turned to the side making it as miserable for him on bottom as possible. It feels even worse as Barnett drives with his right leg to make himself feel even heavier with the goal to make Rogers think of nothing else but to get the hell out of there. Rogers uses the cage to wall walk in an attempt to escape position and possibly end up on top of Barnett or back to his feet, but again Barnett is sensitive to his movements and under-hooks the head as before to kill Rogers' movement, pulling him back to the mat where he can resume riding heavy. Again Rogers shows he has some idea of things to do off of his back, but Barnett uses little energy while Rogers expends a lot. Click the below diagram to animate in a new tab / window.

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Barnett attempts an 'Americana' or known in Catch as a Top Wrist Lock, and from Shooto influenced Catch a V-Arm Lock because of the shape the arm makes when it's in the correct position to crank the shoulder and twist the elbow joint. Barnett figure-fours his arms to frame the lock up but is unable to maintain a grip. I'd personally grab further up to get more leverage, and grip with the thumb around the hand. The trouble with this is there's a rule in the Unified Rules of MMA that says you can not grab the glove but it's not been clarified whether this means you're not allowed to grab the inside of the glove or not allowed to grab the glove at all. The former makes sense as you end up with an unfair handle but the latter means it becomes more difficult than necessary to apply an armlock because of the shortened leverage. What you may have missed -- Barnett actually thinks of setting up a submission before this. You can just about hear his corner call for him to step over Rogers head as he has Rogers right arm isolated. This could be to step-over for a spinning armbar and Barnett looks as if he's thinking about it but due to the lack of space between the mat and the cage wall on that side Barnett decides against it and resumes side control before attempting the mentioned Top Wrist Lock. Part of the reason Barnett has difficulty with the TWL is Rogers is in strong position to defend keeping his arms in and tight, and also again because of the wall proximity Barnett is too far over Rogers' center line to be heavy and try to keep his hips below Rogers center of mass.

Something else that might have been missed is Rogers doing a good job getting his arms inside again as a wedge and inches his way across the mat placing Barnett's mass above his head to allow him to pop and roll as an escape from side control. Rogers actually does this well and ends up showing some technique to go along with his power and also benefits from Barnett not having room to sprawl his hips back and being more like a ball that can easily roll off as a result. Barnett is able to ride Rogers' movement and stay on top in the Head-to-Head position and immediately goes on the Short Offense using a front headlock to a go behind and then drives Rogers back to the mat as Rogers tries to turn into him.  Click the below diagram to animate in a new tab / window.

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Barnett was soon able to pass from Rogers' Half-Guard to Mount as Rogers body-locked Barnett causing the announce team of Mauro Renallo and Frank Shamrock to say Rogers was holding on for dear life. What you may have missed -- Barnett lowers his hips into a low mount, and while this isn't unusual this position becomes more of a pin than a ride due to trying to hold the bottom man in place. Barnett doesn't get double grapevines and this could be down to preference or reach, but keeping your feet together as he does is a good alternative as it makes it harder for the bottom man to bring his feet into his own butt to make his position for bridging stronger. It's odd that a lot of the criticism towards Barnett is for wearing out Rogers on the mat by driving pressure through Rogers stomach and under his diaphragm making it difficult to breathe. This is essentially like applying a choke to the body but apparently only a choke to the throat is sophisticated enough for some fans. Barnett can potentially measure Rogers breathing and time his hip pressure to cut an inhalation or exhalation short, disrupting this natural automatic process which in turn means decreasing the efficiency in which Rogers is able to take in Oxygen and get rid of Carbon Dioxide leading to increased fatigue. Roger holding on to Barnett seems more a case of resting before trying to explode with his movement such as trying to wall walk again but Barnett is able to keep his hips low and his knees pinched tight as well as use his arms to base out as Rogers tries to buck him forward. At one point again Barnett tries to attack an arm but due to the camera angle it's difficult to tell whether it's a TWL or a straight armbar. Barnett is mixing in some ground strikes more likely to open Rogers up than looking to finish with punches as there's no need to try and punch himself out especially if he's only going to be hitting Rogers' arms. Coupled with effecting Rogers' breathing and letting him expend the energy while thrashing around on the ground there's little criticism to be made towards Barnett by those who appreciate good grappling. Unfortunately the less informed may feel 'good grappling' consists of mad scrambles when the reality often is one or both fighters losing control of each other through sloppy technique. Click the below diagram to animate in a new tab / window.

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In parts of Round 1 and 2 you can see Barnett holding Rogers head while in mount, and you hear Frank Shamrock comment that Barnett is smothering him. What you may have missed -- Barnett was actually trying a neck crank that Erik Paulson has nicknamed a 'Lemon Crusher'. It's a move worth trying as it's easy to apply from Low Mount especially if you have grapevines and can really drive down and forward and you don't otherwise have a Half-Nelson / Guillotine Choke wrapped up. The blade of Barnett's forearm is underneath Rogers head and he locks a grip that's not dissimilar to that of a 'Rear Naked Choke' or an Arm Triangle, only without one of Rogers' arms present. For it to be most effective though Barnett needed to be able to turn Rogers head before driving forward and bending his neck which would effect one muscle in the neck instead of two. Alternatively it wouldn't take much to transition to a 'Fist Choke' aka a No Gi Ezekiel choke though I'm unsure if MMA gloves would make this more difficult to apply due to getting a padded fist under the chin and on top of the windpipe. Click the below diagram to animate in a new tab / window.

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I've decided not to cover the Lateral Drop or Arm Triangle finish as they were more obvious in their application, and previous Judo Chops and even Gracie Breakdowns via Youtube have covered Arm Triangle finishes before particularly the one used by Brock Lesnar (who is also coached by Erik Paulson) to defeat Shane Carwin.

Below are a selection of videos that can give you some more details on using the mount, getting a 'Lemon Crusher' neck crank or fist choke as well as a trailer for Josh Barnett's Punishing Rides. Hopefully this Judo Chop has shown a lot more was going on than first meets the eye and while clearly over-matched Rogers showed signs he wasn't completely clueless on the ground similar to Dan Hardy in his fight with Georges St. Pierre. In that fight though GSP took some more risks going for submissions and as a result Hardy was able to escape and get back to his feet on occasion where comparatively Barnett stayed in control, wore Rogers out and got the finish with a choke that met little resistance. And in the case of Rogers as well as the nature of the Heavyweight class, his KO power was a real threat where one punch could really end the fight.

Providing Barnett doesn't screw up with his PED test, he's ready to take on Sergei Kharitonov hopefully in just a few months time and it's largely because of taking no damage through fighting a smart fight that was still finished.

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great stuff

as much as Barnett has discredited himself, he’s a great grappling technician.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 27, 2011 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Barnett has never discredited himself inside the ring/ cage,

I’ve always really liked him as a fighter. All 3 losses to Mirko were marred by fouls, and his first fight with Nog is one of my all time favorite fights.

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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 27, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome information

I was looking for some more info on this after hearing his interview with Ariel about what he was doing to “take his guts” etc. Really really good — keep it up

by zacktb on Jun 27, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Armchair Judokas

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by Charles Awad on Jun 27, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks KJ! Nice breakdowns.

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by Kwisatz Haderach on Jun 27, 2011 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

"Who's doing this? Who's killing us? Robbing us of life, and light."

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by RolloTomasi on Jun 27, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you seen Tree of Life? It just finally started showing near me, I haven’t had a chance yet. God I love Terrence Malick’s stuff.

What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?

by Kwisatz Haderach on Jun 27, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not yet.

But I will.

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by RolloTomasi on Jun 27, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah it looks epic.

What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?

by Kwisatz Haderach on Jun 27, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

looks boring

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by SentientAndroid on Jun 27, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you didn’t like the trailer, I’m pretty certain you’ll hate it.

What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?

by Kwisatz Haderach on Jun 27, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen it twice now, it’s mind blowing if you like his films but it isn’t for everybody and half the audience was not pleased meanwhile the other half of the audience was awe struck.

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by Patrick Tenney on Jun 27, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I expected nothing less:) Thanks for the opinion. I’ll be getting out to see it directly…

What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?

by Kwisatz Haderach on Jun 27, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thin Red Line is amazing, T.M. has never made a bad movie.

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by Patrick Tenney on Jun 27, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really appreciate this type of article/post. For all his faults, Barnett is a hell of a grappler and this is a great breakdown of his techniques.

by Rasputin75 on Jun 27, 2011 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I really like the arrows and the other graphics

so I hope you will think about using that approach for future striking breakdowns too.

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by killphil on Jun 27, 2011 3:21 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I will

Though unfortunately it’s quite time consuming, partly why this Chop published today instead of last week.

by KJ Gould on Jun 27, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a technical writer...

And I gotta say that your clearly worded descriptive text, along with the diagrams, is a great way of explaining subtle techniques to novices lime myself.

by mthom on Jun 27, 2011 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I love it when technical writers make spelling mistakes...

makes me feel better about my crappy grammar somehow

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by mjanecek on Jun 27, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just finished reading about how Barnett cut his hips out in side control, and wanted to thank you for this great break down in the comments. It’s exam week so I’m forgoing bjj practice. This post is like crack. Thanks :)

by castleeb on Jun 27, 2011 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

The hip cut is commonly taught in BJJ classes. However, it’s usually taught with the added motions of seizing the arm that’s above the hip cut and scootching the thigh up near the head to really isolate that arm. That leads to armbars usually, but can lead to other methods of control or even mounts and back takes.

In the Heavy Rider section, the “hips low” part is simple, but does a disservice to Barnett. He doesn’t just have his hips low – he has them on top of Rogers’ hips. It’s very, very advantageous to the top person to have hip on hip control, as it allows the top person to hold the bottom person immobile via pressure and frees up the hands and head to hunt for submissions and punches.

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by Ben Thapa on Jun 27, 2011 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

We worked transitioning into the judo pin by cutting out hips across when our opponent tries to shrimp out just the other day. That’s the same concept right?

by castleeb on Jun 27, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

Remember that you can switch back and forth between methods of side control if need be, but if you can hold that judo pin against a resisting opponent, you’ve probably got a submission right around the corner.

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by Ben Thapa on Jun 27, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

What submissions are available from the judo pin? Sorry for all the questions, I am very green, but curious!

by castleeb on Jun 27, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll have to try that position more often. Whenever I get side control I either transition to mount or my opponent shrimps back into guard; I don’t ever feel the opportunity to stabilize and “hang out”.

by castleeb on Jun 27, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re new, this is one of a million things you’re working on. Don’t stress out about it, but do keep it in mind that if you can. Being able to impose your will on an opponent and move at your own pace is a nice ability to have when grappling.

Also, the stepover triangle is commonly linked to the kesa-gatame.

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by Ben Thapa on Jun 27, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sort of

He’s in Kuzure Gatame, not Kesa, as he isn’t giving up an underhook to Brett

by Seneca Savoie on Jun 27, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent article

Please do more of these. I send them to my friends who are trying to become better spectators of MMA and I learn some things as well.

My only request – could you make the notations on a video clip or a gif that shows all the frames in between each move? I want to see more of the context for each step.

Thanks!

by Django Z on Jun 27, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd love to

Time constraints my end, but also size constraints of the gifs without sacrificing too much quality are issues.

by KJ Gould on Jun 27, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent breakdown. You picked up on some things that I hadn’t given Rogers credit for having watched the fight once and not in the detail you were able to. Very nice work.

I was also very impressed with Barnett, maybe he still has some gas in the tank. His technique could really give these fighters fits due to lack of familiarity. He will be a tough out for anyone.

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by crizzy on Jun 27, 2011 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

This is an excellent post, glad to see something this detailed posted. Great job!

by thievesdont on Jun 27, 2011 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Especially love the Batman TV-show style onomatopoeia at the end of the 1st diagram

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by Sergio Non on Jun 27, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Nice job KJ! I almost forgot about this. very good stuff. Now wheres the guy who called you snarkey for not telling him what a lemon crusher was!

by MRR1 on Jun 27, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Bless you KJ

I wasn’t able to watch the event live, and had to settle for a crappy low-quality version of this fight last week. It was easy to miss a lot of what went on. Thanks for doing this!

It’s also nice to see, from the comments, that I’m not the only person who doesn’t absolutely hate Barnett forever. I love watching the man fight.

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by Jackie Maden on Jun 27, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

KJ, a serious question

why don’t more guys in MMA — especially the skilled wrestlers who have made the jump — do more lateral drops? with an opponent pressed against the cage, and you have an over-under grip, it would seem like the most logical move (because if you do it right, you land in side control), but we see it pretty rarely, IMO.

is it just too hard to land? or is the risk-reward factor too great for a lot of guys?

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by bobthewriter on Jun 27, 2011 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

It's a combination of things

1) You’ll need space behind and to the side of you. If you’re being pressed up against the cage it’s too late as there’s no room to go. However if you’re the one pushing the opponent into the fence you can wait to see if he pushes into you and …

2) Use their energy against them. It’s not something you can easily work from a static position and they have to be pushing into you. In a lot of ways this is more akin to Judo because of the ‘Kazushi’ element which is all to do with off balancing.

3) Height makes a difference. You’re going to have a lot of problems hitting a lateral drop if you opponent is taller than you. I know a lot like to think any move should work on any one but most of the times adjustments have to be made based on how tall or short or wide or narrow someone is, not to mention the weight difference or even speed difference. Sometimes now matter how hard you try an adjustment can’t solve the problem and you have to admit to yourself there are certain things you can’t do due to physical limitations. However at least there are things you can do that others might not be able to because of their own limitations.

by KJ Gould on Jun 27, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Try Fiber One bars
can’t do due

You know what, chris81203?

I’ve a bone to pick with you. Where do you get off having a lame username with numbers like most internet jackoffs that lack intelligence and internet savvy, yet still manage to make hilarious and insightful posts with regularity? There’s a God damned standard, and your username implies that you’re a dumb, forgettable peon, but your demeanor implied otherwise.

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by Chris Hall on Jun 27, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lateral Drop

In order to execute a lateral drop, it is necessary for your opponent to push into you. Without his momentum, it is next to impossible to pull off the move. It is quite likely that a lot of fighters have trained to pummel their way out of the position so that they are not vulnerable to the lateral drop.

by BLawrence42 on Jun 27, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Plus there’s the fear of messing up with them on top of you or even scrambling for your back.

by KJ Gould on Jun 27, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome stuff.

Thanks for writing this. I know a few people that should be reading this. Sadly, I don’t think they ever will.

by pud333 on Jun 27, 2011 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

KJ!

This is totally amazing. Thank you for the wrestling basics. So helpful.

by Clifford J on Jun 27, 2011 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

For Barnett haters this article is TL;DR.

by terzergoss on Jun 27, 2011 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

KJ,
Just amazing. Thank you so much.

by zombie_hobbes on Jun 27, 2011 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Anybody who was bored by this fight

Isn’t a real MMA fan. Barnett fought a perfect fight that was always designed to lead to a submission, and to say that he should have gone for a submission earlier is basically admitting that you’ve got no attention span.

Great breakdown, thanks very much.

by CaptainArmbar on Jun 27, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Brent Brookhouse

isn’t a real mma fan?

You know what, chris81203?

I’ve a bone to pick with you. Where do you get off having a lame username with numbers like most internet jackoffs that lack intelligence and internet savvy, yet still manage to make hilarious and insightful posts with regularity? There’s a God damned standard, and your username implies that you’re a dumb, forgettable peon, but your demeanor implied otherwise.

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by Chris Hall on Jun 27, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

No names named please

It’s perfectly fine not to like this fight, either for the grappling, or because you hate Barnett. Just don’t try to disguise one as the other!

by KJ Gould on Jun 27, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol good point KJ

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by Chris Hall on Jun 27, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best Judo Chop I have Seen.

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by RJshock 305 on Jun 27, 2011 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Great stuff. It’s really good to know that Barnett wasn’t just lying on top of Rogers. It really goes to show how much minute detail is going on in an MMA fight, especially on the ground.

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by chrisbboy82 on Jun 27, 2011 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I am seriously impressed by your article. Amazing insight! I’ve got a question about the Lemon Crusher, why couldn’t Barnett get rolled there by trapping a leg and bridging over it? It seems like an easy escape when Barnett can’t post an arm or am I missing something?

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by rask4p on Jun 27, 2011 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

The arm under the neck

Combined with the driving pressure limits the bridge. If you think about a wedge block used to stop aeroplane wheels rolling forward it’s a similar principle and it’s the basis of Half Nelsons and Reverse Half Nelsons in wrestling (after the turnover).

by KJ Gould on Jun 27, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barnett kept that pesky foot position and hip pressure during his lemon crusher attempt. With most of Barnett’s weight still over Rogers’ lower abdomen/hips as well as his feet directly behind Rogers’ butt there was no way that Rogers could have formed a strong bridge and even if he attempted it Barnett, by virtue of his position, would have had more than enough time to reinforce his base.

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by exsanguinator on Jun 27, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If only I could as good at actually grappling as I am at analyzing it.

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by exsanguinator on Jun 27, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks brothers, very nice to see some high quality analysis! I still think that when the first arm goes under the head it’s an auto sweep. El Guapo really drove this home for me and it’s always worked out. That said, I’ve never grappled with someone at the level of Barnett and his hip pressure could make the difference.

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by rask4p on Jun 28, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

one super important point..

without the grapevine(legs weaved between the opponents with hips holding him down).. you can still have a very strong mount with a wrapped arm around the head move your chest and a portion of your weight over to the side of the mounted opponent that is not blocked.
ie if your barnett and are wrapping the head with left arm.. move your body to the right of his.. this will make your weight much harder to bump you over to the left (the blocked side).

by waldog on Jun 28, 2011 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome Breakdown and insight into it all!! Great read an definite rec’

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by Chiggs on Jun 27, 2011 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Is there any other fighter that would get criticized for merely dominating his opponent en route to a submission at 1:17 of round 2? Barnett is ridiculous in a lot of ways, but the flack he’s getting for this fight is mind-boggling.

by JRN on Jun 27, 2011 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

how mindboggling is it?

the guy got caught using roids several times. would you feel differently if the guy had gotten caught bringing a baseball bat or a knife? the strength/stamina gain from roid use is significant … and considering the danger inside the octagon to any fighter, it isn’t that far fetched to say roid use is only a notch under bringing a weapon.

by sunzlight on Jun 28, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alternatively it wouldn’t take much to transition to a ‘Fist Choke’ aka a No Gi Ezekiel choke though I’m unsure if MMA gloves would make this more difficult to apply due to getting a padded fist under the chin and on top of the windpipe.

It is definitely more difficult, however if you were going to learn how to do this technique, I recommend asking Alexey Oleinik to give some tips.

I made a post about him on my blog a while ago for just this reason.
http://brocheckoutthisfight.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/ksw-8-konfrontacja-krzysztof-kulak-v-alexey-oleinik/

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by Simco on Jun 27, 2011 9:49 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Crazy that he finished it from guard.

Kulak’s a scrub, but impressive nonetheless. Oleinik would def be better off at heavyweight.

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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 28, 2011 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

*Light heavyweight

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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 28, 2011 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

AWESOME

one of the best Judo chops ever.

hats off sir

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by T.P. Grant on Jun 27, 2011 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish there was a judo chop everyday.

by Portillo on Jun 28, 2011 2:56 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This got Barnett’s seal of approval on Twitter. Willing to bet his opinion of BE might be altered after reading something as high quality as this.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 28, 2011 4:06 AM EDT reply actions  

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