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Judge's Summary in M-1 vs Affliction Case Lifts the Veil On Doing Business with Fedor

To fans of the UFC and mixed martial arts the business-side of the sport can seem  downright mystifying. Any and all dealings are apparently performed in the shadows: pay is rarely discussed, locker room bonuses are left unreported, and contracts are treated as state secrets. Negotiations between the major players is often kept shrouded in secrecy, only revealed - if they are ever revealed - as brief and cryptic missives. Rarely is the curtain lifted, to allow us a glimpse into the inner workings of this multi-million dollar business and when it is, more often than not, it seems to only come about through compliance with the court system. Thanks to the Central District Court of California that curtain has been briefly lifted again.

On June 7th, Judge Margaret M. Morrow denied all the parties involved in the Fedor Emelianenko/ M-1 vs Affliction litigations (case 2:09-cv-MMM-MLG) cross motions for summary judgment. Her ruling means that the case will be sent to mediation and if the parties are unable to resolve this through a third party mediator it will then progress to trial. A 55-page document of Judge Morrow’s decision was released [To read the full decision click on the link] and it provides a fascinating glimpse into the behind-the scenes business dealings of some of the biggest players in MMA. Both Justin Klein of Fightlawyer.com and Jose Mendoza of MMAPayout have done a great job of covering the case and Judge Morrow's summary, highlighting what they each view as some of the most pertinent sections contained within, particularly in concern with the chronology leading up to the cancellation of the Trilogy event.

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Here, excerpted from the document, are some of the key events chronicling Trilogy's demise:

 

May 13, 2009

Tom Attencio sent M-1 counsel Steve Bash a letter which stated "Mr. Emelianenko is to fight on August 1, 2009 against Josh Barnett.

July 9, 2009

Affliction began discussions with the UFC regarding a potential sponsorship deal.

July 13, 2009

[Afflction's counsel] Bassiri and Lawrence Epstein, UFC’s general counsel, discussed the possibility that UFC would assume responsibility for the Trilogy show and postpone it to September 19, 2009, in Dallas. Bassiri told Epstein that Affliction Promotions wanted to leave the MMA promotion business and re-establish its relationship with the UFC.

July 15, 2009

Beard, Courtney Dubar, Clifton Chason, Eric Foss of Affiction knew Bassiri was meeting with the UFC a second time...

 ...No one at Affliction told anyone affiliated with M-1 that it was exploring the possibility of reestablishing a relationship with the UFC.

July 21, 2009

M-1 learned from Affliction that the California State Athletic Commission would not renew Josh Barnett’s license because he had tested positive for the use of steroids.

...

After leaning of Barnett’s ineligibilty, Atencio identified a short list of potential replacement opponents, including Brett Rogers, Roy Nelson, and Allistair Overeem.

July 22, 2009

Atencio offered [Brett] Rogers $500,000 to replace Barnett as Emelianenko’s opponent at the August 1, 2009 Trilogy event...

....

Strikeforce, with whom Rogers then had a promotional contract, was not willing to release him from his contract to fight in the Trilogy event, however.

...

When Bash called Affliction on July 22, 2009, regarding the status of the search for a replacement fighter, he "was told by . . . [Atencio] and [Beard] . . . that ‘[they were] going to make a decision tomorrow, and [they would] call [Bash] once . . . [they] figure[d] everything out.’" Bash reports that, after Beard and Atencio "said [they]’d call in the morning . . . [t]here was a period of time when [Beard] wasn’t answering his phone," i.e., "[t]he whole [next] day," despite the fact that Bash "kept calling and texting." The following day, Bash was in Los Angeles, and decided to visit the Affliction offices in person. He spoke with Atencio, who told him that the "partners [were] upstairs in a meeting, and they’re. . . making a financial decision on . . . who the opponent’s going to be." Bash waited for an hour and a half, but left when Atencio promised to call him at 8:00 a.m. the next day.

July 23, 2009

Strikeforce released Rogers to fight in the event. By that time, however, Affliction Promotions had decided to cancel Trilogy. At 4:00 p.m. that day, Affliction concluded a deal with UFC. Paragraph 1 of the UFC/Affliction agreement provided: "[E]xcept for any rights that [Affliction] has with respect to Fedor Emelianenko (‘Fedor’) and conditioned upon [Affliction] . . . assign[ing] the agreements between [Affliction] and the [Affliction] Fighters to the UFC, the UFC agrees to assume [Affliction]’s responsibility for payment of the entire purse of the Affliction Trilogy Event which [Affliction] represents is not in excess of $741,000 purse and $370,000 win bonus. . . ." Paragraph 2 stated that "[w]ith respect to Fedor, in the event the UFC is able to come to an agreement with Fedor on terms and conditions satisfactory to the UFC, the UFC shall assume responsibility for payments of Fedor’s purse for the Affliction Trilogy event or cause Fedor to release [Affliction] from its agreement with Fedor." Paragraph
6 required that Affliction Promotions cancel the Trilogy event.

July 24, 2009

Atencio finally returned Bash’s telephone calls on July 24, 2009. He advised that Trilogy had been cancelled and that Affliction had signed a deal with the UFC. Prior to the time M-1 learned of the cancellation, it had put Emelianenko on his scheduled flight to Los Angeles, and given him footage of both Rogers and Vitor Belfort so that he could study the fighters while in flight. Emelianenko did not learn that Trilogy had been cancelled until he arrived at Los Angeles International Airport with thirty fans from Russia.

According to the summary it appears as if not only was M-1 clueless to the fact that Affliction and UFC were in any kind of negotiations, learning of it only while Fedor was in flight on his way to Los Angeles, but that part of the final agreement between those two required that the Trilogy event be cancelled. To my layman’s eyes it would appear as if M-1 does in fact have a strong case in their claim of a breach of contract by Affliction [It’s also not hard to imagine that this might come into play in any hypothetical Federal Trade Commission investigations].

Here are some of the other tidbits that caught my eye:

* In an apparent effort to win the favor of their partners Finkelchtein (the parent entity of M-1) had invested $1 million to open an Affliction store in Moscow.

* In the Spring of 2009 M-1  tried to put together a co-promoted event between themselves, Affliction, and Dream in Japan, going so far as to fly Affliction staff members to Japan to take part in discussions. In the end, Affliction turned down the idea. (Note: Rumors of a Dream/Affliction/M-1 event being in the works was reported in April of that year. This seems to confirm that there was some basis for those rumors.)

* Perhaps symbolizing the breaking down of the relationship, when offered assistance with the matchmaking for the upcoming Trilogy card Tom Attencio answers with "NO!". 

Some of the most interesting revelations involve the relationship between Fedor and M-1. For years rumors had floated that Fedor was being used  by Vadim, that he was nothing more than a pawn in a game being played by M-1. On cursory examination of the release it would appear as if these rumors were true. In an email exchange with Affliction Vadim  bluntly states that M-1 is "tr{ying] to build a competitive organization using Fedor as the trump card." And use him they did. When questioned as to why he didn't express any complaints concerning the use of the Affliction logo at the M-1 Challenger events they were sponsoring to the tune of $1 million (non payment of $500,000 of which makes up part of the lawsuit) Tom Beard bluntly answers  "as long as Fedor fought for Affliction, that was all that mattered."

Even more alarming is the fact that Fedor was being paid only $300,000 per bout while M-1 was receiving a consulting fee of $1.2 mil per bout. It would appear as if we finally have confirmation of those long-persistent rumors, a smoking gun to prove that  M-1 is taking advantage of Fedor. Of course, this is only from a cursory examination, and if one was to study the document closer it would tell a completely different story.

We now know how large a stake Fedor has in M-1 (or in actuality, in Finkelchtein Beheer bv, the parent entity) - "Emelianenko has an 8.5% interest in the company". Also revealed are the details to his March of 2008 contract with M-1, which "obligated him to fight for M-1 for a two-year period in exchange for $2 million per bout, as well as a $1.5 million signing bonus."   Later, although still under contract with M-1, he and M-1 signed an agreement with Affliction Promotions. This new "fight agreement required that Emelianenko fight in three bouts with a $1.5 million purse per bout.’ Since Affliction would not cover the full ($2 million) payment, M-1 paid the $500,000 difference  along with a portion of his $1.5 million bonus after every fight.  For their part "[Fedor] and M-1 would have the exclusive right to distribute and exploit the bouts in Russia and Asia and to retain any revenues from such distribution and exploitation".

As for the  M-1 consulting agreement purportedly stealing from Fedor, according to Afflcition it was merely "a sham contract designed to decrease Emelianenko’s tax liability. Beard asserts that in a conversation with M-1 management prior to execution of the agreement, M-1’s managers stated that ‘they had certain financial concerns in having the entire $1.5 million dollar purse paid directly to Fedor,’" In fact, "Affliction has proffered undisputed evidence that M-1 paid the $1.2 million per bout it received from Affliction under the Consulting Agreement directly to Emelianenko or a company owned by him."

[From Finkelchtein (parent company of M-1) deposition "Q. At any time in relation to the first fight, did Affliction actually perform by paying $1.2 million to M-1? . . . A. Yes. Q. Did M-1 take that money and pay that to Fedor? A. Yes. Q. Did it pay it directly to Fedor or to one of these other entities [owned by Emelianenko] that we’ve discussed? . . . [A.] I don’t remember. Something to him, something to the company")

In fact, from the document it seems as if the evidence is almost overwhelming that the consulting agreement was purely a sham. Atencio maintained that "[he] never heard in all of the communications [he] had, . . . written and oral, [with] M-1 . . . anything about the Consulting Agreement until the meeting at Affliction’s office after the Trilogy event was canceled in July 2009." In addition there are numerous cases where M-1 referred to the fact that Fedor had an agreement to be paid $2 million per bout and that they themselves where paying him $500,000 (their share of the $2 million) for every bout. The most damning evidence might be the fact that the it is only two weeks after Affliction signs the original agreement to pay Fedor $1.5 mil that the agreement is changed to one where the bulk of the monies go to M-1 for ‘consulting". It seems impossible to imagine, no matter how naive you believe Fedor to be,  that after signing the first agreement he would willingly give up $1.2 million to his management a couple of weeks later. 

If one was to factor in Fedor’s fight with Brett Rogers, which was fought under the span of this agreement, it would mean that Fedor was paid $7.5 million for his 3 fights between March of 2008 and March of 2010, when the agreement ended. It seems likely that no other fighter had a guarantee for a purse of that size. And when put in comparison to Randy Couture's contract at that time, the only other major fighter who's contract has been released for the public to examine, it is hard to imagine more than a select few - if any - being paid more.

This information also brings up several interesting questions and scenarios. Is it possible that many of M-1 actions can be explained away as efforts to pay off and keep happy their number one asset, an asset that was also a heavy financial burden? While it is unlikely to be confirmed, I can't but help allow my feverish imagination to run wild envisioning an M-1 working overtime to find the markets and funds necessary to make payments to the "Last Emperor." Another interesting coincidence to consider is that Fedor's contract with M-1 ended right before the April 2010, Strikeforce: Nashville debacle. Is there any correlation between  the end date of his contract and the re-negotiations between M-1 and Strikeforce that kept him off network TV? Hopefully these questions and others will be answered by future court releases.

The case now moves to trial. A court date has not been set yet.

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good stuff.

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by Chris Barton on Jun 24, 2011 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

For years rumors had floated that Fedor was being used by Vadim, that he was nothing more than a pawn in a game being played by M-1. On cursory examination of the release it would appear as if these rumors were true. In an email exchange with Affliction Vadim bluntly states that M-1 is “tr{ying] to build a competitive organization using Fedor as the trump card.” And use him they did.

Well, bless their hearts for trying.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 24, 2011 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

They damn well better try to use Fedor in whatever way they could if they paid $7.5M for his services.

by paythefighters on Jun 25, 2011 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Feel sorry for Brett Rogers

by bigweeze on Jun 24, 2011 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

For real. It’ll be difficult to make $500,000 the rest of his career.

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by Tim Bernier on Jun 24, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a debacle.

SF refused to release him to fight (although I was under the impression that most of their contracts allow their fighters to fight in other promotions? Probably subject to SF approval but why say no?) then turned around and said yes, too late to save the event. Gah.

SF doesn’t have huge amounts of spare cash, they really should have agreed to take the $500,000 and go 50/50 with Rogers. Everyone would have got a decent outcome.

by Arca MMA on Jun 25, 2011 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a mess

So Atencio was looking to stop promoting Affliction events before Barnett ever failed the drug test.

It seems that the only difference was that before Barnett pissed hot, they were looking to try and have the UFC pay for Affliction: Trilogy? But when Barnett pissed hot, they sort of just gave up and decided to just get their sponsorship deal with the UFC back.

Or did I read something too fast and get it wrong?

It seems as though M-1 was completely doing what most expected with Fedor. He was Darth Vader and they were the galactic Empire. That sort of evil plan to suck as much money and exposure as they could for themselves via Fedor would only last as long as Fedor was still fighting…they had X amount of time to use Fedor to turn them into a global superpower of MMA.

But when Fedor lost that shook them up, and when he lost again, it couldn’t have helped. But they were able to use their negotiating power to get M-1 onto Showtime. And now it seems like they will feebly market Guram as their awesome undefeated heavyweight fighter. But nobody is buying it.

Here’s to as quick an end to M-1 as we can get.

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by Chris Groves on Jun 24, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

it kinda sucks for them that they have nothing left after fedor

someone please photoshop fedor into vader and vadim into the emperor

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by milk72 on Jun 24, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for this.

Now I’ve got 55 pages of AWESOME to keep me occupied for the rest of my work day.

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by alicks on Jun 24, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

“If one was to factor in Fedor’s fight with Brett Rogers, which was fought under the span of this agreement, it would mean that Fedor was paid $7.5 million for his 3 fights between March of 2008 and March of 2010, when the agreement ended. It seems likely that no other fighter had a guarantee for a purse of that size.”

Does anyone else remember when the conventional wisdom on teh internets was that Fedor was a simple, naive man who didn’t care about money or fame, and that Scott Coker was a “dumb” businessman? They don’t seem so simple, naive or dumb now.

by Lauren J Darkbloom on Jun 24, 2011 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Not to mention

How he has historically been very strategic and patient in negotiations. Fedor doesn’t duck fighters, but he doesn’t fight for anything less than top dollar either. The guy’s a businessman, and I say good for him. Fighters need to be smart with their finances, the money they make doesn’t last forever unless they make alot of it and manage it well.

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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 28, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't be dumb.

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by lowellthehammer on Jun 24, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it!

Tom Attencio: “Hey Barnett, we are about to spend 1.1M on fight salaries, not including the 1.5M we have to pay Fedor… hows about you take some banned substances and we’ll double your fight purse when you fail the drug test”

TIN FOIL INDEED!

by hardlyworking on Jun 26, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah,

I think they knew they were boned once Barnett pissed hot, and so they jumped ship ASAP. The money from PPV, Live Gate, and advertising revenue would likely be enough for them to have come out OK on that show.

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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 28, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said before;

M-1 is a cancer on this sport of MMA, which is why I refuse to support their events on Showtime. The only reason M-1 shows exist on Showtime is because it was a condition for them to let Fedor fight for Strikeforce.

by Rob Young on Jun 24, 2011 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Same here

I watched a little bit of their first event out of boredom and some pressure from some guys on here…but I won’t be doing so for the next show…I just can’t approve of them at all.

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by Chris Groves on Jun 24, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's just the way they go about it

They use Fedor to get these crazy co-promoting deals where it always seems like the ‘partners’ are doing all of the heavy lifting.

Does M-1 pay special fees for getting their name above a card with all of Afflictions fighters? They provided Fedor and then they expect all of this crazy stuff.

They haven’t gone about building themselves up in a reputable manner. They signed Fedor and completely used him to grow the company…it’s just shady. They didn’t start promoting their OWN events and put Fedor at the top…no, they do their own rinky dink events, but then they call Fedor ‘their’ fighter but only use him to get these co-promotion deals that benefit themselves.

It’s just the way they are going about it. ‘We have Fedor we have Fedor…you want Fedor? You make huge deals with US! Or you no get Fedor!’

I would have loved to see how successful they would have been if none of the major promotions decided to play ball with them…and they were left as the crappy promotion they are with no legitimate fights for their awesome undefeated Fedor. If Affliction and Strikeforce both said ’f’ck off, we’ll build our own promotion’

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by Chris Groves on Jun 24, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

But shouldn’t the blame have been on Affliction and Strikeforce in those cases. In the case of M-1: they signed Fedor to a contract and agreed to pay him - a lot; they made sure that whatever deals they made were lucrative enough to guarantee they could pay Fedor his large contract; that it proved lucrative to them, the people that had signed Fedor, paid him a bunch of money. and gave him a chunk of the company. It looks to me like they were doing their job as promotion company and getting as much as possible out of his title as the number 1 fighter in the world.

by John Nash on Jun 24, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd tend to side with Face on this one. But not 100%

I see that the Fans would tend to hate M1, mainly because their (mis?)management of Fedor has resulted in Fedor not being able to fight against the top heavyweights for a number of years, and delays/cancellations of matches that everyone wanted to see, e.g. Overeem. This has deprived us all of some awesome Fedor action.

In some ways, I feel M1 shot themselves in the foot for trying to gain too much out of Fedor and this resulted in deals not going through. But there isn’t actually anything wrong with the goal of maximising the revenues that Fedor generates for them, in order to profit themselves as well as pay Fedor well.

by Arca MMA on Jun 25, 2011 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Besides the fact that Affliction failed to promote any shows without Fedor

and Fedor was the trump card that got Strikeforce back on CBS, so obviously they were offering something incredibly valuable…

I think you told us very succinctly in your fake quote where you pretend they speak in broken English or don’t use translators. This reeks of latent xenophobia inspired in part by Dana White’s constant reminders of how “crazy” ‘those Russians’ are.

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by pdl on Jun 24, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at this way, from the beginning 2008 up until Strikeforce announced they had signed Fedor in the beginning of August Showtime averaged 360,000 viewers for their Saturday night Champion series MMA events. From the signing of Fedor until the end of 2010 they averaged 413,000 viewers for the Saturday night Champion series cards. This year they are averaging 573,000 viewers per Saturday card. It would appear to me, even with his the large price tag, that he has payed off for Strikeforce and Showtime.

by John Nash on Jun 24, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor put SF in the big leagues

I thought everybody agreed with that. I mean, that’s when DW turned on them. It’s not really arguable is it? Coker isn’t sitting on a wad of cash right now if he didn’t deal with M-1.

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by Neil Manich on Jun 26, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

please

I have no problem with Russians and I know Dana wouldn’t have said sh!t about them being crazy if he’d been able to get a deal for Fedor without co-promotion.

I was just illustrating the type of attitude they had, it’s been very frustrating for me as a fan.

If M-1 didn’t exist, Fedor would have come to the UFC in 2009 or probably sooner than that…so yeah, that alone is reason enough for me to dislike them.

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by Chris Groves on Jun 25, 2011 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

If M-1 didn’t exist, Fedor would have come to the UFC in 2009 or probably sooner than that…so yeah, that alone is reason enough for me to dislike them.

I honestly don’t think so. Fedor signed with M1 in March 2008. The Affliction show was later that year. Cut out M1 as the middleman, and Fedor simply signs with Affliction.

The fact is that the UFC gave him a shit offer (compared to others) before he signed with M1. They are to blame. Maybe Affliction would still fold and Fedor would choose the UFC instead of SF, but maybe not.

by paythefighters on Jun 26, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

They used Fedor?!?

Dude, they paid him $7.5M! The UFC’s offer in 2007 probably wasn’t even a quarter of that. It’s uncertain whether M-1 got its money’s worth with Fedor.

If anything, Fedor is a smart guy that used his standing in the sport to milk M1 dry.

by paythefighters on Jun 25, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree completely.

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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 28, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

How is it a cancer?

They provide jobs to up and coming fighters and actually pay them a decent amount. That already makes them pretty fucking good as far as lesser MMA promotions go. All this crying about how they’re evil seems to just be rooted in lingering bitterness concerning Fedor never going to the UFC – which in hindsight seems pretty fucking smart considering his abilities were beginning to drop off with age. He got paid a ton to fight lesser opposition. Sounds like a sweet deal to me.

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by lowellthehammer on Jun 24, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Great post...

but there’s got to be something missing from the info we’re getting on the Fedor-M-1 relationship- so M-1 sees none of the money from the deals that they negotiate for Fedor? Fedor gets all 1.5 M/ fight, plus incremental payments of his initial signing bonus, plus an 8.5% stake in the company- and M-1 gets…. co-promotion with Affliction then Strikeforce and Russian/Asian distribution rights to the Affliction cards? Is that it? I’m curious as to: what commission does M-1 from Fedor get for representation? What kind of cost/profit sharing deals did they have with Affliction and Strikeforce?

I think that nottheface’s vision of M-1 doing whatever it took to get Fedor on board, then doing what they had to to make enough to keep their company afloat and Fedor on the payroll is likely close to the truth. It also shows that Dana’s assertions that the deal that he offered Fedor was unprecedented in terms of purse amount was not accurate at all- Fedor could have gotten competitive pay from the UFC and built upon his already legendary legacy, but the company that he was invested in would get nothing and he would likely have walked that road alone, well, his priest would have gone with him, but I don’t think that Vadim would have joined.

We have every right to hate this turn of events as fans, as we were likely robbed of quite a few great moments in the sport by not having Fedor in the UFC. We can hate it as people, since M-1 essentially creating a ""Fedor addiction" that had to be fed, resulting in some potentially greasy moments since their entire existence hinged on Fedor a)still fighting and b) winning, which puts the events after the Bigfoot loss under further scrutiny. But, if you have any empathy, put yourself in M-1 and Fedor’s shoes, and it’s hard to argue that if put in the same place, you’d act differently in the interest of the “health” of the sport, yet at the cost of your own self-interest.

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by John Danaher's Hair on Jun 24, 2011 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

i would say that M-1 recognized and fed our own "Fedor addiction"

i would love to see M-1 succeed as a promotion. the way it looks now, they are well on the way. they have a TV contract on Showtime. they have some decent young talent, and most prominently, management that know how to manipulate the system to the promotions benifit…..everytime they make a move it appears to move them forward.

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by F'n Clownshoes on Jun 25, 2011 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

the final nail in the "Fedor ducked the competition of the UFC"
If one was to factor in Fedor’s fight with Brett Rogers, which was fought under the span of this agreement, it would mean that Fedor was paid $7.5 million for his 3 fights between March of 2008 and March of 2010,

He wouldn’t have made close to that in the UFC.

Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.

by Urijah Bieber on Jun 24, 2011 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

What makes you say that?

by Mike Fagan on Jun 24, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

You really think the UFC would have paid him that much starting in March 2008?

Clay Guida ensured he is now and forever the worlds most exciting and active boring fighter.

by Urijah Bieber on Jun 24, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

between sponsorships ppv revenue sharing and straight salaries

i’d say it woulda been close he’d prob wind up a few mil short though, affliction seriously enjoyed spending money

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by milk72 on Jun 24, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

What makes you think they were offering anything like that?

Fedor said in 2009 that if the UFC gave him that offer before signing with M1, he may have taken it, but they didn’t.

Given all the shit-talking Dana White was doing about Fedor back then, my guess is their offer was no more than $500k/fight with no PPV share, and it definitely had all the “we own you” clauses (there’s some info on the UFC’s refusal to budge there). He went so far as to say that “”http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/8/1/971954/fedor-emelianenko-the-ufc-tried-to" >the UFC tried to fuck me".

by paythefighters on Jun 25, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

your guess is wrong. He was offered more than Randy Couture was making. That is what got Randy’s panties in a bunch originally.

It wouldn’t be shocking if the got the same exact contract Brock got the second time around.

by Phildo on Jun 25, 2011 4:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Fedor would have been as much of a draw as Brock

I think, being Russian, some elements of the Klitschko’s situation might play into it, and his pull would be something like Anderson’s or Sylvia’s. But who knows? Maybe he would have been the guy everyone loves to watch. It’s all guesswork.

by Arca MMA on Jun 25, 2011 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

He would have drawn like Brock if he fought brock. And he certainly would have done more than 100k PPVs by being in the UFC.

by Phildo on Jun 25, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where's even a shred of evidence for that?

He clearly got offered far less than he did in 2009.

by paythefighters on Jun 25, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randy Couture made what, 1.8 million to fight Tim Sylvia? Fedor was making 2.5 million a fight. You tell me who had the better contract.

by VirtualBalboa on Jun 27, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am talking about the offer from the UFC. He was offered more than Randy was. The fact that he got someone else to pay him more than they could afford doesn’t change what the UFC offered.

by Phildo on Jun 27, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

apparently the offer they made him before he went to SF was huge

not sure exact numbers though, so i basically am assuming the offer before he went to affliction was just as high

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by milk72 on Jun 25, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why would you make that assumption?

I just gave you a link where he said that if the UFC made a similar offer before signing with M1 (which happened a few months before Fedor-Sylvia), he may have taken it, but instead they tried to fuck him.

by paythefighters on Jun 25, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

the general idea has surfaced that Fedor was offered a ton of money but declined it

not that anyone can really prove it. Hijacked narrative. I think if the UFC offered the most money – he’d have been in the UFC.

by Urijah Bieber on Jun 26, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

So if Fedor was getting all the money how was M-1 able to stay in business at all? I haven’t read the 55 pages of information yet but something just isn’t making sense about that.

by who me on Jun 25, 2011 2:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Russian backing that is supposedly why they are in an 8 figure hole.

by VirtualBalboa on Jun 27, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s amazing what a change in perspective this article has given me on Fedor, M-1, and their co-promotion deals. I assumed the difficulties during negotiations with Strikeforce resulted from M-1 making excessive demands. It seems much more likely that M-1 was desperate to recoup Fedor’s (pre-determined?) salary, which Strikeforce couldn’t afford.

It’s also worth noting Fedor’s compensation by M-1 was competitive with what anyone else would have offered. You only have to connect the dots to see the whole 1.5 million from Affliction was going to Fedor. This also makes it understandable for M-1 to pick and choose Fedor’s opponents; protecting such a valuable investment is only reasonable.

The idea that M-1 is taking advantage of Fedor is being put to rest. I suppose fans can still rightfully complain about M-1 using a fighter they manage as leverage for co-promotion deals, but at the very least they’ve paid a lot for that ability. It would have been nice if Fedor fought in the UFC, but beyond that he owes it to himself and his family to make wise career decisions that he feels will be most profitable. Dana White has dominated the discourse on M-1 Global more than any other topic, and it really shows in the average fan’s opinion.

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by Bolshevik on Jun 25, 2011 6:55 AM EDT reply actions  

First, the fight with Rogers was under the Strikeforce contract, not under “old” Affliction deal. So, Fedor only got $3mil (including consulting fees) for 2 fights in Affliction.

Second, Vadim said it multiple times – part of the purse went to M-1 for ‘company development’. We don’t know how big was that part, was it a million or $100k, but the fact is – Fedor never got the full purse.

Third, and perhaps most important part, Fedor is trying to finish his own, VERY modest, house for more than 3 years now, and the only reason he didn’t yet is lack of money to do so (he complaint about it to his friends). That’s the biggest reason he is back fighting Hendo in July. If he truly made millions in one fight, that would not be an issue,

Don’t make assumptions based on this one document, there are more “shady” parts that people are not aware of. For example, that most of Fedor’s purse goes to offshore accounts of Fink.

by valetudo.ru on Jun 25, 2011 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

First, the fight with Rogers was under the Strikeforce contract, not under "old" Affliction deal. So, Fedor only got $3mil (including consulting fees) for 2 fights in Affliction.

But he was still under the March 2008 M-1 contract which obligated m-1 to pay him $2 million. Anything above that, in their co-promoted deal, could have very well gone to M-1 and not him,

Second, Vadim said it multiple times – part of the purse went to M-1 for ‘company development’. We don’t know how big was that part, was it a million or $100k, but the fact is – Fedor never got the full purse.

Sure, we have no idea what sort of deal Fedor had going with m-1. But we are to expect that after agreeing to receive $1.5 million from Affliction, that suddenly 2 weeks later he willingly gives up $1.2 million because their going to consult? It not only goes against logic, it goes against the testimony of Beard and Attencio. If M-1 is ripping off Fedor I would guess it is somewhere else in the pipeline and not with the “consulting agreement”.
As for your third part, that could be true as well and if you have links or information about it, it would be greatly appreciated.

by John Nash on Jun 25, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

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