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Who Will Be the Next TUF Winner to be Cut?

As Kendall Grove just became the third Ultimate Fighter winner to be cut from the UFC roster, it's become increasingly clear that winning the Ultimate Fighter is no longer a free pass for people to underperform as long as they're otherwise professional. Having started his UFC career winning three straight and seeming like he could be a future contender, Grove then went 4-6 since and bobbled up and down until he finally got completely manhandled by Tim Boetsch a couple weeks ago, leading to his pink slip. He's a fairly interesting guy to watch so hopefully he can find enough success on the indies to get another shot, either in the UFC or Strikeforce, and I definitely wish him luck.

Kendall Grove may be the third TUF winner to get cut, but he's the first one to not do anything more than lose matches. Travis Lutter, having won a golden ticket to leapfrog past a whole slew of individuals to get a shot at Anderson Silva, ended up missing weight for a championship fight, which more than erased any special protection or goodwill he might have gotten from being a TUF winner. Dana White's expression at the weigh-ins was quite similar to a man watching a million dollars being burned in a bonfire, and Lutter was nearly booed out of the arena when he entered for his match. Silva predictably stopped him in the second round in what was now a non-title fight. One fight later in what was merely the second hardest match-up the UFC could have possibly given Lutter, Rich Frankin TKO'd him right out of the company. Two-and-a-half years later, Efrain Escudero managed to also miss weight for a fight, and lost his second fight in three outings to the much less heralded Charles Oliveira, proving you don't have to fuck up a PPV main-event, you just have to generally fuck up on top of losing to get fired.

Kendall Grove though didn't do anything particularly shameful. He just lost two fights in a row and three of his last four. This is pretty much a standard reason for the UFC to fire any well-known-but-struggling fighter.

Kendall Grove may have some company soon though, as Joe Stevenson looks to be fighting for his job this Sunday, when he drops down to Featherweight to take on Javier Vazquez at UFC on Versus Live 4. So I thought I'd put together this poll.

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To review, here is every winner of The Ultimate Fighter to date:

TUF 1: Forrest Griffin, Diego Sanchez
TUF 2: Rashad Evans, Joe Stevenson
TUF 3: Michael Bisping, Kendall Grove
TUF 4: Travis Lutter, Matt Serra
TUF 5: Nate Diaz
TUF 6: Mac Danzig
TUF 7: Amir Sadollah
TUF 8: Ryan Bader, Efrain Escudero
TUF 9: James Wilks, Ross Pearson
TUF 10: Roy Nelson
TUF 11: Court McGee
TUF 12: Jonathan Brookins
TUF 13: Tony Ferguson

 

After reviewing the list, I whittled it down to five people who I think are in legitimate danger if they lose their next fight. Outside of those five, everyone except Ryan Bader has won their most recent match (including Mac Danzig, who I felt I should mention since he's been getting a lot of comments below; he's won two of his last three now, actually, but I'm open to arguments as to why he's the most in danger of being cut anyway). In order by season:

 

Joe Stevenson - Season 2, Welterweight winner, has since competed at Lightweight and will be debuting at Featherweight

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Last 4 Matches:

L - Danny Castillo (UD) | L - Mac Danzig (KO) | L - George Sotiropoulos (UD) | W - Spencer Fisher (Submission)

Next Fight: Javier Vazquez, UFC on Versus Live 4, on June 26.

What he has going against him: He's lost three in a row. The only fighter I can think of who has lost four in a row in Zuffa and still been given one more chance is Jens Pulver. If Stevenson loses a fourth consecutive fight, short of a blatant robbery in a judges decision, he is gone.

What he has going for him: If he'd only lost two in a row, then I'd mention that he is a popular, former #1 contender at LW who is making his debut in a new weight class that really needs familiar faces to draw attention to it. But really, the only thing going for him is he might win his next match.

 

Matt Serra - Season 4, Welterweight winner

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Last 4 Matches:

L - Chris Lytle (UD) | W - Frank Trigg (TKO) | L - Matt Hughes (UD) | L - Georges St. Pierre (TKO)

Next Fight: Not yet scheduled

What he has going against him: If he loses his next fight he'll have lost four of his last five, in the UFC's most competitive division (seriously, they actually have more Welterweights right now than Lightweights).

What he has going for him: He's a very well known, well-liked fighter, a former TUF coach, and a former UFC World Champion. Also his next fight isn't even scheduled yet.

 

 

Nate Diaz - Season 5, Lightweight winner, also competes at Welterweight

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Last 4 Matches:

L - Rory MacDonald (UD) | L - Dong Hyun Kim (UD) | W - Marcus Davis (Technical Submission) | W - Rory Markham (TKO)

Next fight: Takanori Gomi, UFC 135, on September 24.

What he has going against him: If he loses his next fight he'll have lost three in a row. Also, he's the next guy on this list with a scheduled match after Joe Stevenson, and Takanori Gomi is a pretty tough opponent.

What he has going for him: He's an exciting and popular fighter, and the brother of Welterweight #1 Contender Nick Diaz, a rather rash young man that Dana White would like to keep very much on his good side, at least until he fights GSP at UFC 137. I'd add that he regularly fights in two divisions, but when they're the two most crowded divisions in the company that's kind of a wash.

 

James Wilks  - Season 9, Welterweight winner

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Last 4 Matches:

L - Claude Patrick (UD) | W - Peter Sobotta (UD) | L - Matt Brown (TKO) | W - DaMarques Johnson (Submission)

Next Fight: Not yet scheduled.

What he has going against him: Out of the 16 TUF winners from seasons 1-10, James Wilks is arguably the least well known, and possibly the least well known ever. Even some hardcore fans don't know who the guy is. Since he won the Welterweight tournament in TUF Season 9, he's gone 1-2 against lower-tier competition in what again, is the UFC's most crowded division.

What he has going for him: Dana White tends to give a bit more leeway to British fighters, since he needs enough of them to run events in the U.K. He also doesn't have his next match scheduled, so someone else could lose before him.

 

Roy Nelson - Season 10, Heavyweight winner

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Last 4 Matches:

L - Frank Mir (UD) | L - Junior dos Santos (UD) | W - Stefan Struve (TKO) | W - Brendan Schaub (KO)

Next Fight: Not yet scheduled.

What he has going against him: If he loses his next match it will be three in a row. Add to this the fact that his most recent fight was a boring wall & stall clinchfest where he gassed out horribly, and Dana White has publicly criticized the large spare tire around the guy's waste. He doesn't look like an elite athlete at all.

What he has going for him: Whether you believe that he had walking pneumonia going into his last fight or not, he's still a top 20 fighter in the UFC's shallowest division. Additionally, despite being shallow, Heavyweight is one of the two biggest drawing divisions along with Light Heavyweight. What's more, Roy is also a fairly charismatic guy who stands out on the roster precisely because he doesn't look like an elite athlete at all. He looks like your wacky uncle or cousin. Finally his last two opponents were to former Champion and top 10 HW Frank Mir, and to the current #1 Contender and consensus #2 HW fighter on the planet, Junior dos Santos, a man who either sliced through every other UFC opponent or battered them like a piñata (see Shane Carwin). He certainly hasn't been losing to chumps.

 

Personally, I think Joe Stevenson has the strongest chance here, but since I'd favor him to win over Javier Vazquez, I don't think his chances are better than everyone else's combined. If you'd like to choose someone not in the poll, I'd certainly like to see your choice in the comment section, as I definitely could have missed someone, and this is all just a matter of opinion anyway.

 

Anyway credit to Beth from Gals Guide to MMA for inspiring me to make thi

Poll
Who Will Be The Next TUF Winner To Be Cut?
Joe Stevenson
101 votes
Matt Serra
9 votes
James Wilks
75 votes
Nate Diaz
5 votes
Roy Nelson
6 votes
Other (please explain below)
9 votes

205 votes | Poll has closed

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 23, 2011 1:15 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I thought about Danzig, but looking at his record he’s now won two of his last three. He’s coming off a brutal KO of Joe Stevenson too. My feeling is he’ll have to do more than just lose his next match to get cut. I could be wrong though, I dunno.

by Chromium on Jun 23, 2011 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I imagine that Danzig will cut to Featherweight

I can’t see Danzig staying at Lightweight especially since I can’t see him beating any of the fighters that he has lost to, and I could see him making the cut to Featherweight, especially if he loses his next fight at Lightweight.

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by chrisbboy82 on Jun 23, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Danzig.

Some guys have other stuff going for them. Joe Stevenson is afforded the chance to lose 4 in a row, cause a lot of fans know him, he’s fought for a title ect…

Diaz has fought pretty tough competition his entire UFC Career, and he’s a well known fighter, so he’ll be around.

I think Wilks will be gone sooner then later. With the UFC growing, getting top flight fighters from the UK shouldn’t be that hard, so Wilks won’t really be considered a commodity for long.

Danzig, who KO’d Stevenson, isn’t a fan favorite, and rarely impresses

by Fedorable on Jun 23, 2011 1:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Keith Jardine was at least as big a fan favorite as Joe Stevenson, while fighting as tough a schedule as anyone out there, and he got cut after his fourth straight loss. (Rampage, Thiago Silva, Ryan Bader, Matt Hamill). I really don’t see it. Jens Pulver has been the only person in Zuffa history to get another shot after four straight losses, and the WEC really needed his star power. I’d be kind of shocked if they kept him around if he lost.

by Chromium on Jun 23, 2011 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your probably right, if he loses again, he’d got to be cut.

But I doubt Danzig would even be afforded the opportunity to lose 4 in a row… I think if he loses 3 he’s gone

by Fedorable on Jun 23, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, if he loses 2 in a row at this point I think he’s probably gone. He’d have to lose his next two though. He’s coming off of a win right now, and now has won 2 of this last 3. It’s why I decided ultimately not to put him in the poll.

by Chromium on Jun 23, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, it’s definitely a must win for him. However, I think he’ll get the win, and then the next fight can be lost without getting cut, IMO. I’m voting for Wilks. It may be a year from now, but he doesn’t have the upside or side benefits of being kept that the other fighters do.

by paythefighters on Jun 23, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since Danzig just pulled out of a fight due to injury

Stevenson if he loses. I think that the weight cut might be too much but then again I said that about Florian too.

by av1o3 on Jun 23, 2011 3:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, the most likely to be cut next is Stevenson

Because he is fighting soon and could lose.

But in general, I see Danzig and Wilks on thin ice.

Nobody said it, but you kind of got the feeling of Danzig losing 4 of his last 5 heading into the Stevenson fight, that the UFC brass was kind of wanting to give Stevenson a win and finally get rid of Danzig. But Danzig shocked everyone with a KO…so yeah, Stevenson is on his last chance, but Danzig didn’t earn a sh!t load of collateral with that KO.

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by Chris Groves on Jun 23, 2011 4:30 AM EDT reply actions  

this is honestly the first time i have seen or heard about James Wilks.
(i dont watch TUF)

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by New_User on Jun 23, 2011 4:38 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

It should be Wilks, i haven’t seen his game evolve much at all since he won TUF, and I just don’t see him being competitive with the young guns at WW like Story, PIerce, Hendricks, Kim, Ellenberger, or Johnson.

by dpk875 on Jun 23, 2011 7:33 AM EDT reply actions  

i would go with wilks

he doesnt rly evolve, hes not so exciting to watch, welterweight is a crowded division, and wilks isnt marketable. even in england.

he should be gone soon.

unless joe daddy loses to vazquez

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by DK_Monster on Jun 23, 2011 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Stevenson when he loses

Serra when he retires

Go Orange(men)!

by SUmonkey on Jun 23, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Stevenson and Wilks.

So close and yet so far. The story of my sports fandom.

by SSreporters on Jun 23, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Danzig is 4-4 in the UFC winning 2 of his last 3 (his "loss" was the early stoppage vs Wiman remember?)

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by RolloTomasi on Jun 23, 2011 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

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